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Disruptive Conversations with Latasha Gillespie - The Potter’s House of Dallas. · THE WORLD'S BEST PREACHER

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  Speaker 1: And to get out of your comfortable sallows and your
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  Speaker 1: nice home and your big jet in your mansion and
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  Speaker 1: take a walk in somebody else's yard and develop empathy.
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  Speaker 1: And we are losing empathy.
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  Speaker 2: There's a significant portion of the book that talks about
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  Speaker 2: disruptive partnerships, and I think for some people it's going
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  Speaker 2: to surprise them the way you talk about how God
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  Speaker 2: will use someone very different than you to help you
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  Speaker 2: along your journey and why it's important to have those
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  Speaker 2: folks as strategic partners to help you complete the assignment.
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  Speaker 1: We are forever the student. Though we are teaching, though
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  Speaker 1: we are leading, though we are preaching, though we are
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  Speaker 1: teaching that we're running a company, that we're running a business,
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  Speaker 1: we are still learning. And as long as you keep learning,
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  Speaker 1: you can keep leading. You can't lead past where you learn.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Amazon Live.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Latasha Gillespie and I'm the head of Global Diversity, Equity,
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  Speaker 2: Inclusion and Accessibility for Amazon Studios, Prime Video, MGM, and Freebee.
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  Speaker 2: Here today, I'm so excited to be having a conversation,
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  Speaker 2: a disruptive conversation with Bishop TD Jakes. He's a prolific
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  Speaker 2: content creator, husband, father, grandfather, CEO, entrepreneur, real estate developer,
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  Speaker 2: award winning producer, New York Times best selling author, and
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  Speaker 2: the founder and senior pastor of The Potter's House, a multicultural,
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  Speaker 2: non denominational church and humanitarian organization headquartered in Dallas with
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  Speaker 2: locations literally all over the world. He's affectionately known as
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  Speaker 2: America's Pastor, although I know some of our viewers who
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  Speaker 2: are on Asia, on the continent of Asia Africa would
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  Speaker 2: argue he's theirs too.
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  Speaker 3: You can also find three hundred hours of his content, including.
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  Speaker 2: New and archives, sermons, interviews as well, all on Prime
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  Speaker 2: Video and his very own fast channel on Amazon Freebe welcome, Bishop.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. I'm delighted to be with you.
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  Speaker 3: Listen.
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  Speaker 2: I am really excited to talk to you today. Today
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about your new your latest book, Disruptive Thinking.
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  Speaker 2: It actually comes out tomorrow, so I'm super excited to
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  Speaker 2: be here with the sneak preview. I have my copy, which,
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  Speaker 2: as you can tell, has been worn. I have been
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  Speaker 2: going through this book. It has been giving me my life.
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  Speaker 4: Good good good.
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  Speaker 2: So I want to help our audience get their life
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  Speaker 2: too today. So we are currently live on Amazon Live.
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  Speaker 2: So thank you all for being here with us today.
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  Speaker 2: What that means is I want you to drop your questions,
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  Speaker 2: drop your comments in the chat. We're all going to
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  Speaker 2: chat with Bishop today. We're going to share your questions.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to answer them. We're so excited to have
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  Speaker 2: you here today as we talk. Also, you can find
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  Speaker 2: his new book as well as his past works in
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  Speaker 2: the carousel tach to the video, so you can shop
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  Speaker 2: right here and not have to leave the platform while
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  Speaker 2: you stay engaged in this conversation.
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  Speaker 4: Great.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, bishap. We're coming off a WorldWind week.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we have had an amazing week ils our International
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  Speaker 1: Leadership Summit. Ye had Good Soil, which was our training
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  Speaker 1: ground for entrepreneurs. Both of them were wildly successful, completely
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  Speaker 1: sold out, and we had an amazing time.
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  Speaker 2: We did ten thousand entrepreneurs, business leaders, spiritual leaders, all
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  Speaker 2: coming together for a transformative experience.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And I feel like that actually was a great
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  Speaker 2: setup for what's going to happen tomorrow because the whole
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  Speaker 2: world will be able to experience that transformation with this
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  Speaker 2: new book.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. And I think about it this way. When
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  Speaker 1: you think about the intersection between ministry, marketplace and missions,
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  Speaker 1: that in itself is disruptive. That's right, because normally they
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  Speaker 1: are segmented and separated and segregated, and they stay that way.
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  Speaker 1: But what we did was converge them together. Because we
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  Speaker 1: affect each other. The marketplace effects the ministry. The ministry
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  Speaker 1: effects submission, and so why don't we sit down together
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  Speaker 1: and have the kind of holistic conversations that creates change.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, let's have that conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Because disruptive thinking, the Slatest book, is really about a
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  Speaker 2: daring strategy to change how we live, how we lead,
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  Speaker 2: and how we love. So your book is a call
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  Speaker 2: to action for disruptive thinkers who I love.
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  Speaker 3: In the book, you affectionately call us fence sleepers.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, but it's.
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  Speaker 3: Also for fence dwellers.
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  Speaker 4: Yes yes.
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  Speaker 2: It's also for those who enable the fence sleepers to lead.
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  Speaker 2: It's for parents, it's for spouses, it's for business leaders,
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  Speaker 2: it's for faith based leaders. It's for atheists, right, it's
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  Speaker 2: for Republicans, Democrats, independents, the LGBTQ community.
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  Speaker 3: There's something in this book for everyone.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that because we're sharing the planet together, we're
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  Speaker 1: sharing oxygen together, we're sharing life together, we're living this
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  Speaker 1: life together. We don't have to agree about everything, but
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  Speaker 1: there are certain stable things, yeah, that are necessary to
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  Speaker 1: the sustenance of our entire life. And once we begin
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  Speaker 1: to understand those major issues and how they affect us, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: then we won't focus so much on the minor issues
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  Speaker 1: and how they separate us.
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  Speaker 2: Let me tell you something in this book. First of all,
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  Speaker 2: I felt seen reading it, like, Okay, the way I
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  Speaker 2: think is not out of the ordinary, or there are
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  Speaker 2: people who think the way I do.
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  Speaker 3: There was some times it stepped on my toes.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, right, what I loved about the book, As you said,
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  Speaker 2: disruptors don't take sides, they take over, right. These are
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  Speaker 2: the folks who are providing solutions rather than joining a debate.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, now, why is that important in this particular
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  Speaker 2: time for everyone to understand why it's important to leave
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  Speaker 2: those well worn paths of the past to divinely disrupt
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  Speaker 2: the status quo.
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  Speaker 1: We have never been more segregated than we are right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yea more tribalistic than we are right now, more loyal
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  Speaker 1: to late than we are to common sense. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 1: we need desperately to come out of our silos and
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  Speaker 1: find common ground so that we can have a more
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  Speaker 1: perfect union as a country, a more perfect world globally
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  Speaker 1: when we begin to think like that, not taking sides,
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  Speaker 1: but taking over and understanding that you are the people
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  Speaker 1: that you've been waiting for.
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  Speaker 3: You just set me up from my first clip.
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  Speaker 2: I want to play a clip this is actually you
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  Speaker 2: and your own words, with an excerpt from the book.
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  Speaker 2: So in addition to pre ordering the book, you can
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  Speaker 2: also get the book on audible. And so I want
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  Speaker 2: to play this clip for our audience real quick.
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  Speaker 1: Your moment has arrived, that final straw shoving you to
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  Speaker 1: the disruptive thought that can turn this thing around. Your
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  Speaker 1: now is here. You deserve fairness, you've earned peace, You merit, fulfillment.
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  Speaker 1: The elements you need for your transformation, the disruptive steps
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  Speaker 1: you need to take, are already inside of you. They
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  Speaker 1: are sitting, they're waiting. The only thing that can come
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  Speaker 1: out of you is what's already in you.
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  Speaker 3: I love that. I love that because that invited us
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  Speaker 3: all to be disruptive thinkers.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, and it also validates the fact that they're
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  Speaker 1: still hidden treasure down inside of you. That if you
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  Speaker 1: have the courage to explore rather than to embrace the
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  Speaker 1: timidity of living up to how people have assigned you
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  Speaker 1: a foul, a title, a place, a structure that can
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  Speaker 1: become a prison, not a protection. It gives you the
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  Speaker 1: courage to leap beyond that and see what else am I?
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  Speaker 1: What else is in me? What else can I do?
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  Speaker 1: What else can I bring to the table? And to
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  Speaker 1: be disruptive means that you defy description.
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  Speaker 3: Listen.
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  Speaker 2: And what it also makes me feel like is there's
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  Speaker 2: no expiration date on that based on what you just.
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  Speaker 1: Said, not at all at all times, because we are
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  Speaker 1: forever the student. Though we are teaching, though we are leading,
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  Speaker 1: though we are preaching, though we are teaching that we're
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  Speaker 1: running a company, that we're running a business, we are
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  Speaker 1: still learning. And as long as you keep learning, you
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  Speaker 1: can keep leading. You can't lead past where you learn.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that was a gym for you. I'm gonna repeat that.
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  Speaker 3: You can't lead past where you learn, past where you learn.
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  Speaker 3: That was rich. So whoever that was for you can
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  Speaker 3: just put a thank you in the chat for that.
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  Speaker 2: Reading this book, it also felt like there was this
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  Speaker 2: sense of urgency behind it. You talk about when change
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  Speaker 2: becomes not only desirable but urgent, urgently necessary, why do
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  Speaker 2: you believe at this particular time in the world we
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  Speaker 2: need this kind of thinking, this disruptive thinking.
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  Speaker 1: Well, one, we've been totally destabilized. There is no normal
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  Speaker 1: to go back to, there is it. Everybody's waiting to
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  Speaker 1: go back to normal. There is no normal. Yeah, normal
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  Speaker 1: has been redefined. It's been a huge paradigm shift. And
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  Speaker 1: so while we are in the middle of this transition,
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  Speaker 1: we have to be disruptive thinkers or we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be law lost. Our souls, our hearts, our minds are
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  Speaker 1: going to be homeless because we keep trying to find
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  Speaker 1: our way back to a place that it's burned down
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  Speaker 1: COVID two or three years of COVID and isolation, and
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  Speaker 1: businesses have rethought themselves. Airlines have rethought themselves, churches have
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  Speaker 1: rethought themselves, corporations.
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  Speaker 4: Have thought marriages have rethought themselves.
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  Speaker 3: You understand parenting.
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  Speaker 1: Parenting has totally revolutionized in which we teach, the way
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  Speaker 1: which school teachers teach, the way which universities teach. And
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  Speaker 1: so that person who needs normalcy to feel safe, their
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  Speaker 1: equilibrium has been broken. This book now gives you permission
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  Speaker 1: to disrupt what was so you can embrace what is Okay.
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  Speaker 2: That makes so much sense to me because in your
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  Speaker 2: book you also stress the urgency on a personal level.
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  Speaker 2: I felt like, in addition to what the world is
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  Speaker 2: going through, also felt like there was this sense of
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  Speaker 2: urgency for me as an individual. And you talk about
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  Speaker 2: that when the threat and trauma are the strong is
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  Speaker 2: when you should really be a fence sleeper, which on
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  Speaker 2: the surface sounds conintuitive except for how you just explained it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, think about this. When the pains are greatest with
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  Speaker 1: a pregnant woman, that's when they tell.
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  Speaker 4: Her to push.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, And what we have a tendency to do is
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  Speaker 1: when we feel the greatest pain, we draw back. Oh
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  Speaker 1: that's scary, that hurt. You know, they talked about me.
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  Speaker 1: They don't like me. No, push into it. Push because
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  Speaker 1: they wouldn't be talking about you if they didn't notice you,
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  Speaker 1: And they wouldn't notice you if you.
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  Speaker 3: Weren't loaded, if you weren't having impact.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: You said that last.
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  Speaker 2: Week at Good Soil, which was an amazing conference for entrepreneurs.
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  Speaker 2: So those of you who missed it, I'm really fiy
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  Speaker 2: you should download the app and make your reservation.
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  Speaker 3: For next year.
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  Speaker 2: You talked about the level of attack that comes is
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  Speaker 2: based on the level of impact you're having in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and once you learn that, you embrace the attack
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  Speaker 1: as an indication that you're having impact. See, there's a
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  Speaker 1: difference between effort and impact. Effort is how much energy
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  Speaker 1: I expended. But I can expend a lot of energy
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  Speaker 1: and not impact what I hit. Impact ways how much
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  Speaker 1: I changed the world my marriage, my children, my job,
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  Speaker 1: my company, myself, my world. And at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day, it doesn't matter how much effort you expend
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  Speaker 1: if you're not making impact, if.
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  Speaker 3: You're not bearing fruit.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, Simonia ask wants to know what was your inspiration
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  Speaker 2: for writing this book?
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  Speaker 1: The fierce urgency of now the world as I knew
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  Speaker 1: it blew up with you with COVID. Everything changed. My
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  Speaker 1: church shut down. I had to preach for two years
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  Speaker 1: in an empty building. I watched corporations, Toys or US
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  Speaker 1: went away, many many corporations, downsized, restaurants closed, and I thought,
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  Speaker 1: either this is the apocalypse, which I haven't ruled out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, and I'm living in a movie
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  Speaker 1: and I can't get out, or all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: we have the greatest opportunity. Do you not know that
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  Speaker 1: more millionaires and billionaires were given to this country during
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  Speaker 1: the depression Wow than any other time in history. So
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  Speaker 1: disruptions are also an opportunity for discovery, for creativity, for invention,
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  Speaker 1: for innovation, because we are open to things in disruption
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  Speaker 1: that we would not be open to in normalcy.
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  Speaker 2: That listen, because the world is changing and blowing up anyway,
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  Speaker 2: so you might as well figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. You take companies like Uber, you take companies like Lyft.
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  Speaker 1: You wouldn't have thought of them years ago. Now you
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  Speaker 1: would have held the taxi and be done with it.
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  Speaker 3: Let me tell something. I got to page three before.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, see now, why he all in my business?
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  Speaker 3: Page three you said, the older.
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  Speaker 2: We get, the longer we live, the more we realize
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  Speaker 2: that we were born looking like our parents, but we
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  Speaker 2: die looking like our decisions.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and I think that's very very important. We
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  Speaker 1: die looking like our deceased, and so we have a
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  Speaker 1: huge opportunity, obligation, I would even say responsibility, to alter
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  Speaker 1: our decisions, to change our outcomes. The feeling of being
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  Speaker 1: helpless has permeated our society to the point of depression,
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  Speaker 1: when in reality you're going to dialoguing like your decisions
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  Speaker 1: and your choices. If you change your decisions, you can
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  Speaker 1: change your outcomes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you actually have been a great example of that.
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  Speaker 2: Angela and Irene both commented that you have been very
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  Speaker 2: disruptive in a good way. Bishop, And in the book
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  Speaker 2: you also give several examples around disruptive thinkers that have
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  Speaker 2: changed the course of history. Now you are one of
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  Speaker 2: those people who have changed the course of history. Can
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  Speaker 2: you share with our audience a little bit about some
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  Speaker 2: of the ways being disruptive has helped you pave the
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  Speaker 2: way for something great?
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  Speaker 3: Then maybe you didn't even anticipate well, you know.
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  Speaker 1: For example, I wrote the first Christian book to women
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  Speaker 1: written by many, no publisher even wanted to publish it.
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  Speaker 1: I self published the book Wow, and that book has
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  Speaker 1: outsold any book I've ever done. Women that are loose
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  Speaker 1: and there was no presidents for so I have a
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  Speaker 1: history of going where others haven't gone. I was the
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  Speaker 1: first me to movement, you know, speaking to women and
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  Speaker 1: challenging them to come out of their pain and abuse
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  Speaker 1: and trauma and acknowledging their pain, abuse and trauma. I
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  Speaker 1: was the first guy to do that and so that's
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  Speaker 1: one example of it. A recent example is this real
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  Speaker 1: estate deal that we're doing with Wells Fargo is a
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  Speaker 1: disruptive idea for them and for me.
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  Speaker 2: Help the people understand just how disruptive that was. You
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  Speaker 2: gave a nice little answer.
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  Speaker 3: I helped the peop understand how disruptive this deal is.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 1: For Wells Fargo, they said, it's unlike anything they've ever
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  Speaker 1: done in the history of Wells Fargo, which goes back
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  Speaker 1: a long long ways. For me, it's disruptive because there
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  Speaker 1: I am building communities, neighborhoods, developing mixed income, mixed use facilities,
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  Speaker 1: every thinking that Wells Fargo is going to come alongside me,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to be able to pull from their
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  Speaker 1: resources and unexpected surgeons of capital that enables our communities
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  Speaker 1: and people who look like me and others who are
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  Speaker 1: struggling to have things like grocery stores. Yeah, things that
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  Speaker 1: other people take for granted that are heartbreak. We've got
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  Speaker 1: liquor stores. We don't have grocery stores. We've got payday loans,
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  Speaker 1: we don't have banks, we don't have the things that
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  Speaker 1: are necessary financial literacy, home ownership forty two percent of
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  Speaker 1: African Americans own their own home as opposed to seventy
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  Speaker 1: percent of non African American people on their own home
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  Speaker 1: forty two percent. So that is tragic, but it is
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  Speaker 1: also an opportunity. How do we get those people into
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  Speaker 1: home ownership? And the reasons it's important is because that's
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  Speaker 1: the first place where we begin to aggregate wealth or
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  Speaker 1: have something to pass on to our descendancy. It's through ownership.
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  Speaker 1: You can't pass on rent. Okay, you can't pass on rent.
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  Speaker 1: If you die and you're renting, your kids don't get
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  Speaker 1: the apartment. So we have to think of creative ways
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  Speaker 1: that we can have greater impact and greater influence by
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  Speaker 1: disrupting the status quo and saying the stats that we
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  Speaker 1: have today don't have to be the stats that we
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  Speaker 1: have tomorrow. Right now, it is projected that by the
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  Speaker 1: year twenty fifty, African Americans median income will be at zero.
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  Speaker 1: So if you felt an urgency in my writing, it
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  Speaker 1: is because in order to have equality, you have to
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  Speaker 1: have equity. You know, it doesn't matter how much you
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  Speaker 1: like me if I'm being evicted, you know, the fact
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  Speaker 1: that you talk nice about me, or the fact that
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  Speaker 1: you don't talk nice to me. Doesn't matter. If I'm
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  Speaker 1: making my payments, it doesn't bother me. If you're not
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  Speaker 1: making my payments, it doesn't affect me. So making us
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  Speaker 1: to think differently where we're not just in our feelings
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  Speaker 1: about things, and then challenging Wells Fargo to live up
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  Speaker 1: to its highest principles and ideals is critical because they
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  Speaker 1: haven't done that by their own admission. Starting to come
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  Speaker 1: to grips with the fact, at the very least, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to speak for them, but at the very
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  Speaker 1: least a billion dollars worth of capital made it to
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  Speaker 1: our community.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And I was able to steward that process, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: able to direct the houses, the grocery stores, the hotels,
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  Speaker 1: the jobs, the housing for senior living and things, schools
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  Speaker 1: and things that we desperately need in order to be
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  Speaker 1: competitive in the future. It's just one other tool. It's
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  Speaker 1: not my only tool. I've got other people behind me,
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  Speaker 1: I've got other companies behind me. But it added something
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  Speaker 1: to the arsenal that brings us to equality, which is
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  Speaker 1: not just good for people of color, it's good for
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  Speaker 1: everybody because we're going to shop in your grocery store.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna shop at your pharmaceutical visions, and so the
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  Speaker 1: whole economy can be uplifted by uplifting those who are overlooked.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: It's a flywheel for the whole ecosystem.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, Touch whoever you sit next to and tell
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: me he said a billion, would it be not a million?
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: With an M And touch the other person on the
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: other side of even tell them you cannot pass along rint.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: But I love this example of your partnership with Wells
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Fargo because there's a significant portion of the book that
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: talks about disruptive partnerships, and I think for some people
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: it's going to surprise them the way you talk about
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: how God will use someone very different than you to
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: help you along your journey, and why it's important to
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: have those folks as strategic partners to help you complete
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: the assignment. You stress the importance of actually having partnerships
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: across generational racial differences, faith differences. Let's talk about the
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: importance of disruptive alliances and why leaders shouldn't be afraid
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: to align with people who don't think like them.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: It is a mentality that's baked into our ecosystems. Our
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: silos and teachers, and loyalty means that you don't interact
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: with anybody that's not like us. It's us against them.
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  Speaker 1: We are the people and we ignore everybody else. First
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: of all, I have to demonize you to attack you, Okay.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I need to be able to call you something like
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: a savage or a native to be able to kill you.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: So I need to feel good about it. I can't
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: admit that you're a human. Second of all, look at
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: God partnering with Rahab the Harlot right, okay, which provoked
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: all of the possession of the Promised Land. Okay, when
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: you start looking at these, look at the Civil Rights
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: movement partnering with President then President Lyndon B. Johnson, who
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: had gone on the record for saying some terribly racist stuff,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: but they got the Bill of Rights done because they
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: talked to somebody that they didn't like what they said,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: but they were able to change what he did.
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  Speaker 4: And so sometimes we are.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: So wounded by what people have said that we don't
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: allow space to change what they did, or don't allow
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: them space to change what they did.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, listen, that's a whole word right there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, If you don't learn that marriage. It doesn't work.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Forget business. If you can't get past a bad moment,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: your marriage is not going to work. You're raising your children,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: it's not going to work. Working with your coworkers, it's
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: not going to work. And the reason a lot of
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: things don't work for us we can never get over
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the initial shock of pain. And in the book, I
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: talk about invisible walls that we put up for our
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: dogs to keep them in the backyard and keep them
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: away from the coyotes. I live in Dallas, shall and
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: keep them away from coyotes and rattlesnaks and all that.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I had one dog that stayed in the fence. The
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: other one took the shock of the invisible fence. Honey.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Honey leaped that fence because she wanted to get out
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: into the wider opportunities. I think there's somebody listening at
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: us right now. That's a fence sleeper. And if you're
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: a fence sleeper, then the fence is a cage, not
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: a protection. It's a cage. And so you have to
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: begin to understand that if you're going to go into
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the wild horizons of what's next, yeah, rather than what's now.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: I love that and we're going to talk about more
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: in depth about you know, fence sleeping and what's on
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: the other side of that. But before we move to that,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: I want to I want to stay here on these
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: partnerships for just a second, because your book talks a
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: lot about inclusion.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: A lot of times when we talk about diversity, equity,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: and inclusion, we're usually talking about people in power reaching
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: out to historically marginalized communities.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: But reading your book, as a woman and as a
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: woman of.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Color, so I wear two marginalized identities, I felt the
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: onus was on me to reach out to partner with
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: people who are different than me. I love your quote
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: on page eight three. Let me find it real quick.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: It was so good. It was another time you're on
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: my toes. I have learned over the years that when
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: all your associates are this in your same field, do
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: what you do and know what you know. The only
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: thing that can be born from the.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Association is repetition, competition, or envy.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: That's exactly right. You want to adorn yourself. It's like
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: a board. You don't want all accountants on your board.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: You want some lawyers on your board. You want some
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: people that are public relations specialists on your board that
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: diversity benefits the whole ecosystem of a corporation in the
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: same sense extrovertsy end up marrying introverts. You know, we're
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: opposites a tract, and so we benefit when we cross pollinate.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Nature teaches it better than I ever could. Cross Pollination
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: creates fruitfulness. So the nectar that makes the peach didn't
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: always come from a peach. The more the bee buzzes
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: and goes around from flower to flower and brings it
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: back to the peach blossom, the more fruit we are
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: able to see the peanut was developed through hybrids. There's
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: all kinds of things that happen when we get out
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: of our boxes. And here's the other thing that you
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: alluded to that I think is important. It is the
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: onus is not always on the oppressed to reach to
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the Oppressorness is also on the oppressor to reach to
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: the oppressed, because that is disruption too.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Go both ways.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: It has to go both ways.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: And to get out of your comfortable silos and your
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: nice home and your big jet in your mansion and
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: take a walk in somebody else's yard and develop empathy.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: And we are losing empathy listen.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: We have lost our ability, I think to have civil discourse,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: which is losing a richness I think in what has
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: made us so great as a country, right.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Don't even get me started on it. Democracy hangs in
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the balance of our inability to communicate with our own citizens.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: We used to be afraid of people outside of our country.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Now we're afraid of people in our country. We used
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: to be little kids be afraid of grown people. Now
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: grown people are afraid of children. Look at the times
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: that we're living in now, Suicide rates rising amongst children,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: epidemic proportions, gun violence like it has never been in
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: the world before, and everybody just makes excuses and argues
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: about the solutions, but nobody makes steps to correct the
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: problem in either direction.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: In either direction, either direction. This is why I love
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: this book so much.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: It will help you as a parent, it will help
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: you as a spouse, It will help you as a leader,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: It will help you lead yourself. And I'm having an
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: amazing conversation, but I also want to make sure that
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: the audience is getting an opportunity to have a conversation.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: So Angelus says, Hi, Bishop, I can't wait to read
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: the book. How do you stay positive in such troubling times.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Personally, I'm a person of faith, so I draw a
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: lot of strength from my faith. I draw a lot
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: of strengths from my family, and I draw a lot
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: of strength from my own business. I do not depend
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: on that. Again, I draw a lot of stress from
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: my own business.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Business.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I am who I am, and I have
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: a sense of who I am, and I'm not at
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: the mercy of what you think about me to determine
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: what I think about me.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: That's business created. But it's good, comeb.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Business. I love this.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, Dominique, thank you for writing in. She wants to
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Dominique wants to know what is the definition of disruptive thinking.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Disruptive thinking is to break out of normatives that are
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: stifling to you. Disruptive thinking is this. This is the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: first computer that was ever made in between your two ears.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: It is the final frontier of privacy. Once a word
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: escapes my mouth, I'm not sure who will hear it.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: But once a thought is in my head, that is
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: a birth canal through which your next business, your next job,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: your next spouse, your next friend comes from the way
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: you think. If when we think better, we live better.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: When we think disruptively, we are not so isolated, insulated, introverted,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: a thread to come outside. It's it's a very dangerous
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: thing not to be willing to challenge your old ideas. Yeah,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: that's that's what it means. It's short to challenge your
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: old ideas. To have a talk with yourself. They're going
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: to think you're crazy. But have a talk with yourself
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: and say, the way I perceived it may not be
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: the way it is. It's just my point of view,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: just my point of it. That doesn't make it a facto.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Listen, that's a great setup for I want to play
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: another clip from the book Bishop.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: This is you talking about on that same line.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not here to set a goal for other people's lives.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I'm here to show you how to attain the goal
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: you set for your own life. If you don't like
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the life you are living, you have the power to
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: change it. It is inside of you. Fix it, Apologize,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: say you're sorry, do whatever it takes. If you don't
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: like it, be complicit in the transformation you are praying for.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Listen, talked about your mind being that last frontier, and
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: you talk about if you don't like what's in your
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: life fixing. And there's a lot of viewers out here
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: who I know where they're sitting because I've sat in
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: that seat where I have been miserable in a job,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: felt like I was stuck, couldn't get out right, And
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I remember a mentor saying to me, if you don't
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: like it, leave right, And.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: That sounded easy, but it felt hard.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, it feels. But if feelings are just that, they're feelings,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: they're not.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Facts, that's right, Okay.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: So the fact that I feel a fred or that
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I feel alone, or that I feel isolated doesn't mean
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that I am climb across all of that and discover
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: what's beyond how you feel about it, because feelings don't last.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Whatever you're feeling today, you're not going to feel it
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: next week.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: That's true, And I think I love how you liking
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: it too. In the book, you talk about you know,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: it's really your birthing process all over again. But it's
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: really about understanding that we have receipts, right, So when
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: we get to that hard part of our life, sometimes
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: it's just about remembering, oh, I've done.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Harder things right. Right.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: If you're a woman and have given birth, that was harder.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: If you bear the parent that was harder. Right, Anything
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: in life is receipts to let you know that you
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: were capable of doing the next hard thing.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: It's so funny you bring that up, because when my
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: mother died and I was forty years old at the time,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: it was a very difficult season, as it is for
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: most people when they lose their parent. When I got
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: to the other side of it, I realized, if I
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: can survive that, I can survive.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: You leave it if I yeah.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I can make it without you. So you can't threaten
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: me that I'm going to leave you, because I've seen
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: people leave and I made it.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: I didn't even think I was gonna make it.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the most important people.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: And the fact that I had intense feelings that said
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know how I'm gonna make it didn't mean
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: that I couldn't make it. So, whether it's a job,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: whether it's somebody's opinion, everybody likes to be like I
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: love to be like it. I love it of the
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: baby and my family. What you know, you're supposed to
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: You're supposed.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: To love me. You don't have it.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: You don't love me, you know Okay, that's my bible.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: But anyway, you know, yeah, bo, life doesn't work that way.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Eight billion people on the planet, eight billion people are
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: not going to agree with you about anything. Don't let
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: that stop you. If you are convinced that where you
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: are going it's where you are supposed to be, don't
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: let naysayers and detractors stop.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: You from exploring it.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Maybe you're wrong and you have to come back, that's
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: okay too, But at least you've answered your own questions.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I love that, and I think you know you talk
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: about that. The beauty of what's next is just beyond
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: that self.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Discovery exactly, And I think you do learn things about yourself.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Whatever you accomplish, attained, made, accrued, Uh, it will all
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: pass away. There are no U holes behind herses. Yeah,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: so you're going to leave all of it here anyway. Okay, So,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: but what does go with you all the way to
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the end is what you learned about it, even if
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: it was painful, even if it was a bad mistake,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: If you walked away from it richer in wisdom and
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: knowledge or creativity, you can preempt that from happening again
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: in your life and move forward because experience is power.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: So listen. You can have feelings.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: It's okay to acknowledge your feelings, but don't let them
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: lie to you about your ism.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Right right?
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Who I am, not how I feel. How I feel
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: fluctuates every day. But I wake up in the morning
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: not asking myself just how do I feel? But who
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: am I? And how do I present who I am
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: before this world today in a way that leaves a
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: contribution that outlives me and outlasts me.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I, I do know. I love that.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: There's a theme woven throughout the book around energy.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: You talk a lot about whether it's the energy you expend,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: but you also talk about the energy of the people
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: around you, and you talk about why it's important to
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: surround yourself with the people with the right energy.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Yes, people.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: That were cut a hole in the roof and lower you.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Down in exactly exactly.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Audience who doesn't know what we're talking about.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: You need people who are honest but uplifting. Yeah, okay,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about yes men or yes women. I
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: want to hear the truth. But there's a difference between
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: constructive and destructive criticism. Yeah, you want people who can
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: uplift you? And I use an illustration from the Bible
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: in the book talking about the four men who lifted
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: up the man who was sycho palsy. They lifted him,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: they carried him, they brought him to the roof, they
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: dropped him down, but once they got him to what
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: he needed, they packed away. Okay, So you have to
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: have people in your life and you have to ask
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: this question, is this relationship lifting me or pulling me down?
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Is it taking me forward or drawing me back? And
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: then start diminishing the time allotments that you allow people
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: to have access to you that are depleted you rather
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: than replenishing you. Wow, then you won't go emotionally bankrupt,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: psychologically deprived, or economically underserved.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Some of y'all get out a piece of paper right now,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: draw a line down the middle.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: On the left hand.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Side, list all the relationships that are feeding you, Yes,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: And on the right hand side, put all the relationships
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: that I needing you.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Yes. You took it right for me.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: And you will find that the list generally tends to
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: be longer of people who need you, and the list
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: is much shorter people who feed you. So you have
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: to be intentional about inviting people into your life that
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: feed you. First, you have to identify them. You walk
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: away from a conversation, you think that did something for me.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I feel better, I feel stronger. Then that's identifying them.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Then you have to invite them to continue to feed
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: you unless you become bankrupt out of a sense of
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: compassion a superman complex, I'll be there for you.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: A lot of us love that. I'm a loyalist to
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: my soul.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: And I will give myself away and give myself away
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: and give myself away.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: But I'm a limited resource, that's right, and I'm gonna
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: run out.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: So if I don't replenish myself by being around people
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: who inspire me, motivate me, and challenge me, then when
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: you do need me, I don't have the resources for you.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: And what's worse, I don't even have the resources for me.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: So how can I be disruptive?
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I can't be disrupted.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: I can't leap over the fence if I don't have
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: enough energy to do it.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: No, it's gonna take energy to harvest. We talk about
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: seed time and harvest. There is more work in the
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: harvest than there is in the planting, and so when
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: you come into a harvest season in your life, you
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: need the physicality, the energy, to intellect, the intelligence, the
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: emotional intelligence to be able. You'd be surprised how many
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: people wrecked opportunities, lost jobs they should have kept, went
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: out of business too soon, walked away from relationships he
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: could have stayed in because they lack the.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Energy to harvest.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Wow, they have a proclivity to in seeds, but they
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: don't know how to harvest and benefit from the seeds.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Come on, everybody doing energy check? Do an energy check?
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Do you have enough energy for your harvest?
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: I love this, that's it's so rich.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: You also talk about though, once we leap over the fence,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: sometimes we land in rooms where the energy is different
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: and as a disruptive Why should we should embrace that,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: even if it feels like a foreign.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Land, even if we're immigrants. Yes, in this new.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Territory, verbatim, you are going to be an immigrant. And
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: what's next, You're going to give up some power. When
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: you count to ten, you've gone as far as you
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: go can go. When you go to eleven, that's the
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: ability to be at one again. Yeah, twenty one is
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: the ability to be at one again, and so you
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: have to start again. Don't go to eleven expecting to
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: be treated like ten, because you have gone into a
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: new dimension, and at that new dimension, you've got to
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: go back to one again. Though it's at a higher level,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you still have to. You want to walk into rooms
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: that make you feel stupid. You want to walk in
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: the rooms whether people are so smart that you're scared
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: to say anything. You want to walk in the rooms
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: where you have to be an observer because that's the
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: only way you can grow.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, listen, I love this because you talk about that
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: in the book, and you also talk about, you know,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: the tuition cost. Yes, right, you talk about the cost
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: of being a disruptor to being these rooms that you know,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: and it's important that we also understand it. We go
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: in it with our minds and our eyes open about it.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: And you talk about you can't be a disruptive thinker
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: right while you're still trying to play kate folks from
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: your past, or trying to negotiate with people define you
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: by by their description of you. How do disruptors not
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: get delayed by these distractions?
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: First of all, I grew up in a little raggedy
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: house on the side of the hill in West Virginia.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: They finally put a bedroom upstairs in the attic from
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: my brother and I to have the same room and
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: separate from my sister, which was a great idea. I
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: love you, but you're very humble, Guineas. When we walked
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: up the steps every night, what I learn it's not
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the step you step on to that creaks. It's the
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: one you step away from. It's the one when you
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: when you pull your body weight off of where you were,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: that step creaks. So people hate you when you leave
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: my book. You see, when you start stepping up, the
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: step you're stepping into is not the squeaky one. The
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: one you step from is gonna squeak. And what we
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: do to stop the sound is go back. Ah okay,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: But what I'm challenging you is to let the squeak happen.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Come onience, that's the squeak happen, you know, keep going
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: up the steps, let the squeak happen.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, we are trying to manage things that are not
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: manageable and that are not fruitful. Even if you do manage,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: if you succeed at changing the mind of your detractor,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: what is surprise that you get. There is no reward
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: for them thinking differently about you.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: What the reward comes from is when you make progress
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: and go after what you're trying to go whether what
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: you're trying to go toward, maybe just trying to raise
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: your child, maybe just trying to have a good marriage,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: maybe just trying to get your business disrupted, all things
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: which are disruptive, completely disruptive. Anybody who's parented knows that's disruptive. Okay,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: anybody who's ever been married knows that's disruptive. You take
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: a job, it is not. You're not there to make friends.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: You're there to perform a service. Stop trying to feel
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: like everybody in the office has to be your friend.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: And then you confide, and then then you get angry
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: with them because they divulge what you confided. You gave
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: them the gun they shot you with. Understanding distinctions between
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: relationships are critical so that you don't over expect from
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: people who underperform.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Every leader, every business home, Yes, every coworker.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: I hope you caught that.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Now listen, that doesn't negate from you know, sometimes we
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: jump over these fences and the pain is real. Sometimes
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: we leap over a fence and break a leg. Yes,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: how do we make sure that we have the discernment
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: to know if we missed the mark or these are
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: just growing pains.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: They are growing pains. I mean, anytime you jump over
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the fence, there's gonna be pain. Whether it's emotional pain,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: whether it's detractors, whether it's gonna be learning pains. There's
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: gonna be pain. No pain is wasted every pain you've
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: been through. The funny thing I learned about pain is
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: my wife had a surgery. The doctor came and told
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: us the surgery was successful.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to walk.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: In there and see her sitting up grinned. Oh no,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: she's out like this, she's in pain. The pain doesn't
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: mean that the surgery wasn't successful. The pain doesn't mean
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: that she is in healing. The pain and sometimes we
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: embrace the pain as a sign that we failed. No,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: there's pain and healing. There's pain and recovery. There's pain
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: and staying married. There's pain and getting divorced.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Either way you go, there's pain.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: There's gonna be some pain. You know, if your parents
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: live a long time, there's gonna be pain. If they
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: don't there's gonna be pain, so we cannot allow our
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: fear of pain to diminish our desire to go forward.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, mister, if I can't argue with anything you said
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: except for one point, and that's when Mama Sourita is laid.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Up, I'm sure it's more dignified. I'm just saying.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: She was in pain. She is dignified. She's a very classy,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: late lady, I have to give you that. Yes, but
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: she was in pain and it was terrible pain, but
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: she was getting better.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: Yes, don't let the pain make you think.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: That pain make you think you're not getting better. Haley
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: wants to know what's the toughest pain you've been through.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Was it the loss of your mother?
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: That would be high ranking, That would be pretty high ranking.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: The loss of my father would have been very high.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Ranking, because that was it.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sixteen, Yeah, sixteen years old, I buried my father
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: in Mississippi. That was very difficult, life changing moment for me.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: It's hard to really find the greatest pain because life
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: will bring continual pain. There will be sunshine and there
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: will be rain, and the one thing that you can
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: know for sure is that pain will visit from time
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: to time, but as it comes, always look for the
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: gift in it, because somewhere in the hurt of it,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: there's always a gift from it. And you can choose
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: to focus on the hurt of it, or you can
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: pull the gift out of it. If it's nothing but experience,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: if it's nothing but a more discernment, there's always a
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: gift in it, you.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Sir, our gift this book has been a gift.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: That's what I wanted to do.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm not apologizing for the fact that I have
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: worn this book to It looks like.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: A rainbow caller say.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: All the different Some highlights are for me as Latasha
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: the professional leader. Some highlights are for Latasha the wife
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: of twenty five years, Latasha the mother. So I had
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: a color code Lasha I was talking to when I
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: read the book. The book is so good as wants
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: to know a book bishop, are you going to do
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: a book tour?
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I'm on it now. Yeah, I'm on it right now.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: So I'm on a book tour. I'm not going around
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: doing a book signing, okay, but I am going around
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: getting the word out because you can't make the decision
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: if I don't make it available.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: To you.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: So this is an opportunity, and thank you again for
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: having me on this huge platform to expose people that
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: the kind of messages that we need to hear. We
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: need to hear it in the gym, we need to
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: hear it in our headsets. We need to have it
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: by our bedside because we can't all go to counseling.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: That's right, okay, but this for me, this is counseling
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: in a bag. Yeah you know, it's counseling I can
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: carry with me to the beach. I can read it
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: in a taxi, yeah you know, and feeding my mind
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: because I don't always get to sit with mighty thinkers. Yes,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: to read mighty thinkers. It's the great inheritance of mentorship
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: because all I can give you is what I have experienced.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: That's right, That's all I have to offer.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: But I love that you also generous in the book,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: and that you also shared some of the folks who
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: have shaped you.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: You shared quotes from them, passages that made me want
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: to go read what else that they wrote? So thank
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: you for that.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, you said something that just reminded me around parenting,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: around parenting, a disruptive thinker.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Well, we have a tendency to think that the child
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: is being destructive because you gave me lines and told
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: me the color in them. Yeah, well, maybe I'm an
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: architect and I want to draw my own lines. You
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: have to watch your children closely to see what they
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: are naturally endowed with, and that you don't stifle that,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: but put them in environments for them to be tuctive.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: And sometimes just because they didn't follow the rules might
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: not be a sign that they are destructive. It might
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: be that they're a leader. Yeah, maybe they make the rules.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe they changed My son, my youngest son told me,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: he said, let's play Batman and Robin. I said, okay,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: let's play Batman and Robin. He said, you're Robin. I'm Batman.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: I thought, Lord Jesus, But you know what that was
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: telling me at an early age, at ten years old,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: he thinks of himself as a leader.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's not a bad thing. So why would
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I try to punish him? Yeah, from wanting to be Batman. Yeah,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to be Robin. But you know, sometimes
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: you gotta suffering too. Yeah.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yolanda wants to know, how do you begin to
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: see yourself as an entrepreneur.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: If you've never seen that before.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Baby steps. Don't quit your job and start a business
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: and you don't know what you're doing. Read books about it,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: get informed about it, try it as a hobby.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Do it on the side.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Let it gain momentum, Let it grow like an embryo
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: grows in the womb when it's time to be birth.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: You're going to feel it. It's going to consume so
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: much of you that the only thing you can do
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: is deliver it.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Ooh, come on, that's good. Secil. You wanted to know
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: what is your advice on how to get out of
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: your own head? I want to answer that. Get the book.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: If you want to get out of your own heads,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: so Soil, you get this book. Yes, it will help
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: you set yourself free.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Yes. Yes.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: And the other thing I would add to that, change
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the narrative that you're telling yourself. You're not talking to
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: yourself the right way. The things that you're saying to yourself.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: You've become the warden of your own prison. Yeah, because
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: your mind only thinks what you said to it. So
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: if you change the language to it that you speak
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: to yourself, I'm ugly, I'm fat, I'm too old.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: It's too late. I'm stupid. I have regret. So da
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: da da da.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Change the narrative, yeah, and start feeding yourself something that
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: says I survived it, I made it.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: Yes, I'm still here.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: It's why I wear this white beard. I died it
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: at first. I died at first because I wanted to
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: look young. And then I realized I earned this.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: I earned it. I earned this, and so.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Being a sage voice of wisdom is a crown to
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: my masculinity. It is a sign that I survived and
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: I don't see it as something to worry about now.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Other people make cause the decisions, But for me, I'm glad.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I Neither one of my grandfathers lived as long as me.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: My father died younger than me, at forty nine years old.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I'm happy. I'll be sixty six in June, and I
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: look up every now and say, Dad didn't look at me.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I'm still here, I'm still old, I'm still right now.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I'm still building. I'm still building off the things you
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: taught me in the shadows, I now manifest them in
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: the light. Because some of the greatest things that we
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: give to our children get to see in our lifetime.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: That's because some things take a long time to harvest.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: So he never heard me speak, he never saw me write,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: he never saw me do any of the things that
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: everybody knows me for. But he did plant some of
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: those seeds in you that caused me to come to fruition.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: And maybe in another lifetime we'll get.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: To talk about You can talk about it, I'm sure
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: you will. Let me tell you something. If you talk
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: about the narrative, you tell yourself.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I tell myself to shut up. So sometimes when listen,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: therapy is great. Listen, I feel like you need Jesus
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: in therapy to go hand in hand, or the deity
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: of your choice.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: But listen. For me, that's what works.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: And I remember a therapist saying, you can't control your
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: first thought, but you can control.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: How much energy you give to that first thought. Yes, right,
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: So those pop ups you can't stop, but you can
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: tell them to shut up.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I do it every night in order to go sleep,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: I have to tell myself relaxed, let it all go.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: There's always tomorrow. You can't fix everything that's right. You
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: can't let your body go limp and breathe. I have
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: to do that to go to sleep because my mind
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: is just just spinning and spinning and spinning. I'm a
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: creative and as a creative person, with the more exciting
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I get, the more creative I be coming in. And
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, we opened up the ils with
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: a hologram, I know, you know, yeah, and I insisted
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: on it. I thought for it, you know, because I'm
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: always thinking of another vehicle through which i can express myself.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: It was beautiful, it was listen.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: It was a great combination of technology, of leadership, the
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: spirituality of knowledge all coming together in that rich mix,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: as is this book.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: So, the book Disruptive Thinking comes out tomorrow on Amazon.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: You can order that.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: You can pre order the book today so you don't
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: have to wait till tomorrow. If you want to hear
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: the book in Bishop's voice, which as a whole different
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: meaning to me reading you passages, you can get it
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: on audible.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: We're so excited that he is a part of our family.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: Thanks.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: We're so happy that we have you in the Amazon family.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: That we can find your messages, your talks on free
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  Speaker 2: V and Prime Video.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm excited.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So if you don't have Prime video. If you
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• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Subscription, you can still find over three hundred hours of
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• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Sure you get disruptive thinking. Bishop.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Thank you for being here today, but more importantly, thank
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: you for writing the book to help some of us
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: feel seen, to give us the language yes right, and
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: how we can get free to do the things that
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: we know we are purpose on.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: This earth to do.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I must say thank you to you, and also thank
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: you to Amazon for creating a space for me in
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: the Amazon family.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: How disruptive was that?
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, to say, we want you to come
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: as your authentic self, as your preaching self. Didn't ask
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: me to change garments, and we will take three hundred
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: hours of you preaching and put it on Amazon. I thought,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: are you serious? I mean, just like straight out preaching, Yes,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: straight out preaching. You don't just want my movies or
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: my films or my interviews. They said, we'll take that too,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: but we don't want you. Ohso I can come with
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: the fullness of myself. It's so rare when you're a
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: disruptive thinker that people can accommodate the fullness and the vastness.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Of the way you think, and we feel like these
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: are just early days.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: There's so many more things to tap into, as I
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: talked about in your intro, all the various things that
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: tdj's Enterprises is doing in the world. We can't wait
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: to continue to grow our relationship. I'm excited, Yes, we're
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: excited to thank you, Bishop, Thank you so much, appreciate
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: it all right, make sure you check out The Carousel
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: by Bishop's current book, as well as some of his
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: previous work. And we appreciate you being here with us
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: today on Amazon Live. And we hope that you too
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: will embrace becoming a disruptive thinker.