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Mega Edition: Danny Masterson And The Mistrial (10/26/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: And welcome back to the program. So the Danny Masterson
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Speaker 1: trial is set to get underway today in just a
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Speaker 1: few hours, and he is facing charges of three separate
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Speaker 1: rapes that happened about 20 years ago, according to the accusers. Now,
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Speaker 1: there's a whole different angle to this story as well,
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Speaker 1: and that has to do with Scientology. and how Scientology
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Speaker 1: has tried to press these women, allegedly, into not filing charges,
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Speaker 1: not coming out against Danny Masterson, and not seeking justice
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Speaker 1: for what they say has occurred. So now, this has
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Speaker 1: progressed to a point where it's at trial, and jurors
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Speaker 1: are going to hear the evidence, and then they're going
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Speaker 1: to make the decision about what went down here. As
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Speaker 1: for me, I don't have all of the evidence and
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Speaker 1: I certainly don't have all of the facts. But when
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Speaker 1: you're being accused by three different people in the manner
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Speaker 1: that Mr. Masterson is being accused, there's definitely going to be, usually,
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Speaker 1: an investigation. And when they investigated, they obviously found enough
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Speaker 1: to bring this to trial. Now, the flip side of
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Speaker 1: that you'll have Scientology and Danny Masterson say that this
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Speaker 1: is all just a cash grab. And this is all
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Speaker 1: to do with the fact that people have problems with Scientology. Now,
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Speaker 1: it's going to be up to the jury to sort
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Speaker 1: all of that out. But just like usual, us out
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Speaker 1: here in the public, we're going to come to our
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Speaker 1: own conclusions as well as we follow along and as
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Speaker 1: we get information to download. So for me, I plan
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Speaker 1: on following the trial as closely as we can to
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Speaker 1: sort through the BS and try and get to the
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Speaker 1: actual facts of what went down. Because that's what I'm
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Speaker 1: interested in here. Did this really happen? And if it did,
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Speaker 1: what part did Scientology play in enabling all of this?
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Speaker 1: Because they have to suffer consequences, just like any other
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Speaker 1: organization that would facilitate something like this. So it's going
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Speaker 1: to be very interesting to see which way prosecutors go
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Speaker 1: and what sort of information comes out in this case. Now, remember,
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Speaker 1: right now, at the same time, Paul Haggis is also
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Speaker 1: on trial for alleged sexual assault. And he claims that
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Speaker 1: he is being targeted by Scientology for leaving the group.
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Speaker 1: And that's why he's facing the charges he's facing. So
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Speaker 1: we're going to look in on that case as well.
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Speaker 1: But today on this episode, we're going to focus on
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Speaker 1: the Danny Masterson trial that is about to get underway.
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Speaker 1: Today's article is from ABC News headline 70 show actor
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Speaker 1: Danny Masterson on trial for three rape charges. Opening statements
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Speaker 1: are set to begin soon in the trial of that
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Speaker 1: 70 show Danny Masterson, who is charged with raping three
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Speaker 1: women about 20 years ago. This article was authored by
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Speaker 1: Andrew Dalton. Danny Masterson, former star of the long-running sitcom
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Speaker 1: The 70 Show, is about to face three women in
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Speaker 1: court who say he raped them two decades ago at
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Speaker 1: a trial whose key figures are all current or former
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Speaker 1: members of the Church of Scientology. Now, the judge says
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Speaker 1: she doesn't want this trial to veer off the tracks
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Speaker 1: and be about Scientology, but How can it not be
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Speaker 1: about Scientology when all of the key participants are obviously
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Speaker 1: members or ex-members of the church? Opening statements could begin
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Speaker 1: as early as Tuesday in the Los Angeles trial of
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Speaker 1: the 46-year-old Masterson, and while a judge has expressed her
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Speaker 1: determination not to have the church become the center of
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Speaker 1: the proceedings, it.
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Speaker 2: Will inevitably loom large. Of course it will.
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Speaker 1: If the church is playing a key role here in
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Speaker 1: silencing victims, making sure people don't come out and speak
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Speaker 1: out against the church or other members of the church,
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Speaker 1: why shouldn't they be brought into the conversation? Why shouldn't
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Speaker 1: they have to defend their behavior? Masterson is charged with
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Speaker 1: raping the women between 2001 and 2003 in his home,
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Speaker 1: which functioned as a social hub when he was at
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Speaker 1: the height of his fame. Masterson has pleaded not guilty
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Speaker 1: to the charges. One of the women had been Masterson's
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Speaker 1: longtime girlfriend. Another was a longtime friend and a third,
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Speaker 1: a newer acquaintance. So this dude was allegedly.
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Speaker 2: Raping friends, right?
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Speaker 1: Two people that he was associated with for a very,
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Speaker 1: very long time. And according to them, he raped them
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Speaker 1: and assaulted them. Then a newer acquaintance who came into
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Speaker 1: his life, since he felt so brazen, you would think, right,
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Speaker 1: he got away with the first two, why not keep
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Speaker 1: up with it? Then the third one, allegedly, was an
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Speaker 1: acquaintance that he had just met, somebody that wasn't that
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Speaker 1: close to him. All three were members of the Church
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Speaker 1: of Scientology, as Masterson still is. Now that's a bit
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Speaker 1: odd too, right? Is it all a coincidence that they
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Speaker 1: were all members of the church? Or was he targeting
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Speaker 1: members of the church because he knows they won't speak out? Now,
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Speaker 1: I don't know one way or the other. I'm just
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Speaker 1: asking questions here. That's why I'm going to follow along
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Speaker 1: with this trial and look at the evidence because I
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Speaker 1: don't know what's what. And as far as the evidence
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Speaker 1: that we see that's public, certainly doesn't look good for
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Speaker 1: Danny Masterson. But we know that there could be more
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Speaker 1: behind the curtain and there might be more that we
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Speaker 1: don't know about. So until we have, you know, some
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Speaker 1: sort of resolution here, we're going to follow along and
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Speaker 1: and follow the evidence wherever it leads. But those sorts
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Speaker 1: of allegations and then the fact that everybody's part of
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Speaker 1: the church certainly leads me to believe that there's something there.
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Speaker 1: All three accusers have since left. And they said the
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Speaker 1: church's insistence that they deal internally with problems between members
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Speaker 1: made them hesitant at first to go to authorities. Now,
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Speaker 1: there should be no church or no group that is
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Speaker 1: telling its members that they shouldn't report crimes of a
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Speaker 1: sexual nature or of any nature for that matter. They
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Speaker 1: should be telling their members, their congregation, if there's something
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Speaker 1: that happens to you, then you should report this. You
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Speaker 1: should bring this to the attention of the authorities. But
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Speaker 1: like every other institution, every other group, Scientology is only
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Speaker 1: worried about making sure that their public image does not
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Speaker 1: get dinged. This is not going to become a trial
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Speaker 1: on Scientology, Superior Court Judge Charlene F. Olmedo asserted at
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Speaker 1: a pretrial hearing. But she said she would allow its
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Speaker 1: discussion as a reason why the women delayed reporting to authorities.
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Speaker 1: And we talked about this yesterday a little bit when
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Speaker 1: we did our opener and talked about how we were
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Speaker 1: going to be following this case. The judge doesn't want
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Speaker 1: this to devolve into a sideshow about Scientology. She wants
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Speaker 1: to keep on track and keep everything on course and
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Speaker 1: talk about the actual alleged crimes that Mr. Masterson has
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Speaker 1: allegedly committed. Now, on the flip side of that, The
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Speaker 1: plaintiffs and the prosecution, they say that Scientology and Scientology's
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Speaker 1: enabling of all of this played a huge part in
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Speaker 1: these women being abused. So it has to be discussed
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Speaker 1: at the trial. Testimony at a preliminary hearing last year
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Speaker 1: to determine whether Masterson should go to trial last year
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Speaker 1: included frequent use of Scientology jargon that lawyers had to
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Speaker 1: ask the witnesses to explain. And the trial's witness list?
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Speaker 1: is full of members and former members of the church,
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Speaker 1: which has a strong presence in Los Angeles and has
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Speaker 1: counted many famous figures among its members. The list includes
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Speaker 1: former member Lisa Marie Presley, the daughter of Elvis Presley,
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Speaker 1: and former wife of Michael Jackson. Now look, I'll be
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Speaker 1: the first to tell you, I don't know much about Scientology.
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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of science fiction, and from the
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Speaker 1: little bit that I do know, it sure sounds like
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Speaker 1: a space opera that people are making pretend is real.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I love the show The Expanse. Hell, I
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Speaker 1: love Star Wars. But I'm not running around thinking that,
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Speaker 1: you know, Emperor Palpatine is real. And it certainly seems
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Speaker 1: like that's what's going on over here in Scientology. Maybe
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Speaker 1: I'm missing the boat. As you all know, I'm not
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Speaker 1: a gigantic fan of organized religion in the first place.
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Speaker 1: But it just seems real odd to me.
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Speaker 2: That's all.
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Speaker 1: Masterson's initial attorney in the case, Thomas Mesereau, emphasized his
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Speaker 1: client's Scientology connections, saying his arrest was a result of
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Speaker 1: anti-religious bias from police and prosecutors. The lawyer attempted, unsuccessfully,
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Speaker 1: to subpoena alleged communications between the accusers and Acta Alia Remini,
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Speaker 1: a former Scientologist who has become one of the church's
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Speaker 1: foremost attractors, authoring a book and hosting a documentary series.
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Speaker 1: I guess I'm going to have to watch this series now.
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Speaker 1: I've never really had any interest in Scientology for the
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Speaker 1: most part, because look, the way I feel is if
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Speaker 1: you want to believe in something, that's your business. I'm
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Speaker 1: not here to tell anybody what to believe in. But
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Speaker 1: when your beliefs start bleeding over into society and start
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Speaker 1: causing everybody else grief, well, then your boy is going
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Speaker 1: to have a few things to say. But as far
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Speaker 1: as the religion itself and the documentary, I've just never
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Speaker 1: really been that interested in it. But my interest has
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Speaker 1: certainly peaked lately, and I'm going to have to go
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Speaker 1: back and watch that documentary. Masterson's lead attorney for the trial,
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Speaker 1: Philip Cohen, appears to be taking the opposite approach, seeking
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Speaker 1: in a pretrial motion to minimize mentions of the institution,
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Speaker 1: which is garnered much negative publicity in recent years because
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Speaker 1: of prominent dissidents like Remini. Some potential jurors have been
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Speaker 1: dismissed based on their opinions of the church.
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Speaker 2: I could see that.
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Speaker 1: As his attorneys, you want to have the best juror
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Speaker 1: pool possible. So if they have some kind of bad
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Speaker 1: opinion about the church, then of course you're going to
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Speaker 1: try and get them disqualified from the proceedings, right? That's
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Speaker 1: how it works. I think leaving the Church of Scientology
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Speaker 1: out of it's a good plan, said Emily D. Baker,
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Speaker 1: a former Los Angeles County prosecutor who now works as
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Speaker 1: a legal analyst and podcaster. I don't think the general
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Speaker 1: public has an overwhelmingly positive view. I think there is
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Speaker 1: a lot of skepticism. And I think that's the case, right?
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Speaker 1: When we as the public hear stories about groups like
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Speaker 1: Scientology and, you know, you hear about what they go
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Speaker 1: through and how you elevate and all of that stuff.
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Speaker 1: And again, I only have a rudimentary knowledge of what
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Speaker 1: they have going on over there. But when you hear
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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff as an average person or somebody
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Speaker 1: who's not hip to it, you say to yourself, what
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Speaker 1: the hell are you talking about?
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Speaker 2: What do you mean? They're doing what over there?
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Speaker 1: It can feel heavy-handed when you have the government bringing
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Speaker 1: someone's religion into prosecution, said Baker, who is not involved
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Speaker 1: in the case. I think there is a careful line
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Speaker 1: to be considered. The church is not on trial. You
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Speaker 1: don't want to give jurors a sense that you're going
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Speaker 1: after it. Masterson is charged with three counts of rape
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Speaker 1: by force or fear, which could mean up to 45
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Speaker 1: years in prison if he's convicted. So these are serious charges, folks, right?
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Speaker 1: We're not talking about a slap on the wrist. We're
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Speaker 1: talking about a guy who's looking at 45 years. At
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Speaker 1: last year's preliminary hearing, one woman testified that they were
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Speaker 1: five years into a relationship when she woke up to
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Speaker 1: Masterson raping her one night in 2001. Another, a one-time
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Speaker 1: friend of Masterson's, who had been born into Scientology, testified that,
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Speaker 1: in 2003, he had taken her upstairs from the hot
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Speaker 1: tub at his Los Angeles home and raped her in
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Speaker 1: his bedroom. The third woman, said Masterson, raped her on
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Speaker 1: a night in 2003 after texting her to come to
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Speaker 1: his house. She testified she had set boundaries and was
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Speaker 1: clear there was to be no sex. Now look, again,
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Speaker 1: this is a lot of he said, she said, right?
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Speaker 1: We have to be fair when we're talking about it.
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Speaker 1: None of us were there, but what I will say
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Speaker 1: is that the court has seen enough to bring this
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Speaker 1: to trial. And when the court has seen enough to
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Speaker 1: bring it to trial... They have seen enough in the
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Speaker 1: preliminary hearings, the grand jury, and it's been determined that
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Speaker 1: there's enough evidence to move forward. Now, that doesn't always
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Speaker 1: mean that there's a conviction to be had. And that's
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Speaker 1: why we go to the trial portion of this, right?
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Speaker 1: One of the women, Masterson's friend, unhappy with the way
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Speaker 1: the Scientology Ethics Board handled her complaint about him, filed
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Speaker 1: a police report in 2004 that didn't result in charges.
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Speaker 1: In 2016, she connected and shared stories with a woman
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Speaker 1: who she says was raped while in a relationship with Masterson.
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Speaker 1: Each would file a police report that year. Masterson's former
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Speaker 1: girlfriend said she did so after telling her story to
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Speaker 1: her husband, who helped her understand that she had been raped.
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Speaker 1: The third woman went to police in 2017. So what
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Speaker 1: his lawyers are going to try and do is destroy
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Speaker 1: the credibility of these women and try and say that
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Speaker 1: they didn't come forward early enough with these claims. And
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Speaker 1: now there's no evidence to prove it. And that is
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Speaker 1: probably going to be the path that the defense takes here.
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Speaker 1: Masterson's then attorney suggested in their cross-examination of the women
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Speaker 1: that all had retroactively reframed consensual sex as rape and
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Speaker 1: said the age of the incidents made accurate memories impossible.
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Speaker 1: You see, the memory stuff here is not a winning
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Speaker 1: strategy for his legal team. We saw Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyers
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Speaker 1: attempt this and we saw it fail miserably. So I
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Speaker 1: would think that Masterson's team is hip and they know
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Speaker 1: that this is not a proper strategy. Then again, maybe
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Speaker 1: in this courtroom it will be. The Associated Press does
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Speaker 1: not typically name people who say they were victims of
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Speaker 1: sexual assault, sexual abuse, unless they come forward. Masterson was
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Speaker 1: one of the first Hollywood figures to be prosecuted in
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Speaker 1: the hashtag MeToo era. He is one of several high-profile
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Speaker 1: sexual assault cases that have gone to trial around the
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Speaker 1: fifth anniversary of the reporting in of accusations against Hollywood
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Speaker 1: mogul Harvey Weinstein, which transformed the MeToo movement into an
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Speaker 1: international reckoning.
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Speaker 2: Or has it? I mean, really, how many people have
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Speaker 2: truly faced the consequences?
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Speaker 1: And furthermore, where was the whole entire MeToo movement for
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein survivors? They were nowhere to be seen. As
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Speaker 1: if Epstein survivors didn't even matter. Weinstein's second rape and
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Speaker 1: sexual assault trial, he's already been convicted in New York,
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Speaker 1: is happening simultaneously just down the hall from Masterson's. In
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Speaker 1: New York City, civil trials have begun for Kevin Spacey
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Speaker 1: and for screenwriter and director Paul Haggis, who are both
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Speaker 1: being sued for sexual assault. Haggis is himself a Scientology dissident,
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Speaker 1: and the judge in that case is allowing him to
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Speaker 1: argue that the church is behind the allegations against him.
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Speaker 1: So he's saying that the church, Paul Haggis, that the
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Speaker 1: church is behind the allegations that have been placed against
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Speaker 1: him about sexual assault. We've talked about Paul Haggis and
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Speaker 1: his charges before, and we'll touch on that again in
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Speaker 1: the coming days. We'll do an update. But he says
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Speaker 1: that Scientology is involved here as far as bringing these charges.
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Speaker 1: So the judge in his case, he's allowing it. From
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Speaker 1: 1998 until 2006, Masterson starred as Stephen Hyde on Fox's
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Speaker 1: That 70s Show, which made stars of Aston Kutcher, Mila Kunis,
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Speaker 1: and Topher Grace, and is getting an upcoming Netflix reboot
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Speaker 1: with That 90s Show. Masterson had reunited with Kutcher on
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Speaker 1: the Netflix comedy The Ranch, but was written off the
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Speaker 1: show when LAPD investigation was revealed in December of 2017. Alright, so,
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Speaker 1: we're getting ready for the preliminaries to start here in
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Speaker 1: the trial, and there is a complete update of exactly
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Speaker 1: where we're at, and some more details that weren't in
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Speaker 1: the update we did yesterday. Now today, after the proceedings
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Speaker 1: are over and done with, I'll go back, I'll take
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Speaker 1: a look at it, and probably tomorrow morning, we'll have
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Speaker 1: another update. And that's probably what we'll do. We'll update
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Speaker 1: after each day, and the next morning we'll have an
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Speaker 1: evaluation of sorts of of what went down as far
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Speaker 1: as the trial. All right, everybody, that's going to do
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Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. The
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Speaker 1: Danny Masterson jury is deadlocked as of now and the
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Speaker 1: judge decided that she was going to send them home
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Speaker 1: for the Thanksgiving holiday to think about it for a
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Speaker 1: little while after declaring that only three days of being
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Speaker 1: deadlocked is certainly not enough time for her to declare
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Speaker 1: a mistrial. So let's get caught up and see where
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Speaker 1: things stand in the trial of Danny Masterson. This article
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Speaker 1: was published by Deadline Headline. Danny Masterson rape trial jury
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Speaker 1: deadlocked on trio of charges. Judge sends panel home for
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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving weekend. This article was authored by Dominic Patton. Danny
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Speaker 1: Masterson will not discover his fate on three counts of
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Speaker 1: forcible rape until at least after Thanksgiving. After less than
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Speaker 1: three days of deliberations by the jury, the panel has
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Speaker 1: just told Judge Charlene Almedo they are deadlocked on all
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Speaker 1: three counts and cannot reach a unanimous verdict. Deciding that
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Speaker 1: three days isn't enough to declare a mistrial, the L.A.
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Speaker 1: Superior Court judge has sent the jurors home for Thanksgiving.
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Speaker 1: With the defense protesting, Judge Almedo gave the panel instructions
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Speaker 1: to return on November 28th to start their deliberations again.
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Speaker 1: And I would expect the judge to make a move
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Speaker 1: like that if they've only deliberated for a couple of
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Speaker 1: days and they're deadlocked. You guys got to get back
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Speaker 1: into the jurors room and figure it out. Now, it's
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Speaker 1: always a little scary for a defendant when your case
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Speaker 1: is around the holidays, because human nature is people want
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Speaker 1: to get done with shit and go and enjoy their holiday, right?
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Speaker 1: So I know if I was on trial, I'd be
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Speaker 1: worried that the jury's just trying to get out of dodge.
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Speaker 1: But that certainly doesn't seem to be the case here,
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Speaker 1: because if that was the case, they would have just
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Speaker 1: came up with a conclusion before the holiday. But... They're
19:25
Speaker 1: at loggerheads over it and they can't figure out which
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Speaker 1: way to go. They can't figure out what they want
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Speaker 1: to decide. Look, this was a crazy case. A lot
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Speaker 1: of these allegations were from years and years and years ago.
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Speaker 1: And it's very hard to slam home a conviction when
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Speaker 1: that's really all you have. There's not any forensics or
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Speaker 1: anything like that to back it up. Now, for me,
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Speaker 1: listening to the testimony, I found it all to be compelling.
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Speaker 1: And when you hear the same stories over and over
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Speaker 1: and over about somebody, well, you have to take notice
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Speaker 1: of what's going on. And then you add the other
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Speaker 1: stuff in there, the Scientology angle, the fact that his
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Speaker 1: DJ name was DJ Donkey Punch, and you start to
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Speaker 1: kind of get an idea of who this dude is.
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Speaker 1: Does that make him a rapist, though? That's what the
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Speaker 1: jury's trying to figure out. Masterson faces up to 45
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Speaker 1: years in state prison if found guilty on all three counts.
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Speaker 2: The L.A.
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Speaker 1: County District Attorney's Office and Masterson's Philip Cohen-led defense presented
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Speaker 1: and concluded their very different closing arguments on November 15th
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Speaker 1: after nearly three weeks of testimony in the DTLA trial,
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Speaker 1: downtown Los Angeles trial. And this has been a wild one.
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Speaker 1: There have been all sorts of allegations pumped in the trial,
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Speaker 1: outside of it. You had Leah Remini making all sorts
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Speaker 1: of allegations. You had Scientology saying they're going to go
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Speaker 1: after her. And for her, that's old hat, right? I mean,
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Speaker 1: she's been battling with Scientology now since she left the group.
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Speaker 1: So whenever there's a story that has to do with Scientology,
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Speaker 1: you can guarantee that Leah Remini is going to have
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Speaker 1: a few opinions. Masterson was arrested in June 2020 on
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Speaker 1: three counts of forcible rape that allegedly occurred in 2001
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Speaker 1: and 2003 at his Hollywood home. Out on $ 3. 3 million
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Speaker 1: bail ever since being arrested, longtime Scientologist Masterson had previously been, unceremoniously,
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Speaker 1: dropped from Netflix's Ashton Kutcher co-star in comedy The Ranch
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Speaker 1: at the end of 2017 as claims became known. And
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Speaker 1: when you have this sort of deal and all of
21:31
Speaker 1: these women come out and they claim that you did this,
21:35
Speaker 1: what do you expect a production to do? I guess
21:37
Speaker 1: a production can suspend you without pay, see what happens
21:41
Speaker 1: with the trial, and then, you know, pick it back
21:43
Speaker 1: up after that. That's probably the fair way to go
21:45
Speaker 1: about it, but that's not reality. When you have these
21:48
Speaker 1: kinds of allegations, the production team is running for the hills. What,
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Speaker 1: they're going to have this dude under these allegations on
21:55
Speaker 1: the show so that every single critic blasts it? No way,
21:59
Speaker 1: it's not going to happen. Seated at the defense table
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Speaker 1: for every day of the trial with a revolving door
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Speaker 1: of family and friends in court with him, Masterson has
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Speaker 1: always denied having non-consensual sex with the Jane Does of
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Speaker 1: this case or anyone else. And look, you can make
22:16
Speaker 1: the argument like his lawyers have made about what went
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Speaker 1: down here. The question is, is the jury going to
22:23
Speaker 1: buy it? And obviously a few of them are. Now,
22:27
Speaker 1: I said last week that I thought that the prosecution
22:30
Speaker 1: made a pretty good case here. But when you have
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Speaker 1: these allegations that are this old and there's not oodles
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Speaker 1: of court documentation to back them up and corroborating witnesses,
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Speaker 1: it's really hard to slam something like this home. Just
22:46
Speaker 1: like today, the jury began their second day of closed-door
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Speaker 1: deliberations just after 9 a.m. Thursday, with Masterson and lawyers
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Speaker 1: from both sides close by in the DTLA courthouse. Not
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Speaker 1: long afterwards, the jurors asked if they could get a
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Speaker 1: transcript of testimony about the call between the defendant and
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Speaker 1: Jane Doe No. 1 when the latter was in Florida
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Speaker 1: right after her alleged 2003 rape. Judge Almedo told the
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Speaker 1: panel the court reporter would read it back to them,
23:14
Speaker 1: which she did. With that, it now seems pretty clear
23:17
Speaker 1: that from early Wednesday, the panel of seven women and
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Speaker 1: five men were drilling down on their duties, and a
23:23
Speaker 1: verdict may not come as quickly as assumed. Now, I
23:26
Speaker 1: didn't think a jury, I mean, a verdict would come
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Speaker 1: quick here. I thought that there was way too much
23:30
Speaker 1: he said, she said, and way too much, you know,
23:33
Speaker 1: back and forth. So there's going to be some deliberation
23:37
Speaker 1: because it's not a cut and dry case. It certainly
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Speaker 1: was never that. For me, I think the biggest angle
23:43
Speaker 1: and the thing that kind of made me disgusted the most, obviously,
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Speaker 1: besides the alleged assaults, was the behavior of Scientology here
23:53
Speaker 1: or the alleged behavior of Scientology. Whenever you have a big,
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Speaker 1: powerful group like this telling people that they can't go
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Speaker 1: to the authorities if they've been assaulted, I have a
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Speaker 1: big problem with that. Not long after gathering at 9 a.m.
24:08
Speaker 1: on November 16th, the jurors asked to take a look
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Speaker 1: at a number of exhibits in the case, which was
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Speaker 1: provided to them ASAP. Mid-morning yesterday, before the lunch break,
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Speaker 1: the jury sought LAPD reports on the alleged assault, as
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Speaker 1: well as other material from the defense's closing argument. With
24:25
Speaker 1: the jury back in the courtroom, along with lawyers and Masterson,
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Speaker 1: Judge Almedo informed the panel that any material from closing
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Speaker 1: arguments is not actually evidence. Hence, the requests were denied.
24:36
Speaker 1: The jury went back to deliberating until about 4 p.m.
24:40
Speaker 1: The testimony, starting on October 18th, and often contentious trial,
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Speaker 1: saw all of the Jane Does in the case take
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Speaker 1: the stand. All former Scientologists, the Jane Does offered often
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Speaker 1: deeply emotional statements under questioning from Deputy L.A. County District
24:56
Speaker 1: Attorneys Reinhold Mueller and Ariel Anson. and an openly combative
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Speaker 1: defense team of Cohen and Karen Goldstein. And they were
25:05
Speaker 1: pretty combative, there is no doubt about it. But when
25:08
Speaker 1: you're battling in a case like this, you have to
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Speaker 1: have a lawyer who knows how to toe the line.
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Speaker 1: And you have to have a lawyer who knows how
25:16
Speaker 1: to punch holes in credibility without really, you know, demeaning somebody.
25:22
Speaker 1: And that's a fine line to walk. and not very
25:24
Speaker 1: many lawyers are capable of doing that.
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Speaker 2: And Cohen? No way.
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Speaker 1: This dude came in ham-handed as hell. Masterson himself decided
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Speaker 1: not to testify, in his own defense, as he told
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Speaker 1: the court on November 14th, and his team called no
25:40
Speaker 1: witnesses of their own. While Judge Almedo repeatedly, explicitly, said
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Speaker 1: Scientology was not on trial here, The David Miscavige-led church
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Speaker 1: and its policies, its allegedly warnings of the Jane Does
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Speaker 1: not to go to the police and protection of Masterson
25:56
Speaker 1: were frequently brought up at least 700 times before this
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Speaker 1: week's closing statements, according to Cohen.
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Speaker 2: Well, what do you think's going to happen here, Mr. Cohen?
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Speaker 1: As much as you want to go after the credibility
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Speaker 1: of the alleged victims, they want to go after the
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Speaker 1: credibility of the church and the people that told them
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Speaker 1: that they couldn't report this. Sometimes seeming to represent Scientology
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Speaker 1: as much as Masterson, the defense put forth ultimately unsuccessful
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Speaker 1: motions for a mistrial based on mentions of the church
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Speaker 1: time and time again.
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Speaker 2: Hilarious. Oh, we need to have a mistrial because you
26:31
Speaker 2: brought up the church. Give me a break. Vafangul to
26:34
Speaker 2: the church. How about that?
26:36
Speaker 1: Also brought up in the trial, but never actually taking
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Speaker 1: the stand, were Hollywood heavyweight lawyer Marty Singer and ex-high-profile
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Speaker 1: Scientologist Lisa Marie Presley. Both were on the prosecution's witness list,
26:48
Speaker 1: but the latter was scheduled to testify and even seen
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Speaker 1: in the halls of the Clara Shortage Faults Criminal Justice
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Speaker 1: Center in late October. However, due to the length of
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Speaker 1: Jane Doe No. 1's testimony, the already reluctant Singer was
27:02
Speaker 1: bumped and eventually never called. Now, Marty Singer, as you
27:06
Speaker 1: all should know if you've been following the podcast, is
27:09
Speaker 1: the guy who owns the office, Lively and Singer, where
27:13
Speaker 1: Andrew Brettler works. And Andrew Brettler was Prince Andrew's lawyer.
27:17
Speaker 1: So we're pretty familiar with Lively and Singer. And the
27:20
Speaker 1: fact that they even had him on the cusp here
27:22
Speaker 1: to testify cracks me up. And it's no shock to me, however,
27:27
Speaker 1: that it never went through. Testimony from Rock Sion Presley
27:32
Speaker 1: was dropped by the prosecution on November 9th after Judge
27:35
Speaker 1: Almedo strictly limited what she could be asked. Specifically, the
27:39
Speaker 1: judge eradicated anything about potential obstruction of justice by the
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Speaker 1: Church of Scientology in the alleged assault of Jane Doe No.
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Speaker 1: 1 by That 70s Show actor in 2003. Why are
27:51
Speaker 1: you protecting the church, Judge Almedo? And furthermore, can we have, like,
27:55
Speaker 1: some kind of congressional hearing or something to decide if
27:58
Speaker 1: this is even a church in the first place? The
28:02
Speaker 1: church failed last month in its attempt to get the
28:04
Speaker 1: Supreme Court to step in and potentially stop several former
28:07
Speaker 1: members of the church and alleged Masterson victims from taking
28:11
Speaker 1: the church and the actor to court in a civil
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Speaker 1: case on claims of surveillance, harassment, and killing of pets. Like,
28:18
Speaker 1: for real, killing of pets? What sort of sick, demented
28:21
Speaker 1: person hurts somebody's animal? Revived earlier this year by California's
28:27
Speaker 1: Court of Appeal, the lawsuit from Jane Doe No. 1, No. 2,
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Speaker 1: and No. 3, and others say they were targeted by
28:33
Speaker 1: Scientology after going to the LAPD with their rape claims
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Speaker 1: against Masterson, claims that were paused until around mid-December once
28:42
Speaker 1: the criminal trial is over. Still, with the behind-closed-doors religious
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Speaker 1: arbitration effort by Scientology swatted away by the Supreme Court
28:51
Speaker 1: and ex-Scientologists among the core victims in Masterson's criminal trial,
28:55
Speaker 1: it was inevitable that the celebrity-rich church and its internal
28:59
Speaker 1: methods would be in the judicial and media spotlight in
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Speaker 1: this case. And in my opinion, it's legitimate. Look, The
29:07
Speaker 1: church obviously was involved here according to these witnesses, according
29:11
Speaker 1: to these accusers, so they have to be called out
29:14
Speaker 1: and they have to be brought up in court.
29:15
Speaker 2: What's the big deal?
29:19
Speaker 1: Starting around the 5th anniversary of the New York Times
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Speaker 1: expose of Harvey Weinstein's decades of rape and other abuse
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Speaker 1: of women, the ongoing Masterson trial was also mirrored by
29:29
Speaker 1: the one-time mogul's ongoing West Coast trial for a multitude
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Speaker 1: of sex crimes just down the hall. with a number
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Speaker 1: of Jane Does taking the stand the past few weeks,
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Speaker 1: including current California We'll be right back. Like the Masterson trial,
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Speaker 1: Weinstein's trial is also going dark next week for the holiday.
30:04
Speaker 1: And we'll be back on November 28th. So there's where
30:07
Speaker 1: we stand as far as the Danny Masterson trial. I
30:11
Speaker 1: didn't have time to get to this yesterday, obviously, because
30:13
Speaker 1: we had so much going on with what's going on
30:16
Speaker 1: in Idaho and FTX and you name it. But I
30:20
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that we added this to the
30:22
Speaker 1: catalog and had it rocking and rolling and ready. so
30:25
Speaker 1: that when they do come back with their verdict, we
30:27
Speaker 1: can just pick right up next week, or the week after,
30:30
Speaker 1: I mean, and get cracking. All right, so that's going
30:32
Speaker 1: to do it for this one. If you'd like to
30:34
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30:38
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30:51
Speaker 1: can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
30:54
Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. The Danny Masterson rape
30:59
Speaker 1: trial has ended in a mistrial. The jury has been deadlocked.
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Speaker 1: They couldn't figure out if they wanted to convict him
31:07
Speaker 1: or if they didn't want to convict him. And now,
31:10
Speaker 1: after many days of being deadlocked and replacing two jurors
31:14
Speaker 1: due to covid. The judges announced that the trial will
31:18
Speaker 1: end deadlocked and in a mistrial. Obviously, the prosecution is
31:22
Speaker 1: going to reevaluate and decide if they're going to go
31:26
Speaker 1: after these charges again in another trial. You see, when
31:29
Speaker 1: it's a mistrial like this, it's not that he's been exonerated.
31:33
Speaker 1: What happens here is the jury just couldn't come to
31:35
Speaker 1: a decision. So he's not guilty either, by the way,
31:38
Speaker 1: but he has not been exonerated. So the prosecution has
31:41
Speaker 1: the ability to go after him again here if they
31:44
Speaker 1: so choose, considering that things were declared a mistrial. So
31:49
Speaker 1: let's jump into this Fox News article real quick and
31:52
Speaker 1: let's get updated. Headline, Danny Masterson trial. Attorney, DA released
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Speaker 1: statements after 70 shows star gets mistrial. Masterson was charged
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Speaker 1: in 2020 with the forcible rape of three women in
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Speaker 1: different instances that allegedly happened between 2001 and 2003. This
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Speaker 1: article was authored by Lawrence Richard. Now, while the case
32:16
Speaker 1: was going on and we were talking about it, I
32:18
Speaker 1: said that the testimony that was provided from the alleged victims,
32:23
Speaker 1: victims was pretty strong. And I still think that. But
32:28
Speaker 1: Danny Masterson's lawyers were able to punch some holes in
32:31
Speaker 1: it because of the timeline issues. When you have a
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Speaker 1: case or a situation that goes back all of these
32:37
Speaker 1: years and you don't have a bunch of receipts, it's
32:40
Speaker 1: going to be very difficult to get a conviction, especially
32:43
Speaker 1: in criminal court. Now, the bar for getting a ruling
32:46
Speaker 1: in your favor in civil court drops dramatically. So they
32:50
Speaker 1: might get a favorable ruling in civil court because there
32:54
Speaker 1: are some civil actions against Danny Masterson going on right now.
32:58
Speaker 1: But when we're talking about criminal, the bar is set
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Speaker 1: high and the burden of proof is on the accuser.
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Speaker 1: So if you don't have receipts and a lot to
33:08
Speaker 1: back up what you're saying, and you're dealing with a
33:12
Speaker 1: competent defense attorney, a lot of times they're going to
33:14
Speaker 1: be able to punch some holes in the story. And
33:16
Speaker 1: if the jurors see that there's enough holes punched in
33:19
Speaker 1: the story, well, you get a situation like we see here.
33:24
Speaker 1: Danny Masterson's attorney released a statement applauding the decision by
33:27
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Charlaine F. Almeida, who
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Speaker 1: declared the 70 Show star rape trial a mistrial on Wednesday.
33:36
Speaker 1: Masterson was on trial for three counts of rape, stemming
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Speaker 1: from allegations between 2001 and 2003. But on Wednesday, Judge
33:45
Speaker 1: Almedo said she found the jurors hopelessly deadlocked over the
33:48
Speaker 1: facts of the case. A new trial has been set
33:51
Speaker 1: for March 27th, 2023. So they're going to have to
33:55
Speaker 1: go back and start all over. Unfortunately, that means we're
33:58
Speaker 1: going to have to go back and recover it. Not
34:01
Speaker 1: one of the more enjoyable things to do, honestly. Hearing
34:05
Speaker 1: these accounts from these women who say that they were
34:08
Speaker 1: abused by people, I'm not a big fan of having
34:11
Speaker 1: to do that. But I feel like this is one
34:13
Speaker 1: of those cases that's pretty important, right? We have a guy,
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Speaker 1: very famous Hollywood actor, very popular man, accused of using
34:21
Speaker 1: that power and his association with the church to abuse people.
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Speaker 1: Certainly a worthy story. However, not one of the ones
34:28
Speaker 1: that I find enjoyable to talk about. Philip Cohen, Masterson's attorney,
34:35
Speaker 1: released a statement calling the decision a true testament of
34:38
Speaker 1: the justice system. So what they're going to try and
34:40
Speaker 1: do is spin this as a victory. And it is
34:43
Speaker 1: a bit of a victory, no doubt. He didn't get convicted, right?
34:46
Speaker 1: So it's a bit of a victory. But it's more
34:48
Speaker 1: of a stalemate than anything. It's not like this is
34:50
Speaker 1: going away. It's not like he's going to be able
34:52
Speaker 1: to avoid ever having to sit in court again. So
34:57
Speaker 1: he got a momentary reprieve, if you will. I am
35:01
Speaker 1: so thankful for the incredible care and commitment that the
35:04
Speaker 1: jurors showed in this case. This trial was about nothing
35:08
Speaker 1: other than the credibility of the three accusers. And the
35:11
Speaker 1: credibility could only be determined by comparing, contrasting and focusing
35:16
Speaker 1: on the ever evolving statements given by the women, Cohen said.
35:20
Speaker 1: And there's no doubt that that played a part in it.
35:22
Speaker 1: If you change your story and then you go before
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Speaker 1: a jury, the jury is going to take that into account.
35:30
Speaker 1: He added, the vote count says it all, and it's
35:33
Speaker 1: a true testament to our justice system that the jurors
35:35
Speaker 1: were able to see through all the inflammatory noise and
35:39
Speaker 1: focus solely on what was truly important. On the other
35:42
Speaker 1: side of the case, the Los Angeles County District Attorney's
35:45
Speaker 1: Office was disappointed with the outcome.
35:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt.
35:49
Speaker 1: They've pumped a lot of resources into this, and this
35:51
Speaker 1: is a very high profile case. It's never a good
35:54
Speaker 1: thing for a prosecutor's office not to bring something like
35:57
Speaker 1: this home. While we are disappointed with the outcome in
36:01
Speaker 1: this trial, we thank the jurors for their service. The
36:04
Speaker 1: DA's office said, we also want to give our heartfelt
36:07
Speaker 1: appreciation to the victims for bravely stepping forward and recounting
36:11
Speaker 1: their harrowing experiences. Now, if they retry this like they
36:15
Speaker 1: say they're going to, then they're going to have to
36:17
Speaker 1: do it all over again, unfortunately. Relive those past traumas,
36:21
Speaker 1: those past experiences, and how many of them are going
36:24
Speaker 1: to want to do that. That's certainly a legitimate question
36:26
Speaker 1: as well. We will now consider our next steps as
36:31
Speaker 1: it relates to prosecuting this case, it added. Two of
36:34
Speaker 1: the jurors in the trial were dismissed earlier this week
36:37
Speaker 1: as they tested positive for COVID-19. I knew that that
36:41
Speaker 1: wasn't going to end well, right? You lose two jurors,
36:43
Speaker 1: you're bringing two alternates in the middle of a gridlocked,
36:46
Speaker 1: deadlocked jury. Certainly doesn't seem like the, you know, best
36:50
Speaker 1: situation to walk into as an alternate. Masterson was charged
36:55
Speaker 1: in 2020 with forcible rape of three women in different
36:58
Speaker 1: instances that allegedly happened between 2001 and 2003. He is
37:03
Speaker 1: pleaded not guilty to the charges. So he was charged
37:08
Speaker 1: all the, I mean, said to have done this all
37:10
Speaker 1: these years ago. And while I found their testimony credible,
37:14
Speaker 1: it's very hard to punch a case like this through.
37:18
Speaker 1: You have to have the evidence to back it up.
37:20
Speaker 1: whether that's forensic evidence or corroborating statements, people that come
37:25
Speaker 1: forward and say, look, I know that this happened. And
37:28
Speaker 1: there really wasn't enough of that, in my opinion. However,
37:31
Speaker 1: the testimony that we did hear was absolutely strong. So
37:36
Speaker 1: it comes down to what the jurors believed. And the
37:39
Speaker 1: jurors obviously couldn't come to a conclusion and decide to
37:44
Speaker 1: come to a majority on what they saw as far
37:47
Speaker 1: as the evidence. And I can totally see that. Now,
37:51
Speaker 1: I wasn't in that courtroom. I'm just talking about what
37:54
Speaker 1: we went over here. And when you go over the
37:56
Speaker 1: stuff that we saw here, the testimony, and you could
37:59
Speaker 1: see that it was a contentious back and forth. The
38:04
Speaker 1: woman who brought the allegations forward include a woman who
38:07
Speaker 1: was Masterson's longtime girlfriend and another close friend. The third
38:11
Speaker 1: accuser was a confidant. So for me, that was powerful too, right?
38:15
Speaker 1: When you have people who come forward and they were friends,
38:18
Speaker 1: they were your ex-girlfriend, and they say things like this,
38:21
Speaker 1: Usually I'm willing to listen. And then we go from there.
38:24
Speaker 2: Let's see the evidence.
38:25
Speaker 1: Right. And what we saw here was a lot of
38:29
Speaker 1: powerful evidence. But the problem is the defense attorneys were
38:33
Speaker 1: able to poke holes in a lot of these stories.
38:36
Speaker 1: They were able to poke holes in time frames. They
38:38
Speaker 1: were able to poke holes in the memory. And of course,
38:43
Speaker 1: when jurors see that, it's very difficult for them to
38:46
Speaker 1: side with the accuser. Our client showed tremendous courage in
38:52
Speaker 1: testifying about personal and horrendous acts in a very public
38:56
Speaker 1: forum and despite persistent harassment and intimidation. Attorney Allison L.
39:01
Speaker 1: Anderson said in a previous statement provided to Fox News
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Speaker 1: Digital and the harassment, killing animals, all of the stuff
39:09
Speaker 1: with the church. I feel like that has legs and
39:12
Speaker 1: I feel like that stuff did happen. listening to the testimony,
39:16
Speaker 1: listening to other people who have been in the church,
39:18
Speaker 1: certainly seems to me that that's the M.O. If you're
39:21
Speaker 1: a subversive person or whatever the hell they call it,
39:24
Speaker 1: you're going to get harassed. You're going to get chased around.
39:27
Speaker 1: They're going to bother you. And that just seems to
39:29
Speaker 1: be the M.O. so that certainly had legs and the
39:32
Speaker 1: fact that they tried to keep the church angle out
39:34
Speaker 1: of the story out of the case tells you what
39:36
Speaker 1: you need to know about how the church feels they
39:39
Speaker 1: don't want to be under the microscope they don't want
39:41
Speaker 1: to open the books and they certainly don't ever want
39:43
Speaker 1: to get to a phase where they're involved in some
39:45
Speaker 1: sort of discovery In court, one accuser recalled emerging from
39:52
Speaker 1: unconsciousness to Masterson allegedly raping her. She remembered not being
39:56
Speaker 1: able to breathe and thought she was going to die.
39:59
Speaker 1: Another accuser had a similar story that Masterson raped her
40:02
Speaker 1: while she was unconscious in December of 2001. And they
40:06
Speaker 1: said that he gave him some kind of drink too,
40:08
Speaker 1: some kind of, you know, drug in the drink that
40:11
Speaker 1: made them woozy. And then he was able to allegedly
40:14
Speaker 1: assault them after they were inebriated. They remain hopeful that Mr.
40:20
Speaker 1: Masterson will experience some criminal consequences for his vile conduct
40:24
Speaker 1: and are eager to now pursue their claims in civil
40:27
Speaker 1: court and seek redress for the nightmare they have been
40:30
Speaker 1: made to suffer, the statement said. So what's going to
40:33
Speaker 1: happen is you'll see people are going to start saying
40:35
Speaker 1: that it was all about the money. That these girls
40:38
Speaker 1: were women were looking for a payday. That's going to
40:41
Speaker 1: be the narrative that you hear coming out of Danny
40:43
Speaker 1: Masterson's camp.
40:45
Speaker 2: Do I buy that? Not really.
40:47
Speaker 1: But that's what you're going to hear. And for these women,
40:50
Speaker 1: they want justice one way or the other. And if
40:52
Speaker 1: the only redress is smacking this dude in the bank account,
40:56
Speaker 1: then so be it. Because there has to be some
40:58
Speaker 1: kind of justice for these women in their opinion. So
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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens here and we'll see if the
41:03
Speaker 1: prosecution decides to come back to the table and re-prosecute this.
41:08
Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
41:10
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41:12
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41:21
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