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Expelled. Addicted. World Record Holder. | Andy Stone's ADHD Journey · Thick No More

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Hi everybody, welcome back to Thick No More.
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Today I'm joined by someone who truly redefines resilience.
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Gentlemen by the name of Andy Stone.
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From being expelled from school battling addiction to becoming a
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Guinness World Record holder for completing 70 half Ironman
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triathlons, try saying that in 75 days.
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Andy's story is nothing short of extraordinary.
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But it's not just about physical endurance.
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And he's also an ADHD peer mentor, a speaker, an advocate
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for turning struggle into strength.
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I'm so excited to dig into his journey and the lessons that we
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can all learn about resilience, focus, and more importantly,
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hope. Andy, welcome to the podcast.
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Jason, thank you for having me mate.
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I really really appreciate you you inviting me on.
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Now, you're welcome. So listen, I asked this question
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to everybody and it's the same question that I always start
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with. If you walked into a room and a
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theme tube started playing every time, what would your song be,
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my friend? Well, it's a difficult one that
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it defends which which under you get, but I would definitely say
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top of my list is Keep Your Head Up by Ben Howard.
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Wow, I don't know that song. I'm going to have to dig that
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one out, mate. OK, interesting.
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What for what particular reason? It's the lyrics.
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So for me, it's kind of been such a journey of sort of
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difficulties into kind of being able to get on with my life and
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have self kind of pride and it it really sort of resonates with
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with kind of that journey that I've been through.
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Yeah. OK.
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So that's a really good place for us to to start then I guess.
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So take us back to at time of my life, I don't like talking about
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school years talking talk. Tell me about growing up with
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ADHD, learning differences that you encountered things that you
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know you came across during those school years you thought,
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you know, am IA bit different here?
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What's kind of going on? Yeah, so sort of primary school
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years were fairly standard, really.
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I was just a very sort of boisterous boy.
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I've was always just scrapping in the playground, you know, all
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against Stoney. And I used to be able to win,
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you know, and I was very physically capable of classroom
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stuff. Was always kind of Joey average.
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But then making it to high school, so from 11-12 years old,
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and there was this link for me between ultra processed food and
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and hyperactivity and disobedience and frustration.
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And mom and dad did everything they could to shield me from it.
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But then of course, you get to high school is you get a bit of
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pocket money, you can go to the local shop, talk shop, whatever.
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And all of a sudden I'm eating all this crap at school.
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And there was just a huge link between difficulty in the
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classroom, frustration playing up, and it just started to just
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progress. And I became the class clown,
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the class joker, trying to hide behind humor to get away from
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being in trouble. It turns out it's really
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difficult to make teachers laugh.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been there mate.
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I know all about it, I really do.
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It's became increasingly difficult, constantly kicked out
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the room, said to see the head teacher, you know, stand outside
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the staff room, all of these kind of things just to Get Me
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Out of the, the, the classroom environment.
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And ultimately it just didn't work.
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And I got expelled from, from the school I was at.
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I then went to a grammar school, a private school, mum and dad, I
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think we mortgaged the house to pay the fees, Smaller classes,
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better opportunities, more potential, all of that good
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stuff. But of course it was just
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exactly the same environment. The teachers in the 90s still
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weren't clued up and they're not clued up now, particularly in my
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experience regarding neurodiversity.
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And I'd had a dyslexia and an ADHD diagnosis at this point and
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short of get just sticking on Ritalin, there was very little
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else that came beneficially came along with the diagnosis.
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I just continue to be very, very frustrated and difficult and
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rebellious the older I've got. You know, I was quite a big guy
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at 16. I was playing a lot of rugby and
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they just couldn't have me in the room.
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So expelled from the grammar, they allowed me to take my GCS
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ES. Things were getting very
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difficult at home. Mum and Dad were incredibly
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frustrated. They were doing everything they
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could for me. Mum and Dad were brilliant.
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But again, there was no, my kids got ADHD, what do I do now
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classes they could go to. And so things were just very,
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very difficult and actually ended up leaving home at the
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time of my exams. So I was very unsettled in a lot
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of areas of my life. So yeah, things were difficult,
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man. And then discovered, you know,
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661617 nightclubs, pubs, bars, alcohol, weed, speed, ecstasy,
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cocaine, magic mushrooms, all these things started to come
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into my life, which I thought was like a rite of passage
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coming of age. But I was actually discovering
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lots of substances to help me escape the difficulty I was
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going through. Yeah, that's heartbreaking me,
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honestly. I I mean, I spoke to you briefly
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before we came on in the last couple of weeks.
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They've been traumatic stories from people, but that that is
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that is that is another level. You mentioned addiction there
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and battling that. Obviously we know about the
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expulsions as well. But think thing, that thing that
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astounds me whenever I look at your profile and I see your name
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pop up, you know, you've got that thing there saying Guinness
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World Record holder. So to tell me then what was,
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what was the turning point from you entering to a dark space or
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a dark place, whatever you want to call it, and realizing, OK,
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this is this is, this is, this is the direction I'm going to go
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in. What turned that?
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What created that turning point? A good question.
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So I kind of progressed through my 20's.
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The drug stopped but the alcohol continued.
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Having ADHD I find it very very difficult to have a full time
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long term job. So I was just going from job to
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job to job to job, getting more and more and more frustrated,
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questioning more and more with no answers.
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It was, it wasn't all bad, you know, I'm not saying I was like
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an absolute sort of doom and gloom, Behold the time.
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But it was getting more frustrating.
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So by the time I was in my 30s, I got divorced and then living
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on my own and isolating and my alcohol abuse went up.
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The cocaine came back to what, my alcohol dosage.
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And so then my mum and dad sat me down, thought you need rehab.
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And that was the point that I thought, you know what, what
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have I got to lose? I'm a bloke in his 30s.
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I was living on my own. I couldn't hold a job down.
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Long term sick note from the doctor.
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I was on Citalopram, which is an SSRI, Ritalin for ADHD, Valium
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to help calm me, alcohol and cocaine.
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It's like I just had no chance of knowing what today was doing
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What? And so, yeah, I had nothing to
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lose. So when I went and it was that
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point that I, I was like, OK, I can re evaluate things here and
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did came off everything. So I'm now completely squeaky
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clean of illicit unmedicated drugs, alcohol, got a couple of
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years sobriety in me and got all my aspirations back.
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Is that right? OK, what we're going to do?
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And I've gone from like, I've got no misses, no kids, no
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house, no belongings, no nothing.
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Oh my God, where was Andy to hang on a minute?
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I've got no mortgage, no pets, no kids, no partner.
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What what am I doing 1st? And I was able to just flick the
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psychology of it and just started this whole new life with
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new aspirations, new goals. And I still had a massive box to
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tick regarding achievement, personal achievement.
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I've still have now like professional and financial.
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To be fair, I've still, you know, we live in modern society.
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So off I went and I think, well, you know, COVID was very, very
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difficult. I nearly relapsed actually
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during Cove, during lockdown, the whole kind of second
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lockdown, I was, Oh my God, I completely stagnated.
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For an ADHD to have that kind of level of stagnation is
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incredibly difficult. So we jumped up the, the, the,
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the triathlon challenge, which is half Iron Man to 70.3 miles.
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So OK, let's try and do 70 of them in 70 days.
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And it would have been a double Guinness World Record had I ever
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achieved the 70 and 70. And, and yeah, off I went.
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And it was just that being able to get that bit between my teeth
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and actually, OK, because it was a question.
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OK well instead of banging my head against the wall trying to
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do what I'm bad at and getting frustrated and not comparing to
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my peers since school and my brother and my ex-wife and my
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mates who are all having kids and mortgages and getting bogged
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down with all of that frustration.
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It's like OK stop a SEC what are you good at?
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And triathlon was one of the things sport generally and.
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You mentioned rugby earlier, didn't you?
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The sporting aspect is probably already there, you just didn't
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realize it I guess because of everything else you were
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surrounded by. Yeah, 100%.
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So this the, the illicit drugs in my teens was at the exact
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same time that rugby was going really well.
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You know, I made regional trials and there was England scouts
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having a word with me and, and it could have gone somewhere,
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but I discovered drugs and nightclub unfortunately.
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But the the point being that yes, sport was having a positive
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impact on me in my teens and and I went unfortunately went down
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the other Rd. but yeah, so it's like pulling it back.
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OK, well, I was good at sport. Let's try sport.
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And then yeah, man, given ADHD the right project and I did
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something no one else in the world has ever done before.
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How do you in your mindset then, how do you sort of mentally
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prepare for something like that? I mean, I've never done anything
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like that. And I, you know, you, you, you
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mentioned flicking a switch there, you know, is there, is
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there a part of you that thought, right, I need to do
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this first because obviously triathlons are made-up of, of
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multiple events, right? So how, how do you, how do you,
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how do you prepare for that? What did you need to go through
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to get to get yourself and your body and your mind ready like
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that? Yeah, that's, that's a good
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question as well. So we kind of broke it down
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South, right. OK, so that's the main event.
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707070 is the main event at this point.
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I struggled to run 6 miles or 10K like that's that's where I
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was at. I could get around without
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stopping, but you know, I needed time.
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So we decided on about 18 months and jeez, first thing I did was
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17 Sprint triathlons and 17 days, which is 17 miles and then
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continued. Just just.
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Oh, just yeah. I trained a few more months and
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then did 35 Olympic distance in 35 days and then trained over
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the winter and then hit the April and with the goal of doing
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707070. So I just arrived on the start
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line and gave him my best shot. But As for the mental sort of
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preparation, yeah, that's a really good question.
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So because it was playing to my strength and it was exciting
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and, and, and it did just ignite that sort of spark in me to
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really want to achieve something.
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It was perfect timing really, because I, like I said, I still
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had that box to take us like, OK, here is the opportunity.
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My partner Sally, she was on board.
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In fact, she was absolutely integral to a lot of the admin
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side. So I had a team, it was the
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other thing and I'll come on to a sort of parents in that a
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little bit late if you want me to, but point was that it was
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the right time, the right challenge and it was I allowed
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it to consume me. It was my hyper focus and it was
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incredibly positive. So yes, it was difficult and
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stressful and arduous and needed resilience and a positive
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mindset and determination and all this good stuff, but it was
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the correct thing for me and off I went.
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And so you sort of see all these celebrities that have done
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really well with neurodiversity and, and, and, and particularly
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it's like, you know, once an ADHD or neurodivergent find
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their thing, I believe that we are absolutely unstoppable.
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Now I agree you said a couple of things that that just like
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clicked from a conversation last week as well.
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You mentioned your partner there.
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I think we've ADHD as well. If you've got someone to keep
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the focus for you, it allows you to be you.
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And you mentioned, you know, your partner Sally helped you
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out, so she was probably doing with all the stuff, all the
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administration stuff, which you'd have probably had to doubt
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deal with yourself. And I reckon if you'd have got
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all that to deal with on top of the training, I probably
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question whether you would have done as well because I think ADH
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people, you just mentioned it that, you know, we hear the word
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superpower and this, that near the you're dead right.
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I, I think the drive and the focus for you was right.
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That's what I've got to do. That's the end goal.
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That's all I need to focus on. I don't need to worry about
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anything else. You've got people around me who
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are doing that for me and I make that that's on.
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But an unbelievable achievement to go from.
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You know, we're in a similar age bracket and, and you know, to,
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to go from those dark days to doing that is nothing short of,
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of miraculous. And it's all credit to you, my
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friend. Honestly, hands down, it's
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unbelievable. Thanks, mate.
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Yeah, your ADHD is, is it, is it highlighted anything else for
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you? And, you know, is it, like I
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said, we mentioned the word superpower.
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Did it, did it 'cause like struggle with, with helping you
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or did it cause a success at the Guinness World Record?
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Didn't you know what part of that you know, was it the focus
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mainly that helped from the ADHD or is there anything else that
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that came into play you think that that really drove you on?
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Yeah, I think there's definitely the the hormonal side of it,
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which is where I believe that I can't understand it to the
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primary school kids that I go and see that the superpower
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aspect of it is the hormonal side, which can be absolutely,
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absolutely detrimental when you don't understand it and get it
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right. But when you can able to
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understand it and utilize it, that's what got me to the finish
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line. And and that's, that's what I'm
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now trying to really sort of get people with ADHD or even
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neurotypicals who want to understand this.
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The disorder is just how hormonal it is.
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Like I can hold my hand up, apologize to Ladkind all over
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the world and say I was the guy that just thought, oh, women are
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hormonal once a month. And that's the about the extent
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of my knowledge of hormones a few years ago.
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Turns out I'm one of the most hormonal people I know.
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And so that either can get you really frustrated and drunk, or
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you can learn about it, utilize it, fully understand it, accept
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it and set Guinness World Records with it.
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And so it is the the ADHD was the root of that.
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And I think the stuff that I learned.
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In sorry, sort of done some research and there's some stuff
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they're talking about 6 pillars of health.
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Tell, tell me, tell, tell everyone that's listening, you
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know, just for your, for your information.
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We get, we get a lot of parents listening.
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We get a lot of young adults listening.
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And I think really it'd be really good for them to you to
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give them an insight into these six pillars and talk about some
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of the work you do in the schools.
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I think it'd be fantastic to understand a bit about that
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mate. Yeah, no problem.
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So I am very, I'm an advocate for healthy living, for
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lifestyle choices, for trying to do everything right in the world
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that is trying to sell us so much, so much refined, toxic, if
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you like, for want of a better word, things to consume.
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It's I am trying to be the guy that is just trying to make
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people aware of exactly what it is that they're consuming on so
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many levels. So for an ADHD, let's say you go
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for a diagnosis and there's a score spectrum.
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And let's say in order to get a diagnosis, you need to score 25
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with the Q&A that they will give you anything over that, then
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yes, you have the disorder. Now let's say you score 60.
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Now is that your true ADHD score?
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Or is that being, are you, are you getting a higher score due
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to your lifestyle decision making?
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So are you looking at screens for over 3 hours a day?
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Are you consuming over 20% of your diet as ultra processed
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food? Are you with the wrong people?
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Are you living your life in a nocturnal, unhealthy manner?
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So if you if the answer to those questions is yes, then the
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chances are your score will be higher and as such, let's
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reverse that. So my 6 pillars of health are
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exercise and nutrition, sleep, community, de stressing and
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circadian rhythm. And so if you can live as
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healthy as possible with those things on a daily basis, then
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potentially your ADHD score could reduce now.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where I'm coming from.
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So if the symptoms of disorder are causing you to have
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difficulties in your life. So for me it was school, it was
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academia, it was work. I've had 64 jobs in 28 years.
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So just sustaining long term employment, finances, all of
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these things that are so integral to having a
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straightforward healthy life in society.
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Now they are in my, in my personal opinion, made easier by
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healthy living. And so I was then the guy that
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tried to push that envelope as far as I possibly could.
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And so then that's where the challenge of the, of the, the
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triathlons came from. So OK, well, I've, I've learned
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all about this stuff now how do I sort of put my flag in the
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ground and say, this is what you can achieve if you get these
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things right? And that's what I was able to go
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on and do. So there is a medicated side
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which can also bring that ADHD score down.
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And there's ADHD meds are incredibly good at what they do.
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They reckon that if you have a headache and you have a
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paracetamol for the correct dosage for your body type and
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size, there's a one in 16 chance that that pill will get rid of
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your headache. For ADHD stimulant medication
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that can be as high as one in two people.
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It's incredibly good at what it does.
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But it's incredibly strong, so long term use, you're going to
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need a higher dose. What's it doing to your liver
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and kidneys and anything else? So I am promoting healthy living
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as a coping strategy to not only have the cure aspects of when
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you're going through difficult times on a day-to-day basis,
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let's try and eat healthy, let's do exercise, let's have healthy
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coping strategies, but also it's prevention.
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And so let's try not to get into those difficult places on a
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day-to-day basis in the 1st place.
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And so then for me, that's, that's kind of what I'm
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promoting. It's prevention cure through
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healthy life choices. That's amazing mate.
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Before we talk, I want to dig a bit deeper into that, but just a
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question that's kind of popped into my head.
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Obviously you're now on this positive journey.
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So how does Andy these days deal with setbacks, you know,
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mentally and physically? How do you take yourself, you
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know, old dandy, we know what old Andy would have done.
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What does What does New Andy do these days?
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Yeah, that's a really good question.
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Put your money where your mouth is.
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Yeah. So, yeah, but old Andy would
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have just drunk and got very high, very drunk and tried to
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run away from it on, stick his head in the sand and feel worse
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the next day. New Andy it.
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Like I say, I do everything I can.
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But yes, inevitably, absolutely inevitably, the hormonal ebbs
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and flows and swings are going to happen to me until the day I
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die. And so that's the nature of the
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beast. So one, it's been a case of
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knowing that. So when I do have a high psych,
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great, OK, super productive, but then inevitably the dopamine
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crash then comes after that. And when I'm in that, through
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that crash, that dip, call it what you want, it's then having
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the knowledge of, OK, well, instant gratification stuff is
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great. You might feel better initially,
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but then it's the delayed gratification stuff that no one
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wants to do. Like this is like where I found
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one's familiar with David Goggins.
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He is the master of delayed gratification, gratification.
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And so it is things like cold water, it is like eating healthy
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food, doing exercise, the stuff that you don't really want to
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do. You know, I'm selling healthy
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living. Everyone wants healthy living,
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but no one can be bothered to do it because it's delayed
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gratification. So there's there's two things
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there really. There's one is trying to have as
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better as best self knowledge and awareness as you possibly
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can on a neurological and behavioural level.
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But then there's 2 is actually doing the right things that you
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that you don't want to do, but you know that they're going to
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work going to the gym and not just going to the gym and
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sitting and looking at your phone on the pack deck.
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I mean, going to the gym and actually working hard and trying
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to then help with these bringing the happy hormones back in a
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healthy way. But then finally there's the
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kind of mindfulness side of it where it's like, OK, I feel like
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crap, this is how I'm supposed to feel right now.
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I am completely clean. I'm squeaky clean of all
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substances. I eat healthily, I do cold
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water, I do calisthenics, I do yoga, I do cardio, I do heavy
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lifting HIT sessions, I do everything I possibly can.
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But still, it's the knowledge that this is just a bad day and
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this is how I feel. And there's no need to compound
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low dopamine, low motivation, frustration.
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There's no need to compound that inevitable feeling and sensation
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with stress. There's no point piling on
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cortisol in an adrenaline because it's like, it's like
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when you get a cold, a common cold, you feel like crap or
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dopamine dip, you feel like crap.
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And when you have a cold, you don't get angry about it.
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You think, OK, I'm going to feel like crap for a couple of days
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and I'll be out the other side. That's a really good way of
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putting it. Yeah, so why?
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So the inevitability of getting another cold and the
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inevitability of having a dopamine dip, Don't compound it
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with stress and doing your own head in.
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Just accept that that's how you feel that day and really try and
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just stay in a good headspace. But you know, just feel a bit
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meh. Yeah, I guess it kind of comes
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down to understanding your body and how you mentally feel on
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that, on that given moment. I guess I spoke to someone spoke
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to someone about six months ago and their coping mechanism is
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dealing with half a day at a time.
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She used to say to me, if I could get through to lunchtime
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without feeling and she used to put her fingers in the air and
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go feeling that way, then I'm good.
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Then I've made it through the morning and then I deal with the
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afternoon. And, and what you're kind of
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saying there is similar. Really.
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It's dealing with it a day at a time, managing it and doing the
25:18
right things to make sure that you know, should it come back
25:21
and, and, and give you a nudge, you're there, you know what to
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expect and you now to cope with it.
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So when you, when you, when you're doing your mentoring them
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with with other people, what kind of what's the one thing you
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want them to know, I guess. Yeah, so I aside, I've written
25:38
an 8 part program and that's kind of what I take people
25:40
through. It's something that I've
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distilled down into eight parts. I feel it's it's really punchy
25:45
and all the information in it is exactly the information has
25:50
helped me. And so the first two sessions I
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think people take the most from and that's brain anatomy, brain
25:59
chemistry, sort of real basic one O 1 stuff.
26:03
And then session 2 is your kind of hormones, dopamine and going
26:08
through everything, going through neurotypicals, going
26:12
through a neurodivergence. What is the actual difference on
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an anatomical level? And that's, I believe what
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people really, really sort of appreciate hearing because no
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one in the UKI don't know about anywhere else in the world, but
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even with a private or NHS diagnosis, nobody takes you
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through that stuff. And so I'm having people coming
26:35
to me and, you know, blissfully, and I've got a diagnosis, I'm on
26:39
Ritalin, I'm on this strong medication for it.
26:41
And they've all gone to your head.
26:43
What is ADHD? And people can't answer that.
26:47
And they've just been told by a professional that they've got it
26:50
and said that that in a nutshell, the real nuts and
26:54
bolts of the condition in the first two sessions, I believe is
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what people really, really like to to.
26:59
Hear that's amazing mate. When I wrap this up I'm going to
27:02
get I'm going to get you to to speak out your information so
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people can get out get in touch with you because you're dead
27:08
right it's 4 letters and if you don't know what those 4 letters
27:12
mean and what it means to you personally and individually how
27:14
it affects you, then how are you going to deal with it But you
27:17
mentioned a cold you get a cold what do you do?
27:19
You get a tissue, you get some Vicks, whatever it might be,
27:22
that's how you deal with it, you know, And every, I think, I
27:26
think what it's not, it doesn't frustrate me, but I question it
27:30
sometimes that we just break it down as a word, whether it be
27:35
dyslexia, ADHD to practice or whatever it might be autism, we
27:38
just, we give it a word, we give it a label.
27:40
And that's what this podcast is about.
27:43
But we don't dig deep enough into it how it affects you
27:45
individually. It's labeled and it's
27:49
frustrating. So you you're on this podcast
27:52
now you know what it's called? It's called fit No more.
27:53
What does that mean to you personally?
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I think don't live in ignorance. I think it means just find out
28:00
about yourself, who what makes you take, what makes you take in
28:04
a good way, in a bad way, whether the frustrations come,
28:07
whether the misunderstandings, where are the gaps in yourself
28:10
knowledge. And I've had to go out and find
28:12
all that stuff out, but it's taken me from this place of drug
28:16
and alcohol riddled frustration, depression, self loathing to
28:22
nothing. There is nothing perfect, but
28:24
it's taken me. It's taken me to Guinness World
28:26
Records and and moving on with life and and being really happy
28:31
in my own skin. Amazing though.
28:34
So before we close off a final question then.
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If you've been written off, there's someone.
28:42
If there's someone listening now, which I know there will be,
28:44
if there's someone listening feels like they've been written
28:46
off, give them. Give them a bit of advice mate.
28:49
Yeah, absolutely. So you know, I was written off
28:52
at school, I was expelled from two of them.
28:54
I was written off from over 5060 jobs and I whether that be by
29:00
other people or by myself, there is 100% the help out there.
29:05
Addiction or neurodiversity. I've come through both.
29:09
And I'm here to tell you that I'm a walking talking example of
29:12
being able to thrive after having the diagnosis.
29:17
You know, it's, it's, it's all down to you.
29:20
It is 100% down to you. You can get the help.
29:23
You can find the team, the individuals, the, the podcast,
29:26
the audio books, but you've got to go out there and find them.
29:30
So it's time to stop a second, take stock, find out where the
29:36
help is and getting your ass off the sofa, out of bed, wherever
29:40
it is and just going and doing it.
29:43
Put in the hard yard and some days a hard man.
29:47
But you're never too old. There's a guy in his 70s, a
29:50
British guy has just set the world record for single handedly
29:55
rowing across the Atlantic. There's a bloke in his 70s in a
29:59
boat on his own for months on end and he did 3300 miles of
30:02
rowing. So that yes, it's sporting or
30:06
find your thing. It could be arts, it could be
30:09
music, it could be languages, it could be dance, it could be
30:12
whatever. It is tapping into it.
30:14
It's tapping. Into it, yeah, and.
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Do what you are good at, whatever that thing is, and just
30:21
go and run with it because you never know what it's going to
30:24
take in our case. I, I think it's really important
30:27
that we, if someone wants to get in touch, you mate, I want to
30:30
send people and I've said this to everyone that's been on a
30:32
podcast. I want to send people straight
30:34
to you. Thank you mate for the.
30:36
Privacy thing. How can they get in touch?
30:39
You mate. So Instagram.
30:41
ADHD mentor Andy, I have a website, andy-stone.com.
30:47
I'm also on LinkedIn. So you have a rummage for me
30:50
through through, through the Andy Stone list.
30:53
But yeah, please, please get in touch.
30:56
I'm here. First session is first
30:57
consultation is always free of charge.
31:00
So just come and have a chat and yeah, I'd love to be able to
31:03
help under you are. Without doubt a legend my
31:07
friend, and I cannot thank you for giving me 30 minutes of your
31:11
time to come on here. I really recommend.
31:14
Anybody has a chat with you? What you've done personally,
31:19
mentally and physically is is nothing short of incredible,
31:22
mate. I wish you all the best of luck.
31:24
And yeah, if anybody wants to get in touch with Andy, please
31:28
do. But thanks so much for coming on
31:30
talking today, Andy. It's been amazing.
31:32
Oh, Jason, thank you, mate. Thank.
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You so much for the invite and lovely to to chat.
31:37
Thanks. Thanks a lot.