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Diogenes Club | E11 - Belief and Calling Out The Bullshit · Diogenes Club

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SPEAKER_00: Good morning, good afternoon, whatever time of day it is for you.
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SPEAKER_03: Hey,
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SPEAKER_03: y'all,
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SPEAKER_03: I'm Nick Pero,
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SPEAKER_03: not your dad,
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SPEAKER_03: joined by Walter Ryan,
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SPEAKER_03: Level 36 Magic user,
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SPEAKER_03: soon to be joined by Evan Fields,
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SPEAKER_03: always late.
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SPEAKER_03: And Eric is going to be off today.
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SPEAKER_03: They had his grandmother passed and we send him his love.
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SPEAKER_03: We send him our love.
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SPEAKER_03: I send him my love and my family.
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SPEAKER_03: And to his family, too, because it's hard to lose relative.
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SPEAKER_03: And I send my love, brother.
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SPEAKER_03: Welcome, everyone, to the Diogenes Club.
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SPEAKER_03: Walter, how are you today, brother?
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SPEAKER_01: Doing good.
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SPEAKER_01: It's been a good, busy morning already.
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SPEAKER_01: My daughter's on her way to state tonight for forensics,
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SPEAKER_01: so I get to go to the send-off later today.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm proud of her.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm always proud of her.
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SPEAKER_01: Proud of both my kids.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, a lot going on.
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SPEAKER_03: Good, yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm glad you're proud of it.
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SPEAKER_03: I love that you're proud of your kids.
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SPEAKER_01: They're so good.
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SPEAKER_01: How could you not?
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SPEAKER_03: I mean, you and I talk about your daughters and my kids all the time.
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I'd rather be proud of my kids and excited for the things that
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they enjoy than just
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SPEAKER_03: shitting on them for the things I want them to do.
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SPEAKER_03: And I'm really still learning that lesson in a lot of ways.
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SPEAKER_03: And I'm really trying.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, shit.
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SPEAKER_03: And we got our boy, special guest.
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SPEAKER_03: His name won't show up on the live.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, there he is.
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SPEAKER_02: Y'all caught me in the middle of cooking.
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SPEAKER_02: In the middle of cooking taters.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, shit.
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SPEAKER_01: I've got to read this poem for you, sir.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm all excited about this because it's just an ode to Frederick Pogue.
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I had to invite you on because Walter has been waiting for
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weeks now to read this poem.
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SPEAKER_02: I want to hear it.
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SPEAKER_02: That's why I'm here.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm cooking taters and onions right now.
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Should we wait for Evans or should we just do the ballad of
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Frederick Pogue right now?
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SPEAKER_01: Just do it.
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SPEAKER_03: We could do it.
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SPEAKER_03: Let's do it.
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SPEAKER_03: We wait for No Man.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, good.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm excited about this.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, this poem has a chorus.
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SPEAKER_01: All right?
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SPEAKER_01: A Greek chorus?
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: And the chorus is every time somebody says the name Frederick Pogue,
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SPEAKER_01: you two have to just say Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_01: Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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And you can get increasing louder or however you want to do it,
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whatever the spirit is.
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SPEAKER_01: Not for the title, though.
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SPEAKER_01: But the first time, I'll just put my hand up.
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If you guys don't say Frederick Pogue,
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when I say Frederick Pogue,
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I'm going to be pissed.
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SPEAKER_03: Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, we got it.
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SPEAKER_01: All right, we got it.
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SPEAKER_01: All right, I'm going to start reading this.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm so excited about this.
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SPEAKER_01: I just practiced this.
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SPEAKER_01: It made me laugh so hard.
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SPEAKER_01: All right, here we go.
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SPEAKER_02: The Ballad of Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_02: Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_02: Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: Fallow fields turn to mud beneath the acid rain.
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The spacious sky is obscured by smoke from flaming amber fields
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or amber waves of grain.
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SPEAKER_01: The Ravagers believed they'd won and reveled in their ideology of pain.
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But the cackling horde would not have been so bold if they'd
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known their crimes had
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SPEAKER_01: awakened Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_03: Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_01: His tarnished armor,
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SPEAKER_01: soiled with mud and splatter from victories old,
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SPEAKER_01: was sufficient burden to bow a lesser man's soul.
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SPEAKER_01: But lesser was not a word that applied to Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_02: Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_02: Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_01: The inferno in the distance did nothing to oppose the cold,
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but the thought of all they'd stolen set alight a brand of
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justice in the heart of
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SPEAKER_01: Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_03: Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_01: He bore witness to these crimes committed by men of slime,
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SPEAKER_01: the traitors and the insurrectionists,
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SPEAKER_01: the book arsonists,
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SPEAKER_01: and the hate apologists.
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SPEAKER_01: They would all be held accountable by the might of Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_03: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: Suddenly, he turned his weary head as he searched for evidence.
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SPEAKER_01: His gaze fell upon the broken levers of control.
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SPEAKER_01: Then he understood what had transgressed.
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These toxic men of insignificance who looked on anguish with
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indifference had taken
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the profits of the innocent and with this fortune dispossessed
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had commenced to
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SPEAKER_01: make a mess before retreating,
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SPEAKER_01: laughing back into their foul ancestral holes.
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But these intolerant fools had overstepped and failed to
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reflect on the consequence
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SPEAKER_01: of provoking the ire and intellect of the unrelenting Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_03: Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_02: Dude, this is epic.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh my God, I don't deserve this.
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SPEAKER_02: I love this so much.
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SPEAKER_01: Frederick scowled his head unbowed as he absorbed the chaos all around.
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SPEAKER_01: The traitors thought themselves above the law,
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SPEAKER_01: but that did not protect them from Frederick's vow.
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They'd grown overconfident in their plan,
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but this defilement would not stand.
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SPEAKER_01: And Polk swore to educate them on what a man of character is.
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SPEAKER_01: is truly worth.
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In the wreckage of a ruined world,
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the leaders must be reminded who they served.
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SPEAKER_01: And thus resolved, he ventured forth Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_01: Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_03: Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_01: Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_02: Dude, this guy sounds awesome.
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SPEAKER_02: Who is he?
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, wait.
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SPEAKER_03: Frederick Pogue, yeah?
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SPEAKER_03: Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_01: All right, that's the poem.
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SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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SPEAKER_03: We lost Evan.
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SPEAKER_03: The awesomeness became too much.
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SPEAKER_01: She's swirled off the world.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, well.
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SPEAKER_02: Dude, I thought I could write poetry.
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SPEAKER_02: My God, man.
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SPEAKER_02: Not just because it was about me.
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SPEAKER_01: Dude.
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SPEAKER_01: I love that he was in the chorus.
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SPEAKER_01: Good to see you, Evan.
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SPEAKER_01: You came in right in the middle of the ballad of Frederick Pogue.
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SPEAKER_01: I guess we'll just have to read the motherfucker again.
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SPEAKER_01: So you get to
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SPEAKER_02: Dude, that is insane.
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SPEAKER_03: My cheeks hurt now from laughing too long.
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SPEAKER_03: I was just laughing the whole time that was going on.
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SPEAKER_02: Dude, I feel honored.
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SPEAKER_01: I hope you do.
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SPEAKER_02: I feel honored, man.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, wow.
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SPEAKER_01: We got to put that on a poster and just like on a statue.
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You're like standing there holding the head like the Medusa
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head at the end of
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SPEAKER_01: Clash of the Titans.
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SPEAKER_02: No, I would hold Pericles' head.
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SPEAKER_02: I would hold Pericles' head.
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SPEAKER_02: He needs to leave Medusa alone.
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SPEAKER_01: I know, Jason.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was just thinking that, too.
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SPEAKER_01: Medusa never did anything wrong.
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SPEAKER_02: What did Medusa do, man?
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All she wanted to do was have men stop looking at her or people
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stop looking at her.
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SPEAKER_03: Like,
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SPEAKER_03: she warned them,
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SPEAKER_03: I'll turn you to stone if you look at me or if I have to look at you,
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SPEAKER_03: you're going to be stoned,
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SPEAKER_03: so don't look at me.
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SPEAKER_02: Dude, I mean...
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SPEAKER_02: The Greeks were more prophetic.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, they're misogynistic.
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SPEAKER_02: But it's like, think about that.
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SPEAKER_02: A beautiful woman gets sexually assaulted by a god.
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SPEAKER_02: And then they go, oh, well, you broke your vow to me.
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SPEAKER_02: Another woman goes, you broke your vow to me, so I'm going to curse you.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: What?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: No.
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SPEAKER_01: No.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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yeah like it's funny i'm i'm listening to a book series now i
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just finished
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re-listening to the dungeon crawler carl book series um and i'm
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re-listening to uh
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the uh red rising series yeah yeah and i think it's red rising
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by pierce brown i
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believe is the author's name um forgive me if i get his name
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wrong i will correct
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SPEAKER_03: it in the post show i'm just not looking it up at at the moment
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SPEAKER_03: However,
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SPEAKER_03: it's about Mars,
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but it's based on all these Greek and Roman sub-themes and the
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ideas of very highly
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SPEAKER_03: structured society and that colors,
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SPEAKER_03: not color of your skin,
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SPEAKER_03: but colors of your class are what distinguish you.
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SPEAKER_03: So there's goals who are at the top.
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SPEAKER_03: there are reds who are at the bottom.
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SPEAKER_03: There's even high reds and low reds, just like slaves.
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SPEAKER_03: There were high slaves and low slaves.
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SPEAKER_03: There were other types of, there are pinks who are your sex workers.
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There are yellows who are your healers and blues who are your
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scientists and green
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SPEAKER_03: or greens who are your business folks.
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And it's very like color based so that it's not specifically
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about skin color because it's a
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solar system wide society of humanity they they moved past
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racism and moved into
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SPEAKER_03: classism exclusively as they're like bigotry um but it really it's really
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SPEAKER_03: interesting re-listening to those books um because uh it's all about
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authoritarianism and the fall of an authoritarian society and
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the breakdown of
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corporate-based authoritarianism that has spread throughout our
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known solar system.
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SPEAKER_03: And I keep re-listening to some of these books and these series,
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SPEAKER_03: and I'm like,
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SPEAKER_03: you know,
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they were real quick to start talking about workers' rights
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changes after a couple
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SPEAKER_03: warehouses caught on fire.
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SPEAKER_03: Right?
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SPEAKER_03: Or, like, I'm not advocating for this.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm just saying there is a cause and effect when certain things happen.
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SPEAKER_03: And the more that the U.S.
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SPEAKER_03: government terrorizes its own citizenry,
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SPEAKER_03: the more it radicalizes people.
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SPEAKER_03: And that's dangerous as fuck, U.S. government.
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SPEAKER_03: You shouldn't radicalize people.
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SPEAKER_03: Because you know what the fuck happens if people get radicalized.
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SPEAKER_02: Well,
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SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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SPEAKER_02: JFK said it like I'm paraphrasing the quote,
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SPEAKER_02: like when you make the peaceful transfer of power of impossible,
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SPEAKER_02: you make violent revolution inevitable.
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SPEAKER_01: And the problem is people think that's like, oh, you get to vote.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like,
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SPEAKER_02: no,
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SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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because seeing when he talked about the where the guy who did
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the warehouse fire in
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SPEAKER_02: Ontario,
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SPEAKER_02: he made a great point as because he's a human.
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SPEAKER_02: A lot of people like myself included forget he's a human rights lawyer.
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SPEAKER_02: And he's like, if you create conditions where
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it makes it impossible for you to live for anyone to live
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whether that's like a
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blockade in gaza or whatever or or just yeah you know you can't
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live in uh ontario
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california then yeah i mean and people lash out they have a
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they have somewhat of a
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justification for that you know and so it's another thing that
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i found interesting
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too right is so the water problems right i'm just getting it
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going yeah go ahead
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No,
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the water problems we're having is,
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like,
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now suddenly there's a report from J.P.
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Morgan.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like, oh, well, they're thinking about climate change.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, you're thinking about it.
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SPEAKER_03: Now we're thinking about it.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Death by thirst is a pretty serious way to die.
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SPEAKER_01: There's, like, no more painful death that you can imagine.
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SPEAKER_01: Smokes.
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SPEAKER_02: There's a cloud of smoke below us.
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SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
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SPEAKER_02: Evan, this ain't that kind of show, brother.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: He's got his smoke machine on the ground.
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SPEAKER_03: He turned on his fog machine for the house.
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SPEAKER_01: It's the awesome breath of Frederick Bogue.
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SPEAKER_03: Turtle moon.
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SPEAKER_02: This is a family show, Evan.
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SPEAKER_02: There's only three veterans here, not four.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, even though Walter acts like a veteran, he ain't one.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm a veteran at school.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm a teacher.
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SPEAKER_02: There you go.
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SPEAKER_02: So four veterans present.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's not a family show.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm so ready to go now.
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awesome time it was turtle time for evan turtle power over
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there brother you know
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what it's a good day because apparently jewels from pulp
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fiction samuel jackson is
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now a biblical prophet man yeah i was so happy about that i'm
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like and i and i was
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SPEAKER_02: telling a buddy of mine i said honestly if you think about it
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The story in Pulp Fiction pretty much is the story of a man
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becoming a biblical prophet.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's true.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, he's saved from certain death.
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SPEAKER_02: It's a religious awakening.
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SPEAKER_02: And then he's like, I'm going to go into the world and, you know.
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SPEAKER_02: Walk the earth.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, walk the earth and put me wherever God wants me.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like.
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yeah okay you might as well just do that it's not like anybody
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anything anybody
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tells you is gonna land you in a better place just follow you
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right yeah i said i
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said you know i put the diner scene from there and i was like
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it's here's here's
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the words of vincent the prophet i'm sorry jules the prophet
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and vincent the
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doubter everybody who's had that you know christian upbringing
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is like that's
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SPEAKER_02: pretty funny
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I feel so lucky that I did not have to experience that trauma
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in my life.
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SPEAKER_03: Just to be honest,
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SPEAKER_03: at this point,
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there's so many more stories of religious trauma than there are
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of religious
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SPEAKER_03: success and religious positivity.
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I know there are some really great folks out there who are
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positive success models
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SPEAKER_03: and stories of what personal faith can be.
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Like Qasem Rashid is a great example of what personal faith can
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look like.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: how to model personal values and faith from his religious system.
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SPEAKER_03: But he's not pressing it on others,
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SPEAKER_03: but for the majority,
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SPEAKER_03: all the stories are like,
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SPEAKER_03: I am so traumatized.
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SPEAKER_03: I can't believe it abused.
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SPEAKER_03: I came out of it assaulted.
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SPEAKER_03: I came out of it.
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SPEAKER_03: All of these different things that are super negative and brainwashing.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm so thankful that the synagogue that I went to when I was a kid,
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SPEAKER_03: the year after my grandfather
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died he wasn't part of the synagogue we were which meant they
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knew he died because
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they talked to each other synagogues talked to each other and
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they knew he died we
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were remember the first the next time they contacted my mom was
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to ask for a
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donation to the synagogue and she was like no thanks we're done
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um and that was
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SPEAKER_03: basically the end of organized religion in our fit in our household
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SPEAKER_03: Because my mom was like, you obviously don't care about us as people.
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SPEAKER_03: You care about the money that we could give you.
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SPEAKER_03: And that's not where we want to go.
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SPEAKER_03: And my parents never forced religion on me from that point.
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SPEAKER_03: I don't think they would have ever forced it on me anyway.
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SPEAKER_03: But like,
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SPEAKER_03: I'm so thankful I don't have that fucking drama in my life.
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SPEAKER_03: Because now we're all being abused by religion.
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SPEAKER_03: And we should talk about how shitty that is.
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SPEAKER_03: And we can talk about some of the men who are here.
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SPEAKER_00: My parents posed it to me like a question.
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SPEAKER_00: Or like a choice.
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SPEAKER_03: It should be a choice.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh-oh.
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SPEAKER_00: Shit.
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SPEAKER_00: I think my internet's like going in and out.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they were like- I think you need your mic closer.
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SPEAKER_00: You're kind of quiet.
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SPEAKER_00: Because I asked them about it.
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SPEAKER_00: Because it was kind of like at that age.
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SPEAKER_00: It was probably like what?
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SPEAKER_00: There you go.
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SPEAKER_00: Preschool when,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: like you start to hear,
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SPEAKER_00: you start to hear from friends like,
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SPEAKER_00: oh,
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SPEAKER_00: I went to church and this and that.
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SPEAKER_00: And like,
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SPEAKER_00: I asked my parents about it and they were like,
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SPEAKER_00: well,
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SPEAKER_00: wouldn't you just want to watch cartoons on Sunday instead?
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SPEAKER_00: And kind of like.
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i don't know it just kind of clicked and i was like yeah why
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would i want to go do
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that and then like the first real church experience because i
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never grew up with it
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or anything or grew up like there were i had friends who went
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to youth group and i
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kind of got the like this isn't my thing and i went to it was
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like every sunday in
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basic training because you know like you either get the choice
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like you can go to
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church or you have to stay and clean the barracks or something
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oh yeah and i was
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SPEAKER_00: like that i'm going to church dude clean
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dude i became catholic in the air i i evan i became catholic i
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was just like nuts
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like i was a jedi when i was in the army nice that was my
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actual preferred religion
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um was jedi um because there is an established jedi church um
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or temple um nice and
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SPEAKER_03: they have to honor it um good
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SPEAKER_03: And I think there's also an established Sith temple, too.
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SPEAKER_03: I think they're based out of New Zealand, which is whatever.
17:58
SPEAKER_03: Like, hey, y'all, good for you.
18:01
SPEAKER_03: But I did it because it was just funny.
18:04
SPEAKER_03: And I figured I made sure my dog tags were correct.
18:06
SPEAKER_00: That's always kind of a nice, good little fuck you to the government.
18:10
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was.
18:13
SPEAKER_03: I got my dog tags corrected,
18:14
SPEAKER_03: though,
18:15
SPEAKER_03: before I went and got deployed so that they actually had,
18:18
SPEAKER_03: like,
18:19
SPEAKER_03: atheist on there because I was like,
18:20
I am not going to have them bury me under a cross if I die
18:25
because somebody assumes
18:26
SPEAKER_03: I'm Christian.
18:27
SPEAKER_03: Because that's what they would do.
18:29
SPEAKER_03: And I was like, no thanks.
18:32
SPEAKER_03: I'm going to put it so that they don't.
18:34
SPEAKER_01: They make your death all about promoting their religion.
18:36
SPEAKER_01: That kind of irritates me.
18:37
SPEAKER_01: I do want to say,
18:38
SPEAKER_01: though,
18:38
SPEAKER_01: we were talking about before with our kids and being proud of our kids.
18:41
And so much of religion is just it's this idea of you're not
18:44
going to be rewarded for anything.
18:46
SPEAKER_01: The best you can do is not be punished that day.
18:49
SPEAKER_01: And that's really the default in our society.
18:51
SPEAKER_01: And like I was thinking about this when I was reading today.
18:53
SPEAKER_01: It's like my whole thing is at night,
18:55
SPEAKER_01: you know,
18:55
SPEAKER_01: I'll read a story and it's about celebrating what my kids did that day.
18:58
SPEAKER_01: Like so many parents are just afraid to say you did good.
19:01
like these are the things and that actually encourages more
19:03
good behavior and this
19:05
is like the psychological shift that we have to have in our
19:07
whole society where
19:08
it's not just like you did good you're not punished it's you
19:11
did good you're
19:12
rewarded i mean that's as simple as you can say it and america
19:15
is all just about
19:16
punishing people all the time and like the best you can do is
19:19
not be punished and
19:20
that's the most we can hope for that's just yeah religion has a
19:24
lot to do with it
19:25
SPEAKER_02: you know what's funny man is like
19:27
SPEAKER_02: So I was,
19:28
SPEAKER_02: I remember when I was in aviation and we had this thing,
19:34
SPEAKER_02: uh,
19:35
SPEAKER_02: in our company called above and beyond.
19:36
SPEAKER_02: And what it was,
19:37
was an on the spot award you could give out to an employee and
19:41
it would put them in
19:42
SPEAKER_02: for a drawing and,
19:42
SPEAKER_02: you know,
19:44
SPEAKER_02: and the thing is,
19:46
SPEAKER_02: I quickly realized to your point,
19:48
SPEAKER_02: Walter,
19:49
SPEAKER_02: like this was an effective management tool and I would hand them out.
19:55
SPEAKER_02: I got pulled into the office and said, Hey,
19:58
we noticed you're giving out a lot of above and beyonds and i
20:00
was like yeah and
20:02
they said um we feel like you're trying to curry favor or buy
20:05
the loyalty of
20:06
employees and the thing was like they said well this is
20:11
technically not going above
20:12
and beyond i was like i give it out for a good job like if they
20:15
do a good job or
20:16
they you know they take a little initiative you know well you
20:20
know we just have
20:20
different standards and i'd straight up asked him i said how
20:23
when was the last time
20:24
SPEAKER_02: you guys gave out an above and beyond
20:27
SPEAKER_02: Well, I haven't seen anybody earn it.
20:29
SPEAKER_02: And that's it, to your point.
20:30
SPEAKER_02: It's like, the reward is, and you get this from, well, we pay you.
20:37
You don't need to have a,
20:38
you don't need to hear a good way that you do good.
20:40
SPEAKER_02: Because you're getting paid.
20:41
SPEAKER_02: Fuck you.
20:43
SPEAKER_01: Employers get so mad when it's like Friday,
20:45
SPEAKER_01: because I used to be like,
20:46
SPEAKER_01: yep,
20:46
SPEAKER_01: it's time to pay the bill.
20:48
SPEAKER_01: This business owes me a bill.
20:49
SPEAKER_01: They gotta pay it.
20:50
SPEAKER_01: And they would get so pissed about, you know, saying things like this.
20:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
20:55
SPEAKER_02: I remember, man, like,
20:58
SPEAKER_02: One of my bosses,
20:59
SPEAKER_02: when I was,
20:59
SPEAKER_02: again,
21:00
SPEAKER_02: in aviation,
21:00
SPEAKER_02: he was telling me,
21:01
SPEAKER_02: and this is why I had such a problem with it at the time,
21:04
SPEAKER_02: is he says,
21:05
SPEAKER_02: you should be grateful that you have a job.
21:08
SPEAKER_02: And I said, yeah.
21:10
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I am to a point.
21:11
SPEAKER_02: I said, but here's the thing.
21:15
This company should be grateful that I can do the job as well
21:17
as I do,
21:18
and they only pay me.
21:20
Because let's be real,
21:22
this relationship is not – you're not giving me charity,
21:25
right?
21:26
SPEAKER_02: Gratitude comes from –
21:28
SPEAKER_02: you know, charity or somebody helping me or compassion.
21:31
SPEAKER_02: You are literally, we, I'm literally selling my labor to you.
21:34
SPEAKER_02: You're paying me what, not what you think is fair, what I had to accept.
21:40
And if you say you should be thankful,
21:42
I'm not working for one of your competitors.
21:44
SPEAKER_01: Cause I fucking buried this company then and get mad again.
21:48
SPEAKER_01: It's like, come to think of it.
21:50
SPEAKER_01: I think 20% of both what I've heard and sounds good right about now.
21:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:54
SPEAKER_03: Well,
21:55
SPEAKER_03: and the worst part about that,
21:56
SPEAKER_03: too,
21:56
SPEAKER_03: like we joke about that part,
21:58
but there's so many times now when you have to sign a contract
22:03
with a non-compete
22:04
SPEAKER_03: agreement for anything in your field,
22:08
SPEAKER_03: basically.
22:08
SPEAKER_03: So they force you to work for their company,
22:11
but they don't give you any of the benefits that they used to
22:14
get that companies
22:15
SPEAKER_03: used to give when you work for them for 20 fucking years.
22:18
SPEAKER_03: There's no pensions.
22:18
SPEAKER_03: There's no guaranteed health cares that like health care.
22:23
SPEAKER_03: Yeah,
22:23
SPEAKER_03: is I mean,
22:24
SPEAKER_03: kind of guaranteed because it has to be,
22:26
SPEAKER_03: but it's always the shittiest fucking form of health care.
22:29
They at their anti-union,
22:31
like all of the benefits that we used to get your paychecks.
22:34
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
22:35
And even unions don't even do as much anymore because so many
22:38
of the unions have
22:38
been corrupted and don't want to fight for the labor rights
22:43
that laborers deserve.
22:45
SPEAKER_03: Like,
22:46
you can look at the story that came out the other day about
22:48
Amazon and the
22:49
SPEAKER_03: warehouse worker that died and on the floor and
22:55
people around them were told to keep working keep doing your
22:57
job just keep working
22:59
don't even look my response to it to that was that was the
23:03
untold secret at amazon
23:05
when you were in the corporate side for when i worked there as
23:08
a software engineer
23:09
the untold secret was that warehouse workers are treated like
23:14
shit they're near to
23:17
slaves if there was anything that could be considered that on a
23:20
floor like
23:23
and we were told to ignore that and i really was uncomfortable
23:26
with that dude i had
23:28
um you know so when i was in aviation i i worked multiple
23:34
aircraft damages like i
23:36
couldn't tell you how many right i'm so many like you know like
23:40
a bird striker or
23:42
you know tug a piece of equipment run into it whatever right so
23:45
many do you want
23:46
SPEAKER_02: another one i remember it wasn't it was one that i wasn't even on
23:50
you know why i remember it because the employees told it to me
23:53
over and over again
23:54
and it was before i got to a hub certain one and an aircraft a
24:01
damage happened and
24:02
an employee like an employee was injured like you know it was
24:07
it wasn't his fault
24:08
something happened the station manager came over the radio when
24:12
he said hey you
24:12
know we've had an accident first words out of his mouth were is
24:17
the plane okay god
24:20
SPEAKER_02: yeah
24:21
SPEAKER_02: And I'll tell you what,
24:22
SPEAKER_02: that happened years,
24:24
SPEAKER_02: a couple of years before I got there,
24:25
SPEAKER_02: they still talked about it.
24:29
SPEAKER_02: Still.
24:30
Because,
24:31
I mean,
24:32
I've been,
24:35
I've had three coworkers die of heart attacks on the ramp.
24:39
SPEAKER_02: You know, I wasn't in the vicinity, but like it was on my shift.
24:42
SPEAKER_02: One literally like was a colleague.
24:45
SPEAKER_02: I was talking to him.
24:47
SPEAKER_02: I said to him, Hey man, you don't look well.
24:48
SPEAKER_02: And he's like,
24:48
SPEAKER_02: oh yeah,
24:49
SPEAKER_02: I'm just a little under the weather,
24:50
SPEAKER_02: you know,
24:50
SPEAKER_02: schedule change,
24:51
SPEAKER_02: blah,
24:51
SPEAKER_02: blah,
24:51
SPEAKER_02: blah.
24:52
SPEAKER_02: I said, well, you know, try to feel better.
24:53
SPEAKER_02: I was finishing up a report.
24:55
SPEAKER_02: He left the office,
24:56
SPEAKER_02: walked out the door,
24:57
SPEAKER_02: literally a hundred feet away,
24:58
SPEAKER_02: had a massive,
24:59
SPEAKER_02: like just died on the ramp,
25:00
SPEAKER_02: had a massive heart attack.
25:02
I heard the commotion and rushed out and he was being given CPR
25:05
by the time I got there.
25:07
SPEAKER_02: So that warehouse,
25:09
SPEAKER_02: I mean,
25:09
SPEAKER_02: yeah,
25:09
SPEAKER_02: I've seen,
25:10
SPEAKER_02: dude,
25:10
SPEAKER_02: I've,
25:11
SPEAKER_02: I've,
25:12
SPEAKER_02: I've worked in places where terminals are named after employees.
25:16
because they've died on the ramp you know and this yeah
25:22
corporate they can be just
25:25
as freaking like oh keep working you know the crazy thing is
25:33
they they denied this
25:34
guy cpr there were people that were cpr trained said let me
25:37
help them they're like
25:38
no we gotta wait for that should be held liable yeah that
25:42
wouldn't that wouldn't
25:43
SPEAKER_02: happen in aviation
25:46
SPEAKER_02: Because again, it was a union environment.
25:52
SPEAKER_02: No.
25:53
SPEAKER_02: God keels over.
25:56
SPEAKER_02: They offer CPR classes.
25:59
SPEAKER_02: Why?
25:59
SPEAKER_02: Because it's part of the union contract.
26:02
SPEAKER_01: It's mandated.
26:05
SPEAKER_02: That's what a union can get you.
26:08
SPEAKER_03: Also, you shouldn't have to work hard enough or so hard that you die at
26:15
fucking work you die at work like you shouldn't have to be
26:19
working so hard that you
26:21
just die at work that's late stage that's like yeah slavery
26:27
that's late stage
26:27
capitalism like we're expected to labor until we die like
26:33
that's that's what they
26:34
want that's what the technocrats want the book series that i'm
26:37
reading or listening
26:39
SPEAKER_03: to the red rising series is literally about that
26:43
SPEAKER_03: If you're a low red,
26:44
SPEAKER_03: you are a slave in a mine and you work until you die,
26:49
SPEAKER_03: which is probably like 20,
26:51
SPEAKER_03: 25 years,
26:52
SPEAKER_03: 30,
26:52
SPEAKER_03: if you're lucky.
26:56
SPEAKER_03: Others, you're lucky to live to 40, maybe.
27:01
SPEAKER_03: The treatment of different classes, that's what they want.
27:07
SPEAKER_03: Nobody's talking about the fact that the national labor relation
27:11
board is basically non-existent and the labor department wants
27:15
to gut um right like
27:19
labor rights in this country and it's been backed by major
27:23
groups including amazon
27:26
and i believe whole foods um yeah was part of it too like they
27:32
want to bust the
27:33
entirety of any labor rights that means weekends that means
27:37
nine to five instead of
27:39
SPEAKER_03: six to ten
27:41
like 6 a.m to 10 p.m yeah we got to fight back i mean these are
27:46
the things though
27:47
too we have to remember this fight is constant it's ongoing
27:50
these these interviews
27:51
i've been doing all these candidates are telling me hard it is
27:54
to just get on the
27:55
ballot because like the democratic party makes it impossible
27:58
for people to even run
27:59
SPEAKER_01: and so it's just like that stuff just
28:01
it's these little things that they do they're constantly
28:04
eroding our ability you
28:05
know it's like oh we need you to get 5 000 signatures on this
28:08
uniform piece of
28:09
paper each paper can only have 20 signatures you need to have
28:12
somebody witness it
28:13
you have to have it notarized you have to brought it in so
28:15
they're just looking for
28:16
these reasons to kick people off the ballots we're making it so
28:19
hard and it's just
28:20
SPEAKER_01: like whether it's running for office whether it's your your your union
28:25
SPEAKER_01: Anything that's a good idea, they're going to try to erode.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: And then we have people that are just like,
28:30
SPEAKER_01: well,
28:30
SPEAKER_01: you know,
28:30
we just can't have a government like resolve to think we can't
28:33
have good things
28:34
SPEAKER_01: working for us.
28:34
SPEAKER_01: We just have to understand and call it out.
28:37
SPEAKER_01: These little transgressions add up over time.
28:39
SPEAKER_01: The constant transgression.
28:40
where they erode our unions and they erode our vote and they
28:43
erode our political
28:44
SPEAKER_01: system,
28:45
SPEAKER_01: they erode our protections.
28:47
SPEAKER_01: We constantly have to fight back against those things.
28:49
We're at the point now where they tell us,
28:51
oh,
28:51
you're asking for too much.
28:52
SPEAKER_01: You already have so much.
28:54
SPEAKER_01: You've already gained so much.
28:55
SPEAKER_01: You're just being greedy by asking for more at this point.
28:58
SPEAKER_01: We have to push back against that, too.
29:00
SPEAKER_02: Here's the funny thing about that, dude, is like,
29:03
why is it greedy for us yeah but people that have the most in
29:07
our society them
29:08
getting more tax breaks it's just that's okay i was saying we
29:12
tell young men you
29:13
have to go and die for to protect the country it's a draft we
29:17
never have a money
29:18
SPEAKER_01: draft to defend the national debt
29:21
We wouldn't even think to ask a millionaire to give a couple
29:23
bucks to fix the national debt.
29:25
SPEAKER_01: We will ask a young man or young woman to go and die.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: We'll ask a mother to give up their children to go and die.
29:32
SPEAKER_01: And we never even think to ask for money from the wealthy class.
29:35
SPEAKER_01: We should be drafting them.
29:36
SPEAKER_01: They claim to be the best people, right?
29:39
SPEAKER_02: There was a political party in the U.S.
29:43
SPEAKER_02: a couple centuries ago,
29:44
SPEAKER_02: and they said that the government has a right to
29:48
SPEAKER_02: to ask for 99% of income if it's in dire emergency.
29:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
29:55
That was the Republican Party when they instituted the income
29:58
tax in the Civil War.
30:00
SPEAKER_02: Nice.
30:01
SPEAKER_02: There you go.
30:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:03
SPEAKER_02: So, okay.
30:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:05
SPEAKER_02: You want to go back?
30:07
You guys want to talk about how,
30:08
well,
30:09
we defended freedom and we freed black people.
30:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's go back to that Republican Party.
30:14
SPEAKER_02: I'm down for that.
30:15
SPEAKER_02: Let's do it.
30:17
SPEAKER_02: The progressive one.
30:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we'll go back to that one.
30:19
SPEAKER_02: That's cool.
30:20
SPEAKER_02: You want to have a 90% tax on the wealthy to pay for our debts?
30:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sure.
30:25
SPEAKER_02: Our war debts?
30:26
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
30:27
SPEAKER_02: I'm down.
30:28
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
30:29
SPEAKER_03: Pay it all off, guys.
30:30
SPEAKER_03: You owe it to us.
30:31
SPEAKER_03: It's our money.
30:33
SPEAKER_03: I said it this morning, too.
30:35
There should be no money set aside for a sexual assaulter's
30:38
defense fund in Congress at all.
30:42
SPEAKER_03: If you're an assaulter,
30:43
SPEAKER_03: if you're accused of assault,
30:45
SPEAKER_03: there's a slush fund in Congress for sexual assault
30:48
SPEAKER_03: assaulters to be able to defend themselves.
30:52
SPEAKER_03: Not those who are assaulted, but the assaulters.
30:57
SPEAKER_03: Why are our taxpayer dollars being used for that shit?
31:01
SPEAKER_03: And every person who has pulled from that fund, y'all owe us money.
31:06
SPEAKER_03: That should come back to all of us.
31:08
SPEAKER_02: With that, we need to remind women it's not all men.
31:11
SPEAKER_02: I think that's the way to fix it.
31:14
SPEAKER_02: Keep reminding women it's not all men.
31:17
SPEAKER_02: Oh, boy.
31:18
SPEAKER_01: We got to have a satire tag before you drop lines like that.
31:25
SPEAKER_03: It's true.
31:26
SPEAKER_00: Oh, man.
31:28
SPEAKER_00: I don't believe that.
31:29
SPEAKER_03: Evan, did you hear about this one?
31:31
SPEAKER_03: Because this is all fucked up.
31:35
SPEAKER_03: They outed an online rape training.
31:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was on motherless.com.
31:44
like that that's the website that it was on there's like women
31:48
all over threads
31:49
right now they're trying to like call for the website data to
31:54
be released for them
31:57
to name names and everything they've already got like the owner
32:00
of the website and
32:01
everything out there i think his name's like jake lang or
32:04
something he was
32:05
convicted of something in the past i don't know if it had to do
32:08
with the website or
32:08
SPEAKER_03: not but they were on their
32:12
i i didn't get through the whole story the majority of the
32:16
majority of the part
32:17
that i got into and read was it was one man that was like the
32:25
focus of the story
32:26
but it was like this chat room with over 2 000 like husbands
32:31
grown men whatever and
32:32
i thought it was like millions on no it was it was 20 it was 20
32:36
000 users and in
32:37
SPEAKER_02: february of this year alone it had 16.
32:40
SPEAKER_02: like
32:42
it was uh no it's 69 it was 69 visits 69 million visits 69
32:49
million visits yeah and
32:51
no but there was within the website there was a chat room that
32:55
they had like that
32:56
SPEAKER_00: they had created like a oh yeah yeah or something
32:59
yeah there was like 2 000 people within this chat and they were
33:03
sharing recipes on
33:04
like smoothies and what medicines to use and all this other to
33:09
knock their wives
33:10
out and rape them and everything while they were passed out
33:15
then there were people
33:17
that were taking that were taking videos of it posting them on
33:21
the website and like
33:22
SPEAKER_00: posting them all right chat and then
33:25
It got to the point this is where like I stopped reading
33:28
because one person the guy
33:31
SPEAKER_00: held a live stream while he was doing it.
33:35
And he had people pay him $20 each to like watch him do it to
33:41
his wife and he would
33:42
SPEAKER_00: do whatever like they asked him to do.
33:46
and they do this fucking thing called like an eye check where
33:50
like the people
33:51
watching like want the person to like lift the wife's like
33:55
eyelid up to like make
33:57
like prove that they're really asleep and stuff and they and
34:03
then they got into
34:04
there's a whole hashtag thing and a whole like on porn websites
34:10
there's like entire
34:12
SPEAKER_00: volumes and catalogs of this type of shit
34:16
And like all the women on threads are freaking the fuck out
34:20
because they're like,
34:22
SPEAKER_00: when we say like,
34:24
SPEAKER_00: we choose the bear or when we say like,
34:27
SPEAKER_00: it's all men,
34:28
SPEAKER_00: like this is what I fucking mean because you have to assume it's all men.
34:31
SPEAKER_00: Because like, if we're out in public in a situation and we know
34:36
SPEAKER_00: We know that other women are safe, like around us and everything.
34:41
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
34:42
SPEAKER_00: But they don't fucking know that.
34:43
SPEAKER_00: That's why they say it's all men,
34:45
SPEAKER_00: you know,
34:46
because you get into these fucking situations where these
34:49
things come to light and
34:50
SPEAKER_00: they feel hopeless.
34:52
SPEAKER_01: And nothing happens.
34:53
I mean,
34:53
there's no excuse right now for a bunch of people to just get
34:56
arrested this minute.
34:58
I mean,
34:59
and whether they,
35:00
we,
35:00
you know,
35:00
you're looking to the federal government.
35:01
SPEAKER_01: We know they're corrupt.
35:02
It's all Republicans,
35:04
but there are states,
35:05
there are democratic attorneys.
35:07
SPEAKER_01: Attorney generals.
35:08
SPEAKER_01: They should be doing this with the Epstein files too.
35:10
We can be making arrests for crimes that happen in these states
35:14
for whatever other
35:15
SPEAKER_01: crimes related.
35:16
SPEAKER_01: Just get these guys for something.
35:18
SPEAKER_01: Start hauling them in.
35:19
SPEAKER_01: But it's just going to go away.
35:20
SPEAKER_01: Like it always does.
35:21
SPEAKER_01: It just goes away.
35:22
SPEAKER_01: And then the Democrats are just as bad because they're just like,
35:25
SPEAKER_01: well,
35:25
SPEAKER_01: we don't have power right now.
35:27
SPEAKER_01: They got plenty of power to arrest some people right the fuck now.
35:30
SPEAKER_01: They better start fucking doing it.
35:32
SPEAKER_01: And then this is also why they never come and talk to us.
35:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:36
SPEAKER_00: And they have the fucked up thing about it is,
35:39
SPEAKER_00: is like,
35:40
SPEAKER_00: it comes out like this in the CNN story,
35:43
SPEAKER_00: which is mainstream media,
35:44
SPEAKER_00: but it comes out as this big splash and this big expose and everything,
35:48
SPEAKER_00: but then they don't cover it on the fucking nightly nightly.
35:50
news section of it and it doesn't get any attention from the
35:53
people in Congress and
35:55
Democrats right now are on their heels where they're like oh I
35:59
swear to God I
35:59
promise we're not rapists and everything because Eric Swalwell
36:02
just got caught with
36:03
all that and they're gonna try to keep their distance from it
36:08
so nothing you can't
36:11
SPEAKER_02: say no swallow was an open secret
36:14
yeah they protected him they freaking knew you can't tell me
36:17
that adam shift didn't
36:19
fucking know or ruben gallego and all those people who are like
36:22
ruben gallego has
36:23
his own democracy doesn't ruben gallego have his own
36:26
allegations against him too
36:28
yeah they're investigating him and shit now because he was
36:31
using money he him and
36:33
swalwell were using campaign funds on a trip to like puerto
36:36
rico or something where
36:37
they were paying for hotel rooms and drinks for girls and shit
36:41
jesus christ yeah
36:44
SPEAKER_03: They all need to go.
36:46
SPEAKER_03: They just all need to go.
36:47
SPEAKER_03: All of them.
36:49
SPEAKER_03: Can we start?
36:50
SPEAKER_03: And I'm not,
36:51
SPEAKER_03: I am kind of sexist on this at the moment,
36:54
but is we need to start fresh with a new government power that
36:59
only has women.
37:01
SPEAKER_03: Men,
37:05
we have lost the right to be voted into office right now or the
37:08
privilege of being
37:10
in office and holding any office because we shouldn't lose the
37:13
right to it.
37:14
SPEAKER_03: We don't have the privilege to be there.
37:16
SPEAKER_03: We shouldn't be there right now.
37:19
SPEAKER_03: And every single man in office, and I do support men.
37:23
SPEAKER_03: There are some men that I support who are running for office,
37:26
and I'm not going to say they shouldn't run and that they
37:28
shouldn't get in.
37:29
SPEAKER_03: I'm just saying,
37:30
SPEAKER_03: the level of this fucking bullshit is so, so bad.
37:36
SPEAKER_03: Like this is an Ashley Madison website level fucking thing.
37:41
SPEAKER_03: They need to be leaking names.
37:43
This is how we all know how fucking gross the Duggars are
37:47
because somebody leaked
37:48
SPEAKER_03: information about Josh Duggar,
37:50
SPEAKER_03: which then got all that information out there about his pedophilia.
37:55
And now there's another Duggar brother in trouble because of
37:59
the same shit.
38:01
i i tell you man i i just you know you hear this stuff and half
38:08
the time i don't
38:09
even know what to say because it is just so it is it is it's
38:16
stupefying in the
38:18
level of horror horror that it is man and i'm and it honestly
38:24
evokes a visceral
38:25
SPEAKER_02: rage in me where it's just like
38:28
for those guys on that mother who like the guy who did the live
38:31
stream castration man like
38:36
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's got to be an arrest.
38:40
It's got to be some fucking thing has to happen because this is
38:42
the problem.
38:43
SPEAKER_01: The Democrats are like, oh, that's terrible.
38:45
SPEAKER_01: Arrest somebody.
38:46
SPEAKER_01: You can't sit there and say, that's not enough.
38:48
SPEAKER_01: And we have to be yelling at them.
38:49
SPEAKER_01: It's like, we've got to go track them down.
38:52
SPEAKER_01: We've got to go at their house if we have to and say,
38:54
SPEAKER_01: you guys got to arrest some fucking people.
38:57
SPEAKER_01: We can't have these men raping people.
38:59
SPEAKER_01: It can't be an open secret.
39:01
SPEAKER_01: Who knew about it?
39:02
SPEAKER_01: Who knew about it?
39:03
SPEAKER_01: If you knew about it, what the fuck?
39:04
SPEAKER_01: Why'd you stay quiet?
39:05
SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
39:06
SPEAKER_01: And it's going to be a bunch of men.
39:07
SPEAKER_01: We arrest all the men doing this shit and we'll,
39:10
SPEAKER_01: by default,
39:11
SPEAKER_01: have women in every position of power.
39:13
SPEAKER_01: How do you do that to your own wife?
39:15
SPEAKER_01: How do you...
39:16
They're patriarchal fucking conservative assholes who don't
39:20
view women as human beings.
39:22
And we continue to have decorum for their viewpoint when
39:25
they're absolutely loathsome.
39:27
I mean,
39:27
this viewpoint of thinking people that we have to start saying
39:30
that they are the enemy.
39:31
SPEAKER_01: They want to rape our children.
39:33
SPEAKER_01: You know, they rape their own people and their own family members.
39:36
SPEAKER_01: And so we need to oppose them.
39:38
And then our democratic establishment is like,
39:40
well,
39:41
you know,
39:41
we got to work with these people.
39:43
SPEAKER_01: No, hold them accountable for rape because they're guilty of it.
39:47
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and don't let them in to our own fucking party.
39:51
SPEAKER_01: I don't want them at schools.
39:52
SPEAKER_01: I don't want them around my kids.
39:53
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I don't want them around my kids.
39:55
SPEAKER_03: I don't want them around my government.
39:57
SPEAKER_03: I don't want them around handling how our taxes are used,
40:00
SPEAKER_03: who's going to be sent to fucking war,
40:03
SPEAKER_03: who's dropping bombs places,
40:05
SPEAKER_03: any of this shit.
40:06
SPEAKER_03: Because some of those rapists are the same who hold office.
40:12
SPEAKER_03: Nice.
40:13
SPEAKER_00: How many elected officials visited that website?
40:16
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I want to know which elected officials from state to Fed.
40:22
SPEAKER_03: Every single person.
40:23
SPEAKER_03: We need that list exposed.
40:26
SPEAKER_01: Hey, Ron.
40:27
SPEAKER_03: Hey, Ron.
40:28
You should steal that list and send it to everybody as a parody
40:31
video using Legos.
40:33
SPEAKER_03: It would be funny as shit.
40:36
SPEAKER_03: Go for it.
40:37
SPEAKER_03: Go for it.
40:38
SPEAKER_00: What I would ask people is white hat hackers.
40:45
SPEAKER_03: Somebody release it.
40:46
the patriarchy and shit going away and having like all female
40:50
elected officials is
40:52
remember when you were a little boy in like elementary school
40:56
who were the teachers
40:57
that always protected you who was your favorite teacher who was
41:00
the one that was
41:00
always the sweetest to you and made you feel the safest it was
41:04
always a fucking
41:05
woman it was almost always a woman and those are the people
41:10
that make you feel safe
41:11
and there's a reason for that you know what i mean there's a
41:13
reason that the
41:14
SPEAKER_00: majority of
41:17
men grow up with problems because they were abused by other men
41:20
or bullied by other
41:21
men or fucking treated like shit by other men imagine those
41:26
women who were
41:28
protecting you and everything imagine them being in government
41:31
positions to where
41:32
they could protect society yeah it's not that fucking hard to
41:36
envision it's not
41:38
SPEAKER_00: just give up control it's not a big deal dude
41:41
SPEAKER_01: Well, we have a path right now.
41:42
SPEAKER_01: Just talk to your wife and say, has anybody ever harassed you?
41:47
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, I will support you.
41:49
SPEAKER_01: Let's go down and file an HR complaint.
41:51
SPEAKER_01: You know, let's get this done.
41:52
And it's like,
41:53
and if you lose your job over it,
41:54
we'll get through that too.
41:56
But we just have to have this societal reckoning and it's men
41:59
supporting the women who have been
42:02
SPEAKER_01: assaulted because that's our job.
42:05
SPEAKER_01: Our job is that.
42:06
And pushing men who know about these things to come forward and
42:09
insist on accountability.
42:11
SPEAKER_01: You know, and it's like,
42:12
SPEAKER_01: Because we know, like everybody knows the stuff that's out there.
42:15
SPEAKER_01: Everybody talks about it.
42:16
SPEAKER_01: And they call it locker room talk.
42:18
SPEAKER_01: Nick, you've denounced locker room talk appropriately.
42:21
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, we've heard it.
42:22
SPEAKER_01: So it's like, no, goddammit.
42:23
SPEAKER_01: If these people are doing it, it has to be held accountable.
42:26
SPEAKER_01: We have to report it to their place of employment.
42:29
SPEAKER_01: And this is actually one of the best ways we can reclaim our society.
42:32
SPEAKER_01: Because all the rapists are in office right now.
42:35
SPEAKER_01: We can remove them this way through accountability.
42:38
SPEAKER_02: I'm just, I'm done now.
42:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
42:41
SPEAKER_02: I'm done defending men at this point.
42:43
SPEAKER_02: Like I'm, I'm, I'm over it.
42:45
SPEAKER_01: Like,
42:45
SPEAKER_02: and I'm,
42:45
SPEAKER_02: I mean,
42:46
SPEAKER_02: it's just,
42:46
SPEAKER_02: because the thing is we,
42:48
SPEAKER_02: what happens every damn time when one comes out is it's always,
42:53
SPEAKER_02: well,
42:53
SPEAKER_02: you know,
42:53
SPEAKER_02: there are women that have accused,
42:55
SPEAKER_02: have accused men falsely.
42:57
SPEAKER_02: Well, there's this and well, there's that.
42:59
SPEAKER_02: And here, but yeah, okay.
43:00
SPEAKER_02: It's like 2% or less.
43:02
SPEAKER_02: Right.
43:03
So if you were just going by the numbers because we're in,
43:07
cause we're in an emergency,
43:11
SPEAKER_02: What that's telling me is we should believe women 98% of the time.
43:16
SPEAKER_02: So why aren't we doing that?
43:18
SPEAKER_02: Why aren't we doing that?
43:21
SPEAKER_02: Because again,
43:22
SPEAKER_02: you've got a lot of these assholes that benefit from this,
43:26
SPEAKER_02: that benefit from this shield,
43:28
SPEAKER_02: that benefit from our complacency and us just kind of,
43:32
SPEAKER_02: oh,
43:32
SPEAKER_02: well,
43:32
SPEAKER_02: he's an asshole,
43:33
SPEAKER_02: so I'm not going to say anything or I'm not going to push.
43:35
SPEAKER_02: They are shielded by our inaction.
43:39
SPEAKER_02: Enough.
43:39
SPEAKER_02: No, I'm done.
43:40
SPEAKER_02: I'm done.
43:41
SPEAKER_01: It's got to be action.
43:42
SPEAKER_01: We have to have action.
43:43
SPEAKER_01: There has to be accountability now.
43:45
SPEAKER_02: I'm done.
43:45
SPEAKER_02: If you're a shit heel dude, no slack.
43:47
SPEAKER_02: You're not around me anymore.
43:50
SPEAKER_02: I'm not having anything to do with you.
43:52
SPEAKER_02: And I'm going to freaking drop dime on you.
43:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to make noise.
43:56
SPEAKER_03: No.
43:57
SPEAKER_02: No more.
43:59
SPEAKER_03: This is a quick statement for those.
44:03
SPEAKER_03: Oh, go ahead, Evan.
44:05
Oh,
44:06
let me...
44:06
Quick statement for those in Congress,
44:07
men in Congress on the Democratic side.
44:10
SPEAKER_03: Out all of the fucking predators on the Democratic side.
44:13
SPEAKER_03: All of them.
44:14
SPEAKER_03: All of them.
44:17
SPEAKER_03: Not because it would benefit the Democrats in the short term, at least.
44:22
SPEAKER_03: But guess what it would do?
44:24
It would show that you fucking listen and that you've listened
44:26
to what's going on
44:27
SPEAKER_03: and you're responding at minimum...
44:31
appropriate level of what should have happened years ago or
44:35
months ago or however long ago.
44:38
SPEAKER_03: But the easiest way to stop this,
44:40
SPEAKER_03: men who are Democrats in office right now,
44:44
SPEAKER_03: is go to the floor and say,
44:46
I would like to put on record every single member of the House
44:50
or Senate who has
44:52
used these funds to defend themselves against sexual assault
44:56
charges and out them.
44:59
Put it on congressional record because it's our money and we
45:01
deserve to know who in
45:03
SPEAKER_03: office is a rapist or alleged rapist and they should be removed.
45:09
SPEAKER_03: And then who cares if it hurts the Democratic Party in the short term?
45:13
Because we'll replace every single fucking one of them with a
45:15
better person.
45:17
SPEAKER_03: And it will help all of us because it's country over party.
45:21
SPEAKER_03: It's people over country.
45:23
SPEAKER_03: It will help all of us.
45:25
if we have people who aren't assaulting other people making
45:29
laws do you know how
45:31
many times i've had uh in my career um and i've worked with
45:35
hundreds of women how
45:37
many times i've had a sexual harassment or you know assault
45:40
plank can follow me
45:43
yeah zero zero do you know how many do you know how many guys
45:47
that i've worked with
45:48
that were my colleagues that either i knew about that did it or
45:51
had like hr
45:53
SPEAKER_02: complaints
45:54
Or I even supported women that made,
45:56
man,
45:57
I don't,
45:57
I can't hold up that many fingers.
45:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
46:00
And so the thing is like this notion,
46:02
like,
46:03
oh,
46:03
well,
46:03
you can't do this and blah,
46:04
blah.
46:04
SPEAKER_02: It's like,
46:06
SPEAKER_02: I've mentored dozens of women at all levels,
46:09
SPEAKER_02: you know,
46:09
that wanted to become managers that wanted to become crew
46:12
chiefs that wanted to get
46:13
SPEAKER_02: better.
46:14
SPEAKER_02: You know,
46:15
SPEAKER_02: I wrote a piece where I've,
46:18
SPEAKER_02: I've dated women I've worked with,
46:20
SPEAKER_02: you know,
46:20
SPEAKER_02: it was consensual.
46:22
I've never,
46:22
you know,
46:23
I've never had a sexual harassment case filed against me.
46:27
SPEAKER_02: And that is because I've always acted like a professional,
46:33
SPEAKER_02: you know,
46:33
SPEAKER_02: and that's it is if you treat women like people and I say this all,
46:36
SPEAKER_02: I mean,
46:37
SPEAKER_02: and people think,
46:38
SPEAKER_02: oh,
46:38
SPEAKER_02: he's just being flippant.
46:39
SPEAKER_02: No,
46:39
the problem in this country is and I'm coming around to this
46:43
and I hear a lot of
46:44
SPEAKER_02: women say it is like we hate women.
46:46
SPEAKER_02: We don't treat them like people.
46:47
SPEAKER_02: We treat them like things like property, like things their own.
46:51
and that's why this crap goes on because you know that's the
46:55
thing if this had
46:57
happened to a man yeah oh my god signal it would have been over
47:01
it would have been
47:01
fixed in a day single the fire brigades like call up the
47:05
national guard it's an
47:07
emergency let's get there's a white man a white man with
47:11
connections right oh my
47:13
SPEAKER_02: god it would have been a travesty you know when it's women oh yeah yeah
47:21
We have to learn that we have to learn to treat women like
47:24
people and actually love
47:25
SPEAKER_02: and care for them like and not hate women.
47:28
SPEAKER_02: And that's the tall order we're fighting against, man.
47:31
Guys have to be willing to admit when they were wrong and not
47:36
try to like fucking
47:37
SPEAKER_00: sidestep these issues and everything,
47:39
SPEAKER_00: because I was going to ask you guys if you saw.
47:43
well it's both of them it's dave chapelle and joe rogan dave
47:46
chapelle came out and
47:47
SPEAKER_00: i guess made comments yesterday that the he feels like the right wing and
47:54
SPEAKER_00: republicans adopted his jokes on trans people to be bullies and it was
48:02
misinterpreted and then joe rogan he's come out and he said
48:06
stuff lately about um
48:11
the epstein files and how they're protecting pedophiles and how
48:15
trump's doing it to
48:16
protect people like kind of they're both basically trying to
48:20
sidestep the issues
48:21
that they helped create societally like dave chappelle was the
48:25
one that he jumped
48:27
right in at the beginning of the culture war of trans people
48:30
and used it and
48:30
weaponized the story that he had about his friend and
48:33
everything and then now that
48:37
SPEAKER_00: like public sentiments starting to turn and everything.
48:40
SPEAKER_00: They're trying to backtrack and be like, oh, I didn't mean it like that.
48:43
SPEAKER_00: I didn't mean it like that.
48:44
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, motherfucker, you've been supporting it this whole time.
48:47
SPEAKER_00: You're riding the financial train of the right wing.
48:51
SPEAKER_00: And you were all good with it then.
48:53
SPEAKER_00: But now that you're starting to see that it's starting to affect things,
48:56
SPEAKER_00: now you want to back off of it.
48:58
SPEAKER_00: And it's a chicken shit move.
49:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
49:02
SPEAKER_01: There was a story I wanted to tell because it makes a big difference.
49:05
SPEAKER_01: It makes a big difference when you speak out.
49:07
SPEAKER_01: This is going to get me hot, this story, as I tell it.
49:10
SPEAKER_01: And so what happened was,
49:12
SPEAKER_01: this is a couple years back,
49:14
my daughter comes home and she'd been acting kind of like
49:17
something wasn't right
49:18
SPEAKER_01: for a couple days.
49:20
SPEAKER_01: And finally I was talking to her and I'm like, what is it?
49:21
SPEAKER_01: What is bothering you?
49:22
SPEAKER_01: And she said she finally admitted somebody spat on her in Spanish class.
49:27
SPEAKER_01: She got spat on.
49:29
SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like,
49:30
SPEAKER_01: the way that hits you when that kind of shit happens,
49:35
SPEAKER_01: at first you're just like,
49:37
I guess I would imagine it's like a bullet wound because you're
49:39
just like,
49:39
SPEAKER_01: there's no sensation at all for a minute.
49:41
And then there's just like this rage and you're trying to
49:44
figure out what happens.
49:45
SPEAKER_01: So it's like,
49:46
SPEAKER_01: okay,
49:47
SPEAKER_01: well,
49:47
SPEAKER_01: I went home and I,
49:48
SPEAKER_01: you know,
49:48
SPEAKER_01: I called up a lawyer and I'm like,
49:50
SPEAKER_01: well,
49:50
SPEAKER_01: this is aggravated assault because we're in a pandemic.
49:54
SPEAKER_01: So the mistake I made, though, was I called the resource officer.
49:57
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I want this kid arrested for assault.
50:01
SPEAKER_01: And so then they're like,
50:03
because I should have talked to one of the teachers because I
50:05
think they would have
50:05
SPEAKER_01: been more open to this,
50:06
SPEAKER_01: but I was so angry.
50:07
SPEAKER_01: So then they set up this meeting.
50:11
SPEAKER_01: He did his investigation.
50:12
SPEAKER_01: And they set up this meeting.
50:13
And I'm like,
50:14
it better be over the phone because I didn't trust myself to
50:18
keep my cool.
50:20
SPEAKER_01: And so I get on the phone, and it's this cop.
50:23
SPEAKER_01: And it's the vice principal.
50:26
And they just started in like,
50:28
well,
50:28
and he's talking like,
50:29
oh,
50:30
I'm your buddy.
50:30
SPEAKER_01: And he's saying all this stuff like this happened.
50:32
SPEAKER_01: And he's like, they didn't really see what happened.
50:34
And he attributed a bunch of lines to my daughter that weren't
50:37
things that my daughter says.
50:38
SPEAKER_01: And I can identify a line that's Richard Kipling.
50:41
SPEAKER_01: I know what my daughter sounds like.
50:43
SPEAKER_01: And so he was saying this bullshit.
50:44
SPEAKER_01: I'm starting to get a little angrier.
50:46
SPEAKER_01: And he tried to make it,
50:48
SPEAKER_01: you know,
50:48
SPEAKER_01: this cop like,
50:48
SPEAKER_01: we're just going to kind of brush this under the rug.
50:50
SPEAKER_01: This is just going to go away, you know.
50:52
SPEAKER_01: And he starts winding down like he's going to hang up.
50:54
SPEAKER_01: And I just said, you know what?
50:55
SPEAKER_01: You had your talk.
50:57
SPEAKER_01: Now it's my turn to have my talk, I said on the phone.
51:01
SPEAKER_01: And I said, this was like a year later.
51:05
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, a year ago?
51:08
I was with a search party that found the body of an 11-year-old
51:12
girl who had been
51:13
SPEAKER_01: raped and murdered in the fucking woods.
51:17
SPEAKER_01: I was there.
51:18
SPEAKER_01: I was on that scene.
51:19
SPEAKER_01: I said this to this fucking cop.
51:22
SPEAKER_01: And I said,
51:22
the reason little girls get raped and murdered is because some
51:26
other little
51:27
SPEAKER_01: shithead in a classroom spits on a girl and not a goddamn thing happens.
51:34
SPEAKER_01: And so that's not going to happen to my daughter.
51:37
SPEAKER_01: You're going to do something about this.
51:40
SPEAKER_01: And the next person you talked to was going to be my wife.
51:44
SPEAKER_01: And I let it go.
51:46
SPEAKER_01: And then they handled it.
51:48
And the next time I talked to them,
51:53
this guy is the coach of my daughter's cross-country team.
51:58
SPEAKER_01: And I go to pick her up after a meet.
52:02
SPEAKER_01: And he gives me the clipboard.
52:05
SPEAKER_01: When I signed my name, he would not make eye contact with me, this guy.
52:10
SPEAKER_01: He's taller than me.
52:13
SPEAKER_01: But he heard it.
52:15
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, go ahead and feel that rage, friends.
52:18
SPEAKER_01: Feel that rage.
52:19
SPEAKER_01: And I'm a compassionate person.
52:21
SPEAKER_01: I'm a loving father.
52:23
SPEAKER_01: But better not fuck with my kids.
52:26
SPEAKER_01: And I'm glad I never was in a room with, you know.
52:29
I think it was better for me to handle that by phone because I
52:32
don't trust myself
52:32
SPEAKER_01: when it comes to people.
52:34
infringing upon my kids i mean man it's it's yeah i appreciate
52:39
you sharing that
52:40
dude those are the kind of moments that draw the line for other
52:43
people and teach
52:44
them because they woke the up small thing but he's he's going
52:49
to realize that next
52:50
time it happens and he's going to think about the consequences
52:53
of it and what you
52:54
taught him about it you know so it's definitely and it's not
52:58
only an on-the-spot
52:59
SPEAKER_00: correction you
53:01
SPEAKER_00: fundamentally like change the way somebody views things.
53:04
SPEAKER_00: And that's why it's important to speak out.
53:07
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
53:08
SPEAKER_01: And when my wife called them and she's,
53:10
SPEAKER_01: she's the one who's going to hit harder than me to be absolutely honest,
53:13
SPEAKER_01: but they,
53:13
SPEAKER_01: they rolled out the red carpet for her.
53:15
SPEAKER_01: That kid got removed from the classroom.
53:17
SPEAKER_01: It got handled,
53:18
SPEAKER_01: you know,
53:20
SPEAKER_01: and it's just sort of like,
53:21
SPEAKER_01: okay,
53:21
SPEAKER_01: you got to get this shit done,
53:22
SPEAKER_01: but they do.
53:23
SPEAKER_01: They try to push you.
53:24
SPEAKER_01: They try to push you into just pretending it didn't happen.
53:27
And that frustration lingers and you have power to change it
53:29
and stop this.
53:30
SPEAKER_02: the one thing I've,
53:31
SPEAKER_02: I've,
53:32
I've noticed like with folks is people don't want to have these
53:38
uncomfortable and
53:39
SPEAKER_02: hard conversations and a lot of systems that are set up,
53:42
SPEAKER_02: whether it's corporate,
53:43
SPEAKER_02: the military government,
53:45
SPEAKER_02: whatever,
53:46
SPEAKER_02: right.
53:46
SPEAKER_02: School boards, you name it.
53:49
They're set up to blunt the hard thing,
53:52
the blunt,
53:53
the change and address those in a quad.
53:55
SPEAKER_02: It's the same thing of like,
53:57
You know,
53:57
you talk about progressive candidates getting on the ballot and
54:00
even local.
54:01
They make you jump through all these hoops because people would
54:04
rather just because it's hard.
54:06
SPEAKER_02: They'd rather ignore it.
54:07
SPEAKER_02: Right.
54:08
SPEAKER_02: And everyone I've been through that,
54:10
SPEAKER_02: man,
54:11
I'm guilty of that where it's like some asshole near you says a
54:15
racist comment or,
54:16
SPEAKER_02: you know,
54:16
SPEAKER_02: or says a sexist thing or does something and you're just tired.
54:20
SPEAKER_02: You know, you're like, man, I don't want to deal with that.
54:22
SPEAKER_02: I don't want I don't want to address this.
54:24
SPEAKER_02: I don't want to do that.
54:25
SPEAKER_02: Or you're like,
54:28
SPEAKER_02: okay,
54:29
SPEAKER_02: yeah,
54:30
SPEAKER_02: maybe they were being a little bit of this,
54:32
SPEAKER_02: but do you really want to push it?
54:35
SPEAKER_02: The thing is you have to because you don't change things.
54:42
SPEAKER_01: You got to have those hard comments.
54:44
SPEAKER_01: They keep taking and they escalate.
54:46
SPEAKER_01: They will escalate.
54:47
SPEAKER_01: You get it in the early stage before they have a chance to rape.
54:51
SPEAKER_02: Because unfortunately, because of the patriarchy,
54:54
we have the luxury of being,
54:56
of being enraged because it's expected of us,
54:59
right?
55:00
SPEAKER_02: We can get enraged and pitch a fit and,
55:04
SPEAKER_02: and,
55:04
SPEAKER_02: you know,
55:04
SPEAKER_02: like,
55:04
SPEAKER_02: so I'm gonna kill this dude,
55:05
SPEAKER_02: blah,
55:05
SPEAKER_02: blah,
55:06
SPEAKER_02: blah.
55:06
SPEAKER_02: Women don't have that luxury.
55:07
SPEAKER_02: They don't have that privilege.
55:09
SPEAKER_02: They can't,
55:10
SPEAKER_02: they,
55:10
SPEAKER_02: they have to suffer harm that I can't even imagine,
55:15
SPEAKER_02: like imagine and have to just go along to get along.
55:20
SPEAKER_01: my daughter's soccer coach just asked me to be at practice.
55:23
SPEAKER_01: It's like, I don't know about soccer.
55:24
SPEAKER_01: She's like, I just want you to be there and back me up.
55:26
SPEAKER_01: You don't even have to say anything.
55:28
SPEAKER_01: And so I would just, she was doing soccer.
55:29
SPEAKER_01: The boys would get out of hand.
55:30
SPEAKER_01: I just be like,
55:31
SPEAKER_01: you know,
55:32
SPEAKER_01: and it's like,
55:33
SPEAKER_01: that's how we,
55:33
SPEAKER_01: you know,
55:33
that's what you have to do that level of support and just be
55:35
that presence is like
55:36
SPEAKER_01: this bullshit.
55:37
SPEAKER_01: It will not be tolerated.
55:39
SPEAKER_01: And too many men just allow it to be tolerated.
55:41
SPEAKER_01: All you have to do is presence be like unacceptable.
55:44
SPEAKER_01: This is unacceptable.
55:46
SPEAKER_01: They straighten right out too.
55:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
55:49
SPEAKER_02: and you ain't got to,
55:51
SPEAKER_02: as to Walter's point,
55:52
SPEAKER_02: man,
55:52
SPEAKER_02: you don't have to be 6'5",
55:54
SPEAKER_02: big,
55:55
SPEAKER_02: and this and that.
55:56
Like,
55:57
that's the thing that kills me with Trump,
55:59
is like,
56:00
all these people are so weak.
56:02
SPEAKER_02: All they have to, you just have to stand up to them.
56:05
SPEAKER_01: And they will, they crumble, right?
56:08
I crushed a lot of these dudes just by,
56:10
I got a look that sends people scurrying away.
56:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I mean, it's,
56:16
SPEAKER_02: man.
56:17
SPEAKER_02: And it,
56:17
SPEAKER_02: you know,
56:18
SPEAKER_02: I mean,
56:18
SPEAKER_02: dude,
56:18
SPEAKER_02: I,
56:19
SPEAKER_02: I've worked in places where it's a room full of rampers,
56:22
SPEAKER_02: room full of guys,
56:23
SPEAKER_02: break room.
56:25
One place I worked at the flight attendants had to,
56:27
you know,
56:29
uh,
56:30
like walk through that area.
56:32
SPEAKER_02: Right.
56:32
SPEAKER_02: And every one of them had resting face.
56:34
Like they were like a fricking iron warrior going through,
56:37
because again,
56:38
they get cat called.
56:39
SPEAKER_02: Right.
56:40
SPEAKER_02: And I just, I, you know, if it was me, I came out the office and I said,
56:45
SPEAKER_02: I put on my Marine NCO voice.
56:47
SPEAKER_02: I was like, yo, knock that shit off.
56:49
SPEAKER_03: Nice.
56:51
SPEAKER_03: Here's a question, and this is more of a clarifying question.
56:54
SPEAKER_03: Is resting bitch face a positive term or a negative term?
57:01
SPEAKER_03: Because I don't use it...
57:05
SPEAKER_03: I also don't use, I, I try, I, I tend not to use words obviously.
57:10
SPEAKER_03: And I'm,
57:10
SPEAKER_03: I'm just,
57:11
SPEAKER_03: I'm,
57:12
SPEAKER_03: I'm curious for those in the audience too,
57:14
SPEAKER_03: while we're,
57:15
SPEAKER_03: while we're on this is what are your thoughts on that is like,
57:17
SPEAKER_03: what is the interpretation of that word of that phrase?
57:22
SPEAKER_03: And is it an appropriate or an, or like an unacceptable phrase?
57:26
SPEAKER_03: Because I don't want to be using phrases that fucking hurt my friends.
57:29
SPEAKER_03: Like I, when I talk about,
57:31
SPEAKER_03: Like,
57:32
SPEAKER_03: when I demean men,
57:33
I talk about men as penises or taints or a shit like that or
57:38
smegma or fucking the
57:40
SPEAKER_03: gross things that they are.
57:41
SPEAKER_03: Like, you're arresting big face.
57:45
SPEAKER_03: That's a great way to tell somebody that they suck.
57:48
SPEAKER_03: Or you look like a fucking wilting testicle.
57:51
I mean,
57:52
it's the way I...
57:54
You say that,
57:56
like,
57:56
I say RBF,
57:57
right,
57:57
is because...
57:59
SPEAKER_02: It's a shield.
57:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
58:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
58:00
SPEAKER_02: That's exactly what it is.
58:01
SPEAKER_02: Every woman knows.
58:03
SPEAKER_02: Cause I heard, I've heard them say it.
58:04
SPEAKER_02: Right.
58:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
58:06
SPEAKER_02: And so I'm sure for,
58:08
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure for some women it's offensive,
58:09
SPEAKER_02: but what I'm using it as is like a descriptor is it's that,
58:13
SPEAKER_02: that face that a woman puts up where it is just,
58:17
SPEAKER_02: it's like,
58:17
SPEAKER_02: it's like a porcupine with the,
58:19
SPEAKER_02: with the,
58:19
SPEAKER_02: the,
58:20
SPEAKER_02: the quills or whatever,
58:21
SPEAKER_02: just out.
58:21
SPEAKER_02: Right.
58:22
SPEAKER_01: It is, it is meant to be harassed.
58:25
SPEAKER_01: Right.
58:25
SPEAKER_02: And so they, they, and again, it's,
58:28
the the problem with it's it's the reason that women hate with
58:32
this smile more
58:33
right yeah because you know you should smile more and i've seen
58:38
it like because
58:39
again worked in aviation a lot of a lot of flight attendants
58:42
like that get hit on
58:44
SPEAKER_02: and harassed and blah blah blah and it's like
58:46
man i'm telling you it's like a freaking playbook when they
58:50
would come through that
58:51
break room go to the terminal they were they all walked the
58:54
same speed which they
58:55
put on their armor and they put on their armor man it's like
58:58
they and they and it
59:00
was just straight ahead you know and yeah i mean i had to
59:05
counsel guys who like one
59:07
guy had to i had to pull in the office finally it knocked it
59:10
off when i was around
59:11
SPEAKER_02: because he blocked the doorway on this one check
59:14
SPEAKER_02: You know, trying to do the whole put the hand there and get the number.
59:17
SPEAKER_02: And I was just like, yo, come here.
59:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
59:20
SPEAKER_02: I literally gave him the come here right now.
59:22
SPEAKER_02: Oh, they do.
59:24
SPEAKER_02: You know, and pull them into the office and shut the door.
59:28
SPEAKER_02: And I did.
59:28
SPEAKER_02: And I did that.
59:29
SPEAKER_02: So everybody sees it.
59:31
SPEAKER_02: You know, I was like, you can't be doing that, man.
59:34
SPEAKER_02: You can't be blocking their way.
59:35
SPEAKER_02: Wow, man.
59:36
SPEAKER_02: I was just I said, that's not flirting, big dog.
59:38
yeah that's harassment yeah you know so i don't want to see you
59:42
do that again you
59:43
do that again you're going to get your shop steward you copy
59:46
it's like all right
59:47
and you let it go those guys out fred no yeah but that's but i
59:50
mean and that's
59:51
that's that's what you got to do right but it's like i've seen
59:55
so many women with
59:57
that armor yeah and that's how they have to move through the
1:00:00
world man and like
1:00:01
SPEAKER_02: think about that like you know how how much is that on your psyche
1:00:07
SPEAKER_02: You know, where you constantly have to put that armor on.
1:00:09
SPEAKER_02: You constantly have to beware of the wolves, man.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_02: Like, damn.
1:00:14
SPEAKER_02: You know?
1:00:14
SPEAKER_02: And if there's a better term for that, please let me know.
1:00:17
SPEAKER_02: I think armor is a great term.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they got to, you know, it's like, I'll use that.
1:00:23
SPEAKER_02: But they put on that armor, man.
1:00:24
SPEAKER_02: They put on that war paint.
1:00:26
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
1:00:27
SPEAKER_02: And it's just...
1:00:29
SPEAKER_02: It's unfortunate.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_01: People can't just be themselves, you know?
1:00:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:00:34
SPEAKER_01: Because everybody in our... We always have to bow down to these...
1:00:37
patriarchal emotionally undeveloped just monsters like
1:00:43
everything everything that
1:00:44
makes them feel bad about themselves is off limits but they can
1:00:47
make the whole rest
1:00:48
of the world feel like shit all 100 of the time to the point
1:00:51
where they're allowed
1:00:52
to assault our kids this fucking bullshit you know it has it
1:00:55
has to be any i mean
1:00:57
SPEAKER_01: fred meant no disrespect that is a term that's out there i know when uh
1:01:01
I was talking about when I was interviewing Francesca Hong,
1:01:03
she used that term too.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I don't think that of you at all.
1:01:07
SPEAKER_01: I think you're beautiful.
1:01:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know what you mean, Fred.
1:01:11
SPEAKER_02: No, I love that Nick brought that up.
1:01:15
SPEAKER_02: Just remember when the vernacular back in the day was, oh, that's gay.
1:01:20
SPEAKER_02: That's gay.
1:01:20
SPEAKER_02: That's retarded.
1:01:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's important to be corrected.
1:01:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then apologies for anybody.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_02: But as an example for that,
1:01:28
i had to change my vocabulary i had to change my vernacular
1:01:31
yeah and that's part of
1:01:33
it man it's like if there's a better word for that you know and
1:01:37
uh you know so let
1:01:38
let's use it you know but it's it's man i mean it's that's why
1:01:44
i believe women
1:01:45
because i've worked with that's the one thing aviation gave me
1:01:48
man is it's a daily
1:01:49
SPEAKER_02: basis and you work with hundreds of people like i mean
1:01:54
SPEAKER_02: I,
1:01:54
SPEAKER_02: you know,
1:01:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm managing the managing area in Philadelphia,
1:01:58
SPEAKER_02: a hundred employees,
1:01:59
SPEAKER_02: minimum,
1:02:00
SPEAKER_02: minimum.
1:02:01
SPEAKER_02: And they're all on your shift on the air.
1:02:03
SPEAKER_02: And that's nothing like,
1:02:05
SPEAKER_02: so you are,
1:02:06
you're literally working with like a fricking company of people
1:02:09
every day that are
1:02:10
SPEAKER_02: fully engaged and active,
1:02:11
SPEAKER_02: not sitting around doing stuff.
1:02:14
SPEAKER_02: And that's in one area.
1:02:15
SPEAKER_02: You're literally have more than a thousand people on shift.
1:02:19
SPEAKER_02: Like it's a big operation.
1:02:21
SPEAKER_02: And so you get this,
1:02:24
Like,
1:02:24
man,
1:02:25
you were going to,
1:02:26
you want to talk about learning how to deal with people?
1:02:28
SPEAKER_02: You better learn quick or you ain't going to be good at that job.
1:02:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:02:32
SPEAKER_01: And at every level of our society,
1:02:33
we don't provide that education because we teach shitty
1:02:37
behavior all the way to
1:02:38
SPEAKER_01: preschool,
1:02:38
SPEAKER_01: you know?
1:02:39
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, that's the fundamental restructuring of our whole nation.
1:02:41
SPEAKER_01: That's important at this point.
1:02:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:02:43
SPEAKER_02: And hopefully that boy will take something,
1:02:45
SPEAKER_02: you know,
1:02:45
SPEAKER_02: it's like who spit on your daughter,
1:02:48
SPEAKER_02: you know,
1:02:48
SPEAKER_02: like hopefully he'll take something from that.
1:02:50
SPEAKER_02: Like, man, there's certain lines you didn't cross because again,
1:02:54
know some people might say oh you took it too far and he'll be
1:02:57
you know blah blah
1:02:58
it's okay but that's that you can't keep that you know look but
1:03:02
if you if you let
1:03:04
SPEAKER_02: that go you condone it oh yep you condone that behavior
1:03:10
SPEAKER_02: As men, we've condoned way too damn much.
1:03:15
SPEAKER_01: And look where we're at.
1:03:16
SPEAKER_01: Look where we're at.
1:03:17
SPEAKER_01: And my daughter had to sit with it and was like, was this an accidental?
1:03:20
SPEAKER_01: Was this just me being a slobbery weirdo?
1:03:22
SPEAKER_01: And she was kind of working it through.
1:03:24
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, no, that shit
1:03:25
can't happen and and it's just even that's that whole situation
1:03:28
is so important
1:03:29
it's like this happened and this this cop trying to tell me the
1:03:32
words that weren't
1:03:33
her words it's like i know my daughter's words she didn't use
1:03:36
those dumb ass words
1:03:37
you just used my my daughter uses the long words you know the
1:03:40
what the ones that
1:03:41
you get from reading books and i recognize when she speaks do
1:03:45
not attribute words
1:03:46
SPEAKER_01: that are your words to my daughter
1:03:50
SPEAKER_01: I had to get it out of me.
1:03:53
SPEAKER_01: But it was good.
1:03:54
SPEAKER_01: I let the rage come out.
1:03:55
SPEAKER_01: He saw it.
1:03:56
SPEAKER_03: It needs to be done.
1:03:58
SPEAKER_03: Or else they have impunity.
1:04:00
SPEAKER_03: If they're going to get away with it about spitting on a child,
1:04:04
SPEAKER_03: then they're not going to process the rape kit for the teenager.
1:04:09
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
1:04:10
SPEAKER_01: And they always try to make these excuses and pretend and all this stuff.
1:04:14
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, look.
1:04:16
SPEAKER_01: whatever led up to this moment caused trauma and he's guilty of that.
1:04:20
SPEAKER_01: It's like his intent is not my concern.
1:04:23
SPEAKER_01: My concern is what happened that spit got on her.
1:04:27
And I,
1:04:27
you know,
1:04:28
so it's like that has to be held account because we're in a
1:04:30
pandemic.
1:04:31
SPEAKER_01: That's fucking attempted murder, asshole.
1:04:33
SPEAKER_02: Well, it's like that one POS that
1:04:39
You know,
1:04:40
that swim guy at the college that violently raped that student
1:04:47
behind a dumpster.
1:04:49
Yeah,
1:04:50
behind a dumpster and was caught and stopped by two other
1:04:55
students caught him.
1:04:58
in the act and what was his sentence light as it could as it
1:05:01
could have been
1:05:02
because well you know he's a young man who made a mistake how
1:05:05
do you make how is
1:05:05
that no no no no that's not an indiscretion that's not a oopsie
1:05:10
poopsie that's you
1:05:11
it's behind a freaking dumpster man yeah the number of kids
1:05:17
that get raped by their
1:05:18
dad though like in the united states and that's the dirty
1:05:22
secret like the level to
1:05:23
SPEAKER_01: which that is
1:05:25
SPEAKER_01: swept under the rug.
1:05:26
SPEAKER_01: And it's just sort of like, these are the issues we have to address.
1:05:29
SPEAKER_01: And it's entirely patriarchal systems, white supremacy systems.
1:05:34
SPEAKER_01: We're not even allowed to talk about it.
1:05:36
SPEAKER_01: We're not allowed to teach the real history of the United States.
1:05:39
SPEAKER_01: We teach history like it's the redacted Epstein files, I would say.
1:05:42
SPEAKER_01: Half the people we revere in this country raped kids,
1:05:45
SPEAKER_01: like going all the way back to the first days.
1:05:47
SPEAKER_01: Thomas Jefferson raped Sally Hemings.
1:05:49
SPEAKER_01: She was maybe as young as 11 or 12.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is bullshit.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's like, yeah, we sweep that under the rug in our public schools.
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SPEAKER_01: The result is your kids are going to get raped.
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SPEAKER_01: That's what's going to happen.
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SPEAKER_01: We're in this rape culture now.
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SPEAKER_03: We have an entire church that is founded by a rapist.
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SPEAKER_03: We call it the Mormon Church or Jesus Christ Latter-day Saints.
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SPEAKER_03: LDS was founded by Joseph Smith, who was a rapist and adulterer and
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SPEAKER_03: Guys, I screwed everything up.
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SPEAKER_03: Everything is going super slow on my side.
1:06:41
SPEAKER_03: It was like, whoa, whoa.
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SPEAKER_03: I hit the up instead of down.
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SPEAKER_03: And sorry, y'all.
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SPEAKER_01: I just saw the thing that said your mic is muted.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, what?
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SPEAKER_01: What the hell?
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SPEAKER_01: You can't mute me.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm coming to get you.
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SPEAKER_03: I don't even remember what I was saying at this point.
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SPEAKER_03: But like, we just.
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SPEAKER_03: We have to call it out.
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SPEAKER_03: We have to just fucking be done with this shit.
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SPEAKER_01: I was fucking so mad.
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SPEAKER_01: That's my rage laugh.
1:07:13
SPEAKER_01: That gets them really scared.
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SPEAKER_01: When I start out just mad, and then when I start like, okay!
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SPEAKER_01: Let's get going!
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SPEAKER_01: Then people start running.
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SPEAKER_03: Evan, I bet your baby looks kind of similar.
1:07:28
SPEAKER_01: My dog ran upstairs.
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SPEAKER_01: He goes away when I start getting loud.
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SPEAKER_03: I was talking about Joseph Smith and the Mormon church.
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SPEAKER_03: I muted myself when I
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reminded everybody that they were founded by uh by a rapist and
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a child and a white
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stealer and he took children and he had many many wives and he
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was hung for fraud
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and um other things like he died because he was a fraudulent
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piece of and everyone
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hated him and now we have a church that yeah like black people
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until like 20 30
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SPEAKER_03: years ago or some
1:08:04
SPEAKER_02: I was in the 70s.
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SPEAKER_02: It was like 1973 or something like that.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, 20, 30 years ago.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, some of these religions.
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SPEAKER_03: It just happened like 20 years ago.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, then like Elrond Hubbard.
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Still within like very recent lifetime that they just
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recognized that black people were people.
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SPEAKER_03: Right.
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SPEAKER_03: And they deserve like the ability to go to heaven or some shit.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but Nick, you're missing a very vital point about that.
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SPEAKER_02: He's a man of God.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, and the genocide.
1:08:32
SPEAKER_02: And the genocide.
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SPEAKER_02: He's a man of God, so it makes it okay.
1:08:35
SPEAKER_01: Here it comes.
1:08:35
SPEAKER_01: Satire hashtag.
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SPEAKER_01: People are going to go.
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SPEAKER_01: Hashtag satire.
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SPEAKER_03: Joseph Smith.
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SPEAKER_03: Man of God.
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SPEAKER_03: Genocidal maniac.
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Women have only been allowed to get credit cards for like 51
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years,
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52 years.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's not.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's offensive.
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SPEAKER_01: It is.
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SPEAKER_03: All right.
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SPEAKER_03: We got to close our day out here, guys.
1:08:55
SPEAKER_03: We've been here for a little over an hour.
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SPEAKER_03: And Walter, you got something you got to go do.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm good.
1:09:00
SPEAKER_03: We're good.
1:09:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:09:01
SPEAKER_03: Let's close this out.
1:09:03
SPEAKER_03: Evan, I'm going to start with you if I can find your...
1:09:07
SPEAKER_03: I know mine's showing, but I'm going to start with you.
1:09:09
SPEAKER_03: Here you go, brother.
1:09:10
SPEAKER_03: Start with you, man.
1:09:12
SPEAKER_00: Subscribe to News From Underground.
1:09:14
SPEAKER_00: I do a lot of work on...
1:09:17
SPEAKER_00: Issues facing young men, policy, politics, all that stuff.
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One thing that I did want to mention is we talked about Brock
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Turner and I don't
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SPEAKER_00: want to give any highlights to rapists or anything,
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but I did want to point out that his victim who was originally
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known as Emily Doe
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SPEAKER_00: is now a writer and she came out with her own book.
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SPEAKER_00: I believe that she's on sub stack.
1:09:39
SPEAKER_00: I'm not positive, but her name is Chanel Miller.
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SPEAKER_00: Very accomplished author.
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SPEAKER_00: She
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SPEAKER_00: Does a lot of work with like speaking engagements and stuff like that.
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SPEAKER_00: So fuck Brock Turner,
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go look at Chanel Miller's work and everything support women
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support survivors and
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SPEAKER_00: victims.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's what I wanted to use my time for today.
1:09:59
SPEAKER_00: I love you guys.
1:10:00
SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much.
1:10:01
SPEAKER_00: It was a great day.
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SPEAKER_00: Support these guys as well.
1:10:04
SPEAKER_00: Thank you all for being here.
1:10:06
SPEAKER_00: I'll shut up now.
1:10:08
SPEAKER_03: Thanks brother.
1:10:08
SPEAKER_01: That was beautiful.
1:10:09
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_03: Thanks for highlighting that too.
1:10:12
SPEAKER_03: Of course.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was perfect.
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SPEAKER_03: Hopefully there does eventually be full justice in that situation.
1:10:21
SPEAKER_03: I don't know what would be justice to her,
1:10:24
SPEAKER_03: but there needs to be more than what the fuck happened.
1:10:29
SPEAKER_03: Because fuck people like him.
1:10:31
SPEAKER_03: Fuck him.
1:10:32
SPEAKER_03: Fuck people like him.
1:10:35
SPEAKER_03: Easy to say, isn't it, guys?
1:10:36
SPEAKER_03: Fred?
1:10:38
SPEAKER_02: How about you, brother?
1:10:39
SPEAKER_02: Not Frederick Pogue.
1:10:40
SPEAKER_02: Frederick Pogue.
1:10:41
SPEAKER_02: I like Mrs.
1:10:42
SPEAKER_02: The Middle-Aged Man.
1:10:42
SPEAKER_02: Frederick Pogue.
1:10:44
SPEAKER_02: And I have ballots composed about me.
1:10:47
SPEAKER_02: Pretty badass ballots, actually.
1:10:48
SPEAKER_02: It was.
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SPEAKER_02: That was fun.
1:10:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm an essayist on Substack.
1:10:53
SPEAKER_02: I write about politics, masculinity, whatever.
1:10:59
SPEAKER_02: Basically, anything that's injustice, I can't stand it.
1:11:02
SPEAKER_02: So that's about it.
1:11:05
SPEAKER_02: I feel the wrath of Frederick Pogue.
1:11:07
SPEAKER_03: Frederick Pogue.
1:11:09
SPEAKER_02: And this is Rocky.
1:11:11
SPEAKER_02: And you hear Biscuit, who's in the background.
1:11:13
This is our Jack Russell who can't stand it if he doesn't get
1:11:18
all the attention.
1:11:20
SPEAKER_02: Gotta get all the attention.
1:11:23
SPEAKER_03: Walter, you my brother?
1:11:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was a good one.
1:11:26
SPEAKER_01: I got all riled up.
1:11:27
SPEAKER_01: I'm glad we got to start with the Ballad of Frederick Pogue.
1:11:31
SPEAKER_01: So I'll post that on the replay.
1:11:36
SPEAKER_01: It's like Poe.
1:11:37
SPEAKER_01: It could be compared to Poe.
1:11:39
SPEAKER_01: Maybe not favorably, but it could
1:11:43
he was a way better writer than I am yeah but you know we got
1:11:48
you here we got I'm
1:11:48
gonna send this to you like a on a plaque you know with a
1:11:52
picture I drew of you on
1:11:53
the top so we're gonna that's gonna be on your wall yeah I
1:11:57
would put that on my
1:11:58
wall I hope so thank you so much that's a lovely comment Evan
1:12:03
thank you so much for
1:12:04
SPEAKER_01: that's beautiful and yeah I mean it's all about
1:12:07
I try to be a nice guy,
1:12:09
but just don't fuck with my daughters is basically my life
1:12:11
philosophy.
1:12:12
SPEAKER_01: And then it gets pretty ugly.
1:12:15
So I know I got good men at my back and they're actually there
1:12:23
for the sake of the
1:12:24
abuser because I'm not going to stop and they're going to
1:12:27
protect me from a life
1:12:28
SPEAKER_01: jail sentence by pulling me off.
1:12:30
SPEAKER_01: So
1:12:31
SPEAKER_01: And that's the attitude we need in the United States.
1:12:33
SPEAKER_01: I've had enough.
1:12:34
SPEAKER_01: I've had enough of child rapists telling us they're better than we are,
1:12:37
SPEAKER_01: that none of what we do is good enough.
1:12:38
SPEAKER_01: Fuck this.
1:12:40
SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, Polly.
1:12:40
SPEAKER_01: I'm not supposed to say the F word.
1:12:42
SPEAKER_01: I apologize.
1:12:43
SPEAKER_01: I got riled up again.
1:12:44
SPEAKER_01: Thank you all for your support.
1:12:45
SPEAKER_01: I'll leave it.
1:12:47
SPEAKER_03: It's hard not to.
1:12:48
SPEAKER_03: Thanks, sir.
1:12:49
It's hard not to swear for some of us who is ingrained in the
1:12:52
military and it's
1:12:53
SPEAKER_03: just lingo and it's not even a curse word.
1:12:55
SPEAKER_03: It's just one of the most versatile words in the English language.
1:12:58
SPEAKER_03: So it's easy to use.
1:13:00
SPEAKER_03: It has so many uses, so much utility.
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Like I just want to get over the idea of words that curse
1:13:06
things because they don't.
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um that's some puritanistic bullshit and uh screw those people
1:13:14
so come join sick of
1:13:15
this shit publications where we talk about shit like this this
1:13:18
is where masculinity
1:13:20
is well better humaning because men we suck but better humaning
1:13:25
is is the thing
1:13:26
that we're doing and that's why i wanted a group of men that i
1:13:29
could hang out with
1:13:30
more um and so we got the diogenes club we've got intelligent
1:13:35
masculinity we've got
1:13:37
SPEAKER_03: chronic illness discussions.
1:13:39
SPEAKER_03: And you'll see me on tonight with the disability community.
1:13:44
SPEAKER_03: I think I'll post the name for the or the link for it for everyone.
1:13:53
SPEAKER_03: But in a couple hours, you all will see me.
1:13:56
SPEAKER_03: doing a disability discussion um on the impact of war um and disabilities
1:14:01
specifically focusing on what's happening in iran and the
1:14:04
disabilities that are
1:14:05
going to come out of some of this um and the impacts that uh
1:14:09
people don't always
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talk about so if you enjoy that come be become a paid
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subscriber if you can free
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SPEAKER_03: subscribers really help too um
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But we'll be back here next week for another episode of the
1:14:20
Diogenes Club.
1:14:21
SPEAKER_03: Like we always are.
1:14:22
SPEAKER_03: Fred may be joining us more often.
1:14:24
SPEAKER_03: I'm going to poke at him to see if he wants to join us more often.
1:14:27
SPEAKER_01: The continuing adventures of Frederick Pogue.
1:14:29
SPEAKER_03: Frederick Pogue.
1:14:33
SPEAKER_02: You're going to see a lot of post-workout meals with taters.
1:14:37
SPEAKER_02: I love it.
1:14:38
SPEAKER_02: I read banned books.
1:14:40
SPEAKER_02: That shirt's awesome.
1:14:42
SPEAKER_03: I like it.
1:14:44
SPEAKER_03: I like it.
1:14:44
SPEAKER_03: I love this.
1:14:45
SPEAKER_03: All right, y'all.
1:14:46
SPEAKER_03: Thanks, everyone, in the chat.
1:14:47
SPEAKER_03: We'll make sure Fred gets tagged in the episode.
1:14:51
SPEAKER_03: And Evan, if he didn't accept the invite, we'll get tagged also.
1:14:55
SPEAKER_03: So we'll see you all here later.
1:14:56
SPEAKER_03: And thanks, everyone.
1:14:58
SPEAKER_03: Have a great week.
1:15:00
SPEAKER_03: And this has been the Diogenes Club.
1:15:02
SPEAKER_03: Later, y'all.
1:15:02
SPEAKER_03: Have a great day.
1:15:03
SPEAKER_03: Thanks, guys.
1:15:05
SPEAKER_01: All right.
1:15:05
SPEAKER_01: I got to head right out.
1:15:06
SPEAKER_01: We'll see you.