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When Child Predators Realize They’ve Been Found · The conspiracy

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Speaker 1: Predators are some of the most disgusting and terrifying criminals
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Speaker 1: out there. But what happens when they finally get caught
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Speaker 1: in the act and face the punishment they deserve.
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Speaker 2: You show me that he's only seventeen, I can put
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Speaker 2: youre an hand Custer three in the back of a car.
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Speaker 1: There are four spine chilling reactions from sinisters realizing they've
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Speaker 1: been caught, Starting with the most shocking of all. In
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Speaker 1: March of twenty seventeen, a father contacted the More Police
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Speaker 1: Department about his seventeen year old son. He revealed that
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Speaker 1: his son had checked into the Super eight motel and
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Speaker 1: he was worried about him, so the police went to
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Speaker 1: check on him.
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Speaker 3: He's either here for narcottage or prostitution. For not cottage
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Speaker 3: kids proceeding shocked.
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Speaker 2: Let's go open up doors when you talk to you.
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Speaker 2: What what?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because you have a juvenile in your hotel room.
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Speaker 2: Okay, open the door. The'll tark you real quick. We'll
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Speaker 2: be done. Come out, Come out before you get me worried.
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Speaker 2: Show your hands. Okay, take a seat on the what's
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Speaker 2: going on? What's going on with you? Man? Trying to
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Speaker 2: have a good time? Yeah, what's your name, Ralph?
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Speaker 5: Ralph?
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Speaker 2: What you got id? Shorty? Shorty doesn't sound like the
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Speaker 2: last name to me. I'm yeah, that's what we do.
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Speaker 2: He's seventeen. Okay, what do you mean? Okay, Okay, whatever
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Speaker 2: you're doing, it's a bad idea. If he was a
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Speaker 2: couple of years younger, you'd be going to praise with.
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Speaker 1: At that time, the officer had no idea. He was
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Speaker 1: dealing with thirty five year old Senator Ralph Shorty, a
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Speaker 1: Republican from the Oklahoma Senate. What puzzled everyone was trying
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Speaker 1: to understand why Shorty was with a teenager inside a
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Speaker 1: motel in the middle of the night, and a few
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Speaker 1: days later, they were both brought in and questioned separately.
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Speaker 1: What followed in the interrogation was extremely disturbing.
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Speaker 6: There's a pretty lengthy conversation on his tablet that.
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Speaker 3: He says is with the guy.
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Speaker 6: Does you is the online or the kick kick Ie
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Speaker 6: is Jamie Tilly?
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Speaker 3: He calls me Jamie. I'm not sure why.
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Speaker 7: Okay.
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Speaker 6: He says, I need money for spring break. Jamie Tilly says,
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Speaker 6: I don't really have any legitimate things I need help
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Speaker 6: with right now. Would you be interested in stuff. He says, yes,
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Speaker 6: he's telling me that when he first.
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Speaker 8: Met you through Craiglist, that you that he had posted
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Speaker 8: an add and casual encounters, and that he had a
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Speaker 8: lot of responses for it, but that you said that
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Speaker 8: you wanted him to mess around with your wife while
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Speaker 8: you watched, and then it said that it never happened
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Speaker 8: because she was pregnant.
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Speaker 3: So here's the deal around.
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Speaker 8: You and I both know what.
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Speaker 3: The truth is, and the truth.
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Speaker 2: Is not what you're telling us. It's not me, it's
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Speaker 2: not you.
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Speaker 1: It's okay.
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Speaker 3: We communicated by phones. There was no intention that night.
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Speaker 1: Shorty denies that he was Jamie Tilley on Craigslist and
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Speaker 1: didn't have any online conversation with the teenager. However, the
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Speaker 1: police had all the proof they needed. There was even
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Speaker 1: a witness who recalled exactly what happened.
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Speaker 8: We've got a witness that puts you there.
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Speaker 3: When you say I absolutely picked him up.
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Speaker 6: When you say I'm here, the witness is waiting down
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Speaker 6: the street because.
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Speaker 3: She thought it was jack up.
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Speaker 6: She thought it was Jack up that he wouldn't tell
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Speaker 6: her where he was going or anything like that.
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Speaker 8: So she sits down the street and waves, and then she.
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Speaker 6: Sees him going to the superde Hotel when you and
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Speaker 6: then she gets scared and wondering what.
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Speaker 3: He's doing one so she calls the police or.
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Speaker 6: Calls his dad, and who in turn calls us.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we have his device. We have these are
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Speaker 3: just photos of it.
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Speaker 8: We actually have downloaded the entire device now, so we
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Speaker 8: have everything that y'all said that night. Everything I'm telling
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Speaker 8: that's not me, That clearly is you.
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Speaker 3: That's right. Else, that's a lie.
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Speaker 8: You're lying to us right now, that's clearly you. No
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Speaker 8: one else what Dollar Sick Coffee shop. I'm here and
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Speaker 8: you're there. That's clearly you. I don't know who else
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Speaker 8: you could have been talking to.
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Speaker 1: Shorty kept on denying his actions, but the FBI also
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Speaker 1: found that Shorty had been doing this for five years.
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Speaker 1: He had used fake names to send and receive child
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Speaker 1: pornography and go on Craigslist to find these young men.
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Speaker 1: According to Shorty, the younger the better. The legal age
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Speaker 1: of consent in the state of Oklahoma is sixteen, but
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Speaker 1: under state law, engaging in prostitution with anyone under eighteen
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Speaker 1: is illegal, and even though Senator Shorty claims he didn't
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Speaker 1: know the boy's real age. The police didn't believe him.
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Speaker 2: We're not saying that a bad guy.
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Speaker 8: We're not saying you set out thinking that this is
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Speaker 8: some fifteen year old kid you're going to go.
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that.
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Speaker 8: We're saying, Hell, maybe you didn't know how old he was.
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 8: I think you probably did, based on what he's telling me.
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Speaker 8: I asked him, I said, hey, does he know how
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Speaker 8: old you were? And he said, yeah, he knows because
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Speaker 8: we had a discussion about it, and at first he
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Speaker 8: was uncomfortable with it, but then he finally got over it.
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Speaker 3: I know you guys know believe man.
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Speaker 8: I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise unless
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Speaker 8: I have something to show you, and I don't know
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Speaker 8: living all that happened is at this point, is it
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Speaker 8: we get more evidence about what's going on?
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Speaker 3: Because there's nowhere to go from here.
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Speaker 1: There was no way out for Shorty, and in June
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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, prosecutors revealed that Shorty has twice with the
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Speaker 1: victim before they were found together at the hotel. Finally,
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Speaker 1: in September twenty eighteen, he was sentenced to a total
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Speaker 1: of fifteen years in prison on a child trafficking charge
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Speaker 1: and ten years of supervised release. Now imagine if the
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Speaker 1: predator is someone everyone is supposed to feel safe around.
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Speaker 9: As a teacher, if you're accused of your guilty.
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Speaker 1: Stephen Budd was a teacher at Rosarian Elementary School before
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Speaker 1: he got caught and arrested for giving out candy to
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Speaker 1: kids in return for sual favors our reward system he
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Speaker 1: likes to call Bud Bucks. In twenty thirteen, two teenage
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Speaker 1: girls came forward and reported Steven to the police. The
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Speaker 1: incidents took place in two thousand and six when Bud
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Speaker 1: was their homeroom teacher and the girls were only nine
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Speaker 1: at the time. A few months after the report, he
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Speaker 1: was brought in for interrogation.
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Speaker 9: Why do you think.
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Speaker 10: Because of all the say today the girls calling me
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Speaker 10: and accusing.
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Speaker 9: Why do you think she would accuse this happened?
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Speaker 3: Remember this was a couple of years ago.
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Speaker 9: How long ago was this in fourth grade?
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Speaker 3: High school?
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Speaker 9: You know? The allegation is have you ever read.
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Speaker 3: Anyone eighteen years of teaching? Is never.
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Speaker 9: In another state? I have no history at all. So
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Speaker 9: would you be surprised of other children people here the same?
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Speaker 11: Yes?
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Speaker 9: So what were the control issues today, like what was
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Speaker 9: going on with that control that he said she was
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Speaker 9: trarning to say something to Yea.
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Speaker 12: She was accused me of doing stuff every day and fourth.
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Speaker 13: Grade to her.
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Speaker 1: You can tell from his body language that he's hiding something.
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Speaker 1: At first, he seems relaxed, and then suddenly he shifted
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Speaker 1: in his seat and got in a stiff, defensive posture.
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Speaker 9: So I don't know the familiar with DNA. Is there
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Speaker 9: any time you were at school that you did walking
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Speaker 9: scenary that shows up? That stuff doesn't go away. I'm
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Speaker 9: just letting you know.
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Speaker 1: Stephen maintains that posture as he denies the allegations. What
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Speaker 1: Stephen accidentally confessed to next might have been enough to
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Speaker 1: put him behind bars.
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Speaker 9: Well, I understand you possible at all right now, your
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Speaker 9: breathing of being back you said under the desk.
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Speaker 12: Well, if the death wasn't necessarily center, it's just kids
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Speaker 12: ended up there at some point in one of the
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Speaker 12: places that they went, as well as like under the
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Speaker 12: computer table as well as you know front where so.
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Speaker 9: Many kids can fit under the desk at one time
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Speaker 9: it looked very small than I wouldn't say too Yeah, yeah, yes,
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Speaker 9: you don't recall taking.
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Speaker 1: These girls, saying that's happened.
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Speaker 9: We have miss Medina saying, yes, he took.
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Speaker 2: How would we.
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Speaker 10: Account for that?
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Speaker 12: I don't know how you do account for that?
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Speaker 3: So you're saying you don't remember that.
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Speaker 10: I don't every rememberable and anybody into during French or
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Speaker 10: Spanish or whatever it was.
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Speaker 1: At this point, he knew he was one confession away
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Speaker 1: from spending the rest of his life in prison, so
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Speaker 1: he asked for his lawyer, would.
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Speaker 9: You consent to a DNA standard for us to compare
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Speaker 9: to any potential.
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Speaker 13: Evidence under the Personally I would yes, but I also
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Speaker 13: think this is like there's no answer and I can't
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Speaker 13: piece it together either.
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Speaker 11: So I'm thinking at this point, you know, I need
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Speaker 11: a wild you. I need to find out someone that
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Speaker 11: can tell me and look at this for me. Not
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Speaker 11: nothing personally against you guys, but you're a little girl
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Speaker 11: king to me and said these things.
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Speaker 10: I'd be heartbroken and go with her too, but I'm not.
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Speaker 10: I have no one to give me the place.
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Speaker 1: Stephen was found guilty of utually assaulting two nine year
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Speaker 1: old girls inside his classroom and was sentenced to three
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Speaker 1: life sentences in prison.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 1: The first two cases were a breeze for the cops.
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Speaker 1: Josie Armand's case took a violent twist. On May twenty second,
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, thirty year old Josie, a man was
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Speaker 1: accused of groping a ten year old girl in a
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Speaker 1: Wisconsin Walmart, but before anyone could stop him, Josie fled
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Speaker 1: the store and ran out of sight. Thankfully. It's not
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Speaker 1: that easy to escape the police and this cop, and
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Speaker 1: it's to track him down.
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Speaker 2: This is the name, Josie ring a bell? Is he here?
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Speaker 3: Okay?
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Speaker 2: I gotta talked to him.
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Speaker 3: Hey, Josie, off the flag.
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Speaker 5: This is a little bit more urgent from me, so
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Speaker 5: I decided to just come down and talk to.
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Speaker 2: You here in May.
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Speaker 3: We've got a complaint from his parents and a young
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Speaker 3: girl at the Walmart Alaska. Then involves you anything ring
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Speaker 3: a bell to that? Okay? We ever been at to
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Speaker 3: Walmart where you got changed out of the store.
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Speaker 1: Josie kept on denying everything, but the cop had a
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Speaker 1: trick up his sleeve. Before visiting Josie, the officer collected
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Speaker 1: pictures of him at Walmart and a receipt confirming a
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Speaker 1: purchase that he made there. He had him dead to rights.
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Speaker 2: Would you agree that this is you?
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Speaker 14: No?
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Speaker 2: Okay? What's your truck?
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Speaker 3: Oh?
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Speaker 5: You don't think that resembles even the slightest perspective.
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Speaker 3: This whole thing was inside subway about a sub sandwich.
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Speaker 3: Use your debit card? Somebody used my debitra Who to
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Speaker 3: you in a subway?
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Speaker 2: Yep?
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Speaker 3: On Alaska Walmart subway. Still want to tell me you
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Speaker 3: have noe what I'm talking about? Okay?
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Speaker 1: At this point, there's only one option for Josie to run, right.
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Speaker 3: Donic has.
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Speaker 15: Stop.
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Speaker 7: Stop stop.
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Speaker 1: Luckily, Josie didn't get too far before he was tackled
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Speaker 1: to the ground by the cops, and they made sure
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Speaker 1: he regretted even choosing to run in the first place.
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Speaker 1: Josie was charged with first degreeual assault of a girl
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Speaker 1: under the age of thirteen and misdemeanor resisting an officer,
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Speaker 1: and could face up to sixty years in prison. Everything
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Speaker 1: happened extremely quickly for this guy, but in the case
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Speaker 1: of Ryan Burton, the cops had spent weeks planning their
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Speaker 1: attack and making sure he headed to jail for a
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Speaker 1: long time. On July sixth, twenty twenty one, an investigator
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Speaker 1: pretended to be a fifteen year old girl on social media,
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Speaker 1: and Ryan Burton took the bait. He even went as
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Speaker 1: far as asking for her address in Lacrosse, Wisconsin, but
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Speaker 1: when he arrived, he was greeted by police officers and
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Speaker 1: not the young girl he was expecting.
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Speaker 2: Why did you take the ross wet with Lacrosse police power?
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Speaker 2: If you take your hands on your pockets for me?
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Speaker 16: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: What's your what's your answer?
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Speaker 11: Ryan?
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Speaker 17: Sure?
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Speaker 12: Right?
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Speaker 11: Okay?
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Speaker 2: Any weapons with you today?
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Speaker 13: No?
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Speaker 2: Okay, I just want to put your hands on tip
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Speaker 2: your head. I'm just gonna patch you.
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Speaker 14: Do.
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Speaker 2: Make sure you got no weapons with you? Three weird
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Speaker 2: police department as well?
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Speaker 15: Sir sure made yes? Suh, Yeah, ok I've heard Brian.
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Speaker 16: I'm good.
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Speaker 1: Ryan was immediately arrested as the chat with the investigator
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Speaker 1: was more than enough proof to take him in. However,
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Speaker 1: they now had to learn more about Burton by searching
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Speaker 1: his car. One of his diaries caught their attention. You
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Speaker 1: won't believe what was written inside.
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Speaker 5: Whole therapists mentioned that I had nonverbal cues that I
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Speaker 5: was uncomfortable when talking about what happened. After some reflection,
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Speaker 5: I think this is because I've always felt like I'm
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Speaker 5: a good person. I'm kind. But this has turned me
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Speaker 5: into a pot and that makes me very uncomfortable.
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Speaker 3: Ah, why don't we just take that whole thing.
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Speaker 1: At this point, Ryan's fate was sealed. They had the
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Speaker 1: conversations and the diary as proof, and the only thing
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Speaker 1: that was left was to interrogate him.
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Speaker 3: Ryan. Obviously, you're here the second and the custody for
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Speaker 3: a reason. I've got an open investigation. I investigate crimes
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Speaker 3: against kids. Okay, some idea why you're here, as long.
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Speaker 1: As you understand your as Ryan, I need your signature here.
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Speaker 5: And if you want to, if you want to talk
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Speaker 5: to me and talk to me about why you're here,
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Speaker 5: signature here.
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Speaker 8: Okay, don't want to talk.
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Speaker 9: I'm going to be going in the county tailtidents.
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Speaker 3: There'll be two charges, all right. One of them is
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Speaker 3: the use of a computer to facilitated.
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Speaker 8: Crime, okay, and the second one is attempted second degree
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Speaker 8: the child.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 8: I'll respect your wishes and we're going to get you
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Speaker 8: out here soon as we can.
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Speaker 1: Ryan decided to stay silent and has been charged with
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Speaker 1: two offenses. The first one is the use of a
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Speaker 1: computer to facilitate a child's crime, and the second one
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Speaker 1: is attempted second degree to the assault of a child.
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Speaker 1: If found guilty, he could face up to sixty years
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Speaker 1: in prison. However, Burton was released on signature bond, which
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Speaker 1: forbids contact with his biological children. In the bond allows
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Speaker 1: supervised contact with his stepchild and restricted internet access.
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Speaker 14: You said age didn't matter, You're gonna have or you
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Speaker 14: were gonna give him, or you told him straight up?
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Speaker 3: Did you know he was thirteen?
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Speaker 1: This is the moment Timothy Kine, a forty two year old,
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Speaker 1: realized he'd been caught. Timothy tried meeting up with a
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Speaker 1: thirteen year old boy, but unfortunately for him, John was
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Speaker 1: actually a decoy placed by the to catchup team and
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Speaker 1: was run by a team of experienced catchers. After just
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Speaker 1: a week of online chats, tim was lured in and
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Speaker 1: taken down by the cops. After being apprehended, he was
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Speaker 1: brought into the police station where the interrogation began.
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Speaker 3: Tim do you know why you're here?
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Speaker 9: Why did you come to Hellen Heights tonight? Can you
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Speaker 9: tell me I.
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Speaker 18: Was gonna meet this this guy is you know? We
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Speaker 18: were gonna watch the movies and stuff we.
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Speaker 3: Just met online. I was actually gonna be in the area.
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Speaker 7: Anyways, Tim decides to play dumb and acts as though
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Speaker 7: he's got no idea he's done anything wrong, a classic
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Speaker 7: first move many make, but somehow.
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Speaker 1: Not as common as his next claim, Who was that person?
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Speaker 3: John? And I can't remember this last night? How old
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Speaker 3: was he? I am eighteen? I think I really don't know.
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Speaker 9: Eighteen?
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Speaker 16: How'd you meet him? For?
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Speaker 2: Only?
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Speaker 3: Do you chat online?
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Speaker 9: Quite frequently?
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Speaker 1: Of course, he says John was eighteen years old, the
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Speaker 1: legal age of consent in Kentucky, where all this took place.
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Speaker 1: This response is actually so common that lots of people
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Speaker 1: actually treat it as an incriminating statement. If a forty
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Speaker 1: year old is comfortable meeting up with and having worked with,
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Speaker 1: an eighteen year old, they're either lying about the kid's age,
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Speaker 1: or very likely also willing to meet up with someone
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Speaker 1: that's seventeen or younger.
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Speaker 16: I have some chat logs where you all talked back
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Speaker 16: and forth. I think that that person told you they
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Speaker 16: were thirteen.
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Speaker 18: Chat I wouldn't meet some of my thirteen years old,
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Speaker 18: So that's two, you know, that's that's too young.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Not only did John tell Tim he was thirteen, it
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Speaker 1: was almost the very first thing he said and while
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Speaker 1: Tim acknowledges here that thirteen is too young, his messages
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Speaker 1: contradicts that as well, with him explicitly stating that he
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Speaker 1: really doesn't care about the age. It's the guy that
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Speaker 1: he's interested in.
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Speaker 16: You want to tell me a little bit about how
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Speaker 16: you chatted.
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Speaker 3: With was it John? He said, yeah, nothing, We just
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Speaker 3: met and you know, just sport from there.
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Speaker 14: Did you have something in common?
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Speaker 3: Just seem like a nice guy?
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Speaker 16: You know.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't take a genius to realize that Tim's keeping
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Speaker 1: his answers as short and vague as possible here as
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Speaker 1: a way to hide the true nature of his messages.
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Speaker 1: Tim already knows he's in trouble and what he's like
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Speaker 1: in trouble. For his only play is to try and
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Speaker 1: convince the detectives that he was there for a different purpose.
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately for him, though, the cops think they have everything
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Speaker 1: they need to take him down.
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Speaker 16: I've read a little bit of the chat that you had,
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Speaker 16: and there were some underlying issues of maybe homosexuality. Was
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Speaker 16: that maybe the reason for your contact with John.
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Speaker 4: Uh could be But if I mean if he was,
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Speaker 4: if he's and that's what you said, that's you know,
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Speaker 4: that would never.
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Speaker 16: Happened, so, but you were interested in him.
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Speaker 3: Because he was or.
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Speaker 1: Many people have noted that the detectives' comments here are
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Speaker 1: besides the point of the interrogation. But there is the
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Speaker 1: possibility that it was a question posed to trick Tim
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Speaker 1: into incriminating himself. If Tim was interested in John strictly
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Speaker 1: because he was homosexual, that implies that his intentions with
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Speaker 1: John were However, this does become a somewhat pointless argument
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Speaker 1: when you realize that pair met on a website called
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Speaker 1: gay dot com.
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Speaker 16: I get the feeling that you think that we're trying
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Speaker 16: to mess with you.
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Speaker 3: That's that's not the case at all.
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Speaker 16: We're here to find out what this situation was so
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Speaker 16: that we can explain it.
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Speaker 3: And without your situation, you know, I mean, that's you
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Speaker 3: understand me.
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Speaker 16: So I need you to come clean with me and
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Speaker 16: tell me what this was all about.
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Speaker 3: This is exactly what it was about.
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Speaker 17: You know, if I meet somebody, fine, you know, I mean,
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Speaker 17: if it was farther, that'school. But you know, I mean,
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Speaker 17: I'm looking I'm not looking for you know, I'm looking
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Speaker 17: for friends, maybe a relationship.
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Speaker 1: Tim and the cops continue to talk about everything that's
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Speaker 1: happened so far with Tim ex planning, there was nothing
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Speaker 1: inherently about the meetup, and he had no idea that
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Speaker 1: guy was eighteen. But as the cops start to repeat
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Speaker 1: the same questions over and over, he starts to get
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Speaker 1: visually uncomfortable, So the cops decide to ramp up the
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Speaker 1: intensity to see if they can get him to crack.
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Speaker 3: Jim, we got some problems here.
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Speaker 14: Whenever you talk to John, you told him straight up.
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Speaker 3: That you knew he was thirteen.
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Speaker 16: I can't tell you how many times in this check
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Speaker 16: walk did you tell him that you know he's thirteen.
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Speaker 16: You talk about spring break, you ask him when his
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Speaker 16: mom's leaving, you plan.
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Speaker 3: On coming to stay.
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Speaker 14: Hold on, I've listened to you, Okay, I'm gonna lay
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Speaker 14: it out for you, because here it is. You were
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Speaker 14: coming to stay all weekend, not just to day. You
20:50
Speaker 14: told him you were coming all weekend. You were gonna
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Speaker 14: have or you were going to give him, or you
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Speaker 14: ask him the first time that he if you've been
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Speaker 14: caught by his mother, And whenever he told whenever he
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Speaker 14: asked you how old you were when you started, you
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Speaker 14: said thirteen or fourteen, and he said I was the
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Speaker 14: same age, and you said that you understood, So don't
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Speaker 14: tell me that you don't know that he was thirteen
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Speaker 14: and that that wasn't your intention to come here and
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Speaker 14: have say the thirteen year old.
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Speaker 3: That was not my intention. It was absolutely your intention
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Speaker 3: to him body. Don't fill me full of crap.
21:26
Speaker 14: I'm done with that game.
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Speaker 3: That game is over. Now.
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Speaker 14: Do we want to talk about what your intentions were here?
21:35
Speaker 14: Because I'm beginning to think you're pa.
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Speaker 1: Got all the messages that the detectives are referring to
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Speaker 1: our public so we can see exactly how disgusting they
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Speaker 1: really are. Not only was he constantly telling John he
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Speaker 1: liked him, wanted to date him, and would do anything
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Speaker 1: for him, they also talked explicitly about cuddling, making out orals,
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Speaker 1: and masturbation. And that's not even mentioning the facts that
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Speaker 1: Tim lied about his age and said countless other creepy
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Speaker 1: and things. In court, It's possible an experienced legal team
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Speaker 1: could argue that Tim miss read John's age or completely
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Speaker 1: missed it in the first place. His words back this
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Speaker 1: up when he's explicitly said if he found out that
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Speaker 1: kid was just thirteen, he wouldn't have engaged in any activity. However,
22:25
Speaker 1: many of his other messages carry the implication that he
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Speaker 1: was fully aware that John was underage, and that it
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Speaker 1: was even his primary focus.
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Speaker 4: If I would have found out, if I would have known,
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Speaker 4: that I knew, and that I just didn't realize it,
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Speaker 4: because when I looked on the website, it had a
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Speaker 4: date like nineteen seventy four something like that. So that's
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Speaker 4: the connection that I thought, Ok.
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Speaker 14: You've already told me that everybody lies on runww Do
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Speaker 14: you think that.
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Speaker 3: That's correct until you meet somebody, and until.
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Speaker 14: You chatted with him and he told you he was
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Speaker 14: thirteen years old, and you said that was great, that
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Speaker 14: was fine. You did not have a problem with the
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Speaker 14: age difference.
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Speaker 3: Yes, to him about high school.
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Speaker 14: You talk to him about girls at school and the boys,
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Speaker 14: if there are any gay boys at his school, at
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Speaker 14: his high school.
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Speaker 3: You know, we talked about a lot of things.
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Speaker 1: In the past few minutes, Tim's stance has changed from
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Speaker 1: a relaxed, open stance to a rigid, upright one. He's
23:24
Speaker 1: also crossed his arms in front of him and has
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Speaker 1: his shoulders lifted, both telltale signs that somebody is feeling
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Speaker 1: very uncomfortable. Tim also decides to take off his jacket,
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Speaker 1: likely meaning he's very uncomfortable and feels a subconscious need
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Speaker 1: to reset the entire interaction. Lastly, his legs are crossed
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Speaker 1: and his feet are crossed and constantly moving around, implying
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Speaker 1: a huge amount of anxiety and a subconscious need to
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Speaker 1: exit the interaction entirely. After almost an hour of interrogation,
23:54
Speaker 1: the police decide that they're not making any progress right
23:57
Speaker 1: now and decide to step out temporarily. This gets them
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Speaker 1: a chance to drop their next move, whilst also leaving
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Speaker 1: the suspect alone, letting them steal and become more anxious
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Speaker 1: about their current situation. After an hour of waiting, the
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Speaker 1: detectives finally return.
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Speaker 16: But you told me you already realized that this was
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Speaker 16: a child, Tim, I would not have had with a child.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Tim.
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Speaker 14: You talked to him about the Easter Bunny, an Easter.
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Speaker 3: Basket, but everybody got an Easter basket.
24:25
Speaker 14: You ask him if he's still believed in the Easter Bunny.
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Speaker 14: Don't tell me you thought you absolutely asking.
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Speaker 3: No, do you still believe in Easter money?
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Speaker 14: Oh yeah?
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Speaker 16: No?
24:39
Speaker 14: Oh yeah, and it's in black and white. Now, come
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Speaker 14: off of it. Any judge, it's gonna see that. Any
24:45
Speaker 14: jury is gonna see that, and they're gonna say this
24:48
Speaker 14: guy is absolutely.
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Speaker 3: I guess it's gonna have to go away. You know,
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Speaker 3: it's gonna have to go that far. So is this
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Speaker 3: a profile you saw? Yeah?
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Speaker 16: And can you show me where I'm here? You thought
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Speaker 16: that he was eighteen? I can't because it's not there
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Speaker 16: and it.
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Speaker 2: Never was here.
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Speaker 3: It says seventy three.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, but then on his.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that says he's thirteen.
25:25
Speaker 14: But you also went see Tim se no, you see
25:30
Speaker 14: what it looks like.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I see what it looks like. It's ternament.
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Speaker 4: It's absolutely say I made a mistake, you know, because
25:38
Speaker 4: I still you still would not have went for somebody
25:42
Speaker 4: because there were underage I'm looking, you know, eighteen would
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Speaker 4: have been fine.
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Speaker 3: He didn't have mistake.
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Speaker 14: He didn't have a car, he didn't have a driver's license,
25:53
Speaker 14: He couldn't meet you somewhere because he was.
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Speaker 3: Old, thirteen years old. I did not know that. I
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Speaker 3: did not. I mean that's I did not know that.
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Speaker 1: Despite Tim still not confessing or budging even an inch,
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Speaker 1: the detectives still believe they have everything they need to
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Speaker 1: bring him to justice. And that's exactly what happened. Timothy
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Speaker 1: Kine was charged with a felony count of interstate travel
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Speaker 1: to engage in a minor and was sentenced to forty
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Speaker 1: six months in prison, as well as twenty years of
26:28
Speaker 1: supervised release and a mark on his permanent record as
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Speaker 1: a registered