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Episode #267 Marker Training & Timing: The Secret to Effective Reinforcement · The Puppy Training Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: Are you struggling to get your puppy to understand what you want?
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  SPEAKER_00: In today's episode, we break down marker training and timing.
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  SPEAKER_00: These are keys to clear communication and faster learning.
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  SPEAKER_00: So discover how a simple yes or a click can change your training and help your puppy succeed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Puppy Training Podcast, the show designed to help you raise a confident, well-behaved puppy using positive practical training methods.
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  SPEAKER_00: Each week we'll explore real-life training strategies, break down common puppy challenges, and give you clear, step-by-step guidance you can start using right away.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whether you're dealing with potty training, biting, jumping, or just want to build a stronger bond with your pupp as their handler, you're in the right place.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to the puppy training podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm Amy Jensen.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today we are digging into one of the most powerful and often misunderstood tools in dog training, marker training and timing.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you've ever felt like your puppy just isn't getting it or you're repeating cues over and over and getting mixed results, today's episode is going to change how you train because the truth is, small improvements in timing can lead to huge improvements in your puppy's learning.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, what exactly is marker training?
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  SPEAKER_00: At its core, marker training is all about communication.
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  SPEAKER_00: It uses a consistent signal, like a clicker, or I like to use a word yes to tell my puppy the exact moment they've done something right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Think of it like taking a mental photograph.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your puppy offers a behavior, maybe they sit and they look at you or they stop chewing your shoe, and the marker is going to capture that exact instant.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like the hot cold game, if you will.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then a reward follows.
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  SPEAKER_00: Without a marker, your puppy's left guessing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did they get the food reward because they sat?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it because they looked at you?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it because they wagged their tail?
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  SPEAKER_00: Dogs are constantly learning, but without clarity, they might learn the wrong lesson.
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  SPEAKER_00: That marker is going to eliminate the confusion.
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  SPEAKER_00: It bridges the gap between behavior and reward, especially when there's even a slight delay in delivering the food reward.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, here's an important concept.
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  SPEAKER_00: The marker is not the reward.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's going to predict the reward.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, over your time, your puppy's going to learn that the marker always means that right there, do that again.
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  SPEAKER_00: I liked that behavior.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is where marker training becomes really powerful.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're no longer just rewarding your dog, you're actually shaping behavior, but you're doing it with precision.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now let's talk about timing because this is where most people struggle.
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  SPEAKER_00: In marker training, timing is everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your marker must happen the exact moment the desired behavior occurs, not before and not after.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I want you to take a tennis ball or a ball in your hand and I want you to toss it up into the air.
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  SPEAKER_00: The second that that ball um hits your hand again, the second that you catch it and it touches your hand, I want you to mark yes and say it out loud.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: So toss a ball up in the air, catch the ball.
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  SPEAKER_00: The second you catch that ball, you feel that ball hit your skin, I want you to mark yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's how precise we need this timing to be.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for example, with your puppy, if I'm teaching my dog to sit, they're going to lower their body.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the second that their little bottom touches the ground, that's the moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's when you say yes or you click.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whichever one you want to use, you got to choose one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, if you mark too early, say that they're halfway down, you might actually reinforce bending their legs, but not sitting.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you mark too late, like when they've already stood back up, you could accidentally reward standing or jumping.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, dogs live in the moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: They don't replay events in their heads the way we do.
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  SPEAKER_00: So your timing determines what they believe earned the reward.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, the good news is they learn in patterns and through repetitions.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you mess up once or twice, it's not a big deal.
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  SPEAKER_00: But we want to consistently really work on our timing to be very precise so that our dog is understanding exactly what we're wanting them to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here's another everyday example.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's say your puppy stops barking for a split second.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you mark the silence immediately, you're reinforcing that calm behavior.
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  SPEAKER_00: But if you hesitate and mark after they start barking again, you're actually reinforcing the barking.
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  SPEAKER_00: So again, timing is really important.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, here's a helpful mindset.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mark what you want when it happens.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, don't worry if you're not perfect right away.
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  SPEAKER_00: Timing is a skill.
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  SPEAKER_00: And like anything else, it gets better with practice.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about words.
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  SPEAKER_00: What's a good marker word?
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  SPEAKER_00: If you're not going to use a clicker, which you absolutely can, if you want to carry around a little quicker, great.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't personally love that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I like to use a verbal marker and I like to use the word yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I make it sound distinct.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's a little higher pitched than my normal yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: You could also use a word like good, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: You could even use a tongue click, something like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's totally fine.
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  SPEAKER_00: The key is choose one that works for you and be very consistent about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So first pick that marker word.
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  SPEAKER_00: Don't rotate between yes, good job, nice.
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  SPEAKER_00: Pick one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your puppy needs one clear signal that always means the same thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And to them, that's going to predict a food reward.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the beginning, that reward that comes after that clicker or that marker word is going to be what they're anticipating.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so it's really important that we mark and we reward.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's hard to say fast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mark, reward, mark, reward.
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  SPEAKER_00: We want to do that immediately after.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the reward comes immediately after, especially in the beginning of training.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, over time, once our puppy understands what this marker word is, it's okay if we wait a few seconds to grab that food reward.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're going to know it's coming.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we want to keep it short and crisp.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, works well because it's one syllable, it's quick, it's distinct.
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  SPEAKER_00: Long phrases tend to dilute the precision.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I just like a nice short word.
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  SPEAKER_00: Third, and this is really important, always follow that marker with a reward.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, every time, especially when they're a puppy, as they get older, it's going to change a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you say yes and don't reward, that word starts to lose its meaning.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the beginning, we want that to be a really strong word.
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  SPEAKER_00: We don't want our puppy to stop trusting the marker.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, a great way to start is with a simple exercise called loading the marker because they have no idea what yes means.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we want them to understand that yes means food reward.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So here's what it looks like.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're going to say yes and then immediately give your puppy a food reward.
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  SPEAKER_00: I want you to do that 10 to 15 times.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're not asking for any behavior yet.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're just building the association that marker equals payment.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, once your puppy lights up when they hear the marker, you're ready to use it in training.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can start with easy, predictable behaviors like sitting, lying down, looking at you, making eye contact is awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: You want to mark the exact moment that that behavior happens and then reward your puppy.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's simple, it's clear, and you guys, it's super effective.
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  SPEAKER_00: Next, let's talk about clickers.
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  SPEAKER_00: A clicker, if you choose to use one, that's great.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a small device, it makes a click sound, and that consistency is its biggest advantage.
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  SPEAKER_00: It always sounds the same.
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  SPEAKER_00: So unlike our voice, which can vary depending on my mood, the clicker always sounds the same, and that does make it incredibly precise and reliable.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's not a bad idea to choose one.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just if you're me, I have a hard time always having it with me.
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  SPEAKER_00: So training with a clicker follows the same principles.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're going to click the exact moment, the desired behavior, offer a reward.
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  SPEAKER_00: And just like with a marker word, you'll want to charge it first.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you're going to click, treat, click, treat, do that 10 to 15 times.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then your puppy's going to understand that whenever they hear that click, it's going to mean a food reward is coming.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, I love using markers or clickers for shaping exercises.
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  SPEAKER_00: For example, if you're going to teach your puppy to go to bed, go to a mat, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like you point to a mat and you say, go to bed, you want them to go get on it.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're going to first reward them for just looking at the mat, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: They look at it, mark reward, mark, reward, mark, reward.
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  SPEAKER_00: If they take a step toward it, now that's the next level.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're going to mark and reward that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we're only going to mark and reward if they take a step towards it.
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  SPEAKER_00: If they touch it, that would be the next step.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now mark and reward only if they touch it.
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  SPEAKER_00: If they choose to stand on it, that's the next level.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, now I mark and reward them for standing on it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then finally I'm waiting for them to lie down on it.
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  SPEAKER_00: When they do that, then I mark and reward and jackpot the reward because that's the final behavior I'm looking for.
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  SPEAKER_00: I want them to lie down on the mat.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's when I would give them several food rewards.
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  SPEAKER_00: So each click is going to communicate, yes, that's closer to what I want.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, that hot and cold game that you might have played as a kid.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, somebody hides something in the room and you have to find it, and they say hot, cold, hotter, colder, and they help you get there.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of what we're doing with marker training and our puppies.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, the only downside again to that clicker is you have to have it in your hand.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's why some people prefer words for everyday situations.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's really no right or wrong choice, just what works best for you and your puppy.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can actually do both.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um you can do some exercises, training exercises where you have the clicker.
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  SPEAKER_00: You just have to make sure you load both.
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  SPEAKER_00: So with a brand new puppy, I recommend starting with one way.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then as your puppy gets better with training and understanding what you're trying to do, you could introduce both if you want.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's go over some common mistakes so that you can avoid them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number one is marking too late.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the most common issue.
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  SPEAKER_00: If your puppy has already moved on to another behavior, you are reinforcing the wrong thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: So be careful.
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  SPEAKER_00: If your puppy sits and then they look out the window and you mark yes, they could think that the yes was because they looked out the window, not because of the sit.
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  SPEAKER_00: So be aware of timing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mistake number two, I see, is not rewarding after the marker.
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  SPEAKER_00: So remember the marker predicts payment.
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  SPEAKER_00: If payment doesn't follow, then the marker loses meaning.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your dog doesn't care that you're saying yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: It has to be connected to a reward.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mistake number three is repeating cues before marking.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if I say sit, sit, sit, and then I mark, my puppy's going to start to think over time that the repetition is part of the cue.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, oh, I don't have to sit till she says it three times.
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  SPEAKER_00: We don't want that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So just say the cue once, wait or show your puppy what you want to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can use a little bit of luring if needed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mark the correct behavior.
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  SPEAKER_00: So mistake number four would be marking the wrong behavior.
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  SPEAKER_00: This happens if you're distracted or you're rushing, and that fix is simple.
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  SPEAKER_00: We just want to slow down, focus, and be aware of what you're asking your dog to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: The second they do it, we mark and we reward.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mistake number five would be inconsistency.
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  SPEAKER_00: If sometimes you mark and sometimes you don't, guess what?
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  SPEAKER_00: Learning becomes a little bit unpredictable.
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  SPEAKER_00: Consistency is going to build clarity, and clarity is going to build confidence in your puppy.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, how do we bring all this together?
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  SPEAKER_00: We want to start simple.
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  SPEAKER_00: I want you to choose one behavior like sit.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can use your marker consistently and focus on your timing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Train in short sessions.
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  SPEAKER_00: Really, we're talking three to five minutes at a time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Puppies learn best in small bursts.
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  SPEAKER_00: They have short attention spans.
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  SPEAKER_00: Be patient with yourself.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your timing won't be perfect at first, but think of that tennis ball.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're tossing a ball and catching it.
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  SPEAKER_00: The second you catch it, that's the timing that we want.
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  SPEAKER_00: So focus on that.
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  SPEAKER_00: You'll get better.
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  SPEAKER_00: And don't forget to make it fun.
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  SPEAKER_00: Training really is fun, you guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: It isn't just about teaching your dog to do things, it's about building a relationship.
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  SPEAKER_00: And your puppy should be excited to work with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Marker training helps them love training.
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  SPEAKER_00: Over time, you're going to notice something amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your puppy will start offering good behavior on their own because they're trying to guess what will get her to say yes next.
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  SPEAKER_00: So sitting to say please, making eye contact, choosing calm behaviors, going and laying on their bed because they understand those behaviors work.
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  SPEAKER_00: If I do these things, Amy will say yes and she'll pay me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's the power of clear communication.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, you guys, that's it for today on marker training and timing.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you take one thing away, let it be this what you mark is what you get.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for tuning in today.
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• 11:33
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  SPEAKER_00: For more training resources, tips, and support, visit me Amy Jensen at baxterambella.com.
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  SPEAKER_00: Until next time, happy training.