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The Late Debate | 6 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Late Debates. You know it, Caleb Vond,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, Hello, Welcome to the show. I'm Daanagity Georgio Tonight,
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  Speaker 1: joined by News twenty four senior reporter Caroline Marcus and
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  Speaker 1: Liberal Waverley City councilor Michelle Stevenson. It's Lady Tonight on
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  Speaker 1: the panel and amazing, well a lady debate. Who needs you?
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  Speaker 2: He's men apart from progression, but like who means that's right?
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  Speaker 3: You don't even need them for that anymore these days
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  Speaker 3: with all the advances.
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  Speaker 4: Don't tell them that they'll get so upset.
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  Speaker 1: And was saying to Michelle before we came on here
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  Speaker 1: we are dressed as festive colors and we didn't man too,
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  Speaker 1: but we are festive this night. But we are festive.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we're celebrating. I'm quite excited to be here
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  Speaker 1: with these two, to be quite honest. Anyway, big show
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  Speaker 1: ahead coming up. The ABC doubles down on its gena
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Hart segment by comparing her to Jabber the Hut,
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  Speaker 1: and then offers up an apology. We're still paying for this.
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  Speaker 1: An AFL club strikes a secret deal to make players
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  Speaker 1: liable for future brain injuries. Should footy stars be liable
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  Speaker 1: for brain trauma or do players willingly take the risk?
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  Speaker 1: And remember all those hilarious zoom meetings that employees shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have done. Well, we've got another one featuring a New
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  Speaker 1: Zealand MP in her bathroom. You won't want to miss it.
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  Speaker 1: But first tonight, ever been in a spot of bother
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  Speaker 1: when you know you're about to lose your driver's license?
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  Speaker 1: Or there might be a black market solution. Desperate drivers
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  Speaker 1: are buying and selling demerit points through online advertisements, offering
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  Speaker 1: cash to strangers willing to falsely claim they were behind
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  Speaker 1: the wheel when a traffic offense was committed, so once
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  Speaker 1: the fine is paid, the demerit points are never recorded
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  Speaker 1: against the real driver, allowing them to avoid a license suspension.
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  Speaker 1: And have a look at this. This is one of
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  Speaker 1: those ads. It says, hey people, I recently just got
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  Speaker 1: my license renewed, and I've got all the merits sitting
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  Speaker 1: there doing nothing. I don't have a car or any
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  Speaker 1: reason to have a license at the moment, so I'm
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  Speaker 1: more than happy to take on some demerits. Someone replies,
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  Speaker 1: where are you located? Another I'm interested now? One page
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  Speaker 1: even advertises a sliding price scale, charging between two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and six hundred dollars depending on the number of demerit
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  Speaker 1: points involved. Now, many of those offering to take the
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  Speaker 1: blame drivers on international driver's licenses because they do not
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  Speaker 1: hold a license issued by the Australian state where the
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  Speaker 1: offense occurred, so they can usually pay the fine without
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  Speaker 1: receiving any demerit points. I think this is an absolute
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  Speaker 1: disaster personally because it means we're going to have more
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  Speaker 1: bad and dangerous drivers on the road. So not only
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  Speaker 1: are they putting themselves at risk, but obviously they're putting
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  Speaker 1: everybody else at risk along the way. Now, it is
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  Speaker 1: not illegal for a registered vehicle owner to transfer demerit
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  Speaker 1: points to another driver if that person was behind the wheel,
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  Speaker 1: but obviously it is an offense if you falsely nominate
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  Speaker 1: a person. Now, a little story of mine while we're
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  Speaker 1: on it. I mean, I actually lost my license when
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  Speaker 1: I was living in Perth, but then I moved to Sydney,
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  Speaker 1: so I got all of the demerit points were all back,
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  Speaker 1: So that's another way to do it. Don't go on
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  Speaker 1: the black market, just move stay absolutely got it all done.
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  Speaker 1: I've got all done. But look, I think this is terrible.
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  Speaker 5: Really, this is just.
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  Speaker 4: Part of the gig economy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, instead of Grandma giving you her points, so
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  Speaker 2: someone else is making money for it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm all for it.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I mean sometimes, I mean we've all been there
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  Speaker 2: where you've just accidentally touched the phone and then bam,
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  Speaker 2: five demerits and if it's like if it's like a
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  Speaker 2: double demerit day, you've lost ten and like then you're
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  Speaker 2: in all kinds of troubles. So look, if I can
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  Speaker 2: buy someone else's demerits, I'm all.
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  Speaker 3: I can't believe you just admitted that you would openly
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  Speaker 3: break the law, because that could potentially cost you eleven
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  Speaker 3: thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 5: Michelle, that is the penalty.
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  Speaker 2: It's not admitting thick allegedly allegedly allegedly convix.
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  Speaker 3: You of doing this, or of either taking someone's demerit
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  Speaker 3: points when you were not the person behind the wheel
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  Speaker 3: or trying to get someone else to claim that they
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  Speaker 3: were behind the wheel when you were really driving. That
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  Speaker 3: is what you're potentially facing up to, eleven thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, how many.
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  Speaker 5: Times is it worth it?
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  Speaker 2: Like, how many times have you taken demerit points off
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  Speaker 2: a family member.
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  Speaker 5: Though never I've never done.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't I'm a perfect driver.
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  Speaker 5: Well you have actually.
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  Speaker 3: Perfect And I know he's not on the set tonight.
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  Speaker 3: But James McPherson couldn't help give me his two cents
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  Speaker 3: when I saw him in wardrobe earlier, he said, you
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  Speaker 3: mean you've got three women drivers talking.
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  Speaker 1: About seriously those blokes wait wait till I have a
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  Speaker 1: word with both of them next week. But Michelle, what
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  Speaker 1: about though, the safety of others on the roads? Because
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  Speaker 1: if you are a very bad driver and then you
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  Speaker 1: are going then you even feel the need to go
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  Speaker 1: on to the black market in order to falsely hand
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  Speaker 1: liability onto somebody else. What does that say about the
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  Speaker 1: person in It?
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  Speaker 2: Does depend on because like even just you know, parking
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  Speaker 2: in a stop zone outside of a of a primary
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  Speaker 2: school for example, which I've done. It was an emergency.
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  Speaker 2: I had to get my son inside and by the
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  Speaker 2: time I got back, I had a parking ticket. You
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  Speaker 2: lose demerits for that. So there are little things where
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  Speaker 2: you just like lose demerits and sometimes they all just
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  Speaker 2: add up and I'm like, well, you know, if I
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  Speaker 2: need to buy some why.
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  Speaker 5: Not well, I think it's that easy. I mean, you
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  Speaker 5: get thirteen demerat points. It's not that I.
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  Speaker 3: Agree with you. Look it is there's way too much
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  Speaker 3: red tape. They're way too quick to take off demerit
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  Speaker 3: points things like parking. I don't think that makes you
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  Speaker 3: a dangerous dride. But what I'm concerned about is the
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  Speaker 3: people who might lose all their points in one go
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  Speaker 3: because they've been speeding it very high.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I need and those people could still have access
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  Speaker 5: to this.
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  Speaker 4: I get them, I get that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's it's a flawed system when it's
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  Speaker 2: never going to happen. It's never going to happen. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going out there buying demerits.
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  Speaker 4: Guys, but we roll back.
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  Speaker 2: They're actually it's all alleged, legend alleged.
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  Speaker 1: But I also worry that they are preying on international
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  Speaker 1: drivers for this, and there are probably a lot of
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  Speaker 1: international drivers who don't understand our road rules that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's a really dangerous gamble. It wouldn't be
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  Speaker 3: so hard to prove that that person was not in
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  Speaker 3: the country when this offense took place, if anyone did
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of digging around. So yeah, it's dangerous
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  Speaker 3: for people who want to engage in this, but I
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  Speaker 3: guess you.
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  Speaker 5: Can get anything in the black market these days. Look,
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  Speaker 5: why not.
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  Speaker 4: It's a gig economy. Is no one's going to give
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  Speaker 4: it to me. I'll take it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about something else, because get up has
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  Speaker 3: found itself in hot water again.
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  Speaker 5: Get Up is, of course, the left wing.
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  Speaker 3: Far left activist outlet who targeted Pauline Hansen at her
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  Speaker 3: National Press Club speech not so long ago, a few
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  Speaker 3: months ago. I think police are still investigating that. I
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  Speaker 3: haven't seen any updates. But now they've received a legal
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  Speaker 3: letter from Cole's the supermarket chain, because for a few
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  Speaker 3: months now they've been engaged in this quite nasty campaign
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  Speaker 3: against Coals, with billboards across the country accusing Coals of
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  Speaker 3: spying on and surveilling its customers because it has an
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  Speaker 3: agreement with a company called Palanter.
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  Speaker 5: Now, this is a US software firm.
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  Speaker 3: They're probably best known for being used by Ice in
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  Speaker 3: the US. But Cole says there's nothing untoward going on here,
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  Speaker 3: that they are simply using it to monitor things like
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  Speaker 3: how much bread that they should be making. Get Up
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  Speaker 3: is alleging that they're spying and monitoring, secretly monitoring customers
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  Speaker 3: and collecting their data and selling this on overseas, and
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  Speaker 3: get Up has put out an update to its members
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  Speaker 3: and said in the space of just a few weeks,
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  Speaker 3: Coles has bullied ad companies into pulling almost seven hundred
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  Speaker 3: Get Up billboards from outside its own stores, its ordered
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  Speaker 3: staff to tear Get Up members stickers off its shelves,
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  Speaker 3: and after refusing for months to engage with our campaign,
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  Speaker 3: Coles has just threatened get Up with aggressive legal action
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  Speaker 3: if we don't pull our campaign and publicly apologize. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I know it's hard to believe, but they are prone
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  Speaker 3: to exaggeration this lot at get up, because what happened,
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  Speaker 3: Cole says is that they simply issued a letter that
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  Speaker 3: one of their staff members had been filmed without their
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  Speaker 3: permission and this was used in get ups marketing and
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  Speaker 3: they wanted that taken down. But I thought these they
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  Speaker 3: were supposed to be targeting One Nation candidates and Conservative candidates,
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  Speaker 3: and now they're going up to supermarkets.
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  Speaker 5: I find this all really bizarre.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I just think this is another desperate attempt by
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  Speaker 1: get Up to get attention as always.
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  Speaker 5: So maybe we're just giving it to that, so maybe
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  Speaker 5: we are.
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  Speaker 1: Just giving it to them. But I just think I
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  Speaker 1: don't quite understand get Up's argument in all of this personally,
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  Speaker 1: because they're worried about surveillance issues. Well, hang on second,
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  Speaker 1: every single time you open your phone, you go on
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  Speaker 1: to social media, you go onto an app, you are
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  Speaker 1: being monitored at all times. They are literally downloading your data.
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  Speaker 1: They are looking at your spending habits, what websites you're
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  Speaker 1: going on, what you click on, what you like, what
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  Speaker 1: your algorithm says, because that's how it feeds you with advertisements.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't quite understand get ups argument in all
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  Speaker 1: of them.
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  Speaker 2: I completely get it because at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: when you are logging onto phones, you are signing up
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  Speaker 2: to that, to that release of data. That is your choice.
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  Speaker 2: But here we don't know what this surveillance is. At
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  Speaker 2: the end of the day, we know will worse. We
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  Speaker 2: know calls are using all kinds of surveillance techniques to
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  Speaker 2: keep an eye on stock levels, to keep an eye
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  Speaker 2: on what people are doing because they don't have cashiers anymore,
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  Speaker 2: So we are being watched at every point. Now, I
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  Speaker 2: have concerns that an overseas data company has has access
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  Speaker 2: to data that pertains to me personally and my shopping
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  Speaker 2: habits like particularly, and I think we should be concerned
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  Speaker 2: about this. I think there is a lot of stuff
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  Speaker 2: that we just let go because we say, oh, it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't matter, we give our data away anyway. But at
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  Speaker 2: what point is too much data being given away about us?
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  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I should say that Cole says
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  Speaker 3: they're not giving the data wait nationally.
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  Speaker 5: But news flash.
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  Speaker 3: If you use a store loyalty card, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: you probably do, you know I've got one for Warlworths
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  Speaker 3: for example, just to give the other big supermarket China
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  Speaker 3: plug as well, because we're very balanced here, and you
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  Speaker 3: use it at the checkout, then they've got all the record.
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  Speaker 3: If you put in an online supermarket order and who
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  Speaker 3: hasn't done that yet, they know who's paying for your
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  Speaker 3: credit card, collects your data and as Danika said, even
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  Speaker 3: your phone, you don't even have to use your phone
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  Speaker 3: even speaking you, my phone collects it.
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  Speaker 2: If they are going up after Get Up, they're going
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  Speaker 2: after their book billboards, are going after the advertising companies
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  Speaker 2: are trying to pull those billboards down. Why are they
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  Speaker 2: going so hard after Get Up? If there is nothing
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  Speaker 2: to go after if they don't have anything to worry.
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  Speaker 3: Use member of their staff without their permission and their marketing.
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  Speaker 4: That's yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I did I think that they're going up after
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  Speaker 2: them for something deeper, and I really have issues about
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  Speaker 2: my dat.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe because what get Up is saying has no factual basis,
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  Speaker 3: and so they don't want something that is completely inaccurate
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  Speaker 3: out there.
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  Speaker 5: That could be a good reason to go after.
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  Speaker 1: The don't think that that get Up are exactly reliable
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  Speaker 1: witnesses all of this. I mean, it was only as
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  Speaker 1: you as you mentioned, it was only a couple of
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  Speaker 1: months ago, that stunt that was pulled at the National
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  Speaker 1: Press Club when Pauline Hansen was giving her address and
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  Speaker 1: that billboard flashed down behind her. I think we might
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  Speaker 1: actually have some vision of that moment here we go.
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  Speaker 1: I opposed a pay rise for workers, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that get Up was banned from the National Press Club completely.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is their modus operandi, isn't it That
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  Speaker 1: they like these big stunts. They like to create chaos
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  Speaker 1: and annoyance, and guess what, it actually backfires because it
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  Speaker 1: annoys people in the process. So then, and this is
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  Speaker 1: why I don't think that you can ever trust organizations
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  Speaker 1: like get Up because they're public nuisance essentially.
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  Speaker 3: It is I mean, it feels very undergraduate that they're
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  Speaker 3: just pulling these stunts to get attention, like you say,
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  Speaker 3: and I just I don't even know if it fits
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  Speaker 3: their core, but they've made it the membership wants to
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  Speaker 3: go after conservative and right wing politics.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that might not.
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  Speaker 4: Agree with that, but that's not that's not what they do.
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  Speaker 4: I think it is what they do, not just that.
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  Speaker 2: Though they were a grassroots movement, they used to hold
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  Speaker 2: people to account, whether they were big corporations, no matter
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  Speaker 2: what they are. Yes, of course they do go after
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  Speaker 2: particularly right wing entities, but that's not the only thing
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  Speaker 2: that they do, and that is where they were born.
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  Speaker 4: So look, I know you guys have a heart on
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  Speaker 4: for them, but like, what do not have?
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you from me.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I've got the stunt that they pulled at
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  Speaker 3: the Press Club was like unanimously of course, unanimously condemned
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  Speaker 3: because you cannot.
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  Speaker 5: What they did was actually really unsafe.
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  Speaker 3: They went into this oppressed that they had two people
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  Speaker 3: going apparently the day before. This is what police are
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  Speaker 3: investigating now. They installed a device they damaged.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, they're not property picking up forget up.
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  Speaker 5: But I do think in this instantly cated it themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, but that we all know David Schraz didn't
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  Speaker 2: do the right thing there.
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  Speaker 4: But what I am saying in this.
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  Speaker 2: Instance, I do believe what they're doing is they're fighting
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  Speaker 2: for something that I think people need to keep.
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  Speaker 4: An eye on.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a rewards card?
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  Speaker 4: No you don't.
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  Speaker 5: No ever online shop will worsle cold any super.
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  Speaker 4: No, No, I'm very cool. I'm very careful about how
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  Speaker 4: I share my data.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, really yeah, well maybe we should.
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  Speaker 3: If you want to keep your data safe, go off
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  Speaker 3: the grid, like Michelle, that's just throw your own.
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  Speaker 4: Food, you know, cawn in my backyard.
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  Speaker 1: Well look, you know what, it's an interesting one. But
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. As for that get up, they
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  Speaker 1: are is absolutely serious. Now look, let's talk about the
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  Speaker 1: ABC and the Gena Ryan Hart saga. So the ABC
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  Speaker 1: has now doubled down on its comments that it made
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  Speaker 1: of Gena Reinhart by likening her in an article to
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  Speaker 1: jabber the Hut, and then a couple of hours later,
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  Speaker 1: of course, offering that full apology which we have seen
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  Speaker 1: tonight on our programming. Now, this article was put up
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  Speaker 1: today a great find. It was an exclusive by News
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  Speaker 1: twenty four. It actually went through and found an online
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  Speaker 1: essay that was posted by left wing r MIT academic J.
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Thompson. Now, this guy is a self professed expert
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  Speaker 1: in digital hostility and online trolling. Now he's written this
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  Speaker 1: article where he found that the Race against the World
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  Speaker 1: segment which we've all seen, promoted misogynistic violence. But he
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  Speaker 1: also debated whether the segment calling for viewers to sodomize
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: miss Rhinhart was actually a reference to her weight. So
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  Speaker 1: this was the original segment.
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  Speaker 6: Have a look, because when the revolution comes, will you
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  Speaker 6: hide under your bed or will you know exactly how
• 15:08
  Speaker 6: to shove a stick right off Geena Reinhart's buttle, stirring
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  Speaker 6: it around, mixing her guts up nice and.
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  Speaker 1: Smooth, No matter how many times you say it, I
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  Speaker 1: just is so violent, it's so disgusting. So then he's
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  Speaker 1: written this article and this is what he said. He said,
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  Speaker 1: surely this is an indirect reference to Ryan Hart once
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  Speaker 1: being overweight. Her corpulence has elsewhere formed the basis of
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: media caricatures, most notably a series of internet memes depicting
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  Speaker 1: the businesswoman as Jabba the Hut from the Star Wars franchise.
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  Speaker 1: And in case you don't know who Jabba the Hut is,
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  Speaker 1: this is the photo here. This is just despicable. This
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  Speaker 1: is a bear in mind that this has been posted
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  Speaker 1: on the ABC online as part of an essay. Now
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  Speaker 1: News twenty four has indeed asked Humor for a comment
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  Speaker 1: about this, yet to hear any response, though. They went
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  Speaker 1: to mister Thompson and he's defended the article, saying that
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  Speaker 1: he was just highlighting the comparison of Gina Reinhart to
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  Speaker 1: Jabber the Heart rather than.
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  Speaker 5: Trying to make it.
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  Speaker 1: I make it out to be I kind of read
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  Speaker 1: my writing. Sorry about that now, look. And then of
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  Speaker 1: course we heard this afternoon that apology that was given
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  Speaker 1: by Hugh Marx.
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  Speaker 7: Everybody is entitled to the same treatment by the ABC,
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  Speaker 7: and ultimately we felt the treatment of miss Ryan Hart
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  Speaker 7: was not fair and so we apologized and we've edited
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  Speaker 7: and changed the program.
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  Speaker 1: So let me get this straight. It's taken more than
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  Speaker 1: three weeks for an apology. It's taken the threat of
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  Speaker 1: legal action the ABC that had to consult with its
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: own Onwoodsman for permission to make set apology, and that
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: was the best that they could come up with. Three
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: and a half weeks later, now it's onboodsmen found that
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: there were no editorial guidelines that were breached in this. Well,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: if that is the case, then we've got a really
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: big problem with the ABC's editorial guidelines because to put
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: something to air like that that sodomizes a woman, and
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: for the ABC to not, in the first instance one
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: put it to air in the first place, or two
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: not issue an immediate apology, that is a very very
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: big problem by the national broadcaster. And we are paying
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: one point two billion dollars per year to fund this organization.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: And secondly, the point that this essay was also put
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: up Caroline comparing her to jab at the heart, Gina
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Reinhardt is one of the most prominent business women in
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: this country. It doesn't matter, It wouldn't even matter if
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: she wasn't a promising, prominent business woman or not. No
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: woman deserves a lack of respect like this, let alone
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: from the public.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Man deserves it either. No person deserves to be treated
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: like this. I don't care if you disagree with their
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: politics or their views about anything that the fact remains
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: the ABC air this obscene rape and death fantasy about
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Gina ryan Hart, and it took them more than three
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: weeks to apologize. And why did they have to wait
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: for an Ombardsman investigation, which was a farce in the
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: first place, someone marking their own homework essentially if it
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: didn't even matter what the Ombardsman said that the Ombardsman
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: laughably said there'd be no breach of policies, and the
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: ABC still apologized.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: Why couldn't the apology come earlier?
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: It doesn't ring true when they publish pieces like this
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: that make further obscene comparisons to Jab of the Hut.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: And it doesn't ring true when it.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Took legal threats from Gina ryan Hart towards the ABC
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: in order for them to finally act weeks later. The
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: whole country could see. And I think it's to the
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Communications Minister Anaka Wells shame that she refused to say
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: that they should apologize.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: She was also waiting.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, even some of her labor colleagues like Peter
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Khalil could admit that you can never ever talk about
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: someone in this way, and least of all on.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: The taxpayer funded broadcast.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: It gets more than a billion dollars of our money
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: every year to put out bile rubbish like this.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: It's unacceptable.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, look and at the end of the day,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: look at the labor outrage when with like the ditch,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: the witch exactly all of that stuff. They were completely outraged,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: like how dare you say that about another woman? But
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: here we go with the ABC putting something up which
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: is incredibly violent. And also at the end of the day,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: it wasn't even funny, like I didn't even understand the
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: point of it. And you've got multiple labor MPs, federal
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: labor MPs who said, oh no, we never saw it,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: We never saw it. Time and time again they said,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: we haven't seen it. Well, how about you go and
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: look at it. Because everyone's outraged.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Why don't you check out why they're outraged.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: The fact that you stand there and you go, we
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: haven't taken the time to see it, isn't ABC News
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: twenty four like in Parliament. Don't you have an opportunity
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: to watch it at some point? Don't you get to
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: hear about it? It really really burned me up. No
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: matter what you think about Gina ri Hart, this is
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: not about her personally, it's about a woman, a businesswoman
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: and being treated with respect. And also by a public broadcaster,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: what are they doing?
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: And Tony Abbott had to only stand near a sign
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: There was a sign in the background of.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Him saying ditch the witch about Julia Gillard and he
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: was absolutely torn to shreds about that. And Alan Jones
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: another man who's been in the news for different reasons
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: this week. Remember he said Julia Gillard's father had died
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: of shame and he was absolutely just casticated from every
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: corner for saying that. And yet this can happen and
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: people go, hmm, but the context, But it's satire and
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: it's just fact. They just find a way to justify
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: anything when it's a person that they disagree with.
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: The wrong type of woman, that the wrong type of woman,
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: the wrong We hear that all the time, exactly, and
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: all the time it's women of the right women conservative women,
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: not all women, of course, but the left will always
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: preach the tolerance and the love for everybody, but not
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: the wrong kind of woman. And the other thing that
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: really bothers me about the statement that was put out
• 21:17
  Speaker 8: today by Hu Marks about that, you know, it didn't
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: breach our editorial guidelines.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Now, the three of us work in media. We understand
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: what happens behind the scenes before something goes to air,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: and just for our viewers, when that Race against the
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: World segment, it absolutely it was a pre recorded segment.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: It would have bypassed many channels before air and there
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: would have been managerial oversight and possibly legal oversight. And
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: the fact that not one smart brain at the ABC went,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: you know what, this is a big problem. This is
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: highly problematic. We've got to pull that particular segment from
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the show, not one of them, and then to come
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: out today and said, well, no, this didn't breach editorial guidelines,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: or gee, there's a real problem with the chain of
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: command at the ABC. If nobody picked up.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: And media one oh one, if in doubt you leave
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: it out exactly like that is just media one oh one.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: How could they not think that she might slightly be
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: offended by this?
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I agree, but I don't get even to post
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: this essay now about Jabba the Hut. And you know
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the guy that's written it, he was just saying, oh,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: you know, highlighting memes that compare her to Jabba the Hut,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: it's not good enough to post it in the first place,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: especially a time when you were under so much scrutiny
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: to your original.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Court to suggest that the joke was to do with
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: her weight. I mean, it's to me, it's like someone saying, oh, well,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: I'm just pointing out the what's wrong with these memes
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: as a way of just kind of further slandering someone.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was an incredibly poor taste, but.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: The fact that it took them three weeks to say
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: anything publicly to apologize for that. I don't have a
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: problem with people being offended. When you said, Michelle, you know,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: or you said you know, how could they not see
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: that Gina might be offended by that. I don't have
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: a problem if someone's offended by something. People say things
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: that offend me all the time, But you don't air
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: rape and death fantasies about people that goes beyond offensive.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: That is just Yep, there was so much there was
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: signing much, so much wrong with this. Look moving on,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: because I'm sure we're going to hear much more about this,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: but my favorite subject sports ball. We're talking about AFL.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: To be honest, so Geelong, this story kind of was
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: airing yesterday as well. But Geelong has actually come out
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: as the AFL club that has struck the secret deal
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: to make a player liable for future brain injuries. Now,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: this one's are really really interesting. I'm sure we'll get
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: into the weeds on it soon. But the contract that
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: this person had signed explicitly acknowledged that the player.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Was at higher risk.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: So CEO Steve Hacking from the Cats said, Geelong Football
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Club acknowledges that the letters signed with one of the
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: players went further than was intended and recognizes that the
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: absence of the AFLPA in the process. Now the club
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: removes the waiver outlined in the letter, noting that the
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: player continues to acknowledge potential risks.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: I have lots of issues with this.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: But the statement from the AFL, because the AFL what
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: we have heard was not really across this whole thing.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: So this player has signed this letter two years a
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: separate contract with Geelong Football Club and now the AFL.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Like all contact sports, football carries a risk of injury,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: including concussion. Players are educated on head trauma, including its risks.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: The AFL and AFL PA are aware of a complex
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: and unique case in which a Geelong player was cleared
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: as fit to play following an assessment by an AFL
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: concussion panel.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Geelong has advised.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: The AFL today that the waiver in the letter will
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: be removed, noting that the player continues to acknowledge potential risks.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: The AFL and AFLPA are aligned that no arrangements will
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: be approved that seek to solely place the risk on players.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: It is mind boggling to me that a workplace would
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: expect their workout to take all responsibility. We know that
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: these AFL players put themselves at risk. The concussion statistics
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: are quite high. They've got high instances of self harm
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: due to the instances of concussion. So these players sometimes
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: are just making decisions based off how much money they're
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: getting paid. They've got a fear of longevity in the
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: field that they've chosen, and I think it's incredibly unfair
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: for a workplace to require their player to make this
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: decision and exonerate themselves from all responsibility.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, it's just not good enough.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: If this was any other workplace, you would be required
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: to have a little bit of ownership of the treatment
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: of your staff member.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: But what if in this sens because this particular player
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: had already suffered a number of concussions, a number of
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: knocks to the head. What if the advice to him was, look,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: it's probably too risky for you to continue, and he
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: wants to. So it's giving him an option to continue.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: And what it will be a high risk position for
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: the club is there shouldn't be a level of personal responsibility.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: This person did sign the contract knowing that what he
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: was getting into. He was advised by the club reportedly
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: that this is dangerous to continue. Are at risk of
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: serious problems, a potential long term neurological problems if you
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: continue and you get more head knocks. And he said, look,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: if only went look, I'm well paid, I want to
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: continue playing at an elite level.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: I am willing to take that risk.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: I mean you have to sign waivers when you go skydiving,
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: for instance.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: Is it that much different when we.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Now know how well documented the risk of head injuries
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: in high contact level sport is.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: But Denika, you you would probably I don't know what
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: side you sit on here, But at the end of
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: the day, this person clearly has signed that.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: But you know what sports stars are like.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: They love their game so much that sometimes they can't
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: even see straight. Sometimes they just want to play, They
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: just want to put it all on the line.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: It takes out.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: What I couldn't make up his own.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I agree, No, I agree in that sense that I
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: do think there would be a lot of players like no, no, no,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I'm absolutely fine. But I think we have to also
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: be aware that the AFL has strict protocols in place,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: as it is for when it comes to concussion and
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: brain injury. And I'm I actually do think there needs
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: to be an element of personal responsibility in this now.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I do think that the AFL have been very lax
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: in previous years about their brain trauma, their head trauma protocol.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: And this story is shocky. I think it is. It's
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: very back door wise. I think it's I think it's
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: very bad because the AFL.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: It's not they did it behind they did, but they
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: did it behind AFL's back.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: They did it behind the codes back.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I mean a lot of the other codes didn't even
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: know about it. A lot of the other players and
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: the other clubs didn't even know about So Kilda was
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: asked about it, they said, we don't even know anything
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: We've never heard about.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: It, so perhaps they even came at the insistence if
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: they're it, you shouldn't be hoped. But contracts tend to
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: be confidential anyway. What I'm saying is, and we know
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: that this is happening in rugby league now, and even
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: some former rugby league players like James Graham who used
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: to play with Bulldogs, he has come out saying well, look,
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: if you want a sport that is not high risk,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: go and play oz tag because you know the risks
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: when you're going to play. And he suggested that this
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: sort of thing could be become standard practice one day
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: for clubs. They're going to have to cover themselves because
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: if we know what the dangers of this sport are now,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: how are these clubs going to survive financially if every
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: second player who suffers I agree, a long term effects
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: from playing the sport ends up suing one day because
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: it may or may not have been linked to that.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I don't agree with that point. How would I agree
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: with that point? And the problem that yeah, I do
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: agree with that point. The thing is is that when
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: you do sign up to play AFEL, you surely know
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the risks that are in our eye contact sport and
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: that there are risks involved. So I do agree from
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: that perspective as long as the club is following its
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: own concussion protocol that I don't personally have an issue
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: with this. And as I was going to say, the
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: AFL has tightened its protocols. It's got a mandatory twelve
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: day recovery rule, strict medical clearances and that's only just
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: coming to inter force in recent years. But you are
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: an athlete. I think in any sport you are going
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: to play. Unless you are going to play I was tag,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: you are going to be at a level of risk
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: in your chosen profession. It's a very expensive industry it is.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: But I do say one very well one last point
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: on this. I do think someone needs to be the
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: adult in the room and maybe maybe just MA it
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: needs to be Geelong.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: They need to be the adult in the room. Anyway,
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: let's move to the Victoria Barracks.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: So there's been a lot of conversation about the sale
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: of military sites, particularly the Commonwealth government has really flagged.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: There's some decommissioned sites, but Victoria Barracks in Sydney has
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: been quite a controversial one because there's a lot of
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: people who.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Don't want it to go.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: It has a lot of historical value. It's right in
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: the CBD. People think it's really close. It's really good
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: in case there if we do come under a moment
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: of stress, it's a good base for people to kind
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: of work from. Now, developers eyeing off Victoria Barrett Barracks
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: are now facing a political trip wire in one MP's
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: plan to save the iconic base. Now Father of the
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: House Anthony Roberts said it will make these sites profoundly
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: unattractive to any purchaser whose business model depends upon acquiring
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: defense land at one value and obtaining a major planning
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: uplift After settlement, the buy will know that any material
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: planning change must be defended publicly before both houses of Parliament. Now,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: why this has come about, We've got a real disconnect
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: between federal labor and state labor. We know New South
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Wales labor are pushing for some planning reforms. They are
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: really working hard for uplift and they're trying to do
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: it in places that already have access to buses and
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: hospitals and infrastructure.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: So that makes sense.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: And we saw the Productivity Commission they released a report
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: on this and said it makes sense. It needs to
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: be in Sydney's East, it needs to be in the city.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: But where the issue is is what value should historical
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: sites hold and should we be putting uplift in them.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: I don't think we should.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: I mean we've even seen in this instance State labor
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: MPs are saying to their federal counterparts, this is not on.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: We do not want the seal of this. I know
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Madria O'Neil is one of them, member for Kuji.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: So what do you guys think when it comes to something.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Look, see, I'm all for development, I'm all for building apartments,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: but definitely not at the expense of military basis. Right now,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I think in Australia we are at a crossroads. We
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: are very open to at tax. There is actually a
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: parliamentary inquiry going on right now discussing whether or not
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Australia is prepared for the event of war. And I
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: think it would be absolutely disastrous if there was any
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: level of planning on our military barracks, because what sort
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: of a message does that send to our enemies that
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: we don't care about our military history, were happy to
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: sell this off in pursuit of development. So I actually
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: think this is a disastrous idea. And the other issue, Caroline,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: in my view is as well, we've got our enemies
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: watching us. China's watching us. I mean they were so
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: they set off flares off the coast of Australia and
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: it took a Virgin Australia pilot to alert us to it.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: So already, you know you've got international enemies going. Are
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: they prepared for the event of war? And now we're
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: squabbling over Victoria's.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Going to be honest, A look, I don't think the
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: barracks would save us.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I think China selling the barracks are like, we're on here.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: I think we're already in the stink in that, and
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: we're not spending enough money on defense. We don't have
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: the money in many respects in the first place. But certainly,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: as the US has been warning us, you know, the
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: percentage of GDP that we've put in defense is way
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: too low as it is, so this will not, I think,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: make that much difference. But you're right in terms of
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: the message, And what I'm worried about is the message
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: it sends to veterans, the message that it sends to
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: serving personnel who.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: Already at such a low Morale.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, not only because of how we treat how
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: little value we seem to put in defense, but how
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: we treat people in defense. Just look at the case
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: of Robert Smith. I mean that has been a huge
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: dent and Morale. I think the idea that military heritage
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: sites would be up for sale because the governments have,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: you know, consecutively screwed up housing so badly that they're
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: this desperate.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: I do I did a bad message to say.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: But I do also think, you know, there's a real
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: disconnect in what this is doing. I mean, the federal
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: government is doing it. They're selling off the assets because
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: they're trying to make some money here. And then you've
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: got the state governments who were trying to build and
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: create uplift in places that already had the infrastructure built
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: because they don't want to build the infrastructure in places
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: where we have property and arable land. They're not bothering
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: to actually put the sewerage in and put the other
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: stuff in where we could build lots of houses out there,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: but instead, let's just take something that is already there,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: already in the city, has buses, has train lines, and
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: I think it's a real shame we need some forward planning,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I know, shock horror, wow award planning where we just
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: build some infrastructure out in out west, down south, up north,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: or maybe even a fast train line so people can
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: get to new Well exactly.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: They don't want to live so far out first places,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: no infrastructure.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: No, I don't blame anybody Loo. Look, let's move on.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: We've got to talk about the Cambridge star. You would
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: have heard of him by now, Jason R. Day, who
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: has been accused of plagiarism. He has now quit. Well
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: finally it's just taken a huge investigation. Now in case
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: you didn't know about this chap, I think we've got
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: a photo of him. This is Jason R.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: Day.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you a bit of his history. So
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: he is the youngest black man to hold a professorship
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: at the University of Cambridge Deipick. Of course, he is
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: accused of lifting one hundred passengers in passages from his
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: In his PhD, he apparently fudged his regime by claiming
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: he held positions at three other universities. He once told
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: a university audience that he appeared at a television show
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: called seven Up Flight Ish you with that the show
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: premiere in nineteen sixty four. Jason Arday was born in
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five. The maths is not quite math there.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: He claimed to have run six hundred miles and six days,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: to have been a pro soccer player, and to have
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: learned to read and write at eighteen. He also allegedly
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: falsely to have written a book. This man has got
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: a resume longer than Zora and married. It's absolutely quite impressive.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: But this is who Cambridge University hired.
• 36:31
  Speaker 9: I would take a thread and a needle and I'd
• 36:35
  Speaker 9: interweave love into our society. That's what I would do.
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: I think the absence of love in our society is
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: absolutely palpable. And so for me, the thing that I
• 36:46
  Speaker 9: would do if I could change the world, I would
• 36:50
  Speaker 9: have the world and I'd have it spinning on this
• 36:52
  Speaker 9: axis of love. That's what I'd have. Because we've lost
• 36:56
  Speaker 9: as a society. In my humble opinion, I think we've
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: lost our way.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I don't know what he's talking about.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: Kamala Harris, Yeah, already looks.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Like Milli Vanilli. We went.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: Also, he also made up a few things in their
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: time exactly Now, this is what Ada said.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I'll just read this out. It is with profound sadness
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: that I write to resign with immediate effect from my
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: position at the University of Cambridge and Jesus College. Sadly,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: the years since my appointment have also been marked by
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: an unrelenting level of public scrutiny and personal attack. While
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: criticism is an inevitable part of academic life, what I
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: have experienced has gone far beyond scholarly disagreement. The relentless accusations,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: speculation and public commentary have taken a profound toll on
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: me and on those I love. Listen, Jason, mate, I
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: don't know how you got a job there, and what
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: does it say about Cambridge? Well, DEI, he was the
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: DEI pick. They never went for the best candidate in
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: that position. They chose him because he was the first black,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: youngest person to get that role.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Look, do we know that that's the fact?
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Or was he very catch me if he can and
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: just incredibly good at life?
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Well is incredible, So it doesn't sound like it was
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: so hard to fact check things. If he's citing television
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: shows that were on before I know, But why, I mean,
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: we know for a fact that universities have been completely
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: swept up in this DEI craze, and he has been
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: himself called a diversity poster boy.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: Like he was.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: He was celebrated because because of his racial identity, and
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: I think that's a mistake for anyone. I think that
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: that is it is patronizing for black people and any
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: one of ethnic minorities to be celebrated for something that
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: is immutable they have no control over.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, clearly they didn't.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Look too deep into his history and what he was
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: claiming on his resume, since it all sounds quite easy
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: to disprove.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think this is a DEI issue. I
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: think this is an academia issue. I mean, for so
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: long now we are facing real problems, particularly with our
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: children going to universities, and they're being taught all kinds
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: of nonsense. They're not being taught the things that they
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: should be taught. So I think this is an academic
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: issue and not really.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: I don't know. It reminds me recently that was not
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: that long ago.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: The first black woman to become the president of Harvard, Claudingey,
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: famously told the Congress and the US that, you know,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: it depends on context whether you should call for the
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: genocide of Jews and intervit against Jews on campus. And
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: it turns out she also had plagiarism allegations against her
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: Now, I'm not saying that anyone of an ethnice.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Some people are going to say saying what I'm saying.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: I'm saying she was absolutely not. I'm saying you, really,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: when you start to celebrate people and perhaps promote them
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: beyond what they are actually deserving of on the basis
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: of celebrating them from being the first black president, celebrate
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: them for the being the youngest black professor at Cambridge,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: that is where you run into problem.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: But it is about firing another generation anyway.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: Well, they've done exactly well.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, what does it say about the entry requirements
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: at Cambridge University. I mean, anyone can get it. It's
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: like legally blonde going to Harvard. I don't like it's
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: hard if she was very smart. All right, we're going
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: to take a quick break coming up after the break
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: alber Easy. Government ministers have been openly laughing and joking
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: that their property changes, the taxes are tanking the market.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: The economy is just a big joke to labor, isn't
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: it that's next. Welcome back. Let's take a look at
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: tomorrow's front pages. Caroline, You've got the Daily Telegraph.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: As the Daily telegraphers you teased before the break, Damika
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Labor is now laughing about the housing slump that they created.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: The headline jokes on you, It begins. Albanizi government mpisas
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: celebrating and joking about how they shock property tax changes,
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: tanking the housing market, just as economists are warning a
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: real estate crash will savage the economy and drive up employment.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Labor and Peace have been caught making claims so over
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: the top they would cause even a real estate agent
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: to blush. And there's one example here of a benelong
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: m P, Jerome Laxel, posting a news report on social
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: media quoting an auctioneers saying conditions were the worst he'd
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: ever seen, but he crossed out worst and replaced it
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: with best.
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: Ahha, so good. This is where your taxpayers are going.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Some staffer in charge of his social media report clearly
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: thinks that's hilarious.
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's not a joke.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: What is a joke is how bad this government is
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: and the conditions that they've created. I mean, house values
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: dropped off a cliff.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: And look what's happened to auction clearance rates as well.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: The reality is that they're not taking this seriously. They
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: think it's one big joke, but it's actually everyday ordinary
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Australians at a stuff free because we can't get ossies
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: into homes as it is. You know that their whole
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: stick was, oh, we're going to get young people to buy,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: we're going to get first home buyers. And now you've
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: got people who took up the five percent over leverage
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: and exactly, and now they're in negative equity. They've actually
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: lost money from it. And Labor's out there with its memes.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: It's jokes and it's caricatures. Thinking is that it's just
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: so funny.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: It's like labor just decided to like move a few
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: levers and go what does this button do? Oh wait,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: what does this button do? And just see if something
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: works and something sticks.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know. How about we just build homes.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Here's the thought, let's just build homes instead of just
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: playing with people's equity, in people's livelihood and people's investment properties.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah wild, maybe migration too sa too smarte liberal guys exactly.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe you should just maybe bring down immigration a
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: little bit. That might help as well, even have a
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: speech about immigration.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Are you with us in tone?
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: We don't know where Tony, where he's gone missing.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: We know he's got Look, I've got a good one
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: from the Canberra Times.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: I love this story.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: I know you highlighted it last night and I loved
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: it so much I had to do a follow up
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: texting Times partner denies sex worker claim. So Opposition leader
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Mark Partner in Canberra has admitted sending a text message
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: from Act Budget Estimates saying f my job is boring,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: but denied it was to a sex worker. Asked repeatedly
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: yesterday whether a complaint to the Speaker of the Legislative
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Assembly alleging the ACT Liberals leader had messaged a sex
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: worker was true, mister Parton said only the complaint had
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: been dismissed. We are talking about an anonymous complaint which
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: is not being investigated.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: So he hasn't really said who he's sending the messages to.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: But I don't care. I don't care.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: He's sending a messages to maybe just focus on your job.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: And you know what, in a time when people are
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: really struggling to get jobs, to earn money.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: To really build their net worth.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: We've got someone who's in a really good position financially
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: and he is just sitting there, going my job's so boring.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Oh, poor you, poor you.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Other people are going out and working really, really hard
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: and really strugging.
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: Some people have five jobs.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: I have five jobs.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: Some people have a lot.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Of jobs because they're trying to make ends meet. But
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: your job is so boring. I'm so sorry, it's so boring.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: I care less about that.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: And the fact that he's getting paid, you know, the
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: tax payer money to have this job, to be looking
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: at budget estimates and trying to work out how best
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: to spend hard money, and that's too boring for him.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: I don't care, like you if he's sending the message
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: to a sex worker or to a an economist, like.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Your hard earned pay attention, Yeah, your heart earned dollars
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: at work. Ladies and gentlemen. Let's take a look at
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: the advertiser state of rage. Have a look at these
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: foot these images on the front page. They're shocking exclusive.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: A man was captured on horrifying CCTV abusing a bus
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: driver before launching at the cowering worker and landing blow
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: after blow, leaving him bloodied and with a broken jaw.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: The likes of Jake Dylan Laura's cowardly attack is all
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: too common. There were four hundred and four assaults on
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: public transport last year. Assaults on nurses, doctors and paramedics
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: are also surging. Yet shocking pictures there.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Hamim, what can you say about this? It's all
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: for and that no one should be subjected to that
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: kind of violence, least of all a bus driver who's
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: just trying to get people from A to B.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do think that Adelaide has gone through
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: a spate of these instances where they've really felt people
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: have really felt under attack, particularly in the city center.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: So look, this is shocking stuff and the advertiser has
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: got a good good yarn here.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: Let's go to the Mercury.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Now, bracing for bird flu Tasmanian authorities are stepping up
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: aerial surveys of the states ruling coastlines as experts worn
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: that H five bird flu's arrival could be just one
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: week away. Comes as mainland authorities brace for more mass
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: casualty events. I mean, we know that bird flu is
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: in every state and territory now, except well the Northern Terrority.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, in the Northern Territory yet WA is really working
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: hard to protect They're putting a lot of protections in
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: place to make sure it doesn't get into their system.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: South Australia is where we're really seeing it come into
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: its own.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: Victoria as well.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Victoria had they lost a magpie and some other birds.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: The real issue here is if it gets into penguin
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: colonies or sea lion colonies, but also our poultry. Luckily
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: that has not happened yet, but we have been putting
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: steps in place. The Austrian government's been working really hard
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: to put steps in place to make sure that doesn't happen.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's certainly a worry and I'm sure authorities are
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: monitoring it very closely. Let's take a quick break. Coming
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: up after the break, do not do a zoom call
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: from the toilet, especially if you're a high profile New
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Zealand MP.
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: That's next.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Welcome back down here is not here is how you
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: don't do a police chase. It's time for.
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: Start of the day.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is from m Cuninara. Over in Western Australia.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: There are a few youths doing a couple of laps
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: oo they're being chased by police at the same time,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: around three in what could possibly be the world's slowest
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: police chase. This went on for about an hour and
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: a half actually, and then it ended up being two
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: thirteen year old and a twelve year old boy being charged.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: But there I go, went over for an hour and
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: a half. We around the chase.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: Why their work? But I have so many questions.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: There are so many cops and they never stop them
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: at any point, and also why do they have their
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: hazards on? And also why do they keep going around trees?
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: So many questions.
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: Why didn't they go reverse the other way?
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: I know, substract, like I think he can get where
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: this is going.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Maybe they just couldn't reach the pedal for something I
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, my favorite one for today.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: I mean you can't.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: I am a commercial radio guest, so I do have
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: to bring this up. So Timberland grunting alongside his track
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: that he did with Nelly for Tato. So this has
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: been going and making the rounds on all of the
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: social media at the moment. He did a live performances
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: is Timberland and you can see that he's grunting to
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: the Nelly Fotato song, but nearly Fotata is not even there.
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: It's just a back that is the best.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: That is how I act when I've got him on
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: as well. I'm just in the background going yeah.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: All right, it's a grunt. Well, he don't get his money,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: didn't He's going to get his Money's worse, he had
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: to get his royalties for the night with his gruntings.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't really seeing that live.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: You know, to be honest, I'd be for that.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: To enjoy it.
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: You know, we've all seen a few shockers on zoom calls,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: especially in the last few years. There's been some great ones.
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: That have gone viral. But surely, surely this New Zealand and.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: P should have maybe had a quick check of her
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: background before doing a meeting with her colleagues.
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: Take a look, Yeah, you might.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Want to move your camera white whereas you can see
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: your washing.
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: Oh okay, this is interesting.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: But anyway, please please can you see me? Yes to kim,
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: Oh that's great. Okay, you can see my washing. You
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: can see me.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: It's no problem.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: So, even after she was warned that they could see
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: her washing, which did include underwear hanging on the line.
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: She's still proceeding.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: She did not care amateur.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: There was no shame in her game, and that is
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: Pete Keeweed.
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: By the way, I have so many questions why she's
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: from her bark.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I agree, Caroline Michelle has been a pleasure. Thank you
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: for your company. The Rita Panahe Show is next. Good Night,