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Mega Edition: Nicholas Tartaglione Is Found Guilty Of Multiple Homicides (5/13/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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Nicholas Startaglioni, the man who was accused of murdering four
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people in a drug deal gone wrong, who also shared
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a cell with Jeffrey Epstein during his first alleged suicide attempt,
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has been found guilty on all four counts and now
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he's facing life behind bars. So today we have an
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article from The New York Times talking about this conviction,
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So let's get to it. Headline, police officer with bit
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part in Epstein jail drama is convicted of murder. So
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this author obviously has no idea about the real story
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here and has no idea, with all due respect, the
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nuance going on right under her nose. This article was
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authored by Karen Drake, and just to be clear, I've
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never even heard of this all third before, and I've
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never seen her even cover anything related to Epstein. But
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she's over here with this headline talking about a bit
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part for Nicholas Tartaglioni. Huh okay, I mean, I guess
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tell me you know nothing about the Jeffrey Epstein case.
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Without telling me you know nothing. Nearly seven years to
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the day that four men were lured to a bar
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in Chester, New York, and killed gangland style. A retired
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police officer turned drug dealer was found guilty in their murders.
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Nicholas Tartaglioni, the former officer, was convicted on all counts
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in federal court in White Plains, New York, and faces
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life in prison. Mister Tartaglioni's heinous act represents a broader betrayal,
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as he was a former police officer who once swore
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to protect the very community he devastated. Damian Williams, the
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US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, said
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in a statement on Thursday, So Tartaglioni's gonna have a
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rough go of it. X Cops never farewell in prison,
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So this guy's gonna have to piece up right away
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and go hang out with the child molesters, the snitches,
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and the other undesirables. Imagine being an undesirable amongst undesirables,
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basically the human version of the Island of Misfit Toys.
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Prosecutors said that mister Tartaglioni, an avid bodybuilder who had
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retired from the Briarcliff Manor Police department in two thousand
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and eight had been running a drug ring. In twenty fifteen,
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he suspected that a man named Martin Luna had stolen
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money from him. It's a lot more elaborate than that.
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It started off as a steroid operation, and then obviously
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Tartaglioni figured out he could make more money with a
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little booger sugar and decided to get in on some
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of that, and he happened to have a hookup with
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Martin Luna and things transpired from there. Unfortunately, when you
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get into the drug game, especially if you're talking about
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getting product from the cartels down in Mexico, you're stepping
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into a whole different ring and things can go south
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real quick. You can lose your money and you certainly
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can lose your life. That's why it's never a good
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idea to get into this shit in the first place.
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On April eleventh of the following year, mister Tartaglioni larned
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mister Luna to a bar in order to confront him,
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prosecutors said, not knowing it was a trap, mister Luna
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brought with him his nephews, Miguel Luna and Urbano Santiago
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and a family friend, Hector Gutiadez. I highly doubt that
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he brought those dudes along just for the ride. He
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probably brought them as backup, but he didn't expect things
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to go as south as they did. And when you're
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confronted by a bunch of juice head gorillas like uh Tartaglioni,
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bender Roth and the other cat, well, things are gonna
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go bad for you real quick, especially when they are armed.
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What occurred next could only be described as pure terror.
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Mister Williams said. Prosecutor said that mister Tartaglioni tortured mister
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Luna and forced one of his nephews to watch as
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he strangled him with the zip tie. Now that's interesting, Huh.
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What happened to Jeffrey Epstein that first time in the
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jail cell? Oh that's right, he was strangled, right, And
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what did Jeffrey Epstein say happen to him in that cell?
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Oh that's right, Tartaglioni assaulted him. So why are we
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going to believe that Tartaglioni didn't assault Jeffrey Epstein. We're
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just going to take the word of Nicholas Tartaglioni, and
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then to double down on the stupidity. You want me
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to take the word of the MCC one of the
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worst run facilities in the whole entire country. In fact,
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it was run so bad folks that they had to
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close it down. So we should take the word of
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those guards who fell asleep and Nicholas Tartaglioni that he
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had nothing to do with roughing up Jeffrey Epstein. Does
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anyone out there really believe that? But if you do,
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I would love for you to explain it to me
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in stupid people terms so that I can understand as well,
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Because there's no way in hell that Epstein tried to
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kill himself in that jail cell the first time around,
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and Nicholas Tartaglioni came riding in like some white knight
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to save the day. If he was gonna stop Epstein
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from doing that, why would he ever let Epstein do
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it in the first place, meaning even go through with
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the process. Wouldn't you stop him the very first minute
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he started to put something around his neck. But no,
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you want me to believe that he let him go
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through with it, let him start hanging himself and then
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stopped it. Huh yeah, okay, sure, I mean maybe other
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people are gonna believe that, but not this skinny guinea.
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He and two associates then took the other men to
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the woods, where they shot them and buried them in
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a mass grave. Mister Tartaglioni of Otisville, New York, was
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arrested in December twenty sixteen. As the authorities continued their investigation,
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one of his accomplices killed himself. That man, Gerard Benderoff,
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who was also a retired police officer and bodybuilder, was
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pulled over by FBI agents and local police officers in Haverstraw,
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New York, in March of twenty seventeen. They were hoping
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to get him to cooperate in the inquiry, but he
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shot himself before they reached the car, and Benderoff was
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all the way in it. This dude was locked in
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with Tartaglioni, was involved in the killings and knew that
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his time was up. And also being an ex police officer,
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he knew that he wouldn't have a good time of
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it if he went to prison, So in his mind
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he's saying to himself, this is the best course of action. Here,
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I'm just gonna kill myself, be done with it, and
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I'd have to deal with what's coming my way, because
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there was no doubt that all of these dudes were guilty,
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just like there's no doubt in my mind anyway that
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Tartaglioni was in that jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein to
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send him a message. Bodybuilder Joseph Biggs, a school security
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guard from Nanawit, New York, was charged that June with
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having a role in the murders. He testified against mister Tartaglioni,
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hoping for a more lenient sentence. The Journal News reported
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he and mister Benderoff had worked for mister Tartaglioni, collecting
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debts from customers who bought steroids from them outside local gyms.
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He testified, he detailed how he, mister Benderoff and mister
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Tartaglioni carried out the killings, and we read his testimony
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here on the podcast, and it was damning. When you
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have a co conspirator come out and talk like that
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about you in open court, good luck and I love
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when they're like, oh, well, he's a criminal, you shouldn't
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listen to what he has to say, breaking news. All
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of these people are criminals, all their friends are criminals.
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And if you're gonna get somebody to snitch on one
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of these criminals, chances are breaking news. The person snitching,
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he's a criminal too. Mister Biggs and mister Tartaglione, we're
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both charged with seventeen counts, including murder, kidnapping, and drugs
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and weapons charges. Prosecutors said last year that they would
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not pursue the death penalty for mister Tartaglioni at the
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direction of Attorney General Merrick Garland. Oh, I wonder if
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that was the little kickback. Huh ah. You helped us
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with Epstein, so we're gonna make sure you don't get
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the death penalty. I'm being a bit cynical there, but really,
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when it comes down to it, I question everything when
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it comes to Epstein, his death and the bullshit investigation
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that came after it. And don't even get me started
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on this whole Nicholas Tartaglioni situation. It should have never
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happened in the first place. He should have never been
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in a jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein and whoever, okay
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that signed off on it. Should have been fired a
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long time ago. But guess what, that person wasn't fired.
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Nobody was fired. A lawyer for mister Tartaglioni, Bruce A. Barkett,
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said that his client maintained his innocence and would have
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the verdict. They don't have an accurate picture of who
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did this, he said, of the prosecutors. No, well, they
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just got a conviction, didn't they, mister Bruce Barkett. After
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his arrest, mister Tartaglioni shared a jail cell for a
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time with mister Epstein, the disgraced financier you mean, pedophile
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jailed on sex trafficking charges. Mister Tartaglioni alerted guards to
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a suicide attempt by mister Epstein in twenty nineteen, his
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lawyers said at the time, while his lawyers said it,
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and Tartaglioni said it, and MCC said it, so it
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must be the truth. I mean, really, who's buying this nonsense.
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It's just amazing to me that more people aren't up
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in arms about what went on here in this jail.
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After the incident, mister Epstein accused mister Tartaglioni of assaulting
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him a charge that mister Tartaglioni denied. A prison official
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said at the time that mister Epstein's story appeared to
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be an attempt to avoid being put on suicide watch.
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He killed himself less than a month later, you mean
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allegedly killed himself less than a month later. I mean,
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I guess if you're buying the official narrative, then yeah,
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I guess he killed himself a month later. And if
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you're buying that narrative, then you must be buying the
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narrative that Tartaglioni was mistakenly put in the cell with
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Jeffrey Epstein and the cameras just happened to not work
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while he was in that cell with Jeffrey Epstein, while
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Jeffrey Epstein apparently allegedly tried to commit suicide. Now, if
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you want to believe that, that's completely fine with me. However,
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I do not. All right, folks, that's gonna do it
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for this one. All of the information that goes with
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the episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
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and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
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we're gonna get a Nicholas Tartaglioni trial update as one
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of his co conspirators testifies against him. So let's get
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into the article by the Lowhood and let's see what
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Jonathan Bandler has for us headlined Bodybuilder details strangling fatal
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shootings in Tartaglioni quadruple murder trial. So is it any
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shock that Tartaglioni is accused of strangling somebody here considering
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what happened to Jeffrey Epstein and that jel cell I mean,
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you know, just another coincidence, right, One man, Martin Luna,
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was already dead over a two hundred thousand dollars drug debt,
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his body wrapped in a blue tarp, his two relatives
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and a family friend their hands tied, knelt on the
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ground as ex cop Nicholas Tartaglioni told them everything would
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be okay. But Joseph Biggs, a bodybuilding enforcer who collected
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debts for Tartaglioni, detailed for a federal Jerry Wednesday how
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the man would not leave that mountain side clearing in
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Orange County alive seven years ago. He said he shot
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one of them in the head, handed the black revolver
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to Tartaglioni. And turned away, hearing two more gunshots as
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the other men were killed as well. And you'll see
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that a lot. When somebody's going to be involved in
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a murder, everybody there has to kill somebody so that
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they all take part, right with the thought being if
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everybody takes part in the murder, nobody's gonna snitch. But
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we know that that's not the case, especially here considering
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Biggs snitched on his boy tartag Leoni quick as hell.
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And when you're looking at a life sentence, yeah, it's
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time to start talking. He said he had resisted moments
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earlier when his fellow enforcer, another ex cop named Gerard Benderroth,
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told him he was going to get his hands dirty
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and demanded he take the gun. Benderoth told him he
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had two choices. Either you leave here with us, or
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you stay with them. Biggs recounted him saying, so he's saying,
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according to Biggs here that he was bullied into this
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and told that if he didn't pull the trigger that
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they'd kill him too. And while I don't know how
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much I buy of that, it's certainly possible. But if
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I was on the jury, you'd really have to convince
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me of that. Biggs as a key witness. Biggs testified
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as the main cooperating witness against Tartaglioni, who is charged
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with murder, kidnapping, and drug conspiracy in the April eleventh,
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twenty sixteen murders of Martin Luna forty one, his twenty
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five year old nephew, Miguel Luna, his niece's husband, Urbano
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Santiago thirty five, and Hector Cutiadez forty three. Biggs said
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Tartaglioni strangled Martin Luna to death hours earlier at a
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Chester bar where he had been lured, and the others
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who had not been expected to show up with Luna
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were killed on the property Tartaglioni rented at the time
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in Mount Hope. The bodies were not discovered until eight
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months later. Yeah, kind of hard to find the bodies
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when they're buried in a place like that unless you
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have somebody who's going to give you the information, right,
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somebody who's going to work with you as an infant.
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But unless you have that, it's very difficult to recover
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bodies that are buried in this kind of manner, especially
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on a property like this that's so sprawling. Unless you
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have an informant, There's literally no way you're ever gonna
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find those bodies. Biggs is the only eyewitness account of
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the killings. The jury will hear. Bender Roth, the man
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he said helped him and TARTAGLIONI restrain and kill the
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four men, fatally shot himself on March eighth, twenty seventeen,
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as FBI agents were approaching his car to arrest him.
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Benderroth had been a police officer in Haverstraw and New
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York City and was a strong man competitor known as
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the White Rhino. This is a big dude right here.
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And I remember when I was first looking at the
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TARTAGLIONI reading about bender Roth and how he killed himself
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when the FBI was rolling up on him. He knew
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he was cooked. He knew that he was guilty of
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these crimes, and he knew that if the FBI was
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on to him, then the jig was up. And this
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was a gigantic man. Imagine being the EMS people that
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had to come and pull him out of his car
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after he killed himself. You need a fucking crane. Biggs,
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now sixty one, lived in Nanuitt and was a security
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guard at the Greenberg gram School in Hastings on the
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Hudson when he was arrested in the parking lot there
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in June twenty seventeen. And all of these places are
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in my neck of the woods where I grew up.
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I grew up in South Yonkers, the South Bronx before
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moving to Las Vegas, and this is literally like fifteen
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twenty minutes away from where I used to live. Bigg's background.
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He said he was a drug addict from his teenage
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years until his late twenties, when he stopped at the
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time his youngest child was born. He supported his habit
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with armed robberies and burglaries, but avoided any criminal record.
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He said that he had been sexually abused by a
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coach when he was fourteen, and called himself a garbage
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head after that, taking cocaine, heroin, LSD, marijuana, anything to
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just not feel like me. Look, I have a lot
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of sympathy for people who are abused sexually, especially, but
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that doesn't give you the cover later on. If you
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come out here and you're murdering people, you still have
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to answer for what you did. Sure, it sucks that
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you were abused, and I'm sure, the jury's going to
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take that into account, but that doesn't mean you're getting
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off scot free. He said. He met Tartaglioni through the
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local gym scene in Rockland and began buying steroids from
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him on a regular basis around two thousand and six,
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usually in the parking lot of the McDonald's and West Nayak.
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A friendship developed, and Big said that around twenty thirteen,
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Tartaglioni started using him and Benderroth as enforcers to collect
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debts from steroid customers. Their typical approach, Big said was
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to confront the customer as they left the gym, box
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them in between park cars and demand the money. If
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they didn't pay up, he said, we take him somewhere
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where the money was. Biggs acknowledged a complicated relationship with Benderoth,
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including consensual sex between the two, even after a bizarre
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incident in the married X Cops bedroom that ended with
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Benderov sexually assaulting him. He had gone there because Benderov
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asked him if he wanted to engage in a threesome
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with him and his wife. Once in the bedroom, though
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the wife was not there and Benderov came on to him,
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Big said He tried to step away, but Benderov began
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beating him, pinning him to the ground, and forcing him
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into sex. Yo, this is all brand new to me.
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I didn't know these dudes were out here raping each
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other in shit. Jesus, But again it goes to show
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you this Nicholas tartag Leoni dude should have never been
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in a jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein. I put myself
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in a situation, he told Assistant US attorney Maureen Komi.
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I didn't see it coming despite the violence of it.
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Biggs acknowledged having sexual contact with Benderoth on other occasions
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and said he never told anyone about it until his
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arrest in March twenty seventeen because he was embarrassed. He
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did scale down his collections with Benderoth, though, he said,
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because he was more profitable to get a package of
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steroids from Tartaglioni as compensation for the collections than the
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cash Benderroth was giving them. Almost always, it's going to
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be more profitable if somebody is collecting their bounty, if
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you will, in drugs rather than money, because the drugs
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are plentiful, right the drug dealers are getting them at
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a wholesale cost. It's almost like booze at a bar.
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The shift to cocaine, he said. He learned in late
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twenty fifteen that Tartaglioni had taken up cocaine trafficking, investing
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in the purchase of cocaine in Texas and having it
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sold in Florida with the help of Luna, Luna's boss
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who lived in Florida, Jason Sullivan, who bigs new just
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As Jay, and Marcos Cruz, a farmhand of Tartaglionies. But
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in early twenty sixteen, Tartaglioni asked for his help getting
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more than two hundred thousand dollars back from Luna, who
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claimed that the second time he went to Texas to
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buy cocaine, the people he paid took off with the
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money and never gave him the drugs. He said he
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met with Luna and Cruz, but soon Luna broke off communication.
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Tartaglioni then sent both Benderoth and Biggs to find Luna,
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but they couldn't. My guess is Luna burned them. Right.
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Luna probably took this money and thought he was gonna
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get away with it. Well, this is the narco game
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and people aren't just going to forget a two hundred
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thousand dollars debt. What Biggs testified about the killings. On
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April eleventh, twenty sixteen, with the help of Sullivan, they
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lurned Luna to the Liquid Lounge, a bar owned by
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Tartaglioni's brother in a Chester strip mall. Bigs said they
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had Benderoth meet Luna at the door because the two
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men had never met. Luna had been expected to come alone,
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but he brought along Miguel Luna, Santiago and Gutiades. Once
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they entered, Big said Luna recognized him and bolted for
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the emergency exit, but it had been blocked, and he
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bounced off the heavy door. Benderoth then ordered everyone onto
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the floor at gunpoint. As Benderroth kneeled on Luna's back,
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Big started duct taping the other's hands. He said. The
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three men were put in the office and Luna was
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seated on a chair in the bathroom, his hands bound
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behind his back. And remember this is the guy they
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put into a jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein. Just keep
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that in mind. When Tartaglioni arrived, Big said he went
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into the bathroom to confront Luna. Big said he stayed
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in the office watching the others, but could hear the
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smacking sounds of Luna being beaten and Tartaglioni demanding his money.
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Big said he didn't know any of the others, but
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described Santiago as the other captive, who was then put
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into the bathroom as well. While Tartaglioni continued to beat
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up Luna, Big said he heard a gasping, choking sound
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for about thirty seconds and looked in to see Martin
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Luna lying motionless on his side, bleeding from his head,
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Santiago looking very scared. Tartaglioni went to his car to
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get a tarp, and Biggs was directed to wipe up
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a blood streak. Big said he helped Tartaglioni carry the
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body to the car because he spoke Spanish. Biggs was
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also tasked with making sure Santiago complied when he was
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directed to call a relative to say there was a
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problem and he had to go to Mexico. After Tartaglioni
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ended the call, Big said Santiago told Tartaglioni he was
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going to get him the money. When Tartaglioni drove off
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with Luna's body. Big said he urged Benderoth that they
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should just leave, that the police could show up, because
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someone from the Chinese restaurant next door had heard noises
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and was asking what was going on. They soon drove
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the other men to Tartaglioni's property on Old Mountain Road
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in Mount Hope. Look, they had a chance right there
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to get done with all of it and call the
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cops and turn in Tartaglioni. They didn't. They continued on
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with their mission and even brought the victims to a
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new location. While Big said he did not watch the
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second and third man get shot, he suggested Tartaglioni and
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Benderoth had each shot one of them because he had
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given the gun to Tartaglioni, but Benderov was holding it.
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Immediately after two gunshots, he said he was directed to
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cut the duct tape off the men's hands, and Tartaglioni
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got a back hoo to start digging a hole, and
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the bodies of the three men who were shot were
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thrown inside. But they had to stop digging because a
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piece of the back ho fell off when Benderov told
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him to get in the hole. And retrieve the broken
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piece and looked at Tartaglioni. Biggs got the impression he
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wanted to kill him, but Tartaglioni shook his head and
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hands indicating no. Big said, hell of a group of friends. Huh,
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guys sexually assaulting you? Gonna kill you? Real great group
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of dudes you decided to throw in with. Before Luna's
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body was thrown into the hole on top of the others,
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Big said, Tartaglioni cut a zip tie from around Luna's neck.
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They shoveled dirt onto the bodies until nightfall. Tartaglioni then
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threw the dead man's wallets and other belongings into a
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furnace near the house. Big said he and Benderroth were
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sent to pick up Cruise so they could use a
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key fob taken from the dead men to find a
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car they had arrived in and move it as far
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away from the bar as possible. They didn't manage to
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find it. On their way back to Rockland County that night,
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Big said Benderroth threw the spent shell casings and remaining
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bullets from the black Revolver out the window on the
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New York State Thruway. He wasn't sure if he threw
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the gun out. As well. BIG's guilty plea and cooperation.
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Biggs is pleaded guilty to murder, kidnapping, and drug as
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he charges, and agreed to cooperate with federal prosecutors in
24:04
hopes of some leniency from a mandatory sentence of life
24:07
in prison. That's the only incentive he needs. He suggested,
24:11
to testify truthfully, I'd like to hold my grandchildren. He said, Well,
24:15
guess what, dude, you shouldn't have been involved in killing
24:18
these guys. I know you have a sob story and
24:20
all of that, but guess what the buck stops with
24:23
you self responsibility get some but he acknowledged on cross
24:28
examination by defense lawyer Bruce Barkett that his truthfulness and
24:32
cooperation are for the lawyers relying on him. The prosecutor said,
24:36
to determine the defense maintains that Tartaglioni was framed for
24:41
the murders, that the drug conspiracy had involved Luna Cruz, Sullivan, Biggs,
24:45
and Benderroth and not Tartaglioni. Barket side of the fact
24:48
that Tartaglioni never had a burner phone like Biggs and Sullivan,
24:52
and that it was Sullivan, not TARTAGLIONI, who had access
24:56
to the money and the cocaine in Florida. It's always
24:59
somebody else that's right, And whenever somebody's doing the not
25:02
me routine of defense and not bringing receipts, I automatically
25:06
default to them lying. Barkett questioned Biggs about the contacts
25:11
in his burner phone that showed j Sullivan and Marcos
25:14
Cruz with dollar signs next to their names, and he
25:17
suggested that it was actually Biggs who had strangled Martin Luna.
25:21
He cited an incident for which Biggs was arrested in
25:24
twenty fifteen for squeezing a man's neck until he lost
25:27
consciousness after his daughter had claimed the man assaulted her,
25:31
and he got Biggs to concede that five to ten
25:34
times he had acted similarly to try to get people
25:37
to pay their debts. Boy, that's ironic, hunh. Barket's out
25:41
here accusing this dude of being a strangler. Meanwhile, we
25:44
all know that Tartaglione strangled Jeffrey Epstein in that jail cell.
25:49
The defense maintains details had been fed to the cooperators
25:53
to fit their narrative of the case. Biggs conceded to
25:56
Barket that a New York State Police investigator had told
25:59
him that he thought Tartaglioni had snapped and something bad happened,
26:03
and that Luna had been killed by Tartaglioni. Anrid direct
26:08
comy asked Biggs of a law enforcement agent had ever
26:11
told Biggs to frame Tartaglioni. They had not. He said,
26:15
if you tell a single lie, what happens, She asked,
26:18
I go to jail for the rest of my life.
26:21
And that's no joke. If you're a witness and you
26:23
tell a lie on that stand, forget it. All deals
26:25
are off and you're going to prison forever. So the
26:29
whole entire account here by mister Biggs smacks true to me.
26:32
We know that Tartaglioni's guilty of this, come on, several
26:35
people have already said so, and the evidence is just
26:38
a mile high. So I have no doubt that Tartaglioni's
26:42
gonna be found guilty here. But the question still remains,
26:45
what was he doing in that jail cell with Jeffrey
26:48
Epstein And will we ever get an answer to that question.
26:53
All right, folks, that's gonna do it for this one.
26:55
All of the information that goes with the episode can
26:57
be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
27:01
welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. On tonight's episode, we're
27:06
going to talk about Nicholas Tartaglioni a little bit and
27:10
how he will not face the death penalty in his
27:14
homicide case. Now, Nicholas Tartaglioni, for those of you who
27:18
might have forgotten, was the man who was sharing a
27:21
cell with Jeffrey Epstein the first time around when Epstein
27:26
allegedly attempted to kill himself. Now the question is why
27:31
was a man like Nicholas Tartaglioni in a cell with
27:35
Jeffrey Epstein in the first place, a man who was
27:40
alleged to have committed some pretty serious crimes against some
27:44
pretty serious people over drugs. Does that sound like the
27:50
proper cellmate for one of your most prized inmates. Somebody
27:54
that you know is a risk, somebody that you know
27:58
could be extorted or hurt or whatever else you want
28:03
to add into that mix. That's the guy you want
28:06
to put into the cell with Epstein, right, but somehow
28:10
this guy who was looking at four homicides ends up
28:14
in a cell with Jeffrey Epstein and then just coincidentally,
28:19
Epstein decides he's going to attempt to kill himself with
28:23
this guy as his cellmate. Now, before we get into
28:26
the article, the updated article from a couple of weeks
28:29
ago about Tartaglioni and his current case status, I wanted
28:34
to do a quick refresher. So I have an article
28:38
from the New York Post, a relatively short article that
28:41
details what Epstein told his lawyers and stuff the day
28:45
that he allegedly tried to kill himself in that jail cell,
28:50
and it certainly doesn't match up with what the official
28:53
narrative ended up being. So let's jump into the first
28:58
article from the New York Post and let's see what
29:01
Bruce Golding and Emily Saul have to say. Headline, Epstein
29:06
told lawyers that sell May Nicholas Tartaglioni ruffed them up. Now,
29:11
why would Jeffrey Epstein tell his lawyers that he got
29:13
ruffed up by this dude? If he didn't, if he was,
29:16
if he attempted, if he attempted suicide like the official
29:20
narrative says, then why would he even bring Tartaglioni into it?
29:24
And furthermore, Tartaglioni says, well, I've saved his life. Well,
29:29
if that's the case, why wouldn't you stop him from
29:31
even making the attempt. You're in that little cell together.
29:34
You mean to tell me you aren't aware that he
29:36
was attempting to kill himself. See, none of it make sense.
29:40
And the official narrative that they've pitched to us, that
29:43
doesn't make sense either. There's never been a proper look
29:47
at what went on here. As far as the public goes, Oh,
29:52
I'm sure that everybody trusts Bill Barr, right, Republicans, Democrats,
29:56
everybody loves Darth Barr said nobody ever, I certainly have
30:01
never trusted Bill Barr, and honestly, I don't know anybody
30:03
who does so. Him telling me that he saw video
30:07
or he has confirmed this or that is not very reassuring,
30:11
and frankly, I don't believe what he has to say.
30:16
Jeffrey Epstein told his lawyers that a hulking ex cop
30:20
inflicted the injuries that left him nearly unconscious in his
30:23
cell last month. A source close to the convicted pedophiles
30:26
case told the Post, I mean, how isn't there more
30:30
being made out of that? When you talk to the
30:32
legacy media, you know, you had, like the New York
30:34
Times article that tried to wrap things up with a nice,
30:36
pretty little bow talking about how you know it's been
30:40
solved and there's nothing here. I don't buy any of that, right,
30:45
especially this first time around. What happened in this cell
30:48
the first time around is even more dodgy than him
30:52
dying in the cell alone. You don't just get ruffed
30:55
up when you're in a cell with a guy like
30:58
tartag Leoni on your own just try and commit suicide
31:01
all of a sudden. I just don't buy it. And
31:04
there has never been a real, good or proper examination
31:09
into any of this. The footage gets lost, the cameras
31:12
aren't turned on. I mean, are you kidding me right now?
31:16
Epstein was treated for neck injuries following the July twenty
31:19
third incident inside the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Lower Manhattan.
31:24
Law enforcement officials have said at the time, Epstein was
31:28
sharing a cell with former Westchester County cop Nicholas Tartaglioni,
31:32
who faces the death penalty, a death penalty trial in
31:35
four drug related slayings upstate. Now again, this dude clipped
31:41
people over drug trafficking, and the people that he ended
31:46
up killing, according to these reports, according to what prosecutors say,
31:51
they were operators for the cartel. So that tells you
31:55
the kind of serious player that TARTAGLIONI is. You don't
31:58
get involved in something like this as a trafficker millions
32:01
of dollars kilo's worth of blow and then have the
32:05
audacity to execute operators from the cartel if you're not
32:11
a serious person who's capable of serious, serious crimes. So
32:14
again I ask you, is this the right guy to
32:17
be in a jail cell with Jeffrey Ebstein. Epstein told
32:23
his lawyers that the cop roughed them up, and that's
32:26
why they got him off Suicide Watch, the sore said.
32:29
Tartaglione's lawyer, Bruce Barkett disputed that account, saying, I spoke
32:34
to his lawyers and they never hinted at that to me.
32:37
But he must have said something to get off Suicide Watch.
32:40
Of course he said something. This dude definitely tuned them up,
32:42
in my opinion, and I honestly believe that. I don't
32:46
think that Epstein had any desire to kill himself, certainly
32:50
not at this point. This first attempt, now the second
32:53
attempt or the second time around when he ended up
32:57
dying still debatable. I've said it a million times. I'm
33:00
too sure what happens in that cell. In that cell,
33:02
we haven't seen all of the evidence. Can we see
33:04
some of the video please? All we're going on is
33:06
what the official narrative has given us. And frankly, again,
33:10
I have little faith in the official narrative. But this
33:14
first time around, when he was in the cell with TARTAGLIONI,
33:18
none of that makes sense to me. None of it
33:20
has ever made sense to me. And the fact that
33:22
it was basically brushed under the rug in the aftermath
33:27
of Epstein's death, that doesn't make sense to me either.
33:33
I do know that Nick was not brought up on
33:35
any charges at all in the institution, so they cleared
33:39
them bark It said, Oh well, that's that's nice, you know,
33:41
because the institution is just the infallible institution. They cleared
33:45
him because they didn't want to deal with it, right,
33:47
more egg on their face. Oh man, now we got
33:50
to deal with this shit. Epstein gets assaulted by this
33:52
idiot we put in the cell with him. And meanwhile,
33:55
another thing about Tartaglioni, which is crazy, is a few
33:59
weeks before he was he even put into the cell
34:01
with Jeffrey Epstein, they found a contraband cell phone in
34:05
this dude's cell. So you get moved to a better environment,
34:11
meaning off the main line, and put into a cell
34:13
with Jeffrey Epstein for what reason. The dude should have
34:16
been in solitary confinement by himself if he was found
34:20
with contraband, But somehow he ends up in this cell
34:23
with Jeffrey Epstein, and there's still again no logical explanation
34:28
for any of that. It's simply patently false to say
34:32
that Epstein did anything other than to try to kill
34:35
himself at least twice and succeeded. When he succeeded, Barket added,
34:39
we were a little worried that we would make up
34:41
something to get out of Suicide Watch or try and
34:44
argue for Belle. But it's pretty clear what happened given
34:46
the end result here. Oh yeah, pretty clear what happened
34:49
anything to get your client off right, And now that
34:53
we know that TARTAGLIONI is not even going to face
34:56
the death penalty. It's probably a good thing that they
34:59
fought this because he could have got stuck with another
35:01
charge here if he was found at fault. But I
35:06
highly doubt that anyone even investigated it. Remember Tartaglione didn't
35:10
decide to put himself into the jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein.
35:13
The administrators of the facility did. Who made that call?
35:16
Can we talk to that person? Can that person get
35:19
put under oath in front of Congress? Can we have
35:21
real examinations of what went on here? Or no. The
35:27
revelation came as Manhattan Federal Judge Richard Berman, who was
35:30
overseeing the child sex trafficking case against Epstein, released a
35:34
Monday letter to MCC's Warden in which he said that
35:38
what happened on July twenty third remained an open question
35:41
and it still does even Berman, the judge, says it
35:45
was an open question. So where are all of these
35:50
hard charging reporters that are all over the place allegedly
35:56
how about you dig into this part of the story.
36:00
To my knowledge, it has never been definitively explained what
36:04
the Bureau of Prisons concluded about that incident, Berman wrote,
36:08
absolutely right. In a response dated that same day, Warden,
36:12
Lemene and Die said that an internal investigation was completed,
36:16
but noted that current investigations by the FBI and the
36:20
Justice Department Office of Inspector General will include this incident
36:24
as well. Yeah, did it. Let me ask you a question.
36:26
With that great report by the New York Times, did
36:29
it include anything about Tartaglioni. It certainly didn't. And I
36:32
asked the author at the time about that too. Of course,
36:36
you know, never get anywhere with it. It's just almost
36:40
laughable at this point, because if I don't laugh about it,
36:44
it'll be completely frustrating the way they go about it.
36:48
There are certain things in this story that need to
36:51
be exposed, and this is certainly one of them. This
36:54
whole entire episode here of Tartaglioni in the jail cell
36:59
with Epstein is just so out of control. Accordingly, I
37:05
cannot divulge any information about the prior investigation at this time,
37:09
and Dy said, and remember he told that to the judge.
37:12
It wasn't like someone asked him, you know, at a
37:17
press conference, Hey, can you tell us about what happened?
37:19
With Tartaglioni. This is the judge asking, and he says, nah, sorry,
37:23
there's an investigation under way, the same excuse they use
37:26
all the time when they don't want you to know
37:28
what's going on. On Tuesday, Attorney General William Barr ordered
37:32
the removal of Vindie from his post at the MCC
37:36
after ripping the serious irregularities at this facility during a
37:40
speech the previous day in New Orleans. Oh yeah, you know,
37:43
because Bill Barr is so great at his job. How
37:45
did it work out for everybody with that moron running
37:49
the show? All right? So now that we have the
37:52
refresher course of what Tartaglioni's role is here and the
37:57
question asked why he was in the cell with Epstein,
38:00
let's jump into this next article from the Lowhood. And
38:04
this is a paper from Westchester County, New York, the
38:08
Lower Hudson Valley. And this is an article that was
38:12
authored by Jonathan Bandler headline lawyer's hopeful Nicholas Tartaglioni won't
38:18
face death penalty as trial set and homicide case. Twelve
38:23
times since last March, the US Department of Justice has
38:28
reversed course and notified accused killers, they would no longer
38:31
face the death penalty. And I'm not really too big
38:36
on the death penalty, to be honest with you. Unless
38:38
there's overwhelming evidence, of course, then for sure. But I
38:42
just think that there's way too many instances of their
38:46
being shoddy evidence when it comes to something as serious
38:49
as taking someone's life. But when you look at cases
38:52
like this and the evidence is overwhelming, I honestly think
38:56
that this is the perfect example of what a death
38:59
penalty should be. Multiple homicides, multiple people murdered. Dude's an
39:04
next copy knows better. So I would think long and
39:08
hard if I was the one passing the sentence here
39:10
or dropping the judgment on him, if we were talking
39:14
about the death penalty, definitely somebody that, in my opinion,
39:18
you would have to at least entertain the possibility. That
39:24
is a promising sign for opponents of capital punishment, but
39:27
a far cry from the end of the federal death
39:30
penalty they had expected when Joe Biden became president. The
39:34
piecemeal approach offers a glimmer of hope for Nicholas Tartaglioni,
39:38
the ex police officer charged in White Plans. Federal court
39:41
in the killing of four men in Orange County in
39:44
twenty and sixteen. So I guess when you're staring at
39:48
a death sentence, any kind of hope is good. I
39:53
can't imagine sitting there every day wondering what your fate's
39:56
gonna be. But also I would never kill anybody and
39:59
find myself sitting to jail cell anyway. So there's that.
40:04
Tartaglioni's trial has finally been scheduled for March twenty twenty three,
40:08
nearly seven years after the quadruple homicide, but it could
40:12
be moved up if the defense succeeds in getting the
40:15
Department of Justice to reverse course on the death penalty.
40:19
So he's being charged with the death penalty. Now the
40:21
question is is that death penalty going to stick or
40:25
is he just going to end up getting life in prison,
40:28
because I highly doubt he's going to get off considering
40:31
the evidence that they have, I highly highly doubt he's
40:35
going to get off. The lead defense lawyer, Bruce Barkett,
40:40
has declined to reveal any details of the defense case
40:43
for why his client should not face capital punishment, just
40:47
as he was mum four years ago when a similar
40:50
similar effort failed under the Trump administration. Tartaglioni was a
40:55
retired Briarcliff mat or cop who had also worked in Yonkers,
40:59
Mount Verning and Pauling. So he's from my neck of
41:02
the woods. And I've told the story before on the podcast,
41:06
but one of my uncles was actually friendly with uh
41:09
Tartaglioni's brother growing up, and they used to call him
41:13
Tat tat in the neighborhood. Now, I wish I had
41:16
more to give you, but that's all my uncle really had.
41:19
They weren't, like, you know, super close or anything, just
41:21
like neighborhood friends. But it's a small world, isn't it.
41:25
And when I first was looking at this case and
41:27
and and you know, saw this part of it, I
41:30
just shook my head considering where this guy was from.
41:33
I mean, it's crazy. I know a lot of cops
41:37
that work in Yonkers, and for the most part, they're
41:39
all really good people. So just doesn't shock me though
41:43
to see a cop involved in something like this. Unfortunately,
41:48
there's always good and there's always bad, no matter what
41:50
the profession is, and some people like Tartaglioni, they get
41:55
things a bit twisted up in their head, and they
41:58
think that they're above the law when they're supposed to
42:00
be enforcing the law. He was arrested in December twenty sixteen,
42:07
eight months after four men disappeared from a bar in
42:10
Chester in Orange County that was run by Tartaglioni's brother.
42:15
The day after his arrests, the bodies of Martin Luna,
42:18
Miguel Luna, Urbano Santiago, and Hector Gutiades were discovered by
42:23
the FBI and state police on property Tartaglioni had been
42:27
renting at the time of the disappearance. So you see
42:30
about the evidence here right, pretty grim when you're talking
42:33
about against Tartaglioni. You know, you get these bodies are
42:38
found on your property that you're renting after being at
42:41
a bar that your brother owns. It doesn't look good
42:45
for you. Doesn't look too good for you at all.
42:49
Tartaglioni is charged with conspiracy to sell cocaine and kidnapping
42:53
and murder and furtherance of the conspiracy. Now what's interesting
42:58
is if Tartaglioni gets convict of this, which I think
43:01
he will, he's going to have to hit the federal
43:03
line and A. He's an ex cop, so that's a
43:06
mark against him. B. If he you know, if he
43:11
did clip these people, which it looks like he did.
43:14
These are cartel operatives, so you know that the cartel
43:17
hasn't forgotten that Tartaglioni was trying to steal their blow,
43:22
you know, trying to get in on their action. So
43:25
they're going to have access to him in whatever federal
43:27
facility he ends up in. If it ends up federal,
43:30
or even if it's in New York, they definitely have
43:32
a way to reach out and touch you. So you
43:35
got to think that Tartaglioni, you'll get pceed up if
43:39
and when his prison sentence starts. According to the prosecutors,
43:44
Martin Luna had owed money for a drug deal. He
43:47
was lured to the Liquid Lounge on April eleventh, twenty sixteen,
43:51
and brought with him his nephew Miguel, his niece's fiance, Santiago,
43:56
and family friend Gutierrez, none of whom had anything to
44:00
do with the drug deal. Well, but that's questionable at best. Right,
44:04
you're going there for a drug deal. What do you
44:07
think he's bringing you there for? Obviously he was probably
44:10
bringing these dudes there for muscle, right, But still does
44:12
that mean they deserve to get killed over a drug
44:15
deal gone bad? Absolutely not. And anybody who is capable
44:20
of killing people over drugs is most certainly capable of
44:24
assaulting a guy like Jeffrey Epstein in a confined environment
44:28
like a jail cell. No. At the bar, prosecutors alleged
44:35
Tartaglioni strangled Martin Luna with a zip tie before taking
44:39
his body to the property. His co conspirators brought the
44:42
others there, where each of the three were shot in
44:44
the head. Prosecutors accused Tartaglioni of shooting one of the men.
44:49
Biden's campaign pledged to end capital punishment at the federal level,
44:53
has so far not led to an administration policy. Yeah,
44:56
there's been a whole lot of that. Huh. Unfortunately, when
44:59
we had the changeover from Trump to Biden, didn't I
45:02
tell you, folks, it's going to be the same old,
45:04
same old. Don't expect these radical changes, because that's not
45:08
how it works. Those who were in power, the very
45:12
few who were in control, they're still going to be
45:14
in control no matter who the president is. Last summer,
45:18
Attorney General Merrick Garland, another failure, issued a moratorium on
45:23
federal executions while a review of Trump administration death penalty
45:26
protocol changes was ongoing. But there has been no blanket
45:31
policy on emptying federal death row or seeking the death
45:35
penalty and pending in future cases. Like I said earlier,
45:39
I think that we have to be very very careful
45:41
when it comes to sentencing somebody to death. And if
45:45
the Biden administration is taking their time to review this,
45:48
I think that's a good idea. Take as much time
45:51
as you need to review something as serious as this.
45:55
It looks like Garland is trying to fix the death penalty.
45:59
It doesn't look like he's trying to end the death penalty,
46:02
said Robert Dunham, director of the Death Penalty Information Center
46:05
in Washington, DC. He pointed to conflicting signals that make
46:09
it difficult to predict where the DOJ is headed, and
46:13
you see that a lot with the Department of Justice
46:15
in general, a lot of conflicting signals. You don't know
46:19
which way they're going to go. One person comes in
46:21
and you have a drastic change, Then the next person
46:24
comes in, they change it. There's no consistent consistency and
46:28
certainly no equity in the law. On the one hand,
46:33
prosecutors have opted not to seek the death penalty in
46:36
some recent cases. One involved the killing of a law
46:39
enforcement officer in California, a case in which the Trump
46:42
DOJ would have likely sought the death penalty. On the
46:45
other hand, the DOJ is still defending death sentences on appeal. Well,
46:50
they have to. What are they going to do if
46:51
it's on appeal. They can't just drop all of those
46:53
appeals in the middle of the cases. They'll get absolutely
46:56
fried by the media and pundits and people looking to
47:01
score political points. Well, one hundred percent, you can't just
47:04
drop that stuff on appeal. You have to see it through.
47:07
And let's be honest, a lot of the people who
47:09
we're talking about here are pretty bad people for the
47:12
most part. Now, don't get me wrong. There's definitely some
47:14
innocent people who get caught up and end up on
47:17
death row. And that for me is enough to be
47:20
very very guarded and very strict about the death penalty
47:24
and who gets it. Cassandra sub Stubbs, director of the
47:30
Capital Punishment Project at the American Civil Liberties Union, said
47:33
the moratorium at the gradual and the gradual about face
47:37
on seeking the death penalty were a good start, but
47:40
the lack of more extensive policy decisions is frustrating. It's
47:44
encouraging that it's moving in the right direction, she said.
47:47
The discouraging piece is while it's a significant number, it's
47:50
only half of the pending cases. The DOJ's withdrawal of
47:54
the of the twelve notices of intent came in nine
47:58
cases spread out around the country, in states that have
48:01
the death penalty and those that don't. So again, whenever
48:05
you get a new regime that comes in, they go
48:10
over everything that the previous regime did with a fine
48:13
tooth comb, and more times than not they get rid
48:16
of a lot of policies and institute their own. That's
48:19
just what happens when people get elected. Well, there is
48:22
no clear common thread. One possible pattern does not bode
48:26
well for TARTAGLIONI. None of the other cases involved more
48:30
than two victims, and that's a big deal. I think
48:33
that's a huge deal. Honestly, when you have multiple victims,
48:35
we're talking serial killer here type shit, right, what is
48:38
it more than three murders or whatever spread out during
48:41
a certain period of time for a serial killer. But
48:44
the point stands, if you've got three or four bodies
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under your belt, that's definitely not a good look for
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a jury or people who are going to decide your fate.
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Tartaglionis is one of six death penalty cases of the
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twenty three still pending that have at least four victims.
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Barkett would not say whether the defense has offered new
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details related to Tartaglioni, or whether they are relying on
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similarities to any of the other withdrawn cases to convince
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the government. Well, maybe you should give them some evidence
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about Jeffrey Epstein. Maybe you should talk about that a
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little bit. Nicholas Tartaglioni. And I'm real interested to see
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what kind of sentence he gets here. If he gets
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a soft sentence, boy, that's gonna set some people off,
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I'll tell you that much. It is possible that they
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are citing the harsh conditions of pre trial detention Tartaglioni
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faced at the troubled Metropolitan Correctional Center in Lower Manhattan.
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Life saving efforts by Tartaglioni when he was in law
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enforcement are almost certainly part of the defense mitigation efforts,
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and his lawyers could be including details of when Tartaglioni
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shared a cell with financier, pedophile and accuse sex trafficker
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Jeffrey Ebstein. Oh boy, that would be interesting, wouldn't it.
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That would be real interesting, wouldn't it. I wonder what
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he has to share about that. Barkett has said that
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Tartaglioni intervened during Epstein's failed suicide attempt in July twenty nineteen.
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Tartaglioni was no longer his cell mate when Epstein succeeded
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in killing himself the following month. Now, again, why was
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Tartaglioni in that jail cell? Was he put there to
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send a message to Jeffrey Epstein? Look, bro, if you
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don't kill yourself, this is what you have to look
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forward to the whole entire time you're in jail, So
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you better fucking kill yourself. And then, knowing that he'd
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get moved out of the cell, he just denied that
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he ever did anything. That's certainly a scenario that has
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legs in my opinion. It certainly is a scenario that
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bears the weight of the facts, and short of any
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other evidence being provided or quality theories being provided. That's
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what I'm working with right now. This dude definitely was
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in there to rough Jeffrey Epstein up or ended up
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roughing Jeffrey Epstein up for whatever reason. But to think
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that this guy is some kind of hero who stepped
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in to save Epstein's life while he was trying to
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kill himself is just ridiculous. US District Judge Kenneth Carris
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was adamant during a conference last month that Tartaglioni's trial
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would begin next March at the latest. Barkett assured him
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that the effort to complete the deauthorization package would not
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distract the defense team from moving forward on other pre
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trial motions. To Carris, the defense and prosecutors reached agreement
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on the schedule leading up to the trial, but they
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differed on how long of a break they should have
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between the guilt phase and the penalty phase if Tartaglioni
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is convicted of any of the death eligible charges. Prosecutors
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wanted a week, the defense sought up to four weeks.
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So they'll probably split the baby and it'll probably end
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up being two weeks. That's what we saw during the
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lead up to the Maxwell trial, and it seems to
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be the way these things work. The judge usually splits
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the baby here and they'll get half of what they want.
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It appeared Kris might disappoint both sides. He said he
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was inclined to start a penalty phase a day or
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two after the initial verdict, worried that a longer break
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would be unfair to the jurors. Well, that's what he
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wants and what he's saying he wants. But like I said,
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I wouldn't be shocked to see this end up ten
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fourteen days, you know, between the two. So we'll have
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to see and we'll continue to follow it because, like
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I said earlier, I think this is a portion of
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the situation with Epstein in the mcc at that jail
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cell that needs more discussion, needs to be looked at
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in a more clinical fashion with a surgical type of
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eye because there is no excuse or reason that anyone
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has presented to me as to why Epstein should be
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sharing a cell with Nicholas dar TAGLIONI. All right, folks,
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that's gonna do it for tonight's update on the way
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