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#80: Gill1918 Project Presents: Josiah Norville "Glazier: Coaching Dual Event Group Athletes" · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  Hey everybody, my name is Josiah Norville.
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  I am the associate head track and field coach, associate head
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  track and field coach over at Western Michigan University.
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  I'm excited to talk to you guys today and potentially, hopefully
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  have some guys, some of you guys join and listen to me rant some
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  things that I, you know, pretend I know a lot of things about.
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  I don't know if that's true or not, but I'm really excited to
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  Glacier Clinics. It was pretty exciting to work
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  with them and then, you know, get the opportunity to do this
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  that people felt that, you know, I can, you know, get some
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  information about some things and so pretty excited about
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  that. I just want to 1st mention right
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  off the top, please go sign up for it.
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  Go take a look at Glacier Clinics in general.
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  They got a lot of great coaches, a lot of great conversations, a
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  lot of great learning opportunities there.
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  It's free. I personally am speaking
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  December 12th at 13th on a variety of different topics.
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  I'm going to talk to you a little bit today about coaching
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  the dual event athlete. As I mentioned, I work over at
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  Western Michigan University. I'm the associate head coach.
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  I'm in charge of the sprints, hurdles and the jumps, all three
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  of them actually horizontals high and then all the sprints
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  and the and the hurdles. And So what I want to talk today
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  about is coaching the dual event athlete.
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  And that's what we're talking more about in December.
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  And when I talk about the dual event athlete, I want to first,
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  before I get into that, let me just first let you know that
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  like there's some guys that are really, really instrumental in
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  kind of me growing up and learning.
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  This is my 14th year collegiate work in coaching.
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  First couple of those were volunteer work under Bailey
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  University under Michael Ford, who was obviously the first guy
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  to gave me opportunity and first guy I learned from.
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  So really appreciative to him. Did get a lot of learning
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  opportunity from Clyde Hart, which was really cool.
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  Vince Anderson's been helpful, Boo's been really helpful.
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  I've got some of my even my closest friends now, they're
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  still really influential in how it work.
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  Jason Martin down it University of Miami.
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  You got Romero Henry over at South Florida.
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  Yeah, there's just there's a lot of guys that that I look to.
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  So just to give them all a little shout out to let them
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  know, like, thank you guys. I I do actually learn from you.
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  But yeah, close to the dual of an athlete.
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  I think one of the things that's kind of cool, which I wanted to
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  talk about, especially for whether you're in high school or
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  I personally have been in every single division of the NCAA
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  Division three, division two and junior college.
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  And I think that that's important to mention because in
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  a lot of places you get athletes that you need to cover different
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  gaps in different points, a lot of different spots.
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  And I think sometimes it's it's it's it's a skill to be able to
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  coach a kid that can long jump and run your 4 by 1 and run your
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  well. For me, I have a long jumper
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  that also is the, I have a long jump conference champ is also a
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  conference champ in the 60 hurdles.
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  And then I have I have a 400 hurdler who is an elite 400
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  hurdler who runs on my 4 by 1 and also runs 100 hurdles at a
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  very high level. And then I've got kids that that
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  just do just do the sprints and the hurdles and the new hurdles,
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  jumps and sprints, jumps like. So I think it's important to
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  understand the differences in the nuance of coaching the dual
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  of an athlete as opposed to the kid.
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  It's like no disrespect to them, but like they just, they just
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  run the one and the two, right? Or they run the four two, or
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  they just do long and triple. Those are different training
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  systems that are a little different and sometimes easier
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  to maintain than the kid that's going between the different
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  events from scheduling standpoint, from a training
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  standpoint. So the biggest, I think one of
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  the things I'm going to go through and try to care about a
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  lot is the periodization of that that goes into those days.
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  What's it like when you got a long jumper that needs to do
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  forearm exchanges and how do you break those things down and how
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  do you, how do you set them up so they get their work in their
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  central nervous system doesn't burn out and die?
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  Oh, I probably should have mentioned some of my, my
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  background and my understanding of those things is I personally
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  have degrees in biology and then my master's in Physiology with
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  specializations and strength conditioning and things like
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  that. And I have my CSCS and a couple
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  of USA weightlifting certs. And I say that to say I'm pretty
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  heavily involved in the weight room.
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  I help write all the programming.
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  I've run multiple weight rooms for our, our track program was
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  many of them do. And I collaborate with our
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  strength conditioning coaches about the periodization and the
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  injury prevention of those of those athletes.
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  Because what's really important to me when you have a jumper
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  that can Sprint or like the jumper that can hurdle the
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  hurdler that can Sprint, is that their, their training
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  frequencies are actually slightly different than the kid
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  that's showing up and sprinting every day.
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  Because there are there are different things that go into
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  it. For instance, with the long jump
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  hurdler, right? Like we don't hurdle and jump in
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  the same day. We don't.
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  And I know people that do, but I don't.
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  And the reason I don't is because I find that to be it's
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  actually difficult on the athlete to be able to balance
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  those things at the same time to be able to get a good training
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  effect. But it's, it's worthy of noting
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  that the injury prevention versus the hurdler that sprints
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  or the spreader that hurdles and the the, the jumper that that
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  hurdles or jumper that sprints is difficult because there's
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  days where their central nervous system just gets shot during the
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  week or coming off a cop because of the way that they had to
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  compete. And their body's not it, it's
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  accustomed to it, but it, it's just different.
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  It's just different when we are at a meet one time.
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  And just just to give it an, an idea of kind of how it looks.
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  You go to a meet and the kids one meet, you go to long jump
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  and the hurdles are perfectly fine.
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  I get to long jump and fine. And then we get a break and then
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  we go hurdle and it's like it's like a normal practice day.
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  But then you also get the days where I don't want to tell you
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  you're going to be taking 6 jumps in the middle of running a
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  race, like literally in the middle.
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  Our conference meet is that way sometimes where she's taking
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  jumps and then got to go to the prelim.
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  And that's just the way it is. And to be able to change that
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  and to be able to train that with that injury prevention
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  side, there's certain nuances that go into it, like when do we
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  lift, How do we time the lift? What lifts are we doing and when
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  are we doing those lifts? What are the rest periods
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  between the things that we do? Yeah.
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  And I think that that's really important to break down with the
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  hurdler sprinters a lot of times, right?
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  Like I want them to be able to hurdle efficiently, right,
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  Hurdle efficiently. But then you got to step on the
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  track for the four by one, right?
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  Like, and I need you to warm up for hurdles because I mean the
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  four by one, then the 1500 and 100 hurdles, you got to be able
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  to be warm enough to be ready to hurdle.
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  You're not going to get the full intensity of the hurdle warm up
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  at the timeline that everybody else gets it.
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  How do I decide when you warm up?
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  How do you decide which one you do and when?
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  How do you decide how much work you can handle from a Sprint
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  perspective and a practice versus a hurdle perspective?
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  I know a lot of times a lot of hurdlers and I know that they do
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  this. I run hurdle practice the way I
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  do it, running a little earlier before the sprinters so that as
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  the back end of the of the the hurdle practice, I can bring the
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  sprinters in with them so they can get a little bit of Sprint
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  work with them and as well. So they get that same kind of
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  intensity coming out of the blocks and that same because
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  coming from a hurdle to a block, a flat block is, is vastly
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  different about the way you, you know, you take the 1st 2030
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  meters or not even 1st 10 to the different.
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  But so there's a lot of nuance between each bank group when
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  you're switching between that, like with the jumpers that that
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  come into to sprinting, right, that jump work is it's a lot.
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  You're you're pushing on that leg a lot.
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  You do a lot on that leg. How do I make sure?
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  I don't know if anyone's ever noticed in some of their kids,
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  but jumpers that have one leg a little bigger than the other, a
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  little more powerful. But how do I, how do I maintain
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  that? Because you got a Sprint, like
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  respectfully, when you come down the runway and you take a long
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  jump that maybe you get away with it, but I don't need you
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  have one leg slowing you down on the track when I'm trying to run
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  the 100, right? Or like this idea of being able
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  to, you know, hurdle everyday and then still be able to close
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  out of Sprint and close it. Because those energy systems and
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  those changes are vastly different from the kid that just
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  does the 100 hurdles in the long jump versus the energy systems
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  of what the the the energy expenditure of the 400 hurdle or
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  the 100 hurdle. And I think a lot of times
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  people get that, but the training of the weight room and
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  the injury prevention side of it and the rehab that is necessary
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  to maintain those different events and those dual, those
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  dual ideas is, is more vital in my opinion than what you're just
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  doing on the track. And that's one of the things I
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  want to really dive into. I count meters.
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  I count meters all the time. I know every sprints coach does,
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  but I count meters all the time to make sure that I'm not
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  overworking those event groups. Because a lot of times we get to
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  miss, especially if it's two different coaches, which is one
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  of the things I, I, I am very proud of is that if it's like,
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  oh, we're going to go to sprints practice, then we're going to go
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  to jumps practice. Somebody's got to count their
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  meters, Somebody's got to count the amount of work they're
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  doing. Otherwise it'll be overloading
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  because each coach will not realize always which one's doing
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  what. And I think that becomes a
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  problem. Same thing with the competition
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  because it's me. We balance, everybody knows in
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  the dual event groups, we balance the competition
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  throughout the year. I set up the four year begins.
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  Every kid knows. You can ask any of my athletes,
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  they know exactly what they're running at, what at me and how
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  we're doing it because I don't want to get into the situation
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  where there's a possibility that we overload or overwork.
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  Do things change out of court? All of us write programming,
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  right? Everything, everything changes
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  all the time. I'm fine with that, but you got
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  to know what you're doing. Combo days I do every, every now
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  and then, spring and hurdling. Combo days are a little easier
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  than jump hurdling or I don't really do jump block days that
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  are combo days. I don't love it.
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  I've done it. I don't love it.
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  I can get into why more when we get into the talk, but I don't I
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  don't love it. Scheduling issues on meet day
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  and scheduling matters. I just that's one of the things
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  that I that I care about deeply. I do I care about it deeply.
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  I think that the biggest reason that I have so many event and
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  this has been true across my career that I've crossed so many
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  over between jumps and sprints and hurdles and jump and things
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  like that is because I I do prep it and it it takes extra
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  planning. I'm not going to front it does
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  it takes extra planning with the kid that can handle multiple
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  events. It takes extra planning to
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  figure out when their body is going to be prepped to be able
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  to do things like run a relay that weekend or do these other
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  things appropriately without overworking them.
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  And still knowing that you can go to the conference meeting,
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  get 234 good events out of them. The training that puts into it.
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  It's, it's a lot on their minds. It's I, I think it's a great
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  thing. I love it.
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  I'm never going to stop doing it, but I won't pretend that
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  it's easy. That's one of the things that
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  just is important to me. Yeah, I, I go through a lot of
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  this in the presentation. I'm getting excited about it.
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  I'm trying to like rush and not bring it down.
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  But the big ones that I'm really going to hit the injury
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  prevention of it, the periodization between each event
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  group. Some of the weight room
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  differences as a strength coach that I care about deeply that I
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  implement into my weight rooms between the different event
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  groups. As opposed to the people that
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  just do jumps or just do Spencer just do hurdles.
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  And how I count meters and how I count practices and how I count
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  jumps to make sure that I don't overload the the systems,
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  whether it be the central nervous system or their energy
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  systems. Don't overload it because
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  overloading it leads to the breakdown and the breakdown
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  leads to the injury. And that's to get much easier
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  said than done. And it requires a lot of trust.
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  It does requires a lot of trust in, in the athlete and the coach
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  to be able to balance those. But it can be pretty, pretty
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  important when done correctly. But yeah, that's, that's kind of
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  that's kind of what I what I'm excited to talk about and kind
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  of give information about if if anybody is interested.
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  But yeah, that's what I really want to dive into.
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  I hope that people check out the Glacier website.
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  Please do it. Sign up for it.
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  It is free. That's probably the coolest part
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  of this that and I know that track coaches, we're all the
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  same way. I think we kind of just love our
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  sport and want it to grow and want people to care about the
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  way that we care about it. And I think that's the best way
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  to do it is to share our knowledge and continue to grow
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  sport together. People help me.
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  People tell me when I'm done and when I don't know what I'm
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  doing. And I hope that if I can help
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  anybody, you know, learn a little bit or somebody can help
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  me learn that we do that together.
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  So that's kind of how I am. It's kind of the way I roll and
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  wish you guys best of luck and I hope you TuneIn.
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  Hey gang, Mike Cunningham here. Hey, I hope you enjoyed this
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