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Ken Kober - Are homicides REALLY down in Cincinnati ? · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: 631-55-KRC-D Talk Station. It is a happy Friday because we
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  Speaker 1: get the benefit of FOP President Ken Cobber, head of
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  Speaker 1: the union for the Cincinnati Police Department, and to gauge
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  Speaker 1: his reaction on Interim Police Chief Henney's announcement yesterday going
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  Speaker 1: over the weekly strategic and tactical analytic review for solutions.
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  Speaker 1: That's a thing. And letting everybody know that homicides are
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  Speaker 1: down in downtown Cincinnati 25%. Welcome back, Ken Cobber. It's
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  Speaker 1: always a pleasure having you on the 55-KRC Morning Show.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Brian. Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me just address a question raised or a
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  Speaker 1: comment raised by one of my listener friends earlier in
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  Speaker 1: this morning. Bobby said, well, maybe the homicides are down
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  Speaker 1: to some degree because, well, modern medicine is so successful
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  Speaker 1: at keeping people alive. Are shootings of people, bullets actually
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  Speaker 1: hitting people down, Ken Cobra, if you know?
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  Speaker 2: I don't believe they're down. And this is the interesting part,
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  Speaker 2: and to their point, without University of Cincinnati's hospital, our
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  Speaker 2: homicide rate would be through the roof because they do
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  Speaker 2: absolutely fantastic work.
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  Speaker 1: So he's on to something.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, there's no doubt that that plays
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  Speaker 2: a role in this. Thankfully, yeah, homicides are down 25%.
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  Speaker 2: That means people, I guess, are just maybe not quite
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  Speaker 2: as good of a shot as they normally are.
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  Speaker 1: Well- There's that.
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  Speaker 2: It is something to be thankful for, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: know that it's something necessarily to take a victory lap
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  Speaker 2: for either.
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  Speaker 1: Well, 39 homicides is 39 too many. We can all agree.
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  Speaker 1: But it was 52 last year. And I guess the
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  Speaker 1: calendar year is not over. Perhaps they'll make up for
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  Speaker 1: the lower figure now between now and the end of
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  Speaker 1: the calendar year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, hopefully, hopefully we stay on
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  Speaker 2: this trajectory. But the reality is you still have people
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  Speaker 2: that are out shooting each other, that are out robbing
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  Speaker 2: each other. And unfortunately, the ultimate way to be able
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  Speaker 2: to quell some of this is going to be when
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  Speaker 2: these people are held accountable. And until that actually happens,
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  Speaker 2: we're still going to deal with the fluctuation of, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we're down 25% this year, we might be up 25%
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  Speaker 2: next year.
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  Speaker 1: Very well could. And of course, accountability starts in the
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  Speaker 1: prosecutor's office, but more fundamentally in the judicial branch. We
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  Speaker 1: have here in Hamilton County a bunch of woke judges
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  Speaker 1: who don't believe in being tough on crime. And of course,
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  Speaker 1: the biggest problem, I suppose, is the juvenile court where
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  Speaker 1: we don't hold young people accountable. They're left free to
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  Speaker 1: go off and do it again, which is the slap
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  Speaker 1: on the wrist kind of concept because, boy, we can't
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  Speaker 1: give a young person a record or anything. But That's
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  Speaker 1: where it all starts, and that problem will continue into adulthood.
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  Speaker 1: Is that your perception of how things go awry here
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  Speaker 1: in the city there, Ken Kober?
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  Speaker 2: Well, absolutely. When you're told, hey, it's okay, you stole something,
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  Speaker 2: it'll be fine. Here's a book report or here's a
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  Speaker 2: library card, and then they progress to something else. The
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  Speaker 2: next time they're assaulting somebody, before you know it, they
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  Speaker 2: stole a gun or And, you know, it just progresses
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  Speaker 2: until we see what we have right now, which is
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  Speaker 2: a 16-year-old that just murdered a 14-year-old.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we're going to bring Ken Cooper back and talk
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  Speaker 1: about Adam Henney's pointing to the walking directed patrols as
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  Speaker 1: having an impact on the homicide rate going down. The patrols,
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  Speaker 1: walking patrols are up, which suggests to me, we'll get
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  Speaker 1: Ken's thoughts on this, that, huh, more police equals lower crime.
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  Speaker 1: That's a concept that's come on the morning show before.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see if Ken believes that as well. Maybe the
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  Speaker 1: whole idea of getting KRC, the talk station. It is
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  Speaker 1: six 39 and 55 care CD talk station. God bless
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  Speaker 1: the Cincinnati police department work. They do to try to
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  Speaker 1: keep the city safe. And in spite of these struggles
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  Speaker 1: and challenges, the administration brings to the Cincinnati police department.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, we're going to be talking about some of
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  Speaker 1: the shenanigans with citizen watchdog, Todd Zinser in the next hour,
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  Speaker 1: he'll be in studio for the full hour. In the meantime,
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  Speaker 1: FOP president Ken covers on the phone, talking about the
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  Speaker 1: crime statistics downtown. Uh, of course, interim police chief Henny yesterday, um,
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  Speaker 1: acknowledging and pointing out that we are dealing with fewer
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  Speaker 1: homicides this year in the city, 39 versus 52 at
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  Speaker 1: this point last year. Still time in the year, but
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  Speaker 1: what about other types of crimes, and what about the
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  Speaker 1: walking directed patrols? Now, if there was a line you
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  Speaker 1: could draw, Ken Kober, to the changes in policing that
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  Speaker 1: might have happened over the last calendar, to the point
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  Speaker 1: where we are in this calendar year, that would have
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  Speaker 1: resulted in a reduction in homicides. Are these walking patrols
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  Speaker 1: in your perception, can Cobra actually benefiting? Are they doing good?
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  Speaker 1: And can a line maybe be traced with the lower
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  Speaker 1: homicide rate to the changes in policing downtown?
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, they're extremely helpful. It just proves
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  Speaker 2: that when you have more of a uniform presence, that
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  Speaker 2: crime is going to go down. I know this is
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  Speaker 2: a novel idea. It's been proved positive what Interim Chief
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  Speaker 2: Henney has done as well with downtown. The amount of people,
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  Speaker 2: officers that are on bikes, that are on foot, that
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  Speaker 2: are flooding the downtown areas, making it safer. I just
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  Speaker 2: had lunch with a business person downtown just two days ago,
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  Speaker 2: and they talked about how much of a difference that
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  Speaker 2: has made. I feel so much safer down here now
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  Speaker 2: when there's more of a police presence.
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  Speaker 1: Ken, that flies in the face of the narrative that
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  Speaker 1: we've been told constantly since, oh, sometime around 2020, that
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  Speaker 1: the presence of police brings fear into the hearts and
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  Speaker 1: minds of certain residents of the city. Are you getting
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  Speaker 1: a sense of that? Are the residents of the neighborhoods
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  Speaker 1: where you have increased walking patrols, are they coming to
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  Speaker 1: you and complaining that your presence there is troubling to
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  Speaker 1: them psychologically, Ken?
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  Speaker 2: Not once. In fact, it's the opposite. I mean, all
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  Speaker 2: of these people are thankful that the police in their neighborhood,
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  Speaker 2: they're thankful that their neighborhoods. You know, what I worry
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  Speaker 2: about is, to your point, is, you know, the next
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  Speaker 2: time that we have some kind of critical incident, it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be like, wow, this police are just over
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  Speaker 2: policing everybody. And it's just nonsense. But that's unfortunately what
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  Speaker 2: we have to deal with, because the anti-police type people
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  Speaker 2: are not going to be happy regardless of what the
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  Speaker 2: police are doing.
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  Speaker 1: So you're referring to perhaps an officer-involved shooting involving any officer,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps shooting a black person. I'm going to just put
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  Speaker 1: it on the floor here. We're talking about the George
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  Speaker 1: Floyd-type situations where some officer harms a person of color
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  Speaker 1: and it immediately is demonstrative or representative of the bigger problem,
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  Speaker 1: which is racist police departments. So you're just waiting for
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  Speaker 1: that to happen? Is that the scenario you're talking about,
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  Speaker 1: or is it going to be any officer-involved shooting?
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  Speaker 2: I think it could be– at this point, it could
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  Speaker 2: be any officer-involved shooting because you have– like I said,
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  Speaker 2: you have certain people in this city that just hate
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  Speaker 2: the police regardless of what they do. They'll see a
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  Speaker 2: policeman sitting somewhere doing a report. It's, oh, the police
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  Speaker 2: are just lazy. They don't do anything. And then you
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  Speaker 2: have the police going out doing their job arresting people,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, they're just stopping them for this
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  Speaker 2: reason or that reason. The police need to just go away.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, well, which one is it? Because what the
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  Speaker 2: community is telling us, and this is why this was
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  Speaker 2: Interim Chief Henney's initiative, was to get out of your cars,
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  Speaker 2: walk and engage the community, be a more visible presence.
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  Speaker 2: And the end result of that will be that crime
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  Speaker 2: will start to drop, or at least the perception for
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  Speaker 2: the people that live in these neighborhoods are that the
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  Speaker 2: police are there, they're present. And if something does happen,
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  Speaker 2: we know they're going to be around.
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  Speaker 1: So in other words, if I may use one person
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  Speaker 1: as an illustration of someone who seems to share that
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  Speaker 1: anti-police sentiment, Iris Raleigh, who has interfered with police doing
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  Speaker 1: their jobs, for example, who has been an advocate for
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  Speaker 1: defunding police or reimagining police. I'm accurately describing her, am
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  Speaker 1: I not, Ken?
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  Speaker 2: To a T.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so the Iris Raleigh types of the world, it
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  Speaker 1: sounds to me, are damaging police. to these communities experiencing violence.
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  Speaker 1: They're doing the exact opposite by way of advocacy for
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  Speaker 1: what the community needs.
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  Speaker 2: Without a doubt. Like I said, when you have the
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  Speaker 2: community coming to the police and we want you more
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  Speaker 2: present in our neighborhood, that does fly in the face of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the anti-police types going, no, we don't want
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  Speaker 2: the police around. So, you know, you can't have a
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  Speaker 2: place even though they try. But we're going to listen
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  Speaker 2: to the community, not the people that think that they're
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  Speaker 2: the spokesperson for these neighborhoods.
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  Speaker 1: So an elected official in downtown Cincinnati should be listening
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  Speaker 1: to their constituents rather than, well, advocates like Iris Rowley,
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  Speaker 1: who seem to have the dominant sway among elected officials downtown,
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  Speaker 1: most notably the mayor and, of course, the city manager,
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  Speaker 1: not elected, but she seems to be swayed by Iris Rowley.
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  Speaker 1: Perhaps she should listen to people in the community.
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  Speaker 2: You would think, because that's what the police officers are
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  Speaker 2: going to do. Those would do the same thing. All right.
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  Speaker 1: So to the extent, and here I am just boiling
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  Speaker 1: it down to little baby bites that we can all
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  Speaker 1: just knock out of the park hand cover. So to
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  Speaker 1: the extent people want more police in their neighborhood because
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  Speaker 1: it brings about greater peace and reduces the homicide rate,
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  Speaker 1: They should probably vote for different people when they get
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  Speaker 1: the chance.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt. And that's the important part. We
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  Speaker 2: have an election in November and people really should research
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  Speaker 2: the candidates that are for law and order, that are
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  Speaker 2: for public safety. Those are the ones that we should
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  Speaker 2: be electing, not people that have this crazy idea about
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  Speaker 2: zero cash bail and all this other nonsense where we're
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  Speaker 2: just going to let everybody out and we're going to
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  Speaker 2: continue going down the path that we have.
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  Speaker 1: Or in the case of Judge Blum, the secret docket
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  Speaker 1: where they slap juveniles on the wrist rather than hold
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  Speaker 1: them accountable for their crimes. Perhaps voting for Magistrate Lukin
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  Speaker 1: would be a better idea for the juvenile court system.
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  Speaker 2: Without a doubt. Unfortunately, we've seen Judge Blum, we've seen
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  Speaker 2: how her attitude is towards criminals, especially juvenile criminals, and
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  Speaker 2: they absolutely need to have a change in Hamilton County.
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  Speaker 2: That's the only way that we're going to be able
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  Speaker 2: to really make a dent in juvenile crime.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to hold you up because moving
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  Speaker 1: away from homicides, which again, let's celebrate the fact that
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  Speaker 1: they are going down. I want to ask you about
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  Speaker 1: other types of crimes because it seems to me we
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  Speaker 1: have a real problem. with property crime, but also I've
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  Speaker 1: read that aggravated assaults and even strangulations have gone up,
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  Speaker 1: according to the most recent report that Henny was referring
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  Speaker 1: to yesterday. We'll get one more couple of minutes here
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  Speaker 1: with Ken Kober. Thank you for holding, Ken. We'll be
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  Speaker 1: right back after I mention the tree health surgeon. That's
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  Speaker 1: Gregory Lester. He's the guy you want to talk to.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Thomas here, enjoying my conversation with FOP President Ken Coe.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about crime in downtown Cincinnati. Yes, murders are down.
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  Speaker 1: But what about other crimes? And real quick, before we
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  Speaker 1: leave the murder versus number of people getting shot, props
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  Speaker 1: again to UC Medical Center for the great work that
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  Speaker 1: they do in the emergency room, keeping people alive. But
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  Speaker 1: do you still, does the police department still use the
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  Speaker 1: shot spotter technology where the alert is given any time
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  Speaker 1: a gunshot is ringing out?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely. That's technology. That's not only great to know
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  Speaker 2: where it's occurring, but then we have folks that follow
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  Speaker 2: up afterwards that will go find shell casings, recover their
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  Speaker 2: shell casings, and then they put them into this machine
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  Speaker 2: to be able to link different shootings together. It's phenomenal,
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  Speaker 2: the work that they're doing. And the other part of
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  Speaker 2: looking for these shell casings are we actually have a
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  Speaker 2: police canine that is trained to search for these shell casings. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's cool. This dog has done a phenomenal job. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: one of the stories the handler told me was he
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  Speaker 2: was at the gas pumps getting gas, lets his dog
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  Speaker 2: go out to go to the bathroom, and all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden the dog runs over and alerts and finds
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  Speaker 2: like 20-some shell casings that had been there for months
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  Speaker 2: from a shot spotter previously.
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  Speaker 1: I love dogs. Those are so great. Anyway, so the
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  Speaker 1: technology is still there. It seems to me a logical
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  Speaker 1: question to ask given, yeah, the murders are down, but
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  Speaker 1: are the number of gunfire gunshots picked up by shot spotter.
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  Speaker 1: Are they down or are they up? Or is this
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  Speaker 1: kind of a status quo kind of thing going on?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's pretty much status quo. Um, you know, what,
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  Speaker 2: what's the real lasting impact of all of this? And,
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  Speaker 2: and I know it sounds like I'm beating a drum is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we go out and they arrest these people
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  Speaker 2: that are, that are the people that are causing these
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  Speaker 2: crimes that are shooting each other. Um, If we can
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  Speaker 2: find a way to hold them accountable, that's when we'll
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  Speaker 2: really start to make a difference. Because if these people
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  Speaker 2: believe that I'm going to go to prison if I
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  Speaker 2: shoot somebody, they're going to be less likely to do it.
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  Speaker 2: We're not going to stop everyone, but it is going
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  Speaker 2: to drive crime down.
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  Speaker 1: That's how the criminal justice system works. I mean, what
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  Speaker 1: rational person out there in the world doesn't think that
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  Speaker 1: there's going to be some accountability if you go out
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  Speaker 1: and shoot somebody?
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  Speaker 2: Anyhow.
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  Speaker 1: Pivoting over to other crime, according to the reporting from
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  Speaker 1: Fox 19, it says strangulations and aggravated assaults have increased
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  Speaker 1: in the same period of time that the murder rates
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  Speaker 1: have dropped, but robberies are down 20%. Property crime is
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  Speaker 1: still a big problem in downtown Cincinnati, I presume?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they are, especially for major events. And unfortunately, until
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  Speaker 2: people decide to actually secure their firearm in their vehicle,
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  Speaker 2: We're going to see it. I mean, we got a
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  Speaker 2: home Bengals game Sunday. The reality is there's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a bunch of kids down there that are going
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  Speaker 2: to be breaking into cars or attempting to break into
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  Speaker 2: cars because they know that, well, a lot of Bengals
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  Speaker 2: fans end up having firearms. I mean, firearms are so
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  Speaker 2: prevalent in society now that instead of taking the extra
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  Speaker 2: step to make sure your firearm is secured, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they'll just put it under a seat or in a
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  Speaker 2: glove box that's unlocked and And it's unfortunate, but this
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  Speaker 2: is where we are with society. But then again, you
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  Speaker 2: go back to juvenile court and property crimes, that is
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  Speaker 2: automatic just going. And we're going to put that on
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  Speaker 2: the diversionary docket because, well, it's just a firearm. These
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  Speaker 2: kids are actually collecting guns. I don't know how you
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  Speaker 2: can't see that they're using them against each other. So
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  Speaker 2: it should be taken more seriously. But right now, that's
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  Speaker 2: not the case.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and, you know, Christopher Smith has talked about this
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  Speaker 1: whole black-on-black crime. You know, when an officer shoots, let's say,
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  Speaker 1: a person of color, you know, the old George Floyd situation,
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  Speaker 1: the entire world blows up.
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  Speaker 2: Why, Ken?
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  Speaker 1: Because you know it and I know it. It's because
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  Speaker 1: it so rarely happens. Police aren't out gunning people down regularly.
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  Speaker 1: And when it does happen, obviously the nation's attentions might
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  Speaker 1: turn toward that to see what the hell went wrong.
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  Speaker 1: And yet every single week, downtown Cincinnati alone, you have
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  Speaker 1: black-on-black crime, gang members shooting at each other and killing
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  Speaker 1: each other But we seem to become numb to the
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  Speaker 1: whole concept. It doesn't even it isn't in a moment
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  Speaker 1: of outrage. It's like, oh, yeah, that happens every week.
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  Speaker 1: We shouldn't even bother paying attention to it. That's kind
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  Speaker 1: of the feeling I'm left with. And Christopher is. And
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  Speaker 1: there were some other commentators, notably from Chicago in the
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  Speaker 1: recent violence. Forty people shot over one weekend. Local black
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  Speaker 1: ministers and other aldermen on Chicago Council talking about this
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  Speaker 1: exact concept. We've just become numb to it.
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  Speaker 2: We can't be. Yeah, well, unfortunately, when you have things
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  Speaker 2: like this, like the police shooting someone, people let their
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  Speaker 2: feelings get in the way of facts. And you can
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  Speaker 2: show them facts, cold, hard facts of here's the reality
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  Speaker 2: of this, and they won't believe it. They just won't.
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  Speaker 2: They just want to be outraged. And you're right. They're
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  Speaker 2: not outraged until it's the police that shoot somebody. And
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  Speaker 2: that's something that is an absolute societal issue. And until
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  Speaker 2: we get a grip on reality– You know, unfortunately, things
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  Speaker 2: like this are going to change. And that's what really
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  Speaker 2: probably keeps cops up the most at night is wondering
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  Speaker 2: if they're going to encounter a juvenile and they're going
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  Speaker 2: to end up having a shooting. And it's just something
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  Speaker 2: that nobody wants to go through. And you talk to
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  Speaker 2: people in the communities, they are more afraid of juveniles
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  Speaker 2: than they are young adults.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's just just reality.
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  Speaker 1: That's because juveniles have this attitude that nothing is going
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  Speaker 1: to happen to them. Well, in Certainly that attitude bolstered
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  Speaker 1: and confirmed with the attitude of the judges in the
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  Speaker 1: juvenile court. They're not going to be punished. They're not accountable.
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  Speaker 1: So they're more likely to do crazy things that an
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  Speaker 1: adult facing big boy prison, big boy time, probably would
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  Speaker 1: never consider doing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not only their reality. It's not only
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  Speaker 2: their attitude. That is their reality. They know they're not
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  Speaker 2: going to be held accountable.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think we've identified the problem. We need to
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  Speaker 1: vote in November. My friends in the city of Cincinnati,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: you can vote for a change. Just vote for hard-on-crime,
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  Speaker 1: tough-on-crime judges. Again, get Judge Bloom off of the bench.
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  Speaker 1: Ken Coburn, my editorial comments you don't need to agree with,
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  Speaker 1: but it sounds to me like you probably do. I
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  Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for what you do for the
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  Speaker 1: Cincinnati Police Department. And for my listening audience, myself, Joe Strecker,
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  Speaker 1: I'll throw in there as well. Thank God for the
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati Police Department, the hard work you do each and
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  Speaker 1: every day.