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Friends in Lowe Places · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with her Radio. We're back with another week of the
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  Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcast. I'm Ben. Everybody out there listening, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's it's only best that we take the
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  Speaker 1: top into this podcast um for another week and just
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  Speaker 1: sit uh and say what if you months it's been
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  Speaker 1: I was just getting prepped for this tonight, Ashley, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting here going wow, since Quarantine, let's start. At
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  Speaker 1: Quarantine started, we went from a time of Tiger King
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  Speaker 1: and TikTok videos into uh what else became really popular.
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  Speaker 1: I just remember a ton of Tiger King talk for
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  Speaker 1: a long time, a lot of reruns. I watched the
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  Speaker 1: uh the nineteen Masters at one point and had a
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  Speaker 1: great time doing it. And now we've moved into a
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  Speaker 1: season of what feels like just a lot of learning
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of listening, at least for you and
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  Speaker 1: I and I know a lot of people out there
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  Speaker 1: are saying, Hey, we've been doing this forever. We've been
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  Speaker 1: advocating on behalf of black lives for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: We've been advocating for our friends whose voices get shut
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  Speaker 1: down in the masses for a long time, and and
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  Speaker 1: actually you and I've done that in part right, Like
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  Speaker 1: I spent a ton of my life in Central America,
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  Speaker 1: I work for I run a company generous that our
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  Speaker 1: only mission is to fight the injustice facing humans in
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  Speaker 1: this world. Yeah, the parts of this embarrassed me most
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  Speaker 1: about myself is and and admittedly is even in midst
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  Speaker 1: that being the mission, I've never stopped to focus on
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  Speaker 1: my neighbors next to me and my friends who are black,
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  Speaker 1: saying listen up, listen to me. I'm hurting. And that's
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  Speaker 1: why these last few weeks have been a lot of
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  Speaker 1: learning for me personally. I agree. It's like I said,
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  Speaker 1: last just completely opened my eyes and I just feel
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  Speaker 1: so stupid sometimes for not seeing what was definitely around me.
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  Speaker 1: This week is a podcast uh where were we will
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  Speaker 1: be talking about this topic. We will be talking about
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  Speaker 1: Black Lives matter. We will be interviewing people, especially within
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation, who has really spoken up on the topics. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And some opinions have been agreed upon by us and
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  Speaker 1: some have not, but we want to hear from them.
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  Speaker 1: This is what this podcast has always been. It's been
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  Speaker 1: a podcast to update people on what's going on in
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation, and we won't stop this week because once again,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like a broken record every dime I say it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how it happens. We haven't had new
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor content in a long time, yet Bachelor Nation has
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  Speaker 1: not stopped filling the news waves. Uh. Starting with a
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  Speaker 1: petition that's came out this week. UH. It's hashtag b
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  Speaker 1: I P O C Bachelor. The tag line is it's
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  Speaker 1: time We've seen multiple Bachelor franchise contestants uh participating this petition.
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  Speaker 1: UH and Uh it says forty season, eighteen years. One
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  Speaker 1: black lead, Rachel Lindsay has gone as far to say
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  Speaker 1: that she will exit the franchise if diversity issues aren't addressed.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what this petition is saying, is, Hey, uh,
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  Speaker 1: we need more diversity in the Bachelor. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I just think it's obvious, Like the numbers
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  Speaker 1: point to it. You've had thirty total seasons, one black,
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  Speaker 1: forty total seasons. Whatever it is, one black lead. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think anybody's gonna argue that The Bachelor couldn't do better.
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  Speaker 1: I will say that since I've been on the show,
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  Speaker 1: it has been something that I've heard producers talk about
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  Speaker 1: more and more and working on. I don't know the
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  Speaker 1: casting side of things. I don't know how that works.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the ins and outs of that. I'm
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  Speaker 1: very far removed from that, but I do know that
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  Speaker 1: it is something that the Bachelor franchise really is trying
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  Speaker 1: to focus on. But they could definitely do better. Right. Um.
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  Speaker 1: Rachel says it's embarrassing, honestly to be affiliated with the
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  Speaker 1: franchise at this point. Um, I think that there have
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  Speaker 1: been an increasing number of people of color in the cast.
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  Speaker 1: But she's right about the lead. I mean that that
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  Speaker 1: is a crazy statistics forty seasons one lead. Um. If
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  Speaker 1: you guys do want to sign this petition, you go
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  Speaker 1: to change dot org. And it's a long ago hill.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to read out for you guys, but
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  Speaker 1: if you go to change dot org and then you
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  Speaker 1: search a campaign for anti racism in the Bachelor franchise,
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  Speaker 1: you'll be able to sign it. So far, two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and people have signed it. They're trying to get yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and the number will just keep increasing. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's in everybody's best interest. Personally, I'm in favor
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  Speaker 1: of this. There's um and and even talking to the
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  Speaker 1: people who create aided the campaign. There's no like this
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  Speaker 1: is not to try to end the franchise. This petition
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  Speaker 1: was started to bring light to the the topics that
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  Speaker 1: the fans are kind of screaming at the Bachelor to say,
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  Speaker 1: we want to see people um from different backgrounds, who
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  Speaker 1: are different colors, who have different stories on this show.
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  Speaker 1: We're screaming at you now to say do it. And
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  Speaker 1: so that's where this petition started from. But it's all
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  Speaker 1: fans of the show that are signing it and people
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  Speaker 1: who will continue to watch the show. So we started
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  Speaker 1: with that in Rachel Lindsay sayingual exit. We also then
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  Speaker 1: move into Katherine, who is Sean's wife. Thought she was
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  Speaker 1: on the batchelor. She admitted to check a box as
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  Speaker 1: a Filipino woman. She admits this, and this is released
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  Speaker 1: uh in US magazine Ashley tell Us about it. So
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  Speaker 1: Catherine said, as Benjo said, when I was originally cast,
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  Speaker 1: I was very flattered, but somewhat grounded by the fact
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  Speaker 1: that I would be one of the faces that represented
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  Speaker 1: love color. I knew that one of the reasons I
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  Speaker 1: was probably that was one of the reasons I was
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  Speaker 1: probably chosen, was because I was Filipino. I counted myself
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  Speaker 1: out to be his fiance because of what I assumed
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  Speaker 1: Sean liked. I thought that I was just there to
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  Speaker 1: check a box, but the season ended with so much more.
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  Speaker 1: She also said, I became present with the process, and
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  Speaker 1: as he started noticing me for who I really was.
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  Speaker 1: I was allowed this experience to open myself up to
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  Speaker 1: the possibility of fully being loved and appreciated for all
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  Speaker 1: that I was, and I ended up getting to represent
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  Speaker 1: a mixed race community. This week has a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people have been called out. There's been confrontation, UM, there
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  Speaker 1: has been riots in protests, and then social media is
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  Speaker 1: also another platform that people are using to advocate on
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  Speaker 1: behalf of others or advocate their own views. And this week,
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  Speaker 1: Garrett You're going in as mentioned before, had posted on
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  Speaker 1: his Instagram a black box with the blue line through it,
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  Speaker 1: and Becca Martinez and UH came out against Garrett, saying
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  Speaker 1: it was in a sense not the good timing and
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  Speaker 1: not okay, UH so that we don't speak for Becca.
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  Speaker 1: We're actually gonna bring Becca on now UH to talk
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  Speaker 1: more about the Garrett situation and her thoughts and why
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  Speaker 1: she stood up in this. UH and with this environment
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  Speaker 1: to speak against Garrett publicly as promised. One of our favorites,
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  Speaker 1: Becka Martinez, is here with us on the almost from
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  Speaker 1: this podcast. Hello Becca, Hello, how are you guys? We're good,
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  Speaker 1: But Becca, I have some questions for you real quick
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  Speaker 1: before we jump into some of the topics that we
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  Speaker 1: brought you into. Uh, you're really close to your due date.
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  Speaker 1: You have a baby as we're recording right now, I'm
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  Speaker 1: ten days away, um from the could be tonight. Who knows.
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  Speaker 1: I have like a I feel like I have like
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  Speaker 1: a high school, middle school education on how babies are delivered. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I have like a wide grasp
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  Speaker 1: of what's about to happen. I do know that it's
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  Speaker 1: incredibly impressive whatever you're about to do. My question really is,
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  Speaker 1: as you get this close, what's the emotion like I
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  Speaker 1: would be scared, like to death about the idea of
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  Speaker 1: pushing a human being out of any hole in my body. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's so fair. That is so fair, honestly. Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: the first time around, you know, I didn't know what
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  Speaker 1: I was getting myself into. And I'm someone who really
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  Speaker 1: likes a challenge. I mean, I did kind of know,
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  Speaker 1: I was doing so much research, watching so many videos
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  Speaker 1: of other people doing it, reading so many stories and
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  Speaker 1: podcasts all that. So I was excited because I like
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  Speaker 1: a challenge, and I was you know, my mindset has
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  Speaker 1: always sort of been like, hey, you know, why do
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  Speaker 1: people do marathons. It's because it's fun to challenge and
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  Speaker 1: push yourself, like to your physical limits. Right. So that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of the way that I've always looked at it.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, and that can answer some people's questions of
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  Speaker 1: like why do an unmedicated birth? And so I was
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  Speaker 1: stoked because I was like, who knows what this is
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  Speaker 1: gonna be like for me? It's different for every person.
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  Speaker 1: How am I going to handle it? How am I
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  Speaker 1: going to respond? Um? And it gives great experience overall,
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  Speaker 1: pretty cool. Anyone can go watch my birth story on
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  Speaker 1: YouTube or my Instagram or to listen to my podcast
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  Speaker 1: Chatty Broads about it. But um, this time around, I
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  Speaker 1: do know what's coming. So I have to say that
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  Speaker 1: this time I'm a little more nervous because I'm like, oh, like,
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  Speaker 1: I know, this isn't a walk in the park. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I I personally think that a lot of your mindset
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  Speaker 1: and mental game can change a lot of how you
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  Speaker 1: experience things, and like, I didn't think that the whole
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  Speaker 1: experience was excruciating. However, it's hard work. Like no matter
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  Speaker 1: what your experience is like, whether it's excrucia, eating or
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  Speaker 1: just like joyful and ecstatic, it's hard work. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: very aware of that going into it, and I'm kind
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  Speaker 1: of like, all right, here we go. But honestly, the
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  Speaker 1: thing that I get most nervous about, like and I
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  Speaker 1: did the first time and this time, is the reality
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  Speaker 1: starts hitting that you are bringing a whole new human
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  Speaker 1: in the world that you have to take care of,
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  Speaker 1: and that should like birth is you know, maybe at most,
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  Speaker 1: at most forty eight hours, and then a child is forever.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the part that that I really feel some
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  Speaker 1: type of way about is like, oh man, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: It's a it's a new person in my life and
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  Speaker 1: a new person that I have a responsibility to take
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  Speaker 1: care of and educating all these different things. So I
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  Speaker 1: guess I have one more question before we move on
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  Speaker 1: to other things. You're having another You're having another at
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  Speaker 1: home birth? Did you do at home last time? I didn't, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but you didn't a birth center so kind of center. Okay, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I always encourage people in birth centers because it's a
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  Speaker 1: great in between if you don't feel quite comfortable giving
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  Speaker 1: birth at home, but maybe don't feel super comfortable in
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  Speaker 1: hospital environment. So, um, the birth center was great. The
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  Speaker 1: benefit I feel super confident going into this birth. The
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  Speaker 1: benefit is I don't have to drive anywhere or be
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  Speaker 1: in the car anywhere in labor, and in l A especially,
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  Speaker 1: that is a huge, huge benefit because laboring in the
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  Speaker 1: car isn't fun. So yeah, we're gonna be at home
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  Speaker 1: here in Long Beach is does somebody come and help you?
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  Speaker 1: The midwife? Yeah? So yeah, I do personally don't advocate
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  Speaker 1: for unassisted births, but a midwife has basically the exact
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  Speaker 1: same qualifications, if not a little bit better suited towards
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  Speaker 1: a low risk, uncomplicated pregnancy as uh an O, B
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  Speaker 1: G Y. And there are different types of midwives too.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, yes, why do why at home? Truly because
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  Speaker 1: of the traffic? Uh? I mean like versus a birth
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  Speaker 1: center versus the hospital? Yeah, versus a birth center like
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  Speaker 1: last time, Um, well we also moved to and so
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be the same birth center and same midwife
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  Speaker 1: this time. I mean, we have a home now, and
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  Speaker 1: so it's really comfortable and and uh, for a lot
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  Speaker 1: of women, like their labor can be a lot more
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  Speaker 1: comfortable and progress a lot faster if they're in an
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  Speaker 1: environment where they're comfortable with. I mean, I'm sure Jade
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  Speaker 1: knows all about that. But but yeah, so, I mean
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  Speaker 1: we've got the whole set, We've got the birth tub
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  Speaker 1: here ready to go, all that kind of thing, so
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  Speaker 1: it'll be interesting. Yeah, I'm so intrigued. Hey, thanks for
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  Speaker 1: sharing that, because I could spend about another four hours
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  Speaker 1: asking you questions about being a mom. But come on
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  Speaker 1: and chat about it after I do this round and
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  Speaker 1: we'll see how that person goes. That's really great. Um, well, Becca,
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  Speaker 1: you have a lot going on in your life as
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  Speaker 1: as usual. I was I was prepping for the podcast,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, when it comes down to
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  Speaker 1: issues of social justice, civil justice, any type of justice,
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  Speaker 1: um that is is sometimes blinded to me. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: and that's been something that I've I've had to share,
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  Speaker 1: is like some of this I've been blinded to, and
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  Speaker 1: being in this world brings me brings light to attentions
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  Speaker 1: that I have never even thought of I was thinking,
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  Speaker 1: how do I confront Becca because I feel like, if
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  Speaker 1: I'm always if I've ever questioned, I'm gonna lean on
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  Speaker 1: what she's saying because I feel like she's going to
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  Speaker 1: be passionate about it and probably speaking truth somehow, some way.
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  Speaker 1: And then it didn't stop you for advocating and speaking
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  Speaker 1: up on UM, the current and and hopefully not trendy
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  Speaker 1: issue of black lives matter. Hopefully this is a long
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  Speaker 1: lasting issue that I know you and I and and
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  Speaker 1: actually really want this to be something that is advocated for, uh,
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  Speaker 1: for the entirety of our lives. But you responded openly
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  Speaker 1: to Garrett's post, Why you know? That's a good question.
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  Speaker 1: And I've been reflecting on it on the past couple
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  Speaker 1: of days, and look, here's what I'm wanna say. Do
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  Speaker 1: I disagree with anything that I said or do it?
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  Speaker 1: Did I think I said anything wrong? No, what I've
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  Speaker 1: really been reflecting on though I saw a I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if it was a tweet from somebody or what
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  Speaker 1: it was UM. For listeners who don't know, tone policing
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  Speaker 1: is a term that's used when, um, you know, if
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  Speaker 1: a black person is talking about let's say, black lives matter,
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  Speaker 1: and someone says like, hey, maybe if you said this nicer,
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  Speaker 1: more people would listen. The idea behind tone policing is
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  Speaker 1: that black people do not owe anybody the They don't
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  Speaker 1: have the obligation or the responsibility to police their tone
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  Speaker 1: to make their message more palatable to white listeners. But
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  Speaker 1: somebody tweeted and said, on the other hand, though, it's
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  Speaker 1: a white person's responsibility to police their tone so that
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  Speaker 1: other white people will hear them, and and uh and
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  Speaker 1: I read that in the past year, so and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, huh, I really need to reflect on that,
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  Speaker 1: and reflect on how maybe sometimes I do need to
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  Speaker 1: censor myself in order to reach more people instead of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, shutting out the fifteen thousand people that decided
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  Speaker 1: to leave my platform after posting some of the stuff
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  Speaker 1: I posted on my page and so and so, you know, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: the simple answer is my reaction when I think something's
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  Speaker 1: up is I've got to say something about this, Like,
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  Speaker 1: how is no one else said how am I seeing
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  Speaker 1: no other bachelor person say anything about this under this post?
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  Speaker 1: How is no one calling this person out? Well? Should
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  Speaker 1: we take the time to read the statement? Now? Yeah? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So Garrett posted this on the same day as the blackout,
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  Speaker 1: on Tuesday, the day after the day after after Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so he said, you know the black square with a
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  Speaker 1: blue line through it, And he said in the caption,
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  Speaker 1: I've been pretty torn up the past week about everything
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  Speaker 1: going on. I've listened, learned, helped, supported, and grown with
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  Speaker 1: so many friends and family and law enforcement. I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: sit back and not support them. Um In the hundreds
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  Speaker 1: of thousands of women and men of all races that
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  Speaker 1: represent this thin blue line as well, it's important for
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  Speaker 1: me to recognize the ones who stand in the gap
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  Speaker 1: and put their lives on the line each in, every
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  Speaker 1: single day for humans of different race and ethnicity, including
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  Speaker 1: those who hate them. The thin blue line represents each
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  Speaker 1: officer protecting protesters, properties and businesses while being threatened, attacked, shot,
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  Speaker 1: shot at with, hit with vehicles, and other forms of brutality.
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  Speaker 1: There have been over three hundred injured, shot and killed
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  Speaker 1: in just one week. They are suffering the consequences over
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  Speaker 1: an act that they didn't commit. They continue to put
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  Speaker 1: in overtime away from their families, stay silent while being threatened, hated,
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  Speaker 1: and assaulted. We can't judge in a dia a group
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  Speaker 1: of people by the actions of a few. We can't
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  Speaker 1: judge peaceful protesters by the actions of a few violent protesters,
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  Speaker 1: and we can't judge all cops by the actions of
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  Speaker 1: a few bad ones. Remember when they put on the badge,
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  Speaker 1: they're still humans with raw emotion um and the more
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  Speaker 1: brutality they face, the more on edge they become. They
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  Speaker 1: make mistakes, they have compassion, and no matter how terrible
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  Speaker 1: they are treated, or whatever negative is said about them,
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  Speaker 1: they still show up for us when we need them.
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  Speaker 1: Remember these men and women who hold this thin blue line,
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  Speaker 1: their strangers, friends, family, neighbors, or your enemies, they will
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  Speaker 1: always be protecting us, no matter what hashtag than blue line,
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  Speaker 1: hashtag anti racism, and hashtag anti brutality. I think there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot to go. I mean, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: subtexts about this post too. That's like, so beyond some
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  Speaker 1: of the simple I mean, some of the things I
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  Speaker 1: can directly bring up is like, hey, let's look at
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  Speaker 1: the first two sentences, which are about like how he's listened, learned,
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  Speaker 1: helped support it, and ground so immediately he centering himself
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  Speaker 1: in this post. And what bothers me so much about
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  Speaker 1: this is the silence on black lives, the black square
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  Speaker 1: with the few emojis. It's almost better to not say
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  Speaker 1: it at all, in my in my opinion, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: because when you're doing that, I find it personally, especially
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  Speaker 1: if you're going on to write a full on dissertation
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  Speaker 1: about the police, you are sort of trying to absolve
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  Speaker 1: yourself of this responsibility of like, yeah, I held space
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  Speaker 1: and I posted this black square, and my work here
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  Speaker 1: is done. UM, and it's to me, it's more of
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  Speaker 1: like a pr move. I don't see how that's providing
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  Speaker 1: any actual solidarity. And like I saw a tweet of
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: someone saying, like, how are you going to be silent
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: for blackout Tuesday? Or how are you going to say
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: you're staying silent when you've always stayed silent? H And
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: so the issue I'm gonna I gotta say this, like
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I am not anti law enforcement. I understand how scary
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I'm sure this past week has been for people who
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: are UM first responders, for people who UM have family
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: members or loved ones who are cops. Tensions are very
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: high right now in this country. And I completely understand
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: um that fear. And I can totally empathize with how
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: scary it must be right now. The issue that I
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: have is is that the reason the reason that that
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: is the case and why these tensions are high is
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: because finally people are waking up to the police brutality up. Cops,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: even if they are the bad apples, are not have
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: not been held accountable for. And when you don't say
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: anything about black lives, and then especially on a huge
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: platform like Garrett has, you're taking up space to speak
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: about something. If I'm I'm I'm saying this right, but
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: it's almost like the con the subtext is yes, but
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: and and and I don't know, that's just it's it's
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I find that to be a really big issue because
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: and and some of the other things he's just saying
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: as post, Like you know, it's it's not about not
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: all cops, basically is what he's saying. And and you
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: know they have issues too, and it's like it's not
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: just about the or two openly racist cops. Like the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: issue is this system. We're over and over again police
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: officers are not being held accountable by our justice systems
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: for the crimes that they're perpetrating because of a flawed
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: system like this, this goes so beyond the whole few
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: it's just a few bad apples argument. And I'm sure
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: people have seen, you know, there was that video that
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: went viral of those two cops pushing this old white
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: man to the ground, and how those two officers got suspended,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and then all fifty seven of the people, like of
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the other police officers that they worked with, suspended themselves
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: in protest of the two cops suspension. And it's like,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: there there are issues here that go so beyond just
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: one black man being murdered. And I'm sure people have
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: been seeing all the other names and all these other
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: instances for police officers haven't been accountable. It's not about
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: hating cops. But when you take this time to basically
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: express like blue lives matter, which was the subtext of
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: his post, you're comparing someone's experience in their chosen career
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to someone's experience of being black. And while I'm not
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: saying that they don't deserve to be safe or they
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: don't deserve to be respected because it's a chosen career,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying, don't compare
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: it to the experience of someone's color that they don't
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: get to choose anyway he's do you think that he's
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: he didn't you think that he's insinuating that he's not
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: saying in blatantly though in the yeah, no, no no, no,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: where did he explicitly say blue lives matter. But that's
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. The subtext of this is and yes,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: but yes, but cops um when nothing was said in
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the first place about black lives. And what really bothered
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: me is a lot of people are saying, like, what
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: if you have a brother, what if you have a husband, etcetera, etcetera.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: He's a police officer, And what I want to say is,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: for one, that issue of like you have to imagine
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: someone in proximity to you in order to value their life.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I already kind of take issue with that. What if
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: you had a brother, or a father, or a husband
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: who was black, who experienced police brutality, Like, wouldn't you
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: be upset about people detracting from this moment when we're
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: trying to bring awareness to the oppression that black people
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: facing our country by making it about this group of
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: people doing the oppression. No, not all of them are oppressing.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but you know, they think critically
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: about about what I just said. I you know, Beck,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: it's it's I'm under the impression. I don't think and
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I don't want to speak for Gear. We gotta get
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: him on here hopefully or something. But like, I don't
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: think he wrote this with ill intent. Yeah, intent doesn't
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: doesn't really a RaSE impact though exactly. And so my
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: and I'm saying this to say this because I'm I'm
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: trying to prove a point. So we you've heard it
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: obviously both sides now, I'm sure, and I want to
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: hear from you in a second what the reaction has
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: been to this. But if we all were saying is hey,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: black lives matter, like that they matter, And I think
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: most people, no matter what your religious political background would be,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: would go, yes, black lives matter, hopefully like I don't know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's below that. I don't know what
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: else you you would say, like, um, I I spoke
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: with a friend of mine last night and and he's
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: a he's a black man, he said. The one thing
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: we gotta be careful of is when these situations of
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: high tension come up, it's easy for us in this
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: culture in this world to want to distract away from
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: it as quickly as possible, to try to be with
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: good And that's why I said, with good intent, with
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: good intent to be inclusive to the masses. But what
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: you do is distract from the message. We've done that
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: over and over again, and so that's why I started
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: with I don't think it's bad intent. I do think
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: it's distracting from the message. And my whole point of
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: this is black men and women right now, like and
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: for hopefully, like we said, forever, the stage is yours,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: like it's always like we need like this is not
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: we cannot distract from this, like this message needs to
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: be talked, preached and yelled. So back to you is
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: what has the reaction been. Well, I actually just wanted
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: to peekyback off that and just add one more thing too.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: And I think that it's also important to know. I've
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: seen a lot of people saying like, well, don't speak
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: on this because you weren't black, or I don't have
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: anything to say because I'm not black. Well, you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Garrett isn't a cop, so but he can still empathize
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: with that experience, you know, like you don't have to
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: be something to be able to speak on it. People
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: have been talking about these variences of doctors and nurses
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: during COVID, like and nobody says like, are you a
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: doctor or a nurse? Can you speak to how hard
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: their experiences? Like what if we start applying that logically
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: to other areas, Like that's absurd, right, Like you don't
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: have to experience something directly to empathize or to speak
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: out about it. So so I just wanted to to
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: add that on come into solidarity with it, like to
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: come to try to try our best yet to support Yeah,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: you know, it's hard because like I was saying in
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the beginning. Um, then I went on my own page
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: and posted some that I felt like my post itself
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: like I made myself very clear what I was saying,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: and then I also included a very inflammatory photo which
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: now looking back on it, I'm like, did I have
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: to know? Probably not, Like do I do I like
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: disagree with it? No? But did that maybe make people
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: tune out when they needed to be tuning in? Yeah,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: and like go back to what you're talking about with
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: tone police, right, Maybe I need to I not, Maybe
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I know I need to work on policing my tone
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: to reach more people and there and it's it takes judgment, right,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: and it takes learning, because there's a time to speak
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: up and say no, this is gonna piss you off,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: but I'm going to fucking say it. And you know,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of people and someone who's just telling me today,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: you know, like Hannah Brown, she lost more followers with
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: her response, and she did when she said the N word.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Thank you for bringing that up, because I was I
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: was just going to bring that up. I was just
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: gonna bring that up. There is a website out there
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that tracks followers, how many gain, how many lose, your stats,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: all that stuff. In the two weeks that Hannah, you know,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: was silent after saying the N word. She she I
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: don't know the number that she lost, but I do
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: know that in the weekend of her apology, the long
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: twenty minute one, she lost more followers after that apology,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: and I am called. I've been repeating the stat to
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: like anybody who will listen over the past couple of
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: days because it is so mind boggling to me. But
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: it says it all like that's all I don't even have.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: There's so much it avoids over explaining certain things because
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: like with that's that it just says everything. Yeah, the
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: same thing happened, I guess um. I mean that that,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: like example, between those two of the lots of followers
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: is so says so much. But even other people, like
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I guess um, someone was just telling me today that
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Maddie Kruett has been going to protests and like speaking
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: out and she also has lost a substantial amount of followers.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: So you know, there's a time in place to be
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: like it and if you're going to tune out right now,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: like that says a lot more about you than it
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: says a lot about me. I don't think that was
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: exactly the case with with um, with my with my
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: post um. But you know what I'm still seeing though,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: is a lot of people who are missing the point.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: So then I went on my page and I posted
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: my my own post, and I was basically talking specifically
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: about Blue Lives Matter, um, because I also knew that. Uh.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I also knew that Garrett had, based on his Instagram
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: likes and stuff, supported Blue Lives Matter before. And I'm
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: willing to bet, yes, this is an assumption percent willing
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: to bet that he supports the Blue Lives Matter movement,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: which is in direct opposition was created in the direct
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: opposition of the Black Lives Matter movement. Um. But I
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: was just basically posting about how you know, being you
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: can't say blue lives because no one has a blue life.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: This is just the basic of my argument. You no
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: one has a blue life. Being black isn't in uniform
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you get to remove at the end of day. It's
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: not something to get paid for. It's not something you
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: can quit or retire from. It definitely isn't something that
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: protects you from the justice system, all of which are true.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: For police officers, Yes, their jobs are very hard, and
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I completely like, I don't know how many times I
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: can say like I do not. I am not anti
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: law enforcement, and I support the people in law enforcement,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: but just as much I support the accountability of people
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: in law enforcement and making any move possible to eliminate
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: and hold accountable UM police brutality anyway. So, I mean,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I just saw a lot of people missing the point
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: and being like, well, I hope you never have to
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I hope you never have to call the cops because
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: this is what you think of them. And I'm like, actually,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: if you read through everything I wrote. Never once did
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I say I was in opposition two cops. And I
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: also got a lot of messages and comments too from
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: people who said, my father or brother or grandfather, whoever
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: sister is a law enforcement officer, and I agree with
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: this message and they do as well. Um, we and
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: we do not support the Blue Lives Matter of movement
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: because for so many, so many reasons. So it's like,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I've just been it's been disheartening to
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: see people twist it into kind of their there, into
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the message they want it to be, so that they
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: can hate it. Can I make an assumption another assumption here,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: saying blue lives matter is kind of the same these
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: days as saying all lives matter. Okay, I think so.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure people will disagree, but I think
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: so because because being as again like Ben was saying,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: what is it doing? The purpose of it is too
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: distract and detract whether or not that's the individual's intent
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: from the Black Lives Matter movement, which is what we
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: need to be focusing on right now and continuing to
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: focus on. I do want to make clear that we
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: did ask character come on here. He couldn't today, I
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: we want to show both sides to this, and um.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Becca Kouferin, of course, his fiance, said on Friday on Instagram,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: many conversations are being had between friends, family members, Garrett,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: and podcast crew alike. Because I'm silent on my Instagram
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: right now doesn't mean that I'm silent in my life.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Have you and Becca spoken? So Becca actually reached out
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: to me this morning and she asked we could talk
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: on the phone this week, and I said, like, yeah, absolutely,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: and I just and I messaged her and I just said,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: um uh, I said totally. And and with that, I said,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I just want to be clear, um, I said, I
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: want to be fully transparent and let you know that
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I don't feel any kind of allegiance or obligation to
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: caudle any of my friends partners on our offline. But
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: that being said, I see people's partners of separate entities,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: and I don't associate their partner's views or attitudes with
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: them necessarily, And so I just wanted to let her
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: know that upfront, and I'm looking forward to chatting with her,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: but I just wanted to like, I mean, it's not
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: really it's I don't it's it's not like I mean,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I know Garrett posted his whole story to like you're
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: not invited over anymore and all that, but that's what
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I was going to ask, so like you're now not invited.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, Becca's Becca's Garrett and Garrett's Garrett.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I I love Becca and I have a lot of
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: respect for her, and I'm really, by the way, looking
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: forward to her episode chatting with Rachel about this um
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: and Garrett is Garrett. I don't particularly like Garrett. I'm
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: not interested in having to dinner with them, and I
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: do hope that. I mean, it doesn't affect my relationship
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: with Becca, just to be totally honest, I mean, and
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: she knows this too. It's not like we've been super
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: close the past year or so, not for any particular reason,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: but that's just kind of how that goes. But I
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: do think there is a little bit of a misconception
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: to in Bachelor, quote Bachelor Nation, or like in the
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Bachelor Family that like someone you were on both on
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor, like you are friends or like you should
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: met because people were like, oh, you should have messaged
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Garrett privately, and I'm like, well, I don't know Garrett
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: and he's posting this publicly, and I think it's fine
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: to also respond to it publicly. And I don't know,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I I and I just see that that kind of way.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: In general. I think it's a little different when you're
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: close friends with someone, but like in the case of
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Hannah Bran too, when someone has a very large public
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: platform that they profit off of and spread messages from,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's totally fine for them also to be
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: held accountable on those public platforms by other people in
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: public positions. Anyway, Well, Becca, thanks for coming on this
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: platform and talking with us. I'm sorry. I feel like
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of that was kind of like disjointed and
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: my head's kind of been a jump just talking about
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: this on the podcast the past couple of hours, and
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I'm sure I could have been a lot more clear
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: and concise. But thank you so much for having me
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: on Where Else can People Find You? Uh? And what like,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: what's your podcast called? Where Can They Find You? Yeah?
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: So podcast is Chatty Broad's and um so Tuesday, uh,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Tuesday the ninth, we will be relea seeing an episode
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: kind of talking about everything that's gone down in Bachelor Nation,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: um of the past week. In the week of George
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Floyd's murder, so Chatty Broad's UM and then of course
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Instagram to uh, there's always a lot going on there
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: and the baby's coming soon. I want to wrap this
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: up by saying that you made a thousand dollar donation
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: to the National Police Accountability Project in Garrett's name. Can
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: you talk a little bit more about this? Yeah, I
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: mean so he called me. He screenshotted my comment on
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: apparently he blocked Nick, which he hasn't blocked me, so
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I'm insulted by that. Um. Instead of blocking me, he
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: screenshotted my comment, and I wrote this thing on his
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: story saying like, remember when you told Becca you loved
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: me and and and you were sorry for everything you
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: said about me, Like it turns out you never got
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: to know me and you're not invited over whatever whatever.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: And then I responded back to him in our d
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: M s and our private DM and I just said
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't say that. I said sorry for giving you
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: so much because at the time I thought cared and
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think you do anymore. Anyway, He's screenshotting that
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: and then put that on his story, to which I'm like,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know why you did that because you didn't
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: really make you look any better and you just now
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I don't have to say anything because you did the
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: work for me. But I was like, do I post
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: about this? And I'm like, no, that this is that.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can be pretty competti, but I was like,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's actually accomplishing anything. And that's another thing.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Like Garrett had the time to talk about me on
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: his stories. We didn't have a time to talk about
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: black lives matter on his story, so that's all the
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: same on that. But I was like, Okay, how can
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I be petty and productive at the same time. Oh,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I'll just do a donation to the Police Accountability Fund
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: in his name. And I didn't and you could see
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: it in really small letters, but I think a lot
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: of people still caught on and I had fun with
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: it and was it petty, yes, But I also got
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of screenshots from people also donating to the
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Police Accountability Fund after, so that was kind of fun
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: cool way. So that's how I'm That's how I'm going
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: to be doing my pettiness, moving for the productive, trying
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: to be more productively petty productive pettiness beca Martinez. Thanks
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: for coming on the Almost This podcast. You're the best
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you soon. Good luck this week
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: for you by and just want to refer back to
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: what Becca and I were talking about about Hannah's social following.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't do the research on it. I read an article,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: so because I haven't looked at the numbers myself and
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: done the math, I don't want to say that has
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: um lost that many followers in the periods of time
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: that I refer to, But it is on social blade
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: dot com. If you can, you can do the math yourself.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: It's wild, Ashley, I never even knew this stuff existed.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: As you two were talking, I was looking on my
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Instagram to see what's going on in my stuff this week. Uh,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: it's been an enormous amount of people that have unfollowed me.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what that says. Let's say
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: that FOS this week. Yeah, I don't. I don't know
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: what that says. I don't think it says anything good.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not mad about it. I think I've
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: asked people who are are not going to support the
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: lives of black men and women across the world to unfoled.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: It's not really people that I want following me in
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the first place. But I didn't realize it was going
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: to be this many, this many people felt that way.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I'm boggled, truly, mind boggled. Alright, Ash, well,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: let's take a break here. When we come back, we're
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: an interview some of Shan Lowe's past contestants uh and
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: uh and hear what they think of their season re
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: airing on ABC. So you guys know that in uh January,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: we had a really cool event. It was our almost
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: famous podcast live in San Francisco, so many of you
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: came out and it encouraged us to want to do
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: it in far more cities across the country. But because
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: of COVID, we won't be able to do that this year,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: so we're gonna do something else. Um adapting to the times,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: We're gonna do a live virtual podcast so we can
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: have a live audience but still say stay still, say still,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: stay safe. We're gonna do it on June twenty two,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna do it from four to five Pacific time.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: It's kind of happy our time, So grab a glass
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: of wine and talk Bachelor with with us. Ben tell
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: them where they can get tickets and how much it
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: costs and how how we're gonna do this deally, Yeah,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: this is a big deal. We're super bund that we
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: already able to get out with you all this year.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: We really wanted to, as actually mentioned, So if you're
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: interested in this once again this June from four to
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: five pm Pacific time. Ticket price is nine dollars and
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: ninety nine. Since that's nine, its nine nine tents to
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: hang out with Ashley and I uh, I'll pay for
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: a ticket just to hang out with you, Ashley. So
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: that's the deal I'm gonna make. I'm gonna buy a ticket,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: so I'm like everybody else if we're gonna ask our
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: fans to buy tickets, I'm gonna buy a ticket as well,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: just to be able to hear your voice and see
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: your face live and in person. Here's the ticket leak.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: You can go to www dot c y A dot
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: live slash event slash to one seven two. The c
• 40:32
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• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Netflix Party. We will be able to chat live with you.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: We'll have a cool celebrity guest and a live question
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: answer just like our live shows. It's gonna be great.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: It's hey, what else are you gonna be doing? Come
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: join us June two from four to five p m
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: once again. The link is www dot c y a
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: dot live slash event slash two one seven to We'll
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: see you there and we will be probably talking about
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: one of the Bachelor the greatest seasons ever? Is that
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: what it's called? Because I just want to call it
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Bachelor's Greatest Hits? Can I on this podcast going forward
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: for the next time weeks just call it Bachelor's Greatest Hits?
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: It just rolls off my tongue better. Okay, great, So
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: we'll be talking about that there and after this break,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: we are going to be talking to some of the
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: girls from Sean Low season, which we got to revisit
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: last night. Um, and it'll it'll be cool to see
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: where they are today seven years later. I'm blown away,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: blown away that we get this opportunity to reconnect with
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: some of the people that I grew up watching in college,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: some of my after I vividly remember watching this in
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: grad school. It was one of the last seasons that
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I watched before being in the casting process myself. So
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I remember all my friends been like, would you ever
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: sign up for this, and then being like, yeah, I
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: definitely would, and then being inspired by this and does
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: this season and being like, Okay, I'm gonna send it in. Well,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: take a break, Ashley, and our dreams will come true. Uh.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Talking to some of our Bachelor favorites right after this.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: You know what, Actually I talked about it at the
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: beginning of the podcast. Right now, the Bachelor is coming
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: out with new content and it's Ashley, what are you
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: calling it? I'm calling it The Bachelor's Greatest Hits. Well,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor's Greatest Hits starts tonight, and as you just
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: heard the adorable laugh of Ashley Frazier, we have her
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: on the podcast today. Hello Ashley, Hello everybody. How are you?
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: We're good? How are you pretty good? Just you know,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: living life after So how weird was it to rewatch
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: your season and have it aired to the public again
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: when Bachelor Nation is bigger than ever and certain more
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: vocal than ever. Yeah, definitely. I think it's It's an
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: interesting time. I think it comes at a good time
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: because it was a good time to beyond Bachelor, you know,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: because it wasn't everyone wasn't invested in social media, and
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: so people's minds were set a little different than and
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: you didn't have this like, oh, well, whatever, when I
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: get home, I'm going to be Instagram famous, you know
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: So I think that that kind of gives you. Um,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just a little different way to
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: think about it, you know. So, But a lot of
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: people have been reaching out and wondering how I feel
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: about a lot of things that happened on the show
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: now that it's been I didn't even know how many years,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: you know, So it's interesting seven years have been seven years,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: you're a runner up on Shawn's season season and now
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: you are happily married, you have your second child on
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the way. But is it weird to have this older
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: love story airing now when you're married? Like, what does
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: your husband think of all this? He actually, he's surprised
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: me because we don't really talk about it too much
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: unless someone else brings it up or is watching and
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: ask questions. But she was kind of like, oh, this
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: is pretty cool. Like I think he's he realizes it's
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: been so many years as part of our lives behind
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: the scenes, so now for it to be on. He's
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: actually a really good supportive about it. I thought he
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: was gonna be kind of weird at out, because I'm
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: pretty sure I would be weird about But then again,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: it's so long ago too, so I don't know. Is
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: he gonna watch it. I don't know. I need to
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: ask him. He's at work right now, but I was
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: wondering the same thing earlier. I have to ask, Hey,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: might I don't think they're going to show the entire thing,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: so um, I'm sure he'll watch. He'll tune in on
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: some of it. He'll probably give me a hard time
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: about some of it too. Well, Jessica, my fiance has
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: zero interest in watching my season, and I don't blame her,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: like zero interest. Well, and a part of it is like, hey,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I just think it's unhealthy a little bit weird to
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: see a proposal to somebody else when you're in planning
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: on your wedding. But it is always that interesting dynamic
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: of kind of are you intrigued are you not intrigued?
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: So back to you, though, are you intrigued to watch it?
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I am, because there's a lot of things that I
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: don't remember, and so I kind of want to know, like, oh,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: how is that again? Or you know, what really happened? Um,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: because I didn't really watch a lot of my season
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: because at that point when it aired, I was still
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: so emotional about everything that it was hard, and so
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: now out it seems like it's almost almost like it
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: wasn't me in that space, and so now I'm like, oh,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I come from a totally different way of looking at it,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Yeah, you know, what, is there
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: any particular moment in the season that you'd be not
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: excited to watch back? Oh? Yeah, there there's some romantic moments,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: And I know that they're gonna be airing some parts that,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: um is that are unseen footage, and so I'm interested
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: to see what that is. You know. But what people
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: don't realize is they had they had me cast as
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: like a serious girl, like mother of the house type person.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: But we had a lot of fun and we giggled
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: and left and it was a lot more fun than
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: was ever aired. And so I hope that they maybe
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: show some of those parts too. I doubt it, but
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: they make you know, they may so. Yeah, asked as
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: somebody who's seen the you know, the whatever whatever we
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: call them, a screener, Um, I feel like that's the
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: only thing I'm disappointed in is that we didn't get
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of things that we've never seen before.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I think this was a great opportunity to use like
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: funny scenes of the girls bonding or yeah, yeah, you know,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: like those those moments that you when you watch your season,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, I can't believe they didn't
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: make that into the final cut. We didn't get that.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it will be different for the
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: follow for the you know, following couple of weeks, but
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: that was my only complaint about it. Yeah, yeah, that
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: would be really good. And I think the audience wants
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: to know that too, because they ask a lot of
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: questions that throughout all these years, they've asked questions of
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: the behind the scenes or what didn't we see or
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: what was your best part? What was your best memory?
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: And so it'd be nice to see other parts as well.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Added in, I mean, they could probably do a whole
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: new show with the season, right. Yeah. And then with Catherine,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: she was like the most dark horse winner. That's probably
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: one thing that people say to me. One of the
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: top ten things people say is I saw that for nowhere,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: because that came in from nowhere, So I thought this
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: would have been a great opportunity for them to show
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: their chemistry before the Top four, because I think that's
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: when it started to become more clear to us as
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: an audience that she was somebody that really had Sean's attention.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, no, they can kind of
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: show us the depth that they had going into that.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: But we didn't get that either, which you know, bummed
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: me out or maybe my memory doesn't serve me well.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: And these were additional scenes that we've never seen, but
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: there was nothing that really added to the story. Yeah, yeah,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I totally agree, and I would actually like to see
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: that too, because obviously I was invested in my season,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: you know, and um, while I do believe he absolutely
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: made the right choice for him, um, I just I
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: still love the love story even if I wasn't the one,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: you know, So it would be nice to see. Yeah,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: m hm. That brings me to the you know kind
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: of our final question, did you being in the season
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: yourself knowing now eight years later it's gonna be played back?
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: What about desire being the Bachelor at was that a shocker?
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Because I think, again I get that question a lot
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: of desert being the Bachelor. That was a shocker. Yeah,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: it wasn't because I knew Lindsay wasn't interested, and then
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: when we had talked about it, at first I was,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: and then I kind of backed out of it because
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I felt, um, I think it was a mutual agreement,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: but I felt like my husband wasn't there, and I
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: had several conversations with people, with production people and just
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: feeling like that wasn't my direction. As much as someone
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: would want to do that, it's not for everybody. And
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: what makes that decision hard is, you know, the whole
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: final after the final Rose, when Sean had told me
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: whatever he said about his feelings, well, all I kept
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: replaying in my head was, gosh, what if I got
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: caught up like that too, and then I accidentally tell somebody,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: or I start to have feelings for two people or
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: three people and I say the wrong thing and I
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: hurt somebody, Or what if I had to play along
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: and keep somebody that I'm completely not interested in, but
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: I have to have seventeen people, or I have to
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: have ten people. And so I just, deep down inside
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I felt like I didn't know how well I could
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: play along with that, And so that kind of made
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: the decision what it is. But as far as desire,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: you know, people people are pretty shocked because they were
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: you know, I think everyone tells whomever they're in front of, oh,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: you're my favorite. You know, when you're in public, they're like, oh, Ashley, ah,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: you're my You're the best. And then Ben, you're the
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: best bachelor theyre ever was you know, people tell you
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: that to your face, and so I've always heard like,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: I wish you would have been it, and so I
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: don't know. I think she was good and I'm at
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, she looks, she's married, she's happy,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: she kind of family, and so it was right for her. Definitely. Yeah,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: they say it to your face, they say you're the
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: best bachelor ever. They turn around, they go, yeah, right,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: we have so many better. You're kind of saying that.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: You feel like because you and Lindsay didn't want it,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: that like des was defaulted the bachelor. I don't know,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: to be honest, because you don't. I don't. I never
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: got back story on it, um and I've never actually
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: sought to ask, but um, I know that they didn't
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: ask Lindsay because she or they may have asked her
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: but she was already in a relationship as soon as
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: she got home, so and then I don't know if
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: they talked to anybody else from my season, but I
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: know it was between for sure, between us myself. Okay,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: so um, I just want to say one more thing
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: about this episode. It was so great seeing Lindsay again
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: because I feel like she was super forgot and then
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: we got kind of got to see what she what
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: she's been doing. I think that like a lot of
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: hardcore bachelor fans follow you on Instagram and they're able
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: to they've been keeping up with your life and then
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: with does his life, and then of course Catherine and Shawn's.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: But then she was just kind of like a ghost afterward,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: and even Chris Harrison was like, seven years, we haven't
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: talked to you, And it was really nice to see
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: like she's kind of found her happily ever after. Yeah,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I know she I've been following her from the beginning.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: She's one of my favorite people because she's just so
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: genuinely sweet and kind and I was actually a little
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: surprised if they wouldn't end up together, her and Sean
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: because I saw more of her corny, like cheesy side
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: that Sean has. Then I did friend Katherine. You know,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: now we see it from Catherine probably, you know, because
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: we see it from Sean a lot. But um, I
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: always thought it would be Lindsay. You know, we not
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: from the beginning, but like towards the end, I was like, wow,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: they're very similar in personality. Yeah, I can see that.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, Ashley, thank you so much for coming on.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: And it was really cool to you know, catch up
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, it was good to talk to you guys. Bye,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: okay bye. One of the best things about The Bachelor
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Greatest Hits is we, as Chris Harrison said, we get
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: to see some of Bachelor Nation's favorites once again on
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: our TV screens, and our guests today are definitely some
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: of the favorites ever on The Bachelor. Sarah Herron is
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: joining us right now on the Almost Famous podcast. Hello Sarah, Hi,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: how are you? Guys? So good? We're good? How are you?
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: I'm good. It's so good to hear your voices, and
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: it's been forever since we've talked. Definitely, Oh, you're so sweet.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to say that it was really cool
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: to see, like how you were the first person on
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: the show, I think, who was very open about having
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: a disability and you and you talk about it so eloquently.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: How did like, if you were in somebody else's season,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: do you feel like you would be able to be
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: as comfortable with it? Did? Was Shaun a big factor
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: in you feeling okay talking about it? Um, It's it's
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: interesting that you put it that way, because I actually
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: feel like so much has changed in seven years, and
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: so much has changed around my confidence and ability to
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: talk about being physically different and being able to talk
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: about having a disability. So when I look back on that,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: I cringe because I know watching you here talk about it,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: you know, like in the recapped version, I know, Well,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: it's it's just, you know, so much growth has been
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: had and and like I said, for me, it's like
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: cringe worthy to watch it because I just feel like
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: today I'm able to talk about myself and my difference
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: is better. But you know, I did feel really uncomfortable,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I'll admit it at the time because it was new
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: for me to talk about such like personal personal, vulnerable
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: content with a total stranger, let alone on TV. So
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: it was really nerve wracking. But I just remember Sewan
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: was fortunately really comforting and such a kind person that
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: it made it that much easier. Are you still in
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: good touch with them today? Are you friends with Catherine?
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: I am like we I wouldn't say we're close, but
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: you know, we remained friends on Instagram. And I think
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: the last time I saw them was at one of
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: The Bachelor in Paradise after like one of those after show. Um,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: remember when they were doing that. So I think that
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: was like the last one I saw them forever ago. Yeah,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: I think that was season and three A Bachelor Paradise. Yeah. Yeah.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: What's it like leading up to watching this back? Sarah?
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: You mean this came out of nowhere. I think for
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: all of us, all of a sudden, the bachel says, hey,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: seasons are coming back on, and we're all like, we
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: don't get to say okay, uh yeah, well fortunately for me,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: I mean then I think you're in a more difficult position.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: But it's like it's I'm super nervous. Like I said,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: seven years ago is crazy. It's a crazy amount of time,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: especially coming from being twenty five years old to now
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: being thirty three. It's just I feel like I was
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: a different person, same person, but younger, and so it's
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: I'm nervous, I'm my stomach is in knots. It's just uncomfortable.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Is Dylan, your boyfriend of three years, gonna be watching
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: this and this is it gonna be weird for him? Yeah?
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: So he is going to watch with me. He's never
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: watched any of my seasons, although in like the last
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: year or two of dating, I've roped him into watching
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: with me. Um from time to time. So he's going
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: to watch tonight. He's not stoked about it. I'll be honest, Um,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I think it's just like a little uncomfortable, and it's
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable for me. I don't know. I'm like, I don't
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: want him to see any back then, but it'll be fun.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: It's all part of the experience. I want to go
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: back to your disability for a second. Is it hurtful
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: to see that they haven't had anybody else with a
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: disability in the season since years? Um? It's I think
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: the word I would use is surprising, not hurtful necessarily,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: but I guess I'm just surprised because so many people
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: are living with physical differences in the whole range of
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: like there's a whole spectrum, right, You can have invisible disabilities,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: you can have visible disabilities and UM, and so I'm
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: a little surprised that there hasn't been more representation. UM.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Hopefully that will change. And I was just gonna say
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: that it feels very weird for me to call you
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: have a disability, and then I was reminded when you
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: just said that you like to call it a physical difference,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: which I much prefer. Yeah, I don't know, I just
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: never Everyone has their own way of of their preference
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: for how they want to call their physical difference. And
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: for me, just growing up, my mom and my dad
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: never taught me to really say that I had a disability.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: So for me, I just my lane was physical difference.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: But everyone has a different um way that they prefer
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: to be called. I want to talk a little bit
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: more about this episode and what what I've seen as
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: I've seen the screener. I now you're pretty open about
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: the fact that we were recording this on Monday afternoon.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: It's a couple hours away from Sarah being able to
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: see it live. She didn't get a screener, but you'll
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: be able to answer these these from memory anyway. We
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: are really reminded in this episode that Tierra is oh
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: a little lackey, the most maybe the most extra person
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: we've ever seen, Definitely craving attention, always getting quote I
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: don't quote hurt, I don't. I don't know. Maybe she
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: truly was hurt in those instances. But what was Tierra
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: like behind the scenes? Is it what you see is
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: what you get? I'm so interested in this question. This
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: is like the this is my biggest takeaway from the
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: whole episode is like this, Oh my god, Okay, are
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: you guys going to have her on this show? No? So, actually,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: since you didn't see this, Chris Harrison tells us on
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: the three hour episode that they had asked and asked
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: for her to come on and she refused to come on,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: So she really doesn't want to be any part of
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation anymore. Yeah, wow, Okay, I'm not surprised to
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: hear that. But because she's always been that way, it
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: was like, as soon as the show wrapped she went
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: silent on social media. It was really, I think, really
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: dramatizing for her to see it play it all play back.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: But um, with that said, Tierra in the house, you know,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: I remember, like most cases with the quote unquote villain
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: um sometimes like they're not as bad as the edit um.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: And I had a harder time seeing it at first
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: because I was Tierra's roommate, so we shared a bunk.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: And then when we started traveling, for some reason, Tira
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: always got her own room. And I don't know if
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: it was a request she was making or or what,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: but she would always be put in her own room
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: with me. And so like I remember when we got
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: to Canada, UM all of the ladies were in one
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: big bedroom that was like Madeline style with bunks just
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: lined up. But then Tira got to be in her
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: own presidential suite. There's mentioned that she had like a cot,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: like she was always sleeping on a cot. Maybe that
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: was separately, yeah, maybe, but just separate. And so I,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: you know, I started to see that draw wedge for sure,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: and I felt in an uncomfortable position because I was like, well,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: I don't really understand I'm always staying with Tira. I
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: think I was a little bit of a safe place
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: for her UM. But then I knew the rest of
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: the women in the house really didn't like her UM,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: so it was really tough to be kind of in
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: the middle. But I will say it was. It was
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: just con cent drama. There was always something that like
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Tierra needed attention for, and you know, that's it's just
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: a weird situation. I had never been put into that.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't have I have a half sister,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: but I've never grew up with sisters. I've never lived
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: in a house full of girls. And to just see,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: you know, so much drama coming from one person was intense.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: So that with Tierra, then, um, I'm just really intrigued
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: because we have these villains and I just hate that.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: I hate the word villain. We have these characters that
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: come on the show who are highlighted. I really feel
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: like leaning into that and if that's not you, then
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: you lean into it and show the public that that's
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: not you. I feel like typically it works out all right,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: especially if you're just you know, if you're just a
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: character that's highlighted because you're extra. I mean, I think
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: that actually kind of benefits you in the end. So,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: you mean, if you're just kind of if you're if
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: you lean into being unapologetic yourself or if you apologize
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: but running from the public makes us all go, hey,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: we miss you, or we want to know more about
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: you or we want to see you. Well, it's just
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: interesting because she's not really giving herself a chance for
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: a redemption, you know, by staying silent. It's like she's
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: kind of just allowing the narrative to continue. And so
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: I really I feel like if she took the opportunity
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: to come forward, especially seven years, seven years, That's that's
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Nobody's anymore. No, Now we think it's
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: funny and we would love to see where her life
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: is now, totally. I would I mean, I would love
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: to know. It's maybe she doesn't want us to see her.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, nobody's mad anymore. And now
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: we're just having fun with this. This is this whole
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: show is about. Yeah, another another point of your season
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: that you weren't there for, but I remember so vividly,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: and it was fun to rewatch. Well, actually it was
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: sad to rewatch was Desire's brother and his reaction towards
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: Sean calling them, you know, the born again virgin bachelor
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: playboy so silly. Do you have any idea how that
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: affected Desiree from continuing on past the top four? You
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: think that Sean would have kept her around had it
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: not been the brother And do you know from you know,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: des his mouth, how like the brother and her relationship
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: was after the fact, Gosh, I actually totally forgot about that, um,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: And I don't feel like I really know about the dynamic.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: I just know it was, you know, I'm sure really
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: really hurtful for her and probably felt like that totally
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: jeopardized her experience. But how she had answered today, probably
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: that it all worked out the way it was supposed to.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know exactly what how that
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: all played a part. Yeah, in a way, it's kind
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: of faithful. Yeah, yeah, the okay Sarah to ended up here.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: I know you have a big night ahead of you, um,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: with a lot of with a lot of hanging out
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: watching some very anxious moments. Yeah, looking back in your
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: time now seven years later, are you thankfully you've done it?
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: I tell people this all the time, you know, because
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people want to say, like, oh,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: is it worth it? Was it everything that you see
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: on TV? Um, would you do it over again? And
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: I always say one changed my life for the better,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: and um, it just opened a world of self growth
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: and opportunity for me. And it was a dream. It
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: truly was a fairy tale. Like Ashley, I think you
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: can relate to this. I grew up watching the show.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: I loved it, and going on was just a dream
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: come true in the way that it's all played out
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: in my life. I'm forever grateful for speaking about relatability.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: I have to throw one thing in there that I
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: thought of watching this episode, and that when I was younger,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: I I wasn't as outspoken as I am today, but
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: I was relating so much to Catherine and like her thinking,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: I can't believe that I got this guy. I can't
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: believe like I'm getting my dream man. Her nerves written
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: all of her face and moments, and then she was
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: just like, you're so hot, You're so hot, like I
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: can't believe it, I can't believe it. I'm obsessed with you.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: And I was like, that is me. Like that, I
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: was exactly like her with Jared, and it was just
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: fun and relatable to see a girl just like kind
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: of geek out over the guy she was with about
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: how she was when like the entire process, she was
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: always just kind of like I think, in disbelief of
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: where she was and the connection she was having with Sean,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: and I think she always used to call like a beefcake,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: or she goes, I'm a vegan, but I just want
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: you to know that I like the beef. Yeah. So
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: she was like, I gave believe this is happening to me.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: So you're right, that is a totally relatable, very human
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: experience that she got to have. We should ask her today,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: after a couple of kids, in a few years of marriage,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: if she still calls him a beefcake and if she's
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: still so obsessed with him or not. That's exactly what
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: my mom said. We should definitely watch. Hey, uh well,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: Sarah Herren, We're really glad that The Bachelor had you on,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: that you said yes to it, and that you came
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: on this podcast. Everybody, Once again, this has been Sarah Herren,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: and uh hey, good luck watching Actually I've seen it,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: but good luck watching this episode. Thank you, Thanks Sarah,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: Bye bye, guys. She's she's always a bright light. Um,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: always somebody that we enjoy interviewing, and uh, you know
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: what it in a weird way, actually this these episodes,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: they feel like reunion of sorts for us to have
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: these people back on who you know, three years ago
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: when we started this podcast, they were like very much
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: still on the scene, they're very much talked about, and
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: now it's like, hey, come back on and let's chat again.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: It's it's been It's kind of nice, yes, Ben, It's
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: kind of like watching your favorite chick flick over and
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: over again, like revisiting these love stories. So if if
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like thinking, is this show going to be a hit, yeah,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: because it's like watching your favorite rom com characters all
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: over again. And we all know that we do that
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: whenever we're scrolling through the TV and we see twenty
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: one dresses, um, my best friend's wedding and the wedding planner. Yeah,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: all the good stuff that we love to watch and enjoy. Well, hey,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: once again everybody out there listening. Uh, if you are
• 1:08:50
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• 1:08:53
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• 1:09:25
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• 1:09:35
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• 1:09:37
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