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Marta García Aller: "La historia es como una barra de sushi en la que los políticos que parecían desaparecer vuelven" · Autoras de palabra con Rosa

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Who has not dreamed of making a journey in time, one that takes us
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back to other centuries to witness war deeds, social changes, the birth of
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many inventions, a journey in time, in the past time. Yes,
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I think we' ve all wanted to do it once, but in this
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case, however unlikely the journey may be, it places us in the two
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thousand and seventeen. From now on, barely seven years ago, years of
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dog Marta garcía read in word authors with welcome pink. Thank you very much,
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Rosa, because thanks to you I open this interview, with those seven
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years, which seems to be nothing for those who, perhaps we have experienced
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some personal experience. We say, yes, that time has passed, but
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I do not know if we are aware of all the changes that have occurred
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during those seven years. Look, we' re not even aware of what
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we' re talking about day by day and our training is our job.
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We' re not conscious. And I' ve noticed and notice that I
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write about the present, I write about the present in a rigorous time and
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I write about putting the chronicles one after another, well, from the end
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of the year, sixteen out of seven years to here and suddenly, you
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start to see everything that' s happened, how we' ve changed.
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And I' ve come to realize it gives you more vertigo than the future.
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At vertigo it is at the speed at which everything is changing and at
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the speed at which artificial intelligence, technology and so on puts us in front
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of the mirror of time. But looking back, that does leave vertigo.
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What the world was like before Trump, how the world was before the myth,
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before the pandemic and the Prussian and so many things that seven years ago
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seemed like they were going to go through other lanes and all of a sudden,
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we put them all together and you say my mother. All this also
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happened who that mother of mine. The human being adapts, we adapt h
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h o and that is the good news. I think we need to see
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behind this. What happens is that he has a trap that adapts. It
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is to adapt, it has the trap of normalizing certain things that we may
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not like and therefore we have the opportunity to change them. In adapting,
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I think we should not confuse it. With conformism, the good one.
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This has happened and we tend to see as inevitable what previously seemed unlikely to
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us and that relive in real time through these chronicles, the dog years,
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in which everything happens so fast that everyone is worth by seven suddenly seeing how
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good everything could have been otherwise, that is, that this blog is about
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to arrive in the future. We can always change it if we adapt,
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it won' t analyze. That is and I think there are many,
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many issues that have happened that we run the risk of analysing. The technology
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of the mentioned received in artificial intelligence is one of the things that to me,
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is one of my neuras, that fascinates me, I love and terrifies
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me equally and throughout the entire book of those seven years collected begin to see
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how we are normalizing it. The dog years begin, when the word of
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the year of two thousand sixteen is, then, true. We were beginning
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to talk about the truth post. We were beginning to talk about fake news
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when Trump won those elections against all odds in front of Hillary Clinton in the
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fall of the sixteenth year. And all of a sudden, it' s
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not like we don' t know what they are anymore, that everyone knows
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what the truth is and the fake news and so on. We just don
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' t know whether or not something' s human anymore. It is that
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we end up with two thousand twenty- three having GPT chat and deep fakes
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and artificial intelligence, not only in text, but also in audio and envy,
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turning the concept of truth upside down. And sometimes I think it'
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s important and I' ve tried it modestly in dog years, not just
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being stuck to the political currents of the dimsy DS, of the politicians on
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duty, because they come and go. Just take a walk for years of
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dog, a trip in the present time to see how many leaders who looked
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like they were going to revolutionize everything suddenly sound like wet paper. Yeah,
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but there are background changes that don' t go away, which aren'
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t one- day names that are changing everything. Feminism is clearly one of
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those great movements that is changing everything. There is another background movement, which
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is the rise of the extreme right, which also and that of the populisms
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that began seven years ago, and technology is another of them. So,
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well, in dog years they' re day to day at the last hour
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to be able to digest it. But also those tectonic plates that are changing
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the world and that have come to make very profound changes. You speak or
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warn at the beginning of articles that they are wrong and turn out to be
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the most enlightening, so you just said precisely clearly. Well, there are
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some, for example, when per Rivera was the big favorite of all the
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polls, he will be the favorite to be the next President of the government
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and Mariano Rajoy and Observe will happen. How this has aged and those years,
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seventeen and up to eighteen, until that motion of surprise censure in thirty
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- one of May of the eighteenth, which we all remember for the bag
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of Soraya San de Santa María, the people, the vice president of the
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government yes and who was then in turn favorite to be the president of the
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People' s Party. How different Spain would be if Sorayas Ante Santa María
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had won that Popular Party Congress. There are many that would have happened yes,
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in dog years and helps us put it in perspective, because you say
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clearly this happened, but something else could have happened and everything would have changed
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at that time and they thought about alber rivera Pablo Iglesias. There is also
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a time when it seems inevitable and journalistic chronicles point to the fact that the
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Socialist Party, which is crumbling after Rualcava and with Pedro Sánchez expelled from its
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own party on board the pelló touring all the groups of the Socialist Party,
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looking for a support to the desperate with its healthy and incontestable favorite day to
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be the new leader of the Socialist Party, which neither was and Pablo Iglesias.
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Well, instead of being the leader of the left, he' s
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now a gentleman with a podcast and a bar in Lavapis. So check it
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out, Lor. Here' s what happens. That' s why I
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tell you years of dogs, a journey in time, because you read it
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and say, my mother. This happened, too? This also happened not
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to mention the most failed forecast, most tragic of all, which is that
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spark plug virus that we thought was not going with us. Yeah, that
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happened and came, too? That happened, too? And that also came
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in or one of my favorites to surprise readers that I think many of us
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don' t remember this until you read it and say," Mother"
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This also happened when the President of the Community of Madrid had to resign because
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there were some videos with creams in Cristina' s bag, cyfuentes after the
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master' s scandal, that scale of the master' s so poorly managed,
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and those chronicles help to think Mother, everything could have been otherwise.
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Yes, everything could have been different, because it also sounded like Mariano Tajo
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' s successor. There were some internal power struggles and, well, there
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are several future leaders of the People' s Party who never were during the
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chronicles of curious dog years that many of what you just told were about but
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something always happens. They have a bright future behind them. Yeah. Yeah?
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Yeah? Yes, and we also have the impression, or we have
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the impression that we are always living in a continuous present that does not,
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despite all those changes do not pass into the past. It is also a
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bit the idea of being here in that constant present constantly, because I think
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we consume and notice the verb I use to consume, which is not especially
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beautiful or non- reflective. Of course, we consume last hours, last
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hours above our assimilation capabilities. Yeah, there' s a bit of last
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- hour informative bullying that' s happening to each other without us finishing it
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up, and that used to say that today' s paper is the wrapper
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for tomorrow' s fish. Now, since all the news that comes to
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us is digital, we can hardly wrap the fish with them anymore. But
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I just think the exact opposite is happening. At a time when we are
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saturated with last hours of informational stimulus notifications that do not allow us to deepen
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the context, that is, to review the things that happened and that we
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did not have time then to assimilate that it is a little bit the proposal
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of years of dog- watching. These past seven years have passed so fast
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you haven' t heard about it, stand up for a while. We
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are going to go out of space and, besides, playing what would have
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happened if something else had happened that could have been perfectly possible. And that
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' s why it' s the time travel, the game with the reader
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in the dog years, which is to go, jumping from date to date,
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like those books from when we were little, choose your own adventure.
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Yes, well, when you read the chronicle in which Alves Rivera appears the
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favorite and citizens, it is a booming party and comes to renew all politics
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and bipartisanism is in decline. Well, there' s a little flame that
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puts travels to the date when it' s the election where in two thousand
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nineteen Albert Rivera end up resigning. Or when Alberto Núñez, fixed to speak
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of a more recent date, seems the favorite to win the 23rd J.
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Well, travel to the twenty- four J. Moreover, he discovers that
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the one who said they would never approve Amnesty because he has no problem trading
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with it his own investiture. Then things are happening that seemed unlikely to us,
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but that in the end, in such haste, we ended up conceiving
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as inevitable. And I think he' s got a lot to see,
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given a lot of time perception, how our perception of time is changing,
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and you have a dog. The truth is that we ask ourselves very clearly
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dogs in the end, as they live less years, we have made to
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equivalence of each one worth by seven. Yeah, even if it' s
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not true, when a dog is one year old it' s equivalent to
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seven human years we said no. That' s not the same thing.
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He' s not thirty when he' s four. No, but the
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perception of time, I think, is changing us at the present time,
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has a lot to do with technology. Totally if we perceive that time passes
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faster, it may have a lot to do with what we were talking about
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with the amount of stimuli we received. Being attentive to many things at the
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same time makes time fly away. When we focus our attention on one is
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when we are more aware of what is going on. But on days like
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these, when we have the attention paid to one thing, we rarely have
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it. But notice that in this digitization in which, for example, we
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read the press and I think it doesn' t matter what medium you choose,
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the period you choose, because the headlines are practically the same or vary.
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But the news is always the same. And maybe that. You didn
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' t have it on paper before, as you don' t have it
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on the radio either. What we had before with the paper was the attention
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fixed on a support object, on a support, an object that also,
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because someone could interrupt you around, but then you could continue in that reading.
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And now, in reality, all the ones to choose one medium or
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another. It' s just that in reality people just choose one medium or
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another. They get the news, you' re not going to get it
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anymore, they' re coming to you. It' s a totally different
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way for us to report. And besides, not only does information arrive,
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disinformation arrives completely and in a number of contents we' re going to call
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them, so sometimes what they generate is more confusion. That' s why
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in dog years it' s the vindication of context to say look, there
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' s a selection of things that have happened that help you put it in
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context. This was happening at the same time that there was a pandemic about
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to arrive the pluss that do not notice the things that have happened in Spain
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seven years ago still the Prussian sounded joke, yes and fear. Where we
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are, who was going to tell us that we had there, so,
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demon being able to come back after how he left. History is not linear.
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There are some I say that it' s like the sushi bar in
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which there are characters that disappear and come back again and well look. There
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we have Trump in part and about to return, because de Monts is spinning
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and another series of leaders who never finish ie ever and some names that seem
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to us, because that paper is very wet. Very wet. You have
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said a number of things, for example, feminism. Seven years ago we
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also did not think that progress would be made as much as progress has been
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made. Much more progress needs to be made, but progress has been made.
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For example, the blonde theme is, it also appeared in your book.
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It could have been an anecdotal thing ten years ago. However, you
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start pulling that thread and many more come out. I don' t know
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movie directors who were so far elitist, they were at the top and it
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turns out that they have their heel of aquiles and they dare to tell it
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and denounce it. Seven years ago, Jardy Weinstein was a renowned producer of
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origin of the most powerful Hollywood. Seven years ago, Donald Trump won an
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election saying that if you are a powerful and rich man, you can grab
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the women in the crotch and nothing happens. And he proved that nothing happened.
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Moreover, he has now lost a trial in which he has lost several,
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but one of them is declared a sex offender who has approved a sexual
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assault and is the favorite to win the United States selections. In other words,
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it has been clear that it was the myth that surely would not have
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happened without the shock that the life of a man as spiritedly macho as Trump,
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who spoke in macho terms of his own daughter, came about. Of
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course that removed many consciences and was already enough for women in much of the
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world who dared to say high things that with which we had been transiging and
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that had normalized for years to say, but they are rather centuries. This
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has changed, but there has also been a rebound effect and both phenomena coexist
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with the advancement of feminism with the advance of antifeminism. I think it is
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very important that in progress towards equality they also combine with a lot of pedagogy
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so that everyone understands, because it seems that there is a part of society
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that still has a hard time that gaining progress in rights and freedoms does not
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take away justice from anyone. On the contrary, it brings it back to
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us all and to all where it has not been, but understood as confrontation
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it feeds the rebound effect of anti- feminist forces that are now, unfortunately,
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in my opinion, with more force than ever before. Unfortunately, the
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monarchy has also changed a lot in these seven years. Well, King Juan
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Carlos is another of those characters from the sushi bar that appears and disappears and
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a few years ago ten has been turned ten since Philip is the son of
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Juan Carlos I, he is the king of Spain. But much less time
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ago Juan Carlos I stopped being exemplary in the eyes of the citizenry and the
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tax agency. It was the year, the summer of the twentieth, when
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the verb that we use went into exile, but he decided to leave Spain
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and also change his fiscal residence, in case immunity did not help him to
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ensure that he had no more problem with justice. You have had problems with
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another justice, but at first, it does more when the book begins,
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it is still controversial and it is nice to put it in context that King
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Juan Carlos is not invited in two thousand eighteen, on the forty anniversary of
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the Constitution, and is King Philip. It is this that good and with
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the government of then those who believe that it is not the most convenient and
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little by little, as time progresses, we understand certain decisions, just as
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we understand the decision of King Philip is this to get rid of his father
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' s inheritance when we are in full confinement that of course, all this
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is buried. That is why it is so important to say again ah this
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happened here and as we have, the reader knows more than the chronicles that
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are written, because he has a perspective of time that when they have been
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written in real time, we did not have. And then there is another
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controversy that accompanies the monarchy, well, in this case, King Emeritus a
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time that is why they don' t let Emeritus go back And the approach
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that I do in dog years, well it' s not possible for him
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to go back to King Juan Carlos to where he wants to go, because
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he wants to return to a Spain that no longer exists exactly, to Spain
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that looked on the other side of certain disorders to the press that didn'
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t confront him with its contradictions And it' s Spain, fortunately, there
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isn' t even the monarchy that looked on the other side, because the
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exercise of transparency that King Felipe has done is important. And another phenomenon that
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I think is very important, which explains how the monarchy has been modernized in
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Spain. She' s the queen leticia. It is the queen leticia that
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years ago is a certain part of the press of public opinion, tried to
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portray it as a problem for the monarchy and has proven to be its most
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powerful catalyst for modernization, that Spanish public opinion has no problem if it was
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divorced twenty years ago, when they were married, because everyone understands that they
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marry out of love. The fact is that the controversy itself in Spain twenty
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years ago. Now it' s a chronicle. The anachronistic was the monarchy
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conceived, as was then made clear. Then I believe that the time spent
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is also doing justice little by little, with what Queen Leticia has assumed as
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an element of modernization of the monarchy and, of course, now also Princess
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Leonor. All this with the contrast of that of the fall, in disgrace,
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of the image of King Juan Carlos, who was untouchable for a long
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time and then, therefore, has been exposed to public opinion in a way,
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well, that has confronted him. I mean, with their contradictions.
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The mud of Spanish politics is very much removed, or never enough. The
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truth is, if we want people to read news, we should, we
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should try to clean up the mud. I say that we do not have
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to expose the miseries that the press was for. No more important function.
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The fourth power I expended to put those. Those good malpractices politicians can have.
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But I think sometimes, in the constant search for conflict to make the
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stories more attractive, we sometimes forget to tell the substantive. We talk a
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lot about politics and little about policies of what is being done to improve the
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lives of citizens. And I think that in Spain there are many more consensuses
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between the big parties, between the PP and the PESOE, than the parties
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themselves try to seem. Seeing how the rest of Europe is, with the
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far- rights, gaining incredible power, with many anti- system parties,
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gaining more and more power in Europe' s big economies. Spain is the
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only big economy in Europe in which bipartisanism is still powerful, which is another
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of those circular journeys of Spain from the dog years of these last seven years
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begin to seem like bipartisanism and right now good. The last European elections,
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two out of three Spanish voters voted for bipartisanship. That is to say,
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there are great consensuses and Europeanism is clearly one of them that we share.
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The Spaniards with center left, center and center right. In other words,
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there are many more consensuses in Spanish society on issues such as abortion, autanasia,
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egalitarian marriage. Many questions that in other countries, in France and Italy,
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without going further, divide society in Spain have an overwhelming consensus, that
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is, that we stop portraying Spanish society as with a polarization that has a
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lot of theatricality and that can be the prophecy that fulfills itself. Therefore,
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to underline the differences, because I believe that the consensus is still there.
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The far right. The far right, if there were other leaders, as
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in other countries, would succeed in Spain or come closer to victory. Well,
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I think that in Spain we are fortunate to have far- right leaders
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who are much less bold than they are in neighbouring countries, because there is
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a reactionary, very clear and anti- system wave that has radically turned in
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Europe over the last five years. If it is the Greens, the favorite
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party of young people, and if it is the messages of climate change,
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the ones that mobilized most of the public opinion, Greens and liberals, who
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were very aligned, now it is the ones that are the most backward and
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it is the young, precisely the youngest, who interpret themselves behind the rise
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of the extreme right. And you have to wonder why. Why, why
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is it so much anti- system vote, because the system is clearly disappointing
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young people and politics and institutions are failing to seduce them. Then I don
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' t just think demonizing we' re not moving forward. I think we
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must also ask ourselves what has been done wrong in these years. And I
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think that' s good. There are a number of phenomena, those tectonic
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plates that said they' re moving, that have to do with uncertainty.
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It has happened in other moments of history, when the greater the presentation of
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vertigo, the more future have those who sell hair grower and recipes with seemingly
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simple ones that will fix your life, that it is proven that they do
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not work, but that in moments of despair sound more attractive. Then you
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have to work on how to make more attractive, another series of recipes that
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are more complex, but that work. The equator social changes, political change,
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changes, but we have changed, we have enriched values. I don
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' t think you think it would depend. I believe what values we are
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talking about, because the value of equality I think is right now, for
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example, at a very central level. I believe that there has been a
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lot of progress in LGBT rights. There' s never been so much,
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you' ve never had so many rights to love each other who you love.
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And that in Europe as well as there is anti- feminism, there
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is also an anti- LGTB movement that is reacting, that the singers of
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journalism, the values of the news a little bit. No. I think
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young people are kind of discouraged. He loves it. Yeah, that'
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s right. It is true that what is in retreat is the hope and
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illusion that the future will bring us something better. Sociologists have a very revealing
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way of measuring uncertainty, because clear in surveys how do you ask people from
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one to ten how much uncertainty do you feel? It is not easy to
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compare and in the present era, which I believe is behind the rise of
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populisms, there is certainly much more uncertainty than had been the case in previous
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decades. The 1990s, for example, were the paradigm of optimism. And
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I don' t think that in the' 90s, necessarily if they lived
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better, also a crisis. There were far fewer acquired rights than we have
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now. Yes, but the feeling when people were asked is that their children
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will live better than you, which is the metric to measure uncertainty. People
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were convinced we were going to get better. I mean, I mean,
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you' re okay, because you can be fatal, but the outlook for
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the future is good. And now one of the things that happens to us
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is that the outlook for the future is bad. It' s not that
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we have few, we' re bad. It necessarily depends on who you
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ask, but there is a generalization of the feeling that we are going to
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get worse then, until the hope is recovered that we can change things and
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do the best. That reactionary force will certainly gain ground, because people perceive
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it to be worse. Immigration is another of the big issues that the duck
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is paying for, and it' s believing that if things don' t
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go better, it' s because of the weaker people, those who are
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even more unprotected and burden the inks against those who have the least and who
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are expected to die. So, unfortunately, it is a recipe that is
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getting adherents in much of Europe. And if there are no public services for
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everyone, I think it is not the fault of those who have the least,
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it is what will have to be invested more in them. I think
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this is something that I have happened relatively recently, not that of two thousand
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seventeen here, for example, the President of the Government, who can retire
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for a few days because he is deeply in love, possibly within a relative
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time. Let' s also have to remember this. Well, there are
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others, there' s a record in dog years, but there' s
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a relatively recent one. The last page. I' m going to spoil
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the listeners and hope I leave it to your freedom in the middle of spoiler.
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Looks like he' s finishing the book and suddenly there' s a
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pen last page that puts last hour, last hour. And the last hour
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takes us on April 29, two thousand twenty- four, which is a
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date we should remember. Speaking of the theatricalization of politics and which is the
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day I went years of dog to thirty, everything had to be stopped well,
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I should have gone. It was Monday, April twenty- first,
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I remember it perfectly and Friday with stop, that is, no, no,
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no, no, no, no. A moment to be done here
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because, if the President of the Government issued, of course, the introduction,
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the concept of reflection, the idea that Pedro Sánchez begins in the peyo
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and look at it are still in Moncloa, because if they do not continue
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in Monclois, the book will come out. I was already alone. It
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can' t be, but I thought it couldn' t be. True
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this because I had written in the introduction. The introduction. In addition,
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I remember I put the end point on March thirty- one, just around
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the turn of Easter, and I joked in the introduction saying when I published
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because years of dogs, my fifth book. For in the above, which
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are the end of the world, as we know it, and the unpredictable,
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which are two essays on the future and technology, the social changes that
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are bringing us, it helps you a lot to put also in context where
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Samus clear when I brought the end of the world, as we know it?
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It was September two thousand and seventeen September of two thousand and seventeen that
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is when the Pruses begins to fade. That' s when Spain went crazy.
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I remember working. Then at the independant. They sent me to cover
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the one or Girona, to the most independent city, thinking that I would
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go to a weekend and come back and finish having to go to a clothing
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store to buy a change, because I had gone for two days and stayed
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a month and a half because it seemed like I was about to start the
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revolution. All the time and I called the paper and said no, stay
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a little longer. Stay a little longer. I was. All of a
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sudden, we didn' t know what was going to happen and we were
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responsible for everyone, wanting to be gemingüiy thinking that Spain, well let alone
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that the next book, which was the unpredictable, fell apart. I have
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the date marked very clearly on my head, because his date of departure was
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March two thousand twenty. Of course we know it happened on the 14th of
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March of two thousand and twenty. Then I, when I took out that
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book, suddenly we confined everything and confined itself to the book itself, and
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I joked in the introduction of dog years, saying clearly it took me a
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few years to rewrite another book, because I' m afraid what can happen
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this spring. And all of a sudden Sanchez says that five days of reflection
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and maybe quit was my mother' s. I mean, it can'
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t be and in the end this spoiler is the last hour. So I
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don' t do it to the readers, because they know it as well
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as I do What happened was nothing happened, nothing happened, nothing happened,
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but everything happened at once. The feeling that we live in the constant wire,
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that everything can change at any time, in reality is the thread that
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accompanies all the years of dog, these seven years that actually, each one
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is worth seven, because everything can change, all the time and in the
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end there are things that seem to change so that everything stays the same,
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but that in reality, because the world is so different from what it was
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like in two thousand, seventeen and more changes now already in June, because
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you let write this date, set this date, because it seems to me
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that it is when everything starts to change. The book starts right when Mariano
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Rajo is here and look. It' s just that Mariano Rajoy seems to
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be playing domino smoking a cigar. I can imagine him reading the brand with
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Spain running three hundred and peak days, running in the government that we never
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ended up having government and we joked with Mariano with all his calm, saying
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well, you will already give in and give in. It was the Sanchez
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where Sanchez' s epic begins. He' s not no, but it
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was the time when everything seems to be standing, that nothing happens. And
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that' s when everything starts to change. And that' s why the
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book is divided into three very clear parts. One is when everything changes and
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begins to change and suddenly, then, the nitu begins the herd that in
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Spain has an impact on the policies of incredible feminism and the pluss that also
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begins with Rajoy in Moncloa. He thinks it' s okay. Moncloa said
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that I would not have referred to myself and see if there was any Piolín
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and all those things that you should now remember to put in context that are
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back to being current. Then it seemed that nothing changed with a person like
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Mariano Rajó and in Moncloa, but everything was changing deeply and the process was
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a very clear example and suddenly it was changing everything and everything by the time
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the pandemic came. After the excitement of censorship, it accelerates. But there
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was a government of Sánchez, the Bonito government, which they called very technocrat,
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less ideological with the Sánchez that said that Jamán could not sleep if he
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agreed with churches and promised to bring pus de mon back to be tried later
30:44
and suddenly everything for with the pandemic, which is the second part of the
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whole. For the world it freezes hundreds of millions of people confined in their
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homes, something we didn' t think we could have seen everything for them
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and suddenly it seems interesting to relive that, although I know it' s
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hard to revive the pandemic, but it' s an interesting journey. This
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is to see how we saw it, how we were changing and the changes
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we thought if they arrived forever would not come. That yes, which is
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the highest point of uncertainty. When we didn' t know how to stay
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or when we could go down to buy bread? We didn' t even
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know when we could take a walk with the kids. There were so many
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things that we didn' t know, that we don' t realize that
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out of a lot of uncertainty, we have certainties that we maintain. But
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with the pandemic it was total uncertainty and suddenly when the pandemic ends. It
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does not end when the WHO says that it ends, that this came after
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the pandemic ends when we stop paying attention to it, when suddenly something else
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happens that we thought we would never see, and that putin orders to invade
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Ukraine, another of those things that we found unlikely, that up to twenty
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- four hours earlier, the information suggested that this could happen in Europe,
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a war in Europe. We' re crazy, because this happened, too.
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And as soon as putting invades Ukraine, the pandemic takes a back seat,
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because we have that war at the gates of Europe, with an energy
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crisis and an inflationary crisis that is also behind it. Without it we could
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not explain the rise of populisms, because what I tell you one news is
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covering another. It' s a very interesting memory exercise. Years of dog.
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Thank you very much. I had a good time. I have to
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say that I have had a good and bad time collecting it, but it
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has helped me a lot now that those of us who are engaged in analyzing
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the current situation and sometimes that' s why we' re even at the
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end of the day. I understand that my job is not only to write
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newspapers, it is also to read them and digest them and then to give
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them a little feeling to the one who doesn' t have time, because
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he has a real job he doesn' t have like our other job and
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the rest is true and what has helped me to do this hemeroteca job and
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I have had a great time, is that I have laughed a lot by
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reviewing some of the things, the contradictions that were going on, that you
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said my mother, that is, the same total blonde person is, that
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you said Rubia the blondes is along with everything dog, sometimes as a hero,
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when he himself self- authorized as a defender of women' s rights,
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for having taken in the Euro Cup, the European Cup, to the
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Super Cup Saudi Arabia and presumes in a way that it turns out very horny,
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let' s say it and quite hypocritical, to have helped or contributed
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to the rights of women in Saudi Atavia, for having made football stadiums that
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have a women' s costume and allow them to enter the women. When
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the cameras of Western countries are rolling, at the same time there are the
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Saudi feminist activists who are there and they play their ass off. They'
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ve been played in jail simply for trying to defend the right of women to
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drive in Saudi Arabia So, how can you be claiming that, because there
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are a few women with their heads covered, while the cameras are doing propaganda
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and whitewashing Vincelman' s regime, you' re helping which women, if
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there are others, who can' t go to see her end of the
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Supercup because they' re in jail for asking for women' s rights,
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because all those hypocasies of the moment. Then they get to their peak with
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the little one at the end seems to me to find out what' s
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happened. He hasn' t done anything wrong. He still doesn' t
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understand what happened. Even later, even after resigning, he continues to understand
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that it is the outside world that owes him an apology. And that'
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s what blondes are all about. In fact, it is a good thermometer
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of how society, well apart from society, has not digested these changes,
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that the dog years advance very fast, but we do not digest them as
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quickly as they progress, because it is as if there were no, nothing
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had been known about what has happened in the last seven years, as feminism
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has stayed to live in the twentieth century and this caught him very big.
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Sure, well, he' s either very smart and pretends to be the
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one I haven' t heard from. But, well, that' s
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another topic. I don' t know, I don' t know if
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he' s smart or not, but he' s too morose. That
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' s right, so much more, so thank you very much. Kill
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for years of dog you' ve done what you say a very interesting exercise
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more that part than a. I mean, if you want to go on,
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keep going around, yeah, so it' s like I tell you,
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you remember the news, but at the same time you want to know
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what' s next, what happened next with that thread and Union that you
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' re doing conductive at the end. It is a journey in time,
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a journey already in the present time, continuous and it is also a journey
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in our own contradictions that does not hurt us at a time when we tend
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to always inform ourselves in bubbles that give us reason to suddenly stand in front
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of things that may have been otherwise. I had a great time. I
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hope that the readers too and that they will accompany me on this journey.
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The book can be read in leaps and I think that is quite similar to
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how our memory works, which is not linear, which is sometimes also a
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game of mirrors. Yes, and he hears that in the end it is
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playing to understand us a little better and to refresh, well, thank you
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very much. A pink pleasure to do this was domando tota