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Rustic Gods pt.1: PAN/FAUNUS w/ Greypilled & Headless Giant · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What what's going to happen?
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  Speaker 1: I think, what.
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  Speaker 2: Help? What's going on?
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  Speaker 3: Everybody?
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to uh the Occult Rejects.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, feels saying it without Nick here. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very it's very weird with Gray Pill and
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  Speaker 2: Headless Giant. What's up, guys? This is just a last
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  Speaker 2: minute show. We had talked about doing it, but then
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  Speaker 2: Headless fell asleep. I had to go pick my son
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  Speaker 2: up from a football game. So we got in touch
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  Speaker 2: with each other and we're like, yeah, let's let's do it. Man,
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  Speaker 2: it's Friday night, you know, why not have some cool
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  Speaker 2: stuff that we're going to talk about tonight. Guys. Hopefully
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  Speaker 2: we get some people in here. I know there wasn't
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there was no promotion for this show, so
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  Speaker 2: that being said, I am Jules from the Gray Pill podcast.
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  Speaker 2: You've seen me here before many times, the Mississippi Mystic,
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  Speaker 2: the Sound Scientists, the l Etomologist, and I'm here with
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  Speaker 2: Headless Giant, the Headless Giant, the only headless Giant.
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  Speaker 4: What's up, brouh?
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  Speaker 1: How you doing? I'm not actually the only one. I
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  Speaker 1: took the name Headless Giant from the PGM The Bornless Right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever read that one, but
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  Speaker 1: that's a that's a real barn burner right there. They
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  Speaker 1: talk about the God above all gods being this bornless giant. Right,
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  Speaker 1: so he's got no head, he's got no crown, right,
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  Speaker 1: but somehow he's bigger and more powerful than the whole world.
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  Speaker 1: And the Bornless Right is an exorcism ritual, so you
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  Speaker 1: use this bornless one to get rid of demons at
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  Speaker 1: a person, which is weird. Yeah, and so Crowley adapted
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  Speaker 1: the Bornless Right into his Holy Guardian Angel ritual, so
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  Speaker 1: you'll find that in there as well. But that was
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  Speaker 1: originally in the PGM. It was originally a papyrus from
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  Speaker 1: the second century AD, so this is some of the
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  Speaker 1: magic that the Greeks were doing. So that's where I
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  Speaker 1: got Headless Giant from. And then I just sort of
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  Speaker 1: expanded it out into the into the whole brand, and
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  Speaker 1: I thought something that a lot of people have no
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  Speaker 1: official encounters with, but maybe there's something subconscious there, so
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  Speaker 1: I threw.
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  Speaker 4: It out right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and then you know, people want to talk
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  Speaker 2: about giants and giants skulls and it's like, yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: can't find this giant skull anywhere, you know, it's too rare.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Well, how do you kill a headless giant?
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  Speaker 2: You can't. Hey, you may have to pierce its hard.
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  Speaker 2: That that's funny that you say that. I mean, even
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  Speaker 2: in some pop culture, what is it? I think it's
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  Speaker 2: Game of Thrones. Hey, my wife is making noise.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody, Well, it's better than raccoons. Yeah, hey, love.
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  Speaker 2: You what you say?
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  Speaker 1: It's better than raccoons.
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  Speaker 2: I am in my garage, so I mean it could
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  Speaker 2: have been, rightcoons. What's going on? Everybody? Good evening, good evening.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what is I think Game of Thrones?
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  Speaker 2: They say that, Uh, they're like, uh, you know, they
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  Speaker 2: say that we all live inside the eye or you know,
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  Speaker 2: the the eye of a blue eye giant or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. It seems like they
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  Speaker 2: may have gotten that from like real mythology or real lore. Guys,
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  Speaker 2: what's up?
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  Speaker 1: It fits completely into uh, you know Nick's cosmology living
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  Speaker 1: inside of the eye of a giant.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I of an eye of a blue eye giant. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's up.
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  Speaker 4: Nick.
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  Speaker 2: Where where is Nick right now?
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  Speaker 1: He's either in Florida or no, No, Florida's later on
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  Speaker 1: in the month.
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  Speaker 2: You're not in are you an Arkansas?
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  Speaker 1: Nick? Arkansas? That's what it was.
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  Speaker 2: Damn it was it Arkansas because I was gonna try
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  Speaker 2: and go to that one. Yeah, this next year, Carolina
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  Speaker 2: and Franklin, guys, So if you're in Franklin, go see Nick. Nick,
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  Speaker 2: Where where is the event? Tell us real fast, guys.
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  Speaker 2: We did a deep dive Sunday, a little episode with
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  Speaker 2: Stein from grey Horned Pagan's podcast, and Headless and Nick
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  Speaker 2: were there and it was on the on the Green Man,
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  Speaker 2: and so me and Headless we're talking and we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: do and Nick obviously he's not here for this one,
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  Speaker 2: but he'll be here for the next one and probably
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  Speaker 2: some more, some more people. We'll have it figured out. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you can pull comments too, cool you do that? You
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  Speaker 2: know this is part one of Rustic First Urban Gods.
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  Speaker 2: Because so we did like a little deep dive on
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  Speaker 2: on the Green Man. We'll probably come back to that.
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  Speaker 2: There we go, There we go. Dude. There's a lot
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  Speaker 2: more on the green Man that I wanted to talk about,
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  Speaker 2: and I actually was reading the pdf that I didn't
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  Speaker 2: read before the show. I read after and we were
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  Speaker 2: talking about the green Knight, and there was a cult
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  Speaker 2: that developed that worshiped the head of the green man,
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  Speaker 2: or this green knight, the severed head. It was called
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  Speaker 2: the cold of the head or the cold of the
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  Speaker 2: green head or something. And I have to look into
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  Speaker 2: a very interesting dude, especially you know from those times.
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  Speaker 2: So who do we have here headless?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the theoi no moi is the gods of the countryside,
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  Speaker 1: the pastures and wild forests. They fell under the domain
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  Speaker 1: of three gods, Hermes, lord of the herds, Dionysos, god
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  Speaker 1: of wild vegetation, and Artibus, queen of the beasts. So
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  Speaker 1: you're starting to see the trend, right. So this is
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  Speaker 1: not the urbanites. These are the realms outside of the
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  Speaker 1: urban environment. But it's strange because it's so full of
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  Speaker 1: mystery and an intrigue and these sort of nymphs and
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  Speaker 1: creatures like that that you really get the sense of
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  Speaker 1: this is where they're getting this whole idea of nature
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  Speaker 1: worship from. Right. So we've got the nymphs, the naiads,
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  Speaker 1: the dryads, and those are the different kinds of spirits
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  Speaker 1: for these different lands. Right. So The Romans called this
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  Speaker 1: the genus Loki or the genius Loki, which means the
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  Speaker 1: spirit of the place, the.
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  Speaker 2: Spirit of the place. I think we talked about this
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  Speaker 2: the first time you came on Graypield when we were
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  Speaker 2: talking about Tulpa's and eggrigors and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So these I think are the more interesting of
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  Speaker 1: the gods. If you go into the urban realm, you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about gods of justice, gods of war, gods of politics,
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  Speaker 1: gods of hearth and home. Right, But hearth and home
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  Speaker 1: is kind of a mixture between these rustic and rural
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  Speaker 1: because that's sort of where you know, all of the
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  Speaker 1: interaction with the spirits is going to be happening, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in and around your home, and you could be part
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  Speaker 1: of the you know local d mace or you know
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  Speaker 1: kind of the suburb and that is sort of how
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  Speaker 1: you're sculpting your environment, is sort of be reflective of
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  Speaker 1: nature so that these nature spirits can sort of be
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  Speaker 1: generous and gracious with you, right, because you're sort of
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  Speaker 1: leaving stuff for them so that they'll bring blessings to you.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a propitiousness with nature instead of being like
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  Speaker 1: conquest and kill, right, because these nature spirits are kind
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  Speaker 1: of your brothers and sisters too, from maybe a different
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  Speaker 1: path along the theogyny. So it's completely different societies, sort
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  Speaker 1: of co mingling if you think about the fairy culture, right.
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  Speaker 4: So this would be a different type, right.
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  Speaker 1: Different type of people, but they still have a relationship
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  Speaker 1: and you're still neighbors with them, so you kind of
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  Speaker 1: have to take care of each other and think about
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  Speaker 1: that as being you know, kind of like on the
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  Speaker 1: same side instead of being completely you know, hostile towards
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  Speaker 1: these entities, which is a different way of looking at it,
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  Speaker 1: but also understanding that they have their own motivations as well,
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  Speaker 1: and you may come into conflict with them, but not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily all the time, and not necessarily for the reasons
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  Speaker 1: that are explicitly given, you know, like oh, you're building
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  Speaker 1: on top of a burial ground. It could be a
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  Speaker 1: lot of different things, right. We've also got pan Aria, Potamoi, Priapus, Satyrs, Rhea, Cybel.
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  Speaker 1: That's an interesting one.
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  Speaker 2: Cybelt is that the Anatonian god or.
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  Speaker 1: You got it, Yeah, yeah, you got it. And also
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  Speaker 1: Addis is sometimes listed as a rust of God as well,
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  Speaker 1: and Addis would be the lover of kybol slash offspring
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  Speaker 1: slash weird stuff right, weird, yeah, Kybali and Addis they
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  Speaker 1: had a weird relationship, like she was getting her manhood
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  Speaker 1: cut off by Hermes and then she wanted to self
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  Speaker 1: generate another being out of herself. So Adis came out
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  Speaker 1: and he was like a pine tree so he wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: say it and cut his wiener off and then it
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  Speaker 1: was just a massive weird story around them. Sounds like it, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: but what are they documenting, Like what is this activity
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  Speaker 1: that they're making these myths out of? And really a
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  Speaker 1: lot of what they do you can see it in
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  Speaker 1: the the orphic hymns, right, And so in the orphic hymns,
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  Speaker 1: they're listing out all of the attributes of these gods,
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  Speaker 1: and they're listing out their relationship to other gods, their
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  Speaker 1: relationship to virtues, their relationship to good things, and these
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  Speaker 1: hymns and what they do is at the end of it, say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, be propitious with me, right, And being propitious
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  Speaker 1: means being free to exchange. So after I've given you
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  Speaker 1: these praises, feel free to give you some blessings, right.
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  Speaker 1: And you see that propitiousness in all of the songs
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  Speaker 1: and the hymns to them is because what they're trying
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  Speaker 1: to do is create something beautiful so that the gods
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  Speaker 1: come near, right, because the spirits like beauty and then
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  Speaker 1: leave blessings when they do that. And that's the kind
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  Speaker 1: of cosmology that we're dealing with. So that actually makes
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  Speaker 1: a lot more sense to me, obviously because I am
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  Speaker 1: a Hellenist than the way that we pray and employ. Now,
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  Speaker 1: you have to kind of create something beautiful so that
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  Speaker 1: beautiful things come into your lives. So when they're when
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  Speaker 1: they're creating these these temples and these community projects and
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  Speaker 1: everything else, it's because they're having a relationship with those
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  Speaker 1: spirits and they're saying, we want the good spirits here
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  Speaker 1: to bring blessings to us because we've left them these
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  Speaker 1: beautiful things. And that makes a lot of sense to me,
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  Speaker 1: you know. But one of the main ones that I
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  Speaker 1: like to talk about a lot. I've got his uh
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  Speaker 1: a book about.
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  Speaker 4: Him here we were talking about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is the son of Hermes, right.
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  Speaker 1: Well he is. He's considered the son of Hermes. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I've got this book or let me just remove this
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  Speaker 1: from this.
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  Speaker 2: Stif and this and he's known as faunas and the
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  Speaker 2: Roman and in the Roman pantheon.
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  Speaker 1: Right, so, and fawns were also a generalized spirit category
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  Speaker 1: as well. So this goat man idea, and actually in
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  Speaker 1: Texas they've got this lake in Dallas where they see
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  Speaker 1: a goat man as a cryptid.
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  Speaker 2: Really, so, would you consider it a cryptid or would
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  Speaker 2: you consider it one of these rustic entities, one of
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  Speaker 2: these rustic gods?
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  Speaker 1: What about a Nubis and dog man?
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  Speaker 2: That's something else, dude, that's something else that I don't
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  Speaker 2: know it. Well, I was gonna say, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if Anubis is the only dog headed entity that's that's
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  Speaker 2: out there.
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  Speaker 1: But the Anubis style dog man is one that is
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  Speaker 1: frequently encountered, like literally with that Doberman head, you know,
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  Speaker 1: with the really sharp features and everything else. That's a
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  Speaker 1: common dog band sighting. So in terms of form, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's got that.
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  Speaker 4: Form, you know, definitely as maybe.
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  Speaker 1: One of several. But also another thing that is very
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  Speaker 1: very common in Greek mythology is shape shifting. Shape shifting, and.
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  Speaker 2: We see they they talk about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Zeus is always shape shifting, you know, he's a
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  Speaker 1: like it, throw he changes into swans, he changes into
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  Speaker 1: all these other animals. You know, you've got ioh. He
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  Speaker 1: turns her into a cow, right, and so when she
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  Speaker 1: comes back from being a cow, she still has cow
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  Speaker 1: like attributes. So you know, when Zeus turns into a swan,
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  Speaker 1: he'll come back, but he'll still have like swan like attributes, right,
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  Speaker 1: So there'll be some other sort of associations there.
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  Speaker 2: And so then he's drawn us some composite creature.
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  Speaker 1: Ye, in some ways, I think it was a lot
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  Speaker 1: more sophisticated than the composite creatures that come from Egyptian
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  Speaker 1: motif where it's just expressly they've got the head of
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  Speaker 1: this animal, you know, but like you'll see other attributes.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, like in what was it called the
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  Speaker 1: Prosecution of Prometheus, what was the we only have the
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  Speaker 1: second Promethean play. There were three Promethean plays, and so
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  Speaker 1: we have the play that was about him being nailed
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  Speaker 1: to the Caucasus mountains, right, we don't have the first
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  Speaker 1: part where he steals the fire and brings it to mankind,
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  Speaker 1: and we don't have the third part where he's freed
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  Speaker 1: from the Caucasus mountains by Hercules. But this was a
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  Speaker 1: you know, a series that was like the Star Wars
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  Speaker 1: trilogy of its time, right, it was a big one,
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  Speaker 1: and so we only have the middle version of this
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  Speaker 1: three part series. But this was big back then, and
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  Speaker 1: so in a lot of these plays, you will have
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  Speaker 1: these characters reoccurring over and over again. Hand be one
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  Speaker 1: of the characters that always reoccurs. But the idea there
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  Speaker 1: is that, you know, you can kind of create a
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  Speaker 1: sympathetic magic by having these plays put on and leaving
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  Speaker 1: your audience with a certain kind of feeling. I always
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  Speaker 1: say that theater is the first church, right, because that's
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  Speaker 1: where the Greeks had all of these pantomims using masks
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  Speaker 1: and other things to represent the gods. Right, And since
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  Speaker 1: we don't think of polytheism as being a religion nowadays,
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  Speaker 1: we don't see how that's the same thing as church.
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  Speaker 1: But that's what they're putting off, you know, they're putting
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  Speaker 1: on church.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, that's funny you say that about or about
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  Speaker 2: some somebody seeing like a fawn like creature. I've I've
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  Speaker 2: seen a couple cryptid videos, dude, I should have been
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  Speaker 2: more prepared and a lot of but maybe I can
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  Speaker 2: find them, or maybe somebody else can find them.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if people have gotten the goat met
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  Speaker 1: on video, but there are lots of different goat Man
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  Speaker 1: sidings from around the country. Dallas is just one of them.
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  Speaker 1: If you look up Dallas goat Man Satday, you'll you'll
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  Speaker 1: find it immediately. There's this uh lake between Dallas and
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  Speaker 1: Fort Worth that this thing is spot about.
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  Speaker 2: Can we watch that on him? I don't know, we'll
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  Speaker 2: we get a strike.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's just reports. I don't think they have
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  Speaker 1: a videos.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no videos, Okay, let me because I've definitely I
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  Speaker 2: actually to to. I brought it up my intro for
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  Speaker 2: a show. I used to do a show called Crypti Watch,
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  Speaker 2: where I would just hang out my audience, drink beer
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  Speaker 2: and watch crypti videos and it's a lot less fun
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  Speaker 2: once you stop drinking, you know, try to try since
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  Speaker 2: then and it's like, I don't fuck, I think I've
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  Speaker 2: seen these videos before. We also that that was the
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  Speaker 2: thing as well. We ran out of cryptid videos to watch.
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  Speaker 2: But in the intro.
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  Speaker 1: AI Slop you can just watch AI Slop for because
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  Speaker 1: it's infinite.
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  Speaker 2: Dude. Yeah, my wife and mom sending me all these
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  Speaker 2: pictures of them with like Freddy Krueger behind them, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like stop, like, stop doing that, and that's creepy.
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  Speaker 4: I don't like it. I like it.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't, you know, to be honest with you, man I,
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  Speaker 2: I rare. I don't even use AI that much. I'm sure.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it's used in in in my logo.
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  Speaker 2: But I used to use it a bunch when I
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  Speaker 2: first started the podcast. But I don't know, man, I
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  Speaker 2: just it's got kind of boring for me. I guess,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's getting kind of weird that too, that too, you
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  Speaker 1: know about the Uncanny Valley.
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  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah, we've.
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  Speaker 1: Reached the Uncanny Valley of AI. This is here and
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  Speaker 1: it's really fucking straight.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's it's really hard to tell also, like what
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  Speaker 2: is and isn't. At first at first it was easy,
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  Speaker 2: but now I'm like, okay, uh, you know, like they're
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: bringing celebrities back from the dead on on AI and stuff.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I saw that that's something they of Michael Jackson with
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: like Tupac. It'sn't like, what the hell is going on?
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  Speaker 4: Man?
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  Speaker 2: Uh looks so real.
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  Speaker 1: If there's money to be made at replicating these celebrities
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  Speaker 1: and making it as real as possible. We might be
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: living and kind of like the back to the future
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Cafe eighties type reality where everything is just sort of
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: retro in different pockets around because they could just bring
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: it back and anybody who has any sort of affinity
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: for that stuff you can go right in there and
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: nostalge out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be kind of cool, but then you'd have
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  Speaker 2: to probably, I don't know, there's gonna be some people
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  Speaker 2: that are probably gonna get the brain chip that takes
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: you back to the nineties or something, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean That nineties brain are gonna be like which
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: one you want, the seventies, eighties or nineties, I'm good man.
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  Speaker 2: But will it be better than what we have currently?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think the more entertained we're
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  Speaker 1: being entertained.
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  Speaker 2: To death right now, Oh definitely, And I.
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  Speaker 1: Think that's just going to keep I'm trying to zoom in.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know how to if you have, you take
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: your fingers and you kind of like, I know.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I'm trying. It's not Oh there we go. Now, I
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: just gotta make it full screen again. This touch pad
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: is awful, so to start with pan, I think it's
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: interesting to look at the Greek letters, right, So they
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: had a different relationship to their letters than we do,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: and seeing those letters for what they are is very
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: important to really get to know these gods. So Pan
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: is like the beginning of the words that mean everything, right,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: So pantheist everything is God? Right, Pan global, you know
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Everything? Everything is also the word for
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: pant And they thought it was an interesting crossover because
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Pan himself doesn't seem to have these everything like qualities,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Like he's he's a goat man. How does a goat
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: man represent everything that exists?
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: He's a satyr?
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so how is this guy supposed to be
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: all that is? Do you kind of see it yet?
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Because it takes a minute. Once you get into the
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: idea of that he's part animal, part god, you can
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: kind of see how he represents mankind. We're part animal
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: and yet we have this higher cognition, higher way of thinking. Right.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: He's also the god of the seven tones coming from
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: the pan pipe, right, the seven planetary energies is like
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: all that there is, and he's got the pan pipe
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: with the different planets, right, and he's blowing the pan
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: pipe bringing all these energies into the world, and he's
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the god of the forest. And also in most depictions
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: his goat body had a bunch of spots on it,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: and those spots were representative of stars.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Really, right, I don't know any of this about him, right,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: So you're.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Starting to see, right, So when when they've got Batha met, right,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Batha Met is a derived version of.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Pan obviously yea Pan was.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Also given the Satan treatment. Right, So you know that
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: the horn god is the horny god is the bad guy, right,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: That's that's Pan sort of. He's the perpetually horny, always
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: trying to breed god. Right. How does that relate to us? Well,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: if you think about it, nature doesn't need any of
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: our help to get it on, like they are constantly
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: breeding and making more of themselves. Right, So that energy
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: of fertility is what you get when you go into nature,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: and it's constantly taking care of itself and doesn't need you. Right.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: In fact, you're an impediment to what it's doing. Right.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say the world could go on without us,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: but we could not. We cannot go on without nature.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: There you go. Now you're starting to see why this
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: guy sort of represents all the stuff. Yeah, it's a
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: really potent symbol because it incorporates our more base desires,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: our more animal like qualities, with our higher thinking desires
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: and our higher thinking aspirations. And in that that contrast there,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: you've also got a lot of evil, right, because these
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: motivations can lead you to do some pretty horrible stuff.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: And they're not making any judgments on what is good
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: or what is evil. They're just saying this is what is.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: And then you've got Bathomet, which is everybody just universally
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: says that's evil, But what are they really pointing it?
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: It is both and female, it is both creator and
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: destroyer symbolic.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: It's it's completely symbolic, dude.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Everything. So when you're condemning it as evil, you're
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: actually condemning the entire universe as evil. You're kind of
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: slipping into this gnostic thing because this is the represented
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: representation of all of those factors coming together in a
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: single image. So as you're cursing this image of all
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: that is, you're almost kind of cursing yourself. It's kind
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: of like a tar baby. Have you ever heard of
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: that concept? No, So there was this brare rabbit story
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: about how he set up this this tar baby, which
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: was just a bunch of tar that was in the
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: shape of a guy on a stick, right, and then
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: this other fanciful creature comes over and starts a fight
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: with it, and he ends up trying to hit this
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: thing and he gets his hand stuck in this target
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: that was meant to get him stuck. Right. And in
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of ways, I see that bapha Met image
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: as being bafflement or stopping everything, right, because you're cursing
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: all that is by looking at this thing, and you're
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: included in that, so you're almost cursing yourself, and it's
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: bafa Met is bafflement. It stops everything.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the reason that I think it was drawn
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: by Elvis Levin was to kind of like troll people, right,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: you know, but it being completely symbolic at the same time,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: do you think, I don't know, so so many like
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: on a mass consciousness thing, so so many people like
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: fearing this entity and or you know, referring to him
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: as Satan this or that has created something in the ether.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I think what it is is if you can get
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: a person to curse his own name, you can kind
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: of get him to do anything right. And so the
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: base nature of mankind is something we're constantly cursing, right,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: you know, we're always up here in our heads and
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: cursing our bodies, and in so doing, our health goes
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: on a drastic decline because all we're using is our
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: brains and we're not actually, you know, appreciating our bodily functions, right,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: And so I think it works the same way when
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: you're looking at these images of maybe something that is
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: gross or off putting and then cursing that thing when
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: it represents a piece of yourself, you're kind of cursing
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: yourself in a lot of ways. And so I think
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: when you hold up these images of evil, what you're
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: doing is you're making it inevitable. You know, these things
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: have to come about because it's part of you, It's
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: part of our universal unconsciousness.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Well, everybody has a lower and higher self, right, lower
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: and higher nature to themselves. That's, you know what I think,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: part of our soul or like a maybe a dualistic
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: nature to it or something. But that's when you see it.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: A lot with the animal symbolism, a lot of it's
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: used in the occult and the esoteric to represent that
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: lower nature of man. It's funny. I have animal heads
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: tattooed all over my body, and then it's like, I
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: didn't you know, before I even learned what what that
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: really meant. You know, it kind of speaks for itself.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: They also look pretty fucking rad, so just too expensive nowadays,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: A need more tattoos.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: But I live over a tattoo shop.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Now, that's awesome, dude, No, I depends.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: That's trap Oh. I think tattoos are a big trapp
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: dude explaining you're putting something that is very distinctive on
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: your body that can never not be recognized by other people.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: You're tagging yourself.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Right, you know what I mean?
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Absolutely right, dude, you're right.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Let's go over a little bit. And was the god
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: of shepherds and hunters, of the meadows and forests of
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: the mountain wild. His unseen presence are aroused panic and
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: those that traversed his realm. This is one of the
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: most beneficial parts of the PAN entity, is the.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Panic, panic, and pandemonium. Dude.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, so I believe personally, because I've done this, I
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: think the whole PAN thing was part of initiation for
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: young men, what you were supposed to do is go
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: out in the woods and feel the panic and know
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: that it's because Pan is present. And know that once
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: you move through the panic and say thank you Pan
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: for this panic, that you never feel panicked again because
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: you have complete control over it.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Dude. And then what soul? Would this also happen at
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: night and then you come back in the morning.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: You got it? You see what I'm talking about?
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is big.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: This is like a transformative event. And they were all
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: engaged in the night sky. They were engaged in doing
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: things at night even though there was no light around.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: They were constantly out and about at night doing stuff
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: because there was some other spiritual quantity quality to it
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: that they were kind of trying to tap into. And
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: we've completely lost that. We only worship it the day.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: You know. Pan idled in the rugged countryside countryside of Arcadia.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Now this is really interesting to me because I live
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: near Arcadia, Wisconsin that has a factory there called Ashley Furniture.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: You've probably seen the trucks rolling up another road, yes,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: And Ashley Furniture is in Arcadia and they've got tons
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: of Pan symbolism all over their Furniture, It's amazing, like
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: they were in on it somehow. So I went into
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: the Ashley Furniture store. There they've got this big fountain
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: in the front area that's just got these big old
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: pan head I'm like, holy shit, these guys are in
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: on it.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah they know. No, the people who were, like the
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: owners of Ashley Furniture probably definitely know. I mean, that's
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: why I mean the next time we go and look
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: for some cool garden stuff and try to find me
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: a little green Man face to put out.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: There and tell you.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Speaking of that green Man, it was was payan Ever
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: depicted as like, uh, kind of a representation of the
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: green Man.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Well, dude, his face is an art motif, like for instance,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: at the Ashley Furniture store with the big old fountain
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: that's in the front area, it's his face repeated over
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: and over again around the outside of this fountain. So
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: it's almost exactly like the green Man and motif style.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: You know, they use his face as that motif on
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: top of like a thing that represents natural beauty to
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: you or whatever. He's sort of like that rustic element
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: there of this god watching from the woods.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Wow man and that that makes so much sense with that,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: uh when you brought up the ritual for young boys,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: because you know, nighttime represents ignorance, right and then uh
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: and in some in some of the esoteric traditions, and
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: then the sun brings truth. Right. This this is how
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: it was before fire. You know, people were scared to
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: go out at night because there were scary things in
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: the woods and in the mountains and in those hills,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: in them hills. Yeah. Uh, what was I going to
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: ask you though? Oh? Yeah, so is there a reason
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: that Peter Pan is wearing a green outfit and having
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: green fairy.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, you're starting to see it. So. And
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: also he leads children away the piper.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Right, I was saying because of the you know, yeah, yeah,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: I mean piper.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I think it is like a panlike character. You know,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: he can control the animals with his pipe, and he
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: marches right into town and you know they don't pay
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: him his due, so he walks out with all the kids.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: You know, I was gonna say, in all all the boys,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: all the little lost boys are dressed in animal skins too. Wow, man,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: was Captain Hook like the good guy in that You're
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: trying to.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Freedom Boys.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I think there's a real problem with a lot of
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: the literature from that time period. I think they were
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: using this stuff as programming material. I really do.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I think with what we know about Disney now, dude.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, such as that one it's Alice in Wonderland,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: you know, right?
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Ah? Man, yeah, and you got the animal symbolism and
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: that with the donkey, Dude, do you even need to
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: go there?
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Still need to get it less, Still need to get
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: the book.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Which one?
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: What is it, the the Golden Donkey?
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Golden Ass, the Golden Asses.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Need to get it.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Need to get it, man, Yeah, it's worth it. Second
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: century a d at its finest. So they're not they're
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: not pulling punches. It is a weird book. It's like vignettes, right,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: So as he's making this journey transforming himself into a donkey,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: these other stories are happening, right, So it would be
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: perfect for TV, just abs. I don't know why they
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: haven't picked it up. It's like the very first TV script.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: So it's like Outer Limits or you know, one of
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: those other vignette TV shows where something else is happening
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: as the main character is doing this other thing, and
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: so yeah, it's just very strange. But it's like it's
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: laid out kind of like a play, and at the
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: end he is justified and exalted by Isis and Osiris
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: of all.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Characters another green man.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm, So he.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Joins the cult of Eleusis.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, that's that's that's something. Once I read that
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: me and you're gonna have to sit down and talk
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: You're gonna want to go chapter by chapter because it
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: is shocked full of just strange, interesting references.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Well, i'll get it here in the next week. And
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: when I tell you I'll do something, damn it, I'll
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: do it. You know, most people. When I was telling
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: people for about six seven months, hey we're going to
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: do twin peaks watch parties on Patreon, guess what, we
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: started doing them. Uh and then more than that, so
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: uh you know yeah, and guys, hey, sorry about the
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I had like two shows. I had two people cancel
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: on me this week and uh yeah, so sorry about
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: all that. This week I'm supposed to be a couple
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: pretty good shows that we had lined up. But anyway,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: sorry to take away.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: That's fine.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: So the pan pipes this is you know, The origin
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: of his pan pipes is often, you know, more important
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: than where he comes from and who his parents are.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: But it says playing his pan pipes and chasing the nips,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: one of these pities fled his advances and was transformed
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: into a mountain pine, the God's sacred tree. So this
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: is an interesting story, kind of like Daphne and Apollo, right,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: And it says another cyrinx escaped but was turned into
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: a clump of reeds, from which Pan crafted his pipes.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: A third echo was cursed to fade away for spurning
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: the God, leaving behind just a voice to repeat his
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: mountain cries.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: So this comes in threes, and it's talking about the
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: niphs that he is pursuing. So this energy is pursuing
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: after these things, and that creates the sacred items.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Is he a nymph him himself or is he's a satyr?
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: But a nip would be like kind of a tree
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: and meadow spirit, you know.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Right, right, Well, there's different types of like there's mold,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: like there's a lot of types of dryads, right, and
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: like naiads and stuff. There's like near ads. I actually
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: wrote a lot of it down because I figured we
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: would talk about it probably on another episode. Uh. I mean,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: this is just already the nymphs of the breezes, which
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: is privalent to like the sylphs, you know, like the
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: So that's crazy, man. I found a lot of there's
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: like fresh water nips, tree and forest nips, flower nips,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: mountain nips. Like that's crazy, dude, But it makes sense.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: There's different energies and spirits to each of these aspects
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: of nature.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I think it's one of the reasons why
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: the rust that gods are so important because if you
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: could think of these energies having a continuation or continuity
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: all the way up to today and think about maybe
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: these fairies and UFO connection. They were kind of in
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: on that back then, and they understood that these things were,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: you know, shape changers, right, they were all shape changers.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: And so now we're starting to get the hit that
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: something else is going on here with this sort of
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: rust that god realm right, something else is happening here
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: that they were identifying back then that now we're just
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: starting to get into and understanding that there's this other place,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: other dimensional quality to this stuff that they were interacting with.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: And we kind of lost it, and we vilified it
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: and demonized it, and now we're here with these alien abductions.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: Headless.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, you don't believe in the cattle mutilations.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Bruh, Well let's let's let's say the cattle mutilations are
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: real and it's the result of being bad neighbors to
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: these guys for two thousand years.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: I think it's all just rituals. I think the the
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: elite maybe, I think they may be mutilating these cattles
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: and using uh maybe both their blood and their organs
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: for stuff. And then you got uh the what do
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: they called crop circles, right, which are just sigils.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: You know, once we get into our Staus, we'll cover
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: all that stuff because our Steus is like the god
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: who did the first Bogonia ritual, which was central to
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: the worship, especially at the Torobolium and uh Rome, right,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: So the Torobolium was a type of Bogonia ritual that
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: was started with this rustic Apollo character. But we'll get
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: into that. I think that's gonna be an interesting episode.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: So you know, again you've got Echo, you've got cyrincx
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: and pities, right, So that's sort of the triad where
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: he gets his pan pipes from which creates this echo, right,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: and so he's very heavily associated with frequency, and again
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: also goes into why he would be the god of
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: everything since frequency is part of his traits. Pan was
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: depicted as a man with the horns, legs and tail
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: of a goat, thick beard, snubnose, pointed ears. He can
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: often appear in scenes in the company of Dionysus, very
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: good friends with his buddy Dionysus. He's the entertainment. Dionysus
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: brings the wine. It's a good time. Also, I don't
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: know if they had the depiction of Pan at the
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Olympics when they were trying to do this gay Dionysus ritual.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I was so gay, man, You're like, oh dude, ah.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: That disturbed me seeing that guy's balls that close to
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: that child.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I was like, were you listening to Canvas Kansas or
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: what's their name Candas? Yeah, Kansas is some inside info
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: on that that ritual. So that was that was actually
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: requested by Bridget McCrone. She wanted that artist because he
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: was that gay to do that ritual, the Dionysis homosexuality ritual.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: That they put on the Olympics. So that came from
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Emmanuel mccrone's wife, her father, who.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: I was about to say, best friend's father. Yeah, right, yeah, bizarre,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Thank you guys. Yeah, this was the last show up,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: last show, last minute show jester. We we uh, we
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: were going to do it earlier, but I had to
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: go take my son up and headless, had to take.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: A sleep off the work. I had a work hangover.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: So in the Classical Age, the Greeks associated his name
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: with the word pan with all. However, its true origin
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: lay in the Old Arcadian word for rustic. But why
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: wouldn't rustic also mean all right? It's all rustic at
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: that time.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: Right right.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Pan was closely identified with several other Rustic deities, including
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Aristaeus Shepherd, god of the northern of Northern Greece, who
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: shared the god's titles of agrias hunter and no moist shepherd,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: the pipe playing Phrygian satyr Marsius, who challenged Apollion to
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: a musical contest, and Agipeia a japan the goat fish
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: god of the constanly capricorn. Sometimes pad was multiplied into
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: a host of panties or a triad of gods named
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Agrius no moist and for us.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Wait are you talking about a Frygian singer?
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Well, this is uh you know again back to the
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Phrygian thing.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: You know, this is also in uh Freya or.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: No, Phrygia is in northern Anatolia, well, central Anatolia.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: So like written, okay, okay, I thought, uh that's Freegian's
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: never mind.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, Phrygia and Friesland.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Phrygia and Phrygia.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there is a crossover because they were Germanic. There,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: that's the order.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, Oh I'm glad I said something. Yeah, no, oh yeah.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: When they had their their big Viking era in Phrygia,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: they were wearing the Frygian cap. But no, Fridgie and
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Phrygia have nothing to do with each other.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I downloaded the Orlanda and uh, fascinating stuff.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Dude.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I'm just like this deep in there and it's already
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: I'm just like wow. So yeah, you're gonna have to
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: hop on a bunch of these episodes with me. This
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: is my first time really diving into like the Greek
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: pantheon the Roman pantheon, like you know, my first year
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: upgrade Pield was focused mostly on the Sumerian pantheon. You know,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: so I've actually learned quite a lot from you. Dude.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I want to get I want to get the
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: influences lined up, you know, because we think that everything
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: going on in the you know, Fertile Crescent and over
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: the Levant and all the rest of that stuff is
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: our history. But is it? Is it? So like you know, yeah,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: they've got the origin of the first written language and
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: sumer But how much of an influence was that until
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: the Canaanite Phoenician time, which is thousands of years later?
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: You know. So let's let's let's we understand that's Middle
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Eastern history. Let's go over and do some of our
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: own history, because you might be able to track it
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: better in your own society, because this is the stuff
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: that's sort of bubbling around in your subconscious mind, right.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean, if anything has something to look at,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: you know, like, I don't know why people limit themselves
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: to certain information, and right even if you know this, oh,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: this could change my view on something.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: And it's like, you know, I.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. I like I like the Sumerian stuff.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I get into that as well.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: I'm just the contrast in the Sumerian and some of
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: the Greek stuff is like some of these Greek deities,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man, maybe a lot older than we know,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Like when you get into you know, the weird incarnate, Yeah, I.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Mean other than thrace and the Addis Kaibali worship that
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: goes back twenty thirty years. It's old as fuck, older
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: older than fuck. I mean, yeah, Kaiberli and Addis worship
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: goes worry fucking back there, and people hardly even realize that.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: You know. It's like, actually, you know that whole castration
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: cult thing that was one of the oldest in the world.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: So what the hell was going on with humanity back then?
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people are onto that
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: question yet. But there's something strange happening with our origin
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: story that is not pretty. It's really dark.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I think people are finding out more and more,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: and yeah, there's not many people talking about this stuff now.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I think Robbie Marx is a really good source on
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: that because he gets deep into that Kybali and Adas
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: worship and how it matrixes into all these stories in
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: the Bible and all these different influences It's like this
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: was deep in that subconscious mind of man and it
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: stuck and there was something going on back then.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: So yeah, now, Kybali similar to Artemis right.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: In some ways. Yeah, there's the crossover between the Artemis
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: covered in all of those weird bull testicles that's supposed
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: to be sort of like the Artemis Kaibali.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, have you ever seen that?
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Let me look that up.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: I read about it. That's that's why I have put
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: that down. Let's see.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, guys. They turned this road out here into
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: a freaking motorcycle rally. Every time I.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Figured, I figure that's what it was. Man, I was like,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I'm hearing motorcycles on as as l.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: When you go back to.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Asizel, this is the same deity they're talking about. That
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: is Marduke in Samaria. Uh and yeah, he is their scapegoate.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: He is their satan, uh, their adversary.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: And Sin. It's funny that you know Sin is the
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: name of a deity, right, it's the name of the
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: moon god.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Diana of Ephesus, What is this thing?
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: What the hell?
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Oh? Come on, just show me the freaking picture of it.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Can you zoom in? Try to zoom in, dude.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I'm trying. Man. They they make this as hard as
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: par possible to just click on the picture and just see.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: I know it used to be so easy.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Bro, they make things worse. They are technology is ship.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: I miss my fucking like flip phones and and like, dude,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: I I mean I say that now right until I
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: need to use an app, you know, my region's app
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: or whatever. Somebody, hold on, hold on? Who wasn't subliminal?
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: So I thought that.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: They are?
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: WHOA because I know, like you know, in some Hindu
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: depictions of some like certain deities.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: You got three right again, we're going okay, So thrace
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: or anatotal Northern anatotal?
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: What is thrace? Dude? Because I've been reading We've been
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: reading one uh, and this is a book I think
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: you'd be you'd love to come on the adepts in
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: the Western Esoteric tradition. The next section we're reading on
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: is about Merlin, and so I really want you to
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: come on. It's every Saturday morning and Nick is usually
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: there with us. So the next time we do this book,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: i'd love to have you there.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: You got it. So this is Diana of Ephesus, and
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: that is Diana is a syncretism of Artemis. And this
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: is in Ephesus, which is in Anatolely as well. And
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: this is later production, but it's supposed to represent a
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: lot of the kind of Kaibali worship that was happening
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: way way back in the distant past. And Anatolya. Thrace
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: is like the Okay, do you know where the Bosphorus
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: River is. It's the separation line between East and west. Right,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: So on the right side you've got Turkey, which is
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Asia minor right, and on the left side of the
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: bos Vorus you've got Europe. So this is you know
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: when whenever people talk about East versus West, they're talking
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: about the Bosphorus, right.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: I see it, Okay, I see what you're talking about. Thracia, Yeah,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: next to Constantinople.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, ok Why did they start Constantinople?
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Right? So anyways, Thrace was associated with Phrygia as well.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: The Phrygians fought the Uh, they weren't the Persians at
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: the time. I think it was the Neo Syrian Empire.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I could be wrong on that, but uh, the Phrygians
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: were always seen as being valiant in battle, and that
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: that cap representing freedom because they were able to hold
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: off this force of invaders that were trying to take
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: their homeland. Right. And so these Phrygians, you know, soon
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: after being you know, integrated into the rest of that
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: society kind of were the the go betweens for the
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: what are they called, the Scythians and the Greeks. So
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: the Scythians were these tribesmen up in the northern parts
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: of you know, the Grecian plains or whatever, and they
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: these tribal groups acted as the goldsmiths of the Greeks
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: and the police force. So they were also the inspiration
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: for all of Greek philosophy. Interesting, and the Scythians, they are,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: you know, basically nomadic. And how does this nomadic group
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: come to be such central pillars in Greek society. Well,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: the Scythians as a group were more proto Germanic or
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: proto Indo European than the Greeks, who kind of settled
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: and adopted some of the way of their neighbors. Right,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: So the original proto Indo European lifestyle was one of
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: being a nomadic herdsman. And those were the seed cultures
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: for things like Rome, things like Greece. Things like all
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: of that stuff came from this group of religious nomads
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: that worshiped this dus patter character, God the Father. And
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: when they first settled in the area, it was in
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Thrace and this was way way back, and so they
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: had all of this weird custom that went back to
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: the time. Well, I mean it could have been, right,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: this could have been going back e Tepi time. Right,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, you see what I'm saying.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: So that links does that link these tribes to that site?
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, the mythical homeland of the Scythians is in Thrace.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: The mythical homeland for the Romans was Troy, and the
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: mythical homeland for the Greeks was this separate what are
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: they called. It was a separate band of horsemen that
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: came in from the north, which really sounds a lot
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: like the Scythians, maybe a Scythian cousin group. But that's
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: sort of like everybody drew their origin point back to Thrace. Okay,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: and where do we see Paul Paul the Apostle writing
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: all of his letters to the seven churches in Turkey.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: And in Constantinople right right, Well.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: At wasn't the only dying in rise in god well,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: constantineble didn't exist yet. Well oh okay, yes, but it wasn't.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: It wasn't called that Eastern Roman Empire yet. No, that
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: came later. But it came for the very same reason
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: that Christianity was so important to the region. Is because
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: the Eastern Roman Empire was keeping out the Persians and
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: they could not allow Turkey to fall Anatolya to fall
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: to the Persians, or else the Persians would start sweeping
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: the rest of the region.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Is Sparta and all that, or is this later on.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Much later, much later?
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: So the Persians were on like a war path for forever.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: It's always been East versus West.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: It's always further west. Yeah, I was gonna say so
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: it took them that long to damn dude. So there's
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: just so back then there was just always a war
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: going on somewhere.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Between East and west. Wow, Persia tried to invade Greece.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: This is where you get three hundred from.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: That's okay, right, right, okay, yeah.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Always always always a conflict. So before that, Troy was
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: on Anatolia or Asia, right, and Greece invaded Troy, and
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: then all the survivors from Troy sailed around and started Rome.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Greece invaded Troy because of one dude, Yeah,
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: because of Helen, right, right.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: Do you think there's.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Any there's any symbolism to that story?
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, big time, Yeah, big time. Yeah. I don't
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: know if I have the context for it, but yeah,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: that seems.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Right, right, I was gonna say, yeah, I was just
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: that's just an off off question. So yeah, I love
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: that movie. It's a great movie. Sorry, keeping it up.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Well, the weird little spot in Turkey that was so important. Right,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: as Rome is being invaded by Hannibal, Right, they're instructed
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: by their holy books, the Sibling Prophecy or the Sibling Oracles,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: to go to Turkey and retrieve this stone of Kybali
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: and bring it to Rome, bringing the old, old old
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: goddess back to her people in Rome. And that's what
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: would allow them to defeat Hannibal. And so they went
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: and they took back Kybali worship into Rome.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: They took, yes, yeah, and it granted them a victory.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Granted them the victory. Eventually they had to invade Spain
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: to get it done, but yeah, they won, and then
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: they wiped out, you know, all of Kartha, you know,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: close to one hundred and fifty years well maybe more
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: like seventy five years later. So that was a big
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: That was a big blow. That was a big defeat
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: for Canaanite Phoenicians big time. They hate Rome for that.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: But Hannibal came in from the north.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Is that became amele.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: No, No, this is before that, so.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: That goes further back. Okay, okay, I didn't know if
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: that is what you know made Rome, you know kind
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: of what up until now right, I mean literally up.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: The Greeks were more in conflict with the Israelites at
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: this time than the Romans were.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I appreciate you clearing all this up for me.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: I'm just happy to yah.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's it's all a timeline issue. Once you get
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: the timeline of classic world down pretty well, you can
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: really see how things are unfolding today because a lot
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: of the same grudges still exist from the classical period
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: into the present, and nobody's willing to acknowledge that. Nobody,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: because the whole world falls apart at that point. We're
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: built off of these you know, uneasy compromises of ideology
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: and peoples from that time period, right, especially in Turkey,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: especially in Turkey, because Turkey used to be Greek, all Greek,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: and now it's all Turk.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: That's that's mind blowing, dude.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that the Turks came from Afghanistan.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: So they just invaded and yeah, took.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: It from the Greeks, and the Greeks always fought hard
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: for this this plot of land from the Persians, and
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: the Persians took the Turks and basically allowed them to
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: completely occupy and take over that place because you know,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: when they were fighting the Ottomans, right, the Ottomans weren't
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Turkish yet, you know, well they kind of were, but
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: again it was that Turkic sort of influx.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: So were they still when they were Ottomans or No?
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Not really, not really, they were already okay, I figured
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: they had already uh been invaded.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Right, So the Orthodox Christian Church did not have you know,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: a real policy against uh, you know, race mixing, so
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: they had a lot of Turks come in during that
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: time period. And then when they all converted over to Islam,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: the Ottoman or the the Eastern Orthodox shrank and shrank
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: and shrank until it was basically nothing. And then right,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: these were the most unimpenetrable walls imaginable. We're talking about,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: uh six walls. I think that were about, you know,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: thirty yards deep, right, and there was no way anybody
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: was getting in there until the invention of gunpowder. And
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: then the Ottoman Turks built the world's well, it was
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: the world's only canon at that time, but it was
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: also the world's biggest cannon. And when they would fire
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: this thing off, it would kill four to five people
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: who were loading it every single shot. It was like
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: over one hundred feet long, and they took aim with
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: these massive fricking cannonballs that just blast the walls of
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: Constantinople to absolute nothing.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Warfare used to be so much cooler than it is today, dude.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: You know the worst part The guy who invented this
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: cannon for the Turks had gone to Constantinople first with
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: his idea about gunpowder, and Constantinople rejected his ass damn.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: And that's why they built the world's biggest fucking cannon
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: and blue holes and Constantinople and why they're ruling Turkey
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: to this day. Yeah, thanks Christianity.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Where So where did pan come come into all this.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: We're uh.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, we're going well back over to Arkadia, which Arcadie
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: is yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So Artemis is you know,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: this guy of the wild, god of the wilderness, and
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: she is also let me see, she is also heavily
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: associated with Diana, and from the ideas that I kind
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: of have, I think she might have been the inspiration
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: or the original seed for Collie worship as well in India.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're right, dude, this goes into uh, you know,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: ishtar worship as as well, that same feminine archetype.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Very much related. There's a definite tie between Kaybali is
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: all the rest of that stuff too.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: So again tant right, not yet, and.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: It comes different when they get to North Africa.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay. I was gonna say, because we talked about
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: Tannet and that actually lines up when when we were
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: talking about it, I believe Tannet lined up with the
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: goddess of the underworld in Mesopotamia, e Rishkagal I believe
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: her name is, and apparently you know, the mother of
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Lily to Lilith and in that story. But look at that, dude,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just the sister of ishtar, right if
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: you put it in like some kind of pantheon or whatever.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: So it's it's the same, it's it's the same worship,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: you know, and in my opinion, you're you're you're just
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: worshiping the same same archetype.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I pulled something up. I was on
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: a different one. Let me let me show you this.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: This is a great image of Diana.
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  Speaker 2: Diana. You never hear that name anymore, man.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: No, No, it's it's deep underground. But our entire Washington,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: DC complex is built off of the Diana worship. Real Columbia, Yeah,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Columbia is a derivation of Diana.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that. Oh yeah, wow.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: What do you think of that thing? So Artemis lips
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: and people who don't know about the goddess there again,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: you know, no offense, but there's a reason why they
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: cut you off from this kind of knowledge.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, we talk about it all the time, dude.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: They don't want to know this stuff, right, Yeah, that's
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: why they Yeah, they destroy everything, they destroy everything. Oh god,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: she is that milk?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: That's a fountain?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Oh it's water. I don't know why I asked if
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: that was milk.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Sorry, that's fucking powerful. I mean, look at that, right,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: This is like order. Dude.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Is that like a little unculus.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's got these two weird little unculus and then
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: she's got the apples all in this wreathe around her neck. Yo. Yeah,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: and then.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: She's got that kind of thought. There were pine cones
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: for a second.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: But aura around her head?
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, is that her halo?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's way more than a fountain.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: Damn man, that's a right, I.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Mean, there's something else to that energy. But again, like again,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: one of the most ancient goddesses ever and we're talking
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: about it like it's it's nothing like this goes deep
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: deep into the into the you know, human DNA, right, Well,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, do you know about the rat ancestral memory studies? No,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: So they started doing this process where they would take
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: these male rats and then introducing them to a stimuli
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: over and over again until they would respond in a
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: certain way. Right, you know, they might give them food
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: pellets or whatever. Once they dot sugar.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: Right, they would give them sugar and they put them
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: in in the find their way to the little island.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Well where they'd zap them, right, so they could they
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: could have a negative reinforcement for their training as well.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: And then they took the offspring of these rats completely separated,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: they never had any contact with their fathers, introduced the
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: same stimulus and found that the offspring of these rats
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: had a similar response to their parents. And they've repeated
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: the study over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, what I'm thinking about is they fed the rats
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: like they just fed the rat. They fed one rat
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: very healthy, and they would put them in this like
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: I guess it was milk. Maybe it looked it was
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: just like water, I don't know. And it would swim
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: and there's this little island in the middle, and it
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: find its way. They would feed the other rat like
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: just you know a lot of process like sugars and
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: just a bunch of shit that's found in like stuff
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: we eat, right goyslop you know as some call it.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: And this rat could not find its way to the island,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: and dude like swimming around just like running out of
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: bread like all fucking you know. Just I was like, dude,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: just seeing that from that point of view of being
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: like that's us, Well, that's what they want us to be,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: you know. I Mean, that's what a lot of us
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: have a cumelets let's uh, let's not a lot of ourselves,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: not us obviously, guys. We are We're chosen. Okay. But
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: so Fawnas is this is uh? Was there anything different
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: with fawness? Well, you're getting into this, sorry, I I
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: just wanted to ask you, uh, any different?
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think the Arcadian cults pretty
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: well defined what Pan was when it spread all over
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: the place. Fawnas was pretty similar to Pan because it
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: was that well the find and that recognizable that people
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: really did have a kind of a common thing about it.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Did the word fawn exist already or is that where
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: the word fawn came from?
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Well again in Greek and Satyr. But fawn, I think,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: is Latin for the same thing.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, I have to ask.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: So. In the parentage of Pan, it says Hermes came
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: to Arcadia, the land of mini springs and mother of flocks,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: where his sacred place as God of Celine. For there,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: through a god he used to tend curly fleeced sheep
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: in the service of mortal of mortal man, because there
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: fell on him and waxed a strong melting desire to
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: wed the rich trust daughter of Driopos, And there he
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: brought about the merry marriage. And in the house she
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: bare Hermes, a dear son from whom his birth was
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: marvelous to look upon, with a goat's feet and two horns,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: a noisy, merry, laughing child. But when the nurse saw
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: his uncouth face and full beard, she was afraid and
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: sprang up and fled and left the child. Then luck
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: bringing Hermes, received him and took him in his arms.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Very glad in his heart was the god, and he
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: quickly to the abodes of the deathless gods, carrying his son,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: wrapped in warm skins of mountain hares, and set him
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: down beside Zeus showed him to the rest of the gods.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: Then all the immortals were glad in heart, and Bachaus
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Dionysus in a special and they called the boy Pan,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: derived from the word pantes, meaning all, because he delighted
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: all their hearts. Wow, So I think that's rather interesting.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: You got a lot interesting.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So what's the connection between Hermes and Pan? And
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: usually if you think about the gods as like two thoughts,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: beget a third thought, right, So when you have two thoughts,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: occurring simultaneously in your head, you get a resulting thought,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: you know, problem reaction solution, the Hegelian dialectic sort of thing. Right, Well,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: if you think about that in terms of gods, you've
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: got this god of speed, right, he is the messenger
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: of the gods. He goes directly to the highest god,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: which would be Zeus, right, and he spreads the word
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: of Zeus. And now he's working as a shepherd in Arcadia,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: and he finds this local girl that he falls in
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: love with and creates this hideous monster. And this was
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: because he was.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: Part demi god, right or he he was. He was
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: from Mount Mount Mount Olympus right, right.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: But Hermes was also part mortal as well, so he
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: was a demi god. Really he came he came through
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: a mortal woman. Yes, he was one of Zeus's philander rings.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: All the best gods come from his philanderings.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: Interestings like his bastards.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Right, bastards have all the power, dude.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. So that it's like they have this aspect
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: of the gods in this aspect of the humans, like
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: of the mortals, and it's more powerful than that of
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: the god because of what the humans have in them
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: that divine spark.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: Right, Harry's children are boring as hell, dude.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: Har that's something else, dude, that sister wife. And it's
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: funny you were talking about earlier one goddess that manifested
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: as a cow or whatever you said, that he turned
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: her into a cow.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Io is the syncretism for the Egyptian I can't believe
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: I'm blanking on her name, Hathorpe.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, dude, this goes all right, and I'm not. And
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe the gods of Mesopotamia and you know,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: the Babylonian gods all all that that can they aren't
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: the same as these other guys, or maybe there is
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: some similarity.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: But okay, hold on. They the Typhon saga.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: Well yeah, if you haven't the Typhon saga, all the
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: gods escaped to Egypt and then they transform into these
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: animals as a disguise, and it's all the animals sacred
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: to the Egyptian gods.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, Yeah, And Typhon was so low to the
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: ground as a crocodile right in Greek.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: He was a mini tentacled beast god with massive limbs
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: and he was giant. You know, he's one of these
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: giant monster. I guess you could call him like a
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: what do they call kaiju? He was kind of like
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: a monster kaiju thing.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know you had that famous, famous depiction
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: of Hermes or Thoat stepping on him, right, which is like,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: you know, very symbolic stepping on on the serpent.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Well, Typhon in Greek was was a little bit different.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: But yeah, the the typhonic alligator. I don't know if
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: that was called typhon or not, but that was the
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: one that would eat your heart if it was too heavy, right,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: I gotta get better on that.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure in Egypt it was a
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: crocodile maybe. But if if you go to like if
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: if you type in Typhon here you can find a
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: picture of them. But nin her sag also Ninma who
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: is in Little an Inky's sister wife, which you see
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: was Zeus and Hara right, and you see and and
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: other I'm pretty sure and and and other pantheons. I
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: don't know, I'd have to look, but she was known
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: as Ninma and then later because when when they were
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: on Earth, they started the age, right, this is this
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: is the story and she became known as the Lady
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: of the Mountain, and but she was made fun of
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: because she resembled she had a a and this was
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: drawn up in some carvings like she would have like
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: the face of a cow. Uh, Like she was like
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: this woman but like had a cowish face, and so
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: like people would make fun of the Lady of the
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: Mountain or whatever. So she chrone or whatever, you know,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: transformed it because she was obviously like this maiden goddess
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: for so long, you know, and was you know, it
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: probably looked at as beautiful and then became this woman
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: of the mountain because she she uh from what the
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: story or the mythology says, she hated seeing her family
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: destroy each other, right in which they did. But I
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: just thought that very interesting. And then you you you
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: brought a pathwor as well, and in my research that
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: that that the ity ties directly in the hat ord.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: So there's a real huge connection that goes on with
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: these rustic gods and the animal spirits, especially the bull
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: and the you know, the moon of horns. That's a
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: big rustic uh you know factor as well. So there's
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: you know a lot of that stuff.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: In the horns represent lunar.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: Sometimes, yes, Oftentimes it's associated with uh, you know, royalty
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: or the highest tribal leader. Right, So the people who
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: wear the horns.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: Of the houses is depicted with horns in some pictures, dude, yes.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Right, as you know, as well as the depictions of
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: the devil. You know, the devil has the horns because
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: he represents the old higherarchy. You know what hierarchy means
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: in Greek? No divine order? Oh wow, yeah, hierarchy like
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: the hiros gamos. Do you know about the hiros gamos?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: No, haveless, I do not. You're teaching me so so
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: many things. I'm learning so much.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: It's called the holy sacred It's the divine union between
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: God and man and also God and woman and holy sex.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: The hiros gamos anytime they would have these fertility rituals
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: where the emperor would go out and bang the high
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: priestess in the fields, that's hiroscamos. All of the stuff
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: going on with uh priapists that we were talking about
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: last time hidros gamos. So there is an element to
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: all of this that includes sexual acts that does not
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: get recognized in other religions because it's too old and
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: too ancient for them to even talk about, right, it
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: came out of fashion, you know, but you can still
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: see elements of it within the whole saga. So this
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: is Typhon in Greek. So Typhus. Typhon was a monstrous
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: storm god ding ding ding ding Ding who laid siege
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: to Heaven but was defeated by Zeus imprison in the
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: pits of Tartarus. He was the source of devastating storms
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: which Itch issued forth from the dark Nether Realm. Later
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: poets describe him as a volcano giant trapped beneath the
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: weight of Mount Etna, one that still goes off to
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: this day in Sicily.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: He was trapped. So that's the same as Apollyon, right.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: No, Apollyon is well if you go into Revelations story
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: being in the pit, right, it's close. It's close, right,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: But if you look into the origin myth of pat
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: most I can look that up in a minute. But
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: it has to do with Apollo going down a well.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: And so what you see in Revelations is that Apollo
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: is in the pit. So he could be doing a
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: diatribe on the origin story of the island that he
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: was on, you know, because he hated all the other gods.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: He was very Jewish, cried out as he stroked them.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: You know, they'd like to see that in prison in
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: the Pit of Tartarus. Right, So that's a common theme
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: as well. And uh, you know because the Titans were
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: also imprisoned, imprisoned in the Pit of Tartarus.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Was Tartarius a physical place.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tartars is the underworld. Uh, you've got the Allegium Fields,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: which are in Tartarus. You know, that's sort of like.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: The gm the uh what call the Valleys of Gahina, right.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: Well, that's in the Bible.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know what I mean, like the shield
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: or you know, there's there's there. There's a lot of
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: names for it.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Right, and there's even a fiery part of Tartarus too,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: so it's you know, the Alysium Fields is just a neighborhood.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: Well, people say Hell is fired, but when you look
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: into what hell really is and it's it's ice cold. Right.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: Well, according to what's his name? Hl well, right, but
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: also in the the writings of who's that guy the
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: one who to the underworld with Virgil? Fuck? What's his name?
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: What was that? Anyways? Yeah, it was a cold place.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: There were like seven layers of Hell, and they talk
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: about all of this vision from this Christian guy who
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: went to Hell with Virgil and then at the bottom
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: layer of Hell is is now it was much later.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: This is during the Christian period. It was this guy
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: who had a vision of Hell and he wrote it down,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: and it became sort of like Catholic canon about how
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: they how they see Hell's what was it.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: Called, I don't know, I'm trying to find it.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: If you look up virgil Tour Guide through Hell, Dante's Inferno.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: How could I heart that? Yeah, So Dante's Inferno pretty
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: much became, you know, Catholic canon when it came to Hell.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: But in Dante's Inferno again, Hell is very cold at
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: the very root of it, right, And also in Norse mythology,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: Hell is the Teutonic goddess of.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: The other one, right right, right right, and.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: She's very cold. So. Typhus was a wing giant, said
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: to be so huge that his head brushed the stars.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: He was man shaped from the waist up two coiled
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: serpents in place of his legs. He had one hundred
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: serpent heads for fingers, mithy, matted beard, pointed ears and
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: eyes flashing in fire. Freaking weird, kind of a Kaiju thing.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: I was thinking, Hell, high, hell him, the realm of health.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, the realm of her Yeah. Okay, great.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: So according to some, he had two hundred hands, consisting
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: of fifty serpent headed fingers on each on each hands
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: had one hundred heads proper. One was human, the other
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: ninety nine beast seal of bulls, bore serpents, lions, and leopards.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: As a volcano demon, Typhus hurled red hot rocks at
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: heaven and fire boiled forth from his mouth. Sounds pretty nasty. Typhus,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: a monster of the primitive world, is described sometimes as
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: a destructive hurricane and sometimes as a fire breathing giant.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: Now again, I'm just describing facets of yahweh.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, well we I mean, you know, Typhus,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: that that name. I didn't even think about that even
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: coming from Typhon dude. Uh yeah. Typhon is is very
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: closely related to set.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: Sometimes, if you look at this depiction, it looks like
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: a Manora. Looks kind of like a Manura with all
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: the snakeheads.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: Hold On is it on the screen, Dude, Yeah wow
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: mm hmm.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: So in Hessien's Theogony, now after Zeus was had driven
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: the Titans out of heaven, gigantic Gaia in love with
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: Tartarus the pit by means of golden Aphrodite bore the
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: youngest of her children, Typhos. So this is the monster god,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: the very last of Gaya's creations of being Mother Earth.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: And this monster was the youngest of all of her children.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: So she Iknitta, the Drakaina, she dragon of del Foy,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: was once what it was at once received from gold
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: throne hera and brought up fell cruel Typhoon to be
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: a plague to men. Once on a time, Hara bore
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: him because she was angry with her father Zeus. When
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: Cronades bare all glorious Athene in his head, thereupon Queen
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: lye Hara was angry and spoke among the assembled gods.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: For some reason, they keep confusing Chronos with Zeus. It's like, hmmm, weird,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: because it's like it says, because she was angry with
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: father Zeus when Kronos bare all glorious Athena in his head,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: it was Zeus that bore Athena in his head, and
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: her father was Kronos. So anyways, thereupon Queen lee Hair
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: was angry and spoke among the assembled gods. Yes, now
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: I will continue that a son be born to me,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: to be foremost among the undying gods, that without casting
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: shame on the holy bond of wedlock between you and me,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: and I will not come to your bed, but I
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: will consort with the blessed gods far off from you.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: When she had so spoken, she went apart from the gods,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: being very angry. The straightaway large eyed Queen lee Heara prayed,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: striking on the ground flat wise with her hand, and
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: thus speaking this here now I pray Gaya and wide
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: Orinos sky above you titans, gods who dwell beneath the earth,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: about great tartars, and from whom are sprung both gods
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: and men. Arken you now to me one at all,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: and grant that I may bear a child. Apart from Zeus,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: no will lesser than him in strength. Nay, let him
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: be much stronger than Zeus, as all seeing seeing Zeus,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: than Chronos. Thus she cried and lashed the earth with
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: her strong hand. Then life giving hera was moved and
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: when Hara saw that, she was glad in her heart,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: for she thought in prayer would be fulfilled. And thereafter
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: she never came to the bed of why Zeus for
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: a full year. But when the months and days were fulfilled,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: the seasons duly came on as the earth moved round,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: she bare one. Neither like the gods nor mortal men,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: fell cruel Typhon to be a plague to men. Straightaway,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: large eyed Queen lee Hera took him, and, bringing one
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: evil thing to another, gave him to the Drakaina, and
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: she received him. And thus Typhon used work to work
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: great mischief among the famous tribes of men pinder Pythian Ode.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: So that's his take that Parrah created this thing because
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: she's a bitch.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: That's very similar to Sophia and y'all to boa. Yeah, no, dude,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sorry, I'm so tripping out about the
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: Typhus Typhon thing. It's like that's like his manifestation as
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: a disease almost, you know, right.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: And so Aknitta is the queen of the monsters, and
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: you really see a lot of kaiju kind of cross
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: over there, right, So this is like the start of
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: Kaiju culture. And then you've got all of the monsters like, uh,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: you know the the Linearian Hydra, right, the one that
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: Hercules fought, that's the product of Aknitta and Typhon. You've
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: got the what's it called Chimera that that other guy
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: fought product of and Typhon, Like these are all the
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: children of this two.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: Parang three headed dog.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: Service I think is also a product of Ignita and Typhon.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: Like all of the weird monstery creatures come through and
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: Typhon that's their brood. And ancient Greek very interesting, which
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: is fun because it creates this sort of contrast. Man
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: is always sort of dealing with these monsters that have
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: been produced from these wars between the gods and these
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: these things, and you know, it's almost like that's your
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: opportunity to become like the gods is by slaying these monsters.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: It's not nice guy, Thanks for writing the st bud
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: speaking of monsters. Well, uh, I think, dude, I think
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: this this was a good idea. To be honest with you,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm pretty excited. We have to come up with
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: an intro. I have to uh, we have to find
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: like a name for for this series or or something.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: I like Rustic Gods, you like the Rustic verse verse
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: the urban gods.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean just going rustic. I mean because we
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: can talk about the urban gods in a whole different series.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah no, that's dude. Yeah no, I'm fine with that.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: Very similar to my elohem etymology episodes what I do
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: with the Sumerian deities. So I'm with it.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: Man, right, And I think, you know, if we have
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: any other people who have contributions too, I think, you know,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: come along. You know, we need we need guests because
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of this stuff that crosses over and
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: nobody knows about it because you haven't told anybody yet.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: So you got to get on the show and then
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: tell people about it so that we could all have
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: more fun thinking about these things in terms of ancient
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: and modern sources that are sort of blending together.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, Like I said, I've always been a big
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: cryptid guy, even though I have never encountered one. Yeah, exciting,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: what's up, guys, it's up our cane hinchee. It's good
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: to see you guys. This was the last show we
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: decided to do.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: I think it came out pretty good.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: Though I meant great, dude, we we did something good here.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: Was there anything else about Pan that you wanted to
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: touch on?
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: The more because we just I mean we stay.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: You know, in terms of if you are going to
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: encounter Pan yourself, right, if you're going to go out
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: into the woods and have an experience where you're inducing
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: panic into yourself so that you can feel and know
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: what it's like and then let it pass through you
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: and not have to deal with it again. It's pretty simple.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: You come up with a song that panned somebody like
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, a horny goat in the
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: woods would enjoy. So it's got to have like a pretty,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: you know, festive beat or something and make it about him.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: Okah, is it like this?
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's gotta have some spice to it.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: This is the one.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: This is the horny goat.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: We won't get a copyright for.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: That, No, not at all. That's the six six sample.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: He's got a six six sixth drap. Did you know that?
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: He's six hundred and sixty six.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: It's number he's six hundred and six. Nice. We we
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: gotta put some more shit.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: It is October, it's uh, we're you know, spooky season.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: Let him who has understanding reckon the numbing on the beast,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: for it is a human number.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: It's number. He's six hundred and sixty six.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: What did Nick used to play that at at at
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: at the beginning of every episode.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: No, when somebody drops the six sixty six, he has
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: to do his six six six drops?
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: Did he do it when the Temple of Set guys
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: came on, Yeah.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: They didn't. They didn't even hear what was going on.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: I missed that one man. I should have been there
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: for that.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: Very interesting.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: He sent it a couple of times because you know,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: people get so superstitious about that number. It's just like,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: come on, you got at least big fun of it.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: A little bit.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, dude, you know, it's all about the
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: the intention of things, and that's pushed on us so much. Uh.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: Me and my buddy John Ley Chowback actually talked about that. Uh.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: You know, when you get into the number thirty three
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: and other numbers, you know it, you find them a
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: lot more sinister or used. And you know, rituals that
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: are you know a lot of sacrificals, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: some some along the lines of that but you know the.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: Sixth, only thirty three hours after the death of Charlie
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: Kirk did they find him. He does this all the time.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: He's like, stretch me out. So I got to pick
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: him up and shake him around. Dude. Cats love that.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: Cats like to be stretched like a Paparently it's it's
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: healthy for.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: Him, right. And plus if you're doing it, they're not
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: clawing up the furniture because they're trying to stretch all that.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: There was a little mouse out in the garage last week.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: I was just like, fuck, I gotta get a cat.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: We live in the country, dude, I have to. We
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: have him. We have a multi pooh. He's not going
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: to do much. He barks a lot from behind a
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: glass door. But but uh actually he's got some balls, dude,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: and we're considering his are gone. Uh yeah he uh no,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: we're fucking with the soundboard. Cue calm down, you Connie
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: is a cryptid and head. Let's got to get you
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: on for a cryptid watch. Dude, come hang out. We
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: can just watch crypti videos and fuck around.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: Man, we need to go on a goat man hunt.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: We got to catch this dude, and we got to
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: feed him a lot of beer. I think that's that's
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: the key. You got to go find one of these dudes. Man.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: Uh, we can trap them somehow.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: Thirty six pack of bush light and just watch what, dude.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: I guarantee you if we encountered something like that, there
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: would be men in black there in two seconds, some
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: weird shape shipping ass dude.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: Uh is why you got to bring the beer. Because
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: if you bring the beer and the Feds don't have
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: any beer, who do you think the cryptid's gonna go with?
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: Who do you think the horny goat man's gonna hang
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: out with?
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, that's all I'm saying. Shot all the cryptids
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: out there. Yeah, no, stretch the cats out, yeah me
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: or not? Not not the way you're thinking about it.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: That's why I didn't say it like that.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: About to say my audience has taken over the chat.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: It's about that time we shared the stream. Come on,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: share the stream.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, be sure to like the stream. And this
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: was fun, dude, this was real fun. Like I said,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: I'm stoked to talk about the dry Ads and the
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: Naiads because we've been getting in on the esotery book reviews.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: We've been talking about the elementals and stuff, so it
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: ties right into all of that and how you know
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: people we also talked about in this one book, how
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: people can manipulate the elementals. You know, folks using high
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: magic or something dark magic could manipulate these forces of nature, right.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: I think we have a very good relationship with these things.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: No, No, especially what we've done to the earth by
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: just fucking littering. Dude, Like whenever I see a plastic
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: bottle on the ground, I always pick it up, like
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: I try to. I don't know, I just it's something
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: that hits me that just feels wrong, you know, like
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: God created this earth for us to live on, and
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: we're just gonna ship ship on it, you.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: Know, fucking destroyed. What are we doing? And it's not
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: that hard, it's really not like what are we doing
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: as a society. We've lost our damn minds. And I
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: think that's what this this whole transitional phase we're going
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: through right now kind of represents.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: This panic that we're going through.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: Panic, the panic.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, the next big thing, the next big
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: thing is going to be a Satanic panic, And dude,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: it's already happening.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: They're gonna start I mean, dude, that's what the whole
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: celebrity thing is. I'm like, half of these celebrities don't
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: know what.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: The fuck they're even pushing, you know.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: What I mean. I mean there are some that you know,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: especially the ones that you see, you know, the biggest
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: stars for however many years. You know, they have to
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: pay a price to stay on that main stage. Well,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: here's a actresses that were from the nineties and up. Dude,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about. You'd see him in
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: these random movies, you know, comedy movies, and then you
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: never see him again. Like after a certain time. There
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: were a bunch of actors and actresses that kind of
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: like it seemed like they got the fuck out, and
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: it's like, hey, if you want to keep playing the game,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: you gotta pay, you know, Like, I don't know.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: Here's it. Here's an alternative, just a modest suggestion. Michael
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: Ikeno wrote the book.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: My Mine More Yeah.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty about using a native culture as a
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: weapon against citizens. Right and now, Michael Keto was wrapped
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: up in Vietnam where he would take these big old
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: loudspeakers into the in the jungles and they would play
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: this this sound of you know, like haunted people and
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: screams and stuff at these villages, and they would say,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: my soul can never rest because I joined the Vietnam
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: you know, in vietnamease. So they were using psychological operations
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: manipulating people's native spiritual beliefs to get them not to
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: join the Vietnamese you know, resistance army. Right, and he
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: brought that home. And he's intimately involved in the entire
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: Satanic panic of the nineteen eighties because he's manipulating a
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: native culture spiritual beliefs against it as a weapon. Right.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: So anytime you see these pop stars and shit doing
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: all the satanic stuff, it's because they know they can
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: use your beliefs against you as a weapon. That's why
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: they're doing it.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And I mean now they don't hide it, right,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: I mean used to they'd hide it. Now not at all, dude.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: I'm very curious to see what this bad bunny.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: Guy girl whatever is.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: Is going to do during the Super Bowl. As you know,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: those those are always there's always some weird uh ritualistic
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: shit tied into.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: Those ritualistic shit show, you got it?
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, yeah, dude.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Here's the thing. So, if you
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: can scare people back into the church, right, asses and
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: pews automatically creates pews and asses. Right, you get a
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: lot more people in church. You're gonna have a lot
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: more people joining the military. There's a direct correlation with
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So if you could scare them
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: back county, right, if you if you could scare back
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: into the church, you can get them back to fighting
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: your worst worse for you.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: They use people to own spiritual beliefs against them, just
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: like the nature thing. Right, wow, man, and it works. Hey,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: just that so that that's the whole mind more thing.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: So was a keynote? Was he sent into Vietnam with
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: that intention of doing that? Or did he just like
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: was he just over there and was just like some.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: Like yeah it was it was a propaganda he was.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: He was placed in there for that, Okay.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: He was. He was attached to the Green Berets to
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: do that. So this is special forces ship.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, he was probably who knows, he may have been
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: groomed lieutenant from a child to do stuff like that. Dude.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you haven't done it, go back and watch
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: our Stephen Flowers episode because when I mentioned this stuff,
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Flowers starts to freak the fuck out and he
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  Speaker 1: goes on this weird MK Ultra freaking tirade that almost
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  Speaker 1: got Nick to cancel the screen stream because he was
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  Speaker 1: just weird and being a total weird, Like we didn't
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  Speaker 1: know what he was going to say. He was like
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  Speaker 1: sucking this guy's dick on the air. You know, It's like,
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  Speaker 1: where did this come? I think it was a fucking
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  Speaker 1: MK Ultra trigger, dude, because they were all part of
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  Speaker 1: that program. Stephen Flowers goes back that far and you
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  Speaker 1: can see that trigger start to ca on this automatic
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  Speaker 1: defense mechanism, oh right there on camera.
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  Speaker 2: That is wild, dude. To experience that firsthand.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I knew something was going to kick off, because
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to be talking about nineteen seventies freaking
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  Speaker 1: warfare with the people who are responsible for murdering tens
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  Speaker 1: of thousands of people.
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  Speaker 2: You know, right, My good Yeah, dude, I I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know anyone personally enlisting in the military. If
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  Speaker 2: I do, I got to hit him upside the head.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if you are in the and
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  Speaker 2: and I know you were in the military, thank you
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  Speaker 2: for your service. Has oh, thank me, but uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I just I hate seeing people die for I mean,
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  Speaker 2: let's be honest, for another country, you know, not even
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: for their own country, not even for their own people,
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  Speaker 2: or you know, anybody.
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  Speaker 1: In Washington has any love for their people. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think a single one of them do, even the liberty candidates.
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  Speaker 1: They can't stand all the people attacking them all day.
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  Speaker 1: That's the majority of America. I don't think anybody likes
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  Speaker 1: anybody anymore. I don't think there's anything to like.
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  Speaker 2: It's unfortunate, man, it's unfortunate. Uh you know that my
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  Speaker 2: kids have to grow up in a time like this,
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  Speaker 2: Like that's so just foreign from what I grew up
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  Speaker 2: to or what I grew up around.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes me sad, makes me sad. You guys,
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  Speaker 2: stay stay great, pil guys, stay grateful. Anyway, headless, did
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  Speaker 2: did you want to you want to get out of here?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? This is a great episode.
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  Speaker 2: This was awesome. I had a lot of fun with you, dude.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: I'm stoked for the future and what's to come. I
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know if we have any Occult
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  Speaker 2: Reject shows this next week. Oh yeah, I think Anio
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: sar Room may be coming on this next Friday. He
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: does this spiritual Shade Room. He's a pretty good guy.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: He asked me. I've had a few people ask me
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: to get in touch with you guys, and I'm like, well,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: lucky for you, I'm you know, kind of a part
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: of their show now. So uh yeah, so maybe be
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: getting some guests on there. I know tomorrow morning Esotery
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: book review everybody, if you're a patron, I may just
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  Speaker 2: stream it, uh publicly, and then we'll make it private afterwards.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: We talked about doing that for a few weeks. And
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: then Sound Science tomorrow at five o'clock Central. He'll tune
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: in for that. And then Sunday, I'm having Brian from
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: Demon Erasers on Stoke to talk to him about cryptids.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking about crypts and yeah, been trying
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: to get him on for a minute. Got those shows
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: rescheduled hopefully for the next couple of weeks. I'll keep
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: you guys updated. But besides that, oh yeah, Twin Twin
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: Peaks maybe this weekend. I don't know. We may wait
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: till next week since we're towards the last few episodes
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: our the last several episodes. But yeah, guys, follow me
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  Speaker 2: It's basically a whole different catalog of content and so
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: you know, exclusive Patreon shows. We do watch parties over there,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: about to have some guest episodes. So yeah, and that's it.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: That's it Headless.
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  Speaker 1: You can find me at Twitter and on YouTube at
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  Speaker 1: the Headless Giant Podcast. And if you have any weird
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: emails about paranormal experiences or esoteric experiences or a cryptid experience,
• 1:49:46
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• 1:49:47
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• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: on Thursdays at around six thirty seven pm Central, So
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: check that out. And also I've got the Trialogus coming
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: up this Sunday, and I've got an interview with Universe
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: Unveiled that crew over there coming up I think Saturday.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: So shouts out, you get what's what's that?
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: Trialogs is me Ethan and Ricardo and we sit down
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: on Sunday mornings to Drake Coffee and just go through
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: a bunch of current events, ancient stuff. We bring something
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: to talk about and then we just go back and
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: forth about it. So it's pretty cool.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, I've heard you mentioned that before, but
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think i've checked it out. I gotta check
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: it out sometime, all right, Wes, thanks for tuning in, guys,
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  Speaker 2: Thank you all for tuning in tonight. Yeah, it's getting
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: late here, it's almost been night and go and uh h,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: where's you got it?
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  Speaker 3: Cute autro music, the great pill to everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Have a good night.