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The Late Debate | 10 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late Welcome to the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Kayler Bond
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  Speaker 2: with Frei Leitch and Joe Hildebrand. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 1: People are waking up to the fact that the world.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't about to end.
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  Speaker 2: A new poll shows a huge increase in people thinking
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  Speaker 2: climate change is overblown and a huge decrease in people
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  Speaker 2: thinking petrol cars should be banned.
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  Speaker 3: In the papers.
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales Premier Chris Mins announced yesterday that a
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  Speaker 2: trial of beaches with our shark nets would be scrapped. Well,
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  Speaker 2: today we found out that shark sightings are up, not.
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  Speaker 3: Just by a little bit. We'll give you those.
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  Speaker 2: Numbers and later apparently the star signs are all out
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  Speaker 2: of whack. There are a few thousand years out of
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  Speaker 2: days or something. And so when you've been reading your
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  Speaker 2: horoscope all these years, you've been.
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  Speaker 1: Reading the wrong one.
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  Speaker 3: But did anyone notice the difference? I certainly didn't.
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  Speaker 2: But first we must talk about the big story of
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  Speaker 2: the evening, which is of course the to Center price.
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  Speaker 2: To sin A Nampajuba price has been dropped from the
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  Speaker 2: Shadow Ministry. Now. This follows comments she made last week
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  Speaker 2: on the ABC about migration, particularly Indian migration, and then
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  Speaker 2: you saw over the weekend the Coalition basically sucking up
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  Speaker 2: to migrant communities and trying to apologize profusely for the
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  Speaker 2: comments that Senator Price had made. Now, look, my view
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  Speaker 2: is that nothing Senator Price seed was particularly wrong. It
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  Speaker 2: was perhaps badly worded, but we know the machinations that
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  Speaker 2: have gone on within the Liberal Party since then, and
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  Speaker 2: she has ultimately had to fall on her sword. She
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  Speaker 2: put out a statement today said this evening, I spoke
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  Speaker 2: with the leader of the Federal Liberal Party and Federal Opposition,
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  Speaker 2: Susan Lee, who has asked me to step down from
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  Speaker 2: the Shadow Ministry. I've accepted the Leader's decision and reiterated
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  Speaker 2: sorry my regret in not being clearer in my comments
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  Speaker 2: on the ABC last Wednesday. Nevertheless, I took the opportunity
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  Speaker 2: to express to the leader my disappointment that some colleagues
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  Speaker 2: disregarded the key point I was making about the damaging
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  Speaker 2: impacts of mass migration and the some colleagues instead chose
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  Speaker 2: to indulge a gender driven media commentary on this matter.
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  Speaker 3: He was the Opposition Leader, Susan Lee.
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  Speaker 4: This evening, Senator just sent a Namba Jimpurprice has failed
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  Speaker 4: a test of high standard that I have set for
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  Speaker 4: members of my shadow ministry. Confidence in the leader is
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  Speaker 4: a requirement for serving in the Shadow Ministry. A few
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  Speaker 4: a couple of hours ago, I spoke to the Senator
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  Speaker 4: and I advised her of my decision.
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  Speaker 2: Now, my view on this as a number of prongs,
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  Speaker 2: because I think two things can be true at once.
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  Speaker 2: One is that she essentially had no choice but to
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  Speaker 2: leave the ministry after she refused to to publicly affirm
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  Speaker 2: her support for the leader. Susanally, I mean, that's just
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  Speaker 2: generally accepted as one of the conditions of being a
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  Speaker 2: member of the Shadow Ministry, or any ministry for that matter.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, you.
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  Speaker 2: Saw during the Voice campaign, for instance, that Julian Lisa
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  Speaker 2: left the Shadow Ministry because he didn't agree with the
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  Speaker 2: party's position on the Voice, and that was the right
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  Speaker 2: and honorable thing to do. If you can't publicly affirm
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  Speaker 2: your support for your leader, then you just can't be
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  Speaker 2: part of her ministry. But I think this also opens
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  Speaker 2: up opens up a great opportunity for you seeing to
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  Speaker 2: Nampa Jimper Price now because she can be unleashed.
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  Speaker 1: She's on the back bench.
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  Speaker 2: She can say what she wants, whatever she feels about
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  Speaker 2: the matters of the day. She can't be rained in
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  Speaker 2: by the party for doing so. I think the Party
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  Speaker 2: was wrong to leap on this as hard and fast
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  Speaker 2: as they did. They fell for the three card trick
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  Speaker 2: from the left, which is to say, ah, racist, racist, racist,
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  Speaker 2: and then you go, oh my god, I can't be
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  Speaker 2: called racist. I've got to do something about it. So
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  Speaker 2: they fell into what they wanted. They created this great
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  Speaker 2: circus which is benefit benefited the Labor Party and done
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  Speaker 2: damage to the Liberal Party. But I think in the
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  Speaker 2: long run, Joe, this will actually be a great moment
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  Speaker 2: for just into Nampa.
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  Speaker 5: Jimper Price, Yeah, I completely agree. I think certainly, as
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  Speaker 5: you said, had absolutely no choice, and it really had
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  Speaker 5: nothing to do with the comments you made about the
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  Speaker 5: Indian Australians. It had to do with the fact that
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  Speaker 5: she couldn't say I I mean that did ultimately lead
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  Speaker 5: I mean the Labor Even when you are actively rolling
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  Speaker 5: the leader, you still say you support the leader. So
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  Speaker 5: and in that sense, I suspect just seemed to probably
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  Speaker 5: wanted to be wanted to be caught, if you like,
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  Speaker 5: she wanted to she wanted to sort of to push
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  Speaker 5: certainly to push her out. She will obviously go to
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  Speaker 5: the back bench. She was wasted in the shadow cabinet anyway.
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  Speaker 5: She was Defense Industry the stupidest possible portfolio. Or you
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  Speaker 5: could give someone like this iner price obviously if there
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  Speaker 5: was any thought put into it whatsoever, and I don't
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  Speaker 5: know if there was, but it was obviously to shut
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  Speaker 5: her up and to give her portfolio where she couldn't
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  Speaker 5: really say anything particularly controversial. I mean, what are you
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  Speaker 5: going to say? I mean, she should be talking about,
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  Speaker 5: you know, whether we've got you know enough submarine software
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  Speaker 5: instead of you know, whether they're at Indian moments. So
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  Speaker 5: either she was put there to shut her up or
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  Speaker 5: they just wanted to give her something really really junior
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  Speaker 5: and keep her away so effectively the same diff So
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  Speaker 5: she's now free. There's no point having someone like just
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  Speaker 5: in a price if you are just going to sort
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  Speaker 5: of box her in as well. And I think this
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  Speaker 5: is what the Libs need to do with her now
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  Speaker 5: that she's actually sitting in their party room, because she
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  Speaker 5: was sitting with the Nats. Is what the Nats did
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  Speaker 5: with Barnaby Joyce back in the day. Where you just say, oh, yeah, Barnaby,
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  Speaker 5: you know, yeah, look, he's obviously you know, he's a
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  Speaker 5: voice for his people and a very proud champion for
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  Speaker 5: his community, and we don't always see idle eye on
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  Speaker 5: what he says, but you know, you know, good luck
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  Speaker 5: trying to silence him, because he'll keep speaking up. And
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  Speaker 5: so you have your cake and eat it too. So
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  Speaker 5: you can have your official, more considered nuanced whatever mild
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  Speaker 5: bland beij non offensive party position or leader's position, but
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  Speaker 5: then you can also have that kind of firebrand out
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  Speaker 5: there who is speaking to your conservative base and making
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  Speaker 5: them feel like they've got a voice inside the party room.
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  Speaker 5: And that's very much what country people felt with Barnaby
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  Speaker 5: Joyce that you know that even when he was being
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  Speaker 5: sidelined by his colleagues, always being told you know, Barnaby's
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  Speaker 5: just sort of out there, but he was still in there,
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  Speaker 5: and people thought, yeah, he speaks for me. He speaks
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  Speaker 5: the way I speak, or speaks the things I think,
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  Speaker 5: and I know he's in there. And so the NATS
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  Speaker 5: were able to still keep getting votes for Barnaby that
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  Speaker 5: otherwise might be votes for One Nations or Shouldar and
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  Speaker 5: Fishes or whatever. So that's the way you deal with
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  Speaker 5: an asset like just Center Price, not by saying, hey,
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  Speaker 5: you've got this massive following because you're outspoken, so we're
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  Speaker 5: going to stick you on all these issues. So we're
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  Speaker 5: going to stick you in a portfolio which has nothing
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  Speaker 5: to do with any of those issues, and tell you
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  Speaker 5: that you're not allowed to speak your mind.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think in some ways this isn't really
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  Speaker 6: a surprise. It's ended like this because Jacinta came over
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  Speaker 6: from the Nationals to initially run as Angus Taylor's deputy
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  Speaker 6: in a leadership contest against Susan so the piece was
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  Speaker 6: always tenuous. I think what I would say as well
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  Speaker 6: is and it's clear just Sinta said this in her statement.
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  Speaker 6: The way this had then been seized upon by factional
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  Speaker 6: adversaries in the Federal Party I also think was deeply
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  Speaker 6: unhelpful seeing people like Alex Hawk come out and make
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  Speaker 6: a big hohoh. He is the factional numbers man for
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  Speaker 6: Susan Lee. He was the factional numbers man for Scott
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  Speaker 6: Morrison as well. He's deeply unpopular in the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 6: Jacinta is incredibly popular, so I think there's also another
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  Speaker 6: element here of this is not going to play well
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  Speaker 6: with the Bass at all, and Susan already has a
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  Speaker 6: big task ahead of her in trying to consolidate the party.
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  Speaker 6: But also your members You cannot forget who are the
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  Speaker 6: people that are going to donate to your campaign. Who
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  Speaker 6: are the people that are going to stand for hours
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  Speaker 6: in the freezing cold or the blistering heat handing out
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  Speaker 6: how to vote. It's going to be your base, your
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  Speaker 6: party membership, and the Liberal Party is in a really
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  Speaker 6: difficult position here, and with the migration issue more broadly.
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  Speaker 6: I'd caused Samarus on my show on the weekend, and
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  Speaker 6: this is what he laid out. There's a very narrow
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  Speaker 6: and difficult path for the Liberal Party because if they
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  Speaker 6: don't address immigration, they're going to lose votes to the
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  Speaker 6: right to one nation. But if they do address immigration
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  Speaker 6: and they do it in the wrong way, which is
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  Speaker 6: very easy to do, they will become unelectable in whole
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  Speaker 6: swathes of metropolitan seats. So how do you actually move forward?
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  Speaker 7: And the risk is you just combust.
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  Speaker 5: That's right, That's Le's best defense at the mind, because
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  Speaker 5: the only reason why Angus Taylor and jac Deerprice are
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  Speaker 5: not currently mounting a leadership charge, and you can set
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  Speaker 5: your watch to how long that will be. Is because
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  Speaker 5: the party is in such a parlor state that you
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  Speaker 5: would almost think, well, we won't go now, We'll let
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  Speaker 5: Susan Lee lose the next election and then keep out
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  Speaker 5: prowd to dry, or go just before the next election
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  Speaker 5: and try to get a bit of momentum to save
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  Speaker 5: the furniture.
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  Speaker 2: I can I just ask you quickly, because directively involved
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  Speaker 2: with the party, whether or not this has done genuine
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  Speaker 2: damage to the Liberal Party amongst migrant populations, do you think.
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  Speaker 6: I just I don't think you can speak about it
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  Speaker 6: in terms. I think this is the mistake they make.
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  Speaker 6: A couple migrant groups who are peak bodies for business
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  Speaker 6: associations come out and make a big hooha. They don't
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  Speaker 6: represent the majority of migrants. Migrants are as diverse as
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  Speaker 6: any other group in the population.
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  Speaker 7: There are a range of views. A lot of migrants themselves.
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  Speaker 6: Oppose mass immigration when it comes at the cost of
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  Speaker 6: a strong economy of good infrastructure. So I think the
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  Speaker 6: key for the Liberal Party is focusing on the quality
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  Speaker 6: of migrants and saying it's about the flow and it's
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  Speaker 6: about the type and we want to make sure people
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  Speaker 6: have our values and come here for the right reasons.
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  Speaker 6: But let's focus on boosting the quality. But that is
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  Speaker 6: a delicate conversation to have. But I don't think you
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  Speaker 6: can say all migrants are going to hate the Liberal
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  Speaker 6: Party now, because that's just not true.
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  Speaker 5: But there was a big swing against One of the
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  Speaker 5: reasons they did so badly was that migrant populations communities, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: turning in.
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  Speaker 6: But if the Liberal Party doesn't talk about immigration because
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  Speaker 6: they're scared of losing migrant votes, they're going to lose
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  Speaker 6: a whole lot more votes in their base and that will.
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  Speaker 7: Be the end.
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  Speaker 6: So this is a really hard situation, but welcome to politics.
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  Speaker 6: It's always hard, right. But let's move on now to
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  Speaker 6: more migrant talk. But over in the UK, where things
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  Speaker 6: are really dire, it now looks like the UK government
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  Speaker 6: could be paying compensation to migrants who were housed in
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  Speaker 6: a migrant holding centers over in Dover, the Manston Migrant
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  Speaker 6: Holding Center, for two main reasons. One there were held
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  Speaker 6: for over twenty four hours and two they claim they
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  Speaker 6: were held in poor conditions. So these are illegal migrants
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  Speaker 6: who crossed the Channel illegally were put in a temporary
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  Speaker 6: holding area, and they are now the ones suing the
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  Speaker 6: UK government for the inhumane conditions.
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  Speaker 7: They've been put in.
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  Speaker 6: Wasn't it your choice to come across the channel to
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  Speaker 6: enter the UK. I don't think you have much of
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  Speaker 6: a right to now complain, let alone sue the government will.
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  Speaker 6: Two hundred migrants have joined this action, but it could
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  Speaker 6: potentially cost the government millions because eighteen thousand have been
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  Speaker 6: through this detention center, so if they have a case,
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  Speaker 6: you could.
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  Speaker 7: Have thousands more piling on now.
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  Speaker 6: Last year they already had to pay out round eleven
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  Speaker 6: million pounds in compensation to migrants for inhumane conditions.
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  Speaker 7: And it's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 6: And on top of that, they're spending one hundred million
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  Speaker 6: pounds every month keeping these migrant hotels going.
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  Speaker 7: It is no wonder.
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  Speaker 6: Nigel Farage looks like he's on track to become the
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  Speaker 6: next Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 1: Of the UK primey River.
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  Speaker 2: It would be the equivalent of looking up what's known
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  Speaker 2: to be the worst hotel in whatever city you're going to,
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  Speaker 2: booking a room in that hotel, and then being outraged
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  Speaker 2: about how bad the hotel is until you must give
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  Speaker 2: me my money back. You knew what you were getting
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  Speaker 2: yourself in for, you made the decision to go there.
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  Speaker 1: What did you think was going to happen?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they're making all sort of fantastic allegations, like
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  Speaker 2: you know, they've been sexually assaulted and physically abused and
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  Speaker 2: had things stolen by guards and whatever, which the government
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  Speaker 2: says didn't happen, which is why this now has to
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  Speaker 2: go through the courts because the amager said that, well,
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  Speaker 2: we're not giving you the compensation for that because it's
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  Speaker 2: just not true. So they now have to go off
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  Speaker 2: these migrants or legal migrants to go to court to
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  Speaker 2: try and get this compensation because they allege this is
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  Speaker 2: what happened. Why are they owed anything at all? If
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  Speaker 2: you illegally get on a boat and sail across from
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  Speaker 2: France after giving large sums of money to a people smuggler,
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  Speaker 2: and then you don't like the fact that they don't
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  Speaker 2: offer you a cup of English breakfast tea and a
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  Speaker 2: piece of toast with marmalade on it when you arrive,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Not their problem.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing that they cite to get away with
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  Speaker 2: all of this is the European Convention on human rights.
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  Speaker 1: Pull out of it. And this is what Nigel Farage
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  Speaker 1: has talked about. They need to.
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  Speaker 2: Get out of it. What business is it of the
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  Speaker 2: European mainland to be telling the UK that you must
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  Speaker 2: be treating very nicely these people who would legally come
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  Speaker 2: to your country.
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  Speaker 5: Well, firstly, if you get over and ask for a
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  Speaker 5: cup of tea and someone gives you Earl Gray, that
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  Speaker 5: is a hate crime and it could be Actually.
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  Speaker 1: I disagree, E Gray is a fantastic Oh.
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  Speaker 5: My god, now you're getting to the real this is.
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  Speaker 5: We're not ready for this.
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  Speaker 1: Now I love.
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  Speaker 5: Sky to dark? Is it ready for statements like that?
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  Speaker 5: If I love Ala with a.
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  Speaker 1: Bit of honey?
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  Speaker 5: Outrageous. But it's not the assalum Sekerts who are doing this.
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  Speaker 5: It's not this arm seakers who are driving out. It
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  Speaker 5: would be the activists and the lawyers who supposedly defending
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  Speaker 5: their rights are actually acting against their interests. Who would
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  Speaker 5: be setting up these cases taking it to the higher
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  Speaker 5: I mean who, No one's getting out of a boat
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  Speaker 5: and English Channel and then pulling a silk from the
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  Speaker 5: old bailey and saying I want a class out. This
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  Speaker 5: is the class action that's been organized by activists on
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  Speaker 5: their behalf. They will be inviting people to join it.
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  Speaker 5: They were saying, hey, you're a bit miffed that you
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  Speaker 5: got locked out by you, come over here, we got
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  Speaker 5: a class. Are what actually happened? That that obviously got
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  Speaker 5: all the dressing about the terrible things that happened. But
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  Speaker 5: this will be a test case for whether or not
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  Speaker 5: you can detain people for more than twenty four hours.
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  Speaker 5: And they're going to make it so financially unpalatable for
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  Speaker 5: the government to do. So we'll try to get a
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  Speaker 5: common law ruling that it's illegal in the English court,
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  Speaker 5: because that's all common law. So if they get a
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  Speaker 5: ruling in an English court, then that becomes the law.
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  Speaker 5: And this is where and again, as I suppose we've
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  Speaker 5: already said on the pane, but if there is one
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  Speaker 5: way that you want to harden public sentiment against asylum
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  Speaker 5: seekers and make it look like they are getting all
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  Speaker 5: these sorts of perks and all these sort of privileges
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  Speaker 5: and payouts that ordinary working you know workers in the UK,
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  Speaker 5: and you know Northerners who are slugging it out in
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  Speaker 5: the coal mines, and then these guys come in, they
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: put rid of that's right, but that's right. No, But
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  Speaker 5: these are the sort of people who voted for break brexit, right,
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  Speaker 5: So these are labor voting formal labor voting conservatives who
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  Speaker 5: are you know, who are now turning against the EU
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  Speaker 5: and don't like migration. And that is exactly how you
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  Speaker 5: piss all those people off. And so these four asylum
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  Speaker 5: seekers I think are being led by the nose, by
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  Speaker 5: the activists who are pretending to be their friends and
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  Speaker 5: pretending to be on their side, but in fact all
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  Speaker 5: they're doing is turning the country.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's.
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  Speaker 2: Why I give them a lot of credit, Joe. They
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  Speaker 2: know exactly what they're when they when they when they
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  Speaker 2: get to France and pay a people smuggle lots of
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  Speaker 2: money to put them on a boat across the channel.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're just trying to get in there.
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  Speaker 2: They're not saying I remember they get there and then
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  Speaker 2: when they get there and some whitey comes over and says, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know you could get one hundred grand out of there?
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  Speaker 2: Say yes, Well, I know, of course you're going to
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  Speaker 2: say yes, But it doesn't do your cause any good yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Does it.
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  Speaker 5: That's the people, as the activists who think that you
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  Speaker 5: know they're doing so favored just so they can look
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  Speaker 5: all too clever. And all they're going to do is
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  Speaker 5: get Nigel Frige elected.
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  Speaker 2: Well, well it can't come soon enough. And here's another
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  Speaker 2: example of why, because I'm pretty sure he'd give this
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  Speaker 2: bloke the boot. A judge in the UK, while we're
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  Speaker 2: sticking with the UK, Sir Robert J. Was hearing a
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  Speaker 2: case just the other day about Harun As what now
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  Speaker 2: he was, by his own admission, involved in nine to eleven.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: He was involved in the London bombings in two thousand
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: and five, which killed fifty two people and in seven
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: hundred and seventy other people. He had been in the
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: US under arrest in jail and then he was extradited
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: to the United Kingdom.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: When he got to.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: The UK a few years ago, they detained him under
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: mental health grounds. But he is about to be released
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: and so he's had the High Court hearing prior to
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: his release, and the judge, Sir Robert J. Keep in mind,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: this is a guy who was a mastermind involved in,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: as I said before, nine to eleven and the London
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: bombings killed fifty two people in two thousand and five.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Has been told by this judge quote, it could not
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: have been too pleasant in American custody at the time.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: I have to wish you all the best and say
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: to you that the way forward is to keep on
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: your medication, listen to the advice you're going to get,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: and keep out of the sort of things you were doing.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: That's a good chap.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: He goes on to say, because you saw where it
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: ended up, and you.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Do not want to go back to that.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: I am sure.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, he may as well have said, Oh tell you,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: how old tap bas to see you in my courtroom.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Oh who comes about all this, you know, blowing people
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: up business?
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: Oh that's all you know.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: It's been awful. But I'm to be a good fellow now,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: alert you. I mean, how is this real? How is
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: this real?
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: How could a judge sit there in his courtroom faced
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: by a bloke who helped blow up fifty two people
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: in his capital city and say, I wish you all
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: the best, stay on your meds.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you'll be right.
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: Well, I hate to break it to you, Caleb, but
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: it gets even worse than that. In the court decision,
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: the police and a psychiatrist that both independently evaluated him
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: said he was still a risk to the community and
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: still possesses extremest Islamic ideology. Now, this is a guy
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: that got arrested in the United States. He was involved
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: in nine to eleven the London bombings. He also but
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: the reason he got in prison for twenty years was
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: because he tried to set.
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: Up a terrorist training camp in Oregon. In the US.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: He must have been was off his medstone. Then it's
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: a health issue, order issue.
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: This is insane.
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: So someone who the court has been warned he's still
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: a risk to the community, he hasn't denounced these beliefs,
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: he still holds them. Yet now he is being released
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: back into the community. This guy should be getting jailed
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: for life. I don't understand how he's walking free full stop.
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: This just boggles the mind.
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: And then to have a judge going but I wish
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: you well and just just stay off that terrorist stuff,
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: you know, that'd be good.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: In Australia, I believe as a result of recent legislation,
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: he could still be jailed indefinitely as long as he
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: was considered still to pose a terrorist. So just weird
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: that in the UK you can be locked up and
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: put in jail for stuff you post on social media,
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: but get released into the community if you're still deemed
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: by police and a psychologist to be an extremist terror risk.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: But at least in Australia, we don't have that. But
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: this is the other weird thing the judge said, and
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: Caleb just mentions it. Towards the end, he goes, because
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: you saw where it ended up and you do not
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: want to go back to that. I am sure. Now
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: is the judge talking about the three thousand people who
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: died in September eleventh and July seven, or is he
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: talking about the guy doesn't want to go back to jars,
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: because it sounds a lot like he's just saying, Oh,
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: but you know, you wouldn't want to go back to
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: that jails, So there's no there's no like but you
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: realize that, you know, you killed thousands of people, it's like, oh,
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: but you know, so all the judges really saying is
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: you know, just make sure you don't get caught.
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, jail's unpleasant, but you know what's also unpleasant getting
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: blown up, and that's what this guy did to other people.
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: So let's have compassion for the victims of terrorism, not
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: the terrorists.
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: Themselves.
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: But something in Britain that does give us a little
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: hope is that it seems as though people are waking
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: up to the fact that a lot of the hysteria
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: around climate change, the endless doomsday predictions that the world
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: is going to end, that we're going to face mass starvation,
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: the millions of people are going to die, well they
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: haven't really come true. And people are starting to realize
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: that there's been a fifty percent rise in British people
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: who doubt global warming risks. One in four voters now
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: believe that concerns over climate change are not as real
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: as scientists had said. Less than a third of public
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: of the public are in favor of banning petrol cars,
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: which is down from fifty one percent back in twenty
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: twenty one, and only sixteen percent of voters said they
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: would be in favor of paying more for gas as
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: a way to incentivize people to move to electricity.
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: So it does seem that we've.
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: Reached peak woke, peak climate anxiety. People are starting to
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: realize that a why are we impoverishing ourselves When India, China,
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: Russia they don't care. They're still building coal, they're still
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: getting rich. Off our coal actually here in Australia, yet
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: we're impoverishing ourselves. Two, the only people getting rich from
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: this are the foreign wind farm companies and renewable energy execs,
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: not the average people. And three, none of the nihilistic
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: predictions have panned out.
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: We're still alive, guys.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: That's the thing.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, at some point reality bites right, and I
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: think people are as sick of being told.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Not to believe they're lying eyes.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: You know, they went through the emergence of global warming
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: as a concept in the seventies. Then in the eighties
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: long came the concept of global cooling, and then we
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: sort of.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Forgot about that.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Global warming came back onto the scene, and then Al
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Gore came along in the early two thousands and put
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: out his films and told us it was all going
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: to end, and know that you got to ten years
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: to save the planet and all this sort of business.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Flannery came along and I think it was two thousand
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: and seven and said that you know that the dams
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: will never fill and it will never rain again. Well,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know where anyone else has been
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: in the last couple of years, but it has rained
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: a you know what ton across this country or certain
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: parts of it.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I do know that some parts of the country, particularly
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: the western districts and parts of South Australia, have been
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: in drought. But like other parts of this country have
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: had lots and.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Lots of rain, wore again. But dams billing over, et cetera.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: We don't have to worry about it right now.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: That's exactly we don't have to worry about that problem.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Mister Flannery got that one wrong.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Then you had Greta Tunberg and her crew came along and.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: How dare you? How dare you?
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: And with every year they would again say we've got
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: ten years to save the world, and ten years to
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: save the world, and ten years to save the world.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: And I think it was Greta said something like five
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: years to save the world. Then that five years came
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: up last year and the world is still here. And
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: then we had on Ton that was.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: Just how long it took her to get a he
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: man care go I.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Then we had Antonio Guterres at the UN saying global
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: and we are still here.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, people are going to just see its garbling.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: But this I was actually talking about this very thing
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: this very day to the lovely Claire Lehman, who I'm
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: sure you know the founding edit of Collette on my
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: podcast The Real Story with Joehildebrand and get it now
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: wherever you get podcasts, and I'll raise that exact same thing.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: I do believe in climate change. I don't think it's
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: all a crop. But when you have people, especially you know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: self important elite to are often talking down to other
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: people and trying to scare them. When you have them
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: making these catastrophic statements and they don't come to it,
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: people say, well, you lied to me about that. We
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: are lying to me about everything else as well. And
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: we made the exact same mistake with COVID as well,
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: where you had on one side people saying, you know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: if you dare, you know, take your mask off for
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: one second, everyone's going to die, and you know COVID
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: guilds is going to kill all. Other people were saying
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: that is just not my experience, that is not what
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: I'm seeing. And the same thing with the vaccination. You know,
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: if you take it back to actually be one hundredercent
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: safe and there's no way over the transmissions, and then
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: people thought, oh, but I did still get COVID or
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: I did still you know, a transmitt or whatever. So
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: vaccines as a whole must be hopeless. And so you
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: end up just throwing the baby out with the bathball
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: and saying, look at all bullshit. I don't care and
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: I don't believe in any of it, but that's what
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: these people who are most energized about it are created.
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: And then there's also a question there around well, even
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: if you think climate change is real and that it's
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: man made as well and work contributing to it, at
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: what cost are you going to solve it? Is it
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: worth the industrializing, Is it worth impoverishing the working class?
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: Is it worth soaring energy bills? Is it worth letting
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: our adversaries get rich off our coal while our own
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: Aussies can't heat their homes. I don't think it is, like,
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: I really don't, and I think people are waking up
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: to that.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: And I mean, this is the point that Bjorn Lomborg,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: who we were talking about the other night, has been
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: making for a long time and tried to bring to
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Australia setting up an outpost of his Consensus center hear
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: about a decade ago, and he got drummed out of
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: the joint because the climate scientists and activists just couldn't
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: deal with the fact that someone was saying, yes, I
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: believe in climate change.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Yes I believe.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: We should decarbonize, but we should do it in a
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: way that does not adversely affect the economy and the
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: people who are already living on this planet. If you
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: can't compromise on this stuff, it should be no surprise
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: that people start to turn their back on you. Let's
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: have a complete change of pace and go to one
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: of my favorite, one of my favorite little topics on
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: this program, of course, Council Stories.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: And today we find ourselves on the.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: South coast of New South Wales in Eurobadulla Council, where
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: they have decided that the most important issue facing them
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: is to restrict the number of pets you can keep
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: on your property.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Oh look at that little kiddy there.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Now, I've got two cats at home and under these
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: rules that would be okay.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Apparently, but I don't know.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: They're going to send people around to knock on your door.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: This is a proposal they're putting out to community consultation
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: and Urubidalla Council sort of goes from Bateman's Bay and
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: whether you're familiar with the south coast of New South Wales.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: So it starts up in near Basement Bay and goes
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: down through Maruya and further down from there.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: But part of their policy is that you will.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: If you have a property in an urban area in
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: part of the council, only be able to keep two
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: adult dogs, four cats, one rabbit and bizarrely, two ferrets.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many people are keeping ferrets in
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the Urubadalla Council.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what, if you've got three ferrets,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: you might be in a bit of trouble.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: And then they'll have other rules if you've got a
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: rural property about your horses, and you'll be able to
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: have four dogs.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: If you have to have a rural property.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: So aren't you lucky?
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Lots of people and properties would have way more than
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: than four dogs. What business is it of the council
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: to come along so you can only have four two ferrets?
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: You only have two ferrets.
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: But this also makes no sense because cats do so
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: much more environmental damage than dogs or rabbits or even ferrets.
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: Because a lot of people and they shouldn't, but they
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: let their cats roam free, they kill native wildlife, they
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: breed like crazy.
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: It's not good.
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: So the fact that you can have more cats than dogs,
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: that's discrimination and someone.
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: Needs to take that up with the Human Rights Commission.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: I'm going to go into bat for them on their
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: horse rule because one of the other rules is you
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: can only have two horses on urban land. Now there's
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: not many, not many stratas that would let you have
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: that in your apartment in Sydney. I can tell you
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: that I'm wondering if I can tie one up, got
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: my little newtown semi and a couple of horses out
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: of the back. I must be kept quote no closer
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: than nine meters from a dwelling, school, shop, office, factory,
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: workshop or church. So you can't take your horse to church.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: I actually think that's quite reasonable, But.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Isn't that Itssarily it's a more environmentally friendly web into.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: Church nine meters away, and they should be encouraging the use.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: And the good news though, is that if you are
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: into birds, it will be at the discretion of the inspectors.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: So I don't know.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I suppose you can come along and see you're only needed.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: To have alphabird at the discretion of.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: The four cats, but there's only one rabbit. I mean,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: what if your rabbit gets lonely and the council no.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: More rabbits for you do know where the phrase breed
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: like rabbits comes from? Yeah, I know you can't have
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: two of them, but have.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Them to sixt or something. I get the cats to
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: sex every other.
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: I don't know why rabbits are so much more dangerous
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: for the Europidallahi Council than dogs or cats.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, if your rabbit gets out, it's allowed to
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: be shot.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: That's my room.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: But you know if you got to Meandoors exactly right.
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: Well, it is just bizarre council overreach.
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: But let's go back to the US, where we've been
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: covering the story tragically of the Ukrainian refugee that was
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: stabbed to death on a charlottesviilt train. Well, the commentary
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: from the left wing media around this has been truly bizarre.
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: Check this out. This is from the CNN.
• 30:37
  Speaker 8: It's not about cashless bill or no cashless bill. It's
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: about the fact that we don't know how to deal
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: with people who were hurting in the way this man
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: was hurting, hurt people, hurt people. What happened was horrible,
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: but it becomes an opportunity for people to jump on vandwagons.
• 30:49
  Speaker 8: And then for someone like Charlie Kirk, you should be
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: ashamed of himself. No one mentioned the word race, white, black,
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: or anything except him.
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: Hurts people, hurts people. This this guy is a murderer.
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: He has mental health issues for sure, but he's been
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: arrested fourteen times.
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: He's a career criminal.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: His own mother said he shouldn't be on the streets
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: because he's a danger to society. He's not just a
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: hurt person that's hurting people. He's a murderer murdering people.
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: But thankfully Donald Trump understands that there are actually psychoevil
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: people in the world.
• 31:27
  Speaker 9: By a madman, a lunatic just got up and started
• 31:30
  Speaker 9: it straight on the tape. Not really watchable because it's
• 31:34
  Speaker 9: so horrible, but just viciously stamps she's just sitting there.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: So they are evil people. We have to be able
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: to handle that.
• 31:43
  Speaker 9: If we don't handle that, we don't have a country.
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: But commune Dani over in New York's or our mum.
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: Danny the Democrat nominee for mayor of New York. He
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: was asked, why do we have.
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: Prisons at all? Oh, what do you think, Zoran? Enlighten us?
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: What perss do they serve? Right?
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: I think we have to ask ourselves that, which is that?
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: You know? I think a lot of people who defend
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: the corcial state, they defend the idea of it and
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: the way it makes them feel.
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: I do defend prisons because they make me feel safe
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: knowing there aren't murderers walking free, knowing there aren't people
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: like this on cashless bail, who made a promise to
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: rock up a court and be a good boy, who
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: could senselessly murder you on public transport.
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: I don't understand.
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: It's like they're not even talking about the fact that
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: an innocent girl just got murdered. They're living in some
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: complete delusion.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: It is extraordinary.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: And the reason they're living in this delusion is because
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: the perpetrators are black man. It's as simple as that.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: They don't want to deal with it. That's why it
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: took weeks for this to get any coverage. It's why
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: they're dealing with it in the way they are now,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: because they just can't admit that.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: A black man murdered a white woman.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: And what you're seeing here now is extended footage that
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: has been released today and we've chosen to sense a
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: part of it because it is so distressing, and it
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: goes on for minutes and minutes after what we're going
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: to show you here tonight, and.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: It is truly awful.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Now what you see, I'll come back to that in
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: a sec There was another headline from seeing in so
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: how the lives of a Ukrainian refuge and a Charlotte
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: man with a criminal history converged in a fatal stabbing,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Like what what encounter? The kind of headline is that
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: the woman was stabbed murdered on a train.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Now go back to that footage.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: If you watch the extended footage, and unfortunately I have,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: I don't recommend you do it.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: It is awful.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: But she gets stabbed and she looks up sort of
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: in shock and horror at this guy who has stabbed her,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: because she doesn't really know what has happened quite yet.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: He's used a pocket knife to do it, and she
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: then starts to bleed out. He's dripping blood off of
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: his knife as he walks down the train, and within
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: thirty seconds she is slumped over on the floor. That's
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: how quickly she is bleeding out. And all this time
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: there are people, if we can get the footage back,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: that you can see sitting around on the train, like
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: within seats of her, and not one of them does
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: anything to help her. As you can see people get
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: up and just walk off. It took a minute or
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: two for someone from me at the end of the
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: train to come down and offer any assistance to this
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: poor woman. And I just can't understand how your first
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: response if you see something like that is not to
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: jump up and do something.
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: I'm going to come in on the defense of the
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: other passengers. I was actually I was on a train,
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: so this happened.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: On a light rail.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: I was on a light rail when we had our
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: production meeting earlier today, and I actually looked up as
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: we were talking about this. Not a single person was
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: looking up or looking at anybody else. Everyone knows as
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: soon as you get in on any public transport, you
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: put your head down, you look at your phone, you
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: don't make eye contact with other people. If you do,
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: it's often seen as being a bit sort of weird
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: or creepy. Anyway, And so I think we saw a
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: lot of people there, not knowing what had actually happened,
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: possibly being aware that there was someone behaving radically and
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: they just wanted to get out of his way. But
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: otherwise I think that these would have been just people,
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: and it seems to have happened so quickly and silently.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: These would have been people who just did not know
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: what was going on and just wanted to.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: But I'm sorry, when someone is slumped over on the floor,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: you go all the I might help them out, Like
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: I've been in this situation before on a bus in Adelaie.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I think I was going to the cricket.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: And I'll bring up the race because this has become
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: a racial story and I'm pointing it out for a reason.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: There were two Aboriginal people, male and female on the
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: bus and they'd been having an argument and the bloke
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: started whacking the woman and I was like sitting a
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: seat behind and they're sitting in the walkway and no
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: one was doing anything. And I stood up and said
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: to the fellow, what do you think you're doing? And
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: he started remonstrating with me. Thankfully someone else came and
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: backed me up.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: But if I.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Had I'm not saying I'm a hero but if I
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: had stood up in that situation, if no one else
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: was prepared to do it, this woman.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Was going to be beaten black and blue on the bus.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: It's just not right.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: No, it's absolutely not right. But again I think that firstly,
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: that's something that's happening very publicly, and you can't not
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: know that it's happening it or not. On the way
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: here on the bus, I actually there was an elderly
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: passenger who had sort of been caught off his feet
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: as the busk came to a sudden stop and started
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: remonstrating with the driver and yelling at the driver. And
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: I actually thought to just hung back for a little
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: while to make sure, and then I realized it's quite
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: an old guy and he wasn't going to start and
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: think physical. But you know, these sorts of things flare
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: up all the time, and I don't think you can
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: blame people for either not noticing or not getting involved,
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: where in a lot of those situations, you just don't
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: know what is going on, and you just whatever you do,
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: your human instinct is to just get away from it
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: as quick as you can. It's not heroic, but it's
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: I think it's understandable.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure there will be more to come unfortunately
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: on this truly tragic story. After the break, we'll get
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: into the newspapers of course, just enter Price, just into then.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Amergy of Price appears on a number of the front
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: pages tomorrow.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: That plenty more coming up.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Let's get stuck in tomorrow's front pages. Will start with
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: the Australian, where of course it has the big story
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: of the day cut price threat to Lee, voice of
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: the back bench, and I think that probably is the
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: cut and thrust of it. She's on the back bench
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: now and she can say whatever the hell she likes,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Miss Lee, you may have just found a thorn in
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: your side. Another story on the front of the EUS tomorrow.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: No immunity BB warns Hamas. Israel has warned Hamas it's
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: leaders will be targeted anywhere after an unprecedented strike against
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: the terror group in Qatar that has been strongly criticized
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: by Donald Trump, Australia, Europe and the Arab world. The
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: high risk Israeli attacking Doha, the capital city of a
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: key US Middle East ally, has left peace negotiations in
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Gaza in disarray at a time when political leaders of
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: the terror group had gathered in the city to consider
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: a US led cease fire deal. You'd have to think
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: after this, Joe, that you know it's over, that's there's
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: no cease fire, it's not happening.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: I don't think I decided once a ceasefire to be honest,
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: and well, that's not even a matter of they've openly
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: said so. Israel, which should have been the good faith
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: actor in this, has now basically given up even the
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: slightest fig leaf of pretension to wanting or tolerating a
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: two state solution. And hamas we know, has always been
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: a murderous, barbaric regime that wanted to wipe Israel off
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: the face of the map. So you've got two sides
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: who don't want peace and what they've got.
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: I think Israel wants peace, but I think they're realistic
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: about who they're dealing with right now. And I also
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: think the way this has been covered by the media,
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: everyone's so mad that Israel struck himas. Why was Katar
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: harboring Hamas? Why have they been allowing them to run
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: their operations out of Katar for years? They watched October
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: seven from Doha. Qatar was intimately involved in all of this,
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: and so I think if the US thinks Katar is
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: an ally, I know they have a base there, but
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: they are not a country you can trust. That's and
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: this is good because terrorists now know Israel will strike
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: you anywhere.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: But this is the precarious nature of it, right in
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: that the US does have ties with Katar, but the
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: US also understands what Katar is doing on the side,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: and Trump is trying to walk that fine line. And
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: it is the US who basically gives the money to
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Israel to be able to do these things in many cases,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: so Trump at some point is going to want to
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: call in his chips.
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: No, Israel's won plenty of wars without the US's help,
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: and they will win wars without the US's help, I think,
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: And to be honest, I reckon the Trump administration did
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: know what was going on. And I also think that
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: Qatar is actively trying to spread their influence in the
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: US through funding universities, think tanks, infiltrating many facets of
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: society around the West. They own more of London than
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: King Charles, and they are not a country we can trust.
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: So I think it's good to blow it up.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: I think we know that Qatar is not our lie,
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: but I think the US obviously was hoping that it
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: could at least be a broker. And again, if you
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: wanted a cease fire, you would not blow up the
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: country that is trying to negotiate that cease fire, even
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: if you knew that there were terrorists in it. Anyway,
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: while we're talking about war, another headline on the front
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: of the Ulster tomorrow.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: We're already at war with China.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Who knew I've never heard this before.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Anthony Alberinezi has revealed Australia will negotiate a security treaty
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: with Fiji, in a fresh move by his government to
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: counter Beijing, as the host of next year's Pacific Island
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Forum warned, we are already at war with China. The
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: commitment to the new pact with the Pacific's most military
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: capable nation came just a day after Vaniwatu scrattled a
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: five hundred million dollar security agreement with Australia that would
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: have blocked China from delivering major projects in the country.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: And I mean the assessment is not wrong.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: We're not in a military war with China, but we're
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: certainly in a war of influence with China that you know,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: on many fronts, you'd have to say they are winning
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: because they just have so much money.
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: And I think that's the mistake the West has made
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: really since the end of the Cold War. We thought
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: liberalism is won, the West is won. Yeah, we're all
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: going to live happily ever after. But they never stopped fighting,
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: really and we did, and now they're they've got the
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: upper hand, that's for sure.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Look, I think we'll be all right. But I
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: think one thing we really do have to worry about
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: more than anything, a greater threat even than China itself.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: I speak, of course, of sharks, and if you look
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: at the Newcastle Herald, they're everywhere sharks or try saying
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: this six times fast shark sightings sare it'll be fighting
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: if he's.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Hid, shark shk.
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: Char sharks chatting trying she gets seashells detections off the
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: Southwest Skyrocket. That is not a word you want to hear.
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: In relation to irocket. In the past two years, shark
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: sightings along the New South Wales coast have more than
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: doubled in a year. Data shows surf life saving New
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: South Wales data showed one hundred and one. Sorry, I
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: thought it was Fox FM one on one point nine.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: I was going to say, how do you spot point
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: nine at a shark?
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: It's the one.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: That's the one with the missing fin. Sorry, Yes, it's
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: one thousand and nineteen recorded sightings from drones in the
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: twenty four to twenty five season. The year before, there
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: were just four hundred and fifty three. Just days after
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: the fatal attack at the Long Reef Beach in Sydney,
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: New South Wales, Premier Chris Min's a hero to us
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: all and the handsomest man who ever walked the face
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: of the planet, has called off the plan trial to
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: remove nets from three beaches along the coastline this summer.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: Nets will remain in place along other alongside other shark
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: mitigation measures. So firstly, thank you keep all the nets. Please,
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: thank you. Now it's not the time sharks are out
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: there killing people. Leave the nets. I would say, just
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: in I'm no marine biologists, but just keep them there.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: And but the fact there are so many more everywhere,
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: Why they're coming for us all so not live online?
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Why why don't we just go out and kill them
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: and put him in the fish and chip shops.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: I just like it tastes my heart of heart put
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: an agreement.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: More you go, you go to the fish and chip shop,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: order some gamnge shack.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: It's a tasting.
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: I've become the greening on this the late debate tonight. No,
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: I have no issues with sharks.
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: As long as they stay firmly out in the ocean
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: we have our nets protecting our beaches, then we can
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: all try to coexist.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: Shark is a dead shark.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: By the way, Joe, I got a message here from
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Peter malinowskis the premiere of asking why he is not
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: the most.
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: He's the second most. He's the second most handsome. But
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: with means it's just the cheek. But yeah, it's just
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: it's just human nature.
• 44:58
  Speaker 7: Nolanascus has the the lottery.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: He does have the town, those rugged good looks, that
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: the olive complexion. A good fella. Lady at twenty paces
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: that guy just with one out of the eyelids. But
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: you know, I got to say, I got to stick.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: I'm playing a home game. You know. I love the
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: one you're with, Malie. I love the one you're with.
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: Okay, let's move on to the daily Telly now.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Mate for someone who sees your playing home game.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: He said, you're batting for.
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: The other team. My wife is very understanding.
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: Sorry, that's that's okay. You guys keep going.
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: I'm in the Daily Telly Tomorrow guardian sacked.
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: This is an exclusive.
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: The New South Wales Children's Guardian has been sensationally sacked
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: for misbehavior amid allegations he interfered with the Working with
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: Children Czech decision and failed to declare a close personal relationship.
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: It follows a six month investigation into the conduct of
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: Senior Public Servant Steve Kinman. Look right now, when we're
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: seeing the glaring failings in the child care system with
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: working with Children checks, this is not a good time
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: to be sprung trying to do the dodgy and inappropriately
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: influencing a Working with Children check.
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: I just kind of even imagine in what world you
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: think that.
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: Is appropriate, let alone as the children's guardian.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: It is staggering stuff. I'll read from the because this
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: blew me away when it came into my in box
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: this afternoon. I'll just read it out because of course
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: it's very sensitive. I don't want to get anything wrong.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: The move follows a six month investigation into long standing
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: public servant Steve Kimman follows a series of articles by
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: The Telly into the troubled office and apparently she said.
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: Families and Community Services Minister Cape Washington said that he
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: had intervened in a Working with Children Check decision against
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: the advice of his Working with Children Check and his
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: legal team. It overturned his staff recommendation and granted this
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: person a clearance, but failed to declare a significant conflict
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: of interest, evidenced in part by the ninety outbound calls
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: and three hundred and fifty seven text messages between the
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: two over a twelve month period. So I found that staggering.
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: So it appears to be a person he knows, and
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: they've got a Working with Children Check against the advice
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: of his own department and agency and expert.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: One hell of a story, that one. I'll tell you
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: what after the break. If you read the horoscopes every day,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: it turns out you may be reading the whole the
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: wrong horoscope for the entirety of your life.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: We can tell you more about that soon.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Now, it turns out the Guinness World Records having their
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: seventieth anniversary, and there are a whole bunch of records
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: that no one has ever actually attempted to do for.
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: It, and one of the ones we're going to attempt
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: for you tonight live on the Late Debate. We have
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: Joe hild around our highly official I'm.
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: The official world record officiator, and what we're.
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: Going to do is we are going to attempt to
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: achieve the most numbers, the most number of high fives
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: in thirty seconds.
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: That's right, And there's a very before you go, because
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: you have to know if your own safety. There is
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: a very important reason why no one has ever attempted
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: this feat before, because it's absolutely pointless. It is are
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: you ready?
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: Joe's timing, and we're going.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: To do it again?
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: Three two one, right here we go.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Now, apparently amongst this other list, the most high fives
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: and thirty seconds, the fastest four hundred meters sack race,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: the fastest time to assume the height of everest by bicycle.
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: What are we I don't know, because you're talking time
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: one hundred.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: There you go, one hundred. If that, if that doesn't
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: make the list, then I don't know what will. I
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: think we need to get the official and.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Genuinely puffed out of it.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: We need to get the official Giveness World Record people
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: to come in here and officiate over that, because I
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: want to name and.
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: We also need to watch that tape back on slow motion,
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: that is, before we go.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: If that wasn't the best television you've ever seen, let
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: me let me give you this.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Zodiac sides are apparently all wrong.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: And the New York Times reported on this the other
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: day that apparently, because of the way that the solar
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: system moves and all this sort of business, the zodiac
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: signs we have today in the dates describe to them
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: are actually about three thousand years out of date, and
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: they move along every so often. So the star signs
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: that we all think we have are not real. And
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: when you read the horoscope, you're actually reading someone.
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: Else's horoscopes aren't real.
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: I know what's your horoscope? Just quickly color, But Jim
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: and I, you will injure your hands in a stupid.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: I think I've already doted you so much for joining
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: us tonight.
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: Up next, The rid of Batter Show