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Do The Buckeyes Need To Get More Aggressive On Offense? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes Tomorrow morning for Wednesday, September third, I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Tom wore the Grambling game in three days,
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  Speaker 1: I'm joined by Tony Gerderman here on the indoor field
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  Speaker 1: at the what He Hayes Athletic Center.
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  Speaker 2: Tony, we just got a chance to talk to.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Day in what I would characterize is something other
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  Speaker 1: than a massive upset. Most of the conversation centered around
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  Speaker 1: the Texas game rather than the upcoming Grambling game. One
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  Speaker 1: of the first questions that Ryan da was asked us
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  Speaker 1: about the performance of Julian, saying, how that all you know,
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  Speaker 1: how he sort of grated out the play that everyone's
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  Speaker 1: been talking about. I talked about with Ross on yesterday show.
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  Speaker 1: The fourth and one play in was Jeremiah Smith there, So,
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  Speaker 1: just how did Ryan Day feel like that first Julian
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  Speaker 1: say and start.
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  Speaker 3: Went yeah, and he echoed what he said after the
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  Speaker 3: game where he said everything that Julian saying was telling
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  Speaker 3: him off on the sideline. What I'm seeing is all
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  Speaker 3: understood Ryan Day, and he was giving him the right answers.
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  Speaker 3: In terms of that fourth down play, he said that
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  Speaker 3: Julian saw the backside safety running back, which we talked about.
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  Speaker 3: We were doing diagrams on the message board. The Buckeye
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  Speaker 3: had a message board presented by Jeffruby's Columbus of like,
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  Speaker 3: you look at a couple of stills, and you do
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  Speaker 3: see the backside quarter taking off because he's he's just
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  Speaker 3: dropping back and so out of the If that's immediately
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  Speaker 3: what Julian saying sees is like, Okay, there's somebody going
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  Speaker 3: to be back there double, you know, providing help for
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  Speaker 3: the corner. Then I'm going to go over to Max Claire.
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  Speaker 3: And if he had stayed a little bit longer than
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  Speaker 3: he probably would have seen that, yeah, I could have
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  Speaker 3: taken a shot. But by that time then this play
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  Speaker 3: might not be So like all of this conversation that
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  Speaker 3: Ryan Day and Julian sayand are having, it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: you can understand it. And over the course of a
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  Speaker 3: like all of it was the conversations were good and
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  Speaker 3: the play was acceptable. He graded out a champion granted
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  Speaker 3: over eighty percent. That's decision making that throws. He said,
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  Speaker 3: his teammates need to do a better job of helping
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  Speaker 3: him out in a in a big game start, you
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  Speaker 3: got to catch the ball. They're at least three drops,
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  Speaker 3: so he's like drop adjusted. The completion percent edge of
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  Speaker 3: it was was probably about eighty percent. And so overall
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  Speaker 3: a very conservative game plan but operated exactly as you
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  Speaker 3: would want it to be. And they could, as you said,
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  Speaker 3: they could have gotten more aggressive, but at in the
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  Speaker 3: situation they didn't need to and it worked out right.
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  Speaker 1: And that was the next thing I was gonna ask about,
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  Speaker 1: was that were they too conservative?
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  Speaker 2: Were they not aggressive enough?
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  Speaker 1: Did they need And he did give one example of
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  Speaker 1: that last drive where they probably could have been a
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  Speaker 1: little more aggressive on that first down call.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, that's something that I know that certain
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  Speaker 2: people have got real stirred up about that. Look at
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  Speaker 2: their if you look at the stats, the stats are
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  Speaker 2: not very good.
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  Speaker 1: It's like this is when Ryan Day just kind of
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  Speaker 1: points to the scoreboard and goes, this is what we're
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  Speaker 1: worried about, right, now you want stats, that'll come up
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday. You'll get plenty of stats on you might
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  Speaker 1: have been called Tony Saturday, but Saturday that was that
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  Speaker 1: was about.
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  Speaker 2: There's the game with more points than Texas did.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I think Ryan Day sort of talked
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  Speaker 1: about this a couple of times. I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: interesting that he did, you know, sort of say, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there were there was times when I would have liked
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  Speaker 1: to see us been a little more aggressive. But on
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  Speaker 1: the whole, the approach was the approach, and it had
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  Speaker 1: to do with a lot of other stuff, including how
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  Speaker 1: the defense was playing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's kind of why he talked about it
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  Speaker 3: being an unselfish play calling day by Brian Hartline because
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  Speaker 3: he wasn't putting the defense in the badspot, which is
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  Speaker 3: something you don't want your offensive coordinator to do where
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  Speaker 3: they're just consistently, you know, throwing picks or just being
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  Speaker 3: stuck deep like because they got pinned a lot by
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  Speaker 3: the Texas special team. So you want to get out
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  Speaker 3: as far as you can and not just you know,
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  Speaker 3: you're putting from the back of the end zone and
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  Speaker 3: you're giving Texas the ball. At the Ohio State forty
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  Speaker 3: and you're like, here you go. Defense, They're trying to
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  Speaker 3: avoid some of that, and so I thought overall they
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  Speaker 3: they did well enough. As Ryan Day said, this won't
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  Speaker 3: be good enough of aggression won't be good enough moving forward.
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  Speaker 3: The level of execution. They need more explosive plays. They
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  Speaker 3: just it wasn't necessarily there. The one that they wanted
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  Speaker 3: to take was the first drive of the game to
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  Speaker 3: show that they'll they'll do it, and then of course
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  Speaker 3: they got the one too Carnell Tate later on. But overall,
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  Speaker 3: it was just let's not do anything stupid because right
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  Speaker 3: now Smart is winning.
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  Speaker 1: Right and if Texas had put up a touchdown in
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  Speaker 1: the first half, that probably changes the approach, but they didn't,
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  Speaker 1: so it didn't. So I think there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: different stuff that kind of plays all in together into
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  Speaker 1: how this goes. One of the things that played into
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  Speaker 1: that was the play at the offensive line. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is certainly, again a work in progress. Everything about
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  Speaker 1: Brian Day's press conference today felt like it was, well,
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  Speaker 1: we were pretty happy with how this went, but we
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  Speaker 1: know it's got to get a lot better. And this
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  Speaker 1: is not you know, this is not the end of
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  Speaker 1: the road, and all that kind of stuff. But it
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  Speaker 1: seemed like, broadly, for a team that ran for two
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  Speaker 1: point one every yards and finished with two hundred and
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  Speaker 1: three yards and three point eight yards per play and
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  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, it seemed like, broadly, he
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  Speaker 1: was reasonably happy with how the offensive line. Point.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he credited the fact that Austin Seerveld and
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  Speaker 3: Daniels are both getting their first starts at those positions
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  Speaker 3: as buck eyes first start for Austin Siraveld at tackle
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  Speaker 3: and playing some pretty good pass rushers. And you didn't
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  Speaker 3: hear Colin Simmons' name at all in this game, the
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  Speaker 3: freshman All American, the freshman of the Year in college
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  Speaker 3: football last year, defense been well.
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  Speaker 2: Was there another good friend there was?
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  Speaker 3: You can think of, not even one, not even one.
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  Speaker 3: So those two guys did well, And he said, Philip Daniels,
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  Speaker 3: it was this consistency that won him the job. In camp,
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  Speaker 3: Nathan Onion was still going to be involved at right guard,
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  Speaker 3: right tackle. You saw some mixing in at right guard
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  Speaker 3: with Thanker Cibola there. Overall, Okay, I think the thing
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  Speaker 3: to remember is they rushed for a few a little
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  Speaker 3: fewer yards than they did against Texas last year, so
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  Speaker 3: we're not judging the twenty twenty four Higher State runing
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  Speaker 3: game on what he did against Texas. I think the
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  Speaker 3: Texas defensive line was the defensive tackles were better than
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  Speaker 3: I expected because they brought on all of these guys
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  Speaker 3: and there's some big dudes in there and it was
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  Speaker 3: tough sledding. So we'll see exactly how much to assume
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  Speaker 3: this is how it's going to be. It won't be
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  Speaker 3: this way this week, clearly, but I don't expect this
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  Speaker 3: to be the norm because you're not going to be
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  Speaker 3: facing a Texas defensive line and their linebackers very often.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, probably not again. This in the regular season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, in the regular season is a good caveat to
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  Speaker 1: put on that. There was some question about, hey, CJ.
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  Speaker 1: Dohnson was the starter, What is that? You know he
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  Speaker 1: had more carries than James Peoples.
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: And the answer was, I wouldn't read anything into it.
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  Speaker 1: People's finished with ten carries. I think Ryan Day said
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  Speaker 1: that that pre Van Henderson had like what one or
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  Speaker 1: two games maybe with more.
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  Speaker 2: Than ten carries in the regular season.
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  Speaker 3: I think his high was twelve last year, and he
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  Speaker 3: did a couple of times and the high for Queen
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  Speaker 3: John Kinch and I think we talked about this in
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  Speaker 3: a previous show, since sixteen or seventeen, and so CJ.
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  Speaker 3: Donaldson getting those nineteen I think it was just we
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  Speaker 3: need the guy that can run hard and fall forward.
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  Speaker 3: That was this kind of game. There may be another
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  Speaker 3: game where it's like we need James Peoples to be this,
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  Speaker 3: you know, out in space more or whatever they want
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  Speaker 3: from him, where maybe he's the guy that is. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know that there's gonna be another nineteen carry game
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  Speaker 3: this season because I don't know if there's going to
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  Speaker 3: be too many. Maybe Michigan or Penn State may state
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  Speaker 3: where it's like, what kind of running game are you
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  Speaker 3: looking for? Although maybe we need to raise the expectations
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  Speaker 3: because Will Howard is not taking any of these snaps away,
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  Speaker 3: these carries away from the running backs, and Julian saying
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  Speaker 3: may only be taking one.
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  Speaker 1: Away, and in this case, Brian Day talked about the
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  Speaker 1: fact that when they're up in the second half, they win,
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  Speaker 1: in figuring if you're up, you're going to try and
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  Speaker 1: just shorten the game. If the defense is playing well,
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  Speaker 1: just shorten the game. Get the heck out of their limit.
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  Speaker 1: The opportunities for Texas to do something on offense they
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  Speaker 1: did worked out okay on the dsive slid ball.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned earlier that.
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  Speaker 1: The quote about being unselfish in terms of play calling
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  Speaker 1: on offense, he also talked about being unselfish in terms
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  Speaker 1: of stats on defense and how that's you know that
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  Speaker 1: plus having some really good players that can do a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of different stuff really makes them pretty dangerous and
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  Speaker 1: pretty dynamic on it.
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  Speaker 3: I think back to Caleb Downs as a freshman had
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  Speaker 3: like thirty more tackles than anybody else on the Alabama team,
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  Speaker 3: and last year he was what third on the team
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  Speaker 3: in tackles, and he had maybe four tackles in this game.
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  Speaker 3: And it's you got a lot of people flying around
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  Speaker 3: and doing different things, like Caleb Downs was in coverage
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  Speaker 3: quite a bit. He is asked to do different things
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  Speaker 3: and he's not just we need you to tackle like so,
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  Speaker 3: and everybody's asked to do specific things and what you're
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  Speaker 3: doing right here may not lead to a tackle, but
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  Speaker 3: we need you to do it because it's important. And
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  Speaker 3: everybody has bought in defensively, and you see the result,
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  Speaker 3: and this was I think it when Michael Pettitt wrote
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  Speaker 3: on the The Bucket Huddle his breakdown of the defense, saying,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you go in expecting this to be maybe
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  Speaker 3: the same defense you saw with some tweaks by Matt Patricia,
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  Speaker 3: but this is entirely new defensive scheme and you got
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  Speaker 3: to credit the players for not just to buy in
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  Speaker 3: but being able to do it. You can buy it
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  Speaker 3: all you want, and you still do it, and they
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  Speaker 3: were able to do both.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and one of the guys who was able to
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  Speaker 1: do pretty much everything they needed him to with Jalen McClain.
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  Speaker 1: This was Brianday couldn't remember if he made a start
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  Speaker 1: last year. I don't remember him starting.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: I think he made one start when Lathan Ransom was out.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so one start last year.
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  Speaker 1: But he, you know, this was obviously his biggest role
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  Speaker 1: by a wide margin. Played every snap on defense. He
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  Speaker 1: was really good. And you know, I think we sort
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  Speaker 1: of went into fall camp thinking like, well they might
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  Speaker 1: mix and match guys there a certain amount, and he
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  Speaker 1: played every snap and Malie Carter played no snap.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's obviously going to change quite a bit this weekend, but.
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  Speaker 1: Jalen McClain, it sure feels like they think they've really
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  Speaker 1: found something with him.
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  Speaker 2: In the back end, it.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of reminds me of like I'm gonna say, it
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  Speaker 3: reminds me of Caleb Downs. But just understand what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna add Caleb Downs to the Jeremiah Smith Orlando
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  Speaker 1: Pace do not comp this player.
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  Speaker 3: But in terms of he can play all over. He
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  Speaker 3: gets to the ball, he finds the ball, he tackles
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  Speaker 3: the ball. That's what I mean because we saw him.
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  Speaker 3: There's time where he's playing in the box. There's times
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  Speaker 3: where he's the deep safety. We know there be times
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  Speaker 3: where he's at nickel and however they move about. But
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  Speaker 3: the trust in what he can do and the idea
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  Speaker 3: that they have confidence that whatever they ask him to
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  Speaker 3: do he can do. He's a soft That's he's an
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  Speaker 3: advanced player. He started, you know he was. He was
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  Speaker 3: in the two deep last year as a true freshman.
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  Speaker 3: This is an advanced guy. So they realize, Okay, we
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  Speaker 3: can ask a lot of him, and they do. And
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  Speaker 3: as Randy said, he and Caleb Downs compliment each other
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  Speaker 3: very well. And I think it's because they're they're similar.
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  Speaker 3: And again I'm not saying Jalen mclin's gonna be a
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  Speaker 3: top ten pick. I'm just saying you can see some
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  Speaker 3: of you can see why coaches like Jalen McLean I'll say.
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  Speaker 1: That, Yeah, that's that's that's fair for sure. Now, the
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  Speaker 1: moving forward piece of this is really interesting because this
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  Speaker 1: is not a normal This has not been a normal
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  Speaker 1: fall for Ohio State.
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  Speaker 2: Normally, fall camp is a.
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  Speaker 1: Lot about Okay, you're gonna improve or your individual stuff
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  Speaker 1: and you're focused on your you're focused on your fundamentals
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  Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. So much of fall
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  Speaker 1: camp and so much of the preparation was like open
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  Speaker 1: just about the Texas game.
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Day talked about it.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Da had the countdown every time you talked to Ryanda,
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  Speaker 1: he knew how many days they were to the Texas game.
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  Speaker 1: That Texas game was a really a key focus for
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  Speaker 1: them throughout the months of June, July, August. Now that
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  Speaker 1: that's in the rearview mirror and you've got grambling in
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  Speaker 1: Ohio and then an off week before they go out
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  Speaker 1: too to Washington, now it feels like the focus you're
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  Speaker 1: almost doing this like it's like the backwards episode of
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  Speaker 1: Seinfeld where Okay, you've done your real intense prep for
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  Speaker 1: your team, and now you're sort of working. Now it
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  Speaker 1: seems like they're going to be working backwards and now
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  Speaker 1: it's you know, get practice might be a little more
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  Speaker 1: like camp, not necessarily physical. Can't have been more physical,
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  Speaker 1: and now this is maybe getting more into the fundamentals
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  Speaker 1: and addressing the issues that showed up during the Texas.
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  Speaker 3: The Texas game is a data dump. Basically, Okay, now
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  Speaker 3: we know everything. We know a bunch more the reverse
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  Speaker 3: engineer the Ohio State team based on that game, and
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  Speaker 3: now you put it back together over the course of
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  Speaker 3: the next few weeks. But he was talking about just
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  Speaker 3: in terms of seeing how guys operate against like competition
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  Speaker 3: on special games running down to kick. The execution level
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  Speaker 3: of every single player that played was tested in this
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  Speaker 3: game and judged, and they can build off of every
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  Speaker 3: single snap that was taken. So just a lot of information.
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  Speaker 3: It's like when you get your Foyer request back, you're like,
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  Speaker 3: oh crap, there's a lot to go through and it's like,
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  Speaker 3: this is great, this is what I wanted. But now
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  Speaker 3: you've got it, and so what are you going to
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  Speaker 3: do with that? And there's a lot of work to do.
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  Speaker 2: There is a lot of work to do.
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  Speaker 1: That work will start all week in practice and then Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: before and after Saturdays, but halftime band concert, The Grambling
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  Speaker 1: Band is coming up up Tony. Do you know did
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  Speaker 1: I tell you the Grambling band's nickname? According to Grambling
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  Speaker 1: Band's website, No, it is the best band in the land.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so the best band in the land versus the
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  Speaker 1: best damn band in the land.
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  Speaker 3: And the and the alumni band will be here.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, the alumni band.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it is great band. It is going to be
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  Speaker 1: a yes batterday. We call it band aid.
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  Speaker 3: The camp will not be.
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  Speaker 2: There, No, no, probably not, but yes, should be. It
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  Speaker 2: should be an entertaining game.
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  Speaker 1: Very you know, let's just say, lower stakes game than
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  Speaker 1: last weekend unless you lose.
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  Speaker 2: I would recommend they don't lose, but.
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  Speaker 3: Because this would be more costly lost time face and
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  Speaker 3: we should spend some time on this. This would be
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  Speaker 3: more costly loss than if they had lost to Texas.
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  Speaker 1: There is not a point spread on this weekend's game,
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  Speaker 1: but going based off of the preseason sp plus rankings,
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State would be about a sixty two point favorite
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  Speaker 1: this weekend. So my advice to you would be to
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  Speaker 1: not to gamble on this game. It's the grambling game, Tony,
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  Speaker 1: not the gambling game.
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  Speaker 3: But so it's a sixty two point line? What is
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  Speaker 3: what is the number? Is it like sixty two and
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  Speaker 3: a half?
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  Speaker 2: It's fifty eight?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, it's it's uh, this is this
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  Speaker 1: is one that I would just sit back and enjoy
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  Speaker 1: and not not put myself in a position to have
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  Speaker 1: any added stress.
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  Speaker 3: There's a free season NFL games you could be gambling
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  Speaker 3: on instead.
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  Speaker 2: That would be my professional advice to you. So there
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  Speaker 2: you go.
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  Speaker 1: Highs did Grambling three thirty Big ten Network on Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: Will be there of coverage, pregame, post game, all the
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  Speaker 1: fun stuff. Should be a really fun day. Get to
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  Speaker 1: see a lot of the young guys for the first time,
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  Speaker 1: get to see some of these guys, get a chance
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  Speaker 1: to go out and start getting some film to teach
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  Speaker 1: off of all that kind of stuff. But then Ohio
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  Speaker 1: University next week, week off and then a trip out
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  Speaker 1: to Washington, So lots of fun stuff coming in next month.
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  Speaker 1: And if you want to be part of our our
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  Speaker 1: group at bucke huddle dot com, this would be a
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  Speaker 1: That is all at bucke Huddled. That'll do it for today.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you guys all for joining us. Have a great day.
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  Speaker 2: We will talk to you tomorrow.