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EDP63: Dublin City Half Marathon / USA 5k Road Champs / Runway Sydney Half Marathon · Easy Double podcast

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  Perth with the long run legs going, breaks the fire when the
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  session gets thick. Ryan in the mix with the numbers
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  and plans from Everson to medals.
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  Yeah, we break it all down. Hard graft Monday left about a
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  Sunday. Still chasing PBS by the World
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  spin. Hello and welcome back to the
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  Easy Double Podcast episode 63. I'm joined by the two Co hosts
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  as usual, one of them over there on a public holiday, Bank
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  Holiday Monday afternoon in sunny Island.
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  Dare I say, Owen, how are you doing?
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  Cloudy Ireland but I'm not doing well.
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  Got a little lion, it's got my first run done.
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  Have been to the physio to get a massage and now chat to you
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  guys. So yeah, life's going good.
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  What's the occasion for the public holiday?
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  Yeah, May, I don't. All I know is a May bank
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  holiday, maybe start somewhere. But yeah, very grateful for, I
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  think we've won now every month for a bit like we've won in June
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  as well. So yeah, it's nice now.
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  Good. And Dean, how are you doing in
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  Not so well. It has been sunny but the
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  temperatures have changed over in Perth.
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  How you finding it? Doing it pretty tough mates been
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  very cold having a layer up on my rides and runs so but we get
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  through. Should have seen him out.
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  And I met him for a coffee on Saturday morning after he'd
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  ridden. I, I'd run and he had this base
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  layer on and then he had this like lycra suit on.
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  And it must have been 9:00 AM or so by this point.
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  So I don't know, maybe to be fair, 12° or something.
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  And he was dither in a way. His jaw was chattering.
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  Do you want me to send you over some hats?
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  Some of the beanies. Yeah, we need the beanies now.
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  Genuinely do like the yeah, I didn't I'm putting I'm putting
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  on all this kit and it's all houses stuff, but it's like
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  cycling gloves. Apparently it's called like a
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  skull cap, which I'm sure the beanie can replace riding
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  jackets that are skin tight but still breathable if you need it.
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  Guys, I actually do not feel one bit sorry for use because the
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  last like four months here have been absolute torture, so no
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  sympathy on my end. We can relate.
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  It's the same here. Use wouldn't survive.
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  Have you? You have spent Christmas in the
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  UK before, a while ago. Yeah, that would have been a
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  long time ago now, but yeah. And it was icy and cold.
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  And I think I remember one of my first runs, I went out for a run
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  just in a pair of shorts and a top and my legs started stinging
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  and I was like, what is going on here?
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  What sort of place is this? So I didn't realize just how
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  cold it was like 0 something like that.
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  Bit different to running here. As easy as it is to complain
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  about it getting colder, the days are still lovely though
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  aren't they? Once the gets the midday it's
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  still been like low 20s and the sunshine and not much wind so
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  perfect for exercise. And when does the rain come?
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  Yeah, probably towards the back end of like May, you know like
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  not often like May is one of the best months of the year I think
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  for running. You've done all that running in
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  there hotter months and then it's just now where you're
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  getting that perfect running weather.
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  Like you say, the wind starts, starts to die down.
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  Those easterlies aren't as strong and the mornings are cool
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  and crisp and the days are still pretty sunny.
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  Those low to mid 20s. It's yeah, if you're into your,
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  you're running, then it's, it's a great time and yeah, but gets
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  a bit wetter in June, July, August, the winter months.
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  That's when I'm tactically dropping back to the UK for a
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  dose of the British Summer. Just chase the summer, that's
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  the way to do it. Yeah, well, you can't guarantee
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  anything, but this week we have a, dare I say, a slight down
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  week in results. We'll see how we get on.
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  Kudos. Thanks to Owen for putting the
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  agenda together. I've been a little bit all over
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  the place after unfortunately making the decision to stay up
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  late last night for the the grand occasion of Manchester
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  United Liverpool and that put me on the back foot this morning.
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  No exercise, which meant that I was rushed this evening.
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  No time to do an agenda so we'll skip past that.
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  Fussy. You're OK with that?
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  No, no time to do at the gym either.
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  No time to do the gym either. Ryan, give your priorities all
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  messed up. You when you're up, you didn't
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  then roll into the F1. No.
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  What time was the start? Oh, so at 3:00 AM I think.
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  I did just watch the highlights before though.
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  Couldn't believe what happened to Leclaire on that last slap.
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  It was a good race, boys. It was actually entertaining.
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  Yeah, it was so funny. Declare on the last lap.
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  I just lost. Like it was actually like a
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  Sprint, like Verstappen just got him on the line as well.
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  Yeah. And he lost a good few places.
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  But now, yeah, it was good watch.
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  It was good here because I think it was pushed back three hours
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  because there was a big rainstorm coming.
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  So it just worked perfect. And you know, a game was over,
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  F1 started, and then, yeah, it was perfect afternoon, perfect.
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  Sunday. Yeah, yeah, right.
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  So let's see what we can talk about running then.
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  We've got some results largely from Ireland.
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  So look forward to Owen explaining those to us.
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  And then there's been to be fair, news items are pretty
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  heavy bit of controversy going on.
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  So we shall start with some results coming out of Dublin
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  city. The running results, as you all
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  Right. So Dublin, and this is a
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  relatively this the second year this event is running.
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  So it is the Dublin City Half Marathon, but there's another
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  Dublin Half marathon on later on in the year that's in
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  conjunction with the marathon. So this is sort of a standalone
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  event. And yeah, I had some pretty fast
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  times. It's pretty flat course.
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  And the weather's pretty good now, like it's cool, not sunny.
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  The only thing that can mess you up is the wind.
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  But on the male side, Sean Tobin got the win 6311 in his half
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  marathon debut. A second was Paul O'Donnell in
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  6343, and then third was John Travers in a 6354.
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  So yes, Savage running on the male side, the top five were
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  under 65 minutes, which is, yeah, pretty good going.
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  Like, there's a lot of big names missing like this, just a level.
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  And running in Ireland is just skyrocketed.
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  Will they all be like Dublin based to be racing this or would
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  they travel in as well? Shawn Tobin's based in
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  Tipperary, so he'd have to drive off for this and but the other
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  two boys are are Dublin. How long you're talking?
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  You're probably talking two hours from Tipperary.
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  Hopefully got got a little bit of money to cover his petrol.
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  Oh, he definitely did. He got this was a good day for
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  him. Course record.
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  There's actually big money for the win here.
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  So yeah, because he's not, he's not with them.
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  He was with New Balance. He's not when you bounce
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  anymore. So he's actually just cleaning
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  up on the road scene over here at the moment.
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  He's super fit. He's I think he's aiming for
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  Dublin Marathon at the end of the year.
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  But yeah, he's one to watch out for.
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  If he can just stay injury free, he's gonna be on a good one.
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  Any of these sort of halves in interest you?
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  I would or would you like if you're because I think you have
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  an entry to is it Copenhagen? Yeah.
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  Would you still like if you were to pick, would you still look to
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  travel to to to chase the time for 1/2 or some of these like an
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  option to? See, I this Dublin city half,
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  it's sort of awkward because I was planning on running a race
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  this weekend of 1500, but um, I sort of was cooked earlier on
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  the week. So, um, I just pulled out that
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  race. Um, but like, it's totally
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  different training. Like fair enough.
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  Like my, but a lot of my base training would sort of suit me
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  well for half marathon, but not any of that like race specific
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  stuff. So I wouldn't really be fit
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  enough for the half marathon and there is one in Antrim later on
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  there that probably would be work out a lot cheaper than find
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  out Copenhagen. So I might look into that to be
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  honest, because like I do love traveling for running.
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  So like he get to go see Copenhagen, but like financially
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  it's just like a big hit because like you're not going to win
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  Copenhagen half marathon. So would you say, because I
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  suppose, yeah, people race for lots of different reasons.
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  But like a lot of the time it's if like you say, you can't run
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  1/2 every day or train and get fit for it.
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  So you often want to pick a fast course.
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  But some of these courses in Ireland do seem.
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  Is it fair to say that they're they're quite good?
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  Options. There's two main ones, so this
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  Dublin City Half is a big one and then there is the Antrim
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  Coast Half Marathon, which gets big names.
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  Yeah, that's part of the Super Half.
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  So that is like a world like certified race and which is
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  really, really good. But other than that.
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  Like that, the one like last year, would we have done the
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  results on it and it was like Jeffrey come war war or and was
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  like Kelly Thackery and stuff like that, Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah. So it's nearly 59.
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  Months, yeah, OK. And so yeah, there are two main
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  ones, but like a lot of them aren't world like certified.
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  So you really don't know if they're like legal if you get
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  me? Yeah.
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  OK. I didn't realize.
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  And what about and like his Cardiff like a cheaper option or
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  if you're going to go somewhere then you like Copenhagen.
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  It's not, it's not all that different.
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  Like Cardiff will be grand as well, like because we're pretty
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  lucky where we're situated in Ireland.
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  Like it's just like a quick flight.
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  It's not like you're in Perth and you have to like travel like
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  to Melbourne, something five hours, whereas I can get to like
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  Prague in like 2 or 3 hours on a plane.
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  And like it's going to be a relatively cheap enough city and
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  yeah, good like Airbnb and it's cheap coffee over there.
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  So it's actually grand. And but Copenhagen is that a
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  little bit more expensive, but as a city to live, bought them
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  again, it's a cool experience. So yeah, I'll see.
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  I might even run the Copenhagen half.
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  I might try and get a fast 1500 because I do want to get a fast
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  1500 on my legs in this track season.
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  So yeah, we'll see how how things go on the female side.
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  Dean, do you want to give this one a go?
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  He should have given me a chance before the recording.
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  Do I get? Do you want me to give it a go?
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  Embarrass myself but one. 23. OK, well, Ryan, you can go to
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  the second one, I'll go to the first one and the third one.
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  So I'll go like Sasha, Nin, Nina now.
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  Or is it just as it raids? I would have said store share
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  Nick Domino. Sorkin, I don't know.
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  So yeah, he's alright. She was, she won it in 7125,
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  which is I'm really good going and 2nd.
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  Meeve Brannigan. Maeve Brannigan.
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  She ran 7447 and then third. Sheila I Ben.
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  Yeah, Sheila Burn, she ran 7643. So yeah, again, really good
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  going on the female side, like a 71, like that's good going.
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  And so, yeah, don't see half. I think it's getting bigger and
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  bigger. It's actually pretty unique.
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  Like the other half marathon later on the year to Dublin have
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  marathon that's in the Phoenix park, whereas this one's
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  actually in the city, which is pretty cool.
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  You get to run around the city. Closed off and stuff.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dudlem City Council are like
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  behind it. So yeah, the big plans for this
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  race and yeah, again, it's pretty flat.
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  No, no disrespect to social there by the way, we're laughing
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  at our illiterate in Irish names, not your actual name.
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  Oh shoot, I think every Irish person knows.
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  It's funny when you try and make like foreign people try and
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  protect their names. Or even soccer.
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  You literally just said the name and I said it wrong again.
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  Then down the other side of Ireland there was the great
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  Limerick run which is another one the biggest like marathons
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  in in Ireland. On the male side that was won by
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  Jaco Regan in two 1930. Second was Alexander Wallace in
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  two 2439 and third was John Kinslatt in two 2642.
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  On the female side here we go again Dee Grady 243 O 7 with
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  taking the win. She is on a hot streak.
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  I think she'd had time to grab her to cheer to the fans and get
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  her kids to cross the line. Second was Grace Rita Fitzgerald
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  in two, 5524 and then third was Anne Marie Connell who ran
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  30425. So you had DS on?
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  One the Limerick. I associate Limerick with the
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  poem. You ever write a Limerick, you
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  guys? Oh, a poem.
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  I know what you mean, yeah. Yeah, and the Ryder Cup is being
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  held there in 2027. Is it which?
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  Which will be big, Yeah. And a dare manner.
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  Yeah, it's. Where, Where is it?
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  Is it's in Ireland, Yeah. Yeah.
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  And so will everyone get around the Ryder Cup team, All of the
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  Ryder Cup team. Oh yeah, it's just where it's
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  held is known to be like a freaking bottleneck and as in
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  like there's the traffic around that place is shit on a good
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  day. So never mind when there's the
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  freaking Ryder cope on, it's going to be chaos and.
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  Yeah. The last.
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  Few editions. We can unite.
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  Yeah. Now we're going to the north
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  side, Northern Ireland, where? Belfast City Marathon was on.
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  This was a pretty, this starts outside, they're like Parliament
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  House and it's a big massive pull up hill.
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  And the winner of this one was a Bay Alemu who ran a 21624.
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  Second was Tedesa Maymu who ran 21624.
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  So this was like a Sprint finish and then third.
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  Was have you seen the clip? Of them finishing.
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  Yeah, it's outrageous. They well, firstly there's a
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  clip of its start and that's the one I sent years on.
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  I think BBC Northern Ireland. Some reason it came up on like
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  my ex feed because someone like quoted it and put remind me to
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  never enter the Belfast City Marathon because the angle they
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  get on this hill, like it literally starts on flat and
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  then within 100 meters the hill is just like that and it looks
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  like it pulls for genuinely like AK and they're all just nailing
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  it up this hill. It's better to have that to
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  start. It reminds me of the State
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  Street in Ballarat. But where?
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  And then the the angle of them finishing.
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  Yeah, they turn a corner and then, you know, So like quite
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  often with marathons, it seems there's a corner maybe like with
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  AK or 800 meters to go. And then like there's not a
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  Sprint, but it's a prolonged, like you can see the finish and
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  you can make a kick. Anyway, this one, it seems to be
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  like there's a corner and then there's 150 meters to the
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  finish. And these two fellas turn the
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  corner together and then their arms are everywhere.
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  And one of them, for some reason, he started like his arms
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  go out like he's celebrating and he's like 50 meters away from
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  the line, the guy still right next to him.
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  But I think the guy who was celebrating somehow just got to
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  not finished though. What's up on marathons being so
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  tight lately? It's really weird, isn't it?
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  Games changed, hasn't it? Yeah.
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  Sitting, sitting. Kick a marathon.
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  But like sitting kick, a 216, like 216 is still very good.
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  On the female side, it was won by Aziza Aloui Sells Sui and she
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  ran 238 flat. Second was Judith Storm who ran
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  239 O nine and third was Melissa Gibson who ran 24244.
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  So yeah, lots of running in Ireland and Northern Ireland
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  over the weekend. I feel like we don't hear too
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  much about like female Irish elite marathoners, but like D
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  there 243 and the woman who's came second in this race, she's
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  from City of Derry 239. Like they're like times are up
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  there only. But I don't know, you don't
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  really hear of many Irish women in like the low two 30s or sub
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  2:30. See, there's Fenuola McCormick.
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  She's been to like 5 Olympics and she's got 224 I want to say
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  or something, but she is just like way ahead of everyone else.
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  But I feel like there is a good group coming like my age.
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  Like a lot of the people like the lot of the females, they're
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  like in America or they're just all over the place.
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  You even see like the odd one getting like a pro deal now.
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  So I feel like they're just not focusing on the longer stuff at
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  the moment. But like there is a good group
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  of middle distance females coming through the ranks.
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  What's her name? Ava Crane.
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  Is that the young 1? She so her coach came third in
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  that Limerick run, but yeah, she was meant to.
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  Boston pulled out with an injury and yeah, you just don't hear
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  anything. Like, I don't think she posts
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  that much on social media about her running.
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  So yeah, you just don't hear anything.
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  But again, she's 19, she's super young.
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  Dean, did you see whilst we're on results, Astrid ran 36
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  minutes this weekend. No.
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  Where was that? I was it like the state masters
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  or the national masters or something?
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  I don't know exactly where it was, but yeah.
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  So Astrid, I think she's 50 or in the like 50 plus category,
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  female vet, and she's just run a 10K in 36.
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  I think it was 3638, which she ran a marathon the other week.
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  And I remember saying to Becky, there's a woman from front
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  Runner who's in her 50s and she's just run a marathon.
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  And maybe it was 249. And I was amazed by that.
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  But then let's see, in the 10K result I was just like wow.
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  Yeah, yeah, it's very impressive.
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  Find one. Literally.
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  And we'll go to a Sydney half, there's a runway.
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  Sydney half quickly and Ed Goddard got the win in the half
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  marathon there. 6625, second was James Niprous, who ran 6638 and
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  third was Drew Fryer who ran 6655.
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  On the women's side, Abigail Nordberg, she ran 7626.
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  Ruby Madden was second was 7758 and third was Bethany Garland
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  who ran 79 O 4. So I think that's a pretty big
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  one in Sydney. Is that the one that used to be
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  sponsored by HOKA? Still is sponsored by HOKA.
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  I think I remember chatting to Matt Smith and he might have
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  mentioned he wasn't getting the same sort of assistance to get
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  over there, perhaps at a well, something to that effect.
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  He, I know, I know he wasn't racing that.
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  And so I think that's why he went and ran that race in SA
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  instead. Couldn't get him all the way
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  over there but they sent him to Adelaide.
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  Well, perhaps he just chose that race instead for financial
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  reasons. I don't know, don't know that
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  insurance and outs. Which well, whilst we're on it,
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  I think he did win that race where everyone's Denise some 10K
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  in Adelaide. Just a quick one for Neil and
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  Mccormick's PBS 22346 over the marathon, which was in Valencia
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  2024. Yeah.
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  So that's like right in there with like Jen Gregson.
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  And is he kind of territory, isn't it?
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  Unlike Neil McCormick, she's not the springiest of chickens.
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  She's been around like 5 Olympics and we're trying to get
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  her age. Does she train?
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  She live in Ireland and stuff. I don't overeat again, super
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  super private and I think she does do a few training camps in
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  font Ramo and but she's like got 4 kids as well.
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  Fair play. And she's 41.
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  As of May 2026, she's 41, so yeah. 223 wasn't that long ago.
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  2024, so two years ago trying to 39.
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  The last set of results we have is from the USA Road 5K
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  Championship, so again a qualifier for the stuff going on
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  in Copenhagen at the end of the year and this was top 2 get the
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  auto queue for the team. So Drew Hunter, not Andrew, just
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  Drew came out on top in 1328 in a blanket finish.
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  Dylan Jacobs was second in 1328 as well and Kupertier taking the
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  the role of Kajalcha in the unlucky first loser coming home
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  in 3rd in 1329. I don't know if you've seen the
• 24:15
  clip of these coming over the line.
• 24:18
  They're crazy. There's four of them, isn't
• 24:20
  there? But they eat.
• 24:22
  There's like confetti blown into their faces.
• 24:24
  As soon as they cross the line. It's.
• 24:26
  Like, say they were pretty scared, like you wouldn't be
• 24:29
  able to process what that was immediately, would you?
• 24:32
  No way we're going to say something.
• 24:39
  Oh no, I think yeah, just echo your point.
• 24:42
  Like do you remember doing the Usus track and field champs are
• 24:47
  always so good in the sense of they qualifiers for major
• 24:52
  championships and both Cooper tier Andrew Hunter were super
• 24:57
  unlucky in the most recent world champs qualifiers to miss out.
• 25:02
  And so firstly, nice to see Drew Hunter get a get a win to get
• 25:07
  get a spot. But then yeah, to your point, I
• 25:09
  feel like Cooper Tia. How many times does he need to
• 25:12
  finish one spot outside of getting to put on AUS singlet?
• 25:18
  Is this the qualifier for the World Road Running Championships
• 25:22
  in Copenhagen? Yeah.
• 25:24
  Yeah. And is it top 2?
• 25:26
  Was it the top 2 get to go? Yeah, Harsh.
• 25:32
  Yeah, I think I've seen a photo as well.
• 25:34
  I love him in the race and he was on the front of the group at
• 25:37
  whatever point it was, so he had to go at least.
• 25:43
  Chris Schweitzer that. Spring finish was just crazy.
• 25:47
  Yeah, I don't know who the fourth guy was as well, because
• 25:50
  although they were 132813281329, there was another fella who was
• 25:55
  there with them. It would have also been 1329.
• 26:01
  I think is it Sam Pracle? Pracle is the surname.
• 26:07
  Yeah, OK. Carissa Schweitzer came out on
• 26:12
  top of the women's race in 1459. That's first time for on the
• 26:17
  road. Emma.
• 26:19
  Grace Haley was second 1501, taking the other Auto Q spot
• 26:23
  from Grace Hyde in 3rd 1504. Yeah, I feel like amongst
• 26:30
  professionals and elites, you don't see too many five KS on
• 26:34
  the road. So it's hard to kind of gauge
• 26:36
  what's a really good time or not because you just naturally you
• 26:40
  know what they run on the track, but you also know it's not
• 26:43
  equivalent to what they do on the road.
• 26:45
  So impressed with that. Those women's times.
• 26:49
  They're like 15 dad. Feel like that is a good
• 26:53
  reflection of what they do on the track.
• 26:56
  You don't know because like I think like Cooper 2 is run
• 26:59
  125455 on the track. So I feel like it is like I
• 27:05
  think it is a totally different race.
• 27:07
  Like the road just breaks up your rhythm and well, depending
• 27:11
  on the course, again, I feel like on the track you can get
• 27:15
  into a real nice rhythm of just following the person.
• 27:17
  How do you depending if it's paced or not paced?
• 27:20
  But I feel like it's harder to gauge your effort on the road as
• 27:24
  well because you don't have the metric of like OK 12 1/2 laps on
• 27:28
  a track. Like actually don't know when
• 27:31
  the K markers are coming and but still like 1328.
• 27:35
  Like it is like it's fast on the road.
• 27:39
  Have you ever done a fast faster gone Oh.
• 27:42
  I was just going to say Krisha, SWAT says run half a minute
• 27:45
  quicker as well. I think she's on the track,
• 27:47
  yeah. Have you ever done a fast 5K on
• 27:51
  the road, Dean? No, not, not, not not as a race,
• 27:56
  and it's not really something offered my interest of Perth
• 27:59
  races. There's not really one that's
• 28:04
  this is the you know, state road 5K champs or this isn't
• 28:10
  notoriously quick. Five Ki feel like you'd make for
• 28:13
  a great event, you know, like a night of the five KS but on on a
• 28:17
  crit circuit one night and you just have seated times and you
• 28:21
  just rotate, you know, a series of races throughout an evening.
• 28:26
  I reckon it would definitely have a place.
• 28:29
  And it's very relatable in the sense of with the birth of park
• 28:32
  run in the what, the last 5-10 years, everyone has a bit of an
• 28:36
  idea of what they could run and then an offering like that would
• 28:40
  be well taken up. But yeah, not nothing really
• 28:43
  exists here. Great for the likes of us as
• 28:45
  well because you the unfortunate thing with trackers, I feel like
• 28:51
  I have to put spikes on if I'm going to allow myself to be
• 28:54
  happy that the time is like a legitimate time.
• 28:57
  Whereas obviously on the road you can still just RIP it in
• 29:00
  your super shoes. So best of both worlds.
• 29:04
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• 29:18
  So this story came up in the week.
• 29:20
  I haven't actually done too much digging into it, but Abby
• 29:23
  Steiner, who is a former Puma athlete, is suing them.
• 29:30
  A four time NCAA champion, two time world champion, she signed
• 29:35
  with them in 2022 for a massive deal worth a reported
• 29:40
  $2,000,000. And she's claiming that injuries
• 29:43
  that she has subsequently suffered since signing with Puma
• 29:48
  are kind of like a defect in the shoes and the spikes.
• 29:55
  And that's obviously led to her missing out on teams which she
• 29:59
  thinks she would have made world championship teams, Olympic
• 30:02
  teams. So it goes on to say that the
• 30:06
  lawsuit claims the shoes increased her risk of injuries
• 30:10
  through the design and specifically because of the
• 30:13
  carbon fiber plate. They allegedly changed the foot
• 30:19
  and ankle mechanics during running.
• 30:20
  Which I mean, I don't think that's no breaking news.
• 30:24
  Like we all know that's what the Super shoe does.
• 30:27
  But isn't she? Wasn't she claiming that like
• 30:30
  they'd specifically made ones for hair which like knowingly
• 30:36
  exposed her to risk of injury? Apparently they were like faulty
• 30:40
  or something like she got like dude pairs and like there was
• 30:44
  apparently Mercedes helped design them or something like
• 30:47
  the Mercedes F1. There's a connection there as
• 30:49
  well. And like, you'd want to be
• 30:51
  fairly sure if you're going like publicly suing Puma.
• 30:55
  It's a bold claim. Very like bold.
• 30:58
  Good luck getting sponsored by another shoe company.
• 31:01
  Yeah. Like, but like Puma come have
• 31:04
  come out and like, they've strongly like, denied these
• 31:07
  allegations, saying, like the form products do not cause
• 31:11
  injuries. Like they've sort of pointed to
• 31:13
  like other athletes who have like, broken world records and
• 31:16
  all this sort of stuff in their shoes.
• 31:18
  So, yeah, it'll be interesting to see how this turns out.
• 31:24
  But yeah, it's just that was really cool, like, crazy to see
• 31:28
  that she's still like, suing Puma.
• 31:32
  You hope these things don't get traction because it feels like
• 31:35
  it's most likely going to lead to reduce funding, which is like
• 31:39
  such a key pipeline of for professional athletes.
• 31:46
  Like it's not like we have all these.
• 31:48
  It's not like the NBA or the Premier League where you have
• 31:52
  this system that allows athletes to participate like shoe
• 31:56
  companies have. My understanding is that and
• 31:59
  race winnings and other ad hoc sponsorships are what funds
• 32:02
  people. So you'd hate to see something
• 32:05
  like this bringing down and, you know, a way for people that make
• 32:12
  money to make money. But it wasn't like they weren't
• 32:15
  paying her much is like it was a pretty big deal she was on like
• 32:18
  you presume that they weren't giving her faulty.
• 32:22
  But then at the same like, do you know, like they go out on a
• 32:24
  limb and provide all this money, provide the footwear and then
• 32:28
  they're and then the person gets injured and that's, I don't
• 32:31
  know. There's like so many other
• 32:34
  factors that could have caused these injuries other than the
• 32:37
  shoes. Yeah, there's there's a guy who
• 32:41
  runs for Wallasey, my club back in the UK and he had the pair of
• 32:45
  fast stars and I think he'd done like an A multi terrain race in
• 32:50
  them or not a multi terrain. But like it was largely road and
• 32:55
  there was a gravel section and as like as tiny stone as pierced
• 33:00
  the foam and like almost completely wrecked this year
• 33:03
  when it was towards like the start of it, it's lifespan.
• 33:06
  And he sends it back to them and they're like trying to distance
• 33:10
  themselves from it saying like they're not designed to be
• 33:14
  running on non assault surfaces basically.
• 33:19
  And these literally found in the description a line which says
• 33:23
  like built for speed on all surfaces or something like that.
• 33:27
  So they've reluctantly accepted it.
• 33:32
  I think that's, I mean, if you backed those claims, then you
• 33:34
  got to then that's, I think that's fair game.
• 33:39
  But then you couldn't write it when he actually sent it back to
• 33:42
  them. They claimed that they didn't
• 33:43
  receive something like this or it took like 2 weeks to find
• 33:49
  them. Something else that came to mind
• 33:52
  with this story. I hope it doesn't turn into
• 33:56
  doesn't encourage other people to without claim start doing
• 34:03
  this. I don't know if Dean you're
• 34:05
  aware Owen, will you remember like the PPI miss selling thing
• 34:09
  in the UK and Ireland? Was that a thing?
• 34:11
  Personal protection insurance, remember you would get all these
• 34:15
  like scam calls from claims management companies trying to
• 34:19
  tap you up to say where you miss sold insurance with your loan or
• 34:23
  with your overdraft or with your mortgage because the banks like
• 34:27
  automatically applied that to people's accounts and then
• 34:31
  everyone was going through a process of getting it refunded.
• 34:33
  I hope this isn't the start of like the the running industries
• 34:37
  version of that where everyone's claiming lawsuits for injuries
• 34:42
  caused by carbon plates. I feel like it's still like risk
• 34:47
  you like like running is a high risk injury spore anyway.
• 34:53
  Like when you think about it like the amount of stress you
• 34:56
  put on your body. Well, especially at like her
• 34:58
  level. So yeah, I just don't know how
• 35:03
  she can prove its shoes like unless it is like a dog pair and
• 35:08
  she cuts them up and like they're actually let's say it's
• 35:10
  like half a carbon plate in it or it's just not correct.
• 35:15
  Yeah, I don't know. Super interesting though.
• 35:18
  Yeah, interested to kind of follow it and see what comes of
• 35:21
  it, whether there's anything to it or not.
• 35:26
  The next story, Rory Leonard is leaving Team Macau.
• 35:30
  It's a bit of an A day I never thought would come.
• 35:35
  The boys going well, not going their separate ways, but Rory go
• 35:40
  in his own way. Kind of feels a bit like Morgan
• 35:43
  McDonald leaving the OAC group, doesn't it?
• 35:47
  There's a couple of posts out on social media and it obviously
• 35:51
  has been done on good terms and no massive falling outs or
• 35:55
  anything. But I wonder, interested to see
• 35:58
  where Rory goes because he probably wouldn't be too proud
• 36:03
  to say that his results over the last 6 to 12 months probably
• 36:08
  haven't been what he was expecting of himself, given what
• 36:11
  he'd done prior, like when he ran that British record.
• 36:15
  And he'd done well at Eurocross one year, I think, didn't he?
• 36:19
  And then maybe since he hasn't like been able to take another
• 36:22
  step forward. And he's had a couple of DNFS
• 36:27
  maybe and a couple of injuries here and there.
• 36:30
  So perhaps he's just seeing what's on the other side and the
• 36:35
  training doesn't fully line up for him.
• 36:37
  Why not? Yeah, like it's very like it is
• 36:43
  a brave move, but I can see what he's doing as well.
• 36:46
  Like what he has had like pretty good results.
• 36:49
  They just haven't been super consistent.
• 36:51
  And so like he's a phenomenal athlete.
• 36:54
  So changing up might like probably will help him like a
• 36:58
  long term like just different stimulus or different training
• 37:02
  approach. And just where would he go?
• 37:04
  Like I'm pretty sure he won't go solo.
• 37:06
  So will he move to America to a whole group over there?
• 37:10
  But could it be like join that Naz and AZ elite group?
• 37:14
  Like could he? Because that'll be unbelievable
• 37:17
  because I think he's he's an American passport.
• 37:19
  So he can sort of do what he wants regarding going over
• 37:21
  there. But yeah, I'll be interested in
• 37:23
  what see what's next move is. I think like training groups can
• 37:30
  be a bit double edged. Like if you're not the fittest
• 37:33
  in the training group, there's a there's a tendency to just
• 37:37
  overreach slightly to run with people that you maybe even in
• 37:41
  the best interest of where you're at.
• 37:44
  And so like, and it seems like maybe that was part of the
• 37:47
  motivation for Morgan McDonald to go his own way was to go back
• 37:51
  to some of the stuff that he thought was working for him when
• 37:53
  he was very consistent through their collegiate system.
• 37:58
  And it already seems to, at least on the outside, to be
• 38:01
  paying dividends a bit like he ran what, 1312 or something like
• 38:05
  that on a pretty average night at like on a track in an
• 38:11
  Australian track summer race. Have you guys seen his latest
• 38:16
  little video? His teaser about looking to
• 38:19
  break 13 minutes for 5K? Yeah, watched it.
• 38:22
  Very good. Yeah, respect it.
• 38:25
  Yeah, and how exciting is that little series do you like?
• 38:28
  He's doing what he's going back to what he's wanting to do.
• 38:33
  I like his content as well. I like the way he does his
• 38:35
  actual Youtubes and they're not too long.
• 38:39
  But yeah, I think as a person like I'd noise was easy to
• 38:42
  listen to. But it must must be fit if he's
• 38:45
  putting out videos around sub 13.
• 38:50
  We're sort of saying a couple of weeks ago in Sydney around 1312,
• 38:55
  like he's not that far and it's the conditions are that's not a,
• 39:01
  you know, lights paces Diamond League circuit type race.
• 39:06
  So I think he's and he's never run it before.
• 39:08
  So I think he's and that's what he he basically said on the
• 39:12
  video is that I don't I there's a tendency now to just want to
• 39:16
  do a lot of training. But, and that's what you might
• 39:19
  do if you're in a big training group and if you can adapt to
• 39:23
  that training like you've seen with the on guys, whoever gets
• 39:27
  right at the right time, training that hard gets results.
• 39:31
  But if you're on the wrong side of that, you can get injured and
• 39:33
  stay in that injury cycle. So yeah, he is sort of saying
• 39:38
  I'm excited. I really want to train a lot,
• 39:39
  but I also am mindful that if I don't want to over train because
• 39:44
  I only need to get marginally better than what I just ran in
• 39:48
  order to get into that shape. So.
• 39:51
  It must be hard to kind of balance the the dynamic of the
• 39:55
  different like strengths and physiologies of those lads in
• 39:59
  Team Macau for the coach because was it Alice has gone to the
• 40:03
  marathon, What's his name? Scott is running like 13 low for
• 40:10
  5K and Callum Elson's still doing like 15 hundreds.
• 40:15
  So they're all kind of going the different ways.
• 40:17
  So maybe that's been a bit of a. Thing for Rory as well, because
• 40:22
  I think don't know, would he see himself as maybe like 5-10
• 40:26
  thousand and kind of sits in the middle of them all.
• 40:31
  Callum Elson's a cracker though we're seeing he put a story up
• 40:34
  saying like great. The the flip side of the coin is
• 40:38
  that this has moved me up the team Macau rankings by one
• 40:42
  place. But because Rory's left, it
• 40:46
  still means that I'm last. Did you see that video of him
• 40:52
  running with Joey Fields in it as well?
• 40:55
  Yeah, they look like they've been doing some training
• 40:57
  together down at Saint Mary's. But just look at how smooth Joe
• 41:02
  Wakefield looks running that fast.
• 41:06
  Like, you know, they're pushing because Callum Allison's arms
• 41:08
  are pumping. Joe Wakefield just looks.
• 41:10
  He's just so powerful. It's like for one stride, Joe
• 41:14
  Wakefield, Callum Nelson takes like 2.
• 41:16
  I don't know. He just looks way more smooth
• 41:18
  and powerful and I wonder what his next move is going to be.
• 41:23
  Ask him, Ryan. I'd say he's a decent shout for
• 41:26
  COM games. But what distance is he going to
• 41:30
  drop down? Distance.
• 41:32
  Don't know, they've got a 10K haven't they?
• 41:35
  And with his run in Valencia, maybe, would that be good
• 41:38
  enough? But like I think he breaks if he
• 41:41
  trains for A5 Ki keep you close to breaking 13.
• 41:46
  Yeah, I've think they got a 5K. Yeah, they do con games.
• 41:51
  Yeah, that's what I'm going to. Oh no, I'm going to the
• 41:54
  Europeans. Never mind.
• 41:55
  You talk, you talk about how smooth he is, but how was the
• 41:59
  comment you guys made about the London Marathon?
• 42:03
  Didn't you mention like that 10K pace?
• 42:06
  His ten, his Valencia 10K pace is what the guys split.
• 42:10
  Yeah. From 30 to 40K in the marathon.
• 42:12
  That's just incomprehensible isn't it though?
• 42:14
  Like what the hell? Yeah, like the the more you deep
• 42:19
  that, the more it doesn't make sense, so I'm trying not to.
• 42:23
  But did you? Hear, I want to set you guys
• 42:24
  off. Did you hear UMM set on the
• 42:28
  Inside Running podcast? What did?
• 42:31
  He was like, like, we're all thinking the same thing, but you
• 42:38
  can't think that way either because he hasn't been caught.
• 42:43
  And it's sort of not fair that a group of people from that region
• 42:48
  getting caught will diminish his like, performance because like,
• 42:52
  like, for all we know he is clean and he's just the best
• 42:54
  marathoner we've ever seen. It's like it is sort of sad in a
• 42:58
  way that straightaway we think are drugs.
• 43:02
  But I think we he was like, we shouldn't be thinking like that
• 43:06
  either. And you have to sort of give him
• 43:08
  credit as well. Yeah, I mean.
• 43:12
  Yes, I was trying to tell you. Nah, I would say like it.
• 43:17
  I would say it depends like a lot of things, like when do you
• 43:23
  remember when chef and get it? She ran her world record and it
• 43:28
  was like 5 minutes better than her previous time.
• 43:32
  And the guys, the real science of sport guys tried to quantify
• 43:35
  the leap she'd made and and put it down to a late person later
• 43:39
  in their career, how that would be possible physiologically.
• 43:41
  And they struggled. And I was the same.
• 43:45
  Remember like Mocheteer and everything's 2020 in hindsight,
• 43:48
  but he went from like a high 13 minute guy to a 12 something
• 43:52
  guy. Like it's where they it's where
• 43:55
  the stories make less sense that it's harder to understand and
• 43:59
  like food to Gelcha, he's run like he's he's the former world
• 44:04
  record holder over a mile. He's the recent half marathon
• 44:08
  world world record holder. He's a decorated runner on the
• 44:11
  track. And then he's gone to the road
• 44:13
  at a time where the carbon plate technology is transformed
• 44:18
  things. And like for me, there's there's
• 44:23
  a narrative there that you can get your head around.
• 44:26
  And then a little bit similar with Subway, like he ran really
• 44:30
  fast. Well, he would have he he ran a
• 44:33
  pretty incredible race in Berlin last year or albeit it was
• 44:37
  incredibly hot, but he still went through on, he still went
• 44:40
  through halfway in like 6030 or something.
• 44:42
  So he's clear. It was clearly in exceptional
• 44:44
  shape a year ago. So like, yeah.
• 44:50
  So the times itself are still hard to wrap your head around.
• 44:53
  But then at the same time, the the where where people don't
• 44:56
  come from the clouds and they have a bit of a story.
• 44:59
  It is a bit more believable than the ones that don't, and it's
• 45:03
  the ones that where this this story doesn't make sense that
• 45:06
  you I I personally am more suspicious of.
• 45:11
  Especially with all of the proactive drug tests in the
• 45:14
  doing. I think you have to be a big
• 45:18
  skepticist to deliberately overlook that and still choose
• 45:22
  to think he must be cheating. Like, I don't think you have to
• 45:26
  be an optimist to choose to believe him.
• 45:28
  You just have to be able to look at something at face value and
• 45:31
  go, OK, I'm happy to be proven wrong at a later date.
• 45:36
  But for now, that kind of that flies with me.
• 45:41
  Well, that's at least how I feel.
• 45:42
  Or just it adds evidence to suggest that someone's clean and
• 45:47
  when they do, when they do certain things, like if they
• 45:49
  improve incrementally over time or they subject themselves to
• 45:53
  more regular blood tests, whatever it is, like those sorts
• 45:57
  of things you think give weight to the legitimacy of their
• 46:01
  performances. Because lots of the commentary
• 46:05
  going on, lots of the commentary online that I was saying when
• 46:11
  people would reply to the the fact that he's doing all these
• 46:16
  drug tests would be, yeah. But like, the shelf life of them
• 46:18
  now is so short and you can still get around it and stuff.
• 46:21
  But if you, for me, if you think that way, you're just going to
• 46:26
  eat yourself up inside, like you're never going to be
• 46:29
  satisfied with anything. So I just see what happens.
• 46:34
  I personally hate the way his manager, like his coach has, was
• 46:39
  associated with people who've got caught with drugs.
• 46:41
  Like that's the bit I really don't like.
• 46:42
  Like some of them Italians are fucking scumbags and lovely
• 46:46
  food. Yeah, they're not the most trust
• 46:50
  when it comes to like coaches. They're not the most
• 46:53
  trustworthy. Well, they just have a bad
• 46:54
  history. So when you mix like dirty
• 46:57
  Italian coaches and Kenyans have been local to country, who has
• 47:01
  had the most people caught? Like it's not really a good
• 47:03
  recipe, but yeah, but like saying that you can't, you have
• 47:09
  to give, which is. Yeah, which is why I think, can
• 47:12
  you not carry a reasonable degree of skepticism into that?
• 47:15
  I think it's that's fair. And it's why for us following
• 47:18
  the sport, why there's other storylines that we choose to
• 47:21
  follow. It's why like you, you get more
• 47:24
  excited around Jake and Tim's performances because you
• 47:31
  understand and relate to and believe their their stories.
• 47:35
  And so they're the things that you know, you can get excited
• 47:39
  about. And then these other
• 47:40
  performances that are a bit, they're still exciting, but but
• 47:45
  maybe not as exciting for some. But it's still not as big of an
• 47:51
  anomaly as Ruth chap and get it is two O 9 like you could.
• 47:56
  This was coming. Like you could see we're getting
• 47:58
  closer and closer and closer. There's probably like a nice
• 48:01
  curve pointing towards this and whereas your one route chap and
• 48:05
  get it dip jump was just freaking crazy.
• 48:09
  Speaking of Jake and Tim, nice reminder that I'm actually
• 48:13
  chatting with them tomorrow for the final episode.
• 48:16
  I think it's tomorrow, So if you have any thoughts, questions
• 48:19
  you'd like to sling their way, let me know.
• 48:24
  Is Jake Barclough on it as well? Yeah.
• 48:28
  Oh. See if Jake Smith and Tim should
• 48:34
  have had plenty of time to get over the post London hangover.
• 48:39
  Think Tim's actually back in Australia now, so it'll be on a
• 48:43
  more handy time zone for me. For us.
• 48:50
  The next piece of news is Brit's Team GB announced their marathon
• 48:55
  team for the European Marathon Championships which as always
• 49:00
  with Team G beat announcements came with a slight bit of
• 49:05
  controversy. So the female team is Abby
• 49:09
  Donnelly, Natasha Wilson, Clara Evans, Louise Small and Rose
• 49:13
  Harvey 12345 women man is Mohammed Mohammed, Johnny Mella,
• 49:20
  Phil Sessman, Wayne Gabriel Selassie and to well de Mengez
• 49:25
  12345 males. I think there was opportunity to
• 49:30
  send 6. There's 3 guarantees in life
• 49:35
  that taxes and freaking UK Athletics making up balls of
• 49:42
  selecting teams for national championships.
• 49:44
  That's so true. Like it's I don't get.
• 49:46
  It like they want it's so true they've they find a way to fuck
• 49:49
  it up every time. Don't.
• 49:51
  They like, why not bring one more person?
• 49:53
  Full team. You know, you know where it's
• 49:56
  being held in Birmingham, Smack bang, the center of the country.
• 50:01
  The travel travel costs I phenomenal that like.
• 50:08
  I even if. Yeah, I ever think, yeah, like
• 50:13
  administrators over. It's like an umpire.
• 50:17
  And if you know the name of the umpire, they've had a bad game
• 50:21
  because they should just, they're just administering.
• 50:23
  You shouldn't know that. It should just be let the
• 50:26
  players dictate the outcome, not the umpire.
• 50:29
  But why does the administration involve themselves so much here?
• 50:34
  People should just qualify. They just go.
• 50:37
  They just represent and it should be some policy that
• 50:39
  dictates in what order they get to qualify.
• 50:42
  They just apply the policy. It shouldn't be as Lim limited
• 50:47
  discretion as POS possible. People then have an idea on when
• 50:50
  they what they needed to do to make a team.
• 50:52
  They make a team and then they get to participate.
• 50:56
  So the the big uproar here is Ellis Cross probably not being
• 51:01
  selected. So the last person selected was
• 51:04
  that 12A men Mendez MPs ran 21048 for the marathon in London
• 51:10
  and his half marathon is a 6119. Ellis Cross has run 210 O 9.
• 51:17
  So he's have he has him in the marathon and in the half.
• 51:20
  Ellis Cross has run 6228. So his half is a little bit
• 51:25
  slower, but his marathon is faster.
• 51:29
  It's like I don't get. Why can't they both go?
• 51:31
  It doesn't make sense. It really hurts my brain,
• 51:35
  especially because Alice could really just drive there.
• 51:37
  He's literally like he is from Birmingham.
• 51:40
  This would mean the absolute world.
• 51:43
  He could stay in his own house, like it's not a big deal.
• 51:47
  Yeah, because literally I done the YouTube Diaries on him go
• 51:52
  into Istanbul to chase qualification points for this.
• 51:55
  Like they made a video to say This is why we're doing it, to
• 51:59
  try and get points for the European marathon.
• 52:02
  Because like the people who are faster, so like a meal and Paddy
• 52:07
  diva and stuff, you obviously discount them because they've,
• 52:10
  they could have been selected presumably and they've chosen
• 52:14
  not to be. But it's the ones who are like
• 52:16
  kind of in and around where they could have filled the vacant
• 52:21
  spots and the selectors have chosen not to.
• 52:26
  It the the sport's hard enough like it's it's a really hard
• 52:32
  sport to you dedicate a lot of time and effort and invest a lot
• 52:36
  of your own personal financial returns into the sport like.
• 52:44
  And it's also it's also so sad because you knew Jake Smith,
• 52:49
  this was like his big goal to run the 209 thirty.
• 52:52
  And like, he'll obviously admit that he didn't run the race that
• 52:57
  he wanted in London and he hasn't got himself the time, but
• 53:01
  it's just. Sad is there and maybe Jake will
• 53:03
  know, maybe this is a question for tomorrow, but was there some
• 53:06
  sort of ranking system that kept these guys out, You know, like
• 53:10
  for World Athletics as a quota system?
• 53:12
  And so the way it normally works is or the way it works nowadays
• 53:16
  is you, you have an automatic Standard Time.
• 53:18
  And if you don't make that, if you have, if you're inside the
• 53:21
  quota based on ranking points, you're in like did the UK with
• 53:24
  the UK just unable to field a full time for that reason?
• 53:29
  Yeah, you could be on to something, but I mean the
• 53:33
  comments, Rory Leonard is in the comments himself on the post
• 53:36
  announcement. That wouldn't stack up that
• 53:39
  without he would have, he wouldn't have said what he said
• 53:41
  in the comments, right? How do you maximize medal
• 53:44
  potential without filling all six spots on the team then,
• 53:49
  which is obviously a direct quote from the the policies that
• 53:53
  they produce, They always go with like we choose these teams
• 53:57
  to maximize medal potential, which is usually a way out,
• 54:01
  isn't it? Because they kind of refer to
• 54:04
  the fact of, Oh, well, if you're not going to be able to compete
• 54:07
  for a medal, then we're not going to send you.
• 54:10
  And I think if they knew if they, they would have had a, if
• 54:16
  they had a response, which is that people didn't make the
• 54:18
  quieter and therefore blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, the you,
• 54:20
  you would expect that would have been said, right?
• 54:24
  But I think the standard was 209 thirty.
• 54:29
  So the guy, last guy, 12 day men.
• 54:32
  Guess he actually didn't hit the So why does he get selected over
• 54:38
  Alice? Yeah, it's just UK Athletics.
• 54:46
  Fuck me Demica balls of these jokes.
• 54:49
  Yeah, it's a shame. It's a shame that like ahead of
• 54:52
  any team announcement, you, you can just fail that whatever is
• 54:59
  the outcome, it's not going to be the right outcome.
• 55:01
  Like someone's always going to be upset and usually
• 55:04
  justifiably, whereas I mean like we always seem to refer to the
• 55:09
  way USA do their things, but everyone's in the know, whether
• 55:14
  you like it or not, when you cross that finish line, you
• 55:17
  know, if you're on the team and you know why.
• 55:22
  Yeah, and it gives back power to the athletes as far as
• 55:25
  controlling their own destiny. Owen, did you want to do you
• 55:29
  want to do the this next one? Yeah, so our good friends at Fly
• 55:36
  Carp, the bicarb people we interviewed, they have this, I
• 55:43
  think this is their second year of their fast grant.
• 55:47
  So fast stands for Fly Carb Athletes Support Tranche,
• 55:55
  tranche, tranche. So yeah, this is basically for
• 56:01
  anyone and everyone. You don't need a certain amount
• 56:03
  of followers on Instagram. These are just purely looking to
• 56:07
  help. So I believe elite athletes in
• 56:13
  ways such as like whether it be travel coaching, physio,
• 56:17
  equipment, it like this isn't expensive for sport but it is
• 56:23
  like a pair of shoes switch back £200.
• 56:25
  So if you've got them for free you'd be happy out.
• 56:28
  To apply for the grant you just e-mail team@flightcab.com.
• 56:35
  This is basically all on their Instagram as well.
• 56:37
  You just a little 200 word paragraph telling you how much
• 56:42
  you need it and like what you'll use it for basically and then
• 56:45
  why you use their flight cab product.
• 56:49
  The deadline is the 17th of May and you'll get the decisions
• 56:54
  like a week later. So you have to be over 16 to
• 57:00
  apply for this grant and you cannot be receiving any salary
• 57:04
  or athletics performance funding from like another organization.
• 57:08
  So it's literally just to help like people that are on their
• 57:12
  own trying to run fast basically.
• 57:16
  These guys mentioned this when we chatted to them as runners
• 57:21
  themselves that have sort of spent a lot of time, you know,
• 57:25
  self funding. Yeah.
• 57:28
  Yeah. And so such a nice initiative.
• 57:30
  And I think, yeah, hopefully they they set a bit of a trend
• 57:35
  because I think it is that level of athlete that really these
• 57:39
  things make make the biggest difference.
• 57:41
  You're just stuck in that middle ground where you're not getting
• 57:44
  like the free entries or the kid deals or any of that, but you're
• 57:48
  like you're above the like Sobelites or whatever the
• 57:51
  average person. So it's not the tricky middle
• 57:54
  ground where you can actually just give up on the sport.
• 57:56
  Whereas if you get any support at all, that actually makes the
• 57:59
  world of a difference. So yeah, these guys are good for
• 58:02
  the sport. It seems to be maybe it's slowly
• 58:07
  trickling down from like the major footwear brands that now
• 58:11
  these smaller independent brands are starting to do things.
• 58:16
  If you think to shoe, they offer something similar as well to a
• 58:20
  couple of athletes. I can't remember what their
• 58:22
  programs called, but they've like kind of sponsored a couple
• 58:26
  of those on the periphery. So it is cool.
• 58:29
  It'd be be the dream for Easy Double to get there one day.
• 58:34
  Even though. They encouraged us to apply.
• 58:39
  By the way, so careful with your words.
• 58:42
  Yeah, I feel like there was a one individual they gave it to
• 58:45
  that didn't really that's already there if you get me.
• 58:51
  Who? The steeplechaser?
• 58:55
  Karfin, Ryan. Yeah, like she was sponsored by
• 58:58
  PML. Like she is up there now.
• 59:01
  Fair enough. I think she got dropped by her
• 59:02
  sponsor so she could do it like that little bit help again.
• 59:05
  But yeah, I thought it was, I don't know, but I love what
• 59:10
  they're doing again. I love the initiative.
• 59:11
  It's unbelievable, especially like with brands, I think Puma
• 59:15
  have that three hour project or something like that, or they've
• 59:19
  some Fast 3 project. And Hoka had this PB protocol
• 59:23
  where they like support people for their build.
• 59:26
  And then if you hit a certain tag or something, I think Puma
• 59:29
  had to pay out a load of athletes where if you've got
• 59:30
  like APB, like a certain amount of time, you get like like a
• 59:34
  grand and 1/2 or something while also they kick you out for the
• 59:37
  whole build with shoes and kit. And Hoka done it as well.
• 59:42
  I sort of like them sort of things.
• 59:44
  Let's go for the sport. Yeah, Puma done that well
• 59:48
  because they mark said the heck out of it too.
• 59:51
  So I'd imagine it paid dividends because they they had them all
• 59:55
  running around in the fluorescent cuts.
• 59:59
  But even the Hoker One Poker, they had some crazy PBS.
• 1:00:03
  I think I seen they put a post over for six athletes and they
• 1:00:06
  all like smashed their PBS and like some of them ran like 212
• 1:00:11
  to 14. Like really, really good times.
• 1:00:13
  Like one of them was first out of the masses.
• 1:00:17
  If you were to apply here, what would be in your 200 word pitch?
• 1:00:24
  Please, I'm broke. Please please please please
• 1:00:29
  please. Please 200 times.
• 1:00:33
  Yeah, I don't know. I'd say as per last week, I'm
• 1:00:39
  physically incapable of producing lactate boys, so your
• 1:00:42
  product might help me on that. I found out on Saturday my body
• 1:00:49
  is well able to produce some lactate.
• 1:00:51
  Kind of the fucking like 16. Millimeter.
• 1:00:55
  On on the the Pro 2 reader. Yeah.
• 1:01:01
  Jesus. First speed session, I'd say my
• 1:01:05
  body was like, what is happening?
• 1:01:09
  Yeah. So yeah, instead of doing the
• 1:01:13
  1500 race, you just destroyed yourself with the session.
• 1:01:17
  Basically, it's probably, it's probably better during the
• 1:01:22
  session. I don't think the race would
• 1:01:24
  have been good for my head or like get more out of this.
• 1:01:28
  Like I would have got more of that session than I would have
• 1:01:30
  out of a 1500 meter race where I was probably going to be flooded
• 1:01:34
  after 400 meters. So yeah, bigger picture is
• 1:01:39
  probably better for me. That and it's sometimes tricky
• 1:01:42
  to manage the tapir in the day after recovery, whereas if
• 1:01:46
  you're just training it'll just take so long.
• 1:01:49
  Exactly. Exactly.
• 1:01:50
  And with the week I had, like I think a lot of it is a bit
• 1:01:53
  mental. Like if I was to run shit, I had
• 1:01:56
  a shit chat session on Tuesday, then I had to have like
• 1:02:00
  basically 48 hours off because I was so cooked.
• 1:02:03
  And then to try and run a race on Saturday, like it just was
• 1:02:07
  not a good recipe. So yeah, better off pulling the
• 1:02:11
  pin, maybe getting a 1500 later on the year to try and get PB in
• 1:02:15
  because like, yeah, no medals are won in May, early May.
• 1:02:20
  But you've got the 3K coming up this weekend, is it?
• 1:02:24
  And the fields were literally just released.
• 1:02:27
  No way are you in the a race. So there's I'm in the basically
• 1:02:32
  the B race, there's International, then there's A,
• 1:02:34
  then there's B. So I'm basically in the B race,
• 1:02:38
  but it could work out. Some of the names in that a race
• 1:02:42
  are pretty, pretty good. I might be hanging on.
• 1:02:47
  If I wasn't the in that international one, I'd probably
• 1:02:50
  be hanging on the the back of it.
• 1:02:53
  We can go through it after. OK, what you want to go through
• 1:02:56
  now? Now go on, go.
• 1:02:59
  Go through now, yeah, into the international men's.
• 1:03:03
  So you have got international men's 3K, you've got Jack
• 1:03:10
  O'Leary from Ireland, he runs 740 something in Boston earlier
• 1:03:16
  on the year. You've got your man Matthew
• 1:03:17
  Ramsden from the UK, You've got a Callum Morgan from Joe, he's a
• 1:03:23
  super, really good alley from Joma Henry Mclucky.
• 1:03:27
  You've got really good Irish lads, Michael Murphy.
• 1:03:31
  Shit, hasn't Henry, Henry McCook, he's run like 736 or
• 1:03:34
  something. Yeah, it's and there's a Swedish
• 1:03:37
  guy, Sebastian Lord stunned, A Belgian guy, Sam Serrano and
• 1:03:43
  Fin, a British guy, Finley Prophets and you've got pretty
• 1:03:50
  yeah, big names. I don't know if I'd like I don't
• 1:03:55
  really know what shape I'm in, So I don't know if it would be
• 1:03:57
  better to like chance my arm trying to get in that a right to
• 1:04:01
  get in the international race and just hang on the back or
• 1:04:05
  whatever better off like so in that a race I could be like
• 1:04:08
  maxing it out from the start. Where is the this indentional
• 1:04:12
  strikes? Where's the a race like might
• 1:04:14
  actually like feel good and be able to kick on like I don't
• 1:04:17
  know which would be better. I have to chat with my coach
• 1:04:21
  about that, but I don't even think I'd be able to get in.
• 1:04:23
  Well, I know I've looked up one of the boys as PBS in the in the
• 1:04:26
  international race and I am faster than them.
• 1:04:29
  So I was going to ask like what the fuck is he in that?
• 1:04:31
  And I'm not. I don't know how it works.
• 1:04:36
  But he says could you please remove this guy and put me in?
• 1:04:42
  And then in the International 1500 men's one, there's Callum
• 1:04:49
  Ellison. This is stacked as well.
• 1:04:50
  International Men's 1500, you got Pierce Copeland from the UK,
• 1:04:55
  Ben Patterson from Great Britain.
• 1:04:57
  You've got Isaac Camelli from Belgium.
• 1:05:00
  No way. Mikhail Romsey from Poland.
• 1:05:04
  You've got Philip Maron from Ireland.
• 1:05:05
  I do a train with him sometimes. You've got Ted Higgins from
• 1:05:09
  Tonbridge, You've got Callum Elson, Archie Davis from Brian,
• 1:05:14
  you've got it's stacked. And is this in Dublin?
• 1:05:19
  No, this is Belfast. This is what this is like one,
• 1:05:21
  it's like 1 them graded meets the women's international.
• 1:05:27
  You've got names. Is there anyone's you?
• 1:05:30
  Ava Lloyd. She's part of M11M11 track club.
• 1:05:35
  Melissa Courtney Bryant. Few international names but yeah
• 1:05:44
  I'll try and find there's any big in the women's 3K as well
• 1:05:46
  now. That's class.
• 1:05:50
  It's probably like the first big meet of the year over here in
• 1:05:54
  the women's 3K. You've got Philly Bowden,
• 1:05:56
  actually. Lucy Jones from England, your
• 1:06:01
  woman Ryan, Fanny Zalaki from Sweden.
• 1:06:08
  Surely you'll you'll have to tap someone up for an interview
• 1:06:11
  there. I don't know, I need to
• 1:06:14
  concentrate on my own and to be honest.
• 1:06:20
  So yeah, some big names. It's a big track me over here.
• 1:06:23
  So yeah, just happy to be. I can't wait for it, basically,
• 1:06:27
  but I don't know. Yeah, Watch F Men at all.
• 1:06:31
  You're in an interview shape. Looking very good to arrange a
• 1:06:35
  few interviews. I'm confident in you now.
• 1:06:40
  What did you run last year for 3K on the?
• 1:06:43
  Indoor somewhere, not indoor. I didn't do that well, I ran 832
• 1:06:48
  somewhere last year I ran 827. So but it looks that
• 1:06:53
  international race they're going to be going out like like Henry
• 1:06:59
  Mclucky ran like 740 something in the same me I was at last
• 1:07:03
  year. So they're probably going out
• 1:07:05
  like 745 eight minutes. And so yeah, I'm like if me
• 1:07:11
  personally, I'd love to be in the international race, but for
• 1:07:14
  me in my current situation, first race the year, the A race
• 1:07:18
  might be a better option. I don't.
• 1:07:21
  Yeah, well, I'll be honest, I'm in the A race right now, so I'll
• 1:07:23
  probably have to end up on the A race.
• 1:07:26
  And when is it day and time? It is Saturday the 9th of May so
• 1:07:31
  this is already coming. I think I'm running that like
• 1:07:33
  half one. Oh, Johanna would be streamed
• 1:07:37
  now. Yeah, 100% the stream alone.
• 1:07:40
  It's been going to watch that. Yeah, be on YouTube, which is a
• 1:07:44
  link. Yeah, put it in the Patreon.
• 1:07:48
  We'll do a watch along, right? Yeah, but we could, we could
• 1:07:52
  live stream it, then commentate over it.
• 1:07:55
  Yeah. I'm tossing up whether to where
• 1:07:57
  the easy double thing that. Yes, Speaking of, they can't be
• 1:08:02
  far off too, which is good. On the way.
• 1:08:07
  They have to send a send a parcel over to you on.
• 1:08:13
  Yeah, well, if you would like to be subject to all of Owens in in
• 1:08:16
  depth race reviews and I don't buy a bicarb, I don't know,
• 1:08:21
  lactate test last week, last week.
• 1:08:24
  Did you wait to see? That on front runner.
• 1:08:30
  Oh, actually all. Right, this is double trouble.
• 1:08:33
  OK, what the fork are you doing wearing a long sleeve?
• 1:08:39
  It's cold, have you not been listening?
• 1:08:42
  Fuck no what I was I was going to take my top off but I had
• 1:08:47
  like them 2 inch split ease on so I felt like I literally would
• 1:08:51
  have been naked almost. Yeah, and then Dean, opinion on
• 1:09:00
  wearing super shoes, doing a lactate test, I'm over.
• 1:09:04
  I'm back with this and I don't know if I agree with it or not.
• 1:09:09
  What are the options? Though?
• 1:09:10
  That's probably part of the problem.
• 1:09:11
  There's probably not that many. Sort of trainer.
• 1:09:16
  You reckon on the treadmill? Trying to do a different line,
• 1:09:18
  that's what I do. I mean, that's probably.
• 1:09:20
  Smarter. Yeah, that.
• 1:09:21
  I mean, that does that makes sense?
• 1:09:24
  Because the problem is, the problem is now Ryan's head
• 1:09:28
  doesn't fit back in the door off the back of this lactate test
• 1:09:31
  because he's put his bouncy super shoes on.
• 1:09:33
  Didn't put the treadmill up by 1% either.
• 1:09:36
  So isn't there's no gradient. No, it was 1% was.
• 1:09:41
  Was it? Yeah, yeah, I noticed that what
• 1:09:43
  your assumption was you see in the numbers and went, yeah, well
• 1:09:46
  you need to put the treadmill up, you know, mate.
• 1:09:51
  If that's on 1%, then that's all right.
• 1:09:53
  Now it's just it runs a bit slow.
• 1:09:55
  Clearly it doesn't take 100%, but we will get, we'll get
• 1:10:01
  Zander on maybe next week's weekly show and we can talk
• 1:10:05
  through the results and it'd be good for, at least for me.
• 1:10:10
  You guys might have better understanding, but how just the
• 1:10:14
  principle behind LC1LC2, how you apply it to training and how it
• 1:10:18
  actually relates to threshold work.
• 1:10:21
  And like just dispelling a bit of the myth and rumor around
• 1:10:25
  threshold and lactate given we or me are a prime example of
• 1:10:31
  just throwing like these buzzwords around and maybe not
• 1:10:34
  fully understanding what it means.
• 1:10:36
  So be good for Zander to help us out with that.
• 1:10:38
  And obviously we can poke some fun at my inflated results
• 1:10:42
  whilst we're at it. I'd I'd actually go and say like
• 1:10:46
  980% of people don't have a clue what like threshold like all
• 1:10:50
  them different terms mean because I feel like they all
• 1:10:53
  nearly jumble into a lot of them just mean the same thing.
• 1:10:57
  Yeah, well, I was called out for labeling something tempo on the
• 1:11:01
  weekend as well. Interesting.
• 1:11:03
  I don't know the difference between tempo threshold for
• 1:11:05
  like, like all the I don't know. They're all sort of the same,
• 1:11:08
  but different now. Depends and people.
• 1:11:11
  Use them. People use them differently, not
• 1:11:14
  that we use them in a different order.
• 1:11:17
  Yeah, like what? What range of words would you
• 1:11:20
  use to describe the types of effort that you use?
• 1:11:26
  So I would say. Both, yeah.
• 1:11:29
  For front runner, like the way it's been explained to me is
• 1:11:32
  it's a 5 zone model. So you have like easy, then zone
• 1:11:37
  2 slash fat Max tempo, threshold VO2, they were the 12345.
• 1:11:45
  And then your training peaks normally will tell you either
• 1:11:49
  based on pace, thres relative to threshold, either pace or heart
• 1:11:53
  rate. You put that into training peaks
• 1:11:55
  and it will tell you which zone, which of those five zones that
• 1:12:00
  you to train at for a given concession.
• 1:12:03
  But is tempo not LT1 as well? Can can you?
• 1:12:08
  Often, Yeah. Well, yes, if that's yeah, yeah,
• 1:12:10
  like it's, it's yes, but it's sometimes it can be if you if
• 1:12:18
  you, but the problem is you can sometimes go that you can go all
• 1:12:21
  the way close to zone 4 I suppose, which is probably a bit
• 1:12:25
  higher than LT1. It gets a bit blurred I think.
• 1:12:28
  Is the Norwegian model A6 zone model, isn't it?
• 1:12:31
  Or something like that. Is it?
• 1:12:32
  There you go. I don't know.
• 1:12:34
  I think there's loads of different.
• 1:12:35
  There's a little. Confusing because then there's a
• 1:12:37
  three zone models very popular as well.
• 1:12:41
  But yeah, tempo I would say yeah is around that LT1 ish zone.
• 1:12:46
  But. But what I've learned from this
• 1:12:49
  already is that like I thought LT1, what did people say?
• 1:12:54
  It's around 2 millimol and LT23 millimol.
• 1:12:58
  But everyone's obviously individual and has their own
• 1:13:02
  lactate profiles, so there's no fixed number attached to
• 1:13:06
  everyone. It's purely how the numbers
• 1:13:10
  change, whether that's from like 1.11.11.2, all of a sudden 1.6
• 1:13:17
  that could be an LC-1 compared to someone might start reading
• 1:13:20
  at like 2.32.42.2. And then if it goes to 2.6, that
• 1:13:25
  could be another person's LC 1. So yeah, some assumptions I've
• 1:13:31
  probably made in the past. It just makes you realize like
• 1:13:34
  testing 1 off during a session it might.
• 1:13:40
  Yeah, not be helpful. Think that you're informing
• 1:13:43
  something, but unless you have the actual profile behind it to
• 1:13:46
  know where it sits, then probably not so much.
• 1:13:50
  It's very good observation. Very self away.
• 1:13:54
  See Dean. That's good, I like it.
• 1:13:59
  But no. But that's the truth.
• 1:14:00
  Though I think the point is because you're looking for on
• 1:14:03
  that ramp test the inflection points, right?
• 1:14:06
  And so now you go. No, it's good.
• 1:14:11
  So on mine, with how it played out, because there wasn't really
• 1:14:15
  much of an inflection, the LT1 becomes blurred.
• 1:14:20
  So Zander, he'll explain it better himself, but he uses this
• 1:14:24
  like model where he feeds the results to it and there's all
• 1:14:28
  different ways which you can interpret LT1 and LT2.
• 1:14:33
  It's not just looking at the graph and going where is the
• 1:14:36
  inflection points based on someone's curve, whether it's
• 1:14:40
  steep or flat. There's like 678 different ways
• 1:14:44
  in which you can interpret it and like make the most accurate
• 1:14:50
  because they're all guesses at the end of the day as to where
• 1:14:52
  these LT1 and LT2 actually sit. So look forward to unpacking
• 1:14:59
  that. But that leads me nicely into
• 1:15:04
  tomorrow. I'll reveal all on the No agenda
• 1:15:08
  show both we have the honour of a national record holder and
• 1:15:14
  someone who competed at the recent World Indoor
• 1:15:17
  Championships Join us for training tomorrow.
• 1:15:21
  So LC-2 shall for sure be tested.
• 1:15:25
  Your sheep Diaries, you boys have been.
• 1:15:27
  We had the conversation about this Marco Langdon.
• 1:15:31
  I said I'd try and watch it before today and I haven't.
• 1:15:34
  Can someone inform me on what he's up to?
• 1:15:38
  Basically he's Hampton Samuels big rival, but he is he somewhat
• 1:15:47
  call him a head case, but I I sort of love him as well.
• 1:15:52
  This stuff he comes out with. So basically all track, all
• 1:15:56
  access or all access track on YouTube.
• 1:15:59
  They don't they do workout videos basically on this.
• 1:16:02
  They do college teams, athletes, pro teams, pro athletes,
• 1:16:05
  whatever. And Marco Langan was last week's
• 1:16:09
  and the session was like 11 by 600.
• 1:16:11
  But some of the stuff this chap comes out, he's like a goldmine
• 1:16:15
  of, like, just quotes. He says at the start he's like
• 1:16:21
  balanced life is for people who are too soft.
• 1:16:24
  If you want to be the best, you have to go 90 percent, 95%, all
• 1:16:28
  in. He's just so good.
• 1:16:34
  Yeah. He's more of him in running to
• 1:16:37
  make running enjoyable, don't you reckon?
• 1:16:41
  Yeah, and he spawned. It's weird.
• 1:16:44
  So his college is Nike, basically Nike sport like kid
• 1:16:49
  out their college team. But he's a Deodora MILDL.
• 1:16:53
  So he's wearing like the Deodora super shoes, the Garrett Carbon
• 1:16:57
  to a shoe I'd love to try. And then he switches on their
• 1:17:00
  spikes. And Deodora also have this
• 1:17:02
  initiative going, whereas they're trying to get like the
• 1:17:05
  first high schooler to break 4 minutes in the mile in their
• 1:17:10
  spike will get like an NIL deal for the year.
• 1:17:15
  So yeah, again, he's just such and he absolutely smashes this
• 1:17:20
  workout. It's like, so 11 by 600.
• 1:17:22
  He's hitting them in one. Would it be 43 or 34?
• 1:17:34
  I think it's 144, yeah. Well, because 62nd 400.
• 1:17:41
  He's going through 63. Then that's yeah, 31.
• 1:17:47
  So that's 34. OK, yes, he's going through 134
• 1:17:51
  is consistently and then for the 5th Rep and the 11th Rep he he
• 1:17:57
  does a different. So after 150 meters, he like
• 1:18:01
  slows it right down to like just like a steady for like 150
• 1:18:06
  meters. Then he picks it back up again.
• 1:18:08
  So sort of like doing that like change of pace.
• 1:18:11
  But like after I think after like 6 reps is like it was like
• 1:18:14
  6 minimal. And but he's like he says, hey,
• 1:18:20
  the numbers don't matter. It's all about the feel.
• 1:18:23
  So yeah, I know I'd highly recommend people going to watch
• 1:18:27
  it. It's like it is such a hard
• 1:18:29
  workout, like he's going through in 60 threes.
• 1:18:31
  I think he's won 45 rest. But again, today just looks.
• 1:18:35
  He just looks so smooth. This is all solo as well.
• 1:18:38
  The title of the workout. Easiest workout ever. 60
• 1:18:43
  millimol, but yeah. Right, right to be in the bin at
• 1:18:52
  six millimol. Yeah, give it a watch.
• 1:18:59
  Is he the one who was getting interviewed those few weeks
• 1:19:02
  back? And was it actually Jonathan
• 1:19:04
  Gaul who was interviewing him? And he was like kicking off,
• 1:19:06
  kind of. Yeah, yeah, He's the one who
• 1:19:09
  died. Every race he dies on the line.
• 1:19:12
  Yeah, and isn't he who just isn't he who last week, weekend
• 1:19:19
  one was, he won the pen 4x4, the DMR. So I think they came second
• 1:19:26
  in the DM or the distance mixed relay.
• 1:19:30
  So that's where it's like 408 hundred miles, 1200 or something
• 1:19:35
  like that. That's where your man burn bomb
• 1:19:38
  baton. But then they won the four by a
• 1:19:40
  mile. Yeah.
• 1:19:43
  And yet that his school, like Villanova, has such a rich
• 1:19:46
  history in them. Pen relays.
• 1:19:47
  So pen relays for people who don't know, it's just a load of
• 1:19:51
  different types of relays for colleges and like we Dean then
• 1:19:56
  put me on to like old school ones where it's like.
• 1:20:00
  What did you think of that Villanova, the Villanova versus
• 1:20:04
  Oregon, like, because that's what it took me straight here to
• 1:20:06
  like in my mind that rate, that race.
• 1:20:09
  If they're such a unique type of race because people just slow it
• 1:20:14
  right down every time they hand the button over it, they slow
• 1:20:17
  right them because they don't want to like go out too hard.
• 1:20:20
  So it's always like a burn up over the last like lap or two.
• 1:20:24
  And yeah, it's just. Do you hear the titers in the in
• 1:20:29
  the Aussie the So Marco Langan runs for Villanova and three
• 1:20:35
  Aussies used to run for Villanova Patti, including Patti
• 1:20:38
  and Geordie Williams and name escapes me bees originally from
• 1:20:45
  WA Sam it'll come to me but and they were in there 4 by mile and
• 1:20:50
  you hear the commentators when it grinded to a halt saying it
• 1:20:53
  was a jog. Fest they literally stopped No
• 1:20:55
  OK, so people they literally going at like low 4 minute mile
• 1:20:59
  pace and then they just pull it right back to a jog.
• 1:21:02
  It's like, sorry, it's crazy. Like was it 800 meters left?
• 1:21:07
  Yeah, so because Ed Chesery out kicked Geordie Williams in the
• 1:21:12
  DMR the day. Before, yeah.
• 1:21:14
  For Oregon and that Ed Chesery referred to as King Ches because
• 1:21:18
  he just couldn't be beaten. He won everything.
• 1:21:21
  And then Geordie Williams just backed his kick in and was like
• 1:21:25
  hit and say they both both neither of them wanted to take
• 1:21:28
  it out hard and the whole rest of the field ends up catching
• 1:21:31
  them and the whole and they and they're starting to get booed by
• 1:21:34
  the crowd. And then what about the how the
• 1:21:38
  anticipation builds as the jargon and you're like literally
• 1:21:42
  when are they going to move? Like this is wild.
• 1:21:45
  Yeah. And because.
• 1:21:46
  Bucks, you're bringing other. People, yeah.
• 1:21:48
  And you're bringing other people into the race, but they're that
• 1:21:50
  confident that they'll just burn them anyway.
• 1:21:53
  And it was just, yeah, Imano, Imano.
• 1:21:55
  And I think what made it so super exciting is that burn
• 1:21:59
  bomb. You know, Oregon's like they
• 1:22:02
  pluck the best, no pun intended, but they pluck all the best
• 1:22:06
  athletes out of the out of the world, you know, the best.
• 1:22:10
  And this, this guy's what, just broken the NCAA record run 331.
• 1:22:15
  Looks like he can't be beaten. And then you've got this like
• 1:22:18
  really rough around the edges bloke that's just like, Nah, I
• 1:22:21
  reckon I can, I can do, yeah. And he does.
• 1:22:25
  The fact that they race each other like the day before and
• 1:22:28
  like sort of separate event and they have to go again the next
• 1:22:30
  day, it's yeah, it's a really, really good watch.
• 1:22:33
  And the confidence you have to have to try and think you can
• 1:22:35
  turn the tables. Yeah, I know.
• 1:22:37
  Yeah, let's go be a micro Langan.
• 1:22:43
  Give him a watch, give him a follow on Instagram as well.
• 1:22:47
  It's good quality content. Are we at double trouble?
• 1:22:51
  Did anyone have anything else before we go to the final leg?
• 1:22:56
  Yeah, double trouble. You wearing a long sleeve top
• 1:22:58
  doing a threshold test in Australia?
• 1:23:01
  Me. Me wearing a long sleeve top, Me
• 1:23:04
  wearing super shoes. Your results.
• 1:23:08
  My results being fake. I've actually I think I might
• 1:23:21
  have a couple of things in my notes.
• 1:23:22
  Let me just check. I know I've got 1 written down
• 1:23:25
  here. I will do that one.
• 1:23:27
  Oh, were you saying something about Adelaide running Festival?
• 1:23:32
  No, we covered that. Did you see saw we got gifted
• 1:23:37
  the registration plate in Kenya 15930?
• 1:23:44
  It looks class to be fair. That is pretty cool.
• 1:23:49
  I felt really weird like reading out the results earlier and it's
• 1:23:51
  like, I know two hours like whatever.
• 1:23:55
  Like the fact that he's run one hour should.
• 1:23:57
  Run a marathon? No, at the current point in
• 1:23:59
  time, because I saw that, you know, the one that finished in
• 1:24:02
  216. Yeah.
• 1:24:04
  And the comment, the first comment was, wow, 16 minutes
• 1:24:08
  slow, over 16 minutes slower than the world record.
• 1:24:10
  But that's all anyone's going to do right now.
• 1:24:12
  Yeah. It's crazy.
• 1:24:16
  It has. It has got people like talking
• 1:24:19
  about running, know who otherwise wouldn't be, isn't it?
• 1:24:22
  Like, I genuinely, I got stopped in the office by someone who'd
• 1:24:25
  like, knows that I run, but I obviously don't reveal the true
• 1:24:29
  extent of how much of A nerd I am.
• 1:24:31
  And they were like, oh, did you see that marathon?
• 1:24:33
  Like less than two hours? What the hell?
• 1:24:36
  So it's just funny, like it has caught the attention of
• 1:24:40
  everyone. The mainstream news.
• 1:24:44
  Yeah, I had one more thing before we get to double trouble.
• 1:24:48
  Two of my friends, one of them ran his third marathon.
• 1:24:51
  The other one, Ben, actually Dean, you met him whilst he was
• 1:24:54
  over, came over to Australia on a visit earlier this year, ran
• 1:24:58
  his debut marathon on the weekend in the Newcastle
• 1:25:02
  Gateshead Marathon. Rory who was run This third one
• 1:25:07
  ran painful 3 hours 47 because he ran his first 10K at 3 hours
• 1:25:17
  22 pace. And then he he was blaming the
• 1:25:21
  course saying the elevation was disgusting.
• 1:25:24
  And I cross reference back to London and it was only like a
• 1:25:27
  few meters more than London. And Ben ran a very impressive 3
• 1:25:36
  O 4 on his debut considering he'd done limited training in
• 1:25:40
  the build up. So yeah, the the masses are
• 1:25:45
  entering the marathon scene. This is too loud to would have
• 1:25:47
  otherwise been out drinking ale. Now they're doing marathons.
• 1:25:53
  It's cool now. Yeah, Double trouble I've got
• 1:25:59
  this one's been on there for a couple of weeks and some reason
• 1:26:01
  I haven't got to it. So for must have been about 3
• 1:26:05
  weeks ago the some of the Olympic tickets came on sale or
• 1:26:10
  for ballast, whatever it was, the process opened up and it
• 1:26:13
  must have been the first point at which people could actually
• 1:26:17
  see how much the tickets were going to be.
• 1:26:20
  And there was, I think there's like 12 different categories
• 1:26:23
  starting at this is in U.S. dollars like $100 for the
• 1:26:28
  cheapest 1 and goes up to may have been it was over $1000,
• 1:26:34
  maybe $1200. But as with most sporting events
• 1:26:40
  like this, the Cheaptickets have very small allocations and they
• 1:26:46
  just kind of allocate a small bucket towards them so that they
• 1:26:51
  can claim the there's $100 tickets available when the
• 1:26:55
  reality is they're the first ones that are gone.
• 1:26:57
  And then there's thousands of these like middle to upper class
• 1:27:01
  tickets and getting up to $1000 is insanely expensive.
• 1:27:09
  It's not really surprising because I'm kind of used to it
• 1:27:12
  from like with football in the UK, the regular season games are
• 1:27:17
  quite accessible, like £4050 and then all of a sudden UEFA gets
• 1:27:22
  involved with the Champions League and the tickets for the
• 1:27:25
  final where they control the prices.
• 1:27:27
  I like £500 and everyone gets priced out.
• 1:27:31
  And so it's a bit of a disgrace. Like fans hate it because all
• 1:27:36
  the tickets go to the corporate sponsors and the fans who follow
• 1:27:39
  it all year, devoting their loyalty, their cash to travel
• 1:27:45
  towards it and stuff. They end up not being able to
• 1:27:48
  get to the biggest events. And yeah, with the Olympics
• 1:27:51
  here, this narrative of expensive ticket prices, I just,
• 1:27:56
  I don't understand that. Like, running is one of those
• 1:27:58
  things where it's accessible for everyone.
• 1:28:00
  Like literally you put a pair of shoes on.
• 1:28:02
  Sometimes the Africans, they don't even wear shoes.
• 1:28:06
  You just go out the door and you start running.
• 1:28:08
  At least that's how it used to be.
• 1:28:09
  Now there's lots of expensive tech and nice clothing and
• 1:28:14
  stuff. And you can divulge in that if
• 1:28:16
  you please. But otherwise, you can still
• 1:28:19
  literally just put a pair of shoes on and go for a run.
• 1:28:21
  And that's why it's so cool. And then for the Olympics to
• 1:28:26
  start assigning all these crazy prices to it.
• 1:28:31
  I just don't agree with it. I can't imagine that's how it
• 1:28:34
  was back in the day when the Games first started.
• 1:28:36
  I don't think it's in the kind of like the nature of the sport
• 1:28:41
  or of athletic performance, but a scene in the Eric and Aisha
• 1:28:47
  podcast, which is like a part, I think it's part of city is like
• 1:28:53
  falls under their catalog. Aisha, the woman, the female
• 1:28:57
  host was kind of like promoting it, saying like, you know, this
• 1:29:00
  is the pinnacle of our sport. If we want to compare ourselves
• 1:29:03
  to like the NFL and stuff and how like these are the best
• 1:29:08
  athletes in the world. The prices deserve to be
• 1:29:11
  expensive. And I just like, I get the point
• 1:29:15
  she's trying to make in that these are the best athletes in
• 1:29:18
  the world, but that doesn't mean that the like general punters
• 1:29:23
  need to be priced out of the opportunity of going to spectate
• 1:29:27
  in person. You don't want to be creating
• 1:29:32
  unnecessary barriers to a sport which is probably in a growth
• 1:29:36
  period rather than having that crazy demand where people are
• 1:29:40
  willing to spend thousands on it.
• 1:29:45
  I thought it was a really bad take for someone with a big
• 1:29:47
  platform and lots of influence. Is America to blame for this as
• 1:29:52
  well? Like because it is in America?
• 1:29:54
  Like would it if it was in freaking like well, even though
• 1:29:58
  I think apparently in France it was pretty expensive as well in
• 1:30:01
  Paris. I just know like for the World
• 1:30:04
  Cup as well. Like the football World Cup is
• 1:30:07
  on in America this year. And apparently there's a few
• 1:30:09
  games on in the MetLife Stadium, which is in New Jersey.
• 1:30:13
  So it's like an hour train from, let's say the center of New York
• 1:30:17
  to that football stadium. And apparently like today if I
• 1:30:22
  was to go there, the train take will cost like 5 to $10.00, but
• 1:30:26
  for the World Cup it's going to cost $150.00 to get out to the
• 1:30:31
  stadium. So it's like, is it America in
• 1:30:35
  general that are causing these big price hikes or is it the
• 1:30:40
  Olympic Council and are they to blame?
• 1:30:44
  Don't know the answer, Yeah. I thought you would be less,
• 1:30:51
  you'd feel less about it even, that you just get media passes
• 1:30:54
  to all these major championships now, right?
• 1:30:58
  Well, no, no, I'm for the people.
• 1:31:04
  Can we apply? For the Olympics.
• 1:31:07
  That'll sort us out. Like definitely.
• 1:31:08
  But I'm for the people. Yeah, I don't like to see people
• 1:31:15
  getting priced out for for like, yeah, like even trying to get
• 1:31:21
  like you probably could get relatively cheap tickets to see
• 1:31:25
  freaking like badminton. Yeah, like and first round
• 1:31:28
  sessions and all that stuff. But to get like 100 meter spread
• 1:31:32
  final like no chance. Look, if they price it in a way,
• 1:31:36
  but it's still capacity stadiums and those sorts of things, then
• 1:31:39
  bike. Like happens every four years.
• 1:31:42
  It's not like this is like a big, I can see, sort of see why
• 1:31:46
  it's so expensive. You would just like for whoever
• 1:31:51
  is lucky enough to host the Olympic Games that obviously
• 1:31:54
  they they sell the stadium out and the people from that area
• 1:31:59
  are lucky enough to be given opportunity to be able to get to
• 1:32:02
  it. And then somehow they find a way
• 1:32:05
  to reward or incentivize loyalty.
• 1:32:08
  I know it doesn't really work because it's not like a build up
• 1:32:11
  series or anything, but I know the there's there must be some
• 1:32:16
  way to tap into like Diamond League databases of fans who've
• 1:32:21
  went to meet prior and offer them tickets 1st and then
• 1:32:25
  release tickets through like the individual federations or
• 1:32:28
  something and just make sure they get in the right hands
• 1:32:31
  rather than influencers getting access to them and somehow
• 1:32:35
  managing to spin it as cool. And then people with lots of
• 1:32:39
  cash would end up paying $1000 for a ticket.
• 1:32:43
  But the influencers with a big reach, do you not think that is
• 1:32:47
  better for the sport because then gets out there more like I
• 1:32:51
  was talking to Andrew about this.
• 1:32:53
  And like back in the day, the only time you'd see like an
• 1:32:58
  athlete wearing kit is on the big competitions, which is why
• 1:33:01
  athletes were paid really well to wear, let's say Adidas kit or
• 1:33:05
  whatever. Nowadays, it's the social media
• 1:33:08
  person with 300K followers on Instagram that is getting all
• 1:33:12
  the eyes. So that is why, like they might
• 1:33:15
  be the fastest, but they're going to get the kiss the eyes.
• 1:33:20
  So like, I feel like for the Olympics is like a brand or
• 1:33:26
  whatever, getting these big people with big followings is
• 1:33:30
  probably like getting Snoop Dogg.
• 1:33:32
  Like all eyes are going to be a Snoop Dogg.
• 1:33:35
  Everyone's going to know Snoop Dogg is at the Olympics, so you
• 1:33:38
  can sort of see why they sort of give it to these people as well,
• 1:33:41
  rather than us three who love the sport but don't have as big
• 1:33:46
  of a following as they are their mothers, yes.
• 1:33:50
  Yeah, it's probably somewhat of a balance, isn't it?
• 1:33:52
  Like, imagine the stadium was full of influences, probably
• 1:33:57
  like Miami F1, this weekend's probably would have been full of
• 1:34:00
  influences. And then like the core F1 fans
• 1:34:03
  who are going probably rattled to death walking around seeing
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  all these like influences. They're just there for the
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  photos and the clout and stuff. Like yes, you need them in the
• 1:34:15
  stadium. Sorry, right.
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  Did you say is it Rafael Nadal doing the chequered flag?
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  Yeah. Was he?
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  What is What is Rafa doing this checkered flag from the Miami
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  Grand Prix? They get some random people on
• 1:34:31
  that flag, to be fair. But yeah, then you also need
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  people in the stadium who are actually, like, on the edge of
• 1:34:40
  the seat, who know what performance means, who know the
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  difference between if it's 326 or 336, who are able to follow
• 1:34:50
  it as it's going and like, yeah, you know what it is.
• 1:34:55
  Go on. In the F1 world, who do you guys
• 1:34:59
  go to for some insights as to like the race takes?
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  Do you guys subscribe to any content?
• 1:35:09
  You're going to say about P1. Yeah.
• 1:35:13
  And then they're in Oz at the minute, Matt, and they're.
• 1:35:16
  Doing a tour, aren't they? I think are they coming to
• 1:35:18
  Perth? I don't know.
• 1:35:20
  I think so. I think.
• 1:35:21
  I think they are, yeah. Mate, that's how that's a
• 1:35:25
  success story of a podcast, isn't it?
• 1:35:27
  Now that the travel in the world talking about F1 nuts.
• 1:35:31
  Yeah, it's cool. And to be fair, I do enjoy their
• 1:35:34
  their takes on it. Going back to running so you
• 1:35:38
  know you're one who got the stress fracture.
• 1:35:41
  Remember, that's the. Influencer girl that Mary
• 1:35:45
  McCarthy is it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:48
  Her if you've her who has got like 300 to 500,000 subscript
• 1:35:54
  followers or Jonathan Galt who knows his shit about running but
• 1:35:59
  doesn't have a bigger following. Like who are they picking in
• 1:36:01
  that situation to give the character?
• 1:36:05
  Yeah, 100% which and it shouldn't.
• 1:36:08
  Like I can see why they pick Mary, but it shouldn't be Mary
• 1:36:10
  if you get me. It should be both really.
• 1:36:14
  Yeah, yeah, in an ideal world. What do you think about the way
• 1:36:17
  in go on? I've gone, we're going, I'm
• 1:36:21
  going off pace again though. OK, let me say this comment
• 1:36:26
  then. You say they need to find a way
• 1:36:28
  where they can give the ticket to the likes of Mary's but not
• 1:36:32
  create resentments in like the actual passionate fans.
• 1:36:36
  But about that fact. Yeah, bring both.
• 1:36:41
  Invite both. Because I think the voice of
• 1:36:43
  Jonathan Galt for a lot of people is far more insightful
• 1:36:47
  than any influencers comments. Just a tiny bit.
• 1:36:51
  Yeah. Man knows everything.
• 1:36:54
  It's speaking, yeah. And Speaking of his insights,
• 1:36:57
  what did you think? Like him taking you behind the
• 1:37:00
  scenes of what he's doing on at one of those world majors and
• 1:37:04
  what he's trying to do and think about and all those storylines
• 1:37:07
  and then the fact that the commercial stream we still get
• 1:37:10
  fed is something that he agrees is not enjoyable.
• 1:37:15
  It's a shame in this day and age that we like, there's nothing,
• 1:37:19
  There's no good alternative to consuming the rice.
• 1:37:23
  Yeah, they're still trying to work that out.
• 1:37:28
  But just put a put a dash, just put him and the brothers and the
• 1:37:32
  twins together in front of the screens, give them access to 30
• 1:37:37
  different cameras and get them to call the rice that.
• 1:37:40
  'D be so good. Wouldn't it?
• 1:37:42
  Yeah. Because that's what you you feel
• 1:37:46
  like you get with them. Going back to F1 comparison,
• 1:37:49
  Brundle on commentary. Like the sort of insight that
• 1:37:52
  those type of people can provide.
• 1:37:54
  Exceptional, yeah. Right, we've we've covered a few
• 1:37:59
  sports off tonight and we've got there.
• 1:38:01
  I think that's it is a missus fellas.
• 1:38:07
  Speak to you later in the week for the second recording.
• 1:38:12
  Good luck. Yeah, LT1LT2, tomorrow run.
• 1:38:19
  See ya, good luck this.