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Credlin | 9 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kredland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredlin. The IBA's decision to keep rates on
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Speaker 2: hold yesterday now being weaponized by the Treasurer. It's not
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Speaker 2: in the national interest to cynically use our central bank
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Speaker 2: to play politics. I'll have more to say on that
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Speaker 2: in the moment. Dozens of top eightyf brass face the chop.
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Speaker 2: The government's preparing a sweeping overhaul. Now we know the
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Speaker 2: defense is a bit of a mess, but I can't
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Speaker 2: help but thinking this is Richard Miles trying to find
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Speaker 2: escapegoat rather than genuine reform. Greg Sheridan a little later,
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Speaker 2: plus two major smelters on life support tonight, the Government's
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Speaker 2: all but confirmed a taxpayer bailout.
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Speaker 3: It's amazing, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: How labor, we'll spend your money to fix a problem
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Speaker 2: of their own net zero making. And Donald Trump ramps
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Speaker 2: up his tariff war. The threat of pharmaceuticals now the
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Speaker 2: latest in the fiery line, sending panic waves about what
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Speaker 2: this means for Austraight year's PBS.
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Speaker 4: They're going to be tariffed at a very very high rate,
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Speaker 4: like two hundred percent.
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Speaker 5: Our pharmaceutical benefit scheme is not something that willing to
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Speaker 5: were willing to trade away or do deals on.
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Speaker 6: That won't change.
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Speaker 2: Now there's some scam angering on that today. I'll get
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Speaker 2: to what really might happen with pharmaceuticals a little later
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Speaker 2: in the show, but first they're coming more subsidies out
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Speaker 2: of your pocket to cover up for the government's policy mistakes.
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Speaker 2: Very soon, says the Prime Minister, his government will announce
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Speaker 2: a baila for two failing smelters, one of them in Tasmania,
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Speaker 2: were Labour hopes to win this month's state election.
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Speaker 7: It is very close too, because there are three governments.
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Speaker 7: The Industry Ministry is coordinating that effort and I would
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Speaker 7: hope that there would be an announcement soon about that.
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Speaker 2: But it's not the zinc smelter alone in Hobart or
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Speaker 2: the lead smelter in Port Pirie getting tens, if not
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Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars if your money. There's also
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Speaker 2: the steel plant at Wayela, plus smelters at Mount iSER
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Speaker 2: at tom Ago and bell Bay in Tasmania. They are
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Speaker 2: all in trouble and they're all seeking government support. If
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Speaker 2: they are to survive. It's claimed that the problem with
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Speaker 2: the Neo Star smelters is subsidized quote subsidized Chinese competition.
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Speaker 2: But at least part of the so called subsidy is
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Speaker 2: cheaper power in China, cheaper than we have in Australia,
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Speaker 2: because China refuses to let emissions reduction trump the supply
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Speaker 2: of affordable and reliable electricity as we once had in Australia.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister's right, we can't afford to lose these
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Speaker 2: vital industries, these heavy industries out of Australia. But what
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Speaker 2: about changing the government policies that are making these plants
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Speaker 2: uneconomic in the first place? What about ending them at
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Speaker 2: zero madness that's sending Australian jobs off shore. Because unless
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Speaker 2: that happens, throwing more and more taxpayer billions at the problem,
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Speaker 2: it's like putting a band aid on a bullet. Woon't
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Speaker 2: now is a trans woman a woman for the purposes
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Speaker 2: of Australian law?
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 2: A British court has recently declared that it's biology that
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Speaker 2: determines our sex, not personal choice, and now our higher
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Speaker 2: court here is being invited to make that same finding.
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Speaker 3: Last year a single.
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Speaker 2: Judge at the Federal Court held that it was unlawful
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Speaker 2: for a woman only app to exclude a trans woman
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Speaker 2: roxand Tickle, who of course is also a biological male. Now,
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Speaker 2: in the Tickle case, Justice Robert Bromich found that quote
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Speaker 2: sex is changeable, something as I said, the highest court
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Speaker 2: in the UK has just rejected. But if that decision
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Speaker 2: from Justice Bromwich stands here, we're likely to soon find
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Speaker 2: courts declaring that male rapists or murderers have a right
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Speaker 2: to be incarcerated in a women's prisons simply because they
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Speaker 2: identify as women. Right now, a male murderer double murder
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Speaker 2: in New South Wales has applied for just such a transfer.
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Speaker 2: Terry Markdonnay now says, nineteen years into his sentence for
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Speaker 2: double murder that he identifies as a woman. He's also
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Speaker 2: undergoing hormone replacement therapy as a result. Like to know
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Speaker 2: if the taxpayers are paying for that one.
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Speaker 3: Now He's not alone.
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Speaker 2: The Daily Telegraph also reports says some fifty other inmates
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Speaker 2: inside the prison system who also identifies transgender. Well, we'll
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Speaker 2: soon see if it's legitimate. And Australia to exclude biological
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Speaker 2: males who identify as females from female only spaces. Because
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Speaker 2: it's confirmed today the ticle case, that decision from one
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Speaker 2: judge will now go on appeal to the full Federal
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Speaker 2: Court and last seeing anyone should want to deny anybody
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Speaker 2: trans people or otherwise are their ordinary human rights. But
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Speaker 2: what's the whole point of over one hundred years of
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Speaker 2: female fight to be empowered? What's the point of insisting
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Speaker 2: on complete quality of men and women if anyone can
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Speaker 2: claim to be a woman? Also makes a mockery that
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Speaker 2: about inside the Liberal Party, doesn't it for quotas. Let's
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Speaker 2: go there on that issue tonight, because I'll tell you
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Speaker 2: what the push from a shell shocked Liberal Party to
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Speaker 2: let anyone and everyone choose Liberal candidates rather than the
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Speaker 2: party itself that's been seismic across the country today. Now
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Speaker 2: according to the architect of this potential move to a
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Speaker 2: US style primary system, New South Wales Liberal front bench
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Speaker 2: of Julian Lisa Well, he thinks the Liberal Party should
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Speaker 2: choose from a short list of candidates and that all
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Speaker 2: the members of the general public in that electorate get
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Speaker 2: to choose, vote, but choose who will then become the
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Speaker 2: endorsed Liberal candidate. Here is Julian Lisa on ABC Radio,
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Speaker 2: of course, trying to explain his crazy plan.
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Speaker 6: People who are not party members but who wanted to
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Speaker 6: participate in choosing their Liberal candidate could also play play
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Speaker 6: a role and select their candidate. What this would mean
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Speaker 6: is that people are not being selected behind closed doors anymore.
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Speaker 2: Well, no, wouldn't, because the short list would still be
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Speaker 2: stitched up by the factions. Lisa also said it'll make
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party better reflect their electorates.
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Speaker 6: People would be able to be selected by a broader
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Speaker 6: range of Australians. That would ensure that members were more
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Speaker 6: representative of the broad spectrum of people who vote for
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Speaker 6: our party within electorate.
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Speaker 2: Well wrong again, No, it wouldn't because it would allow
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Speaker 2: people who aren't committed enough to join the Liberal Party,
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Speaker 2: who may never have voted Liberal in their lives, to
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Speaker 2: then choose the Liberal candidate. And as with the related
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Speaker 2: argument for Jenda quotas, this confuses why the Liberal Party
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Speaker 2: was all but annihilated at the recent federal election.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't for the lack of good candidate.
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Speaker 2: It's could female candidates the Cole Flint, Amelia Hamer, Roe Knox,
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Speaker 2: Gisel Capterian, for instance, all excellent women chosen without quotas
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Speaker 2: and without any important selection systems.
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Speaker 3: Through the US.
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Speaker 2: A problem was not too few capable female candidates. It
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Speaker 2: was a lack of a strong national campaign and strong
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Speaker 2: alternative policies.
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Speaker 3: So rather than look to the United.
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Speaker 2: States, I say to Lisa, how about you go back
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Speaker 2: and look at what your own parties. Founder Robert Menzie
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Speaker 2: said on this very question, And I might add this
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Speaker 2: was in nineteen forty three, so revolutionary for the times.
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Speaker 2: Mensis said this, there's no reason why a qualified woman
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Speaker 2: should not sit in the parliament, or on the bench,
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Speaker 2: or in a professorial chair, or preach from the pulport, or,
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Speaker 2: if you like, command an army in the field. Mensi said,
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Speaker 2: I'm not half so interested in the sex, or social
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Speaker 2: position or world wealth of my representatives as I am.
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Speaker 2: They am in the soundness of their characters, the humanity
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Speaker 2: of their experience, is the santurity of their policy and
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Speaker 2: the strength of their wills. I'll tell you what, if
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Speaker 2: only these liberals near their history, they might actually get
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Speaker 2: themselves out of opposition and into government for a change.
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Speaker 2: Say what, I'm all for, Menzies. If you need to
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Speaker 2: read their history books, don't they. Let's got to cam
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Speaker 2: and out of the headlines, skyn this critical reporter camridden
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Speaker 2: good evening.
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Speaker 8: Australia's pharmaceutical companies could be next in the firing line
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Speaker 8: for President Trump's tariffs.
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Speaker 6: I'm going to give people about a year a year
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Speaker 6: and a half to come in and after that they're
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Speaker 6: going to be tariffed.
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Speaker 9: Any tariffs against the sector should be opposed.
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Speaker 8: But consumers won't have to pay more for their scripts.
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Speaker 8: That's because the Pharmaceutical Benefit Scheme limits the price of
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Speaker 8: nearly one thousand medicines sold in Australia.
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Speaker 5: The PBS is not for negotiation, it's not for sale.
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Speaker 3: For Australian patients.
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Speaker 10: They will still have that to their medicines, and Australian
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Speaker 10: prices weren't changed.
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Speaker 8: Mortgage holders and small businesses are holding out for rate
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Speaker 8: relief on the twelfth of August after the Reserve Bank
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Speaker 8: decided not to cut rates on Tuesday.
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Speaker 3: Obviously, it's a little bit disappointing that it didn't drop.
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Speaker 3: It's hater and we'll have the thing twice for.
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Speaker 7: A How we spent putting that on pause just delays
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Speaker 7: a bit of joy.
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Speaker 11: And a bit more confidence.
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Speaker 8: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, fairbit to get across. Joining me now from
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Speaker 2: the Women's Forum Australia, Jefanie Bastian and all the way
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Speaker 2: from Slovakia senior fellow at the Menses recar Center, Nick cat.
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Speaker 3: Well, Welcome to you both. Nick.
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Speaker 2: We'll start with the fallout from the cash rate yesterday
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Speaker 2: being left on hold, because pretty clear today that Jim
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Speaker 2: Chalmers was more than happy their play out. The fact
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Speaker 2: that the board was split sex members in favor of
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Speaker 2: the decision, three against.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 5: Obviously it will be a source of some interest that
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Speaker 5: the Reserve Bank Board was not unanimous on this occasion,
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Speaker 5: that there were different views expressed around the board table.
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Speaker 3: And Kata.
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Speaker 2: We only know this because labor changed the way the
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Speaker 2: bank operated last term and now, unlike the sort of
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Speaker 2: solidarity we see in a cabinet decision, you know, where
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Speaker 2: everything is private and everyone backs the ultimate decision, whether
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Speaker 2: they voted for it or not. In the case of
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Speaker 2: the RBA, their votes are made public and they're being
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Speaker 2: weaponized almost immediately here by the.
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Speaker 10: Treasurer indeed, I mean the treasure. You know, if you
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Speaker 10: had any principle, it should say this is an independent board, rightly,
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Speaker 10: so they make the decisions. That's all I've got to
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Speaker 10: say on the matter. But the point is, as you know, Peter,
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Speaker 10: the Labor Party very successfully managed to persuade the electorate
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Speaker 10: at the last election that interest rates for nothing to
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Speaker 10: do with them. I mean, like me, I'm sure you
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Speaker 10: would have expected the Liberals to do very well in
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Speaker 10: those mortgage belt seats, you know, seats like Carwell for instance,
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Speaker 10: or where or were in out of western Sydney. But no,
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Speaker 10: we didn't win those voters. Those people with mortgages that
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Speaker 10: were really struggling did not come to the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 10: So I suspect Charmus was very successful in the first
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Speaker 10: term in distancing the Labor Party from interest rates, although
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Speaker 10: of course you and I know that because of fiscal policy,
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Speaker 10: they are one of the big factors in pushing inflation up.
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Speaker 3: You're not wrong.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to more troubling news are the childcare sector
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Speaker 2: the South Andnoonit's reported that there's a worker in a
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Speaker 2: childcare center in New South Wales who has also been
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Speaker 2: charged with accounts of intentionally touching children and eight children
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Speaker 2: here obviously are at risk. The man has pleaded guilty,
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Speaker 2: not guilty, but your pardon not guilty to the charges.
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Speaker 2: There's a report to in the City Morning Herald today.
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Speaker 2: The fifty one year old worked for the Affinity Education Center.
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Speaker 2: Now it's the same company that owns the one in
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Speaker 2: Victoria that Joshua Dale Brown was working out. He was
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Speaker 2: of course charged last week with seventy child sex offenses.
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Speaker 2: What's more, the Australian newspapers reporting to some five hundred
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Speaker 2: and sixty daycare centers are failing to meet the health
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Speaker 2: and safety standards we demand from them.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Stephanie.
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Speaker 2: I also note that the CEO of that company in question,
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Speaker 2: in Relasia to New South Wales and Victoria, earns something
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Speaker 2: like one point five million dollars a year. Now, these
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Speaker 2: are big for profit businesses, many of them, and they
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Speaker 2: cream off the taxpayer support.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I really want an.
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Speaker 2: Overhaul the childcare policy in this country. I want it
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Speaker 2: back in the hands of parents, and I want parents
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Speaker 2: to get choice and not be forced into a childcare
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Speaker 2: system which is obviously not safely regulated as we should expect.
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Speaker 3: Well, good evening, Peter.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely the only people that are benefiting from the childcare
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Speaker 9: system are big corporates and government creaming income tax of
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Speaker 9: parents returning to work. What we've learned this week is
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Speaker 9: that childcare centers aren't safe. The issues systemic, They're heavily ingrained,
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Speaker 9: and I'm not sure that any reforms are going to
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Speaker 9: root it out completely. But the other thing that we
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Speaker 9: need to be talking about is whether childcare is actually
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Speaker 9: good for children. There is emerging evidence, particularly from experts
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Speaker 9: like Erica Commonsa who's talking about the detrimental impacts to
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Speaker 9: children's mental health development if they go into care too young,
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Speaker 9: particularly under the age of three. And the number of
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Speaker 9: women I've spoken to too many to count who feel
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Speaker 9: like they are being driven back into the workforce too
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Speaker 9: early because they have no choice is really disappointing.
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Speaker 3: We need serious overhaul.
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Speaker 9: We need serious tax reform, income tax reform so that
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Speaker 9: parents can choose to keep their partner at home longer
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Speaker 9: to raise children. And also we need to, as you said, put.
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Speaker 3: The power back into parents.
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Speaker 9: We need to reform the CCS system so that parents
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Speaker 9: can choose how their children are cared for, whether that's
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Speaker 9: at home, by expanding the income sorry the in home
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Speaker 9: care system. What is happening right now isn't working and
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Speaker 9: parents do not have a choice and their children are
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Speaker 9: at risk in these healthcare centers.
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Speaker 2: Even if you haven't got kids of a childcare age,
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Speaker 2: everyone's an aunt or an uncle, or a grandparent or
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Speaker 2: a taxpayer. I mean, sixteen billion dollars a year spent
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Speaker 2: for this unionized childcare sector. And I think this is
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Speaker 2: going to be a real debate ahead of the next election.
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Speaker 3: And Nick, we had.
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Speaker 2: Another speech to the National Press Club today, this one
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Speaker 2: from the CEO of the Smart Energy Counsel. I don't
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Speaker 2: think it's that smart, but that's it today. It's a
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Speaker 2: climate charity. And he said this.
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you one other thing I see when I
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Speaker 1: go to China. One thing you can say about the
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Speaker 1: Chinese system is that China plays as a team and
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Speaker 1: Australia spends all of our time trying to tear each
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Speaker 1: other apart.
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Speaker 2: As I said, not so smart. I mean, China is
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Speaker 2: the largest to emitter in the world. And part of
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Speaker 2: the reason there's a polar rice fine on energy in
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Speaker 2: this country is because a mob like this is incredibly political.
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Speaker 3: We saw that during the campaign.
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Speaker 10: Exactly, I mean to champion China are somehow some exemplar
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Speaker 10: in clean energy technology. It's almost as stupid as championing
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Speaker 10: Hamas for their LGBTQ policies. You know, it is ludicrous
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Speaker 10: that the reason that our smelters are struggling in Australia
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Speaker 10: is because the Chinese smelters use force labor, in many
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Speaker 10: cases very cheap labor, and they use states where dirty,
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Speaker 10: black and brown coal is abundant, so that's how they
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Speaker 10: make that stuff so cheaply. Sure, they're trying to clean
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Speaker 10: up the market and virtually have cleaned up the market
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Speaker 10: on things like solar panels and increasingly on electric vehicles.
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Speaker 10: That's an economic move by China. It's nothing at all
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Speaker 10: to do with saving the planet, and I don't believe
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Speaker 10: that the Chinese government would have a bar of the
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Speaker 10: kind of policies we've got that essentially economy measures.
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Speaker 2: I went back to this issue floated yesterday by New
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Speaker 2: South Wales Federal Liberal front Bench and Julia Lisa floated yesterday.
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Speaker 2: I've talked about it again today. This is our idea
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Speaker 2: to bring into the Australian political scene, into the Liberal Party,
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Speaker 2: in particular US style primaries to pre select candidates. Stephanie
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Speaker 2: Bastian He's not talking about Liberals in an electorate choosing
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Speaker 2: their candidate. He's talking about an open race with anyone
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Speaker 2: who votes in that electorate. So Teal, Green, Labor, all
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Speaker 2: of them having a say on who the Liberals should
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Speaker 2: put forward at the election, and I think it's crackers.
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Speaker 3: What do you think?
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Speaker 9: It's absolutely insane the fact that this issue around quotas
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Speaker 9: is still going.
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Speaker 3: I mean, get back to your policy base.
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Speaker 9: What are voter's voting for the Greens candidate not invested
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Speaker 9: in the Liberal Party having a good quality candidate that's
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Speaker 9: going to win.
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Speaker 3: They're not interested.
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Speaker 9: This is absolutely ridiculous and a waste of the Liberal
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Speaker 9: Party's time. What they need to do is they need
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Speaker 9: to go back to their founding values. They need to
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Speaker 9: look at what economic reforms are going to bring.
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Speaker 3: Liberal parties, the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 9: Voters back to the party home ownership, lower income tax,
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Speaker 9: and go from there. It doesn't matter how many women
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Speaker 9: you pre select. Without a good policy base, there will
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Speaker 9: be they will not get elected.
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Speaker 3: Nick.
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Speaker 2: Someone made the point to me when I was talking
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Speaker 2: about this yesterday that, of course, if you go down
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Speaker 2: the US primary system route and the vying candidates have
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Speaker 2: to get their name recognition up across an electric wide vote,
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Speaker 2: not just amongst party members who might have known them
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Speaker 2: from some time. It's really going to favor someone with
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Speaker 2: deep pockets, which is exactly what happens in the United States.
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Speaker 2: But also it'll favor the factional pick because they will
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Speaker 2: be able to put money behind their preferred person. And
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Speaker 2: there's just no way a conservative will ever get pre selected,
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Speaker 2: even for the Liberal Party, because the labor type and
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Speaker 2: the green type are going to make sure they don't
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Speaker 2: get the job. I mean, as I said, I think
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Speaker 2: it's crackers.
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Speaker 10: I think it's naive. It's not one Julian's smartest ideas,
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Speaker 10: to be honest, in my view. Peter, Oh, look, it's crazy.
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Speaker 10: I just hope it goes nowhere because the point is
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Speaker 10: that we need more members, committed members in the Liberal Party. Indeed,
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Speaker 10: every party needs more members. People who come out on
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Speaker 10: the day, who volunteer, will put them money in, will
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Speaker 10: contribute to fundraisers. That's what we need. And what's the
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Speaker 10: point of putting one hundred bucks over the table or
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Speaker 10: whatever it costs to become a member every year if
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Speaker 10: you don't even get a saying, or you get a
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Speaker 10: very watered down saying who your local member is. I
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Speaker 10: think all this stuff's crazy, Peter. I mean, sure, we
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Speaker 10: can have these discussions at some time, but they are
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Speaker 10: absolutely nothing to do with the important discussion we need
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Speaker 10: to have now, which is how to make the Liberal
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Speaker 10: Party electrible, Electra Electra electable again. Let me say one
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Speaker 10: thing on this women's business. Look, if this was the
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Speaker 10: answer to the women's the Liberals problems, just to feminize
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Speaker 10: the front bench, just to have a look at the UK,
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Speaker 10: they've had three women leaders of the Conservative Party in
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Speaker 10: the last ten years, they had the first Conservative Prime minister. Look,
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Speaker 10: that's not the issue for them at all. It's the
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Speaker 10: same as the issue is for the Liberal Party in Australia.
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Speaker 10: It's showing strong values and policies that are relevant to people.
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Speaker 2: Two hundred percent. Of course, they don't have a quota.
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Speaker 2: They've had three female prime ministers. Labor does it hasn't
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Speaker 2: had any And of course you've got the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: of the deputy two blokes here and they've won a
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Speaker 2: landslide with a lot of females voting for them. So
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Speaker 2: that is not the biggest part of the problem. Let's
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Speaker 2: just go quickly to the example out of New South
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Speaker 2: Wales today, the attempt by a double murderer, Stephanie to
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Speaker 2: get moved to a female prison because he now identifies
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Speaker 2: as a female and is taking hormone replacement therapy. There's
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Speaker 2: fifty other transgender pre in the system. I suspect this
20:01
Speaker 2: won't be the last time as state has been asked
20:04
Speaker 2: to rule on a decision like this.
20:06
Speaker 3: And of course this is why as.
20:07
Speaker 2: Cell Grover is appealing that a decision that went against
20:11
Speaker 2: her in the Gigle and Tickle case, isn't.
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Speaker 9: She absolutely and I mean New South Wales just last
20:20
Speaker 9: week their sex self highd laws came into effect. So
20:23
Speaker 9: our fear is what happens in the future when serious
20:28
Speaker 9: murderers and sex offenders come into the system already legally women.
20:32
Speaker 9: But it shouldn't be up to sal Grover to fight
20:34
Speaker 9: this fight. The federal government could change this tomorrow. They
20:37
Speaker 9: could reform the amendments to the Sex Discrimination Act. Instead,
20:41
Speaker 9: they've left it to a woman whose business has been destroyed,
20:43
Speaker 9: a mother, to fight this and to take it all
20:46
Speaker 9: the way to the High Court. It's absolutely appalling and
20:49
Speaker 9: I wish the opposition, the Liberal Party, would come out
20:53
Speaker 9: and make some noise to put some pressure on the
20:54
Speaker 9: government to reform the Sex Discrimination Acts. So women are
20:58
Speaker 9: legally protected under the law.
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Speaker 2: Just to you raise something very interesting in that response, sense, Stephanie,
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Speaker 2: help me understand this.
21:06
Speaker 3: So you're saying the case of say.
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Speaker 2: Victoria, which has had the selfie D laws for some time,
21:11
Speaker 2: so anyone at any given twelve month period can change
21:15
Speaker 2: their gender in the eye of the Victorian legal system.
21:19
Speaker 2: So if I was to call myself a man as
21:21
Speaker 2: of tomorrow, I would be put into a male prison.
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Speaker 3: That's what would happen.
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Speaker 2: There's no way that in the case of the women
21:30
Speaker 2: prison they could say we do not want a male
21:32
Speaker 2: sex offender who might be transgender. We don't want a
21:35
Speaker 2: male sex offender in our prison. You're saying that that
21:37
Speaker 2: would all be a fatal complete.
21:42
Speaker 3: Correct.
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Speaker 9: So what's happened is they've brought in sex selfi D
21:45
Speaker 9: laws And this is in New South Wales, where you
21:48
Speaker 9: only need to sign a piece of paper essentially to
21:50
Speaker 9: be a legal woman having your sex marker on your
21:54
Speaker 9: birth certificate change. So while they might be able to
21:57
Speaker 9: prevent current inmates because there are restrictions round sex self
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Speaker 9: ID in the prison system, future perpetrator's future offenders who
22:05
Speaker 9: come into the prison system would already be legally recognized
22:08
Speaker 9: as women, therefore could go into female prisons. That's our
22:11
Speaker 9: understanding of the current legislation.
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Speaker 2: Wow, I might get a legal expert on that tomorrow
22:17
Speaker 2: because I do not think that's been well ventilated in
22:20
Speaker 2: the media today. Thank you Stephanie Bastian. Thank you to you,
22:23
Speaker 2: Nick Cator. Enjoy at Slovakia. All right, before we gave
22:26
Speaker 2: the break today, the Victorian Supreme Court was supposed to
22:29
Speaker 2: hear that legal challenge by some members of the party's
22:32
Speaker 2: powerful Administrative Committee against the decision made by that same
22:37
Speaker 2: committee to controversially lend one point five million dollars to
22:41
Speaker 2: John Pizuto in order that he settle his legal debts
22:44
Speaker 2: and avoid bankruptcy. Well, in another twist, and there's been
22:48
Speaker 2: plenty of them, that hearing today was abandoned now that
22:52
Speaker 2: mediators have been appointed and they will try and resolve
22:55
Speaker 2: the matter, but it will go back to court on
22:57
Speaker 2: the twenty fifth of September. All right, after the break,
23:01
Speaker 2: President Trump ramps up his retric on tariffs. Those concerns
23:05
Speaker 2: not very well founded in relation to Australia's PBS, But
23:09
Speaker 2: there's lots of other issues air plus talk of the
23:12
Speaker 2: knife going through the senior ranks of the ADF. How
23:15
Speaker 2: much of this as miles looking for escapegoat. Greg Sheridan
23:19
Speaker 2: coming out, welcome Bock coming up. Well, Australia's a social
23:28
Speaker 2: media ban for under sixteen's work comes in a little
23:31
Speaker 2: later in the show, a little later in the year.
23:34
Speaker 2: There are a fair amount of critics out there. We'll
23:37
Speaker 2: talked to one of them in a moment, But first,
23:38
Speaker 2: Donald Trump has again escalated his tariff war threats to
23:42
Speaker 2: now put tariffs on of two hundred percent on foreign
23:46
Speaker 2: drugs and fifty percent on copper. He's extended the deadline
23:50
Speaker 2: as a reporter last night until the first of August.
23:53
Speaker 2: But it still looks very unlikely that Australia will get
23:55
Speaker 2: a deal. We can't even get a meeting. How we're
23:57
Speaker 2: going to get a deal? Prime Minister Well, he's not
24:00
Speaker 2: really sure where he stands on any of this. Let's
24:02
Speaker 2: get in someone who can give us a bit of
24:04
Speaker 2: a steer. Foreign Editor at Australian, Greg Sheridan, Well, what
24:07
Speaker 2: do you make of the latest developments?
24:09
Speaker 3: Greek?
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Speaker 4: Great to be with you, Peter and welcome back. Look,
24:14
Speaker 4: it's a bad move by Trump. I think Trump's constant,
24:19
Speaker 4: unstable tariff announcements, most of which are not ever implemented,
24:23
Speaker 4: destabilizers global trade, destabilizes corporate investment, damages America's reputation, and
24:29
Speaker 4: he doesn't have any consideration for allies. But it begs
24:34
Speaker 4: this question of the Alberanesi government. Two things you'd want
24:36
Speaker 4: from an Australian government. You'd want them to use their
24:39
Speaker 4: wonderful insider access to Trump, based on all of our
24:43
Speaker 4: fabulous associations with America, to get the best deal you
24:46
Speaker 4: possibly could. And you'd want them to have a high productivity,
24:50
Speaker 4: high growth, fabulous economic strategy for Australia. Well, the Alberanesi
24:56
Speaker 4: government just fails dismally on both. And the pharmaceuticals, even
25:00
Speaker 4: our pharmaceutical experts aren't that big about two billion dollars
25:03
Speaker 4: to America, but they're one of the very few areas
25:06
Speaker 4: where we can actually manufacture anything in Australia in our
25:11
Speaker 4: high cost, super red tape, massively uncompetitive environment. They're one
25:16
Speaker 4: of the few things we can actually manufacture and do
25:20
Speaker 4: so competitively. And it would be a tragedy if they
25:23
Speaker 4: got hit with these tariffs. God knows if Trump will
25:25
Speaker 4: ever implement them.
25:29
Speaker 2: The pms off to Beijing and cheng Dao and Shanghai,
25:34
Speaker 2: three cities on the visit, so it says, to meets
25:36
Speaker 2: a substantial state visit. He heads off on Saturday. The
25:41
Speaker 2: Chinese wanted on the trade table artificial intelligence and a
25:46
Speaker 2: relaxation of our foreign investment laws. The Prime minister says,
25:50
Speaker 2: we're not going to talk about either of them. What
25:53
Speaker 2: are you looking for out of this visit? Because it
25:55
Speaker 2: seems we're far more welcome in Beijing than our prime
26:00
Speaker 2: minister might be in Washington.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think this might be the longest single
26:06
Speaker 4: visit to any one country Albanesi has made as Prime minister.
26:10
Speaker 4: I think the optics of that are bad. I don't
26:13
Speaker 4: think Australia generally handles China policy very well. The Alberesi
26:18
Speaker 4: government has completely reversed itself on its retoric from its
26:21
Speaker 4: first year in office. It used to tell us these
26:24
Speaker 4: were the most dangerous strategic times we'd have a face
26:27
Speaker 4: since World War II. The only strategic danger was China
26:30
Speaker 4: won't say anything about that. Now it just rolls over
26:34
Speaker 4: and you know, lets its tummy be tickled and says
26:37
Speaker 4: combay art of China. It is a good thing that
26:39
Speaker 4: Albanesi has ruled out the artificial intelligence stuff and reviewing
26:44
Speaker 4: the Foreign Investment Review Board. Now, if he hadn't ruled
26:47
Speaker 4: that out, that would be absurd. The idea of an
26:49
Speaker 4: artificial intelligence agreement with China, which is the chief source
26:53
Speaker 4: of cyber attack and state espionage and commercial espionage against
26:59
Speaker 4: Australia would be completely insane. So Alberanzi has lived up
27:04
Speaker 4: to you the mere basic level of sanity. It's weird
27:10
Speaker 4: that Alberesi gave such an anti American speech just before
27:13
Speaker 4: he heads off to China. Not only can't he get
27:16
Speaker 4: a meeting with Trump, it's not clear to me he
27:18
Speaker 4: wants to go to Washington to have a meeting. It
27:20
Speaker 4: just like an informal thing in the corridors. I just
27:24
Speaker 4: think Albanese is reverting to type, to what he really believed.
27:28
Speaker 4: All the hawkish stuff he used to say, I think
27:31
Speaker 4: was just what he felt he had to say to
27:33
Speaker 4: win an election. And here we are back with the
27:35
Speaker 4: real Alberanesi, who doesn't take the China threat business seriously
27:40
Speaker 4: and has never had a serious thought in his head
27:42
Speaker 4: ever about national security.
27:45
Speaker 3: Pretty tough.
27:46
Speaker 2: And I have to say I agree with you, and
27:47
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I think he just wants to
27:49
Speaker 2: pull a side in the margins of a global event,
27:52
Speaker 2: so you know, nothing much will come of it. He
27:54
Speaker 2: can tick the box, he can come back to the
27:56
Speaker 2: MEETIA and tell you, tell me, tell everybody that he's
27:58
Speaker 2: had his meeting and to bugger off. We shouldn't keep
28:00
Speaker 2: asking questions. But it's not about relationship building.
28:06
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right.
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Speaker 3: No.
28:11
Speaker 4: I mean, if he thinks he has a relationship with Shejinping,
28:14
Speaker 4: that's nonsense. I mean the Australian prime minister who spent
28:17
Speaker 4: most time with Gijinping was Tony Abbott, and Tony Abott
28:19
Speaker 4: did a very good job on foreign policy when he
28:21
Speaker 4: was Prime minister, but that relationship didn't result in anything.
28:25
Speaker 4: I mean, China does what it wants, what it thinks
28:28
Speaker 4: is is in its benefit.
28:30
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
28:31
Speaker 4: But I wonder if I can I wonder if I
28:33
Speaker 4: can have a very quick word on a topic we
28:35
Speaker 4: did schedule, but I don't know if we've got time
28:37
Speaker 4: for males. Has suggested he might sack. No.
28:41
Speaker 2: I will go to that, Greg because because this worries me,
28:44
Speaker 2: I'll get to this because I'll just bring people in
28:46
Speaker 2: at home, because I think this really does worry me.
28:48
Speaker 2: There's talking's going to sack a whole lot of people
28:51
Speaker 2: out of the senior ranks of not just the defense
28:53
Speaker 2: departments and not just the public servants, but a whole
28:56
Speaker 2: lot of uniformed senior eighty IF officers and commanders. How
29:02
Speaker 2: much of this is serious reform that is needed? I mean,
29:05
Speaker 2: I like small government, not big government. Or is this
29:09
Speaker 2: about a skate goping gaping skate goating because the government's
29:15
Speaker 2: in strife over defense, what do you think?
29:19
Speaker 4: Well, Peter, the government is deservedly in strife, and it
29:22
Speaker 4: is responsible for the colossal mess and cock up of defense. Absolutely,
29:27
Speaker 4: it's the government. It's responsible. However, I do think any
29:32
Speaker 4: shakeup of the senior defense people is long overdue and
29:36
Speaker 4: devoutly to be wished. When the Albanesi government was first elected,
29:40
Speaker 4: I thought their original sin, their first big mistake, was
29:44
Speaker 4: just to reappoint all the senior leadership of the Defense
29:47
Speaker 4: department and the military. So they're all good people, they're
29:49
Speaker 4: patriotic people. I've got nothing against any of them individually.
29:52
Speaker 4: But the bottom line is this defense has failed time
29:56
Speaker 4: after time after time, both the uniformed folks and the
30:01
Speaker 4: Department of Defense, and all that ever happens is they
30:04
Speaker 4: all get promoted. The only person who ever takes responsibility
30:07
Speaker 4: in defense is a rank of corporal or below. Nobody
30:10
Speaker 4: above corporal ever takes responsibility for anything. There's been an
30:13
Speaker 4: insane explosion of star ranked officers at the senior level,
30:19
Speaker 4: all doing nothing, you know, sitting around in committees. There's
30:22
Speaker 4: no clear line of responsibility anywhere we you know, when
30:26
Speaker 4: we first got friendly with Cambodia after the overthrow Paul
30:31
Speaker 4: Pottensaw and we found that there were two thousand generals
30:34
Speaker 4: in the Cambodian army and that was the first reform
30:37
Speaker 4: suggestion we made was to sack all the generals. Well,
30:40
Speaker 4: the Australian military is like that. Now We've got more
30:43
Speaker 4: star officers per fighting soldier than I think we've ever
30:47
Speaker 4: had in our history. Now I would like the whole
30:50
Speaker 4: lot of them just to go away, because if you
30:53
Speaker 4: were governed by the first ten pages of the Sydney
30:56
Speaker 4: phone Book, you couldn't do worse than our defense organization
31:00
Speaker 4: has done in the last ten years. Bring people in
31:02
Speaker 4: from private enterprise, if the top echelon of defense is
31:06
Speaker 4: no good. Reduce the size of the echelon by about
31:09
Speaker 4: ninety percent, promote the second echelon, give them very clear responsibilities,
31:14
Speaker 4: and let's go. I mean, we keep saying we're going
31:16
Speaker 4: to buy off the shelf equipment, we're not going to
31:19
Speaker 4: modify it. And yet every time you get a fiasco
31:22
Speaker 4: like the hundred frigates, where Defense somehow or other buys
31:25
Speaker 4: an experiment you know and not yet in production ship
31:29
Speaker 4: and then modifies it to within an inch of its life.
31:32
Speaker 4: And these hundred frigates, Each one of these ridiculous hundred
31:35
Speaker 4: frigates is going to cost more than it cost to
31:37
Speaker 4: build a Virginia class submarine. They're going to be wildly undergunned,
31:41
Speaker 4: and we're not going to get any of them for
31:43
Speaker 4: ten years. I mean, this is or nearly ten years.
31:46
Speaker 4: This is madness.
31:47
Speaker 6: Now.
31:47
Speaker 4: If that level of performance doesn't justify clearing out the
31:51
Speaker 4: whole corporate leadership, the whole lot of them, and trying
31:55
Speaker 4: something new, I don't know what does. So Males deserves
31:59
Speaker 4: all the blood for the mess we've had over the
32:01
Speaker 4: last three years. But if he cleaned out the operational
32:04
Speaker 4: lines of defense, military and civilian. I'd be very happy
32:08
Speaker 4: about that.
32:10
Speaker 2: I think I I would agree with you at that score.
32:12
Speaker 2: I tell you what, I'd like him to sack himself
32:14
Speaker 2: on the way out though, but we'll.
32:16
Speaker 3: See what if that happens. Brickshidan, thank you.
32:19
Speaker 2: Let's move now to the new band that's coming in
32:21
Speaker 2: play in Australia. Under sixteen year olds will be banned
32:25
Speaker 2: from social media.
32:26
Speaker 3: It will be a world first.
32:27
Speaker 2: Now widely praised by some internationally and I without criticism.
32:32
Speaker 2: There's accusations that labors rush this legislation through without thorough
32:37
Speaker 2: consideration of the parameters of the restrictions.
32:40
Speaker 3: I also have to.
32:41
Speaker 2: Say it can't be all we do in this space
32:45
Speaker 2: with children and devices, which brings me to my next guest.
32:48
Speaker 3: I heard her speak at ARK in London. She's fantastic.
32:52
Speaker 2: Sophie Wilcoreman, a UK actor and campaigner in this space,
32:56
Speaker 2: and she's been leading calls to pull back on the
32:58
Speaker 2: use of technology in our classroom. Please to say, she
33:01
Speaker 2: joins me now from London. Sophy, thank you for coming
33:03
Speaker 2: on the show in Australia because, as I said, I
33:05
Speaker 2: thought your speech at ARP was fantastic. We are patting
33:09
Speaker 2: ourselves on the back of this this change that will
33:11
Speaker 2: come in at the end of the year regarding people
33:13
Speaker 2: under the age of sixteen and social media. But I
33:16
Speaker 2: think we think this is all we have to do.
33:20
Speaker 3: Have we got it right?
33:23
Speaker 11: Well, first of all, lovely to be here a great
33:25
Speaker 11: fan of yours. I think it's impressive and exciting that
33:29
Speaker 11: Australia are showing muscular pioneering action on this topic because
33:34
Speaker 11: it's a great sign for other countries around the world
33:37
Speaker 11: that they can't just be complacent and negligent anymore. So
33:40
Speaker 11: I'm personally terribly grateful to Australia for being the first ones.
33:45
Speaker 11: Apparently Brazil are doing something similar. I don't know if
33:49
Speaker 11: you've got it right yet. I know there's some issues
33:52
Speaker 11: on age verification. In terms of data security. I think
33:56
Speaker 11: you've now allowed WhatsApp and YouTube. I think you guys
33:59
Speaker 11: have now said that's okay. I don't think they're okay.
34:02
Speaker 11: I'm having seen everything I've seen, I'm now pretty hardline
34:06
Speaker 11: on all this stuff. And I don't actually know why
34:09
Speaker 11: children need to have any Internet enabled device before they're sixteen,
34:13
Speaker 11: let alone the contagion of it in the classrooms, which
34:16
Speaker 11: I know are going to come onto.
34:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people say that we really need
34:21
Speaker 2: to go further, We need to take the devices out
34:23
Speaker 2: of the classroom. I know there's some schools in Australia
34:25
Speaker 2: that are putting back in handwriting. Our kids have lost
34:29
Speaker 2: the art of writing with a pen and writing with
34:32
Speaker 2: a pencil. Where do you stand on this?
34:35
Speaker 11: I stand very firmly in the camp of handwriting implants
34:40
Speaker 11: learned information far more profoundly in the brain than typing
34:43
Speaker 11: and swiping does. Reading a page from a book is
34:46
Speaker 11: a far more deep way to learn than reading on
34:49
Speaker 11: a screen where you just skim read. This has all
34:51
Speaker 11: been clinically proven. Sweden showed a lot of muscle like
34:55
Speaker 11: you guys are on the social media space on ed
34:58
Speaker 11: tech and education, and they've basically said it was a
35:01
Speaker 11: failed experiment and they're reinvesting in books, pen and paper,
35:04
Speaker 11: and I really want the rest of the world's fuller suit.
35:07
Speaker 11: But as ed tech is now a multi billion dollar business,
35:11
Speaker 11: it's going to be a very tough hill to climb
35:13
Speaker 11: because they are going to peddle this stuff pretending it's
35:16
Speaker 11: superior to traditional methods even though it's been proven that
35:20
Speaker 11: it really isn't and it's got to be parents and
35:23
Speaker 11: teachers taking to the streets and saying no way.
35:28
Speaker 3: I mean you.
35:29
Speaker 2: Along with Darth and Heide, I think have been really
35:31
Speaker 2: phenomenal in this space because we're having a conversation that
35:34
Speaker 2: we just weren't having two or three years ago. Everyone
35:36
Speaker 2: thought that the advance of TIKE through the classroom was
35:40
Speaker 2: just more and more of it.
35:41
Speaker 3: We couldn't get enough.
35:42
Speaker 2: And now we're really asking ourselves whether we need to
35:44
Speaker 2: get it right out. And of course we've got AI
35:47
Speaker 2: on the doorstep.
35:50
Speaker 11: Absolutely. AI is a slightly separate topic in that I
35:54
Speaker 11: think it can be okay for some sixteen to eighteen
35:59
Speaker 11: year olds to work out how to use it. I'm
36:01
Speaker 11: not a big fan of it in the school space,
36:03
Speaker 11: but I want children to be digitally literate. But there's
36:06
Speaker 11: a big difference between knowing how to use a computer
36:09
Speaker 11: and knowing how to navigate the Internet and being in
36:12
Speaker 11: there being a contagion of this stuff in every single subject,
36:17
Speaker 11: and that's what people are getting very angry about. Also,
36:20
Speaker 11: gazing at a screen all day is incredibly unhealthy. It's
36:23
Speaker 11: bad for it gives children headaches, it's bad for their eyesight,
36:27
Speaker 11: it's bad for their hormone production. It's bad for their posture,
36:30
Speaker 11: it's bad for their sleep.
36:31
Speaker 1: We should all.
36:32
Speaker 3: Say no to this way of learning.
36:34
Speaker 11: It's cerebrally not as good as handwriting and reading, and
36:38
Speaker 11: it's physically incredibly unhealthy.
36:42
Speaker 3: Well, and I'm going to keep out the fight.
36:43
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining us tonight in Australia,
36:45
Speaker 2: so I feel, and they from London. A reminder too.
36:48
Speaker 2: Ak will have a conference in June next day. Those
36:52
Speaker 2: details are online. She's also remember the British royal family.
36:55
Speaker 2: I hear what she's got an era of pretty important
36:57
Speaker 2: people there. I hope this fight and conversation continues.
37:01
Speaker 3: Or right after the break, a.
37:01
Speaker 2: Lawyer's been slammed or has slammed the eightyf for failing
37:05
Speaker 2: to act on sexual abuse within its ranks. Plus medicinal cannabis, it's.
37:10
Speaker 3: A free for all. I'll tell you what.
37:12
Speaker 2: There's a bit of big game going on here. That's
37:15
Speaker 2: after the break. The wonderful Kelvirich's is coming up. One
37:21
Speaker 2: of my words is in the mix today, but let's
37:23
Speaker 2: bring the panel first. Guy and His contributed to Jamie
37:25
Speaker 2: Rodgers and Nationals Senator for Queensland. The Lymp's Matt Canavan.
37:31
Speaker 2: Let's start with a pretty controversial appointment today, the first
37:35
Speaker 2: public service that was sacked by the Christophildy government. Well
37:38
Speaker 2: he's landed a big new plum job, almost a million
37:41
Speaker 2: dollar salary in Canberra. His name is Mike Kaiser and
37:46
Speaker 2: he's going to head up the federal government's Department of
37:48
Speaker 2: Climate Change, Energy, Environment and Water.
37:51
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.
37:52
Speaker 2: It was a controversial bloke as a staffer, as an MP,
37:55
Speaker 2: as a political campaign and Matt so his appointment to
37:59
Speaker 2: the Climate portfolio, it's pretty telling.
38:05
Speaker 12: Well true, Peter. Look, I think there should be a
38:09
Speaker 12: new Minister for Energy, not a new Secretary for Energy.
38:12
Speaker 12: I'd much prefer that change, given what's happened to electricity
38:15
Speaker 12: prices under the first term of this Labor government and
38:18
Speaker 12: under of course Chris Baren's watch. In terms of mister Kaiser,
38:22
Speaker 12: I haven't had a lot to do with him. I
38:24
Speaker 12: did deal with him on the Olympics last year and look,
38:26
Speaker 12: I must say I found him very professional and a
38:29
Speaker 12: great guy. And I do say too, Look, I do
38:33
Speaker 12: think it's the right of an elected government to appoint
38:36
Speaker 12: the people they think will implement their agenda in at
38:40
Speaker 12: the public service, and Mike Kaiser made that point when
38:43
Speaker 12: he was dismissed by the incoming LMP government. He did
38:46
Speaker 12: so with an enormous amount of grace and he did Indeed,
38:49
Speaker 12: he received praise from Premier Christa fully for the professionalism
38:52
Speaker 12: with which he transitioned government to the LMP, and he said, look,
38:57
Speaker 12: it's up to the LMP to decide who appoints there,
39:00
Speaker 12: who their secretarial appointments are, and he took it with
39:03
Speaker 12: good grace and left. So look, I'm going to I'll
39:05
Speaker 12: give him a go. I just hope that all public
39:08
Speaker 12: servants conduct their job in the best interests of this country. Sure,
39:13
Speaker 12: they are there to implement a democratically elected government's agenda,
39:17
Speaker 12: but they are also there to be accountable to the
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Speaker 12: nation's Parliament and that's what I'm looking forward to get
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Speaker 12: back to doing when we're back in camera.
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Speaker 2: You are more charitable than me, because I remember when
39:31
Speaker 2: Tony havebn't removed a few appointees as Secretary Labor screamed
39:36
Speaker 2: like cut cats. There was a carry on in the
39:38
Speaker 2: media and of course when they do the same thing,
39:41
Speaker 2: it's all absolutely the right sort of process. So you're,
39:44
Speaker 2: as I said, more charitable than me, Jamie, welcome to
39:47
Speaker 2: the program. I'm great you're joining us. I'm great to
39:49
Speaker 2: say that you are joining us. And please to say
39:51
Speaker 2: you're joining us every Wednesday too. This constant debate about
39:56
Speaker 2: sexual abuse in the ADYF. We talk a lot about
39:59
Speaker 2: how many play we're buying, you know, how much we.
40:01
Speaker 3: Spend on defense.
40:03
Speaker 2: But we had a royal commission not so long ago,
40:06
Speaker 2: and the commissioner says that none of those recommendations were
40:11
Speaker 2: acted upon. This as Gary rumble. And we've also got
40:14
Speaker 2: the outgoing Defense Minister, Senator Linda Reynolds, who also herself
40:18
Speaker 2: was an Army brigadier say, why and worth would any
40:22
Speaker 2: girl want.
40:23
Speaker 3: To enlist in the military.
40:24
Speaker 2: Why would a parent want their daughter to enlist in
40:27
Speaker 2: the military.
40:28
Speaker 3: If we've had a decade to sort this out, why
40:31
Speaker 3: haven't we.
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Speaker 13: Peter, It's beyond disappointing. The ADF have just shown that
40:37
Speaker 13: they're incapable of being able to have that cultural reform
40:41
Speaker 13: which is so desperately needed to provide a safe environment
40:44
Speaker 13: for females but also just an environment for respect that
40:47
Speaker 13: both male and female. And what we've seen is that
40:50
Speaker 13: the female participation within the ADYF is at twenty one
40:53
Speaker 13: percent and hasn't increased at all since twenty twenty one.
40:57
Speaker 13: And what came out in that Commission report handed out
41:00
Speaker 13: last year was the level of suicide. So ex service
41:03
Speaker 13: women who have been exposed to alleged sexual abuse or misconduct,
41:08
Speaker 13: they're twice as likely to take their own life then
41:11
Speaker 13: compared to females out in.
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Speaker 3: The broader public. So it's not good enough.
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Speaker 13: And the fact that we have seen this week a
41:17
Speaker 13: spokeswoman from the Labor government to say that they've got
41:21
Speaker 13: an internal task force that are going to start implementing
41:23
Speaker 13: these recommendations. As you said, this is now more than
41:26
Speaker 13: a decade. She has said it's going to take time
41:29
Speaker 13: to be able to implement these changes. But we've already
41:32
Speaker 13: had more than ten years the ADF go out and
41:35
Speaker 13: look after all of the Australians and yet we can't
41:38
Speaker 13: protect the females that are out there risking their lives.
41:40
Speaker 13: We don't want time, We want to get this done
41:43
Speaker 13: right now. It is time for change.
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Speaker 2: And what I had been it was the Defense Minister too.
41:48
Speaker 2: We also had another woman, Maurice Paine, and none of
41:51
Speaker 2: this changed.
41:52
Speaker 3: Under their watch. So it is it systemic.
41:54
Speaker 2: Let's go to the story today about the cracking down
41:58
Speaker 2: by the medical watchdog CAVAN on all of these doctors
42:02
Speaker 2: and almost an industry of companies writing thousands of scripts
42:06
Speaker 2: a month for so called medicinal cannabis. Some of these
42:09
Speaker 2: consultations last a couple of seconds, additioning out prescriptions to kids.
42:14
Speaker 2: We've got people ending up for some of them suffering
42:17
Speaker 2: from psychosis.
42:19
Speaker 3: Just the other day I spoke to Ian.
42:20
Speaker 2: Hickey, he's a Brain and Mind center psychiatrists in the UNI,
42:24
Speaker 2: and he was pretty blunt on what's happening here about
42:26
Speaker 2: the commercialization of medical cannabis.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 14: Australia has had a pretty liberal attitude of medicinal cannabis
42:33
Speaker 14: as well. He's really driven by commercial interests. And you know,
42:37
Speaker 14: we've had great trouble with tobacco, alcohol, other substances. We
42:40
Speaker 14: don't need to add this to the mix.
42:43
Speaker 2: And some of this, Matt's about the drive to have
42:46
Speaker 2: US legalized cannabis. Of course, like the United States, surely
42:50
Speaker 2: we've got to rain this in.
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Speaker 12: I agree with you on this, Peter. I think the
42:56
Speaker 12: experience from the United States is very instructive. When you
42:59
Speaker 12: go sometimes two towns in the US there, there's just
43:02
Speaker 12: areas that are that are that are completely wiped out.
43:05
Speaker 12: They're they're they're they're doped out quite literally with the
43:09
Speaker 12: free availability of cannabis. Of course, in those cities, it's
43:15
Speaker 12: not just for medicinal purposes. It's available for recreational use.
43:18
Speaker 12: And look, the idea was, Look, I mean, marijuana is
43:20
Speaker 12: not as bad as some other drugs, so maybe we should
43:22
Speaker 12: let consenting adults do this. But I just don't think
43:25
Speaker 12: it's something we want freely and widely available. At the
43:28
Speaker 12: same time, of course, we don't get around locking up
43:30
Speaker 12: people for using marijuana. That doesn't happen. But once you
43:35
Speaker 12: make it the law, you give it a certain sanction
43:37
Speaker 12: and you get more widespread use of it. And it's
43:40
Speaker 12: just not something I think we want, and I think
43:42
Speaker 12: it's turned many American cities to the worst. I would
43:45
Speaker 12: not like to see that here.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 12: I support in that regard that I support medicinal cannabis
43:50
Speaker 12: for medicinal uses, but the law should be implemented and
43:52
Speaker 12: it's clearly not at the moment, So welcome this crackdown.
43:55
Speaker 12: I worry if we don't get this sort of crackdown,
43:57
Speaker 12: the people who do need cannabis for for for for
44:00
Speaker 12: reasonable pain relif purposes, we'll have it taken away as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just like the really effective policing, not the vaping
44:08
Speaker 2: law was brought in by the government. Let's go to
44:10
Speaker 2: more in relation to what happened in Victoria over the weekend.
44:13
Speaker 2: The Israeli restaurant Needs None, which is in Hardware Lane,
44:18
Speaker 2: was attacked. Of course, we know on Friday night. There's
44:21
Speaker 2: a man in custody tonight because at the time of
44:25
Speaker 2: the attack he was actually on bail for threatening to
44:29
Speaker 2: kill someone at an earlier protest. Now, fortunately here, Jamie,
44:33
Speaker 2: thank god we had a sensible magistrate at the bench
44:36
Speaker 2: in this occasion because he's decided to keep this guy
44:40
Speaker 2: behind bars tonight. That doesn't often happen in Victoria, I
44:42
Speaker 2: have to say. But you got to say there's a
44:45
Speaker 2: stain on Victoria at the moment with what's happened.
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Speaker 13: There really is Peter and this gentleman who is now
44:54
Speaker 13: behind bars. When you mentioned how he threatened, allegedly threatened
44:58
Speaker 13: to kill someone at another protest, that person had just
45:01
Speaker 13: asked him to please stop having pro Palestinian chance and
45:04
Speaker 13: a loud speaker, and he also allegedly spat in someone's face.
45:08
Speaker 13: These people think that they are above the law. And
45:11
Speaker 13: even when he is out on bail and told not
45:13
Speaker 13: to go into the CBD, he goes and does it anyway.
45:16
Speaker 13: It's been reported that he lives in Housing Commission and
45:19
Speaker 13: doesn't have a job, and instead the taxpayer is funding
45:23
Speaker 13: for him to go and be at demonstrations that are
45:25
Speaker 13: violent and they're intimidating and they have no place in
45:28
Speaker 13: Australian democracy. And unfortunately, Peter, what we're seeing, especially what
45:32
Speaker 13: we saw in Victoria last week, is that anti Semitism
45:35
Speaker 13: is starting to become so normalized in Australia. We need
45:38
Speaker 13: to ensure that we're standing up and stopping it and
45:41
Speaker 13: making sure that people like this gentleman remain behind bars
45:45
Speaker 13: and really set an example that this behavior is not
45:47
Speaker 13: acceptable here in Australia and it's time to stop.
45:53
Speaker 2: Great have you on board, Jamie. Great to have you
45:55
Speaker 2: on show tonight as well. Always good to have you
45:58
Speaker 2: at Canavan. See you again soon, Rake Helm, welcome back,
46:06
Speaker 2: as he joins me every Wednesday, he's here again tonight.
46:08
Speaker 2: Kel Richards, this one's one from me. Kell I use
46:12
Speaker 2: it often, and I used it yesterday and someone said,
46:15
Speaker 2: what the heck does that mean?
46:16
Speaker 3: I said, I actually don't really know, but my.
46:18
Speaker 2: Mother used to say it, and I use it all
46:21
Speaker 2: the time. I'll say, gosh, you look like the wreck
46:24
Speaker 2: of the Hesperus.
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Speaker 15: Help me out, Okay, what it means is very disorderly
46:29
Speaker 15: or very untidy. You know, you can say, oh, this
46:30
Speaker 15: office looks like the wreck of the Hesperus when it's
46:33
Speaker 15: a mess and there are bits of paper everywhere. It
46:35
Speaker 15: comes from a poem by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow published in
46:38
Speaker 15: eighteen forty two, called the Wreck of the Hesperus. Now,
46:41
Speaker 15: the poem itself is very popular, telling a very sad
46:44
Speaker 15: story about a real shipwreck in the in the blizzard
46:47
Speaker 15: of eighteen thirty nine, and it was hugely popular in America.
46:51
Speaker 15: But over time, over about fifty years, people forgot about
46:54
Speaker 15: the sad, grim story the poem told and only remember
46:58
Speaker 15: the title. So the reck of the hespers became a
47:01
Speaker 15: leading little phrase to say what a wreck. This is
47:04
Speaker 15: first recorded in a newspaper in eighteen ninety seven, so
47:08
Speaker 15: a bit over fifty years after the poem was originally published,
47:11
Speaker 15: it had entered the colloquial language as a way of
47:14
Speaker 15: saying what a wreck.
47:18
Speaker 2: Well, I must say I use it in context. Now
47:21
Speaker 2: I know what the origins are. Thank you very much.
47:24
Speaker 2: Hey John wants to know where does the term back
47:27
Speaker 2: to square one come from?
47:29
Speaker 3: And he says, what does it mean?
47:31
Speaker 15: It means going back to the beginning, going right back
47:33
Speaker 15: to the start. There are two stories. One is a
47:36
Speaker 15: myth and the other is the truth. The myth is
47:38
Speaker 15: it goes back to nineteen twenty seven when the BBC
47:41
Speaker 15: began radio broadcast of football games and they were terrified
47:44
Speaker 15: that listeners wouldn't understand what was going on, so they
47:47
Speaker 15: published little maps of the field dividing the paddock into
47:51
Speaker 15: eight squares and used the callers used that it was
47:54
Speaker 15: a rubbish system. It never really caught on and they
47:57
Speaker 15: got rid of it after a couple of years. But
47:59
Speaker 15: people kept saying that's where it comes from. It does not,
48:02
Speaker 15: because that was nineteen twenty seven. The expression is not
48:05
Speaker 15: recorded till nineteen fifty two, and it actually comes from
48:08
Speaker 15: the children's board game Snakes and Ladders. That's where you
48:12
Speaker 15: get back to square one.
48:15
Speaker 2: Ah Tony says, my granddaughters want to know where's the
48:19
Speaker 2: whether the phrase mums the word come from.
48:22
Speaker 15: Very old back in the fifteen hundreds, to mum meant
48:25
Speaker 15: to speak with your lips closed, and to speak very unclearly.
48:29
Speaker 15: We get our word mumble from that, and actors and
48:31
Speaker 15: acrobats who performed in patomime without speaking will call mummers.
48:35
Speaker 15: So it's from that sort of source, from the fifteen
48:38
Speaker 15: hundreds that we get this idea of mum's the word
48:41
Speaker 15: keep your lips sealed.
48:44
Speaker 3: And it's not from the mums we love. There.
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Speaker 2: You go, cal teach me something every time. See you
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Speaker 2: next week.
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Speaker 3: That's it. Ferent me to negga to Georgia. Up next
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Speaker 3: for Andrew