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What I've Learnt - Tammy Kanat and Sidra Moshinsky · WHAT I'VE LEARNT

• 0:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I know this guest very well, as she's my talented sister and artist, Tammy Cannett.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_01: I've watched her dedicate herself to evolving her craft and blossoming into a fibre artist whose beautiful pieces adorn many homes, including mine.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tammy is a Melbourne-based fibre artist whose practice is driven by curiosity, intuition, and a deep sense of experimentation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Her work unfolds as an evolving narrative shaped by colour, movement, and emotion.
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  SPEAKER_01: Using custom hand-formed copper looms, including her signature circular frames, Canett pushes beyond the traditional boundaries of tapestry, creating intricate compositions that move fluidly between geometric and organic forms.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: Her style is deeply contemplative, drawing from her internal world and guided by a rhythmic meditative process.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'd also like to welcome Sidra Mashinsky, Director and CEO of the Jewish Museum of Australia, where Tammy's latest exhibition, The Circle of Her, is showing.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to both of you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm thrilled to have you join me on the What I've Learned podcast.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having us.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: Great to be here.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: Now, Tem, we're a creative bunch with creative expression always encouraged in our family.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, it's a hallmark, a cornerstone for many of us as we navigate and calibrate.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: You are certainly doing some amazing things in the creative space.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us a little bit about how you started, because you started weaving later in life, which grew into this extraordinary passion and something that has taken you on quite the journey.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us a little bit about how it started and what inspired you.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_02: So my sort of my creative journey really started with jewelry designing.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_02: So that was probably in about um 2012 or earlier.
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  SPEAKER_02: In fact, more like 2000.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I started off with a jewelry business called Mink.
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  SPEAKER_02: I actually ran up.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sorry.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_02: I have a pair of your earrings.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, I have a few pairs.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I think you have a few pairs.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the jewelry business really that I ran for about 12 years, which was a beautiful creative outlet, but I kind of it became more of a business rather than a creative outlet.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_02: And so I fell out of love with the process.
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  SPEAKER_02: So whilst I finished up the jewelry business, we were uh redoing some interior work on the house, and I really wanted a tapestry in the house.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_02: So I'd seen one that was in New York and I really wanted to get it here.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_02: It was all too hard.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_02: So I thought I'll just go to the wool shop and I'll see if I can create myself one.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: So I went to the wool shop, bought the wool, and then just really taught myself and came home and just fell in love with the process.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it was from that point on, it just started this journey, and I really just never stopped.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: And in fact, what's incredible, and I remember those early pieces, you started really quite rudiment in a rudimentary way, which I think is really important for people to know that where you started, you really just were on an exploration.
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  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't like you started with the big pieces, you started with small pieces and learning your craft.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you took some lessons as well, didn't you?
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  SPEAKER_01: As I recall?
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I started off sort of teaching myself, and then I went to the Australian Tapestry Workshop where I did a course there and sort of learnt traditional tapestry weaving.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I kind of wanted to know what the sort of the formal teaching was, um, and then took it back to once I've sort of learnt that, I kind of threw that all out again and just went back on my own sort of journey and exploration.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's important for people to know that because often because you did sort of explore it later in life, and it's good to know that you can actually try something new later and thrive.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you're a beautiful colourist, and your latest exhibition, Circle of Her, is literally, in my opinion, it's sort of visceral and uh it's a rich tapestry, literally, of almost blood-coloured fibers.
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  SPEAKER_01: They almost look biological.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where did your vision for that come from?
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_02: It really came from something very deep within.
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  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't sort of a conscious um direction that I took.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_02: It really, it I look at it like it fell out of me.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I also feel that the tapestry and the works sort of told me where they needed to go.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't feel like I was in total control of the process.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_02: I felt like the archetypes and the work just came to me because they were meant to.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so um, and I always have this thing, I feel like if I listen, you know, and if I find the space, um then I know what I need to do.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you've certainly done that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that you can sort of see it's very organic.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: It feels very organic.
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  SPEAKER_01: It feels like you've just let it come out and be.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I I think we all really, you know, I'm quite in awe of some of the the um the pieces.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your latest exhibition honours women in history and in your life.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tell us a bit about who and why you chose those icons.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I sort of started, oh I did start creating the works and I didn't know who they were, what they were.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I actually went to the um Radical Textiles uh uh in South Australia, which was a beautiful exhibition.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_02: And at that exhibition, I was wandering around and I came across a tapestry by Kiki Smith, and it sort of just drew me in.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, who is this Kiki Smith?
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_02: There was this sort of this interesting woman that had been created, and so I sort of investigated Kiki Smith more, and then I discovered that she'd made these incredible uh bronze sculptures of Lilith.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_02: So then it took me down a tangent and I thought, who is Lilith?
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  SPEAKER_02: I've never heard of Lilith.
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  SPEAKER_02: And once I sort of investigated who Lilith was, so she in a very simple way came before Eve and she wouldn't lie down for Adam.
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  SPEAKER_02: So she was sort of like the first matriarch or the first sort of woman to stand up before Eve.
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  SPEAKER_02: So when I came home and Lilith was in my mind, and it was interesting, even different podcasts or books I was reading, I just kept hearing Lilith.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_02: And then I looked in my studio and I was in the process of creating this very large, one of the largest works in the exhibition, this sort of bold, red, fiery piece.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, oh my goodness, you are Lilith.
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  SPEAKER_02: So she was sort of already there in my studio before I even knew.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_02: So that would then take me on this journey of archetypes, and it just led me down this path of curiosity.
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  unknown: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, as three women here, um, it's really a beautiful honouring of women in all forms.
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  SPEAKER_01: And obviously, as your sister, that's something that it's very, very powerful and connecting.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: Sidra, you're in a very important role right now because you're facilitating uh not only this wonderful exhibition, but also really the museum is reflecting the history and the generations and the art that has shaped our community.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: How are you finding this time?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I suppose how are you seeing the exhibition as a reflection of that?
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's um yeah, I've been in the role of director and CEO of the Jewish Museum of Australia for just a few months.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: So it's um it's very new, and um, although I was involved 20 years ago, so it's a kind of beautiful coming together of my professional journey and then taking it in a new direction.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's a really important part period in time to be part of the museum, and I feel you know, a real sense of responsibility as a kind of custodian and director at this time.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: I I just love being in a place that's literally full of colour, and even more so, you know, for these months that we have Tammy's exhibition, but even with the permanent and other exhibitions, that this is a place of storytelling, it's a place of diversity, complexity, and I feel like, you know, particularly these last two years, there's just been this kind of um absence of curiosity, of looking to understand each other's stories.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: And if we can kind of be open and walk across those bridges and learn each other's stories, then then that you know that that's the beginning of understanding it and building cohesion and these qualities that we value so much.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, the museum, we've got a place where we can tell our own story, it's in our space, um, and it's rich and layered, and and and and where we are the kind of the center of those stories, and we're the evidence of this incredible 4,000-year journey.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so Tammy's exhibition, which really digs deep and draws on consciously and unconsciously, of to use you know the term the thread, but you know, these threads, and we've supplemented Tammy's exhibition in the space with objects from our collection, be them candlesticks for Sarah or references to Ruth, to Esther, to figures from our collection, some of them hundreds of years old, to sort of say, look, this doesn't come from nowhere.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's deeply embedded in women's work for over the centuries or general cultural practice.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, here I am, just surrounded by by this material evidence of an incredible journey, of which, in the scheme of things, however turbulent we are right now, it's a blink of an eye in a in a long people's story that will go on.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's a really good point, and I think it's quite comforting for people.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think also the capacity for it to facilitate unity and for our community to feel that there's a place that we can share those stories.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the tradition of art in Jewish life um is very pivotal.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's it's been around obviously for centuries.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think, and you mentioned it's a tool for healing and connecting, at this time, do you think it's also um a very useful resource to try and encourage the non-Jewish community to come in and to be part of that journey?
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: And how much is that part of the mission?
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, and very much part of our mission.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: We're a place of connection for all people.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so for our Jewish visitors, artists, um, people who engage with us, we're a place for deepening understanding.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: We might be even the first place in someone's journey.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, I know you know, in this case, Tammy was approached to create work.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, for artists, we might be providing that unique place to explore your identity here.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's different putting on exhibition in our space and in than in others.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then for the wider community, very much is key to what we're doing, and we're inviting people to come and learn our story, to ask questions, to be curious.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: And we're yeah, really looking, and I and I think Tammy's exhibition because it's kind of pitched as archetype.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: So some of these women are uh you know shared with other the other monotheistic religions that are based on what we call the Torah, they might call the Old Testament.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: So we share these women, and then they're also archetypal, so you might not call them Sarah or Esther or Lilith, but there's probably a rebellious woman part of your cultural tradition, and so you can come here and see those commonalities, which really are you know so much greater than our differences.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: So, really what you're saying is that there's a universality to centralizing, and that the art is a facilitator of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Tam, for you, what's it been like in a sense, being in that um embedded in that sense of history and and and really the trajectory?
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, as we we often reflect.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're 10th generation Australians, um, our family.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so there's a really interesting um crossover in terms of strong Australian history, the Jewish Museum of Australia.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: How have you found that sort of experience being in the museum as a 10th generation Australian with a strong Jewish centerpiece?
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's a really interesting question.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think, first of all, you know, being selected for the commission um was just an honor.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that um that that is facilitated within the museum is incredible.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I felt that once I was selected, it was like this was meant to be.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_02: This is where I am meant to be, right here, right now, and that it felt so right.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: And from the day that I started this journey or the conversations began, it just was in flow.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_02: So I think the word that just keeps coming to me is that I feel honored and I feel grateful, and I feel like I'm exactly where I'm meant to be right now.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that art is just a beautiful way to communicate because it's sort of it says so much without saying anything.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel that I have had this opportunity to do that in the museum.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, being in Australia, you know, for many years, you know, is our history.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I've always felt, I've always felt very Jewish within.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: But to actually create works for the Jewish museum has kind of made it so much more powerful within me.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's taken me to a place that I haven't thought about being a Jewish woman as much as I have on this journey.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it's probably also inspired others to feel that, to bring people into that space.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that's also been interesting, particularly, you know, coming in and seeing Tammy's exhibition, but also just all of the other elements as well.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a very, I think it has brought people that may otherwise not have felt that and and not had that sort of connection.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, right now is a powerful moment in history.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, I was reading that it's, you know, the time between Roshana New Year and Day of Atonement is known for a time of reflection, repair, recalibration.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: So as the world spins, I think it's very interesting that we're having this interview right now, because I think we're right in the the hub of that little bridge.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: And what are your thoughts?
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I direct this to you, Sidra, about the world and the next generation and what we can offer.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: Do you feel hopeful?
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Do you feel optimistic?
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: And do you see art and the museum as playing a role in that?
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yes, I do feel very hopeful.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: And Judaism is definitely a religion of hope that tomorrow can be better than today.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's definitely a deep Jewish insight to hold on to that.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um for me, being at the museum a place of preservation of our history and celebration of that history, and as Tammy's exhibition makes so clear, we have these deep wells from which we can draw strength, inspiration, whether it's relatively recent history, so many of our family, unlike yours that have been here for 10 generations, uh, you know, it's myself, I'm first generation Australian and come from a Holocaust family background, as many do.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: So whether it's you know, more recent history or going back hundreds or even thousands of years, I think it's incredible to be inheritors of that tradition.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: And we see great diversity today in how that finds expression, including within our museum, from you know, Judaica as an expression of love for tradition to art as exploratory.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: We also have questioning and critique and that complexity of which we're so proud.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it's not a great time to be a Jew, not in Australia, not in the world.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I do, you know, for us as adults, we've you know came of age at a better time.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I do have concerns, and I've recently, you know, just moved from a school environment where young, more impressionable, you know, the next generation have been exposed to kind of levels of prejudice and online as you know, kind of assault that you know is is really challenging.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I think family, community, I think our society, you know, the vast majority are positive and supportive, and that's certainly what we get here.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, my first few weeks we had a bunch of flowers delivered just from an anonymous person to saying we wanted, you know, I'm so ashamed of what's going on and want you to know that there's so many people out there who care about you, and we get messages like that every day.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: So keeping perspective about the nature of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, that it's not all doom and gloom, and then just that we are strong and have continued and will, and I'm not kind of diminishing the seriousness of our age and the need to respond, but um finding that balance between responsiveness and reactiveness and steering our own course and holding on to our story, and exactly as you've said, Deb, about this time of year, that there's a great strength that comes from thinking, you know, tomorrow night when the sun sets, and you know, so much of the Jewish world will recite the same words of Kol Nidre, whether you're here, South America, Israel, the states, a reform, sure, a humanist one, like there's there's there's still that kind of peoplehood and togetherness, and to me that that gives me hope.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think for uh for our listeners who are not Jewish, that's the Day of Atonement.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's a time of it's a very, it's probably the holiest day in our calendar.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it is an interesting time, and and you reflected on that really well, Sidra.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: For you, Tam.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Also, do you feel like this time to be in the museum with this exhibition across the high holidays, you know, was that something that was planned?
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: Was it something that it just fell that way?
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Or do you think that that once again has it has led you to this space, this time?
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: As you say, this is the time you feel you're in the right place.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think I think as I said earlier, I'm just exactly where I'm meant to be right now.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that um that this exhibition is at the Jewish Museum providing um for people within and without the community and experience.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I I am a I I think I'm just a big believer that you know the circle of her is it has something so much wider and bigger than just this exhibition at the museum.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: I feel that it has something um to offer beyond.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: But right now, it being in the museum is like a beautiful starting point.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Tem, I think that's such a good point and such a good reflection because, and also I think, and we obviously the circle of her is about women in general, but the the with a with a historical um anchor, there's something really beautiful about that.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I think we as women um are probably, and throughout history, as is reflected, we are deriving the course more than ever.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I think we lead in so many ways.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I do think that that really our community honours women quite in quite a unique way, actually.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think, Tam?
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think that is that what you've experienced as you researched and went on this journey, seeing some of the icon, you know, the icons of the past?
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_02: I think one thing I found the most interesting is seeing a little bit of myself and all the archetypes.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, just observing, or even on a different day, or even a different time of day.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: So I think there is so much in them.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: And then also seeing within my friends, my family, colleagues, uh I see all the women I know.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like I sometimes will just meet someone and I'll go, oh my gosh, you are Lilith.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I can just see it's fascinating.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: And then also what has been beautiful is seeing other people find themselves within these archetypes that, you know, maybe they haven't taken the time to go back in history.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: And uh for me, I think going back in history has felt like a really safe, safe place.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: It feels like it helps everything make a bit more sense.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: We've been here before.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: We have going to be a lot of course.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a sense of um a continuum, and there's a sense that we have a trajectory beyond this moment in time that we're something, we're connected to the past, and obviously, hopefully to the future.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: Just speaking on the future, in terms of people who or young people, or even mature people who would like to take up um art or uh some sort of um creative journey, what would you say to those people in terms of trying to access something within?
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because it actually does take courage, of which you've shown, I've shown, we've all shown it there's a lot of bravery.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Unseen bravery in these sort of um adventures, shall we call them?
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: I think the my simple answer is just find the child in yourself.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we all start off and we're so creative.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: No one says this is wrong, this is right.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like we have this freedom.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I think, you know, I always find like when I'm creating, it's just like I'm playing.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: I'm almost like bringing out that child in myself.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: So I I think that just trusting yourself, probably like you do when you're four, is just allow that to happen.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: And um yeah, I think that is probably the the quickest way to get to that creative thread, if I can use that word.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: You can use that word thread.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: You can definitely use that word thread.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but also I think that's important because life gets very serious and it gets very oppressive, and the next generation needs to know, and young artists need to know that that this is as important as ever, and that they need to access that part of themselves.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: And for Sidra, how are you feeling heading into the next phase of um after day of atonement?
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: I know you're heading off, but are you feeling um positive and ready for a new year?
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, I think every every day is a gift.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: I know that sounds cliche, but um, yeah, I think I really sense that between the randomness of the world and what it can bring, awareness of health.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, I just feel um there's a lot of work to be done here.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's not easy.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um there's yeah, on lots of different levels where we're working hard to be able to put on these exhibitions, run our education programs, keep up, yeah, keep up with all sorts of things.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: But then I just sort of feel what an honor it is to be part of that.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: And and I think that, as I said, these kind of yearly festivals draw us into that sense of reminding us of the gift of life, our mortality, not in necessarily in a morbid way, just as a like get on with it.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: And um, certainly elements of Jewish living that you know you start each day.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: If you are traditional, the first word that should come out of your mouth is moda, like thankfulness, like just a gift of being alive.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I treasure that.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, gratitude.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's very, very poignant.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: And thank you both of you for joining me at the What I've Learned podcast.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's been an absolute treat, and uh, we've been in our own little circle of her right now, which I think's been really special, and I really appreciate your time.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: And everyone should go and see the exhibition, it's beautiful.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: Have a good night.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for having us on.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's been an absolute pleasure and such a beautiful experience to have together as sisters.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: It is very special.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: I agree, Tam.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: I feel very blessed to have such a thanks as an honorary sister.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we just bring everyone into our circle.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: We we love it.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: Sisterhoods, thank you.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks so much.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm blessed to have so many wonderful guests coming on the show.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: So check out my What I've Learned Instagram for updates.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: Meanwhile, stay tuned, kind, and curious.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: Love Deb.