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Inside The Data: Who Is The Eagles' MVP From An Analytics Viewpoint? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to Inside the Data on Inside the Birds.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Mosher. I'm with our data and analytics expert
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  Speaker 1: Sam Finkel and Si. It's the final Inside the Data
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  Speaker 1: of the regular season. I imagine Sam, you're good to go
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  Speaker 1: for the playoffs, right, I'm ready? All right? Cool? Cool,
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  Speaker 1: Because you know it could be a long run like
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  Speaker 1: it was last year. It could be. So it's been
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  Speaker 1: an exciting year sort of defensively yes, offensively, data analytics
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  Speaker 1: maybe not so much. But we've really uncovered a lot
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  Speaker 1: of interesting things. And what I like about this season
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  Speaker 1: wrap up episode is, no, we're not going to focus
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  Speaker 1: on the season finale with a bunch of backups playing.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna go look at the entire season analytically as
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  Speaker 1: a whole, and you put together some really good We
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  Speaker 1: talked about it beforehand. We're not gonna go through every
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  Speaker 1: single player on the rosters like EPA per this per
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  Speaker 1: the Adorsus, we'd be here forever. But we went through
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  Speaker 1: some really vital team statistics and analytics and then also
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  Speaker 1: some individual ones that tell an important story.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, did you burn the.
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  Speaker 1: Candle at both ends for this one? Or was it
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  Speaker 1: a there's one stat I gotta I'm gonna when we
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  Speaker 1: get to it, I'm gonna say, how did you how
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  Speaker 1: long did it take you to come up with that? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: because I think you'll know when we get there, but general.
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  Speaker 2: Curious which one you're talking This would be interesting for me.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I I this was a good study.
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  Speaker 2: There were some that were a little bit surprising, I felt.
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  Speaker 2: And then honestly, a lot of it made sense from
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  Speaker 2: what we've seen, just watching what I've seen just watching,
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  Speaker 2: But some of the statistics were a little bit surprising.
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  Speaker 2: How comparable the Eagles were, especially to their opponents.
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  Speaker 1: All right, give me, just give us an appetizer, and
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  Speaker 1: when we get to it, we'll focus more in on it.
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  Speaker 1: Which category may be surprised you a little bit?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, first off, the average drive, I guess
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  Speaker 2: at first, is a little bit surprising because the Eagles
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  Speaker 2: are at two point fifty two and their opponents are
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  Speaker 2: at two fifty one, and I think what kind of
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  Speaker 2: explains that? And then the play differential is a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more, right, so the opponents at six point two
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  Speaker 2: and the Eagles are at five point seven to six,
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  Speaker 2: and I think what caused that difference to be honest
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  Speaker 2: with you, is how long it took the Eagles to
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  Speaker 2: actually get a play off. Yes, so despite the fact
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  Speaker 2: that they're calling almost one more play, then the fact
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  Speaker 2: that they have the snap off with like a second
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  Speaker 2: to go at least probably explains that. But seeing it
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  Speaker 2: actually visually was a little bit shocking at first.
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  Speaker 1: You watched the season finale, right, of course, did you
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  Speaker 1: feel that the ball got snapped and they got out
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  Speaker 1: of the huddle and snapped the ball?
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  Speaker 2: Quicker, Yes, me too, definitively, and the data shows that too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was surprised by that because I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it's only been a Jalen Hurts thing. But if
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  Speaker 1: you were, obviously to make a deduction on it, right,
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  Speaker 1: different quarterback, but obviously, and I think they ran the
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  Speaker 1: offense the same way. I mean, they were mainly shotgun
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  Speaker 1: a few under center. It wasn't like they did anything
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  Speaker 1: for formationally or strategically radically different with the backups in.
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  Speaker 1: But that did stand out to me, and it made
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  Speaker 1: me just wonder about the operation as a whole and
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  Speaker 1: maybe if there's a disconnect there, But that's that's for
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  Speaker 1: postseason discussion, and when we get to this and your
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  Speaker 1: data point, will we'll go through it more so, let's
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  Speaker 1: go let's go right ahead and see what you have
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  Speaker 1: here put together. And we always start, as we will,
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  Speaker 1: with the sort of the the opponents versus the Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: This is the recap of the entire season as opposed
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  Speaker 1: to just one game. So I guess what fascinated me,
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  Speaker 1: Sam is and I don't know if I should be
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  Speaker 1: surprised by I guess if we were doing this last year,
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  Speaker 1: I think the would have been a lot more green
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  Speaker 1: on the side of the Eagles. But because of circumstances
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  Speaker 1: this year, it's a little more split.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, but close, but.
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  Speaker 1: Close to your point, like in many average yards per
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  Speaker 1: game three eleven compared to three fourteen is what are
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  Speaker 1: we talking about? Three yards game? That's not a huge
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  Speaker 1: you know deal there.
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  Speaker 2: Right one hundred and as you can see, the stats
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  Speaker 2: that I was talking about are on the bottom of
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  Speaker 2: this chart, which I guess might as well start there
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  Speaker 2: for a section to a little bit of continuance. Sure, basically,
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  Speaker 2: also the average yards per drive is probably could be
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  Speaker 2: yellow too. It's twenty nine point three for the Eagles
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  Speaker 2: and twenty nine point four for the opponents. But the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles scored actually higher than their opponents on their drives
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  Speaker 2: at two point zero versus one point eighty one.
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  Speaker 1: So that to me is reflective of the fact that
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles had a pretty good red zone offense this year,
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  Speaker 1: a very good red zone offense this year. They didn't
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  Speaker 1: get there as much as other teams, but their percentage
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  Speaker 1: was pretty high. And then conversely, I believe I don't
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  Speaker 1: have the number in front of me. I thought the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles red zone defense was pretty good too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely was. Yeah, but yeah, that's those were
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  Speaker 2: the points I was kind of talking about. So just
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  Speaker 2: I guess with the context of that, all those data
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  Speaker 2: points explaining the average drive for the Eagles versus their
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  Speaker 2: average drive of the opponents, that was a little bit
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  Speaker 2: surprising some of it. Yeah, And I think that's probably
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  Speaker 2: I probably should have said that in the intro of
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  Speaker 2: what we were talking about, but.
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  Speaker 1: No, I only asked you to what the appetite a little.
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  Speaker 1: Now we we get right into the main course. So
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  Speaker 1: that's good, no doubt. Eagles have the ninth ninth best
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  Speaker 1: red zone defense this.
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  Speaker 2: Year, by the way, pretty good, not surprising at all.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, in fact, maybe maybe one of the slight
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  Speaker 1: improvements from last year, because if you recall, their low
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  Speaker 1: red zone defense was not great and C. J. Gardner
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  Speaker 1: Johnson was guilty of a lot of rub route touchdowns allowed,
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  Speaker 1: especially the first half of the year. But but go.
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  Speaker 2: Ahead, Yeah, absolutely, I mean there's there's a couple of
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  Speaker 2: reasons why he is no longer on the roster. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but that's that's tough. But let's let's go back to
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  Speaker 2: the top and go down. As you said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: their points four is higher than their opponents three seventy
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  Speaker 2: nine to three twenty five. The average points per game,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like what you said, the three points higher.
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  Speaker 2: Yards they opponents exceeded them, not by much. Average yards
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  Speaker 2: per game exceeded by also three yards.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: The plays they had seventy more plays their opponents. The
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  Speaker 2: yards per play Eagles actually exceeded their opponents, mostly because
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  Speaker 2: they had to. They had to make the most of
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  Speaker 2: their limited opportunities. The Eagles won the turnover battle overall.
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  Speaker 2: They lost the penalty battle. Surprisingly, no, not for anybody.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's that's got that's a really alarming stat. By
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  Speaker 1: the way, it's one of those underdiscussed alarming stats by
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a pretty significant difference. For sure.
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  Speaker 2: The opponents had about three more drives, actly three more
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  Speaker 2: drives than the Eagles at one seventy seven.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And the scoring percentage was exactly the same, which was
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  Speaker 2: a little bit surprising, especially when you look in the
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  Speaker 2: context of the average drive. And then the turnover percent
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  Speaker 2: was lower, so and that's reflected and the team total
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  Speaker 2: turnovers lost, So.
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  Speaker 1: Not only the penalty, I guess I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: be at a dead horse. We all know the offense struggled
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  Speaker 1: this year. We all know it. We all know about
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  Speaker 1: the third down issues that we'll talk about. But when
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  Speaker 1: you put these numbers side by side for an entire season,
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  Speaker 1: and you take into an account that the Eagles have
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  Speaker 1: the highest paid offense in the National Football League, one
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  Speaker 1: of the highest paid quarterbacks, one of the highest paid
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  Speaker 1: running backs, to the highest paid receivers, and even with
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  Speaker 1: the pay cut Dallas got it, are still among the
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  Speaker 1: higher paid tight ends. Right, and then of course the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line, where four of the five guys are on
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  Speaker 1: good contract extensions. You know to have been out gained
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  Speaker 1: by your opponents this year, and not because your defense
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  Speaker 1: is bad, Right, That this is not a defensive stat
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  Speaker 1: is shocking, to be honest with you. It's not shocking
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  Speaker 1: at week eighteen here or going into the playoffs because
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  Speaker 1: we've seen it all year. But if someone would have
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  Speaker 1: presented this your breakdown to any Eagles front office person, coach, fan,
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  Speaker 1: media member prior to the season and said this is
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  Speaker 1: what it's going to look like, you would have gotten
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  Speaker 1: laughed out of the building exactly. So it's worth really discussing, like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: what a drop. You know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty significant drop. And it's not just
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  Speaker 2: the statistics that show it. I mean, we have some
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  Speaker 2: more statistics that will show it. And honestly, if you
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  Speaker 2: watched any of the games or any of the film,
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  Speaker 2: you'd see it right there.
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  Speaker 1: Sure. So they finished plus six in the turnover ratio
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  Speaker 1: correct at fifteen twenty one, so they're plus six. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember how that compares to last year.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to try to see if I can quickly
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  Speaker 1: bring that up, because I thought it was it was
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  Speaker 1: really in the playoffs last year that they had a
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  Speaker 1: I think it was thirteen to four takeaway ratio. I
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  Speaker 1: can probably look that up as well. But last year
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles were plus eleven, That's what it was, plus eleven.
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  Speaker 1: They had twenty six takeaways and fifteen giveaways. So this
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  Speaker 1: year they're at plus six, so they were not as
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  Speaker 1: takeaway driven this year. As good as the defense was,
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  Speaker 1: the offense probably well, the offense turned the ball over
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  Speaker 1: just about the same time, right fifteen. When I say
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  Speaker 1: fifteen last year giveaways fifteen this year. So ye, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: fifteen this year and fifteen last year, so that's the same.
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's kind of interesting just going into
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs because remember last year, there was nobody even
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  Speaker 1: close to the Eagles in turnover differential in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: They were plus twelve. The next best team was the Bills.
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  Speaker 1: There were plus four, all right, so the Eagles at
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  Speaker 1: thirteen takeaways. The Eagles had as many almost as many
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  Speaker 1: takeaways in the playoffs in four games, right four? And
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: they play four, yeah, four games, then they had the
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  Speaker 1: entire year, Folks, that doesn't happen every year. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying that those aren't go to create takeaways here in
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs, and they very well might have another good
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  Speaker 1: takeaway year postseason, but to be that high, to have
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  Speaker 1: that many is it was a real testament to how
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  Speaker 1: well they were playing. But you can't live off that.
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  Speaker 1: My point is, Sam, and I think you would agree,
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  Speaker 1: they really need the offense to just snap out of it.
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  Speaker 1: They can't rely on flip fields and three turnovers like
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  Speaker 1: they did in the NFC Championship game. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that's that's realistic to me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And a lot of it feels kind of like
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  Speaker 2: self imposed issues right the offense. I mean the fact
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  Speaker 2: that they can't get the ball off fast enough and
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  Speaker 2: it just gives the defense an extra second to jump,
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  Speaker 2: like they know when the play is coming so they
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  Speaker 2: can time their jumps. There's just they shoot themselves in
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  Speaker 2: the foot to play. Sequencing still has not been great,
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  Speaker 2: the play calling still has not been great, The offensive
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  Speaker 2: line has not been great. So there's just things like
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  Speaker 2: that make it difficult.
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  Speaker 1: Which segues really well into our favorite stat that we
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  Speaker 1: like to look at. Your favorite is our favorite one
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  Speaker 1: to not really like to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: But it's done.
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  Speaker 1: I mean definitely, yeah, the most telling run right. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you wanted to find one
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  Speaker 1: definable stat about the Eagles offense this year, this would
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  Speaker 1: be it, wouldn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. Yeah, So I.
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  Speaker 1: Wanted to give some perspective here because we give the
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  Speaker 1: percentage of all the time, but I want to explain
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  Speaker 1: to people where they rank. So last year, as your
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  Speaker 1: data shows here, the Eagles converted forty two percent forty
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  Speaker 1: one point seven percent of their third downs. That was good,
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  Speaker 1: not great. It was tenth in the NFL. So this
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  Speaker 1: year they're about four points lower, maybe almost five, close
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  Speaker 1: of five points lower at thirty seven point one, which
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  Speaker 1: is outside the top ten. Of course, so they've really
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  Speaker 1: fallen there, sam.
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  Speaker 2: They really have.
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  Speaker 1: And their opponents have risen, Yes, their opponents have risen.
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  Speaker 1: So this is it's just all a recipe to kind
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  Speaker 1: of wonder how far can this thing really go before
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  Speaker 1: the raw data, which really can tell you who you are,
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  Speaker 1: catches up to you. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: One, it's not great. It's not great evidence really right.
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  Speaker 1: And then, of course the most damning stat of it
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  Speaker 1: all I know. We joked that in late November and December,
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  Speaker 1: when they started to win a few games, it started
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  Speaker 1: to tilt more positively. But then by the time the
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  Speaker 1: season was over, you have the Eagles just basically living
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  Speaker 1: in third and long right, one hundred and sixteen snaps
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  Speaker 1: of third and long compared to I'm gonna go with
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  Speaker 1: ninety four. My quick man tells me of third and shortened,
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  Speaker 1: third and medium combined.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy, it's not good. Yeah, it's not good. It just
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  Speaker 2: shows that, you know, they didn't really find their offensive identity.
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  Speaker 2: They really never did, and the play calling and the
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  Speaker 2: play sequencing is not setting them up well for third down.
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  Speaker 2: You can't stay on schedule if the play calls don't,
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  Speaker 2: you know, mesh, If they don't, they don't go well together. Correct,
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  Speaker 2: It's tough.
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  Speaker 1: Right now. The opponent's also in third and one long
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  Speaker 1: over one hundred times, so that's that's a good thing
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  Speaker 1: for the defense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The conversion rate at twenty five point seven is what
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  Speaker 1: you would expect when you're in third and long all
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  Speaker 1: the time. So that's good too. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the Eagles outperformed their opponents on third and
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  Speaker 2: mid and third and long because they had to most
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  Speaker 2: of the time.
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  Speaker 1: They had to. Now, maybe another under discussed, and this
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  Speaker 1: isn't nearly as big as some of the things we
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  Speaker 1: were talking about offensively, but third and short percentage opponents
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  Speaker 1: converted sixty four percent just under this year as opposed
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  Speaker 1: to just under fifty nine percent last year. So the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles not as tight on third and short as they
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  Speaker 1: were in the past as they were last year, or no, no,
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  Speaker 1: as as they are.
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  Speaker 2: I guess as the opponents.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah they're there.
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  Speaker 2: Last year data they definitely were better than fifty niner right, sure, right.
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  Speaker 1: So just another area. Uh, then we go to our
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  Speaker 1: our art year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just showing the frequency. So that's not the
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  Speaker 2: conversion rate, that's.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, just the frequency of existing in third down, which
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  Speaker 1: you know, fifty five percent of the time, so more
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  Speaker 1: often than not they are in third and long. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: when they're in third down scenarios. Yep, crazy man, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Can't say you're terribly surprised.
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  Speaker 1: I know that when we when you did this at
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  Speaker 1: one point you put other teams in the state that
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  Speaker 1: were in the same category of how often they were
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  Speaker 1: in third and long at over fifty percent, and it
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  Speaker 1: was like Cleveland, Tennessee, right, the Eagles like they were
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  Speaker 1: in the Jets and the Jets. Yeah, so this is
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  Speaker 1: what the Eagles offense data and analytically has been comparable
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  Speaker 1: to this year those teams, which is all right here, Sam,
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna go a little bit to the advanced stats
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  Speaker 1: of the offense. Now here's where there's a stat that
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, how did you How long did it take
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  Speaker 1: you to research that? Can you? Can you think about
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  Speaker 1: which one?
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not sure no.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's a stat that you yourself sort of created
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  Speaker 1: before the fact. Yeah, in that time before pressure, that
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles ranked twenty fourth means to me that you
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  Speaker 1: had to take your ID the formula and apply that
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  Speaker 1: to the thirty one other teams.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah I did. I did. It was easy. I just
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  Speaker 2: exported the data into an Excel spreadsheet and then just
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  Speaker 2: did the did it and then rank them.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, I got to hang out with you more. I really,
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  Speaker 1: I probably am now having you described that, Like I
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  Speaker 1: know I could know to do it, but wouldn't think
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  Speaker 1: to do it. So I would literally probably just go
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  Speaker 1: to each team and be doing the mathematic and it's
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  Speaker 1: just a simple, right, like addition or subtraction.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah it was.
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  Speaker 1: But yet nonetheless, if of a spreads sheet can do
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  Speaker 1: it for you in ten seconds, then I suppose that's
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  Speaker 1: a lot easier.
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  Speaker 2: But I would that was super easy. But I wanted
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  Speaker 2: which is okay, I could have done time to throw
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  Speaker 2: and time to pressure as ranked, and I decided not
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  Speaker 2: to because I think you need them combined to really
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  Speaker 2: comprehensively understand, And that's why I created the stat They're
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  Speaker 2: really advanced statistic of net time before pressure. Regardless, I
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  Speaker 2: just thought that it would be more compelling to show
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  Speaker 2: that part of it.
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  Speaker 1: So fair, and what what do you make of the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles being minus point zero two there? I would imagine
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  Speaker 1: if you did this last year, the number would be positive.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it would be positive last year.
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  Speaker 1: I have all the sacks that he took, maybe or yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But also like he is a natural extender. He's not
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  Speaker 2: quite Matt Patrick Mahomes, but a lot of the time
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  Speaker 2: buying time for himself, right, And what constitutes a pressure
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: is not always an objective metric. Fair, So I think
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: that that is partially part of it, but at the
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: state to the same degree that it's not necessarily a
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: bad thing. Now, this is a negative statistic. It means
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: that you know you're throwing while pressured, which is not great.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: But I mean, if you're extending the play and making
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: the most of it, it's it's it's palatable. I guess
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I would say.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Right, I mean some of it to your point, as
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: you're inviting the pressure by holding on. It's not like
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: your offensive line has been terrible right in past, bro,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: But because of that, you've given your receivers a little
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: extra time to get open. And obviously that that that's
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: the case with Jalen a lot of times.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Exactly, So it doesn't necessarily scare me. See that's a
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: negative number, and honestly last year's statistic probably also was negative.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: True. I'll give a great example the Bills game. One
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: of his best throws was that roll out to the
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: right where he hit Aj Brown right on the right sideline.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I think it was a third down two. Do you
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: remember that that throw? I do, yeah, zip past the
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: ear of the defender and right into AJ's hands. That
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: that's an example of probably probably was over three seconds
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: on how long he had the ball, and there was
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: some some pressure just because he was rolling and the
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: defense was going his way, but you know, he zifted
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: in there and it made a positive play out of it. Yeah.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Just so you know, the time to pressure last year
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: was two point eighty four, okay, and the time to
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: throw was three point h five, So actually it was
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: minus point two to one.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Wow, so I got a little You're right, it was
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: comparable or a little bit better even, right.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So, which is kind of what I expected, because
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I think that's just kind of what you get with
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, the EPAS, I mean we've sort of joked about
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: at some point by the end of the year, they
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: were probably all going to be negative. And now it's
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: not a joke.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a joke anymore. Thing is that most
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: offenses were negative. I mean they were thirteenth in EPA
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: per play correct at negative zero point zero three.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Right, right, it's not it's yeah, this is not the
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: worst offensive league. It's just an average offense.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's also very interesting that the average offenses
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: are still negative, you know, Yeah, you know that.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: That's a great point, Sam, and it really invites this
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: discussion that we can probably have some other time, or
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: who are the best offenses in your mind that come
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: to the league as far as just being prolific. How
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: many how many prolific offenses do you think there are
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: in the NFL this year?
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Probably three?
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Right? Like the Rams, right, the I guess the Patriots
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: are somewhat prolific offensively Yah is an MVP candidate. I
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: think the Cowboys probably have been prolific offensively. They've scored
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of points this year.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: So you just named one, two and five on the
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: EPA per play.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: By the way, okay, the fact that the Cowboys, of
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: a losing record are in the time, I guess the
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Cowboys are fifth. I'm guessing, or okay, who's the third?
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: By the way, the Buffalo Bills.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Bills, which, by the way, they are not a great
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: offensive team. This is actually going to prove my point
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: more so than I even thought, because they have like
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: two playmakers, Josh Allen and their running back. Right, they're
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: their weapons or just pedestrian. But how many awesome defensive
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: teams are there? There's the Broncos, There's the Texans, There's
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: the Eagles, right there is the I'm forgetting an obvious
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: one in the NFL. Oh, the Packers defense has been
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: excellent this year. So Arsons are without him, mostly with him,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: but I mean they were pretty I mean they've been
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: a little banged up. Obviously, Jordan Love not playing the
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: last few games changes their offensive calculus. But in general,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I think that Jeff Affley has done a great job
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: the Seahawks, thee oh h, how did I not mention
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the Seahawks and even the Rams at times have been
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: stifling defensively. So I think that makes sense to me
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: that a negative EPA is gonna be average and most
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: teams are in negative because I just think it's more
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: there are better defenses this year than there are offenses.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Well, can you guess how many offenses are have a
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: positive epauh.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: That's a great question. So if the Eagles at point
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: three minus point three r thirteenth, I will say six.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: The answer is nine, nine, okay, and ten if you
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: include zero because the Broncos of zero.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, so yeah, let's call it ten. Ten don't
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: have a positive one then, right or not? No, the
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Broncos are at zero, so we'll kind of count that
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: as a negative because it's not positive. So that means
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: twenty four of the thirty two teams. I'm bad at Matt,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: twenty three of the thirty two teams have a negative
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: or neutral EPA. Yeah, perfect is that's the defensive ahead
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: of the offense this year.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: The way it is, it really is. But what's even
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: more interesting is there is no team like the cut
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: fall off from the Broncos to the next team up,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: which is the Bears and the Colts is zero to
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: plus point zero three. Wow, So I think that's interesting too.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: That is very interesting, all right, good stuff. That was
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: a good, good, good kind of contextual information. Oh if
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: we forgot to getting the running game here. So hmm,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: average separation three point four that's just not great. I
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: mean seventeenth for the firepower that the Eagles have, and again.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: That's when targeted, When targeted, that's an important context. Yeah,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: it's not scheming, guys, open, I agree.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I think that's that's also more about the offensive scheme
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: right now, and than there's about any individual player.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: And you know what's sad. The best stat on here
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: is the fact that they faced a stacked box, the
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: fifth most. That's that's there's no other stat in the
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: top ten.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Right, so they faced only four teams faced more stacked
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: boxes than the Eagles this year. Yes, well that kind
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: of explains the run success being way down. They're obviously
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: facing a lot more guys in the box. Yeah, and
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: then middle of the pack as far as light box.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: So very interesting stuff, all right, may get through some
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: great passing stats.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: What jumps out of you on Jalen Hurst's passing stats.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: You know, I think I have to go to CPOE.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a statistic that Hurts led the league
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: in last year, and I think a lot of it.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I like to always talk about how this is not
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: just a Jaalen Hurt statistics. So first off, let's just
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: go over what CPOE is again. So basically what it is,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: it takes your completion percentage and it does what an
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: expected quarterback would do is completion percentage. And if you
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: do better than what's expected based on the algorithm that
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: they have, then you would have a positive CPOE. And
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: so what that what actually counts for that is if
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: a quarterback makes a tough throw and the receipt makes
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: a tough catch. So it's a statistic that accounts for,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: you know, the incredible playmaking, particularly of DeVonta Smith. I
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: think it more than really anyone else, but also aj
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Brown and really any of their pass catchers and Jalen
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Hurts putting the ball in a good spot. Yeah, but Hurts,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: who led last year in CPOE, is ninth this year
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: in CPOE, which I think he really can see in
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: the gameplay something I'm interesting in that I'm going to
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: check is what his actual CPOE was last year that
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: he led the league in, because I think that context
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: kind of matters. So while I pull that up, is
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: there anything that stood out to you?
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Well, it's just sort of fascinates me that in a
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: year where he has twenty five touchdowns, which I believe
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: was his most of his career, he gives you a
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: passer rating of ninety nine, which I think is a
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: little higher than his career passer rating as well, that
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: he would make strides like that, but then we would
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: see dips in other categories, which again are not just
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: all jail. It hurts like CPOE is. I think the
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: scheme coaching, all that the play calling puts that into account.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I just I find CPOE and those kind of over
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: expectation stats fascinating SAM because they have to be more
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: subjective than other analytical stats, because it's not like it's
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: the same person who created the formula judging every single
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: NFL pass every week. This army of people who are
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: in charge of deciding what kind of pass is completable,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: easily routine and what kind of pass is not. And
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: if it were the same person then at least, if
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: you said you could say, well, I don't know if
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: this person does anyth about football, but at least it's
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: this person's grading for every single place. So whoever's number one,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: you could say they're one because this guy saw a
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: person saw saw at all, Like I don't. I would
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: love to just get more into how the formula works
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: and how people abide by the formula, the ones who
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: were supposed to be judging the passes. But that has
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with Jaalen Hurts. It's just my how
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: my mind works on the stat by itself.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I want to know the heuristics that they use for sure. Yeah,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: but Jalen Hurts last year it was more than double CPO.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: He was at six point three percent.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I had a feeling it was pretty I thought it
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: was seven or eight, but yeah, six sounds right.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and his EPA per drop back dropped significantly from
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: last year.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: His e PA per drop back last year was point
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: one two.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's pretty big to grow to point oh one
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: from point point what one two? Yeah? Point one two,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: that's pretty that's pretty big. By the way, the interceptions
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: it says he's ranked six with six I'm assume that
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: you mean that's the sixth fewist amongst start.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Correct, right, Okay, Yeah, and all the statistics I rank
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: it as in like what would be positive or prevalent
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: if it's not, it's not like a you know, this
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: is a good stat it's like what you face the most. So, right,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: it'll always be framed in that vehple.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Right, So they're all the whatever best. That's the ninth
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: most touchdowns, the sixth fewest interceptions, it's twelve best passer
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: rating exactly. So let's get into your Jalen Hurts scrambling
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: stats because I have a question about it, but I
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: want you to introduce the concept and the information first. Yeah.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: So this was one of the NFL Pro statistics that
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: it gave him. The Insights page of the Eagles, Jalen
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: hurt scrambled on a career low nineteen point eight percent
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: of his dropbacks this season, with eighty point nine percent
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: of his dropbacks ending inside the tackle box, the second
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: highest rate of his career. And then they also gave
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: some statistics about throwing inside the tackle box versus throwing
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: outside the tackle box. When Hurtz throwed through inside the
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: tackle box, he had a sixty eight point seven percent
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: completion percentage, twenty two touchdowns, four interceptions. When he threw
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: outside the tackle box, he had forty six point seven
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: percent p leiction a percentage, three touchdowns and two interceptions.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I think that part of it is pretty You know,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: when you're inside the tackle box and you're well protected,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: you're going to complete a higher percentage your passes, throw
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: more touchdowns when you're running outside the tackle box. I
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: think everybody gets the vision when you think of Jalen
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Hurts outside the tackle box, you think of him rolling
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: to the sidelines and then throwing it out of bounds.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: That's that was like a staple of their offense.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, this year they call uh, you know, spread right,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: roll right, throw out of bounds right.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: And unfortunately he also took some sacks this year because
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I think he thought he was ahead of the line
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: of scrimmage when he ran out of bounds, but he
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: was behind it. And that was kind of annoying because
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: all he had to do was just throw it out
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: of bounds, but he didn't.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Sure a little bit of awareness issues there.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: But so my question, and you may not know, because
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: you know this is an NFL pro stat So when
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: it says he scrambled on a career low nineteen point
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: eight percent of his dropbacks, do they separate scrambling from
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: designed runs on a top back? Okay, yes, so that's
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: really interesting. These are scrambles. So Jalen Hurts has been
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: asked a lot this year Sam about why he has
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: run less, and he constantly talks about I don't think
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: he's trying to throw him an the bus, but he says,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: you know, the coaching, the play calling. You know, he's
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: mentioned Kevin Bittulo in that. But Kevin Bittulo can call
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: design runs, but he can't call scrambles. He can't say, hey, look,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I want you to not hit your first two progressions
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and then run right. That's that's not how it works.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: So this is a Jalen Hurts stat This is a
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: this You only put it on Jalen Hurts And I
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not saying that's a good I'm not
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: putting a positive or a negative on it at all.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying he has consciously, for whatever reason, not
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: scrambled as much as he used to. And if you
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: were to ask him about this and take the play
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: calling out of it, the design run out. I would
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: love to hear him answer that, because he always seems
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: to a so the question under the umbrella of designed
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: run not scramble.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Sure, And this honestly is reflected an EPA per drop
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: back too. By the way, it's probably part of the
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: reason it's so low hm, because scrambles are reflected in
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: EPA per drop back, but designed quarterback runs are not.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's interesting. Okay, good, I'm glad that those
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: are separated.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Because a drop back is a passing statistic correct, And
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: so honestly, the way we charted it when I was
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: at Penn State is we put it as a P
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: for pass and then Q for quarterback scramble. Uh. We
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: would this is kind of getting off topic, but we
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: would put p I for an incomplete pass, PC for
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: a completed pass, and PQ for scramble. That's how we
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: charted those kind of plays. So I have pretty much
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: anything you find will have a similar style, like a
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: scramble counts as a drop back in a pass.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: And this was during the Trace mcsorly era.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: This was it was trace, but it was more sean oh.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Sean, okay, well, either, I mean kind of similar in
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: that you didn't know what you were getting whenever.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: They dropped back and Will Levis too, Okay, well that's
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Well he could run. I mean he was a run athlete,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: but he was more of a pocket guy. Yeah. All right,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: So let's get into some of your notable individual stats.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the obvious one is two thousand yard receivers.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: We talked about that last week. Yep, but you know
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: it actually happened for DeVonta Smith. Now what did he play?
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Like nine snaps and to make it happen or something
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess health didn't matter for that. Uh, Resting
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: sures didn't matter when there was a thousand yards on
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the line. Yeah.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Actually, I kind of want your take on that. Do
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: you think they should have rested?
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I think you you clearly have not been listening to the
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds postgame show or anything else. Sam. I
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: would have been sorry, you've been busy. So I I
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: really tried to, like a good journalist, objectively look at
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: it from both sides. I I felt still that a
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: second home game in the playoffs is enormous, So I
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: would have personally, if you're just asking me if you're
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: taking context out of it, right, what would you do
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: in this situation? Okay, I would say I would go
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: for the two seeds or at least for a half,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: and then you know, if it's a blowout, like the
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Texans did. They just pulled their starters when they realized
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville was blowing out. I think it was the Colts
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: or whoever they played. No, no, they were playing the Titans,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I think. But I think Nick Sirianni is a smart guy.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I think he's a good coach. He has some flaws,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: but he's a really good coach. And what he did
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: is a signal to me of him saying, you guys
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: know my team's beat up, but you really don't know
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: how beat up my team is. You don't know about
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: my left you know about my left guard, you know
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: about my center, you know about my right tackle, you
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: know about my defensive tackle. Right. You know, because they've
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: been injured or coming out of games, but you really
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: don't know what it's like to get them prepared to
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: play every single week. So I don't think Nick Sirianni
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: did it just because, you know, like because I like
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: rest a little bit more. I think in other scenarios,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: if he had a healthier team, right, he may have
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: gone for it could be wrong, but I think his
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: actions reveal just how much he felt that resting those
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: guys that I mentioned especially would help them for a
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: playoff game. And he's probably got a pretty good as
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: he should because his road record not in the playoffs,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: but his road record in a way bigger sample size
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: of regular season is phenomenal. That he felt like he
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: can go win a road game with a healthier team.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: So I get it. I wouldn't have done it. I
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: get it, But I will say, if I was gonna
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: do that, then I'm not going to play DeVante Smith
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: just to get him.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: And then does it reveal context for last year when
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Saquon could have broken the record? Like interesting, I made
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: that point critical, I don't know.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Well, the counterpoint that's been made to me, because everybody
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: has to make everything apples to apples even when they're not,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: is that, well, if you played Saquon last year, then
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: you have to play your offensive line. And I'm like, okay,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I get that. I understand. The bottom line is health, right,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: just health. You want healthy teams, So why would you
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: even jeopardize a wide receiver who by the way on
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: that last catch, got sandwich between two defenders while he
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: was reaching up high. I know he didn't get hurt.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: He could have. You exposed him to it. And AJ
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Brown got hurt at the end of the twenty twenty
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: three playoffs. Now they had to play right because they
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: were actually battling it out for the division with the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Cowboys of the game to the Giants, and then I
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: think you do think they started to pull guys as they
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: were losing. But AJ Brown got hurt, and so it
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: just shows you it could have happened.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: And cal Kata got hurt on a hip drop tackle
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: and that was Goddart. That would really hurt the offense.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: So I would understand.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Three guys, now, you're you tooth got hurt? Right, Well,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: what if that was what if that was your center?
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: What if it was camp Jurgan's right. So by the way,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Brandon Johnson got heard, he's on ir now and that
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: was your safety? What if it was Apps? Yeah, So
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: again I understand for those reasons, I understand why he
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: rested his starters, but then I don't understand why he
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I also understand why he played Jylex Hunt and Jordan
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Davis for as long as he did it, it sort
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: of felt like a half tank half not tank, and
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: that Yeah, I don't like mixed messaging. I'm hey, listen,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I may not agree with your coaching decision, but if
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: you are one hundred convicted in it, okay, then I'm
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: going to get As a journalist, I'd give you the
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt as long as I think you
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: did it with conviction and with good sense. Like I said,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I understand why he rested the guys he rested, but
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: don't then don't halfway.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I just thought that was I agree with you completely.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I think that's that's I think the frustration for me
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: lies in that. All right, good stuffs, but let's go
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: into the statistics. You know, A J. Brown nineteenth and
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: receiving yards DeVonta Smith's seventeenth. There's a five yard difference
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: between them. So it's interesting that there's you know, it's
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: the way DeVonta Smith was sixth in receiving EPA in
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: the NFL fifty two and a half. Goddard was second
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: in touchdowns for all past pass catchers. Do you know
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: who's number one in touchdowns in the NFL.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: In for all pass catchers? Or just tight ends all
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: pass catchers. Number one in touchdowns yep, who led the
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: NFL in touchdown catches? What is it a name that
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: like was shocking?
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: No?
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, uh, it's not.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: It wasn't Puka, right, it was not Puka.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: But was it Tremick Ride?
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Nope?
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Was it? Was it Jackson Smith in Jigba? No, he
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: only had like seven?
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: I think think I think Rams, keep thinking Rams.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Was it Devanta Adams?
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I know, he had a billion, like two and three
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: yard touchdowns.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I think he set a record for like you who
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: also had a billion two or three yard touchdowns? Dallas
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: got Alas got it?
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Yes he did. By the way, this number is like
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: the one reflection of or the reflection of the one
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: thing of the Eagles offense that evolved since last year,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: which was the low red zone offense. I thought they
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: did a really good job of creating schemed plays to
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: get Goddard open and then they just get there. Yeah yeah, right,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: that's the problem. They just don't get to the red
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: zone enough. But when they did, they really used Goddard
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: creatively as they should.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley was first in average separation in the NFL.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: When targeted. I don't know what that like. That doesn't
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: mean much to me, but it was.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I was looking through the stats and I saw that.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, that's really funny. Well, because he
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: always would like get behind guys and they wouldn't notice,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: and then hurts would either hit him or just misfire. Yep,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: that's funny. Now.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: The notable rushing hurts was six and rushing yards for
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: QBS or twenty one fourth and rushing touchdowns for QBS
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: at eight. I think Trevor Lawrence was ahead of him,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: which I was a little bit like.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Huh, dude, Trevor had an amazing second half. I gotta
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: gi him a lot of credit.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: But I mean when he I'm not saying Lawrence doesn't
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: have wheels, but I mean compare arratively, it hurts. It's yeah,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: lit surprised. Saquon Barkley for his down year is tenth
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: in the NFL, by the way, at eleven hundred yards,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: eighteenth and touchdowns with seven eighth and ten plus yard rushes,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: twenty eight and third and twenty plus mile an hour runs.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: So he can still get to that second level if
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: you just give him the lane he'll kick it into
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: that gear. Yeah. By the way, tenth in rushing yards,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: fifth in rushing attempts per game. That's kind of interesting.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: They did not, so so you can sort of make
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: the argument that Eagles were kind of running, running into
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: that brick wall. They were hell bent on running.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: They were, and it was not very effective.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: It was not.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, like, for a down year for
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Saquon and he's still top ten, like I he is ten.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I mean it's not.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: It's not like six, but you know, right, yeah, Now
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: there is a real incriminating stat here on the offensive
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: line that is sort of obvious but also not obvious because.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Would it happened to be a guard on the Philadelphia
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Eagles that you're referring.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: To, Yes, it would happen to be Would it happened.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: To be a guard that played particularly well in most
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: of his career and got hurt in the preseason, it would.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: It would be five sacks for a guard, right, Because
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: we always talk about interior linemen and their pressure rates
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: and stuff, they usually have help. Now, now, maybe Jurgen's
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: probably helped Steen out more when when it's a four
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: man rush than Dickerson. But still five sacks and seven
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: quarterback hits is just a lot.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, he hasn't been healthy. I honestly don't think
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: I think he should have been talking about health. I
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: think he should have been rested way earlier for a
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: And it's hard to win. So this is a This
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: is the point Adam and I were making on post
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: game when we were really talking about depth. Okay, this
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: has been the thinnest offensive line for the Eagles in years. Right,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Rod Johnson's thumbwell at tackle, but you know, prior not
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: so great Tooth had one good game where they sort
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: of used him in a certain way to get him
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: outside and the athleticism. But I don't know that you
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: could win if you had to play four or five
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: games with Toth at left guard while you also don't
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: have Lane Johnson at right tackle. I just don't know.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: This isn't like twenty seventeen to me, when you could
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: pull Steph Wznowski out and you can pull a big
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: V out and make it to the Super Bowl. That's
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: a big thing for me. That in the off season
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: for this team.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: But you do that early, you do that in the
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: first three weeks. You give him the three weeks to
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: heal and then he'll be all right.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Do you think that they felt that just because he's
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: coming off a surgery, that he's just going to naturally
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: get better and strong, like he doesn't have an injury,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: he's just coming off one. He's also he's also bigger.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I think I think he's got to trim down in
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: the off season, and that might have been because of
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: the knee surgery. You can't do as much. Cardio can't
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: stay in shape. And I do kind of get the
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: point of like, even if our starter is seventy percent
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: of what he is, he's still better than our backup.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of coaches think that way.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: I understand the sentiment. But if you have an opportunity
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: to get him to ninety percent by resting him two games,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: I think you do it. I think that was the
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: obvious thing to do early. Now, hindsight is always twenty twenty. Yeah,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: so I get it, But I don't know. That's that's
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: just my thought. I'm surprised Jurgen's stats are as good
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: as they are based on the film that I've agreed.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: I know his run blocking hasn't been great, but.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I was just about to say I didn't. I don't
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: is there a run blocking metric or analytic because I
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: would also.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Wish there was TFF grades, but we both know how
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: we feel about those.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, there's no real good run blocking statistic
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: that I've been able to find.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Yet, because it would really be interesting to also see
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: the tight ends in this, because I don't think Goddard
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: has been the blocker that he's been in the past,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: and certainly we know Greg Helkatra is not a good blocker,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: and they just don't use cam lots that much. So
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: way we go, all right, we wrapped it up the
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Eagles offense. Let's get into some some positive stuff. The
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Eagles defense sam a lot of a.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Lot of top ten statistics here, a lot of top
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: five statistics here. They're fifth in EPA per play at
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: minus zero point one four, which is so interesting. Like
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: we were talking about how there's just better defenses this year,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: but it's just such a staggering difference. You know, they
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: were minus what zero point zero one or zero point
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: zero three? Uh the offense. They were minus zero point
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: zero three on the offense, and that was that was
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: ranked as the thirteenth best offense and in defense to
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: be the fifth best defense. They're minus zero point one.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Four crazy crazy, And I would I bet if we
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: had did like a halfway mark one compared to now,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: the numbers would obviously be not as good for the Eagles.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: They really came. It seemed like the two things that
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: came together at the right time with the trade for
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips. Well, I'll say the three things Jaalen Phillips
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: trade at the same time. I think the next game,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: or maybe that game, Nolan Smith came back from i
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: R and Nikobe Dean coming back, so he's playing at
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: the level that he played at was just unbelievable.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Oh and getting Brandon Graham to come out of retirement
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: and then somehow every time he touches the field it
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: turns to gold.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: That is true the Brandon Graham odometer that we do meter.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: But yeah, no, And honestly, the strength of his team
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: is their past defense. It is one evident there. You know,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: they're second in past defense in e PA and then
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: thirteenth in EPA per rush. So I mean their run
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: defense is good, not great, but their past defense is elite.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: It is elite Yeah, it's it's incredible.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: So the blitz percentage says it, all right.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah eight, they're thirty second, they're the least likely team
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: to blitz, and yet their sack percentages fifteenth and their
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: pressure percentages thirteenth.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty good. That's that's got the Vic Fangio
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: signature written all over it because it's funny. Again, just
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: to show you the difference. I remember writing a story
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: for Philly Voice around October, like maybe week five, week six,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: and Vic blitz percentage was in the upper twenties. It
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: was high. It was for him it was higher, and
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: he was the upper twenty I think it was at
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: like fourteenth highest in the NFL at one point, and
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: at the end of the year he's back down to
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: the lowest.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a Vic Fangio seal of approval for sure.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: So the Eagles led the NFL in average separation on defense,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: meaning when a receiver was targeted or a pass casher
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: was targeted, that on average, they had the least amount
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: of separation in the.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: NFL correct blanketed.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. That's really awesome for for a long time
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Eagles fans who have grown accustomed to Eagles always having
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: good pass rushing stats but not great secondary stats. This
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: is just unbelievable, right, I mean, it's been just it's
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: just so long that the Eagles have had let alone
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: one but two really good defensive backs, you know, a
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: pro type.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: It's very unusual.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: So that's cool.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: We're not gonna complain.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Now, what do you make of the run defense statistics
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: being really so? Again, this is you always rank things
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: on best to worst. So they are the twenty ninth
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: best run stuffing team, which means they're the third worst
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: run stuffing team in the league.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's you can just look down one
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: column and you'll see why they run the least amount
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: of stacked boxes and the most amount of light boxes, right.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: And I think when you do that, you're committing to
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: the pass more often than not, and you're gonna they're
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: gonna let up some yards in the run defense. And
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: I think they're okay with that, right. I think that
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: it's it goes to we want you to throw on us.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: That's that's the mentality because you can't.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Right. We're very confident they can stop the run out
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: of Nickel.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: But that's why this team, if their offense got together,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: they would be unstoppable.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: God.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they They are really good at playing with the lead.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: They're really good at playing with the lead. They're not
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: great when the team has the lead on them.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Right, And that's what I think, by the way, makes
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: this matchup against the Niners. It just adds an extra
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: layer of interesting subplot because we all know that the
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Niners are historically awful when a they they trail, and
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: b if they're down by like a touchdown or more
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: going into the fourth quarter, it's like an automatic loss.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Kyle Stanahan's teams are built to play with the lead.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: So if the Eagles can score early, get ahead early,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: they it's such a huge advantage for them. But also
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: to your point here, Sam, the forty nine will put
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: a fullback on the field. They'll put your running backs
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: or put your tight ends. They will try to dictate
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Vic playing base defense and stack box, but he doesn't
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: do it. So I'm very curious to see if Vic says,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I don't care what personnel you're throwing out there, we're
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: going to stay in nickel. That'll be very interesting.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: The offense needs to do Fangio a favor and get
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: points on the board because it'll open up the defensive
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: playbook for Fangio and it'll be able to actually do
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: things he wants to do, and he's comfortable with that,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: the personnel is comfortable with I'm not saying they can't
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: do it, because they can and they will, and they
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: have and they should. But it is to the same
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: degree the Eagles offense has to pull their weight. They
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: have to, they have to one hundred.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. Great stuff, all right, some notable
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: defensive stats.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: You're probably looking at this and saying why some of
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: the text blue or purple ish.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I was a little curious, is a clickable or something?
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: But no, it's not. So I really wanted to differentiate
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: where when I was getting stats from different websites. I
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: defer to PFF a lot of the time in sacks,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: and we've talked about this before. The NFL pro statistics
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: are better in almost every way in my opinion. I
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: love them. The things that they don't get right are
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: they do nearest defender for passing stats, which I don't
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: think is very reflective because it doesn't take an account
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: your actual responsibilities, right, And I'm not saying PFF does
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: a significantly better job at that, but it does do
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: a better job in my mind. And then also sacks
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: PFF doesn't believe in half sacks, and I kind of
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: agree with that, not kind of, I do agree with that.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I don't think half sacks should be a thing I
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: think which does artificially inflate the AC count. So like,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: for instance, Jalo's hi, I think it's at six and
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: a half sacks on NFL pro But to me, like,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I just don't. I think that's an antiquated way to
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: look at sacks. I think if you cause the sack,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: you should be credited for the sack, even if it's
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: just partially. And we've talked about this before, and I'm
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: sure people some people agree, most people probably disagree. That's fine,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: but I at least wanted to be consistent and objective
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: and you know, at least describe when I'm using different statistics.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: So that's why in this instance there's some blue purple
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: text and some black text.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: All right, Hey, I like it. I like you. You're
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: just introducing it. What you hope to be is a
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: less I guess it's not the word biased, but or
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: at least a more clear way of looking at something.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: H and so it's really more for the viewer and
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: the listener than anyone else. I just journalistic integrity, you
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: know that, stuff like that. But Jelex Hunt led the
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: team in sacks seven, He led the team in quick
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: quarterback pressures fourteen, third on team, and stops at thirty four,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: and lead team in interceptions at three. So your edge
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: is leading your team in interceptions is very It's an
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: interesting statistic. If I told you this at the beginning
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: of the season, I don't think you'd believe me.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: In the olden days, there'd be like a kangaroo court,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: right and Quinnon Mitchell and Cooper de Jean and Adorri Jackson.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: They would have to like put money in a jar
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: for losing out. Uh, the interception lead to a defense
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: to an edge player, you know what I'm saying, Like
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: that's the old days. But it does speak to how
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: how good j Alex Hunt has been this year. He's
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: he's been a year ahead of schedule since he got
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: to the team, since he was a rotational player on
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl team last year who was productive.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I mean when they drafted him, we thought maybe this year.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: By the end of this year, he would just start
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: playing and see and now he's an establ but he's
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: a starter and then good with this guy.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: He was a raw project, right, that was the whole Right,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: that's why he fell. Yep, but no, you know the
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: former safety is he's doing all right? Yeah, we got
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: those ball skills.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: You know, Carter we could talk about for a while,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: but we'll just talk about some of the statistics. Uh,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: he's tied third in the NFL and batted passes and
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: so is Jordan Davis by the way, they both are
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: tied third, and that's amazing at six. Yeah, Carter is
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: tied sixteenth in the NFL and turnover is caused by
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: pressure at two.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, so his pressure led to an interception or fumble.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: You know what's interesting is I believe there's another person
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: on the team that is also has that statistic. Yes,
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Jalen Phillips also is tied sixteenth in the NFL and
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: turnovers caused by pressure.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Now are those combined with his mind or just as.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: An Eagle coined with what would be very much more impressive.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: I'd say, uh, if it was just the Eagles, And
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: then Carter is also second on team in quick quarterback
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: pressures at thirteen. Anything you want to say about Carter
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: whiould we go to more?
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that the fact that he was tied
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: for third and batted passes, which you know, well, I
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: won't go into the obvious, but he had two bumped shoulders.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, you got you gotta get your hands up,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: arms up to bat these passes down, and he was
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: dealing with shoulders which he said at one time it
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: was difficult to even do a push up. So pretty impressive.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: There, very much So all right, Moro Jomo second on
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: team in sacks, especially at interior defensive line. That's impressive.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's had a nice year. I don't think he's
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: the run defense or the as complete of a player
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: as Milton Williams, but you know he's also a sixth
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: round pick, right, I mean he's he's more than adequately
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: filled that role that Milton Williams lost.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. Couldn't set it better myself. But
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: you know who has really stepped up this year more
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: than they were given credit at the beginning. Jordan Davis. Yeah, again,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: tied third in the NFL and battered passes at six
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: and then second on team and stops fifty eight and
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: twenty seventh in the NFL.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Right, so stops is like your total of what tackles sacks,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: like any play that.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Is negative EPA and he epa.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Right, tackles for lost, things like that, good stuff.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Nolan third on team and win percentage. I really had
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: to struggle to find statistics for Nolan Smith.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he had a tough you know, he's
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: came back from the triceps injury from the Super Bowl,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: then he reaggravated it, missed a lot of time. He's
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: come back, he's been in a rotation. I think he's
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: played okay, he's done well, but he's not done anything,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: you know, nothing like last year. The images you have
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: for him basically putting out two Pro Bowl guards on polls, right,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: the Elk thing Jenkins and Tray Smith in the Super Bowl.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: He was really learning how to play not just with
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: speed but power. I feel like maybe the injuries kind
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: of just not honestly stunted him. Just so you know,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: it's been tough to It's been tough to grow and
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: develop and keep your strength up when you've been injured.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent, So I agree.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: With that and then Dalen Phillips.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Ninth in NFL in pressures. That's seventy three eighth in
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: NFL win percentage among qualified rushers eighteen point eight percent,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: tied sixteenth in the NFL. And turnover is caused by pressure,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: which you've already talked about at two.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's just a professional pass rusher.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: He's just he's very good.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: I do think Sam that ever since he's come aboard,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: because he's also played inside and Nickel, I think the
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Eagles are stunting a whole lot more with their foreman rush,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: which has been great because they have really good athletes.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: You want to do that when you have good long
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: armed athletes like him and a Joemo and Brandon Graham
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: has played inside. So I think it's been a little
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: bit of a again, a reason why Vick isn't blitzing
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: as much and why the foreman rush is not predictable.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's still causing problems for the offensive lines.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Sure, one hundred percent.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: You know Zach one as we want to linebacker secondary,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: he's had a really nice year. Now it doesn't it
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: probably doesn't jump out as much because he's not a
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: secret anymore, but still pretty tarn good.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, he led the team in three statistics.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: He led the team in tackles at one hundred and
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: twenty three, led the team and stopped sixty eight, which
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: is fourteenth in the NFL by the way, led the
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: team and coverage EPA which is minus thirty one point
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: three on fifty seven targets, and then he was seventh
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: in the NFL. And hustle plays. It's where you cover
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: twenty plus yards in a play.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: So okay, So I think of the time he chased
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: down Who's the running back that he chased down? Was
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: it Gibbs or Montgomery? In the Lions Gay he chased
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: down somebody on a long run down. Oh, first it
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: was Miles Sanders right in there.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: That was the first take in my mind.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: But then there was another one. There was another game
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: where he chased somebody down, a really good running back
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: twenty thirty yards and stopped from scoring a touchdown, which
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: is just unbelievable. I mean that you just don't see
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: that from guys' size.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: No, you really don't. It's it's pretty impressive. It's not
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: just pretty impressive, it's extremely impressive. I'm trying to find
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: the player you're talking about really quick.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: But you know what, it may it may have been.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: It wasn't in the Bears game. It was it.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: It was Aaron Williams.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: No, it was later in the season, I want to say.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Because it looks like there was a and that's that's
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: never mind. Later in the season you said.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I just can't remember who it was, honestly,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: don't Was it was it the that wasn't the Command
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Was it the Chargers? Yes, wasn't it Adell remember that? Oh? Yes, Yeah,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: it was like on that that little leak out to
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: the left side and he was running up the field.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I think it was Bond who made the tackle on it.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: I actually was looking at the wrong category, but I
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: think you're right. I think you're right.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was the Chargers game where you
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: chased somebody down that has a lot theoretically has a
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: lot more speed than him.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: This is only a six yard game when that hustle play.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: But it might be that one.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: There was someone.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I definitely think that's the one you're
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: talking about.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: But everybody remembers the Miles Sanders one too. That was
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: a touchdown saver in the opener, right that was yes, yeah, yeah.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Now Nikobe Dean getting on him four sacks on twenty
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: seven pass rushers. Are you kidding me? That's a great
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: rate right.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: There, It's insane. Fourteen to eight percent sack rate, eleven
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: quarterback pressures, forty point seven percent pressure rate. I almost
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: highlighted and underlined Nacobe Dean like I did Quinion Mitchell.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: I actually was going to do it for every category,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: but then I didn't. I was gonna do Jalen Phillips
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: for the defensive line, but a lot of the statistics
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: were worth the Dolphins, so I was just like, I'm
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: just going to focus on the best player of the defense,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: which is Quiniana Mitchell. But if I had to pick
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: a second, it's Nikobe Dean. As surprising as that sounds,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: he also led the team and get off at zero
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: point seventy nine seconds. We already talked about his tied
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: sixteenth in NFL and turnovers caused by pressure. I didn't
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: say he was tied for it, but he is tied
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: for it as well. A lot of players are tied
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: for it because it's two. And then he had a
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: minus twelve point three percent completion rate over expectation on
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: twenty four targets.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Wow, minus twelve, that's amazing. So we did for the
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Philly Voice, we did like staff awards picks and one
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: of the categories was the most Surprising Player. And I
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: put Nacobe in because I just never thought he would
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: come back from another lower body injury like that, a
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: major surgery, but teller tendon and be I didn't. I
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: thought maybe he'd be like a little less than what
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: he was, if not more, And he wound up being
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: better than what he was last year. That to me
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: was a shock, but great, great story for Nacobe.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: And he's gonna get himself paid. Oh I don't. I
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: don't know if the Eagles are going to be able
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: to retain him, to be honest with you.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's why they've got jo Hot Campbell
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: waiting in the wings. And he played well when he
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: was in there. Not the same but certainly good enough
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: when you put him next to Bond to really feel good.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Plus Trotter I think played well in the season finale.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: I mean remember when I said about how long it's
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: been since an Eagle fan like of my maybe my
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: age could remember when the Eagles had awesome, like two
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: really great defensive backs. Well you can double that for
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: inside linebacker or off wall linebacker.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: Sure, sure to not just have one, but like a
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: whole group that have played well is pretty amazing. Yeah,
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: all right, we'll finish it off here with the secondary.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: I kind of want to take save quinyon last.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go. Let's go to the safeties because
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: that's a pretty interesting stat.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: I tried really hard to find a statistic that's a
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: good one that it was so hard to find anything
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: positive surprisingly about Reid. Specifically, Reid was just middle of
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: the pack on every statistic, which.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Was nothing negative. Right, They just haven't like stood out
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: as like this is excellent.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: But they led the team in defensive touchdowns at three.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: So I'm telling you, like, the corner's got to be
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: really upset. They didn't have any interceptions, right compared to
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: an edgra and then they didn't have any defensive Obviously,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: if you have no new interceptions, you're not gonna have
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: any defensive touchdowns.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It definitely makes it tougher for sure. Ye. So yeah,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: I think that's a fun statistic. If I had to
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: find a good one. Dori Jackson's another one that I
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: honestly was surprising that his statistics have been so well, Like, basically,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: you see why he ended up being the starter. Yeah,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: I don't we don't have to get too much into it,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: but that corner depth is atrocious.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Oh boy. The season finale showed that. I mean, I
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: think Adori has almost made an argument to come back
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: on a one year deal.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: You know, I would resign him.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now it's probably not gonna have. They didn't bring
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: back Isaiah Rodgers for eight millions, so I mean, but
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know if a Dori has played so great
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: that he's earned himself another, you know, really lucrative one
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: year deal somewhere else, So it may work out sign him.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: You may draft a corner in the first or second
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: round and let him duke it out, or you may
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: eventually move Cooper there if you find a better nickel,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: you know, if you keep Michael Carter or something. They
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: got some options there.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, Dori Jackson was second on team
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: and tight window percentage at thirty four point three percent.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: He's making those receivers have to earn it, and you
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: can't ask for too much more for ye where he
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: is on the team.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Had some big breakups. I think in the second half
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: of the Lions game, after he gave up a few,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: he came back and made a few PBUs.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did very well for himself.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: And then let's talk about Cooper de Gene for a second. Yes,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: he led the team in Hawk percentage, not Hawkeye percentage, right,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: I mean it might be Hawkeye percentage.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: I mean he is an Iowa guy.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: So are you familiar with what the hawk percentage?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: That was gonna be my next question.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So it is any like play that results in
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: a turnover, a turnover worthy play, or a pass breakup,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: or just like interfering with the pass completion. Okay, So
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: it's it's a pretty inclusive statistic, yes, very You don't
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: have to get the interception for it to count to this.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: You just have to interfere with the pass in some way,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: shape or form.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: So that's what that measures. And that's twenty point eight percent.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Pretty big. So that's like on you know, about a
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: fourth of or a fifth of his place. He's doing
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: something really targets. I assume that I have to have
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: to be targeted. Yes, he's either having a pick, a
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: breakup or interfering with the pass in a positive way,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: not a flag. So that's a pretty high percentage. Yeah.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: And then besides Bond, he was the second most hustle
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: player at ten he was second on team and tackles
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: at eighty five and the fourth on team and stops
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: thirty two. And then he led the team in pass breakups,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: which you can see reflected in this Hawk percentage.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is again why I and most of this
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: comes from the Nickel spot, although I'm sure some of
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: it also comes from outside in base. But I just
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: wonder how Vic Fangio is gonna, you know, employ his
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: defense against the Niners team that is going to formationally
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: beg you to come out with your base defense, which
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: would put Degene on the outside. But he's just so
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: effective at Nickel that he may Vic may say, I
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: don't care, I'm gonna play Nickel against your twenty one
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: personnel or your twelve or thirteen personnel.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's going to be a very interesting
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: matchup for that reason, for sure. I don't disagree. Now,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: all right now, quinnyon last and certainly not least probably
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: in my mind, the most Impactful player on the Philadelphia
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Eagles this season. I don't think that's hyperbolic to say.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, we did the awards column that I
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: was telling you about on Philly Voice. We had to
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: pick a team MVP, and that's you know, that's almost
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: always a quarterback award, right, It wasn't even an offensive
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: player for us. We all, I think all of us
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: picked Quinya Mitchell.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's do you remember when we saw him at
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl against Roman Wilson, those those reps because
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: he's he shut himself down after that day, yep. But
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: we just looked at each other and we're like that
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: he's going to be special, Like.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had I would not have predicted he would
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: have made it to the Eagles of twenty two after that.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Me neither. It was honestly, I mean, he locked up
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: Lad McConkey too, there was. It was a really great
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: showing and on it. Like we said, we didn't expect
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: him to be an Eagle. We knew he was going
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: to be great wherever he ended up, but it was
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: felt like kind of more like a pipe dream that
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: the Eagles would land him right, and let's see how
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: that translated. In the second year, he led the Eagles
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: secondary in reception percentage allowed forty three point nine percent.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: With that being said, that second in the NFL, the
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: only one that was ahead of him was James Pierre,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: who was targeted thirty three times. Now, let's look at
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: how many times let's talk am times Quiney and Mitchell
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: got targeted, which is eighty two eighty two times, just
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: thirty three.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, Yeah, because James Pierre was a backup who
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: basically replaced Slagh in Pittsburgh when when they decided to
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: move on from Sleigh.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: So almost fifty more targets and allowing only like forty
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: three percent forty four percent versus forty two percent.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Right, there's no way if Pierre was targeted eighty times
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: he would have that that could of a percentage. There's
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: no way.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Anybody in the entire NFL was targeted eighty two times
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: they would allow forty four percent. I don't think so,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: I really don't think so.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Nope. And zero passing touchdowns on eighty two targets unbelievable.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: And it's the first thing that I thought, he's the most
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: targeted player to allow zero touchdowns and no one was close.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. No, yeah, I can't even think of one right,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: like where he almost like a guy dropped the pack.
• 1:05:45
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  Speaker 1: one and up. Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't
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  Speaker 1: even think that there's a number two on that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Quinna On Mitchell has been if you didn't have quin
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  Speaker 1: if you did the whole war thing, like I does
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  Speaker 2: They do, but it's not really widely accept the same
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  Speaker 1: Right, But if you had a Dory jack In opposite
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  Speaker 1: of Dori Jackson in the Eagles secondary instead of quinn
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  Speaker 1: On Mitchell, not happening. Not good not good at all,
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  Speaker 1: are in too high. That second safety who's usually on
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  Speaker 1: Quentin on side, he still rolls toward the trip side,
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  Speaker 1: so they basically leave Mitchell alone like it's zero coverage
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  Speaker 1: even when they're playing too high, and he just handles it.
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  Speaker 1: So he just handles it.
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  Speaker 2: But back to your point, why that statistic, why war
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  Speaker 2: is important. So like what that actually means is wins
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  Speaker 2: above replacement. In basketball, they have something vorp of value
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  Speaker 2: over replacement player regardless. What it's saying is if you
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  Speaker 2: took an average player at that position, how much better
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  Speaker 2: does this player elevate over the placement player or Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Quinnon Mitchell would be significantly valued over a replacement player.
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  Speaker 2: And the replacement player in our example was adri Jackson,
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  Speaker 2: because that is a replacement player for most sure, most circumstances.
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  Speaker 2: So what he said what by making that point, what
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  Speaker 2: you're saying is Quinyon Mitchell elevates so much more than
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  Speaker 2: any other position over a replacement player.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, if you were to get hurt, unfortunately, I
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: don't even want to think about that. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't like to discuss the potential of injury, but
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: it would be devastating for the Eagles, absolutely no doubt. Sam,
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  Speaker 1: Great job man, awesome season. Rap. We will do it
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: again after this Eagles forty nine Ers game, and you know,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: hopefully it won't be our last one of the year.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. You have at a prediction, Oh okay,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: never put you on the spot like this before.
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  Speaker 2: You haven't. You know. I think it's going to be
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: a very gritty game. I think it's going to be close.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: I don't see this game. I think the Eagles probably win.
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  Speaker 2: I think that they're built better as a team. I
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  Speaker 2: think they're a healthier team, and I think, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's an argument that maybe resting the players was a
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: good idea in that regard. The forty nine Ers have
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  Speaker 2: dealt with injuries all year, and they've dealt they've persevered through,
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  Speaker 2: you know, inconsistent roths, like they're the team that they
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  Speaker 2: put out. Each week has been different and they persevered.
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  Speaker 2: But I just I don't see them winning. But at
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: the same time, if the Eagles offense doesn't figure it out,
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles will lose this game. So I think it
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  Speaker 2: really depends on which offense shows up.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So that's not about I didn't hear a
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  Speaker 1: prediction there. I give me a score. Who's gonna win?
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles will win this game, all right?
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: I give it on this show because you know, I
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: save mine for the pregame show. But I won't say
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: this to your point exactly. I haven't looked lately at
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: what the over under total is, but my own I
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: feel like if this game, the Eagles will probably win
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: this game if the if the total score between the
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: two teams is under forty, like a twenty three to
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: thirteen type thing.
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  Speaker 2: The over under is for forty four and a half.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, if it's If it's the under, I think the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles will clearly win if it gets over and they're
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  Speaker 1: not stopping the forty nine ers from scoring. I think
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: that the the obviously the forty nine ers would win
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  Speaker 1: in a higher scoring game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually really interesting. The NFL pro gives me
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: a lot of these advanced stats on it. The Eagles
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: points per game twenty two point three, Niners twenty five
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: point seven point defferential plus fifty four for the Eagles
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: plus sixty six for the Niners as tenth and ninth, respectively.
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  Speaker 2: Records in close games, the Eagles are much better eight
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: and four Niners or five and one, I guess, not
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: much better. Average margin of victory eight point eight Eagles
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  Speaker 2: nine point nine nine Ers, turnover a differential plus six
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: as the Eagles we talked about, which is seventh in
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  Speaker 2: the league, and minus six for the Niners.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then the Eagles are in penalties, have way more penalties.
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  Speaker 2: They have thirty four more penalties, So weird.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many stats that make you think one way
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: and then the other way, right, like oh, turnovers, like that, man,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: the penalties. Yeah, Eagles basically shoot themselves in the foot
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: as much as any team in the league.
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  Speaker 2: So in so many ways, in so many ways. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think it'll be really interesting. The NFL pro gives
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: the matchup advantage to the Eagles in four of the
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: six categories. In passing, rushing, I guess it's just passing,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: passing offense, rushing offense, passing defense, and then rushing rushing defense. No,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: and then pressure rate on defense.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Sam, it's gonna be a great game. I think.
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  Speaker 1: I think it'll be a really fascinating game. Look forward
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  Speaker 1: to it, and again look forward to us doing this
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: again week, no doubt. Damn Finkle, I'm Jeff Mosher. You've
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