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#185 – Did Sex and the City 2 age well? (w/ Kameron Tyler) · Did That Age Well?

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Hi everybody, welcome to another brand new episode of Did That
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Age Well? The continuation of the Sex and
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the City discussion with the Cameron Show.
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I am here with my dear friend Cameron Tyler.
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Welcome to Did That Age Well? Thank you, fellow Leo.
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And before you watch this, pause that video.
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Pause that episode of your podcast on Apple Podcast where
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you should write a review, or Spotify where you should write a
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comment. Hit pause right now.
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Go to the link in my description to listen to or watch the
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episode that Cameron and I did on the first Sex in the City
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movie, because today we're discussing the second Sex in the
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City movie. Maybe the worst thing to ever
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happen to Sex in the City, only second to Che Diaz.
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Who? I haven't, I haven't even
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watched and just like that. And I know that Che was even
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worse than the four girls going to wear Abu Dhabi.
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Abu Dhabi Doo. My God.
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That's a real line from the movie.
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That is a real line that that Miranda shouts out a window at
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the airport. White Lady screams out a car
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window. Yeah.
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And she's so satisfied with herself when she does it.
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She's smiling. It comes to her like Abu Dhabi
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do. Is there so much to see?
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So there's a lot to do in Abu Dhabi.
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You could say Abu Dhabi do and it's all bad.
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So today we're going to be talking about how Sex and the
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City two age. So stick around and and strap in
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babes because. That's another piece of vocab I
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learned from. I think that means yes, right
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Hanji? I think so.
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Yeah, Hanji. It's either yes or Thank you.
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No, thank you was Oh fuck. Now I can't.
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Remember, I'll have to brush up on my air band.
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OK so if Miranda was not still alive as a character I would say
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RIP Miranda. You would have loved Duolingo.
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Oh God. You know, because she's reading
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the books, she's learning the language.
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She is. She would have had a Duolingo
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streak like he wouldn't believe. I'm in my mind she's playing it.
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Good. So, Cameron, tell me about your
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history with Sex and the City to the movie.
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Sex and the City 2. I went to go see this in an
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early screening because I won tickets via Out Front Colorado,
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the gays taking care of the gays.
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I went by myself because nobody would watch me or watch it with
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me and also no one would watch me watch the movie, which is
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really what I wanted. Yeah, because I'm a Leo, but
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nobody wanted to go to this movie.
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And when I walked out of this movie, even though this is
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widely known as the worst part of the Sex and the City universe
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is the second movie, I thought it was amazing and brilliant and
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perfect. And so I literally went on
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Facebook and was like, I cannot wait for you all to see this
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movie when it comes out for the general public.
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But I went early because I'm better than you.
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And like when you can see it y'all to tell me what you think.
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And to my surprise, no one thought very highly of it but
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me. And just like that, you were
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wrong. Oh, OK.
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Damn, I've always said that. And you've always said that.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So let's pick up where we just left off, which is you learning
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that you were the only one that liked this movie when it came
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out. Crazy.
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And so has anyone like, I mean, when, when other people saw
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this, were you aware at that time that other people didn't
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like it? Or was it not until later when
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you went back and watched this, that you said, oh, actually this
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is bad? I knew right away people didn't
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like it. I was like, I don't get it why
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you feel that way. But like as soon as the movie
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came out, the reviews were not good.
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Bad from the beginning. Yeah, On Michael Patrick King's
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Writers Room podcast Friend Just Like That, there was an episode
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where he talked about when the second movie came out and how,
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like, they were doing a press tour in Asia.
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And he was so stunned that people hated this movie so much
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and that the reviews were so bad, not just in the US but all
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over the world, that he, like, had to go to, like, a Japanese
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Zen garden with Sarah Jessica Parker and, like, cry about it.
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Oh my God. Like, the reviews were so bad.
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But at the time, I was just like you guys.
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We just spent 2 1/2 hours with Carrie Bradshaw, Samantha Jones,
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Charlotte York and Miranda Hobbs.
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Why are we complaining? Yeah.
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And now in my older age, I can say, OK, I kind of I can.
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I still love it, but I can see why it is the one of the worst
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movies. Yeah, maybe ever.
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One of the certainly one of the worst sequels ever.
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Yeah, for sure. Probably the worst TV to movie
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transition. Pretty bad.
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So pretty bad. Now, there's a lot of, there's a
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lot that makes this movie bad, but I'm going to start with just
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kind of an overall summary of the plot.
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Perfect. So so we start at a gay wedding
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and then. But it's not a gay wedding.
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It's Stanford's wedding. It's Stanford's wedding, of
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course, Big's first gay wedding. No surprise there.
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No. And the girls decide to go to
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Abu Dhabi because Samantha, oops, sorry, to kick the
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microphone. Samantha has a client.
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The. I don't know.
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The Sheik Shake, that's all I remember.
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That's what she calls him. He has a name but I always
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remember him being called the Sheik Shake.
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There is. If you're a brown person in this
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movie, you do not have a memorable name.
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Except for Abdul, Like Paula. OK, Yeah, we'll get there.
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So true. We'll get there.
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The only good part of this movie is Abdul.
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Like Paula. Yeah, Oh my God, the honestly
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the only like, full character. Oh my God.
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Well, we'll get there. Yeah.
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Keep going, Keep going. So Samantha is doing PR for the
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UAE kind of as a whole it seems, which it's shocking that this
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movie wasn't bankrolled by UAE because it is basically an
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advertorial for Abu Dhabi. Until the end.
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Until the end. Yeah, which is probably why they
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didn't fund it. Yeah, well, they did not even
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cosign it. They said you cannot film here.
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They filmed it in Morocco. Oh, that's right, yeah.
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Yeah, and I did look it up after it did not screen in the UAE.
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OK, yeah, 'cause when Molly and I were watching, I was like, I
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wonder if they were even allowed to play this in Abu Dhabi 'cause
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they do end up being shown in not a great light.
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Not great. I mean everyone, everyone comes
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off bad by the end. There are no heroes except for
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Abdul like Paula. So the girls go to, it's
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basically girls trip and they go to experience the culture.
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They go to stay in a $20,000 a night hotel room.
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They run into Aiden. They they buy shoes at the
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market. You know, honestly, they go,
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they do karaoke. Not that much happens, but
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somehow they managed to make a movie where nothing happens feel
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shockingly offensive. There are some offensive things
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in this movie, yeah. Would you say that that's kind
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of a, a, a summary of the of the plot?
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I mean, Samantha gets in trouble because she's a whore.
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Yeah. I mean, ultimately, it's kind of
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like in the first movie, they all have their own storylines.
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But like we discussed in my episode, Charlotte's storyline
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very reductive, in my opinion. Charlotte's storyline throughout
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this movie is she has a nanny to help take care of her kids who
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are driving her crazy, but she doesn't want to admit that her
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kids are driving her crazy because she wanted kids so bad
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and now they're crazy. Lily ruins a Valentino vintage
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skirt. Yeah, traumatizing.
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That is the most traumatizing thing in the movie Which.
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The most offensive thing in the movie, frankly.
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Honestly, yeah. It's like a beautiful cream
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Valentino. Lily puts her red paint her
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little hands on it, right on the butt.
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And Kristin Davis on her podcast talks about how that was a real
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Valentino skirt. They had a ruin for that scene,
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but she still has it. Wow.
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I know. So anyway, that was reductive.
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It turns out at the end of this movie, the nanny's a lesbian.
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And so. Oh, I didn't have to worry about
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it. Anyway.
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Actually, she didn't have to worry about it because Harry
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wouldn't cheat on her. Yeah.
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So the whole thing is kind of dumb because the whole time
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she's like, Oh my God, my nanny's hot and I have a
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husband. Right.
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And The thing is like, yeah, Harry's going to oogle at her
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her boobies, whether she's a lesbian or not.
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I ogled at her boobies. She didn't wear a bra.
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She was. She was bouncing up and down.
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I mean, how could you look anywhere else?
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Yeah, anyway. So yeah, that was reductive.
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Once again, we find Miranda complaining about work.
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But the nice thing is at the beginning of the movie, she
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quits her job. So she actually becomes super
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happy. And like, I'm gonna learn Arabic
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while we're on this trip to Abu Dhabi.
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I'm gonna be supportive of Charlotte.
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She's actually quite enjoyable during this and maybe a little
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too happy. Yeah.
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So she. And other than that, Miranda
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doesn't really have a storyline. Like even her conclusion at the
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end is like, well at my old job my boss was mean to me so now I
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found a new job where people are nice to me.
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That's Miranda's literal storyline.
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That's the whole thing being cringe in Abu Dhabi, which, to
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be fair, all of them are. She's the one who tries.
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She does in her Gen. X feminist way of being.
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Like I'm going to learn a few words in Arabic and I'm going to
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learn about the culture. And I will say her being a
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cringe Gen. Xer translates very well into
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and just like that if anyone watched the show.
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And just like that, the whole thing starts for Miranda.
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And then just like that, with her going back to school and
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putting her foot in her mouth by saying a bunch of offensive
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things accidentally, like, I won't even go there.
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But it it it translates well. But unfortunately, it is her
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only storyline. So if you're a Miranda Stan, you
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probably did not love this movie.
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Or maybe you loved that they painted her in a fun light.
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That's true. It is one of the only time she
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has fun. That is so true.
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Like ever. They had to fly for a day to go
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to a place where Miranda could have fun.
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Yeah, Miranda will never have fun in New York, and that stays
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true. That's honestly so.
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They were so real for that. They honestly were.
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And then Samantha's storyline is that she is, well, obviously she
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is doing PR to make Abu Dhabi more a more desirable travelling
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vacation destination. But also her storyline is that
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in the US she's doing a bunch of hormones because she's like,
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I've discovered the secret to staying young thanks to Suzanne
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Somers. So she's like, Oh my God, I'm on
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estrogen, a touch of testosterone and this vitamin,
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this whatever. Because she's menopausal.
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Yeah, she goes to Abu Dhabi and she's not allowed to have her
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supplement, which is a huge problem for her.
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And also, this means that she doesn't really feel very sexual,
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so she doesn't feel like she's herself.
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She feels like she's lost her sense of self.
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But then riding across the sand dunes on his ATV is Ricard Spurt
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AKA Richard AKA Dick, meaning his name is Dick Spurt and she
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has to point that out. He's so fucking hot.
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It's stupid how hot he is. He's one of the hottest men I've
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ever seen in my life. And he's also Dutch.
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He is? Yeah, he is from another white
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people country. Yeah, thus his name.
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Ricard. Yeah.
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Anyway, then she finally does start feeling herself again, and
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then she has sex with him and gets in trouble and they get
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kicked out of Abu Dhabi. So that's a pretty important
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part of the plot. Yeah.
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But, you know, the crown jewel of this movie was the return of
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Aiden for Carrie. Of course, Carrie in the
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beginning of this movie is having all this trouble with Mr.
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Big because she says the sparkle's gone from our
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marriage. They've been married for two
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years. Two years.
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And we have to have a full discussion about this, by the
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way. Yes, I'm so sorry to hijack
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this, I feel like I'm hijacking. Right now, why would I invite
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you on the podcast if I didn't want you to do most of the work?
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Okay, great, because I'm like, I realize I'm telling you what we
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have to talk about. No, of course This is why do you
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think I would invite you if I wanted a she knows if person.
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She knows what she asked for. OK, I actually have to tell you
14:29
something really quick. OK, Please.
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OK, so my friend Annie, shout out Annie J Cox, friend of the
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pod. She told me the story that I
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think is probably like a parable across many religions and
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cultures, but for her was a part of her Mormon upbringing where
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there's this man who is about to go hike up a mountain and
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there's a snake that he meets at the at the base of the mountain.
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And the snake says, hey, will you carry me up the mountain?
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And he's like, no, you're going to bite me.
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And the snake is like, I promise I won't bite you.
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So he hikes up the mountain. They get to the top.
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He sets down the snake. The snake bites him.
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And he says, why did you bite me?
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You told me you weren't going to.
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And he said you knew who I was when you picked me up.
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Oh my God. And I knew who you were when I
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picked you up. That's so true.
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OK, great. Then I'm going to go down this
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rabbit hole and I'm taking you with me.
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The snake in this movie is Carrie Bradshaw.
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And Mr. Big knew who he married. OK, so she's upset in the
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beginning of this movie because Mr. Big wants to go home and
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relax. This man is in his 50s, by the
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way. I think he's very justified.
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He wants to get some take out at the end of the day.
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He's working the stock market all day.
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He's so fucking stressed out. He wants to come home.
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She's like, I'm excuse me, It's a Monday night, we have a movie
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premiere to go to. We need to have sparkle in our
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marriage. She ends up going to her old
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apartment to have a couple days to write and she realizes that
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after having a couple days apart, this has introduced some
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sparkle back into their marriage.
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So before she and the girls go on this trip to Abu Dhabi, this
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is very important. She and Big have a conversation
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and Mr. Big goes, hey, remember how you liked having those two
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days at your old apartment? And like when we re converged,
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there was sparkle like you wanted.
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What if we just do that every week, two nights a week?
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And she's like, you want two nights a week off from our
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marriage? And he's like, I'm just saying
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like do what we did last time. And she's like, but that's not
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how marriage works. This is the theme of the movie.
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And he goes, I thought you said we were supposed to make our own
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rules. That's.
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So true. Now let's talk about this
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because I think this is really, if they had done this better, it
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was kind of like a missed opportunity because I actually
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think this is a great conversation.
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You and I watched this movie together and we agreed this
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would actually be amazing. This is after I saw this, it
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changed my brain chemistry. I said, oh, maybe one day I will
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get married. Because if I can design it so
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that I have two nights to myself, if I can have another
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apartment where I go just to, like, hang out and write and,
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like, do whatever. Yeah, That sounds incredible.
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That sounds perfect. And if you are so privileged
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that you and your partner have a home and you have this vacant
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apartment, by the way, we did have to chuckle at that.
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She's in New York City and she just has a vacant apartment at
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her disposal. But if that's if that were your
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situation and maybe you know what, if you're married, leave
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us a comment and tell us what you think about this.
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But I would suspect if I were married and in this financial
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situation, I would also be like, wow, yeah, let's have two nights
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a week. And he describes it as like, you
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can go do your writing for two nights.
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And I can do. I can, he says.
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I can watch sports or I can watch TV and do all the things
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that annoy you. Totally.
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And he's like, you can go out with the girls.
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Yeah, exactly. You can go like, do the things
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that you like doing without me. And it's like, I think that that
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makes so much sense because it reserves time in the week for
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her to do those things so that she doesn't say, you know what,
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I'm mad at you now, so I'm going to go out with the girls as a
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punishment. Exactly.
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It just is naturally interwoven in the relationship.
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I thought it was ground breaking.
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I, If I were married, I, no, I wouldn't mind having two days
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off because you know what distance makes the heart grow
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fonder. So true.
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So they have this conversation and then she and the girls fly
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to Abu Dhabi. And you have to remember,
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meanwhile, Charlotte is feeling very insecure about her marriage
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because she's feeling insecure about what kind of mother she is
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and this nanny and like, she's not enough.
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And so it kind of creates some tension between Carrie and
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Charlotte. Now what happens at the
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marketplace in Abu Dhabi, Mali? OK.
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So in the marketplace in Abu Dhabi, she sees Aiden, This sees
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Aiden. Shaw.
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The laziest way to incorporate a story about It's like fanservice
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of bringing Aiden back. Why the fuck would Carrie run
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into Aiden in Abu Dhabi? Molly, that's literally the
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point is that it's a sign. It's.
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Like. No, are you kidding?
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Wait, we have not had this discussion.
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No, I wanted to have it on the pause.
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I know you're blindsiding me right now.
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I can't believe you're doing this to me.
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I wanted an honest reaction from you.
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I this is my honest reaction. You're full of shit because her
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running into Aiden in Abu Dhabi at a marketplace is magical.
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It was movie magic. I'll tell you this.
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I remember the moment it happened in the theater and
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everyone else who was there for that early screening was
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probably as delulu as me and being like, this is the best
20:02
movie ever, everyone. I I cheered too.
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If you remember, I was so happy to see Aiden 'cause I'm an Aiden
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apologist. How is it lazy?
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I think that it's lazy because it's like, it's so unrealistic.
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Even in this world where I am willing to suspend disbelief a
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little bit. It just was so like, OK, well,
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how can we complicate her marriage?
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Oh, she's going to run into Aiden.
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Where is she going to run into Aiden?
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Well, the movie takes place in Abu Dhabi, so I guess he has to
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be there. He does furniture.
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He's looking at textiles in the Middle East.
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He's looking at rugs to sell with his furniture, he says,
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which I'm like, OK, Yeah, Yeah. Also, he's married to Kathy.
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And because I am so knowledgeable, I will tell you
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his wife Kathy, sells textiles. Oh, so it's like part of their
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life is textiles. And he's doing business with
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some rug makers. Yeah, it makes sense to me.
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I don't think it's that outlandish.
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I don't think it's lazy. I think it's movie magic.
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And he asked Carrie to go to dinner with him, and she accepts
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the invitation. Charlotte is like Carrie.
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Oh, my God. You're playing with fire.
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Yeah. And Carrie goes just because
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you're insecure about your marriage, everyone's going to
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cheat. Well, what ends up happening?
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Well, girl, I mean, Carrie is. Carrie was so rotted for that.
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She was so rotted for that, for projecting her insecurities onto
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Charlotte, being so mean. OK, Charlotte was being really
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annoying though. Well, Charlotte was being
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annoying, but Charlotte was fucking right.
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Kind of. So let's talk about this now.
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So Carrie goes to dinner with Aiden, and at this dinner where
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they have the best Maha Maha or whatever the hell it's called, I
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probably butchered that. She and Aiden end the night by
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sharing a kiss. No one, no, neither of them is
22:03
completely his fault. It was very mutual, but it was
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just a kiss. Is that cheating?
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Yeah, it's, well, it's certainly something to certainly something
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to be aware of if I would be upset if my partner kissed an ex
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in Abu Dhabi. In Abu Dhabi, though.
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On or honestly really anywhere but.
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No, I get it. I.
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Think it's because they have history.
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Again, that doesn't make a difference.
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If it was a Steve situation. That's what I was going to.
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Say that's the thing, I would be more OK with my partner having a
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one night stand with someone who they like don't know than my
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partner kissing their ex in. Really.
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And it was just a kiss. They didn't even sleep together.
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Yeah, I would be like, well, because they have history
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together. This is someone who she has that
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does. Make it way more intimate.
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It makes it more intimate. The emotional part of it, I
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think, is what I would have. And kissing can totally be more
23:05
intimate than sex. Absolutely.
23:07
That's true. OK.
23:08
I do. I do think that it is worse than
23:10
Steve's affair in the first movie.
23:12
Yeah. I do also think, though.
23:15
So Carrie runs back to the hotel.
23:18
She makes everything about herself and goes I need
23:21
everybody. Charlotte and Miranda are in the
23:24
middle of having a heart to heart about being mothers.
23:27
Samantha's in the bath getting ready for her date with Dick
23:30
spurt and Carrie's just like stop what you're doing everyone.
23:34
I kissed Aiden what should I do what should I do?
23:37
She's begging for advice. Samantha gives her the advice
23:40
that she asks for and goes Don't tell him it was just a kiss and
23:44
it's not going to happen again. What's the point of telling him?
23:47
Carrie immediately goes I'm. Titling him, girl.
23:51
Why did you make everyone stop what they were doing when you
23:53
knew that you weren't going to listen to their advice?
23:55
Why? And why are you going to tell
23:57
him? And I think just like when
24:00
Miranda told Carrie what she had said to beg the night before
24:05
their wedding, when she said you guys are crazy to get married, I
24:09
thought that Carrie was only telling Big because she wanted
24:13
to feel better. It wasn't because she actually
24:16
wanted to mend something in their marriage.
24:18
She felt so guilty that she could not sleep that night and
24:22
she had to tell Big because she had to get it off her chest so
24:26
that she could move on. I also thought that she should
24:29
just go ahead and take it to her grave because she said that's
24:31
like never going to happen again.
24:33
I don't love Aiden like. Yeah, and also, not only did
24:37
Samantha tell her not to say anything, but Miranda, who had
24:41
the experience of Steve cheating on her with the one night stand
24:44
and then telling her about it, said, you know, now that I know
24:47
Steve did it one time with someone and it didn't mean
24:50
anything, was it really better that he told me?
24:53
Right. So Carrie should have just,
24:54
like, really taken that if it was really never going to happen
24:58
again. And it didn't.
24:59
It didn't. She didn't see Aiden again until
25:02
like, a year after Big died. Yeah, which you know about Aiden
25:06
storyline and and just like that.
25:07
Yeah. OK.
25:08
So yeah, like he did come back after Big died, but it didn't
25:12
happen again. So like, why did she have to
25:14
tell him that? It just made him very upset.
25:18
And also she should have wait if she was going to tell him, she
25:22
should have waited until she got back rather than telling him on
25:25
the phone in the middle of the work day.
25:27
Yeah, by the way, he's at work because one in the morning in
25:29
Abu Dhabi is during the work day for Mr. Bitt and she truly, I do
25:33
not think that she even thought of that.
25:35
It would be like Kerry to think of that and do it anyway.
25:38
But I literally think that she is so self-centered that she
25:41
didn't even think, oh, I wonder what time it is in the US, in
25:44
New York. No.
25:46
And that is very Carrie. Yeah, which I don't hate her for
25:49
that. OK, so.
25:52
The eye roll. OK, so let's go back to the
25:58
beginning of this film. Is that?
25:59
OK, to the game, to the gay wedding.
26:01
Yeah, so it's wild that this movie was before marriage
26:06
equality and the boys had to go to Connecticut to get married.
26:10
Yeah, 'cause it wasn't even legal in New York yet.
26:12
Yeah, to think this movie, despite the fact that it ages
26:16
horribly, it was born bad and it wasn't that long ago.
26:19
This is a contemporary movie. No, it's movie is 15 years old.
26:22
Yeah, and the fact that they weren't allowed to get married
26:26
in New York? Wild it.
26:28
Is absolutely wild. So Carrie dresses in a suit for
26:33
their wedding and it's this whole thing.
26:36
I feel like it's so like her being a performative Gen.
26:41
X feminist, being like, I'm so progressive because I'm wearing
26:44
this like hot pantsuit too. It is, and also like in Carrie
26:51
Bradshaw fashion, she has to get this very unique headpiece that
26:56
had to be delivered to the wedding venue.
26:59
And she says the suit is Dior, but the hat is Carrie Bradshaw.
27:06
Something like that. And the headpiece is horrific.
27:10
It makes her look like a knock off Disney villain.
27:13
Not even like in Disney villain, just a knock off villain.
27:16
Yeah, like on PBS or something. No shade to PBSI.
27:20
Love you but like your villains are not very comfy.
27:23
No, not at. All it wasn't good.
27:26
Her outfit. I mean.
27:27
Honestly though, Stanford's outfit wasn't great.
27:30
I agree. So it's almost like wearing
27:32
something ugly is paying homage to Stanford because I hate his
27:35
clothes all the time. Oh yeah, he is not.
27:38
I mean, yeah, they don't. They do him pretty dirty I would
27:41
say. Oh yeah.
27:42
Fashion wise and somebody says here come the gays.
27:49
I can't remember who said that. Probably Charlotte and the the
27:56
men in this movie, one of them says, OK, OK, so I'm sorry, I'm
28:04
getting, I'm getting ahead of myself.
28:06
It's easy to do when you're talking about the sweating
28:08
because it's crazy. It is crazy.
28:10
So we have basically like the entire San Francisco Gay Men's
28:13
Chorus up there with top hats. They've got, they've got Swans,
28:17
they've got everything. They've got Liza fucking
28:20
Minnelli. Liza Minnelli did a cameo in
28:24
this movie. That is honestly one of the
28:27
things that you have to admit is redeeming about this movie
28:31
because it is an iconic appearance in which she, for
28:34
some reason, has chosen to perform a rendition of Single
28:39
Ladies. Yeah at Stanford and Anthony's
28:42
wedding. Yeah, the song is crazy.
28:45
Who are neither single nor ladies.
28:48
Yeah, exactly. And and Miranda even makes a
28:52
joke like, oh, now we know why people get married so they don't
28:54
have to dance to this song at weddings anymore.
28:58
Liza. Oh, and she's also the officiant
29:00
of the wedding. Liza Minnelli also officiates
29:03
this wedding, and she is just amazing in this role, even
29:09
though at the time, let's see, this movie was filmed in 2009,
29:14
Liza Minnelli was born, and I want to say 1945.
29:18
Yeah. So she was about 64.
29:23
Yeah, mid 60s. And she does the choreography
29:27
for Single Ladies and she gives a very spirited performance.
29:31
And also I believe her rendition of Single Ladies is on
29:34
streaming. You can listen to it.
29:36
Absolutely. And honestly like watch the 1st
29:39
15 minutes of this film for Eliza.
29:43
Yeah, I think that if if you can do it.
29:47
You can talk a lot of shit about Sex and the City too, but it's
29:50
the only piece of the Sex and the City universe in which Judy
29:54
Garland, or a descendant of Judy Garland makes an appearance.
29:58
Other than when Carrie is watching Meet Me in Saint Louis,
30:02
but she's watching the trolley song and she turns it off
30:05
halfway through. Yeah, this is the only time we
30:08
see someone show up with Judy Garland's jeans.
30:12
Incredible. And perform.
30:13
So. So watch it for that.
30:15
It is the gayest. I mean, I think someone refers
30:18
to Stanford and Anthony's wedding as it's like looking
30:21
into the sun. Yeah.
30:23
Which is how I want people to talk about me.
30:26
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30:28
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So Stanford gets the wedding of his dreams and Anthony gets to
31:13
cheat and they say because you're gay.
31:15
And he says no because I'm Italian and I loved that.
31:18
I loved that too. I think like, I think it's very
31:23
true to their relationship. Yeah.
31:26
And Anthony is like an old school gay.
31:28
I do just like I'm this is one way.
31:32
I'm like, am I a closeted fucking Republican?
31:36
I hate the trope of gays relationships having to be open
31:41
relationships. I feel like it's so true in real
31:44
life, which is also the annoying part.
31:46
I don't. Know.
31:47
Of why I'm borderline homophobic at this point where I'm just
31:49
like these fucking gays. And that's probably a vapid take
31:53
on my part, but I think it's and I'm all about do whatever you
31:56
want to do. I just think it's annoying.
31:59
I just think it's annoying just like it's I am a Charlotte.
32:05
This is my Charlotte moon coming out.
32:07
It is. I'm like, I'm sorry, if you have
32:09
an open relationship, is it really a marriage?
32:13
I know, I know, I know and I logically don't believe that.
32:18
But in my Charlotte Moon soul. In your soul, your deepest.
32:22
Self it cheapens their marriage to me.
32:23
I'm gonna Yeah, I'm gonna say it.
32:26
It does cheapen their marriage to me.
32:29
And that's my hot take. I'm so sorry.
32:31
Some of you will agree with me, and some of you will think that
32:34
I'm the worst backwards person for saying that.
32:39
Probably someone will accuse me of like, going down Republican
32:43
lane here, but it did make me take Anthony and Stanford's
32:49
marriage a little less seriously.
32:51
Wow. But you know what?
32:52
That's a quality because you're holding their marriage to the
32:55
same standard as straight people.
32:58
Actually, would you what? First, if someone was in a
33:00
hetero relationship and they had an open marriage, would you be
33:03
less annoyed? Equally annoyed.
33:06
Equally annoyed? OK, but I am a Charlotte in this
33:09
way. Again, I want to be very clear
33:11
that logically and my on the record stances, this isn't the
33:16
politician in me coming out. You have the right to do
33:19
whatever you want to do. Said you.
33:21
And I support that right? Also, personally, it's a little
33:27
less legit to me. I'm sorry.
33:29
It is sorry to all my Poly friends, but wow.
33:34
The Poly cool is coming after. Let me just say it's not for me.
33:38
Love it if it's for you. And and then here's the thing, I
33:41
love Anthony. Anthony is one of my favorite
33:44
characters ever created. What?
33:46
He's a bitchy Italian gay and he's best friends with Charlotte
33:49
York. He ends up with a bread company
33:52
and then just like that called Hot Fellas.
33:56
That's so funny. And he ends up married to a very
34:00
hot young Italian man named Giuseppe with a huge loaf.
34:07
With a huge Italian sausage. Oh, my God.
34:10
And he's beautiful. So he gets, he has a great arc.
34:14
Yeah, but I don't like that. I don't like that part.
34:19
I kind of thought that it was like in jest, you know?
34:23
I didn't think like he's actually going to cheat.
34:25
Okay, well there's the Charlotte in you, because right after they
34:28
talk about this, the group has a little conversation and
34:31
Charlotte goes, well, he doesn't say he's going to cheat, he just
34:35
says he can cheat. And I'm like, yeah, he's
34:40
cheating. They're gay.
34:41
He's cheating and then Stanford goes well he's only allowed to
34:45
cheat in the 46 states were not legally married.
34:48
And I laughed out loud. I thought that was so funny.
34:50
That was a sign of the times. It was 2009 slash 10.
34:55
Crazy. OK, so at the wedding, people
35:02
start inquiring about whether Carrie and Big are going to have
35:07
kids. And people say, oh, so it's just
35:10
going to be you 2. And they were so real for that,
35:15
for setting that up. She's like, yeah, it's not like
35:17
that feeling of being asked why you're not having kids.
35:22
I think they really, they really did that for the girls when they
35:27
wrote that, they said we need, we need to give a little shout
35:32
out to every person who has been asked this question.
35:35
I do agree with that. I'm glad it happened.
35:37
I will say the woman who asked it gave a terrible performance.
35:40
Oh, I absolutely agree. And she's like a Broadway star.
35:42
I don't even remember her name. She said I need to be on the
35:45
stage. And she should take it to the
35:47
stage 'cause it wasn't good in the movie.
35:49
No, it was not OK. So then we have the introduction
35:56
to the Irish braless nanny. Yeah, I don't even remember her
36:03
name. There's a wet T-shirt contest
36:05
with the baby Aaron. I think her name's Aaron.
36:07
I think her name's Aaron. Aaron.
36:09
Aaron. I mean, we already talked about
36:14
that. It's really not that important.
36:17
But I love her, for the record. Oh yeah, of course she does
36:19
nothing wrong. She's super helpful.
36:21
She is so good at her job. When Charlotte does get her
36:26
Valentino skirt ruined and I have to bring it up more than
36:29
once, of course it, I mean, it hurts me to this day to watch
36:32
that scene. Charlotte goes in the pantry and
36:35
starts crying and then there's like jiggling on the door handle
36:38
and you think the kids are trying to get in, but it's
36:39
really Aaron coming to save her and take the kids away so she
36:42
can decompress. So I love Aaron.
36:46
Aaron is great. Aaron, a consummate
36:49
professional. Aaron is a classic example of
36:51
like, the girl you never needed to hate, and that's your own
36:55
internalized misogyny. Totally.
36:57
And Charlotte does say later that when she realized that she
37:02
had the hot nanny who didn't wear a bra and that, you know,
37:07
and that maybe people would be looking, that she was like, Oh
37:11
my God, I don't want to lose my nanny.
37:12
Yeah, she goes. When I thought about Harry
37:15
leaving me, all I could think is I can't lose the nanny.
37:19
So she loves Erin. She does love her, despite her
37:22
insecurities. I think deep down she does love
37:24
her. She does.
37:25
Now we really got to get into the meat of it.
37:28
The girls are at, they're at lunch and Samantha's like, look,
37:34
the girls we got to go to Abu Dhabi and, and everyone's like,
37:41
and she says I go to children's birthday parties for you.
37:45
You can go to Abu Dhabi for me. Infamous in my heart.
37:49
And I want to say that to any of my friends who have kids, when I
37:54
ask you to do something, remember that I go to children's
37:59
birthday parties, I go to baby showers, I go to weddings.
38:02
You can you can cough up a few bucks to come hang out with me
38:08
in Denver without your kids. Feel that on a spiritual level
38:13
it is the representation that I admire in this movie.
38:17
And I will say yeah, it goes both ways.
38:20
Because if I do go to your kids birthday parties, which I've
38:25
gone to a lot, Yeah. And actually I'm getting better
38:28
just being like, I don't wanna go to your kids birthday party.
38:30
And I have fabulous friends who are like, of course you don't
38:32
and that's OK. Yeah, totally.
38:34
But yeah, if I am going to your kids birthday parties and I ask
38:37
you to go to dinner with me every once in a while, Yeah, go
38:40
to the damn dinner. Absolutely.
38:42
Let me ask you this. This is a throwback question,
38:44
OK. In the original Sex and the City
38:47
series, do you remember the episode where Carrie Bradshaw's
38:51
like, I've gone to bridal showers, Bachelorette parties?
38:56
Oh, yeah. I don't ever get to register for
38:59
anything. Why?
39:00
Because I'm not married and don't have kids.
39:02
So she sets up a registry and she says I'm marrying myself.
39:05
Yeah. As someone who did marry
39:07
himself, I find this very admirable.
39:09
What do you think about that? Have you ever thought about
39:11
doing it? Oh, of course, when I turned 30,
39:13
I thought, should I just make a registry for myself?
39:17
I might do that for 35. I think you should because OK,
39:22
here's what I also think. I think that, and this is very
39:24
much like a like person of privilege thing to say, assuming
39:29
that people in their 30s are buying a home.
39:31
But when you get married, you get to set up a registry.
39:35
You get all new stuff for your kitchen, for your living room,
39:38
for everything. And The thing is that today most
39:42
people who are getting married, they already live together.
39:45
They already have stuff together.
39:47
This is not the age where like you're you're going from being
39:52
bankrolled by your dad to being bankrolled by your husband.
39:56
You are not being transferred from one home to another.
40:00
Unless you're lucky. Just kidding.
40:03
That's the Republican. And that's the Republican.
40:05
And that's the Charlotte and me again.
40:06
Absolutely. Today.
40:10
Now it's just like, oh, OK, so you found love, so now you get
40:13
free stuff. I think that the tradition
40:17
should be that when you move into your first home, either,
40:22
you know, I was going to say it like when you buy a home, you
40:25
should be able to set up a registry so people can buy stuff
40:27
for you, Especially because when you buy a house, you're
40:30
typically cash poor, you know? Yeah.
40:33
But I think it actually should just be when you move into your
40:36
own place, doesn't matter if you're renting or buying, when
40:38
you move in to a place that is yours, have a house warming and
40:42
that's when you should get the registry.
40:44
Because let's be honest, a wedding registry is going to be
40:49
all HomeGoods. Oh I have to say this is how I
40:52
feel about baby showers when someone's on like their 4th kid.
40:56
It's like pass. But I will say my friends have
40:58
also been really great about this and now they don't call
41:00
that a baby shower, they call it a baby sprinkle.
41:02
Have you heard that term? You.
41:03
Yeah. I love that.
41:04
Yeah, where they're like, wow, this is like my third kid.
41:06
I don't need the. Don't need the gifts.
41:08
You honestly don't need to bring gifts.
41:10
We're just celebrating that another kid is coming and I'm
41:12
like that I can get behind. Absolutely.
41:14
Now we're celebrating. Yeah.
41:15
But I think that it's so like, it's just so backwards that the
41:21
time in life when we get people gifts is when they get married
41:25
because marriage is not the same like tradition and timeline in
41:31
life that it used to be. No one.
41:33
Also, like, honestly, as far as registries and getting gifts,
41:37
I'm fully on board with you. It's like when people need
41:40
stuff, that's when you should buy them gifts.
41:43
To be clear, I have no problem celebrating the milestones in my
41:47
friend's life. Exactly what you're saying.
41:50
Why do we need to get gifts for this?
41:52
We. The other thing that's changed
41:54
in our culture is that we live in a culture of stuff now.
41:58
Yeah. In 1940, you kind of Amazon a
42:01
blender to your house because you need it on a Tuesday the way
42:03
you can now. Exactly.
42:05
Registries are dumb. It's for you marrying yourself.
42:10
Yeah, well, exactly, exactly. And there's stuff you need.
42:14
Yeah, that you don't feel like buying for yourself.
42:16
I will also say, so my friends don't think I'm talking shit
42:19
about them, they're very good at celebrating me, which you have
42:23
to be if you're going to be my friend.
42:24
Duh. I'm a Leo, I celebrate my
42:26
birthday the month of July. July is birthday month, babe.
42:30
Yeah, July is my birthday. I always say that.
42:33
Oh, and you've always said that. Mm Hmm.
42:37
OK, well I'm glad that we covered this.
42:39
I am too. That's really important ground
42:40
to cover, and I know you at home needed to hear it.
42:43
Yeah, because you either agree with us or you never thought
42:46
about it. Because you're privileged and
42:47
you got married at 21 and had a baby at 23 and bought a house at
42:51
24 and fuck you if that's you. And if that's you, stop
42:56
listening. Yeah, if that's.
42:57
You. You're not my friend.
42:59
Just kidding. I love you at night.
43:02
So the girls go to Abu Dhabi, which is framed as this very
43:06
like modern, progressive, beautiful place.
43:10
And let's not, you know, let's not forget the human rights
43:15
violations, the like the wealth discrepancy, the, you know,
43:21
there's all of these things that are really messed up in that
43:25
area. But what's not scandalizing to
43:29
me is like women wearing veils. And that is the most
43:33
scandalizing thing to the four women, the most.
43:38
The problem with Abu Dhabi is that women wear burqas and that
43:43
is the thing that they need to save people from.
43:47
It's not the fact that like they're staying in a $20,000 a
43:51
night hotel room that was probably built on like
43:54
completely exploited labor because, well, and they don't
43:58
have rights. They literally each have their
44:00
own servants. Who I'm sure is being paid
44:04
basically not. They're like truly indentured
44:06
servants. No, they are because Goro or
44:09
whatever carries guy is called, he tells her he has to save up
44:14
money to visit his wife in India and it takes him six months to
44:18
save up enough to visit his wife in India from Abu Dhabi.
44:22
And so, you know, these people are, Oh, my gosh.
44:24
Maybe big and I can spend time apart, That's what she thinks.
44:28
That is her take away, she. Does eventually she does leave
44:31
him airfare? For all I think is his name.
44:34
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she does. I mean she's she's a well
44:37
meaning white woman. But what I love most about this
44:41
cast of characters is meeting the man Abdul, like Paula.
44:47
Samantha is Butler. Yeah, and he is a homo.
44:52
Oh, for sure. But he's an Abu Dhabi.
44:55
And so there is the scene where she says, I think my Butler
44:59
might be gay. I asked him about his personal
45:03
life and he said it's private. And I then I asked if he was in
45:07
a relationship and he said that was private.
45:10
And then I asked his name and he said Abdul, like Paula.
45:14
And it's like, yeah, that's the joke.
45:16
He also has makes eyes when Ricard leaves.
45:20
He has like a little. Reaction.
45:21
And that was so cute. When Samantha calls Ricard
45:25
Lawrence of my labia. Girl.
45:30
I mean, I hope you have a running list of things they say
45:33
that are borderline offensive. I do OK, I'm sorry.
45:35
Do you want me to? Do you want me to run through
45:38
them? I mean I just want to make sure
45:39
loose rubies is on there. You got any loose rubies?
45:43
I know. I should have packed my burka.
45:45
Oh yeah. Lawrence of my labia.
45:48
Yep. Thank Allah.
45:55
Abu Dhabi do, obviously, yeah. And they're countless more, but
45:59
those are kind of the ones that really.
46:01
Well, OK, lots of. Oh, magic carpet, did I say?
46:06
That no, you didn't, which I was going to say lots of references
46:09
to magic carpets cause like that's Kerry's first reaction to
46:12
them going to the Middle East is like, I've always fantasized
46:16
about being in the Middle East Jahara nights or something like
46:20
that. And flying carpets.
46:23
And they're all just like, oh, yeah.
46:25
Oh. My God, same girl.
46:27
I mean, I will say my favorite is Hanji Hanji and I always hear
46:32
it in Samantha Samantha's voice. Of course, Hanji.
46:36
Oh my God, kill me. But loose rubies, Got any loose
46:40
rubies? Because she says, yeah, how do
46:42
we tip in Abu Dhabi? And Carrie goes, got any loose
46:44
rubies? Do you know Rubies is our
46:47
birthstone? I did know that.
46:49
So I thought that was like a nice little July thing.
46:53
I'm going to start saying it. Yeah, I'm going to start saying
46:56
it. But I'm not talking about the
46:58
Middle East. I'm talking about July.
47:02
Yeah, absolutely. So OK, they take they take
47:05
Samantha's hormones away from her and she is just a sweaty
47:08
mess the whole time. I thought like part of me was
47:11
like, yeah, of course. They're like, they're doing a
47:12
little fan service that a lot of people who are watching this are
47:15
going to be Gen. X women who are of a certain
47:19
age. They're going through menopause
47:20
and they're like, oh, same girl. But but I did think that it was
47:24
a little bit, it was just setting up the absolute cringe
47:34
of Samantha not being able to keep any clothes on, which is,
47:37
of course, like, you know, offensive to the people
47:41
surrounding her. And she was.
47:43
Having hot flashes and understood that she doesn't want
47:46
to be wearing a lot of layers. But I was like, girl, just wear
47:49
a linen, you know, that's kind of what I was thinking.
47:52
So. But of course, again, they make
47:55
that the central point of like, Abu Dhabi is so backwards
47:59
because like, there's hostility toward her, like not respecting,
48:05
like the modesty culture, rather than like, again, the literal
48:11
servants I know assigned to each of them.
48:14
And they're like, Oh my God, don't you love that?
48:17
I mean, I will say it's a little refreshing that at least the
48:20
servants are men. So true, but we still don't
48:24
endorse indentured service. Or I want to say that very
48:30
clearly. Yeah, but I am happy that it
48:32
wasn't like you each have a woman assigned to you.
48:36
Yeah, give them up 1 little plus for that.
48:40
I like to see men working. Make them work.
48:45
No, but yeah, you're totally right.
48:47
And and it also gets so ridiculous, Samantha Jones
48:52
resorts to coating her body in smashed yams to try to get the
48:57
estrogen out of them. And I'm like, OK.
49:02
Yeah, I mean, I understand that when you, when you bring like
49:08
skin care products and things like that on a plane and TSA
49:13
takes it away from you, it's tragic 'cause they have no, they
49:17
don't understand how much a tiny little bottle of serum cost.
49:22
They don't understand what you have to go through to get that.
49:26
And so I was like, Samantha, I get it.
49:30
But also, it was a tired storyline.
49:33
This is a woman who is now back in New York, living her best
49:38
life once again. She's she's booked and blessed
49:42
at work. She's single again.
49:45
She's, this is supposed to be a renaissance for Samantha.
49:48
And instead we spend the entire movie seeing her, you know, in
49:52
the bath, covered in yams and taking her clothes off 'cause
49:56
she has hot flashes. Yeah, it, it's not a great look.
50:00
And honestly, as far as like behind the scenes Kim Cattrall,
50:05
the reason that she said no to a third movie is because she's
50:08
like, I'm so sorry, but you cannot come up with good
50:11
stories. Like the stories have run out.
50:14
And to this I have to say, you know, there was a long time
50:17
where I was angry cause Kim Cattrall in my opinion had
50:21
ruined. There was supposed to be 3
50:23
movies and they didn't do the third one because they were
50:26
like, if all four of them don't sign on, we're not doing it.
50:30
Which is why they didn't call the new series Sex and the City
50:34
because without Samantha it's a new show.
50:37
And so for a long time I was bitter.
50:38
But when I watch this back now I think about Kim Cattrall and the
50:43
really groundbreaking stuff she did on this series Sex and the
50:47
City. I mean, up until the end with
50:49
her breast cancer storyline. And it was again reductive to
50:54
the character, kind of like Charlotte in the first movie.
50:57
It was reductive. It was really reductive.
50:59
And also I think it just plays on the trope that when a woman
51:02
turns 50, she's expired and all she can do is complain about her
51:05
hot flashes. It's like I.
51:08
Heard a rumor and I want to tell you if I want to ask if you've
51:11
ever heard this. OK, tell me.
51:13
I have heard that in the original script, that was going
51:17
to be the third Sex in the City movie, Samantha's storyline was
51:21
going to be that she had sex with a barely legal Brady,
51:26
Miranda's son. And that was when she was like,
51:31
I'm not doing that. Oh my God, I've never heard
51:36
that. And I kind of believed that they
51:39
would try and make her do it. That is so fucking dark.
51:45
Yeah. And when I heard that, that was
51:47
the, that was when I was like, OK, if that's true, then IA
51:52
1000% don't blame her. Of course.
51:56
Now she also has the feud with Sarah Jessica Parker.
51:58
Famously. Course I don't.
52:00
I've, I don't know well enough to pick sides.
52:03
A lot of people ask me. So who do you think is right?
52:05
I bet it's both of them. Yeah, they're both Divas, I'm
52:08
sure. I was just going to say neither
52:09
of them are like nice people. Yeah, I doubt it.
52:12
I wouldn't. If I was a movie star, I
52:14
wouldn't be. I'd be a monster.
52:16
I'm not a movie. Star, I'd lose all my friends.
52:19
We're Leo's. Yeah, we're monsters.
52:21
Anyway, so yeah, for a long time I didn't get what she meant by
52:27
saying that. But now upon watching this, I'm
52:29
like, it is kind of a bummer that this movie is Samantha
52:33
Jones final act other than her cameo.
52:36
And then just like that, which again, is very short and kind of
52:40
reductive, it's kind of sad that that's how she went out.
52:44
And like, this is one thing that I don't love that Michael
52:48
Patrick King did. He's a great man who's done a
52:50
lot of great things. But this is one of the decisions
52:53
that I am like, oof. You kind of come up with a
52:56
better storyline for Samantha A A a leader in the depiction of
53:03
women's liberation on screen couldn't have a better storyline
53:08
as she travels to the Middle East.
53:10
Yeah, like helping. I would.
53:11
I would have loved to see a storyline where she meets a
53:16
young woman who she empowers. Yeah.
53:19
That would have been great it. Would have been great if she had
53:21
her own Saint Louise of Saint Louis.
53:25
That would have been amazing because I think in the series
53:29
especially, Samantha's role was like very big sisterly.
53:33
And even if it became because of her age, if it became more of
53:37
like a maternal vibe, I would have loved that.
53:40
Me too. Or even if she had done that
53:43
with Abdul, yeah, she had the opportunity to be like, I want
53:48
you to feel empowered. You're in this culture.
53:51
But instead it was about her and her hormones.
53:53
Yeah, and about her being completely oblivious to the fact
53:59
that, like, she was drawing attention to herself.
54:03
She was like, oh, who cares? Yeah, and Miranda's like you're
54:06
being disrespectful. Yeah, she's like, we're going to
54:09
get in trouble for this. Like, I really don't believe
54:12
that Samantha, the Samantha that we know, the Samantha from the
54:16
Sex and the City show, would have sex on the beach in Abu
54:20
Dhabi knowing that she could get arrested.
54:24
Yeah, I don't. Think, I think that she cares
54:25
too much about her career. She knows that it would
54:28
compromise her career and I think that she would prioritize
54:31
that. She loves sex, but she loves her
54:33
career more. Yeah, she would not have let her
54:36
reputation dwindle like that to the sheep shake.
54:39
Absolutely. So.
54:43
So like really, All in all the it's a pretty reductive and
54:49
racist depiction of people from the Middle East.
54:53
It is cringe when the women go to the karaoke bar and they sing
55:00
I Am Woman Hear Me Roar. It is, first of all, so funny,
55:05
and it's not supposed to be funny, but it is.
55:08
Yeah, it's funny for the wrong reasons.
55:10
Exactly. And it's very much like like
55:14
girl power, you know what I mean?
55:16
Very Gen. X again.
55:17
Exactly, and if you're Gen. X, we do love you but.
55:21
But God. You're brand of feminism.
55:24
Yeah, Jesus Christ. Girl, and you know, the the ways
55:29
in which they're so like oblivious to the culture and
55:34
embody all the reasons why people hate American tourists is
55:37
just like it's right in your face.
55:40
I feel embarrassed on their behalf.
55:41
I have second hand embarrassment thinking, Oh my God, if I
55:45
somehow ended up in Abu Dhabi, would people think I'm going to
55:50
be like Carrie? You know what I'm saying?
55:51
Or or Samantha, because actually that is a line that Ricard says
55:56
to Samantha when she says, oh, Ricard, like Richard, so your
56:00
name is Dick Spurt. And he goes, Could she be any
56:04
more American? Such a read?
56:06
I don't think so. I don't think so.
56:08
It is such a read. And he says it like a little
56:11
joke, but I'm like, he means it. Oh, he means it.
56:14
I'm going to start saying that to people.
56:16
Could you be anymore American? You're a little Dutch.
56:20
I've never been off this continent, but I will say that
56:24
to people from now on. Yeah, I mean, it's like you've
56:27
been to Abu Dhabi because you've seen it on.
56:29
TV. Well, I basically have been to
56:30
Abu Dhabi. Basically just like the women at
56:33
the end of the movie who they meet in the basically like
56:37
women's empowerment circle. It's so bad where they shed.
56:40
And there was no point to that by.
56:41
The shed their veils. They say, we've never been to
56:44
New York, but we appreciate the fashion.
56:47
They're like, oh, how sad these women that can't leave.
56:50
They can't leave their home country, but they love our
56:54
fashion and they and they realize that they have more in
56:58
common than they do differences from these women in burkas who
57:02
worship them because they're from New York.
57:05
Yeah, and for some reason are hanging out in like a shed in
57:09
120 degree heat wearing their burqas over their fashion.
57:15
Yeah, it was a very bad plot point.
57:18
It was. It was gratuitous in the worst
57:20
way. It.
57:21
Captured the the like American nationalism of it all.
57:27
Of being like we are what everyone wants to be.
57:32
Everyone wants to be a New Yorker.
57:34
Everyone wants to dress like us. Everyone wants to be like us.
57:38
Everyone wants to live where we live.
57:40
They want to be us because we are superior.
57:43
That's what it, that's what it felt like.
57:45
And they were like, Oh my God, how cute these women.
57:49
They do their hair underneath their burkas.
57:51
Yeah, and how lucky we are. And then the women to sneak out
57:56
of the market. My God.
57:59
Borrow some burkas. Yeah, if you ever want to see
58:05
Kristen Davis, Cynthia Nixon, Kim Cattrall and Sarah Jessica
58:08
Parker in burkas, you get to win this movie.
58:12
Should they have done it? Probably not.
58:13
Absolutely not. Should they have done the call
58:16
back to the movie from the 1930s where the woman hikes her skirt
58:21
up a little bit to show her leg? It happened one night.
58:24
Yeah, it. Happened one night.
58:25
So again, it's suggesting that in Abu Dhabi they're living in
58:30
the 1930s, that they're so backwards that they are like
58:34
treat women so badly and like, yes, there are a lot of, there
58:38
are a lot of like women's rights violations in Abu Dhabi, but.
58:46
Showing your It's not treated as a problem, it's treated as
58:50
something they can make a caricature out of.
58:53
It's like, Oh my gosh, it's so cute.
58:54
These men, they never see women's bodies, so they're going
58:57
to go crazy over a leg like they're some fucking wacko in
59:01
the 1930s. Yeah, like the cartoon wolf with
59:04
his eyes popping out. Ooga.
59:06
Exactly. There's one more thing I think
59:09
we really need to cover. Yeah.
59:11
Which is that when Carrie comes back home.
59:15
And I'm so sorry if this was already in your notes, but no.
59:17
That the last thing in my notes was not Carrie flashing her leg.
59:20
Oh, great. OK, so yeah, this this is the
59:23
conclusion of the movie. The girls fly home.
59:27
Charlotte realizes, Oh, the nanny's a lesbian.
59:31
Anyway, Harry's not going to cheat with her, because she
59:33
wouldn't even want Harry. Never mind the fact that Harry
59:36
just wouldn't do that, right? Of course, Miranda joins a firm
59:41
where she can be an appreciated lawyer and people are nice to
59:45
her and she has a seat at the table.
59:48
Yay. That's her whole story.
59:50
That's the whole story. And then Samantha has sex on the
59:53
beach in the good old US of A where she can have sex on the
59:57
beach with the. Land of the Free.
59:58
The Land of the Free The last shot besides her cameo in And
1:00:01
Just like That of Samantha Jones in this universe, is having sex
1:00:05
on the beach, which I kind of love.
1:00:08
Really. I do.
1:00:10
I mean, yes, career. Yeah, but like, yes, like her
1:00:15
being sexually liberated. Yes, it's about the liberation
1:00:18
to me. Yeah, it is a little MAGA Y that
1:00:21
it's like a under. It's on the 4th of July under
1:00:24
red, white and blue fireworks. I did laugh out loud.
1:00:27
I could live without that. Yeah.
1:00:29
Carrie's conclusion? She comes home big, did not pick
1:00:34
her up from the airport like he promised.
1:00:36
Probably because he's mad because she kissed her ex.
1:00:38
And called him in the middle of a work day to tell him.
1:00:41
Yeah, and was a selfish bitch about it.
1:00:44
And I love her and I'm a selfish bitch.
1:00:46
So I'm saying that not out of judgement, but out of.
1:00:48
Love and look, you can say that because some of your best
1:00:51
friends are selfish bitches. Yeah, exactly.
1:00:54
And again, I'm. I am one.
1:00:55
Yeah. So she comes home.
1:00:58
She's stunned for some reason that he's not waiting for her.
1:01:01
He eventually comes home and he tells her what her punishment
1:01:05
is. And her punishment is that even
1:01:08
though at first she didn't wear a ring, now she has to wear a
1:01:11
ring so that she can remember that she's married and she
1:01:15
doesn't want a traditional diamond.
1:01:17
So what's on it? A black diamond.
1:01:19
And he, she goes, why is it a black diamond?
1:01:23
And he goes, because you're one-of-a-kind.
1:01:25
Because you're not like. You're not like other girls,
1:01:28
which is her favorite thing to hear, which I kind of got it
1:01:31
saying I'm not like other girls too.
1:01:34
And she goes, oh, I thought you were going to say, because it's
1:01:36
the color of my soul. Oh my God.
1:01:38
Her punishment is that she has to wear a diamond ring and
1:01:41
that's her punishment for kissing Aiden.
1:01:43
And honestly, like the fact that he was like, OK, I walked around
1:01:47
all day. I was really upset.
1:01:49
And then he comes home and realizes like, OK, he's Aiden is
1:01:53
not a real threat. No.
1:01:55
It was a mistake and like, we're going to be fine.
1:01:58
I was like, thank God I didn't need them to make this another
1:02:02
Stephen Miranda. No.
1:02:04
From the first movie, no. I was so glad that they just
1:02:08
wrapped it up. Yeah, they had to at that point
1:02:11
because, by the way, this movie's 2 1/2 hours, and this
1:02:14
was at the end where you're kind of just like, all right, Yeah,
1:02:17
Even me. Yeah.
1:02:18
And I honestly would probably watch 2 1/2 hours of Carrie
1:02:21
flipping through Vogue magazine. But like, even I at the end of
1:02:24
this movie, I'm like, OK. Yeah.
1:02:27
That's enough. I was good for 11 years to learn
1:02:29
just like that. Yeah, yeah.
1:02:32
So yeah, that's the T. And just like that, they ruined
1:02:37
Sex and the City for a short time.
1:02:40
Yeah, yeah, I feel OK saying that if.
1:02:43
OK, I know that a lot of people, a lot of your haters really
1:02:49
didn't like and just like that, but if they had ended Sex and
1:02:54
the City on Sex and the City 2. Which they did for a long time.
1:02:59
Which? They did for a while.
1:03:00
I feel like the the universe was still out of whack and I feel
1:03:08
like the fact that they hadn't just like that, even if it was
1:03:11
not that good, it was better than Sex and the City 2 and I
1:03:16
can say that without having seen it.
1:03:18
Because what 1000? Because truly, what could be
1:03:22
worse than Sex and the City 2? No and just like that, honestly,
1:03:26
if you watch the whole series of Sex and the City and you watch
1:03:29
the 2 movies, don't end with the second movie.
1:03:33
Either stop after the first movie or go all the way till the
1:03:37
end of and just like That. And honestly go to the end of
1:03:40
And just like That. Because the way I look at this
1:03:43
universe, the series is act one, the movies are act 2, and then
1:03:48
just like That is act 3. Really.
1:03:50
Yes, OK. And you will see a full-fledged
1:03:52
Carrie Bradshaw development in the three acts.
1:03:55
If I watched the first episode of And Just Like That and I
1:04:00
watched the finale of And Just Like That, could I do that?
1:04:06
Honestly, you probably could because they kind of call back
1:04:12
to the beginning of the first season of And just Like That at
1:04:14
the very end, yeah. But everyone gets a happy
1:04:18
ending. Yeah.
1:04:20
It was not a planned series finale, but I think they kind of
1:04:23
knew. So there are not cliffhangers,
1:04:24
which is good, thank God. But it could have been a better
1:04:27
series finale. But the most important thing is
1:04:30
Carrie Bradshaw becomes fully realized as a post big woman.
1:04:35
Yeah. So it is worth it.
1:04:37
I, this is, I'm telling you, watching just like that.
1:04:40
Don't let Sex and the City 2 be the final thing you watch from
1:04:43
this universe. That's all I got to say.
1:04:45
At least just like go back to your favorite episode from the
1:04:48
series as a palate cleanser to remember what you what you may
1:04:53
have loved about it. Or if you haven't seen the
1:04:56
series, just pick an episode from the series.
1:05:00
True. OK.
1:05:01
True, Luna. Is it about time that we wrap it
1:05:04
up? She's saying excuse me, excuse.
1:05:06
Me. Wow.
1:05:07
We got through this whole episode without plugging your
1:05:09
book. A mural in space.
1:05:11
A gay boy's memoir. Oh my God.
1:05:13
And just like that, I remembered so Luna.
1:05:19
Come here. It's OK, we're we're wrapping
1:05:22
up. Luna can stay here for the
1:05:23
conclusion. She just loves talking about my
1:05:25
book. She is a reader, and so if you
1:05:29
haven't gotten a copy of Cameron's book or if you haven't
1:05:32
listened to it on audiobook, what are you waiting for?
1:05:36
Yeah, a mural in space. A gay boys memoir.
1:05:39
By Cameron Tyler By Cameron Tyler with AK.
1:05:42
That's Cameron with AK. My first book's called Lucas
1:05:45
with AK. You can also listen to that
1:05:46
because I'm like Carrie Bradshaw.
1:05:48
I write books. He writes books.
1:05:51
And by the way, in And just like that, she switches to fiction.
1:05:55
Really. So like Carrie Bradshaw, I write
1:05:57
fiction, non fiction. I have a podcast, I live in the
1:06:00
city, I have fabulous friends and I'm a mess and I'm selfish.
1:06:05
And just like that. And just like that, he became
1:06:07
Carrie. That's me in a nutshell.
1:06:09
Oh my God, Carrie with AK. Carrie, with AK, like John
1:06:19
Cameron, is there anything else that you think the listener
1:06:21
should know or anything else from this train wreck that we
1:06:24
didn't cover? I think that we covered all of
1:06:27
the important things. I just like.
1:06:29
I want to go on the record and say this movie is horrible and I
1:06:33
love it and I'll never not love it.
1:06:35
It has a special place in my heart.
1:06:37
Even though it is the worst part of this universe, I would still
1:06:41
choose it a million times over 'cause I am that devoted.
1:06:47
Yikes, I wouldn't and I do. I really enjoy the series, don't
1:06:53
get me wrong, and the first movie has its shortcomings, but
1:06:56
overall still a pleasant experience.
1:06:59
I love the first movie. 5 stars for me.
1:07:02
This was the second time that I had watched Sex and the City 2,
1:07:07
and I did it for homework, of course, and I'm I don't imagine
1:07:10
that I'll ever watch it again. Never say never, OK?
1:07:16
All right. Listeners, thank you so much for
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1:07:35
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1:07:37
I'm like Miranda. Oh my God, some of us have a
1:07:39
job. Yeah.
1:07:42
And thank you to Luna the dog for being here and for being
1:07:45
cute and perfect. And thank you, Cameron.
1:07:48
Oh my God, thank you for having me and thanks for coming on my
1:07:53
show. You're.
1:07:53
So welcome. Yes, again, listener, go back
1:07:56
and listen to the crossover episode on the Cameron Show
1:08:00
where we talk about the first Sex in the City.
1:08:03
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1:08:05
Obviously. If you don't watch the Cameron
1:08:07
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And today that is so true. Today, that's literally true.
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OK, love you all. Bye.
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