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- 0:08Speaker 1: Some lessons can't be taught with words. They have to
- 0:11Speaker 1: be lived. And sometimes the hardest lesson of all is
- 0:14Speaker 1: learning who's really in charge. Job discovered this the hard way.
- 0:19Speaker 1: After endless questions, complaints, and longing for answers, God finally spoke.
- 0:25Speaker 1: And what he showed Job in that moment changed everything.
- 0:28Speaker 1: Today on Insight for Living, Chuck Swindoll teaches from the
- 0:32Speaker 1: closing chapters of Job to reveal how a suffering man
- 0:35Speaker 1: came face to face with the majesty of his maker.
- 0:39Speaker 1: It's a journey towards surrender you won't soon forget.
- 0:50Speaker 2: Just a few verses from Job.
- 0:54Speaker 2: I've been saying that
- 0:59Speaker 2: for nine years now, I think.
- 1:03Speaker 3: This 42nd chapter, Job responds to the Lord's message.
- 1:12Speaker 2: In a wonderful manner.
- 1:16Speaker 3: After all he's been through, listen to these words of submission.
- 1:19Speaker 3: Job 42, beginning at verse 1. Then Job answered the
- 1:25Speaker 3: Lord and said, I know that you can do all
- 1:29Speaker 3: things and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
- 1:34Speaker 3: Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge? Therefore I
- 1:39Speaker 3: have declared that which I did not know, that which
- 1:44Speaker 3: I did not understand, things too wonderful for me which
- 1:48Speaker 3: I did not know. Hear now and I will speak.
- 1:54Speaker 3: I will ask you and you instruct me. I have
- 1:58Speaker 3: heard of you by the hearing of the ear, but
- 2:02Speaker 3: now my eye sees you. Therefore, I retract and I
- 2:14Speaker 3: repent in dust and ashes.
- 2:24Speaker 1: You're listening to Insight for Living. To dig deeper into
- 2:27Speaker 1: Job's story, be sure to purchase a copy of our
- 2:29Speaker 1: Searching the Scriptures Bible Study Workbook by going to insight.org
- 2:34Speaker 1: slash offer. Chuck titled today's message, Full Repentance for All
- 2:39Speaker 1: the Right Reasons.
- 2:41Speaker 3: It is difficult to cultivate a humble heart in a
- 2:44Speaker 3: contentious culture. Put another way, a repentant spirit is rarely
- 2:51Speaker 3: found in in a litigious society. How rarely do we
- 2:57Speaker 3: hear the words, I'm wrong, I'm sorry. And as opposed
- 3:04Speaker 3: to that, how often we hear the words, I will
- 3:06Speaker 3: sue you, I.
- 3:09Speaker 2: Will take you to court.
- 3:11Speaker 3: Just this past week, a good friend of mine sent
- 3:14Speaker 3: me a classic example of just how litigious our society is.
- 3:20Speaker 3: Matter of fact, it's an award-winning story. It won first
- 3:26Speaker 3: place in a recent criminal lawyers award contest.
- 3:32Speaker 2: A Charlotte, North Carolina lawyer.
- 3:34Speaker 3: Purchased a box of very rare and expensive cigars. He
- 3:40Speaker 3: then insured them against fire, among other things. Within a month,
- 3:46Speaker 3: having smoked his entire stockpile of these 24 great cigars,
- 3:53Speaker 3: and without yet having made even his first premium payment
- 3:57Speaker 3: on the policy, the lawyer filed a claim against the
- 4:00Speaker 3: insurance company. In his claim, this lawyer stated the cigars
- 4:05Speaker 3: were lost in a series of small fires. The insurance
- 4:11Speaker 3: company refused to pay, citing the obvious reason that the
- 4:16Speaker 3: man had consumed the cigars in the normal fashion that
- 4:20Speaker 3: was obvious. The lawyer sued and won. In delivering the ruling,
- 4:28Speaker 3: the judge agreed with the insurance company that the claim
- 4:32Speaker 3: was frivolous. The judge stated, nevertheless, that the lawyer held
- 4:37Speaker 3: a policy from the company in which it had warranted
- 4:40Speaker 3: that the cigars were insurable and also guaranteed that it
- 4:46Speaker 3: would insure them against fire without defining what is considered
- 4:51Speaker 3: to be unacceptable fire, and.
- 4:55Speaker 2: Was obligated to pay the claim.
- 4:58Speaker 3: Rather than endure a lengthy and costly appeal process, the
- 5:03Speaker 3: insurance company accepted the ruling and paid $ 15, 000 to the
- 5:09Speaker 3: lawyer for his loss of the rare cigars that had
- 5:13Speaker 3: been lost in the fires. And now for the best part.
- 5:20Speaker 3: After the lawyer cashed the check, the insurance company had
- 5:24Speaker 3: him arrested on 24 counts of arson. With his own
- 5:38Speaker 3: insurance claim and testimony from the previous case being used
- 5:43Speaker 3: against him, the lawyer was convicted of intentionally burning his
- 5:49Speaker 3: insured property was sentenced to 24 months in jail and
- 5:54Speaker 3: a $ 24, 000 fine.
- 6:06Speaker 2: Something inside every one of us goes, yes!
- 6:08Speaker 3: Yes! Let me say again how difficult it is to
- 6:15Speaker 3: cultivate a humble heart in a society like ours.
- 6:21Speaker 2: We who are.
- 6:22Speaker 3: Parents and you who are now parents of the young
- 6:25Speaker 3: of our generation work overtime dealing with the stubborn wills
- 6:35Speaker 3: of your children, which is your and my responsibility. It
- 6:41Speaker 3: isn't the school's responsibility. It isn't the policeman's responsibility. It
- 6:48Speaker 3: isn't the court's responsibility. It is yours and it is mine.
- 6:54Speaker 3: And it's a tough sled. First to get their attention
- 7:00Speaker 3: and then in the process to gain their respect. Deep
- 7:07Speaker 3: within our souls we know that our children operate their
- 7:13Speaker 3: lives under our authority. But that same awareness is not
- 7:19Speaker 3: in their hearts. It's a learned awareness. And there are
- 7:25Speaker 3: few things more beautiful to behold than a child or
- 7:30Speaker 3: a young adult who has learned that lesson, still evidencing
- 7:37Speaker 3: capability and giftedness and confidence in life, while at the
- 7:42Speaker 3: same time modeling a submissive spirit. They will not learn
- 7:48Speaker 3: that submission until they discover the words, I am wrong.
- 7:56Speaker 2: I am sorry. I repent.
- 8:01Speaker 3: The truth were known. It has been years in some
- 8:04Speaker 3: homes hearing me right now. Since you have heard your mate,
- 8:09Speaker 3: say something like that. It's long overdue. Now with all
- 8:15Speaker 3: of this as a background, sort of food for thought,
- 8:19Speaker 3: turn with me to Job 42 in verse 6. Admittedly,
- 8:26Speaker 3: it's unusual for me to go at the beginning of
- 8:29Speaker 3: a message to the end of my text. But because
- 8:34Speaker 3: it forms the climax of Job's inner life, I want
- 8:39Speaker 3: you to see it in all of its beauty and
- 8:43Speaker 3: then go back with me to discover how it was
- 8:47Speaker 3: finally placed there. This book ends with a wonderful conclusion
- 8:54Speaker 3: on Job's part to say nothing about his home and
- 8:58Speaker 3: family and the rewards that came following all the suffering.
- 9:02Speaker 3: This is Job personally. This is Job as a man.
- 9:08Speaker 3: This is the inner life of the one called the
- 9:13Speaker 3: servant of God. 42.6, I retract.
- 9:20Speaker 2: And I repent in dust and ashes.
- 9:25Speaker 3: I think it is noteworthy that God does not yet
- 9:28Speaker 3: remove the boils, that God has not yet brought back
- 9:34Speaker 3: the children, that the man is still bankrupt, in pain,
- 9:40Speaker 3: undergoing suffering, right up to this point, and that's all
- 9:46Speaker 3: by design, God will stop at nothing to bring us
- 9:51Speaker 3: to the place of full repentance. He doesn't bring relief
- 9:59Speaker 3: and then expect repentance. It is in the midst of
- 10:02Speaker 3: the pain he waits for words like this.
- 10:09Speaker 2: I retract, I repent.
- 10:13Speaker 3: One man very insightfully writes of this, Job has come
- 10:18Speaker 3: to a true assessment of himself.
- 10:21Speaker 2: Before the holy God.
- 10:23Speaker 3: Job both renounces all false pride and concedes that God
- 10:27Speaker 3: has been true to justice and allowing him to be
- 10:30Speaker 3: brought so low that he has had to sit outside
- 10:33Speaker 3: the city on an ash dump, on an ash heap.
- 10:38Speaker 3: The term recant, translated here retract, is the Hebrew word nikam, N-I-C-H-A-M.
- 10:49Speaker 3: And it means, listen, It means to turn from a
- 10:53Speaker 3: planned course of action.
- 10:57Speaker 2: And take up a new course.
- 11:01Speaker 3: It implies the strongest resolve to change directions.
- 11:08Speaker 2: That's it. That's repentance at its best.
- 11:14Speaker 3: I've been thinking one way which has caused me to
- 11:17Speaker 3: say what.
- 11:18Speaker 2: I've been saying.
- 11:19Speaker 3: I now realize I need to be going in that
- 11:25Speaker 3: other direction. And as we sometime refer to it, change
- 11:29Speaker 3: my tune. Having come to an end of himself, Job
- 11:34Speaker 3: sits humbly before his Lord, surrendered and contrite.
- 11:41Speaker 2: Surrendered. and contrite.
- 11:45Speaker 3: Two words we're not familiar with, especially in our culture.
- 11:50Speaker 3: Turn from here briefly to Psalm 51.
- 11:55Speaker 2: We'll be back to Job.
- 11:56Speaker 3: In a few moments, but first I want you to
- 11:58Speaker 3: see the words of David following the misery in the
- 12:04Speaker 3: backwash of his adultery with Bathsheba.
- 12:08Speaker 2: He wrote a song.
- 12:10Speaker 3: Realizing the wrongness of his actions, and they were plural,
- 12:15Speaker 3: not just adultery, but murder of Bathsheba's husband, Uriah, deception,
- 12:23Speaker 3: living a lie before the people, lack of leadership as
- 12:27Speaker 3: the king while caught up in the affair. He sees
- 12:32Speaker 3: it all. He sees it clearly and he repents. Psalm
- 12:37Speaker 3: 51 is the record of his repentance. I commend the
- 12:40Speaker 3: reading of it to you. He begins, be gracious to me,
- 12:43Speaker 3: O God, according to your loving kindness.
- 12:48Speaker 2: Notice he calls upon the grace of God.
- 12:51Speaker 3: According to the greatness of your compassion, blot out my transgressions.
- 12:58Speaker 3: Verse 2, wash me thoroughly from my iniquity and cleanse
- 13:02Speaker 3: me from my sin. I know my transgressions and my
- 13:06Speaker 3: sin is ever before me.
- 13:10Speaker 2: There's no hiding of the fact. There's no blaming of another.
- 13:14Speaker 3: There is nothing but naked, open confession in a heart
- 13:19Speaker 3: of repentance. Verse 10, create in me a clean heart,
- 13:25Speaker 3: O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. He
- 13:29Speaker 3: doesn't expect something of the people around him. He doesn't
- 13:33Speaker 3: expect another individual even to understand. He's getting it right
- 13:38Speaker 3: with God. That's where we start in repentance. Then he
- 13:43Speaker 3: comes in verse 17 to the verse I want to mention, develop.
- 13:47Speaker 3: The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit, a broken
- 13:54Speaker 3: and a contrite heart, O God, you will not despise.
- 13:59Speaker 2: Look closely at the verse. These are sacrifices.
- 14:06Speaker 3: These are sacrifices that God finds pleasure in a broken
- 14:11Speaker 3: spirit and a contrite heart. I meditated on those thoughts
- 14:20Speaker 3: quite a while and came up with a brief list
- 14:23Speaker 3: of five characteristics of a contrite heart. I've observed this
- 14:31Speaker 3: in others on a few occasions. I'm sorry it hasn't
- 14:34Speaker 3: been on many, but on a few occasions, And I've
- 14:38Speaker 3: experienced it myself on a few occasions. A contrite heart,
- 14:43Speaker 3: number one, nurses no grudges. Nurses no grudges. Contrite heart
- 14:51Speaker 3: never says, if it hadn't been for what she, or
- 14:55Speaker 3: if this hadn't happened then, or because I was raised
- 15:00Speaker 3: like I was raised then, none of that. A contrite
- 15:04Speaker 3: heart nurses no grudges. Second, makes no demands. I don't
- 15:12Speaker 3: come with a contrite heart demanding that you now do
- 15:16Speaker 3: this in return. So that leads me to the third.
- 15:19Speaker 3: Contrite heart has no expectations. I don't expect good treatment.
- 15:25Speaker 3: I don't expect to be treated nicely. I don't expect
- 15:28Speaker 3: people necessarily to forgive me. That'll have to take time.
- 15:32Speaker 3: I don't come with expectations. My contrite broken spirit and
- 15:36Speaker 3: my contrite broken heart come with simply no expectations. Fourth,
- 15:44Speaker 3: I offer no conditions, no ifs, no wishes. I simply
- 15:52Speaker 3: come broken and contrite. Nursing no grudges, makes no blames,
- 16:00Speaker 3: has no expectations, offers no conditions, anticipates no favors.
- 16:06Speaker 2: That's fifth.
- 16:08Speaker 3: I don't anticipate as a result that you will do
- 16:11Speaker 3: this or hopefully you will do that. I'm simply acknowledging
- 16:14Speaker 3: the wrongness of my actions, attitude, words. Now, what was
- 16:22Speaker 3: it that brought such a response to Job? When you
- 16:28Speaker 3: turn back, you will see those previous verses leading up
- 16:32Speaker 3: to chapter 42, beginning in chapter 40 in verse 6.
- 16:38Speaker 3: God begins by getting his attention, to use a human term,
- 16:43Speaker 3: by shaking his shoulders nice and firmly. And then God
- 16:47Speaker 3: gives him two unforgettable examples that show Job just how
- 16:54Speaker 3: far down he is in the in his own estimation
- 17:01Speaker 3: before God. But to begin with, God shakes his shoulders.
- 17:08Speaker 3: Before I read verse 6 and following, let me mention
- 17:12Speaker 3: what we've all gone through as parents. And nothing I
- 17:16Speaker 3: say will be politically correct, and that's why it's true
- 17:19Speaker 3: what I'm going to tell you. There are times parents,
- 17:23Speaker 3: all alone, without embarrassing their children before anyone else, all alone,
- 17:28Speaker 3: get their children by the shoulders and give them a
- 17:31Speaker 3: good firm shake.
- 17:33Speaker 2: Right? We'll just stop with the shake.
- 17:35Speaker 3: Okay?
- 17:35Speaker 2: Whatever else you do, that's between you and God. And
- 17:40Speaker 2: I'll leave it with that. But you have had enough.
- 17:44Speaker 3: Of their rhino will, you are not going to put
- 17:47Speaker 3: up with another day of it to say nothing of
- 17:50Speaker 3: even another minute of it, and you pull them aside
- 17:53Speaker 3: and you have a good talking to, we say. And
- 17:57Speaker 3: we say, I want you to understand that you are
- 17:59Speaker 3: the child and I am the parent.
- 18:02Speaker 2: You will do under this roof.
- 18:03Speaker 3: Exactly what I tell you to do, whether you like
- 18:07Speaker 3: it or not.
- 18:08Speaker 2: Is that clear? Some of your lips are moving. You've
- 18:11Speaker 2: done this before.
- 18:13Speaker 3: And we are in the process of helping every teacher
- 18:18Speaker 3: your child will have in the future. Every time they're
- 18:21Speaker 3: around a policeman, that policeman, though he doesn't know about it,
- 18:24Speaker 3: will thank you. Every time he's playing on a team
- 18:27Speaker 3: with a coach, that coach will be grateful that you
- 18:30Speaker 3: did your job as a parent. You got their attention.
- 18:34Speaker 3: And you didn't stop with just one shake. It may
- 18:37Speaker 3: have to happen again in another three or four days.
- 18:40Speaker 2: You are fed up. You have had it.
- 18:45Speaker 3: And that child is discovering that she or he does
- 18:49Speaker 3: not rule that roost, you do. And there's something wonderfully
- 18:54Speaker 3: healthy about that realization. I believe the Lord takes Job
- 18:59Speaker 3: by the shoulders and gives him a good shake in
- 19:02Speaker 3: verses 6 to 14. As a matter of fact, in
- 19:06Speaker 3: these verses, I think he's saying to him, Job, listen
- 19:10Speaker 3: to me. I am God, you are man. I am authority,
- 19:15Speaker 3: your servant. I am in charge, you are the clay.
- 19:22Speaker 3: I'm molding and shaping, you will be shaped. It's important
- 19:27Speaker 3: that you understand, Job, you are not on my level.
- 19:32Speaker 3: You are not God. See how he begins? Lord answered
- 19:36Speaker 3: Job out of a storm, verse 6, chapter 40. Now
- 19:39Speaker 3: gird up your loins like a man. I think it's
- 19:41Speaker 3: his way of saying, take this like a man.
- 19:44Speaker 2: Listen to me. I will ask you and you instruct me.
- 19:49Speaker 2: You let me know.
- 19:49Speaker 3: How you would answer will you really annul my judgment
- 19:54Speaker 3: will you condemn me that you may be justified or
- 19:58Speaker 3: do you have an arm like God and can you
- 20:01Speaker 3: thunder with a voice like his it's a picture of
- 20:04Speaker 3: power can you do what I do if you can
- 20:07Speaker 3: then verse 10 Adorn yourself with eminence and dignity and
- 20:11Speaker 3: clothe yourself with honor and majesty.
- 20:13Speaker 2: Pour out the overflowings of your anger and look on
- 20:16Speaker 2: everyone who is proud and make him low. You're able
- 20:19Speaker 2: to do that?
- 20:19Speaker 3: I can do that. Bring those proud people down, Job.
- 20:22Speaker 3: Look on everyone who is proud and humble him. Tread
- 20:25Speaker 3: down the wicked where they stand. Hide them in the
- 20:27Speaker 3: dust altogether. And bind them in the hidden place. Then
- 20:32Speaker 3: I will confess to you that your own right hand
- 20:35Speaker 3: can save you. Obviously, Job can't do that. Let's go
- 20:41Speaker 3: back to the shakes for a moment, okay? Let me
- 20:44Speaker 3: make something real clear to you, son. As the father,
- 20:47Speaker 3: I'm the one who earns the living in this home.
- 20:51Speaker 3: If you're in charge, you earn the living. You go
- 20:55Speaker 3: where I go. You work where I work. You make
- 20:57Speaker 3: what I make. You make the decisions I make. You
- 21:00Speaker 3: take care of the mortgage. You handle the details of
- 21:03Speaker 3: this family. You get everything in line. You make the plans.
- 21:06Speaker 3: You are in charge. Are you able to do that? Obviously,
- 21:08Speaker 3: the son has to say no. I can't do that.
- 21:11Speaker 2: Then understand, son, you're not the dad. You're the son.
- 21:15Speaker 2: That means you answer to me. I love you.
- 21:18Speaker 3: I will forever love you, but you will not rule
- 21:21Speaker 3: this home.
- 21:22Speaker 1: I love.
- 21:24Speaker 2: And the authority.
- 21:27Speaker 3: Sometimes they need illustrations that help convey this. And so,
- 21:34Speaker 3: God gives him a couple of illustrations. I think Job
- 21:39Speaker 3: may have been a lover of the animal world and
- 21:42Speaker 3: something of a student of that world and the Lord
- 21:45Speaker 3: knew that and chose a couple of animals. Got your
- 21:48Speaker 3: pen ready? I want you to circle two unusual words.
- 21:51Speaker 3: Verse 15, Behold now, Circle that. I know it's unclear,
- 22:01Speaker 3: but just circle it.
- 22:03Speaker 2: Behold Behemoth.
- 22:06Speaker 3: Verse 1 of chapter 41. Circle Leviathan. Can you draw
- 22:13Speaker 3: out Leviathan?
- 22:16Speaker 2: Right about now, you're glad you're the listener and not
- 22:18Speaker 2: the preacher, aren't you? Because... it would be a tough thing.
- 22:22Speaker 3: And believe me, it's not that easy to ferret out
- 22:25Speaker 3: exactly where God is going with his speech. And it
- 22:28Speaker 3: is my task to try to do that. I believe
- 22:32Speaker 3: he is showing Job two animals that are at the
- 22:35Speaker 3: top of the food chain, two animals that are virtually unintimidated.
- 22:41Speaker 2: They can take care of themselves in the wild. Most
- 22:44Speaker 2: every other animal bows to them. And if they don't,
- 22:47Speaker 2: they pay a terrible price, usually their life.
- 22:51Speaker 3: The behemoth represents the hippopotamus, which I understand is far
- 22:56Speaker 3: more dangerous and deadly than most of us usually think
- 22:59Speaker 3: of when we think of the hippopotamus. The Leviathan is
- 23:02Speaker 3: the crocodile. We'll look at the Leviathan in a moment.
- 23:08Speaker 3: We'll look first now at the behemoth. God's point, before
- 23:12Speaker 3: we get there, God's point, both of these beasts, though
- 23:17Speaker 3: they are intimidating to you, were made by me. and
- 23:21Speaker 3: are continually subservient to me. They have the natures I
- 23:25Speaker 3: gave them. They do precisely as I built them or
- 23:28Speaker 3: created them to do. And if you're unable to handle these,
- 23:33Speaker 3: obviously you're not on my level. And if you, in fact,
- 23:37Speaker 3: are afraid of them, as Job certainly must have been,
- 23:40Speaker 3: then you certainly are not what would qualify as deity.
- 23:45Speaker 3: And another reminder of the importance of submission to one
- 23:49Speaker 3: who was creator. First, the hippopotamus. Verses 15 to 24,
- 23:54Speaker 3: chapter 40. I made that animal as well as you.
- 23:59Speaker 3: Notice the opening. His strengths and his loins, 16 through 18,
- 24:04Speaker 3: is a reference to the strength of the hippopotamus. The
- 24:07Speaker 3: power is in his muscles. Tail is like a cedar,
- 24:11Speaker 3: picture of strength. Sinews of thighs are knit together. His
- 24:15Speaker 3: bones are tubes of bronze.
- 24:17Speaker 2: This is poetry.
- 24:19Speaker 3: Colorful language to illustrate this. His limbs are like bars
- 24:24Speaker 3: of iron. He is first of the ways of God.
- 24:30Speaker 3: If I, Yahweh, am powerful enough to create and subdue
- 24:35Speaker 3: a creature this strong and intimidating, I'm deserving of your trust,
- 24:43Speaker 3: your submission, your worship.
- 24:54Speaker 1: There's something striking about that scene, isn't there? The God
- 24:57Speaker 1: who spins galaxies and governs every creature on earth, pausing
- 25:01Speaker 1: to reach one struggling man. Job wanted answers. What he
- 25:05Speaker 1: received was far greater, a glimpse of the one who
- 25:08Speaker 1: holds it all. You're listening to Insight for Living and
- 25:11Speaker 1: the Bible teaching of Chuck Swindoll. Chuck titled today's message,
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