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Bigfoot MIB? · Journey to the Fringe

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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join
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us on a Journey to the Fringe. Hello and welcome
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to Journey to the Fringe, where sometimes, hey,
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we're reading books and that just ends up with
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us going down a line of episodes that we just
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have to keep going down. Like, that's just what
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happens sometimes. And I'm not saying this is
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the time that it's happening, but sometimes it
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happens. Anyhow, I'm Taylor here with Chelsea,
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we are your podcast hosts, and today we got another
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Bigfoot episode on our hands. Oh my gosh. No,
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I'm sure you guys are sick of Bigfoots, like,
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yeah. I could never be sick of Bigfoots, to be
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honest. And that's what I'm hoping from our listeners.
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And I got, it's not just a Bigfoot episode, and
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weirdly enough, Chelsea, this is a continuation
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of an episode you did well in the past, where
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Jello was eaten. We've been doing episodes for
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too long, I do not remember Jello being eaten.
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Well, this is a Bigfoot episode, but there are
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two main factors in everything I want to be talking
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about today, Chelsea. First off, there is mention
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of a Bigfoot sighting. It either will happen,
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has happened, or is happening. I don't think
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is happening actually happens. I just need to
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get all the tenses involved here. What else will
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happen in each of the things that I'm going to
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be talking about today is that the government's
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going to be getting involved, or at least somebody
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who says they're from the government's going
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to be getting involved. Today, Chelsea, we are
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doing Bigfoot meets the Men in Black episode.
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What? There's Bigfoot Men in Black? Yes. This
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might be a weird way to say it. It's not just
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Men in Black. It's going to be the government's
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intervention with people who say they saw Bigfoot
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or are going to see it. And you know what? We've
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had a few episodes with Men in Black come up.
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One was the Men in Black episode and the other
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one was the Mothman Prophecy. Yeah. Yeah. Where
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the Man in Black drank the delicious yellow.
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That was the John Keel episode. I think it was.
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I don't know what episode it was. It had Men
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in Black in it because they were drinking jello.
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Yep, they sure were. Chelsea, it is not just
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an alien interaction that the Men in Black have.
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It actually is a very distinct interaction that
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we see when it comes to other groups. Today we're
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just going to be looking at the Bigfoot area.
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No, we're not just looking at Men in Black. I
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thought we'd look at like weird times people
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say the government has interacted with them with
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regards to Bigfoot things. I can get behind that.
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I'm also interested in knowing about them. And
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I think an interesting place to actually start
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is this year, the FBI actually released a group
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of documents with regards to Bigfoot. They released
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their entire Bigfoot archives, which turns out
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to be 22 pages of documents. That's it. Yep,
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that's it. You know, I wouldn't expect the government
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to have a heavy hand with Bigfoot. I don't know
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why. Yeah. And you know what? I actually was
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trying to find things on the national parks and
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anything they had, and they got nothing, which
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you think they'd at least have some sort of weird
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study out there that says, like, hey, people
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are saying they saw this. Like, let's at least
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look at it. Well, if I know anything from anything
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of David Polatis that I've listened to, it's
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that the national parks know nothing. And this
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proves it. Yeah. I think he comes up later in
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this episode. I can't remember if I cut that
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part or not, but let me just say what I will
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be talking about is just a tip of the iceberg
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of people claiming government interaction or
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people from official statuses trying to interact
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with them with regards to Bigfoot sightings.
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So I just had to limit it to what I found the
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most interesting and we could do another episode
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on this because there is so much. But like I
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said, We have this one document. It was released
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this year, March of 2026. 22 pages and it's basically
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a back and forth between this guy named Peter
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Burns. B -Y -R -N -E. That sounds familiar. From
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the Bigfoot Information Center. and exhibition
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he sent these 16 hair samples to be tested by
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the FBI and he keeps following up and he's like
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hey I keep hearing that you guys studied these
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things and you couldn't figure out what it came
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from it came back unknown and eventually the
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FBI gets back to him they're like I don't know
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where that keeps coming from we studied it it's
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deer that's all you sent us was deer okay so
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that's the one document that I was able to find
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from the FBI or any official government spots
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it's kind of funny that just ends up doing that
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way over 22 pages and it's from the 70s so it
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goes real slow but let's get in some actual these
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are the ones where people get super conspiracy
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about and the first one Chelsea do you or I don't
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think we are no neither of us were alive for
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this the explosion of Mount Saint Helen No, I
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don't think I was alive for that. No, because
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it happened in 1980. I just saw right at the
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top when I'm gonna start my script here. When
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Mount St. Helens blew its top on May 18th, 1980,
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it wasn't just trees and elk that vanished under
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ash and fire. In years that followed, a stranger
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story began to circulate. According to rumors,
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rescue and recovery crews working in the National
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Guard found more than animal carcasses in this
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blast zone. Which makes sense. You're in the
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Pacific Northwest, Bigfoot stocking grounds,
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like quite literally. So... A couple of them
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had to die in that explosion unless they got
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advanced notice. That's fair. Now helicopter
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pilots allegedly spotted large hairy bodies scattered
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among the debris. Bodies that didn't look like
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bears and definitely didn't look human. The story
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goes that those bodies were loaded into cargo
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nets, flown out under military supervision and
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quietly disappeared. Witnesses claimed that they
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were told to be quiet and that the operation
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was classified and that men in unmarked uniforms
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oversaw the removal. Where the bodies went depend
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on who you ask, some say Fort Lewis, Hanford,
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maybe some unnamed government lab, and here's
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the thing, no official record of any of this
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exists. What a weird coincidence. The eruption
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zone was under strict military control, that's
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absolutely true, so civilians couldn't verify
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what was happening. Thousands of animals really
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did die and carcasses were airlifted for disposal.
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That part is fully documented. but not Bigfoot
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bodies. That is not documented. It comes entirely
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from anonymous or secondhand testimony. There's
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no reports, no photos, no physical evidence for
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this. I'll just give you a very clear example
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of like where these stories come from. At one
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of Ray Crow's western Bigfoot meetings, someone
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brought up the topic of corpses of Sasquatches
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after the May 18, 1980 eruption of Mount St.
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Helens in Washington State. The witness heard
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of two Sasquatches the Army Corps of Engineers
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had taken out of the volcanic devastation. This
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was two months after the initial blast. Terry
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Reams heard of a dredging operation of the Cowlitz
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River and two bodies were found in the sand.
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A chopper flew them off. Joe Beelart. offered
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that the crane doing the dredging was from the
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Manitowocca Company and that the bodies were
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found two weeks after the Mount St. Helens blast
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of 18th 1980. He suggested that somebody might
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want to track down the company and find out who
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are working the shift that the bodies have been
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found on. Like that's it. All just rumors for
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this one. I'm not able to find anything that
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actually makes it sound true. But like nonetheless
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it sticks around. Have you heard that one, Chelsea,
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that they found Bigfoot bodies during Mount St.
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Helens explosion? Okay. No, I've never heard
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that one. It's actually like a fairly big one.
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Really? Yeah. No, but like where else, other
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than like Joe with the town hall meeting, where
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else does it come up? Honestly, I've read a few
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articles that they don't give references to where
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it comes from. like that was the only one i could
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find where it actually comes like with the original
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reference it's just like another one of those
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things that's just understood that's out there
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in the ether yeah okay and the people from uh
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project camelot follow those people home to their
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old folks home and get so sad when they won't
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talk to them despite them leaving letters to
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their attendants Now, here's the next story I
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got. October 2008, deep in the Sierra Nevada
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near Gold Lake, hunter Justin Smeja and a friend
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were tracking deer when they saw something they
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couldn't explain. Two figures, upright and covered
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in hair, moving through the trees. Smeja said
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that the first was huge, seven maybe eight feet
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tall, broad -shouldered, walking like a man.
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He thought it was a bear and fired. Then a smaller
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one appeared. younger and thinner he shot at
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that too later calling it a humane thing to do
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when he talked about it afterwards he said quote
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it looked like a person a person covered in hair
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i don't know why are you saying that when he's
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saying why did you shoot it oh my god you don't
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leave orphans oh man what a terrible person sorry
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anyhow the protagonist of our story here the
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two men left the mountain fast weeks later smeja
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went back with researcher derek randall's in
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the snow they found what looked like a piece
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of hide about the size of a hand, thick with
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coarse hair, frozen solid. They called it the
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Sierra Steak, and Smeha believed it came from
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the juvenile he'd shot. The sample was sent to
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several labs, including Dr. Mel Baketchum's private
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lab, a couple of university facilities, and one
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forensic lab that handled wildlife cases for
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federal agencies. According to Smeha, the results
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came back all over the map. One said human, one
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said human mixed with something unknown, and
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a third said the sample was too degraded to classify
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but the government linked lab he said they refused
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to release their full results they told him quote
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we can't classify this we're not pursuing it
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further end quote and then they stopped answering
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his calls Smejas convinced the government didn't
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want to touch it that they stonewalled refused
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to return the sample and pretended it never existed
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quote if it had been a bear man quote he said
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quote they'd have told me if it had been a person
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I'd be in prison End quote. We've done a whole
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episode on Dr. Melba Ketchum. Please go listen
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to that and you can learn a bit about her. Safe
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to say, she too is somebody who claims government
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intervention, but I think you can go back to
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that episode to learn more. Yeah. And this was
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a separate lab that did it, that wasn't Melba
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Ketchum, right? Yes. He sent it to several labs,
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one of them being government and he only got
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like weird pushback from the government. Okay.
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I'm going to pretend you didn't say Melba Ketchum
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there and just leave it at that. Yeah, we're
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going to skip this. and Smeha eventually distances
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himself from her work but he still insists something
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weird happened with the DNA someone didn't want
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to deal with it. Okay that's fair enough I'll
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accept that. Now the next one we're gonna talk
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about happens in 1992 it's from a man named Paul
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Freeman. Now it's worth knowing who Paul Freeman
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actually was because depending on who you ask
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he was either one of the most credible trackers
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in the Pacific Northwest or complete fraud it's
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kind of hard to tell with him and that's me doing
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the research saying it is kind of hard to tell
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either he is like so credible and actually legit
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yeah yeah and I actually do think this guy deserves
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his own episode so I don't want to get too much
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into it like he is incredibly interesting what
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was his name again Paul Freeman Okay, Paul. Freeman
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spent years working as a U .S. Forest Service
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Patrolman in the Blue Mountains of Washington
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and Oregon. He wasn't some weekend hiker, he
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lived in the woods. Basically. He knew the trails,
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the wildlife, the smells, the sounds, and long
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before his name became tied to Bigfoot, which
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it completely is now, he already had a reputation
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among other rangers as a guy who could read the
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ground like a book. He was eventually fired from
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the Forest Service, not for anything Bigfoot
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related, but for internal issues that never got
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fully explained publicly. I couldn't find the
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actual answer why he was fired. After that, he
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leaned harder into tracking, and that's when
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he started finding big, wide, Bigfoot footprints
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that split the Bigfoot community right down the
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middle. Some researchers swear these are the
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real deal. Others think he's too lucky for his
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own good, because he finds them a lot. Okay,
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yeah, I would agree. In the summer of 1992, Freeman
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was hiking a restricted section of the Mill Creek
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watershed near Walla Walla. It's an area closed
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to the public, patrolled by the Forest Services
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and not the kind of place you just wander into.
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He said he came across a line of fresh 16 -18
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inch tracks, a clump of reddish -brown hair snagged
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on a branch a pile of scat, unlike anything he'd
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ever seen, and a musky smell that made him think
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he wasn't alone. He collected everything he could,
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the hair, the scat, and several plaster casts.
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I really hope he had a plastic bag with him for
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the scat. I don't have time! And then later he
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says, quote, It was the best evidence I had ever
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found, the kind of thing that should have changed
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everything." But according to Freeman, this is
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when things get strange. He said a group of Forest
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Service officials show up out of nowhere. They
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told him he was trespassing, confiscated the
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samples, took their own photos, and ordered him
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to leave immediately. Freeman said these weren't
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the rangers he knew, not local, not wearing standard
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uniforms. He called them quote government types
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end quote. He believed they were federal wildlife
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officers brought in specifically because of what
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he'd found. When he asked about the samples later,
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he was told they'd been destroyed, contaminated,
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no reasons to keep them. And when he went back
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to the site, the tracks were gone. The ground
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had been raked over. The area looked scrubbed
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clean. To Freeman it felt deliberate. He said
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the officials refused to identify themselves,
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refused to explain why they were there, and told
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him to stop poking around in restricted areas.
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Took it as a warning and moved on. Researchers
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who knew him, like Grover Krantz and Jeff Muldrum,
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said Freeman told them the story right after
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it happened. Krantz, who wasn't exactly a conspiracy
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guy, said, quote, Paul believes the government
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took his samples. I can't confirm it, but I can
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confirm he believed it, end quote. Muldrum also
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added, quote, Paul felt he'd been interfered
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with, whether it was a misunderstanding or something
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or I can't say," end quote. Freeman kept searching
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the area, but he said he was followed, watched,
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even controlled by unfamiliar officials in the
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woods. He believed the government was monitoring
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him. I'll get a bit into the controversy of him
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here. First off, Chelsea, I know we've talked
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about butt prints before, and it's actually been
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a fairly recent phenomenon. There's not just
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one, and Paul Freeman has apparently the second
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most famous butt prints. Yeah, I can't believe
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yeah, Paul Freeman butt print And I'm going to
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start here. Though not the most famous supposed
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butt print in Sasquatch history, that being the
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Skookum cast, Freeman proceeded the Skookum cast
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by about seven years with his discovery of an
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impression of where a Sasquatch supposedly sat
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down. The impression was cast by Freeman and
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measured 14 .5 inches across at its widest point.
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In his book, Sasquatch, Legend Meets Science,
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Jeff Meldrum devotes considerable attention to
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the supposed anatomical features of this impression
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the oppression of the tailbone and the maker
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well -muscled. But there are red flags with Freeman,
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some raised by other Bigfoot advocates. At least
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three advocates engage in hands -on investigations
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of Freeman's track finds. Bob Titmuss, Peter
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Bearn, and most notably, Rene De Hinden. In November
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of 1987, De Hinden visited Freeman and was present
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when Freeman supposedly discovered another set
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of tracks that De Hinden dubbed the Indian Spring
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tracks. De Hinden took off his own shoes and
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socks to see what sort of tracks his own feet
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would make beside the alleged Sasquatch tracks.
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De Hinden's own footprints were much more shallow
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than the Bigfoot tracks. The known human tracks
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were in soil fine enough to capture dermal ridges.
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And indeed, De Hinden could see his own dermal
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ridges and his own tracks. Yet, the Sasquatch
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tracks had none. While photographing the Sasquatch
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tracks, the Hinden blew loose dirt from the bottom
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of the track to remove it. A small piece of dirt
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contained dermal ridges was discovered in the
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process. De Hinden concluded, it was my view
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that the skin pattern was made by someone patting
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down the dirt before pushing more dirt on top.
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That is, he believed he was being presented with
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a hoax. So, some people who have worked with
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him believe he hoaxes things. So, that's something
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we'll probably get into if he ever gets a chance.
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Hokes at Bigfoot. It's not like you say that
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but we did the episode on Rick. Yeah, I know
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that also technically should be in this episode
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That's who I think of when I think Bigfoot hoaxer
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But like what are you looking to get out of this
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is my question It just doesn't make sense to
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me though. I know that it happens. We've talked
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about it now Chelsea what we're gonna get into
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now these all come from the book where the footprints
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end part two specifically We're going to talk
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about the Men in Black portion of the Bigfoot
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community. And what is dubbed the Men in Plaid
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because they are distinctly different from the
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Men in Black. And I think you're going to like
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this. And this is actually a story that you have
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heard before. In the early 2000s, a woman named
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Claire, visiting California from the UK on business,
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decided to spend a free afternoon photographing
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sea otters near Carmel. She followed a coastal
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path down to a quiet cove, a kind of place that
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feels untouched and set up her camera on the
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rocks. That's when the air changed. She said
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she suddenly felt cold. The hair on her neck
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stood up. Across the cove she saw movement. At
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first she thought it was a group of large cats,
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until she realized they were far too big. Quote,
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they came around the promontory, end quote, she
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said. Quote, very large, very hairy, moving on
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all fours, end quote. One by one the creatures
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entered the cove, the largest nearly eight feet
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tall, followed by two smaller adults and three
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juveniles. Claire watched as the big male waded
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into the surf, tearing seaweed from the rocks
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and tossing it to The females chewed the roots,
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rubbed the seaweed on their chests, and draped
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it over their shoulders like shawls. She was
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stunned. Until part of her camera kit slipped
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and hit the rocks, the sound made every head
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turn. The male began moving toward her, gliding
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across the beach in a way she said looked unnatural.
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One of the females followed and the two seemed
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to argue, screaming in what she described as
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gibberish. Then the male turned toward her, howled,
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and pounded its fist into the sand. Last thing
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she remembered was feeling sick as the creature
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approached her, mouth wide open. And when she
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came to, she was 20 yards from her car, bruised,
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scratched, her jacket pulled around her head,
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her camera and bag were gone. And I'll just add
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at this point, there was another part of the
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story that happened two weeks ago that we just
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don't need to get into for this episode. that
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there was men in plaid involved with them. No,
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it's gonna keep going. I'm just saying there
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was something there that happened that we did.
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We talked about two weeks ago. Hotel staff, when
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she got back to the hotel, called the police
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and that's when the story took an even stranger
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turn. So she gets back to the hotel and these
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two men interrogate her from the police, I'll
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put in quotation marks, and one of them is like
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very tall. Six foot eight. What? Wearing a plaid
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shirt, long hair, beard, and just stands there
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where the other guy wearing a suit interrogates
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her. Six foot eight? Yeah, he's a tall guy. When
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Claire finishes telling the story, first officer
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told her she'd seen bears and that she was lucky
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to be alive. Second man said nothing, just standing
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there. She was told not to return to the area.
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Claire left California early still sick and shaken.
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Interesting. I'd like to hear the next story.
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Are they all wearing plaid? Yes, and it's the
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same kind of fucking weird. It is super weird.
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They specifically talk. I'll get to it at the
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end. It's from one podcast, so we'll talk about
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it. Next story, in July of 1997, just a guy named
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Travis, I don't have his last name from the story.
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He was in Glacier National Park. He was out on
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clean up duty with another worker and they caught
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whiff of something foul, like dead skunk he said.
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Following the smell up the trail they saw it,
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a massive hair cover creature lying on its side
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tearing apart a rotting tree. One of the men
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gasped and the creature leapt to its feet and
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locked eyes with them. Travis said he was instantly
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nauseous. Then their radio crackled with static
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and their Bigfoot began shaking, roaring so loud
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it echoed through the valley. The two men ran.
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Oh my god, that's terrifying. Yeah, that is terrifying.
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Back at the park, Travis was told by Forest Service
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staff to keep quiet. No one will believe him,
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they said. But he kept talking, asking questions,
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telling co -workers what he'd seen. And that's
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when the government showed up. On August 2nd,
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a black Ford Explorer with government plates
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rolled into the park. Out stepped a huge bearded
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man. So tall Travis, who's six foot four, had
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to look up to meet his eyes. The man started
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shouting in front of everyone, accusing Travis
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of confusing a bear for a mule deer. What? Calling
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his story ridiculous. These are the same. When
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someone nearby called him Gary, the man corrected
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them. Call me Bear. Apparently his name's Bear.
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Travis believed this man had come specifically
20:58
to intimidate him, to make sure the Bigfoot story
21:00
died right there. yeah because he was supposed
21:18
to say you saw a bear but he's like no i'm there
21:22
you saw i am not gary i am bear But it's like
21:28
one of those lost in translation kind of things
21:30
because they don't know how to interact That's
21:32
kind of creepy both of those they're both like
21:34
the exact same things. Why are they wearing plaid?
21:38
Yeah, no, it's almost like they want to be presentable
21:41
as park rangers or like people in the woods So
21:44
they dress like lumberjacks to kind of like get
21:47
that across which is another weird thing if you
21:51
put it that way because men in black are like
21:54
interpreting they're supposedly otherworldly
21:57
right and they're interpreting yeah yeah they're
22:00
they're putting their like understanding of how
22:02
humans work onto like what we yeah so it's almost
22:06
like the same kind of thing i find that a really
22:08
weird detail that they're wearing the plaid and
22:11
they're so tall yeah In late November of 2003
22:15
in Tazewell County, Virginia, while snow was
22:18
on the ground, another witness spotted a single
22:25
bare footprint near a creek. He thought it was
22:33
a prank until he found the second footprint,
22:34
the opposite foot on the far bank. The stride
22:37
between them was three of his own. He followed
22:40
the track way through the woods for about 150
22:43
yards until it led to a laurel thicket. That's
22:46
when he heard grunting, deep heavy like a bear.
22:49
Circling for a better view, he saw movement in
22:52
a nearby tree, a five and a half foot tall black
22:55
furred creature perched in the crook of the branches
22:58
gripping the trunk with one arm. He realized
23:00
it was female. Small breasts, visible through
23:02
the hair, and then another grunt came from the
23:05
thicket. Second creature stood up, towering above
23:07
the brush, its head massive, its eyes dark and
23:10
pupil -less. Panicked, this hunter fired and
23:13
ran. When he looked back, the large creature
23:15
was lifting the smaller one like a ragdoll and
23:17
climbing a cliff face with impossible ease. The
23:20
next day, a game warden came to investigate and
23:22
they found blood in the snow, a bloody handprint
23:25
on the rock, and collected samples. Before leaving,
23:27
the warden warned him, that someone from another
23:31
agency might be in touch. A week later, two men
23:36
arrived at the Hunter's workplace in a gray minivan
23:39
with government plates. One was clean cut, polite,
23:42
wearing a suit. The other was huge, 6 '8", long
23:46
hair, scruffy beard, dressed nothing like a government
23:49
employee. They asked to speak privately, followed
23:51
him home, and listened to his story. When he
23:54
finished, the big man asked, do you think what
23:57
you saw was really a Sasquatch? Hunter said yes,
24:00
100 % sure. The man replied no. You didn't. And
24:03
it would be in your best interest to forget this
24:05
ever happened. And then they left. And he stayed
24:08
silent for 10 years. Do you think the Bigfoots
24:11
are connected with this big tall guy? Bear? I
24:15
don't know. It's just so weird that there is
24:19
a different Men in Black just for this. And they
24:22
drive like shittier cars, and they don't dress
24:25
as nice, and they don't have to be put together.
24:29
This is so weird like they almost seem like they're
24:32
related though the men in black Also appeared
24:35
that way. Yeah, and and they just end up very
24:38
blunt at the end of their story They say that's
24:40
not what you saw. You saw something perfectly
24:43
mundane. That's it. I'm so confused Why are they
24:47
different than the men in black? I don't know.
24:50
It's perfectly just like this own catch of it's
24:54
both the men in black and like distinctly a bigfoot
24:57
phenomenon it is so weird that these things happen
25:00
and like there are multiple stories of this duo
25:04
showing up to bigfoot encounters in weird ways
25:07
and i also really like that in that last one
25:10
they showed up in a me van like they were also
25:13
doing like amazon deliveries on the side because
25:16
intimidating sasquatch witnesses is not that
25:20
well paid They probably still I mean, they're
25:23
in the physical. It's a ticket on the delivery
25:25
for Amazon stuff. They do probably still need
25:27
to pay rent and and also attend to their otherworldly
25:32
business. That's the episode I have is there
25:35
are just weird claims that the government is
25:37
involved with. OK, sightings. I could have done
25:40
more. And now looking at the time this episode
25:43
took, I thought it would have been longer, but
25:45
I guess I shortened it a little too much when
25:47
I was. OK, I fucking love that. I loved every
25:50
second of that. And here's my question. You look
25:53
at Men in Black with extraterrestrials that we
25:57
talked about with John Keel. It seems as if they
25:59
were protecting the aliens to some extent, right?
26:04
What interests, and I guess I just kind of asked
26:06
that, what interests would they have in protecting
26:09
Bigfoot? And if it's because, you think Men in
26:14
Black with aliens, national security is what
26:17
you always think. because of the movie with Will
26:20
Smith and you know the concern with the government
26:23
with extraterrestrials but it seems like they
26:27
have an otherworldly thing like what interest
26:29
do they have and what would make Bigfoot different.
26:32
Why would these people be like the knockoff version
26:36
of the Men in Black? Why are they the budget
26:39
T. Neal Men in Black? What are they like? What
26:42
is it about Bigfoot? I think this all goes back
26:45
to and this is my personal belief is it's all
26:47
the same phenomenon at the end of the day. That's
26:50
what I think too. That we're all trying to figure
26:52
out and that this Men in X colour group falls
26:56
within that category as well. They're not actually
26:58
a government body. But why would they Well I
27:03
find it pretty interesting too that it's very
27:05
clearly this one guy in like plaid and is very
27:09
tall with a beard and like long hair shows up
27:11
repeatedly. That is paranormal in itself. Yeah
27:14
but at the same time like nobody ever describes
27:16
the same man in black guy but at the same time
27:19
you can't say that because they're so nondescript.
27:22
You don't know for sure. That's so totally true.
27:24
Maybe it's paranormal in itself I tend to think
27:28
of the men in black to be paranormal. Perhaps
27:31
it is the person that they're appearing to. I
27:35
find Bigfoot, there's a lot of instances where
27:37
he's cited in relation to a UFO. or he's appearing
27:43
you know with like in a ufo in a ufo piloting
27:47
a ufo around orbs he seems to be super paranormal
27:51
as well at first i thought maybe if he was to
27:55
be like a flesh and blood creature maybe this
27:58
thing would um this plaid man in black man in
28:04
plaid Yeah, it would appear because it's more
28:09
earthy or whatever, but no that doesn't make
28:12
sense It seems to be associated a paranormal
28:15
thing associated with a paranormal guy Yeah,
28:18
and but at the same time like yeah, it is it
28:20
is distinctly Bigfoot so it's weird that it is
28:24
like this guy who's these guys who are different
28:27
show up for Bigfoot exactly black So it is like
28:30
Bigfoot are different than aliens But they're
28:34
tied together. So why are these guys? Because
28:37
it's vaguely the same thing. And is it because
28:39
of the nature of the sighting, I wonder? It is
28:42
entirely hard to say. Is it that? Is it the fact
28:45
that there's a different group who likes Bigfoot?
28:48
So like it represents itself in a different way,
28:50
this phenomenon. Okay. So where does it say?
28:53
All we can do is look at the cases and just like
28:55
say, huh, that's interesting. Let's see if we
28:58
can draw anything from it. It's confusing to
29:00
me though. There's not enough information. It's
29:02
so confusing to me. And you said something about
29:04
a podcast. Yes. Apparently is from Wes Gurmer's
29:08
Sasquatch Chronicles radio. They did a few episodes
29:11
where they just talked about this man in plaid
29:13
that shows up to sightings. I'm definitely SC
29:17
70 through 72. OK, I'm definitely looking at
29:21
that. I love that. You know me. I love the really
29:24
weird stuff that was super weird. And I'm like
29:27
reeling it, trying to wrap my head around what
29:29
this means right now. The reason they were talking
29:32
about it like for a while is because they kept
29:34
getting people calling the show. saying they
29:36
saw the same guy so they're like well we have
29:39
to do an episode where we just talk about these
29:41
stories we keep getting yeah i love it and i'm
29:46
speechless i'm just trying to figure like what
29:48
well that's okay i think the only speech we need
29:51
at this point is i have been taylor here with
29:54
chelsea we are journey to the fringe thank you
29:56
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