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15. How Mirimiri and Family Constellations Transform Healing with Faith Murray · Constellations and all that...

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  Tracy: Kia ora and welcome to constellations and all that.
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  Tracy: I'm your host Tracy Cartwright and together we will be exploring the world of family constellations with facilitators and clients from around the world.
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  Tracy: Looking at different perspectives and experiences in the work, having a cup of tea and just chatting with some friends around their experiences in Constellations, we'd love for you to join us.
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  Tracy: I hope that you enjoy this series as much as I have loved making it.
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  Tracy: Kia ora everyone, welcome to Constellations and all that.
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  Tracy: Today I had the pleasure of talking with Faith Murray.
• 1:04
  Tracy: Hey Faith, how are you doing?
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  Faith: Kia ora Tracy, whānau
• 1:07
  Tracy: aho.
• 1:08
  Tracy: Well, thank you.
• 1:10
  Tracy: You're welcome.
• 1:11
  Tracy: It's good to have you here.
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  Tracy: So normally, in most podcasts, people introduce their guests and I don't do that.
• 1:19
  Tracy: I let the guests introduce themselves.
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  Tracy: But you know, we're just coming to have a chat and a conversation around constellations and all that, whatever else pops up.
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  Tracy: So I'm going to invite you to introduce yourself.
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  Tracy: And say whatever you like.
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  Tracy: Tēnā
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  Faith: koe, Tracy.
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  Faith: Ko Faith Maui tōku ingoa.
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  Faith: No te Tairawhiti, no Pakatohea, no Ngāi Tai.
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  Faith: A hau.
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  Faith: Yeah.
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  Faith: So I come from pretty much around the East Coast area and I, um, currently reside in Hokianga with my tāne Hone and mokopuna Luka.
• 1:55
  Tracy: Fantastic.
• 1:57
  Tracy: Thank you.
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  Tracy: Tell the, can you tell the audience, so there'll be people that'll be watching this on YouTube and there'll be some that'll be listening to it on other devices like Spotify and Apple or through my web website.
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  Tracy: And what do you do in the?
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  Tracy: Faith: I work in , which is the hospital there that, um, um, run a, a service.
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  Tracy: Called Taumata Rongoa.
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  Tracy: Um, and we work inside of the hospital itself.
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  Tracy: So we are a part of the hospital.
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  Tracy: Um, we've recently branched out to eight whare hou ora in the area.
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  Tracy: So we operate two days a week in the hospital and one outside of.
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  Tracy: And we also have, um, we run a fortnightly wananga too for the community.
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  Tracy: To learn all aspects, um, and the cultural sense around, uh.
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  Tracy: Different ways of, of healing, of self healing, looking after yourself and looking after your whānau and uh, community.
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  Tracy: And in another service that I also work in is Te which is a tikanga response for meth addiction, mainly, but also just for people that want to learn more about their, about tikanga, about their cultural practices.
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  Tracy: You know, parts of themselves, um, um, we do a lot of, um, mahi toi like whakairo carving, um, and those sort of things too.
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  Tracy: So yeah, and that, and we run that from Pākanaemarae here in Hokianga.
• 3:38
  Tracy: Beautiful.
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  Tracy: I love Pākanaemarae.
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  Tracy: I love coming up to visit you guys and being part of what happens up there.
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  Tracy: That's fantastic.
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  Tracy: Thank you.
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  Tracy: So I know how you got into constellations, but I'm going to invite you also just to share with the audience how you Well, how did you make it actually?
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  Tracy: How did you make it before?
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  Tracy: Okay,
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  Faith: well, as part of, you know, as part of the mahi that, that I do, I would like to upskill and learn different things.
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  Faith: Um, anyway, I saw an advertisement for constellations, family constellations, and there wasn't a lot of explaining in this advertisement, so I had no clue what it was about.
• 4:22
  Faith: And every time I attempted to go to, um, That the constellations run by a person up here in Hokianga.
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  Faith: Something always happened where I never was able to make it.
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  Faith: Something always got in the way.
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  Faith: So, one day I saw one in Kaikohe, which um, you, which you had posted up.
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  Faith: So I thought, right, I'm not doing anything this weekend.
• 4:40
  Faith: We're definitely going over there.
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  Faith: So, Yeah, so I came over to that and just really got hooked on it like it was one of the yeah It was one of the most impactful you could say Situations or healing Situations I've ever come across at that time.
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  Faith: I was actually didn't know what to expect.
• 4:59
  Faith: It was Nothing like I thought it might be it's nothing I've ever experienced either and I just found it was really Well, it worked.
• 5:08
  Faith: It worked in, in ways I would never have thought.
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  Faith: So, yeah.
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  Faith: I remember being on the hot seat and that was, uh, it was very hot, to say the least.
• 5:20
  Tracy: Yeah, I remember.
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  Tracy: And, and it
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  Faith: was Yeah, I think what I liked about it the most is that you're not controlling it.
• 5:26
  Faith: You don't actually control it, but things, um, unfold in front of you.
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  Faith: It's, yeah, it's amazing.
• 5:34
  Tracy: Beautiful.
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  Tracy: And then you went on the train with me last year?
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  Tracy: Yeah, last year.
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  Tracy: You know, in our group.
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  Tracy: So we did six months of foundation training and now going on from that you've been, you did a workshop out of Rāwhiti hospital, out of the marae at the base there.
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  Faith: How many did we do?
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  Faith: Yeah, so I think we did two there.
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  Faith: The first one we just invited people that we thought would be interested because, again, any advertisement that I read, I wouldn't have a clue what it was about.
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  Faith: I think it's really hard to even put that into writing for people to understand what happened.
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  Faith: You can, you can understand what it's for.
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  Faith: And then, Yeah, and then the next one was a bit bigger and that was like an open invitation to people and then it got to the stage where we had to move because a lot more people were coming, um, along to them and really, really enjoying them.
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  Faith: Like, the feedback has been quite phenomenal up here.
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  Faith: Now it's kind of like we have to cap it at 50 because, um, and those are big groups, eh?
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  Faith: So, um, And it's two days now,
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  Tracy: isn't it?
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  Faith: It's two days long now.
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  Faith: And, um, people are wanting to bring their families and yeah, it's quite amazing actually.
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  Faith: And the amount of males that are turning up is.
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  Faith: It's really encouraging too, I feel, um, yeah, but that, um, yeah, that first one in, in, in Rawene, that was, yeah, the starting point for Hokianga to, um, really embrace, have the opportunity to embrace, um, having you up here with us doing constellations.
• 7:08
  Faith: It was also, it also meant that as trainees, we were able to be a part of that too and experience some training under the, under your guidance.
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  Faith: Um.
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  Faith: As well, and, and I think that's really important, um, for, you know, building community trust in those spaces too, where people can feel safe in those spaces.
• 7:29
  Tracy: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
• 7:31
  Tracy: Because there's some big stuff that comes up, right?
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  Tracy: There's a lot of, some, some areas have more big stuff than others.
• 7:37
  Tracy: There seems to be a lot of, quite a bit of big stuff that comes up when we come up there.
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  Faith: No, and I also found that there's a lot more, um, cohesion within the community because, you know, in Hokianga, pretty much everyone's related to everyone.
• 7:51
  Faith: So, and for a lot of people, I suppose, um, they were a little bit concerned about having their stuff out there in front of people that know, you know, we all know each other.
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  Faith: But now it's come to the point that everyone, um, understands that we are there for each other.
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  Faith: And so I've noticed that there's a lot more support amongst people for each other.
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  Faith: There's a lot more aroha, there's a lot more empathy, you know, and even I feel that way, so.
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  Tracy: And you don't have to go into the story as much as let's see what's there, right?
• 8:21
  Tracy: Let's see what's hidden and what's showing up.
• 8:24
  Tracy: So beautiful.
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  Tracy: What would you say to someone, now that we've been doing this for a while, what would you say to someone who says, oh I've heard there's something going on up at the marae, what would you tell me about it?
• 8:39
  Tracy: So I'm always asking people this question because it just, because it just might resonate with someone the way that you say it to them, rather than the way someone else has said it.
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  Faith: How I have said it, because I do find it difficult to explain because sometimes when you're explaining it you can get overexcited about it, it's like you're really trying to sell something to somebody, but, um, what I usually say to people is just come, you don't know until you, it's hard for me to explain because what it, What it does for people is different for everybody.
• 9:11
  Faith: Um, but the shifts, uh, if anything's the same, it's the shifts happen.
• 9:17
  Faith: They definitely happen.
• 9:18
  Faith: That's what I say to people.
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  Faith: I just, I, you know, come along because it's not going to cost them anything.
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  Faith: What have I got to lose?
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  Faith: Nothing.
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  Faith: And people come off that, off that advice right there.
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  Faith: And a lot of that, I would say that to other people that we, you know, work with in our, in our midi midi space.
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  Faith: A lot, those are, a lot of the people come, come from this, that's kind of like a referral, if you like, to come along to those.
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  Faith: I
• 9:43
  Tracy: just want to clarify, for those who don't know what MiniMini is, Because believe it, there are some people that don't know what that is.
• 9:51
  Tracy: How would you describe Miri Miri?
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  Tracy: Miri
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  Faith: Miri is a, is a, is a healing practice.
• 9:57
  Faith: That is a, it's a holistic healing practice.
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  Faith: So it works with the, the tinana, the body, hininaro, the mind space, and wairua.
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  Faith: Pretty much all in one time.
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  Faith: Some people call it massage, but it is definitely not massage.
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  Faith: It's, it's a lot, it's a lot deeper than that.
• 10:13
  Faith: Yeah, that's how I describe it.
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  Faith: It's our cultural, it's our cultural traditional healing practices.
• 10:19
  Tracy: Yes.
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  Tracy: Because yeah, some people don't, don't, don't know that, the deeper meanings of some of the beautiful words that you're sharing.
• 10:29
  Tracy: Okay, so you can, you've been using some constellations while you've been doing midi midi?
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  Faith: We definitely do, and we use healing sentences quite a lot too, uh, because, you know, uh, Miri Miri can often invoke the releasing of emotion, so, so often we will use healing sentences, like, because a lot of people will, will tell us through their, uh, while we're doing Miri Miri about what's going on for them.
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  Faith: So, or even in the consult time, when we're doing a consultation, but once they're on the table and we're doing our midi midi, I don't know, it just comes up, get them to say this line, get them to say this line, so we find the healing sentences are very, um, promotional, if you like, for helping to release those.
• 11:18
  Faith: Yeah, those, those emotional expressions and that, and um, we actually find that people are, it's even deeper, okay, so it, midi midi's deep, but this gives it more depth, that's what we've found anyhow.
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  Faith: Also we, not just healing sentences, sometimes we will do, Like as if they're in a constellation, even though there's nobody or nothing representing because when you're doing midi midi, a lot of the time people will go back into that situation.
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  Faith: And then they're able to say those words that release them from that pattern or that issue that they've been carrying.
• 11:56
  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Tracy: So many ways where we can incorporate constellations into our work.
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  Tracy: I love that.
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  Tracy: Absolutely.
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  Tracy: Do you have, without breaking anyone's confidentiality, or is there any examples that you feel that you could share?
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  Tracy: That you feel confident that you could share and it's okay if you don't.
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  Faith: Yep.
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  Faith: So, um, we're actually going into this because we've done it a couple of times now and we find that it's, um, it's a little bit more in depth work for people that have quite deep pain, if you like.
• 12:35
  Faith: One lady we had a few weeks ago, she came into, um, the marae and we sat and did a one on one constellation with her because after she, after we had a bit of a consultation about You know why she was coming in for a midi midi and that.
• 12:51
  Faith: Uh, once she explained her relationship, what was happening in her relationship, it sounded very stuck.
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  Faith: So I thought, maybe we can try this.
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  Faith: So I asked her and she was, yeah, she was really keen to try it.
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  Faith: So we did a bit of a constellation using some items we had, just did a one on one with her.
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  Faith: Then gave her um, a midi midi and she was just, she just couldn't believe how she felt different about that whole situation.
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  Faith: She just, yeah, she, and she's since emailed and said, I think everyone should do this.
• 13:26
  Tracy: That's fantastic.
• 13:28
  Tracy: I had a midi midi yesterday with, um, with a lady here, and it's, it's just like, it opened the door for me today.
• 13:36
  Tracy: I actually was moving some things around, and I picked up my mum's scarf, because I know I've been doing another layer of grief with mum, because it's nearly a year since she transitioned.
• 13:48
  Tracy: And I, you know, she was, she had, she was ready to go and all that, but it's still, there's still these layers sometimes, eh?
• 13:54
  Tracy: And I picked up her scarf and I just got a whiff of her perfume, and I, and I knew that with the work that I had done yesterday with Kitty, that whiff just sent me, the tears started to flow, and it was like, beautiful release.
• 14:08
  Tracy: And so I sat myself down and I just allowed the words to come through, like when I'm facilitating someone, I just kind of allowed.
• 14:18
  Tracy: Words to flow through me of what was sitting there for, for me missing my mum today.
• 14:26
  Tracy: And having that, that extra, you know, like, because constellations does release things on a cellular level as well as emotional, and having the midi midi on top, well, it's just, those ruins are delicious.
• 14:38
  Faith: Definitely, they do work hand in hand, that's all I can say, they definitely do.
• 14:43
  Faith: And um, some of the other girls that, that uh, work alongside me as well, they say the same thing.
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  Faith: That um, it just adds another layer to the, to the healing.
• 14:53
  Faith: But mostly we'll, so we might give somebody a midi midi, and we know that they're going to need more than one or two, because it's, especially with the hinenaro thing, so those are the people that we will line up for a postulation and midi midi too.
• 15:07
  Faith: And we're going to start going into doing those, um, on a, on a regular basis for people.
• 15:13
  Faith: Um, also we do a lot of, um, constellations between ourselves as well.
• 15:17
  Faith: As, um, as, um, Kaimahi.
• 15:20
  Faith: It's, it's a good way for us to also keep ourselves well.
• 15:24
  Faith: You know, because Teela doesn't usually go getting healed.
• 15:27
  Faith: So, and, and I mean, we all need it, eh?
• 15:29
  Faith: So that's been a real godsend for us as well.
• 15:33
  Faith: to be able to do that in our little groups.
• 15:35
  Faith: Plus it kind of like keeps that momentum up, the training and the practice.
• 15:42
  Tracy: Fantastic.
• 15:43
  Tracy: That's brilliant.
• 15:44
  Tracy: And you've got a new graduate this week.
• 15:48
  Tracy: One of your team has just come through my training as well.
• 15:51
  Tracy: So, yeah.
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  Tracy: She's
• 15:54
  Faith: um, she loves it.
• 15:55
  Faith: You just have to mention, oh, did you see the constellations going, that's happening here?
• 15:59
  Faith: Where is it?
• 16:00
  Faith: But we're all like that anyway.
• 16:02
  Faith: We're going to that one.
• 16:02
  Faith: We're going to that one.
• 16:03
  Faith: It's
• 16:03
  Tracy: exciting, isn't it?
• 16:04
  Tracy: It's so exciting.
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  Faith: You know, uh, the last, the last constellation I had, and it was about, uh, being stuck at the marae in Pākehā, expecting it to take a week to settle in and then, and then see what happens.
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  Faith: No, two days later, everything at once became unstuck.
• 16:23
  Faith: And, um, it was like a flash, and then everything was moving, and I was, it was almost like you dropped a, um, you know, a box of Jaffas on the floor, and they'd all spread out everywhere.
• 16:34
  Faith: It felt, really felt like that.
• 16:35
  Faith: But at the same time, not stressful, like very manageable and it has been and it has been and things have been moving really nicely like without, yeah, without trying to control time and all those things.
• 16:49
  Faith: Yeah, so lots of things are happening, but they are all the plates are still spinning.
• 16:55
  Tracy: Beautiful.
• 16:57
  Tracy: More momentum with it, hey?
• 16:59
  Tracy: You know, you've done, you've done a lot of work, hey?
• 17:01
  Tracy: There's been, um, yeah, and every time it comes through, yeah, you're ready.
• 17:06
  Tracy: And some constellations take a few hours or days to start or settle in, and others can take weeks and months.
• 17:15
  Tracy: That's really cool.
• 17:16
  Tracy: It's very cool.
• 17:17
  Tracy: I could feel that it was a really, it was ready, so ready to happen, that last one.
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  Faith: Yeah, and, and it seems, you know, things are just people, the right people are coming along when they, when they need to be.
• 17:30
  Faith: And yeah, it's just very much changed from then.
• 17:37
  Tracy: We did a really big piece.
• 17:39
  Tracy: One of the really big pieces that we did at the last um, gathering.
• 17:45
  Tracy: Which, and it, I've been doing this work for a long time.
• 17:48
  Tracy: It always fascinates me the way someone can come and when they, when you see them, you see them as they are and you don't know that they're gonna, that they look any different.
• 17:58
  Tracy: Right.
• 17:59
  Tracy: But then after sitting in the hot seat and thinking of the, the gentleman, it was one of the last ones we did on the day, and he was quite gray and tasty looking by the end of it.
• 18:10
  Tracy: Oh my gosh.
• 18:11
  Tracy: His skin was just incredibly, he was glowing.
• 18:14
  Tracy: He looked 10 years younger and.
• 18:17
  Tracy: He'd had quite a few head injuries, he said he had um, attempted suicide at least three times, maybe even more, he tried to get others to um, take him out, he just had this real fall to death, and he'd done some, some pretty dark things in his life, because I'd had a conversation with him at lunchtime, just having a conversation with someone over, over lunch, um, not knowing that he was going to come and sit on the box seat at that time.
• 18:47
  Tracy: But the shift in him, like I say, he looked 10 years younger after that piece of work.
• 18:54
  Faith: He did.
• 18:55
  Faith: I know who you mean.
• 18:56
  Faith: He looked, yeah, he did.
• 18:58
  Faith: He looked in a different colour.
• 19:01
  Tracy: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:03
  Tracy: It's phenomenal, isn't it, when you see someone change in front of your eyes and you don't realise, well, I didn't know him before that, so I don't want to go too deep into his story because it's still quite fresh as well, but I think it would ripple out to you.
• 19:20
  Tracy: To many of the descendants that have come to New Zealand, if we put it that way.
• 19:29
  Faith: I saw one of the participants the other day, actually, and she, she hadn't got in the, she didn't get in the hot seat, but her sister did.
• 19:38
  Faith: Okay, and they both came, we were having mirimiri here, and they both came.
• 19:43
  Faith: The one that didn't get in the hot seat, yet the whole constellation was related to their relationship.
• 19:49
  Faith: Looked, and I've known her for a while, real different, as in all the puffiness in her face had gone, her eyes were wide open, the whites of her eyes were white, they weren't the yellow glazed over, she looked really, I said to her, you look amazing, what have you been doing?
• 20:06
  Faith: She goes, I'm telling you, it's that constellation.
• 20:13
  Faith: She just, yeah, she said the shifts have been amazing in their whānau.
• 20:17
  Tracy: Yeah, wow.
• 20:19
  Tracy: Very cool.
• 20:20
  Tracy: The word came.
• 20:20
  Tracy: I
• 20:22
  Faith: And they, knowing that even just being in the room, in the field, in that, in the space, uh, you know, the, the, the connections that everyone has is you really see them when you're doing this work, because you can see how we all interrelate with the same.
• 20:41
  Faith: pain, the same patterns, the same, you know, or similar.
• 20:45
  Faith: And, um, and it's that relational thing that we have, that connection we have to each other that, you know, is where the, I think the aroha sits.
• 20:53
  Tracy: Yeah, absolutely.
• 20:55
  Tracy: And, and like you said earlier, you know, it allows people to be more compassionate and have more aroha for each other and just, Even if they're, you know, if they're related, and they're witnessing something that's in their own family system, but maybe from a distance.
• 21:13
  Tracy: Um, you know, so often there's like little whiteboard moments and you can see what, why things, have been the way they've been or why other family members have shown up in life the way they've shown up?
• 21:26
  Faith: Definitely have more empathy and understanding around, um, what other people are going through, especially, you know, um, when you have people with, um, you know, undesirable, we could say behaviours, um, that they often exhibit and A lot of the time we will blame that person, you know, for being, without looking at the background, without looking at.
• 21:53
  Faith: Their intergenerational stuff, patterns, and that kind of thing, and it's actually really, especially in the work that we do around, um, you know, working with, with many, many, and working with people who have, you know, addictions, um, and a lot of, uh, criminal backgrounds, that kind of thing.
• 22:11
  Faith: Yeah, that whole judgment is no longer there.
• 22:15
  Faith: It has no basis to be there.
• 22:18
  Faith: Um, there's a lot more understanding.
• 22:19
  Faith: Yeah, it just means that you're able to work with people on a more, yeah, empathetic level, like.
• 22:26
  Tracy: Yeah, you can get an understanding of why someone has an addiction.
• 22:29
  Tracy: Part of the reason why someone has an addiction, even when you hear what's happened to them, or when we trace back through the family lineage.
• 22:40
  Tracy: This begins, right.
• 22:42
  Faith: Especially those that go, I dunno why I do it.
• 22:44
  Faith: And you know, people will say, people will say, of course they do.
• 22:47
  Faith: Well actually, they actually might not know, but if you put them in a hot seat, they might find out cells in that.
• 22:58
  Faith: And I, and I've been that, I dunno why I think, I don't know why I do that.
• 23:02
  Faith: I do now and it is that thing, yeah, it is that thing that what you resist, persist and what you look at goes away and constellations, how you look at it.
• 23:13
  Faith: Like, literally, you are watching it happen.
• 23:15
  Faith: You know?
• 23:16
  Tracy: Well, and even if it doesn't go away, it finds a place and it settles, right?
• 23:21
  Faith: It becomes okay.
• 23:23
  Faith: Yeah, and you can even, like, and then you can start to see that, you know, especially if you, um, carry a lot of baggage and guilt and stuff, you can see why those things showed up in your life and what you can use them for now.
• 23:36
  Faith: You know, they don't have to be that dreaded, hated thing, or even the person in the family doesn't have to be that dreaded and hated person, you can see where they fit, where everything fits.
• 23:46
  Tracy: Yeah, turn it around, and it can be a recence, right?
• 23:48
  Tracy: Once you've looked at it, and it's no longer, like, coming at you all the time, that energy, that pulling energy, sometimes it's the overwhelm, it's the, this can be an icky energy, and then when you've been able to look at it, And give it a place, integrate it, whatever you, whatever it needs, then it can be a resource for you.
• 24:11
  Tracy: I found that in my own life with my own addictions and, and my trauma journey.
• 24:18
  Tracy: Yeah, and they used to be driving the bus quite a lot, most days, for a long time.
• 24:26
  Tracy: And now they're, you know, they're, they're a resource and I just take the medicine from them without um, letting them drive the bus.
• 24:35
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 24:35
  Faith: Yep.
• 24:36
  Faith: And that doesn't seem, yeah, it, it takes the fizz out of the whole, you know, the bad energy.
• 24:42
  Faith: So, so to speak about something, it takes all that fizz out and just, it is just what it is,
• 24:47
  Tracy: you know?
• 24:48
  Tracy: I think too, it also allows, it allows people to come to find their place in their family system, you know, or we know, we know that it does that, but I'm just thinking of the how in the when we are doing the work and there's someone, there may be someone that's sitting on the fringes of the family.
• 25:06
  Tracy: And maybe their behavior hasn't been well thought of within the family system.
• 25:11
  Tracy: And sometimes, when they've done a constellation, it allows the doors to open for them to find their place back into the system.
• 25:20
  Tracy: Or feel for themselves, even.
• 25:22
  Tracy: It might not be that the family is even pushing them away or anything like that.
• 25:25
  Tracy: It might be that they've taken themselves out of the family system, energetically or emotionally.
• 25:31
  Tracy: And by doing a piece of work, they can step back into their rightful place.
• 25:36
  Faith: Beautiful.
• 25:37
  Faith: I hear quite often people say, and I think it's the worst thing I've ever heard really, and it's, I've got nowhere to go.
• 25:44
  Faith: And I always think, how is that possible?
• 25:47
  Faith: And I think to myself, you know, a constellation would be really good to remind you that you do, you know, that you do, everyone has a place.
• 25:56
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 25:56
  Tracy: So good.
• 25:58
  Tracy: So you live in a multi generational house, you've got a few generations living there.
• 26:04
  Tracy: The effects or what have you noticed between the family system for yourself?
• 26:11
  Faith: I've noticed a lot of ease.
• 26:13
  Faith: There is like very little drama.
• 26:18
  Faith: There's a lot of, yeah, there's just a lot more acceptance.
• 26:21
  Faith: A lot more acceptance.
• 26:23
  Faith: A lot more help, you know, working together.
• 26:27
  Faith: There's a lot more, um, it's just feels really quiet and settled.
• 26:33
  Faith: And that's not an, that's, that's not boring either.
• 26:35
  Faith: That's, um, that's awesome because it means that you've got time, you know, you don't have to deal with all these things going on over here.
• 26:41
  Faith: You can get on with the things you want to do.
• 26:43
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 26:44
  Faith: I've really noticed that it is really settled.
• 26:47
  Faith: Everyone's just found, found their place and what they're meant to be doing.
• 26:51
  Faith: And it's, yeah, it's just.
• 26:52
  Faith: Ticking over.
• 26:53
  Faith: So, uh, and that has been for a little while now, and I, and I do definitely put it down to constellations.
• 27:01
  Faith: And the whole hurry, hurry thing, not anymore.
• 27:04
  Faith: That sense of, you know, if we don't get there and do that, that's going to fall down around our ears, um, that's also no longer a thing.
• 27:11
  Faith: And also being, you know, delegating things out to people now, you know, just trusting that people also have, you know, people also have potential and also need to be given opportunity to shine in their own place.
• 27:24
  Faith: Um, that's much more.
• 27:26
  Faith: So that's happening a lot more.
• 27:29
  Tracy: It's good for the whole community as well, isn't it?
• 27:31
  Tracy: For your family, for the community, for your relationships.
• 27:35
  Faith: And it's good just to let go of the control of everything, of having to, the need to control everything.
• 27:40
  Faith: And, and, and I remember doing a constellations around that.
• 27:44
  Faith: I don't need to control everything anymore.
• 27:45
  Faith: Some things, but not everything.
• 27:47
  Faith: Yeah, so that's way better.
• 27:50
  Faith: I, I don't know, the shifts, I've noticed so many shifts in um, um, And the whānau, and eka, even in family that doesn't live here.
• 27:58
  Faith: Our family is quite, I can say, our family is quite, um, we all live over different parts of the country and in the world.
• 28:05
  Faith: But we are, after many years, um, coming together to do a project together.
• 28:11
  Faith: On a regular basis.
• 28:14
  Tracy: Fantastic.
• 28:14
  Tracy: And is this you and Hone's children?
• 28:17
  Tracy: Or your siblings?
• 28:19
  Tracy: Siblings,
• 28:20
  Faith: um, my sister and, and then, um, everyone's now talking about pulling in the, you know, the, um, our, our tamari who are adults, our adult children, and as well, and it's like, wow, everyone's talking about family reunion.
• 28:35
  Faith: That's, um, wow.
• 28:37
  Faith: You know, that's very new for us.
• 28:40
  Faith: Yeah.
• 28:40
  Tracy: That's so cool.
• 28:42
  Tracy: And your father is from, is he from the Is Sky,
• 28:48
  Faith: uh, Shetland Island status?
• 28:49
  Faith: Shetland
• 28:50
  Tracy: Island, yeah.
• 28:52
  Tracy: And have you had any desire to go and be in the Shetland Islands and see your ancestral land and stand on it?
• 29:01
  Faith: Absolutely.
• 29:01
  Faith: And, um, I think that once we get, once we get rolling with this project as a whānau, we'll probably do that as a whānau too.
• 29:09
  Tracy: Amazing.
• 29:09
  Tracy: Yep.
• 29:10
  Tracy: No, he refused.
• 29:16
  Tracy: It's quite amazing, isn't it?
• 29:17
  Tracy: I mean, I don't think we travel so easily these days.
• 29:21
  Tracy: But, um, it hasn't been that long, really, in, in the grand scheme of things that we've been able to travel so freely and move around the globe as easily as we, we do in this time and, time and space, yeah.
• 29:38
  Tracy: And so to think that someone's coming back to their homeland, it's like, wow.
• 29:42
  Faith: Yeah, but I think for him, he, um, because he talked about, um, You know, in the 30s and 40s, when he was over, when he lived there, growing up, uh, you know, there was a war on, and a lot of the fighter planes and that were always parked over on the Shetland Islands.
• 30:00
  Faith: So they're quite often big planes and stuff coming in and out.
• 30:03
  Faith: And because there's, it's quite a rugged place, you know, he said it was very, um, it's harsh, it's harsh living.
• 30:12
  Faith: Um, well, it would have, they lived in like, You know, brick, like stone huts with dirt floors and, like, eight or nine of them all in one room kind of thing, so, yeah, no, when he came over here, he wasn't going back, I reckon.
• 30:26
  Tracy: It sounds cold.
• 30:27
  Tracy: Yeah,
• 30:28
  Faith: and cold.
• 30:29
  Faith: And cold.
• 30:30
  Faith: And windy.
• 30:31
  Faith: I like
• 30:32
  Tracy: that.
• 30:32
  Tracy: I like the beautiful Far North thing.
• 30:37
  Faith: Yeah, so he was happy to come over here where it was warm and there was beautiful, you know, Māori woman here.
• 30:42
  Faith: That was his, I think that was his main pull, was to come and see what they were putting on posters in Shetland.
• 30:49
  Faith: So, yeah.
• 30:51
  Tracy: Living the dream then.
• 30:54
  Tracy: He
• 30:55
  Faith: reached his goal.
• 30:56
  Tracy: He did.
• 30:57
  Tracy: He did.
• 30:58
  Tracy: Glad he did that too.
• 31:00
  Faith: Me too.
• 31:01
  Tracy: Yeah,
• 31:02
  Faith: I really love that honoring the mother and father thing because I remember that used to be his, one of his lines all the time was darling, you must honor thy mother and thy father and I never really thought about that until we did constellations like the real depth of that.
• 31:18
  Faith: And now, because we, you know, that's something that we do in constellations is, is honor that at a whole different level.
• 31:26
  Faith: I actually do honour my mother and father,
• 31:29
  Tracy: you know.
• 31:29
  Tracy: And it gets easier too, doesn't it?
• 31:31
  Tracy: The more you practice that, because sometimes it's not as comfortable at the beginning.
• 31:36
  Tracy: True.
• 31:40
  Tracy: Putting in politely.
• 31:43
  Tracy: Oh, that's brilliant.
• 31:45
  Tracy: It's so good to talk to you.
• 31:46
  Tracy: We've got the weekend together this weekend.
• 31:48
  Tracy: We're going to be in Auckland for the mini immersion.
• 31:51
  Tracy: So I look forward to spending some time with you, um, different settings and having some time.
• 31:57
  Tracy: Maybe we'll get to do some exercises together as participants because I won't just be facilitating I'll also be participating as well, so.
• 32:05
  Tracy: I look forward to that.
• 32:08
  Faith: Me too, I do too.
• 32:09
  Faith: I always look forward to going to constellations.
• 32:15
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 32:16
  Faith: And it's always, um, I don't know, doing, I've noticed that doing constellations in the, in the mahi of Mirimiri and that, that, even that, even that, that mahi has become deeper.
• 32:27
  Faith: There's a, I don't know, there's a much stronger connection between Myself as a practitioner and the, um, whanaunga on the tefu, on the table as well.
• 32:37
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 32:37
  Faith: Seems to be, yeah, it doesn't take a long time to like, hono to them.
• 32:43
  Faith: It's quite instant, instantaneous now and I think that's because a lot of those, those blocks, rules, judgments, all that just, you know, very rarely show up.
• 32:54
  Tracy: Within yourself, do you mean?
• 32:57
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 32:58
  Tracy: So that's what I've noticed about constellations is that as a constellation facilitator, You have to do your mahi, you have to do your own work, right, to be able to, to do the, facilitate with ease and, um, and to become a good facilitator, which I know you are.
• 33:18
  Tracy: And in some modalities, some healing modalities that I've witnessed, some people can learn things, but they don't do the inner work.
• 33:29
  Tracy: And why it's, you know, like I'm thinking of great humans.
• 33:33
  Tracy: Things like that.
• 33:34
  Tracy: And I'm not saying we're all reiki practitioners, I'm just saying some people, sometimes people discover that they are good at doing the hands on stuff or the energy work, but they don't do the work on themselves within that.
• 33:49
  Tracy: And constellations doesn't allow you to not, if you're going to facilitate it, you mahi, right?
• 33:57
  Faith: Absolutely.
• 33:58
  Faith: And I've not, because, you know, um, a couple of, One of the girls that just finished, you know, uh, your, your course and another girl that I work with as well.
• 34:07
  Faith: Um, even they found that the depths of their, um, connection has increased.
• 34:14
  Faith: And it's like anything, you've got to keep practicing.
• 34:17
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 34:17
  Tracy: Uh, to
• 34:18
  Faith: experience those different, um, those different things that might come up in your work.
• 34:22
  Faith: And without the practice, I don't know how to, you know, how to deal with it for, because it's not going to come up once.
• 34:28
  Faith: It'll probably come up multiple times over the course of your
• 34:31
  Tracy: practice.
• 34:33
  Tracy: Well, even I find that, you know, sometimes I'll get clients, like the other day, I had a, I had a client in the morning that, I think I might have shared this on an earlier podcast, but I had a client in the morning who, who came and there was an issue around, there was a connection with a sister.
• 34:49
  Tracy: And then in the afternoon I had another client and hers, she came out with a same, well not the same issue, but it was involving her sister.
• 34:58
  Tracy: My sister and I get along really, really well and it was the next day I was doing something and it dropped in, but I realised that I was being out of order with my sister.
• 35:07
  Tracy: I got, because I'm the youngest, but there was part of me trying to do some healing work for her that wasn't mine to do.
• 35:16
  Tracy: And, uh, and the field had kind of given me a bit of a nudge, like sister, sister, okay, have a look at this, Tracey.
• 35:23
  Tracy: So, yeah, sometimes you'll get clients that are gonna have a lot of themes, right?
• 35:27
  Tracy: And it's like, there's a mirror, let's have a look at that.
• 35:31
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 35:33
  Faith: You know, I should have said at the beginning too, I just, I just remembered that, um, there was a girl that I did, um, um, some tertiary study with years ago.
• 35:42
  Faith: And, um, when I.
• 35:44
  Faith: I saw her again, like, two years ago, so there'd been a period of about eight, eight years in between.
• 35:51
  Faith: I couldn't believe it was the same person.
• 35:53
  Faith: Because when I knew her when we were doing our, our study and that, you know, um, I, I wouldn't say she was the most friendliest, approachable person at that time.
• 36:01
  Faith: But when I seen her again, eight years later, she looked younger than she did the eight years prior.
• 36:09
  Faith: She was really open and, um, good.
• 36:12
  Faith: Um, she was just totally different.
• 36:14
  Faith: If it wasn't for her, her face, nothing else was the same.
• 36:18
  Faith: And, um, I, I talked to, I actually mentioned constellations in this presentation I was giving, and this is before I even managed to get any done.
• 36:27
  Faith: And she said, Oh my gosh, I'm so glad you brought that up.
• 36:31
  Faith: I've been doing that for two years.
• 36:33
  Faith: What?
• 36:34
  Faith: And she goes, yeah.
• 36:35
  Faith: And um, she, she said otherwise, she wouldn't have been able to finish her degree.
• 36:39
  Faith: She wouldn't have been able to do quite a lot of things.
• 36:42
  Faith: Um, and she said her relationship with her parents, because I remember at the time we were doing our study that she was, was going on and on about her parents.
• 36:49
  Faith: Yeah, not in a good, loving way, but now her, her parents Get along really well.
• 36:55
  Faith: Yeah.
• 36:56
  Faith: She has regular dinners over there and everything.
• 36:58
  Faith: I thought that's amazing.
• 37:00
  Faith: But just how she looked, she just looked, she looked younger than she did eight years ago.
• 37:06
  Faith: Amazing.
• 37:08
  Faith: It is amazing.
• 37:08
  Faith: And she did it with you, she told me.
• 37:12
  Tracy: I think I know who you're talking about.
• 37:14
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 37:15
  Faith: Oh, in a way she just looks so beautiful.
• 37:19
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 37:20
  Tracy: Helps so many parts of us come back together, right?
• 37:23
  Tracy: It helps the parts of us that are fragmented, and I know that for myself, there were many layers of me that were scattered around.
• 37:32
  Tracy: Yeah, the word autonomy, first time I heard it, my whole body just went into a real reaction because my body obviously knew what it meant, but my mind didn't know what it meant, I had no comprehension of it at the time, but my body really wanted that.
• 37:49
  Tracy: Self autonomy, that wholeness, that being within myself and being all parts of me coming back together that needed to find their way back to healing.
• 37:59
  Tracy: And I think there would be more layers, obviously, we're perpetual aliens.
• 38:04
  Tracy: For me,
• 38:05
  Faith: I agree.
• 38:05
  Faith: And I know that from when I first, before I started Constellations to now, I definitely have a lot more confidence, I guess, in who I am in this
• 38:17
  Tracy: world.
• 38:19
  Faith: I definitely feel a lot.
• 38:22
  Faith: Uh, and less fearful, like a lot less fearful, a lot less guilt, a lot less shame, a lot less all of those things that used to be my driver.
• 38:32
  Faith: You could say a lot of the time, certain things or put myself in a sacrificial kind of situation quite often.
• 38:41
  Faith: All of that, I no longer feel the need to.
• 38:44
  Faith: Yeah.
• 38:44
  Faith: Cause I intrinsically know I belong.
• 38:48
  Faith: So then it's fantastic.
• 38:50
  Faith: It's fantastic.
• 38:51
  Faith: It's really.
• 38:52
  Faith: It's really quite life changing, I must say.
• 38:55
  Tracy: We could, we could talk about it all day, couldn't we?
• 38:59
  Faith: Mm.
• 38:59
  Faith: I think the word authenticity comes, that's what comes to mind.
• 39:04
  Faith: Yeah.
• 39:04
  Faith: You are definitely able to work, work things, you know, work things out to come back to your own authentic or, you know, get as close to it as you can.
• 39:14
  Tracy: self.
• 39:15
  Tracy: Yeah, absolutely.
• 39:15
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 39:16
  Tracy: And I think sometimes we don't know what that even is, right?
• 39:19
  Tracy: If we've come from, um, a lot of trauma or we've been stuck in flight.
• 39:26
  Tracy: Flight and freeze all of that.
• 39:29
  Tracy: Then it's like, how does, who am I?
• 39:32
  Tracy: How, what does authentic mean?
• 39:34
  Tracy: Really boost the journey to self, uh, to knowing yourself for sure.
• 39:39
  Faith: And also I've noticed that, um, I used to not like being, I think I didn't know what anxiety was actually.
• 39:45
  Faith: I used to hear people talk about it, but I, now that I look back on it, I think I had anxiety around being in groups of people having to speak in front of people.
• 39:54
  Faith: You know, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one, but I've noticed now I don't.
• 39:57
  Faith: I don't, I don't have that.
• 39:59
  Faith: I don't have that at all.
• 40:01
  Faith: I'm happy to go to where crowds of people are, you know, to um, to do, to speak in front of people.
• 40:07
  Faith: I'm, I'm okay with it.
• 40:09
  Faith: Probably not.
• 40:09
  Faith: I'm not great at it, but I'm okay.
• 40:11
  Faith: I don't feel, yeah, I don't feel looked at.
• 40:13
  Faith: I, yeah, it's, it's hard to, there's no self-judgment, put it that way.
• 40:18
  Tracy: Fantastic.
• 40:19
  Faith: Yeah, it is.
• 40:20
  Faith: It is.
• 40:20
  Faith: It's quite freeing.
• 40:21
  Faith: Freeing is another word.
• 40:25
  Faith: .
• 40:25
  Faith: Tracy: Beautiful.
• 40:26
  Faith: And so if someone was thinking of going to a constellation.
• 40:30
  Faith: Is there anything that you would, if you were going to give them some advice, if they were going to a constellation?
• 40:37
  Faith: It's normally get in the hot seat.
• 40:39
  Tracy: Two days is not enough to get 50 people in the hot seat, Faith.
• 40:43
  Faith: But most of the time, like, some people want to come just for a look to see what it is, but for some people, and a couple of them, I say make sure if you're coming you get in that hot seat.
• 40:53
  Faith: I know for myself that, um, if I went to one, you know, and I didn't get in the hot seat, I'd kick myself because, you know, even though you're going to receive anyway by being there, Just, you know, sometimes, I watched a girl, I watched a girl that we know, um, and how she just puts herself out there and makes sure she gets in there and, you know, does the work.
• 41:14
  Faith: She does the work.
• 41:16
  Faith: And that's what you've got to be prepared.
• 41:19
  Faith: This is for you.
• 41:20
  Faith: This is for you and your lineage.
• 41:21
  Faith: So, take my word for it.
• 41:24
  Faith: Get in that hot seat.
• 41:25
  Tracy: Exactly.
• 41:26
  Tracy: That, um, that last one, that young girl that sat in the hot seat, who I thought had cerebral palsy because of The way her jaw was all pushed to the side, and the twitching that she was expressing.
• 41:42
  Tracy: And then after the constellation, her whole nervous system calmed down.
• 41:46
  Tracy: By the next day, her face had straightened up.
• 41:49
  Tracy: I was saying to you, I asked you that question, if she had cerebral palsy, and you said no, it was a result of, um, bad choices.
• 42:01
  Faith: But she definitely looked, yeah, you know, you're not wrong.
• 42:05
  Tracy: The colour changed, she was bright, bright red when she sat in the hot seat.
• 42:09
  Tracy: Like as in the blood pressure was really high or something was, it wasn't a healthy looking red.
• 42:15
  Tracy: And by the, by the end of the day and the next day, she turned up and she was like, even talking clearer and whole nervous system was really calm.
• 42:26
  Tracy: It's beautiful when you can witness such big changes like that and I guess, um, as it settles within the system.
• 42:35
  Tracy: Because we all have a choice too, right?
• 42:38
  Tracy: Whether we allow it to give it time to settle.
• 42:42
  Tracy: Interesting.
• 42:43
  Tracy: I look forward to seeing it when I see you next time.
• 42:45
  Faith: Yep, I'm sure you will.
• 42:47
  Faith: But that's why we, um, really, um, are driving now toward being able to, you know, in between those bigger two day ones, I know we've got two more coming up, is getting some smaller ones done, you know, receiving on a, on a reasonably regular basis.
• 43:05
  Tracy: Absolutely, and if you're doing that in clinic, have you, can I just ask, have you, because you're working from the hospital, As well from the marae at the hospital, which is a unique program in itself, isn't it?
• 43:17
  Tracy: Is there any one of those, is there another one like that in New Zealand that you've got going there?
• 43:24
  Faith: I don't know, not that I know of, doesn't mean there isn't, but we just don't know of any ourselves.
• 43:30
  Tracy: So you get the patients that come down from the hospital and they come down and they receive Mere mere and rongoa.
• 43:38
  Faith: So they, some come down through the hospital, we have a pouronga upstairs, and she'll take care of the patients upstairs, and that's um, yeah, so she's up there once a week.
• 43:47
  Faith: And then we have our own, our other pouronga in the hospital, which is open to anybody.
• 43:53
  Faith: There's walk in days, um, you know, we can get anywhere up to 35, 36 people in a day.
• 43:59
  Faith: So, um, and it is open to anybody.
• 44:02
  Faith: And, and all walks of life, all ages, different ethnicities, we, we get some tamariki come in.
• 44:09
  Tracy: And
• 44:09
  Faith: then we have haurunga out in the community in different clinics in the areas, the outreach areas.
• 44:16
  Faith: And, and they, and their appointments are made by their, what we call kaimanaki tangata, which is a, like, a person that works in the clinics with the nurses.
• 44:25
  Faith: So, it's all a real, Can you say?
• 44:28
  Faith: It's a real kotahitanga kind of a, um, a movement because all the nurses and the, and the doctors and that are on board.
• 44:34
  Faith: We even have a doctor who does, um, some midi midi work of her own with us.
• 44:39
  Tracy: Beautiful.
• 44:40
  Tracy: One of the students that trained with me in this round was a doctor, not from your hospital, but, um, up north, was a doctor who came and trained with me.
• 44:50
  Tracy: Yes.
• 44:51
  Faith: Beautiful.
• 44:52
  Faith: Well, we had, uh, as you know, one of our, uh, actually the last two, uh, Workshops we had in Pākehā, um, a lot of the staff from the hospital came to those.
• 45:04
  Faith: Yeah, so it's getting out
• 45:05
  Tracy: there, right?
• 45:06
  Tracy: They can start looking through a sustainable lens, maybe.
• 45:09
  Faith: Well, the good thing about it is if the, um, you know, if we can get our Ministry of Health to see this as a valid, um, modality.
• 45:19
  Faith: Who knows?
• 45:21
  Faith: So I think our next, um, our next mission that we'd really like to get into is the prisons.
• 45:27
  Faith: The prison system.
• 45:28
  Faith: Do some mahi in there.
• 45:31
  Faith: Um, yeah, but one step at a time.
• 45:34
  Faith: Got enough plates spinning.
• 45:37
  Tracy: Yeah, watch out for those jaffas.
• 45:39
  Faith: Yeah.
• 45:39
  Faith: Let
• 45:41
  Tracy: the jaffas roll out of the way while you're still spinning your plates.
• 45:45
  Faith: And that reminds me of that constellation we did of one of our, um, services and how that, pretty much after that, yeah, that, that has just been easy.
• 45:57
  Faith: I can't believe how easy it's been.
• 46:00
  Faith: Since then, the whole running of the service, everybody in it, it's just been amazing, actually.
• 46:07
  Faith: But easy as in, things are just flowing, like, there's just all these, it's still building, but it's in a flowing way, not in a forceful, or um, you know, a dozen boulders, Getting in the way.
• 46:22
  Faith: There's none of that or very little of it.
• 46:24
  Faith: Yeah,
• 46:25
  Tracy: moving those.
• 46:26
  Tracy: If you think of the analogy of just your boulders, remind me of the analogy of the stream, right?
• 46:32
  Tracy: And that's blocked and stand up.
• 46:34
  Tracy: But if you've moved one of those boulders out, then things can start to move even just a little bit.
• 46:40
  Tracy: And that's what we can do with installations.
• 46:42
  Tracy: We can move it just a little bit to make, allow the waters to run.
• 46:46
  Tracy: Then over time it becomes a bigger trickle.
• 46:49
  Tracy: It's less of a build up.
• 46:50
  Faith: Yeah, and more people on board.
• 46:52
  Faith: And I'm really enjoying that.
• 46:54
  Faith: I used to like to just be alone and do my own thing.
• 46:56
  Faith: But um, now I'm just really liking the whole idea of bringing more people into different things and and things that they love.
• 47:05
  Faith: Things that they want to do.
• 47:06
  Faith: They want to learn about.
• 47:07
  Faith: That kind of thing.
• 47:08
  Tracy: Well, you're doing an amazing job there.
• 47:11
  Tracy: You guys are leading the way.
• 47:13
  Tracy: You're showing your community and supporting your community.
• 47:17
  Tracy: Yeah, you guys are really, you give it your all.
• 47:23
  Tracy: So, yeah, it's an honor to be working alongside you and to be part of this in my own little way.
• 47:31
  Faith: And it's an honor for us to have you, um, you know, come up here and, um, and guide us and facilitate workshops for, for the people, for us all up here.
• 47:40
  Faith: We really, really appreciate it.
• 47:42
  Faith: Uh, your, your name's quite well known now.
• 47:45
  Tracy: Oh, those Campbells.
• 47:46
  Tracy: I was going to say those Campbells.
• 47:47
  Tracy: That's my maiden name was Campbell, which, uh, the Campbell name was quite well known up in, in the whole area.
• 47:53
  Tracy: So my great great grandfather did quite a bit of seed planting, we'll call it.
• 47:59
  Tracy: So there's potentially quite a few relatives out there.
• 48:02
  Faith: What's the bet you'll find that out soon?
• 48:04
  Tracy: I'm sure I will.
• 48:08
  Tracy: Well it's been awesome to talk to you.
• 48:10
  Tracy: I look forward to the weekend where we get to hang out together more and play and be and enjoy some time and space together.
• 48:19
  Faith: Me too, we're looking forward to that too, Tracey.
• 48:21
  Faith: Um, yeah, so thank you, thank you for having me on here.
• 48:23
  Faith: It's been, it's been
• 48:25
  Tracy: good.
• 48:26
  Tracy: You're welcome.
• 48:26
  Tracy: If anybody wanted to contact you for any more clarity around anything, would you, how would they get a hold of you?
• 48:35
  Tracy: A few, a few items there.
• 48:37
  Tracy: Because you don't have it as, as such as, like myself, I have Constellation as my business, but you have it more as an organisation, right?
• 48:46
  Tracy: So how would someone, so maybe there's someone in the Hokianga who needs to come and see you.
• 48:51
  Tracy: How would they get hold of you?
• 48:53
  Faith: Um, they would, um, just call and ask to be put through to the Marai.
• 49:00
  Faith: So we'll do
• 49:04
  Tracy: beautiful
• 49:05
  Faith: mm-hmm . And, um, any, any one of us down there will, will pick up and um, have a corridor.
• 49:10
  Tracy: Yeah, that's fantastic.
• 49:12
  Tracy: I'll get those details off you and we'll pop them into the thread and this goes out and yeah, we'll leave it there for now.
• 49:20
  Tracy: Thank you so much.
• 49:21
  Tracy: It's been a real pleasure.
• 49:23
  Faith: Pleasure is all mine.
• 49:24
  Faith: Thank you, Tracy.
• 49:25
  Faith: See you on the weekend.
• 49:27
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