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Ep. 12: Boys Will Be Bots · We Are More: Sisters Talk Faith & Feminism

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Welcome to the We Are More podcast.
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My name is Alyssa.
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And my name is Bri.
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We are two sisters passionate about all things faith and feminism.
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We believe that Jesus trusted, respected, and encouraged women to teach and preach His
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word.
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And apparently that's controversial.
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It's a bit comfy.
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Hello.
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Hello.
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It is hot.
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It is hot.
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It has been in the 90s in Michigan this week.
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This will be in your past.
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Yeah.
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Have you survived?
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Have we?
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We may not.
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Future selves.
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Are you alive?
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Also make better life choices.
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Yeah.
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Move away.
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Where?
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Where's colder than this, Brie?
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I don't know.
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You guys want to move to Florida.
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Yeah, but at least you're in Florida.
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Like you have a pool and an ocean and Disney.
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Here it's just hot and miserable.
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The Michigan people are going to come for us.
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Pure Michigan.
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Pure Michigan.
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Thanks, Tim Allen.
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Yeah.
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You really put us on the map there.
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Also all of the lakes that we live in between.
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I don't recall those.
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Where are we?
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But we are sitting in here.
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This is how committed we are to you guys.
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We're sitting in this room with no fans going.
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We don't have air conditioning in the house.
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We have those sad cooling towels that you get at Disney around our necks.
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Don't throw us.
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Don't out us.
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I'm just saying, we're very committed to our craft.
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We might as well be recording outside.
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I mean really, except for the birds would kill the point of the no fans.
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Because you got pooped on today.
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I did, a bird pooped on me today.
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And not like a gray poopon, like an actual poopon.
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What?
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I just recently watched that commercial.
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They have a commercial?
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Yeah, have you seen it?
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They're like, I poop on my barbecue.
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I poop on my chicken.
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Isn't that one of the Super Bowl commercials?
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It may have been.
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I think it's old.
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I feel like that's striking a memory.
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Anyway.
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I could sing another song related to the sound of music.
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Oh god.
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But I won't.
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Good, because that's a terrible song.
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It is terrible.
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And I'm really hot.
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Yeah.
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It's raw.
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In both ways.
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So in this mini episode, this is our third mini episode, right?
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Yes.
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So we did one on Harrison Butkern's Stupid Speech.
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Butkern.
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You made that joke every time.
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We had one come out a couple weeks ago on Bridgerton, which was a super fun one to record.
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That was super fun.
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Yeah.
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We got some really good quotes out of that one.
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We did.
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And today we're going to be talking a little bit about AI and its impact on women.
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AI!
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AI is freaking everywhere.
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It's in my workplace now.
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We're using it for monitoring patients.
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It's crazy.
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And I'm in the marketing, editing sphere, and it's just everywhere.
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You can't get away from it.
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We use it to edit the stinking podcast.
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Sometimes is it my voice or is it AI's voice?
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You'll never know.
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If it says something stupid, it's free!
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So it's me all the time.
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Yeah, it's pretty much always you.
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I haven't been able to figure that feature out.
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We use an editing software that has the option, if we talk over each other to fix it with
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AI or if we mispronounce a word or whatever, although we've confused it a lot.
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Caffele, you think it knows how to say that?
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No, it's not biblical.
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This is not a biblical editing software.
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They'll come out with that eventually.
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Maybe we will.
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Maybe.
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But we will not pronounce it.
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We'll find somebody else.
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Anyway, so we've seen that explode in, I mean, everywhere.
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You can't get away from AI, I know.
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And so we wanted to talk a little bit about that because Brie saw this crazy TikTok video
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and sent it to me the other day.
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I got swindled.
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You did?
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I just got swindled by AI.
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There was, okay, I'm addicted to TikTok.
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I will confess.
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I spend many hours a day on the tics and the tocs.
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And I saw this video come through that was Kim Kardashian and she was announcing that
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she was transitioning.
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She was going to be Mr. Kim Kardashian.
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Yeah, transgender, right?
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And I was like, holy cow.
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And they had these images of her essentially in drag, which I don't know if that's the
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appropriate term or not.
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So I sent it to you.
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But it wasn't true.
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It was all AI.
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They're able to AI people's faces, manipulate their voices, make it look like it's a
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legit video.
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It looked like an interview and it was based off of an interview that she did, but that
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is not what she said.
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Yeah, I think I looked into it and it was like an interview where she said she was transitioning
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into acting.
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What's yay for her?
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I mean, no, the world does not need that.
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But like, instead, they made it say that she was transitioning into a man.
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And the only way that I caught on to it at all is I was reading through the comments
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and people were like, I can't find this anywhere else.
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Why can't I find this interview?
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And then somebody did find the interview and posted what it actually said.
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Leave it to people on the internet.
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They are like little detectives out there.
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Yeah, it's crazy to me.
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And in this particular case, yes, you have people that can kind of seek it out and whatever,
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because she's famous enough that if you fake something, there's enough of a record that
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people can go back.
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But how can something like this where you can edit a voice, you can edit a picture,
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you can edit a video affect someone who doesn't have the resources to prove that it's not
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true?
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Right.
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Well, there's a term for it now.
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It's called deep fakes.
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We looked it up.
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It's essentially what we're describing right now.
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Using AI to manipulate videos, photos, voices to do or say whatever you want.
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And it's super dangerous, not just to women, but we'll be talking about it relating to
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women.
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Because that's what we do.
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I am a woman.
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Hear me?
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Sigh.
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Well, that's going on TikTok.
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Yeah, I've lost my train of thought now.
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It's so hot.
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Have you seen that video of Taylor Swift?
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Like she was performing Brazil or somewhere like extremely hot.
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And in between songs, she's just like gasping for breath and all of a sudden the music hits
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and she just snaps back into it.
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I don't know how she does that.
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I don't know, because I would pass away.
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I am not built for heat.
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No.
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When I go and buy makeup, I buy the lightest shade of foundation they make.
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I was not built for the sun.
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You are translucent.
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I am.
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I was born for the moon.
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You're a citizen of the moon.
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Now we've gone weird.
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That's from Parks and Recreation.
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Anyway, back on topic.
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So the issue, honestly, when we were looking up what should we talk about for this podcast,
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the reason that this topic came up was because I was thinking about AI, deal with AI every
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day at work.
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And I looked up, all I did was how does AI affect women?
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And I was thinking not about this necessarily, but about like in the workspace, because you
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see a lot of women in marketing, things like that, that it would kind of displace workers.
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But to think that this is going to disproportionately affect women in being manipulated with pictures
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and videos.
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They say it's a new form of sexual harassment or assault against women or men too.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, it can, I mean, for sure be used against men.
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I think we just see it more likely as happening to women because pictures, videos, things
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like that have already been so disproportionately used against women.
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I was listening to a podcast before we started recording this that said that that happened
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to Taylor Swift.
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Actually, a bunch of AI generated nudes came out of her.
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Yeah, like super explicit, like nasty stuff.
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And if that's happening to Taylor Swift, think about what's happening to kids in school,
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to minors, to like all kinds of stuff.
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It's super disturbing.
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Well, and I mean, you think what can that be used against?
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All they have to get is a picture of your face.
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And how many pictures of our faces are out there?
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Well, you have to scan your face every time to open your phone.
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And we post things on social media because you think, well, it's Facebook and I've got
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it all locked down.
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Yeah, it's private.
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Right.
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So you have your profile pictures up there, your cover photos up there.
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Do you really know every friend that you have?
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I have a lot in purgatory.
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You do.
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Several old men in purgatory, actually.
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Yeah.
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Well, think of why they've friended you.
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Because I'm beautiful.
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Yeah, that's it.
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But it's just, it's one of those things that is so scary about the world today.
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How do you even protect yourself from it?
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You can't be totally not online at all.
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That's not really an option in today's world.
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Everything's online.
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You have to have a Google account to walk into Myer.
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Which is a store by us, by the way.
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I know, that always throws me off that other people don't know what Myer is.
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A grocery.
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A grocery.
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I wish that we had some big, like there was a big message here of like, here's how to
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protect yourself from the use of AI.
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I don't know that that's a thing yet.
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I don't think it is.
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I think AI is so like still experimental and people are still figuring it out.
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But people need to be really wary of it, I would say.
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And for the women out there, as sad as it is, and as much as this is always the advice,
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you have to keep your guard up.
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You have to be even more careful.
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And that shouldn't be what it is.
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No.
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You shouldn't be worried that the kid next door to you is going to sneak a creepy picture
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of you and throw it all over the internet.
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Well one of the things I wanted to talk about too, of how pictures are generally used against
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women.
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So an example of this even before AI.
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So again, this is even bigger of a problem with AI, but it's not a new problem because
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of AI.
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I'm not sure if you guys have heard this story, but there was a woman, her name was Micah Miller,
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and she...
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She unalived herself.
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Yeah.
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She unalived herself, unfortunately, recently.
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A few months ago.
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And her story goes that she was married to this pastor, and he was incredibly abusive.
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She was very vocal about him being abusive as she was trying to leave.
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Other people were aware of the situation, and she had told people close to her that
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if she ever died, it was him.
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He did it.
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Now part of the abuse from him was that he had convinced her to send nude pictures, and
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I don't know the nature of the nude pictures, but they were married.
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There's nothing inherently wrong with that, except that he had forced her to send them.
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It wasn't like she wanted to, and that was just part of their relationship.
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He had forced that out of her, and then he used those pictures to blackmail her.
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That's horrible.
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Yeah.
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Now the rest of the story, I would highly recommend looking it up.
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It's very important.
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It's a very important story, I think, because as Brie said, I don't know how to say that
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without it being...
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That's what they say on TikTok, because if you say anything, they take it down.
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And it was ruled that that's what happened.
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Now you can decide for yourself whether you think that's actually what happened or not.
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A lot of people do not.
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A lot of people think her husband was at fault, but either way, from the abuse...
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I think regardless, he was at fault.
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She was driven.
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Even if he didn't do it, he drove her to it with a lot of manipulation, a lot of hatefulness.
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And this man was a pastor.
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It doesn't get more disgusting than that.
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And to look at that situation and know that was without the use of AI.
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That was just manipulation.
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And that was a man who was married to this woman, supposed to love her, supposed to care
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for her, and he pulled this crap.
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So what happens now?
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Now that the whole avenue is open?
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One of the podcasts...
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I don't know that this necessarily relates to what we're talking about, but one of the
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podcasts was also saying that it's not just making images of people or exploiting them
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in that way.
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It's also historical.
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So you can take voices of old presidents, you can take voices of people of importance,
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you know, and make them say what you want them to say.
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So there's a video going around of Nixon's voice essentially saying that the moon landing
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never happened, but it was all AI generated.
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But people don't know that.
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And unless you do some serious digging, you think, well, I found my evidence.
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But how much more can you do with anything else?
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One of the podcasts that I was listening to was saying so many people are arguing that
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like, well, it's not as offensive because these AI images of women that they're stealing
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or creating aren't real.
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But they are real in very real ways.
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They are really going to affect someone.
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And it's if you really want a picture of someone that's just not real, don't use someone's
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face.
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Why do you need her face in there?
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If you're just computer generating something that doesn't affect her in any way.
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And let's talk about the issue of consent, like she never consented to be in your pictures,
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or at least get her consent to do that.
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Right.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I struggle with a lot of this stuff.
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But consent matters.
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It absolutely matters and more than just the ways that you're thinking.
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Even if you choose to keep these AI generated images or videos or whatever to yourself,
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if she didn't consent, that is still assault.
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That is still and the law will have to catch up to these things.
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However, there are laws in place for essentially sexual manipulation.
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I remember when we were younger in our area at one of the schools, students sent around
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some pictures of another student and they were both minors.
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She was minor, he was minor, and he sent it to one person who sent it to the next person
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who sent it to the next person.
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And eventually the whole school had access to this picture.
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And a lot of people faulted her for having taken the picture in the first place.
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That it was somehow something that she had done wrong.
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Now that's insane because no matter what she's chosen to do, that boy had absolutely no right
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ever to share it.
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No.
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Because again, consent.
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But with the advent of AI, you now no longer even have that excuse.
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Nope.
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Because she never made the picture.
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She never sent you the picture.
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Maybe you pulled it offline.
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Maybe you snuck a creepy picture while you were at work.
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Whatever it is, she didn't send you a nude photo.
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She didn't send you an inappropriate photo.
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I feel like on some level we're making like, here's the scary world.
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But I think what the purpose of this podcast, at least for me, is just awareness of the
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situation.
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For women to be aware that it could happen and to be cautious and to kind of steal up
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for in case that happens to you, what would you do?
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How would you handle it?
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And I don't know what to tell you in that scenario.
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It's horrific and I hope that you would be able to press charges.
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But also for men, to make them aware that this is not okay.
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No.
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Not in any world is it okay.
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I think it's easy to convince yourself that anything you do in the walls of your home
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is your business and it's fine.
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The devil is great at justifying terrible behavior.
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And at the end of the day, just because you're doing something in private doesn't make it
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okay.
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I think about who else is this affecting?
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It's not just you if you're stealing those pictures offline.
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Even if, again, even if it's someone you don't know.
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Celebrities, strangers, it's not okay.
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Well you think because I never have to interact with that person, they're never going to know
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me that this makes it fine, but it doesn't.
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It doesn't.
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People think that celebrities, because they live their lives so out in the open and publicly,
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they have some kind of right to them.
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And you don't.
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You never have rights to someone else's body.
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Even if it's a picture.
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I'm interested to see how this situation progresses.
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Because at least from where I'm sitting, we at work have AI detectors.
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So I'll have a writer send me in an article and I can run it through an AI detector to
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tell me essentially did chat GPT write this article.
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So it'll be interesting to see do those things pop up for videos or pictures and how that
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functions.
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The future has some great technology ahead of it.
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For us we use it to track people's dental hygiene and how their teeth are tracking within
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design.
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It's a very cool system.
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It tracks for like a hundred different, I don't know, it confuses me.
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Like, it is cool.
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And using it in that way where you can make someone's life better, awesome.
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When you're using it maliciously.
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Well, it can be such a tool that you can utilize.
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Like for the podcast and our editing software, it saves me so much time.
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Like the reason that we're able to do these mini episodes is because we use an editing
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software that automatically filters out all the times we say it.
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Which is a lot.
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And I'm going to have to tell it not to filter that one out.
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Leave that one alone.
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And honestly, like, you guys don't hear it as much, but we say it a lot.
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We say a lot of ums and we edit out a lot of crap for you guys.
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You're welcome.
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And that software allows me to do it quickly and simply without spending four years in
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this un-air-conditioned room trying to deal with it.
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To be honest, this may be the end for me.
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It may pass away.
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We have an hour long episode to record after this.
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And now a song.
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Don't trust a hole whenever trust a hole.
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I think that's the opposite message that we want.
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I think something that's important to bring up is like, if you see something, and this
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is like the oldest, well maybe not the oldest phrase in the book, always be cautious of
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what you see on the internet.
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Don't assume that what you see is real.
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Don't assume Kim Kardashian is going to be a man.
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Yeah, because she'd be wrong.
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I'd be wrong.
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I'd be dead wrong.
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And don't share it with people if you don't know that's true.
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On the plus side, I think TikTok filters a lot of these things.
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And they're trying to filter the use of AI in a big way.
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We'll see how that works.
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And if you see something or you see another person that you know using this in a bad way,
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confront them.
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It's okay to say that's not okay.
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Right.
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Well, I think, you know, in Christian circles, they say that P star RN.
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Yeah, there you go.
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P star RN is just massively prevalent.
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It's just everywhere in Christian circles.
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And I think it's because you, it's because of what I just said.
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You think God doesn't care about what you do in private.
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Or maybe not that he doesn't care, but that it's not as bad.
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Right.
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God cares.
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God cares.
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God cares how you treat people.
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He cares about the woman that you are assaulting, that you don't think you're assaulting because
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you've justified it in your head.
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But this is all outlined for us in the Bible, where God says, love each other, love your
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neighbor, love your brothers and sisters.
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If you truly love someone, you don't treat them like this.
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Would you want someone doing that to you?
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Or your child?
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Or anyone you love?
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Or your friend?
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Yeah.
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If you respect yourself in any way or anybody you love, you wouldn't.
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I think it's easy to lie to, like people will say, well, I wouldn't care.
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I wouldn't care.
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And that justifies it for them.
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And I understand that that is probably going to be the justification for a lot of people.
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Why wouldn't care if someone did this to me?
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It doesn't really matter if you wouldn't care, would they care?
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Did you ask them?
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Yeah.
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Did you ask them?
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I'm going to guess you didn't.
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I'm going to guess you didn't.
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And if they found out what you were doing, would you feel ashamed of yourself?
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Would you try to hide what you're doing?
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Because if you're trying to hide it, you probably know that it's wrong.
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My concern too is, we think about this as the gross people that are kind of at the bottom
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of society and whatever.
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It's not.
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It's not.
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It's not.
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It's pastors.
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It is.
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It's your neighbor.
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It's your boss.
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I don't know.
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Well, that's why I hate saying to women, be careful, watch yourself, be more cautious
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around men.
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We didn't do an episode on the bear analogy, but if you haven't heard it, it's essentially
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asking women, would you rather run into a bear or a man if you were walking alone in
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the forest?
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And most women, I would say a huge percentage of women said that they would rather run into
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the bear.
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And that's been very controversial because men have said, well, not all men are bad.
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And that's, no one is saying that all men are bad.
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I don't think anybody is saying that.
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Maybe like two people.
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But like, I don't think that's the prevalent message here.
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The message is that we have to be careful of every single man.
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Because even if it's one in a hundred, one in a thousand, if I'm not careful, I'm likely
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to be the next victim.
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And I'm not willing for that to happen.
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So I have to be careful of all 100 men instead of just the one.
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Because we've been conditioned to be that way too, because most women have run into
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situations in their life where they've run into men and been treated inappropriately.
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Whether that be like physically or verbally.
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I think that's probably universal.
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Like I don't think there's many women out there.
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Well think back to like the Me Too movement.
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People kind of, especially like the Christian circles kind of-
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They villainized it.
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They villainized it because they were like, well, I don't know what they were saying.
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That should show you how big of a problem this is.
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Right.
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Well there's that song, is it Dua Lipa?
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Boys Will Be Boys?
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So one of the lines in that is, sick intuition that they taught us so we won't freak out.
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And that is so- I listened to it today.
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That is so impactful because you think back as a little girl.
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We were taught if there's a man in the aisle at the grocery store, don't go in that aisle.
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If you're walking in the parking lot, have your keys between your fingers.
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If you're walking back from class, have your pepper spray out.
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When you walk in your house after you get home from work, don't turn all the lights
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on right away because you don't want people to know when you get home.
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And I don't think either of us are saying that this can't impact men also.
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It's just from our perspective, what women were taught.
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And unfortunately, our mothers and our grandmothers had to teach this to us.
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There's no fault there in them teaching it to us.
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They had to, but why did they have to?
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Because we haven't taught our boys to respect women from the jump.
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Is that a bad way to say that?
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From the beginning.
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Exactly, that's exactly it.
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And you can see that move through society.
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And so it needs to be addressed.
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It needs to be called out.
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People need to say to men, we expect more of you.
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So I guess maybe that's the purpose of this podcast, not to scare women, not to say like
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you need to have an exit plan, whatever, but to tell men, I don't know how many men are
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listening to our feminism podcast.
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Hello, men.
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Nathan's listening.
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Hello, man.
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Hey, maybe your boyfriend Curtis is listening.
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Curtis, are you still in want of a wife?
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Anyway, but for the men out there, if you hear this, if someone sends it to you, do
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better.
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Not just for you.
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Maybe you're doing great.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, I'm assuming you are.
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Do amazing things.
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Tell your sons to do better.
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Tell your friends to do better.
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Check in on them and make sure they're not behaving this way.
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Because it's like, remember the song from Warrior Kids, This Little Light of Mine?
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I'm gonna let it shine.
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Who's gonna sing now, Alyssa?
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I'm not gonna sing.
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You're gonna sing.
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I just did.
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You did.
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But it's like if you have, if you as a man, because you have more influence in the circles
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with the other men, if you decide that you're going to be a better person, that you're going
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to be above this kind of behavior, that you're gonna fight for the rights of women, let that
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light shine, and then maybe it affects just one other person.
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And then they take that and it affects two other people.
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It's like, what is that movie where the kid did one good act and then-
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I know what you're talking about.
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But all I can say is the giving tree.
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Nope, that's not it.
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It has fully escaped my brain.
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But yeah.
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The Perfect Gift?
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No.
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That's not it.
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Anyway.
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Eat, Pray, Love?
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That is definitely not it.
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So let your light shine.
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That's the message.
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I got all I need when I got you and I.
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Flashlight.
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Alright guys, we're gonna wind this down because I am going to die of a heat stroke at any
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moment.
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I've already gone.
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Bree's talking from the grave.
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The Beyond.
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Ah.
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We listened to the Haunted Mansion theme song today.
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You have a problem.
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I can't wait to go.
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I know.
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Very excited.
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Sarah mentioned it to me today.
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She goes, Bree!
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It's coming up so soon!
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Are you excited?
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And I was like-
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It's like, are you more excited than me?
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Maybe.
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Alright.
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We'll see you guys next time- actually, we'll see you guys in about five minutes when we
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record the next episode.
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If you notice some consistency in like, oh, they sound like they're gonna die.
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We recorded these two episodes at the same time.
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Don't worry.
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Back to back.
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Alright.
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We'll see you guys soon.
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Bye!