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Brewsers #395- Evil Kip Stevens · Brewsers

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Bruisers, a podcast about beer, coffee, booze, and Bruisers.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Rory John, and today we talk to
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  Speaker 1: Evil Kip Stevens. We talk about how he got into wrestling,
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  Speaker 1: how he is the greatest, and so much more. I
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  Speaker 1: could talk all day about Evil Kip Stevens, but obviously
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  Speaker 1: you want to hear from him first. So, without further ado,
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  Speaker 1: here is Evil Kip Stevens. I would like to welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the show Evil Kip Stevens. How are you doing tonight, sir?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing better than you, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Probably so. I mean, I imagine. I hope so, anyway.
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  Speaker 2: There's no probably. That's definitely the case.
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  Speaker 3: I know this is audio-only, but I am looking at
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  Speaker 3: your pathetic setup, and I can just tell I am
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  Speaker 3: doing much better in life than you are.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, without a doubt. I'm struggling, as most Americans are,
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  Speaker 1: but you're not here to listen to me. We want
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  Speaker 1: to hear about you. You don't want to hear about me.
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  Speaker 2: That's very accurate.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Well, like you said, this is audio only. So kind
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  Speaker 1: of paint us a word picture. Where are you at
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  Speaker 1: and what's going on around you?
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  Speaker 3: Right now I'm in my kitchen and I was going
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  Speaker 3: to have a beautiful dinner and then, oh crap, I
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  Speaker 3: have you messaging me. You agreed to this podcast. I've
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  Speaker 3: given you money to do this. And normally I would
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  Speaker 3: just take the money and run. But I also like
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  Speaker 3: to spread my evil voice to as many people as possible.
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  Speaker 2: So that's why I decided to put.
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  Speaker 3: Dinner on hold, and educate you and the masses that
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  Speaker 3: are listening to this episode.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that. We will try to do everything we
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  Speaker 1: can on our end to make sure Uber Eats at
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  Speaker 1: least shows up by the time this is over, so
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  Speaker 1: that way you have some substance in your body afterwards.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and thank God you paid me in advance.
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  Speaker 1: It's the only way to do it, be able to
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  Speaker 1: pay them in advance. You don't want to have them
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  Speaker 1: wait afterwards for it.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, it took him months to accumulate
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  Speaker 3: the amount that I am charging for this interview as well.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It took me a very long time. Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: the inflation is not great and we're not in a
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  Speaker 1: great economy and especially here in America.
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  Speaker 3: So. Yes. And like I said, looking at the dump
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  Speaker 3: you're living in, I can only imagine the amounts of
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  Speaker 3: odd jobs you had to do to accumulate that wealth.
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  Speaker 1: Well, as soon as we're done here, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to be hopping back in my car and doing
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  Speaker 1: more Ubers and Uber Eats. So yes, you know, I'll
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  Speaker 1: do what I can.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm doing air quotes. Yes. We all that's what,
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  Speaker 3: that's what he wants to say.
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  Speaker 2: He's making his money on, but we know it's something else.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: As long as something's going in somebody's mouth and somebody's
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  Speaker 1: getting paid for it. It's fine. So let's go all
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  Speaker 1: the way back in time. What is your earliest memory
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  Speaker 1: of wrestling?
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  Speaker 3: So my earliest memory has to be what got me
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  Speaker 3: into wrestling.
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  Speaker 2: I was seven years old.
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  Speaker 3: And as a young kid, I was always a little
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  Speaker 3: adventurous and I was climbing up a tree and I
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  Speaker 3: fell out of that tree and I cracked two thirds
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  Speaker 3: of my skull.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Talk about it. And that summer, uh, I wasn't allowed
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  Speaker 3: to do any physical activity because of that traumatic head injury.
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  Speaker 2: They want me to heal.
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  Speaker 3: So when you're seven years old, all you want to
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  Speaker 3: do is sports and run around and play baseball or,
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  Speaker 3: you know, do things with friends and you're not allowed,
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  Speaker 3: you have to find something to kill time. And that
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  Speaker 3: was when I first saw wrestling on TV. Like I
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  Speaker 3: had a vague, like I heard about wrestling, but I
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  Speaker 3: never actually sat down and watched it. And it was
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  Speaker 3: to date myself the year it was right around, um,
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  Speaker 3: it was built up was to SummerSlam 1990. And I
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  Speaker 3: remember watching, um, WWF superstars and the opening with the
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  Speaker 3: ultimate warrior with the championship. And he's just harnessing lightning
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  Speaker 3: into his body.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I have to watch this.
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  Speaker 3: The bushwhackers being a part of that episode. I like,
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  Speaker 3: it was just like, what I, I don't know what
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  Speaker 3: specifically hooked me, but it had to be the ultimate warrior.
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  Speaker 3: And I remember seeing that summer slain 1990 pay-per-view and,
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  Speaker 3: It was taped on VHS for me. And I wore
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  Speaker 3: that sucker out. And that was a great pay-per-view. The
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  Speaker 3: Hart Foundation versus Demolition, two out of three falls was awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Hogan versus Earthquake was awesome. Ultimate Warrior versus Rick Root
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  Speaker 3: in a cage. I was hooked from that point forward.
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  Speaker 3: I love that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, how did you end up finding out there was
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  Speaker 1: other wrestling out there? Because, you know, I think we're
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  Speaker 1: the same age. And so, Back then, it was you
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  Speaker 1: had to flip through channels, or if you were lucky
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  Speaker 1: enough to go to the Blockbuster, they had other wrestling there.
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  Speaker 1: So how did you end up finding there was other
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  Speaker 1: wrestling out there?
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  Speaker 2: I would say the same way.
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  Speaker 3: Again, flipping through the channels and all of a sudden
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  Speaker 3: discovering world championship wrestling. And it was still considered NWA
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  Speaker 3: wrestling at the time, too. And seeing Sting and Sting
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  Speaker 3: was another, like when you're a kid, wow, look at
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  Speaker 3: this guy with the face pain and the muscles. But
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  Speaker 3: even as a young kid, I gravitated more toward WWF
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  Speaker 3: because I was a small kid and they were more
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  Speaker 3: over the top characters. Whereas WCW were kind of like
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  Speaker 3: guys I envisioned my dad being friends with. But as
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  Speaker 3: I got older, you know, I appreciated that as well.
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  Speaker 3: And it was cool because as I've, skipping ahead many years,
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  Speaker 3: but being in the professional wrestling business and meeting a
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  Speaker 3: lot of those people on both sides of the track,
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  Speaker 3: so to speak, it's really awesome. And I grew to
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  Speaker 3: appreciate world championship wrestling a lot more, especially in the mid-90s.
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  Speaker 3: And as a wrestler now, I love watching old Jim
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  Speaker 3: Crockett promotions wrestling. Yeah, right. Hold on, I'm talking.
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  Speaker 2: Don't cut me off.
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  Speaker 3: You might be the host, but this is my episode.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: So now, to agree with you, there was a blockbuster
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  Speaker 3: in my neighborhood and then seeing the old VHS tapes
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  Speaker 3: and being like, oh my god, Ultimate Warrior and Hulk
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  Speaker 3: Hogan faced each other?
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  Speaker 2: I have to see this.
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  Speaker 3: And renting some of the old WCW tapes. It really
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  Speaker 3: was a trip and I'm going to do something clickbaity.
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  Speaker 3: I know on the internets and the Twitters, and it's
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  Speaker 3: still called Twitter, it's very tribalistic where you'll have people
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  Speaker 3: draw their line in the sand for either WWE or
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  Speaker 3: AEW or New Japan. But when I was a kid,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't care if it was wrestling. I was watching it,
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  Speaker 3: and that's kind of stuck with me my whole life.
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  Speaker 3: If it's wrestling, I'm watching it. So if it's WWE, TNA,
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  Speaker 3: New Japan, AW, I may not be plopping my butt
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  Speaker 3: down and watching it. I'm dedicating 8 to 10 to
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  Speaker 3: watch it live, but I'll keep up with as much
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  Speaker 3: as possible.
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  Speaker 2: If it's wrestling, I enjoy it.
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  Speaker 3: And it's a great time to, if you're a fan
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  Speaker 3: of wrestling, to be a fan because it's so accessible now.
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  Speaker 3: So you can watch all the other trash wrestlers, or
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  Speaker 3: you can be smart and watch evil kit matches and
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  Speaker 3: really see what good wrestling is all about.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, I've said it multiple times on the show
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  Speaker 1: that if I were growing up now as a kid,
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  Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have friends outside the internet because I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't leave the house because I could just watch wrestling
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  Speaker 1: all day. Literally from everything that was, hell, even all
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  Speaker 1: the way back to the 50s. And now you could
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  Speaker 1: have multiple screens on watching multiple wrestling because You'd be
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  Speaker 1: watching stuff from Nebraska, or you could be watching the
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  Speaker 1: latest AEW, or literally every single day of the week,
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  Speaker 1: there is wrestling, whether it be AEW, WWE, Ring of Honor, MLW, TNA.
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  Speaker 1: And again, like you said, New Japan, which is going
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  Speaker 1: through the G1 right now, which is everyone loves what's
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  Speaker 1: going on with the G1. And so there is so
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  Speaker 1: much accessibility when it comes to wrestling that it is
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  Speaker 1: funny hearing how many people in the industry now Yes,
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  Speaker 1: they'll kind of keep up with what's going on now
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  Speaker 1: just to see, you know, friends or how big companies
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  Speaker 1: are doing. But everyone is seem to be watching older
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  Speaker 1: wrestling to kind of get ideas and say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because nostalgia will always be huge. And so now if
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  Speaker 1: they could bring that back and be like, hey, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to work a Tito Santana match or we're going
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  Speaker 1: to work a, you know, a even a.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody, any tag team, any wrestler from the back in
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  Speaker 1: the day, they're like, oh, I'm going to start including
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  Speaker 1: that in my matches now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Evil Kip looks at himself as a student of
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  Speaker 3: the game. And if I was doing what everybody else
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  Speaker 3: is doing, either on the indies or in the major promotions,
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  Speaker 3: then I'm just a dime a dozen. But I always
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  Speaker 3: like to look to the past and see something and
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  Speaker 3: be like, oh, how can Evil Kip put his spin
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  Speaker 3: on that? Mm-hmm. Oh, Rick Martel did this, but you
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  Speaker 3: could do this and do it more vicious because Rick
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  Speaker 3: Martel sucks and I could kick his ass.
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  Speaker 2: He's looking like the Crypt Keeper lately. But that's the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: But back in the day, you know evil kit might
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  Speaker 3: have had a little bit of a sweat worked up
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  Speaker 3: against him and what did he what did somebody like
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  Speaker 3: him do and what can i take from it and
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  Speaker 3: make it my own uh that's the that's what i
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  Speaker 3: find to be fun about wrestling as a wrestler yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah Well, so I saw that you were trained by
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  Speaker 1: Mikey Whipwreck. How did you find his school and what
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  Speaker 1: do you, what do you think you learned the most
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  Speaker 1: from being trained under him?
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  Speaker 3: Uh, so I think cage match says I was trained
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  Speaker 3: by Mikey Whipwreck and that.
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  Speaker 2: Is a bit of a misnomer.
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  Speaker 1: Um, classic cage match.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, it's okay. I'll clarify, uh, with the long,
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  Speaker 3: with a very long answer. So thank you only because
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  Speaker 3: we got time. Uh, I was working, uh, at a
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  Speaker 3: trade show. There was, um, a fitness guy named John
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  Speaker 3: based out. He used to have infomercials on TV all
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  Speaker 3: the time and I was his assistant. So I was
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  Speaker 3: working that trade show. And at that trade show, uh,
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  Speaker 3: there was a wrestling booth for New York wrestling connection,
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  Speaker 3: which is Mikey Whipwreck's, uh, school, like where he was
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  Speaker 3: the trade. And, uh, I was like, oh, I should
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  Speaker 3: talk to these guys. And they were like, they were
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  Speaker 3: showing some of their shows and I got to meet
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  Speaker 3: a few of the wrestlers and I got to meet
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  Speaker 3: their champion at the time, Dickie Rods. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he was really nice to me and we're talking and
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  Speaker 3: he's like, oh, wow, you should come to one of
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  Speaker 3: our shows. And I don't know what prompted me to
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  Speaker 3: just ask him, but I was just like, hey, it'd
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  Speaker 3: be really cool if you had a school because I
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  Speaker 3: would love to learn how to be a wrestler. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know how I convinced myself to say that. You're laughing,
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  Speaker 3: but at the time I was maybe 115 pounds.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Athletic ability of a slug, uh, not be, you know,
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  Speaker 3: being generous. And again, like I never had that dream
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  Speaker 3: as a kid to be a wrestler because I never
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  Speaker 3: in a million years thought I could do something like that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I, I couldn't envision myself in the same
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  Speaker 3: ring as an Ultimate Warrior or Hulk Hogan. I don't
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  Speaker 3: look like them or even later, I will never be
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  Speaker 3: as good as Bret Hart or I can never be
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  Speaker 3: Chris Jericho or as buff and intimidating as The Undertaker
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  Speaker 3: or Triple H. I couldn't foresee myself in the same
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  Speaker 3: shoes as them. The only time I started having those
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  Speaker 3: thoughts is when I discovered independent wrestling and went to
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  Speaker 3: a Ring of Honor show. And I was seeing that
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  Speaker 3: show literally with people not that tall, not that muscular.
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  Speaker 3: And when I saw Colt Cabana's match, the way that
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  Speaker 3: he was kind of winking at the fourth wall of
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  Speaker 3: wrestling and interacting with the, even the first wrestler that
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  Speaker 3: I saw that I was like, okay, I can't be
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  Speaker 3: this guy's guy, but I can be him.
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  Speaker 2: Being very sarcastic and interactive.
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  Speaker 3: And then like, Discovering that not only is there just
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  Speaker 3: Ring of Honor, but there's independent wrestling all over the place.
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  Speaker 2: And I never knew this world existed.
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  Speaker 3: So going back to the trade show, I asked about
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  Speaker 3: to Dickie Rods, the champion of NYWC at the time,
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  Speaker 3: if they had a school.
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  Speaker 2: He was like, oh yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe you should join the school. And I couldn't
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  Speaker 3: believe that he didn't laugh me out of the building.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, you have a lot of passion.
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  Speaker 2: You know, give it a shot.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't believe that a wrestler was telling, encouraging me
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  Speaker 3: to become a wrestler. So from there, I saw one
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  Speaker 3: of their training classes, went to one of their shows
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  Speaker 3: and I'm like, I got to do this. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know how at the time I scrounged up the money.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how I convinced myself to try this.
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  Speaker 3: It was the hardest thing I ever had to do,
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  Speaker 3: but I joined the New York wrestling school. Uh, At
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  Speaker 3: the time, the head trainer there was Crusher Dugan. Mikey
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  Speaker 3: just like, I was like the first class, like part
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  Speaker 3: of the first class at the school that wasn't trained
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  Speaker 3: by Mikey. He just left. So he was at every show.
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  Speaker 3: He knew who I was pretty much right away, but
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't directly trained under him. So like the class
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  Speaker 3: before me was with Alex Reynolds and John Silver. Classes
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  Speaker 3: before them, Radha, Tony Nese and a bunch of other people,
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  Speaker 3: like a guy named Dan Dynasty, who was very helpful
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  Speaker 3: to me. So it was a lot of like their
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  Speaker 3: students and like people who went on to do greater things.
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  Speaker 3: And there was always that weird disconnect of the people
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  Speaker 3: who were trained by Mikey and the people who weren't.
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  Speaker 3: And it was always weird because I can't help what
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  Speaker 3: I joined.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a frustrating thing.
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  Speaker 3: And it took a long time for, to earn Mikey's
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  Speaker 3: trust and respect in the ring. And on top of it,
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  Speaker 3: when I first started, I was terrible, uncoordinated. And it
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  Speaker 3: was like the tail end of when the wrestlers were
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  Speaker 3: trying to be tough on you to see if you
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  Speaker 3: could last. And again, like, and especially since at first,
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  Speaker 3: like I was nervous and over-talking and people did not
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  Speaker 3: like me.
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  Speaker 2: They were like, well, this kid is a joke.
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  Speaker 3: He's never going to get it. He's never going to last.
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  Speaker 3: He's never going to make it. And, you know, so
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  Speaker 3: they were very tough on me at first. But the
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  Speaker 3: joke's on them because not only did I last, I
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  Speaker 3: probably did more in wrestling than a lot of the
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  Speaker 3: other people who were my contemporaries and people who were
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  Speaker 3: before me.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, I mean, right now you're seeing almost 20
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  Speaker 1: years in the business where a lot of people are
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  Speaker 1: lucky to have five or six years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, they're all pathetic and they're all quitters. Unlike me, who's,
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  Speaker 3: you know, great, who became great and did great things.
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  Speaker 1: And you're still doing great things as well, considering now
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  Speaker 1: you've joined commentary as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Evil Kip gets the last laugh. And that's, like
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  Speaker 3: you mentioned, doing commentary as well. That was a goal
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  Speaker 3: I had. So, again, this is a very non-linear conversation.
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  Speaker 3: At CreativePro, one of the owners is Brian Myers, a.k.a. Kirkham.
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  Speaker 3: And one thing he has everyone do every year is
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  Speaker 3: write goals that you have for the year.
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  Speaker 2: And for a few years.
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  Speaker 3: One of my goals was commentary. All I wrote was
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  Speaker 3: commentary because I always felt that Evil Kip would be
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  Speaker 3: great on commentary. That's what I went to college for.
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  Speaker 3: I have a degree in mass communications. It's something that
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  Speaker 3: I always knew I could be an asset for.
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  Speaker 2: And then VPW.
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  Speaker 3: A few shows they put me in the commentary booth
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  Speaker 3: and it was something that I greatly enjoyed and I
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  Speaker 3: know I'm great but I also know that I can
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  Speaker 3: be greater and I like challenges and I set a
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  Speaker 3: high bar for myself and if I don't clear that
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  Speaker 3: bar then I just want to keep doing it and
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  Speaker 3: getting better at it so it's a goal that AI
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  Speaker 3: achieved this year and now Next year, my goal is
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  Speaker 3: going to be, okay, commentary at more than one place.
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  Speaker 3: Do a match and do a match on commentary at
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  Speaker 3: more places. I like to be as valuable as possible.
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  Speaker 3: This way I can charge as much as possible. And
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  Speaker 3: I feel I'm worth every penny. All these promoters spend
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  Speaker 3: money on trash wrestlers. That's not the case with Evil Kip.
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  Speaker 3: At least you'll be paying an exorbitant fee, but you
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  Speaker 3: will get that in return.
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  Speaker 1: With obviously your years of experience, and obviously, like you said,
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  Speaker 1: you can not only wrestle, but then you can do
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  Speaker 1: commentary either before or after or even during the match.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, God. Evil Kip would love to get on
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  Speaker 3: commentary during an Evil Kip match because finally there'll be
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: a good wrestler that Evil Kip can commentate on.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Finally, they would have somebody in the ring that's
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: worth your time of actually commentating over.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: And again, like, on top of it, whoever else is
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: doing commentary is usually garbage as well, so I can
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: shut them up. And I'll class the person I'm in
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: the ring with and I'll class people on commentary simultaneously. Really,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: this is multiverse stuff here.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I think you just walking in the building usually is,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: you're already better than the commentators that are just sitting
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: there anyway.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: I'm better than the commentators, the other wrestlers, and the promoter.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: The promoters are useless fools.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: And I'm amazed that they can string together a coherent sentence.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: thank God they bring me on their show to at
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: least have one presentable athlete on there. Right.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the promoters are normally eating all the catering that
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: they provided probably just for themselves and then not paying
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: you until probably after the show as well.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: By catering, you mean when they go to 7-Eleven and
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: are scarfing down like a disgusting sandwich that's dripping on
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: their shirt? That's the catering I see normally. Yeah, the
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: rolling hot dogs? Yeah. Yeah, thank God Evil Kip eats
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: well and, you know, brings meals that are prepared by
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: a world-class chef. This way, if Evil Kip wants to
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: enjoy a meal before his match, it's going to be
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: something high-class as opposed to slot. Right.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: And good for your body as well, because obviously you're
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: paying this person the money. They've got to keep that
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: body in shape.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: I've been to shows where promoters will be like, oh,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I provided pizza. And I look at A, the promoter,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: like a friggin' moron. And I look at all the
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: other wrestlers like morons, like they're pigs in a trough.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: You want to eat cheese and oil and have that
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: all in your stomach. And you think you're going to
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: wrestle well. Oh, but thank you, Mr. Promoter for trying
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: to poison my body.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Ain't going to happen. Ain't going to happen.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: But again, all these other quote unquote athletes just, Oh yeah,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: I'll have three slices.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Real wise decision. Fools.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Enjoy yourself pooping in the ring later.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Amongst other things.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, plus the smell coming off those guys,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: you know, after they've eaten that pizza is even worse.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: How am I going to grapple when you have oily fingers?
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: It's bad enough they have baby oil on them, let
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: alone pizza grease.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Baby oil is the least of my concerns with some
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: of these slops.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, most of them probably don't even wash their gear.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: That's another story for another day.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Well, so, I mean, we touched on it. You all
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: have been spending almost 20 years in this industry. What
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: do you kind of feel what your legacy is of
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: what you've done in this ring?
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: That's not for evil Kip to decide.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: It never has been, never will be, uh, I remember
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: years ago, there was an article when I was in
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: a different character and a different phase of my life,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: when I was the one tough nerd, Francis Kipling Stevens.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: And somebody, I can't even remember the person's name, but
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: wrote an article about the worst wrestlers in the New
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: York Independence, and they put me on there. And people
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: at the time were concerned about me, like, oh, Kip's
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: going to take this hard. And then I remember going
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: to a show and five people came up to me
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: and were like, Oh, who are you wrestling today? Cause
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: I want to have a match with you. And then I,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: you know, laughed about that. Cause I'm like, Oh, this
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: is a great, like one person is a moron writes
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: an article about me, but actual wrestlers who are in
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: the industry wants to wrestle me because they know they'll
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: have a great match with me. So again, one person
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: in my legacy was nothing, but. For other people, they
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: might feel I was a great wrestler or a great
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: mentor or the best antagonist on the independent scene in
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Long Island or somebody who character. There's so many ways
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: you could describe me. And again, that's up to you.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I don't care. Some people will swear up and down
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: about my abilities. Other people will be jealous of me
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: and try and drag me down. Evil Kip never cares.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Evil Kip just does what he's always wanted to do
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: in wrestling. And by doing it my way, I've achieved
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: more than I ever thought possible.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I love that. That's a great answer. Well, I mean,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: you kind of said it. Well, yeah, you said it.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: That's why it's a great answer. Just making sure that
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: you know how great you are.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, I already know.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough. Well, I mean, you touched on how
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: there are people that do come to you for wisdom
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: or for advice sometimes. But when you were coming up,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: and I mean, maybe even still now, who are some
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: veterans that you've kind of, have helped you out along
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: the way?
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: That's interesting because at first, everybody was trying to get
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: me to quit. But again, I was just desperate for anything.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: And when I finally did get crumbs, it was so appreciative.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: One crumb was from a wrestler named Bruno Marciano, one
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: thing he's are we allowed to use profanity podcast go
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: for it i said hey i just i go i'm
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: struggling what can i do and he told me best
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: thing you do is shut the fuck up i'm like
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: what and he was like seriously you're pissing everybody off
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: just shut the fuck up you make a mistake just
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: nod your head and then do better next time and
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: it's it might have been like Some people might have
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: been rattled and butthurt by that, but I was like, okay,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: let me do that. And it was actually helpful because
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: then I stopped pissing people off unintentionally. At NYWC, it
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: was set up where I mentioned Crusher Dugan was kind
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: of like the trainer who would show you all the
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: basics and how to execute moves and beginner stuff. But
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: After class and after cardio, then it became open ring time,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: and that's when all the veterans would wrestle. And eventually,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: if you got good enough, you'd be allowed to do
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: open ring. And that was always kind of like a
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: first goal, like, oh, I want to do open ring.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: And I remember, like, wrestling Tremperetta and Tony Nese and
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Alex Reynolds and John Silver and just being in the
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: ring with those... I mean, they all went on to
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: do amazing things. And just being in the ring with them,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: you can't help but learn by osmosis. And even when
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: you mess up, hey, this is what you're doing wrong.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: This is what you have to do better. And at
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: the time, NYWC would bring in, like, we'd have seminars
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: with Eugene and Mike Mondo. And Mike Mondo is somebody
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: who I can't say enough great things about. I learned
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: probably the most from him than anybody in wrestling. I
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: learned stuff from him at the beginning of my career.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: And then when he became a trainer at the time,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: I was also helping train the students.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Me and him got really.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Close and I learned so much from him about like
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: philosophy and how to lead a match. It was, I
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: can't say enough things about Mike Mondo as a trainer,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: but Matt Stryker would come down to NYWC because he
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: wants to get reps in. So did Brian Myers. And
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: I became really close with him. Pat Buck, Matt Cardona.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: And again, like I can't even, we had a Dean
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Malenko seminar back in the day seminar. I'm trying to
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: think about all the Dr. Tom Pritchard, Norman Smiley. We
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: just had a plethora of people at the time that
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: would come in and you know, just being able to,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I wasn't looking to get a selfie with them. I
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: was looking to just more be looked at as a
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: peer with them and any little thing that they said,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: it was gold to me.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: And I still hold that true.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Now at creative pro, I create a pro we've had
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: seminars with Arne Anderson, Tyson kid with we were going to, geez,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: there's so.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Many, like I'm, I'm going blind.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, Frankie Kazarian, Eric Young. Those two were really great.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: And I always take one thing from every seminar to
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: this day.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: And then I'll even go.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Out to outside seminars. Dropkick Depression held a Simon Gotch seminar.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: I always.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Evil Kip wants to be the best wrestler possible.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: And... It's a derelict of duty to myself if I'm
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: not investing in myself. So making sure I'm going to
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: seminars and picking people's brains, it helps. And conversely, if
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: there's ever people who want my advice, after I charge them,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: I'm able to pass on some of that advice that
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: I learned onto them. And that's just my way of
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: making wrestling better, or at least in the vision that
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: I see.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, better than when you found it.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: That's... that's what you should be doing all over the
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: place this is.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: True well i mean you've been in the industry for
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: so long and show days can be very long what
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: are some standards you always have in your bag for
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: show days.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Or some what i have in my bag.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Some standards you always have in your bag.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not understanding your question what do you mean by
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: standards If.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: We were to look in your bag during show day,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: what would be normally always in there? Would it be tape, gear, obviously,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: maybe some backup gear, food, drink, whatever it is, chargers?
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Really, ironically, back in the day, I used to have
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: a CD that would have my theme music on it,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: and that shows you.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, I mean, I travel light.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: I'll have my gear bag, which will just have what
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I'm wearing for the day. Uh, and maybe like a
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: change of like shorts and a shirt just to like,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: you know, before the show, if I want to roll around,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: I'm able to do it comfortably. My knee pads, I'll
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: have a bag with my merchandise shirts, eight by tens buttons, uh, stickers,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: trading cards, comic book, a comic.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Book, a poster.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Uh, those are like, I guess the essentials. I mean,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: usually if I'm going to get, I don't like to
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: eat heavy food. before a match like i mentioned earlier
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: people want to look like a slob that's on them
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: even kip wants to look good uh if i if
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: i'm getting something to eat before a show i usually
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: go to a supermarket beforehand i'll get like you know
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: a banana and an orange like i'll eat some fruit
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: just to have something like a little bit of a
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: sugar spike but nothing crazy uh the i guess the
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: biggest essential will be trying to get a cup of
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: coffee in me before the show starts and then uh
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: The real treat, especially if I have a long drive,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: is I'll have sunflower seeds, a protein bar, and a
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: cup of coffee for the drive home. And I'll be
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: playing a podcast, and that'll keep me keep me going for,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: for hours on end.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I love it. There we go. Well, so I have
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: a segment on a show. I call it the five count.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: It's just five random questions.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, how creative.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Number one, what song do you car karaoke to?
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: I have an eclectic range, but Oasis is my favorite band.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: So it's, Any Oasis song, I can usually rock out
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: to that. But I'll throw a random one in there. ABBA,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: I've been listening to a lot lately. And again, sometimes
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: if Katy Perry's Roar comes on, I heard it. And
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: I'll just jokingly sing to it. So again, like my
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: main music at Power Alley will be like 90s alternative
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: grunge music and mostly rock music. But every now and again,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: like a top 40 pop hit will come on and
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: I'll sing it too just to get a laugh out
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: of myself and anybody else who rides with me.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I love that. Number two, if you owned a liquor company, brewery, winery,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: coffee shop or dispensary, which one would you own and
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: what would the name be?
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: It would definitely be a coffee shop because I don't
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: drink alcohol. I know you're all the brewery.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: You're all alcoholics and pathetic in my eyes. Coffee shop.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: And just to be a jerk, I'd probably call it
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: it's five o'clock somewhere.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Okay. That's really good.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: I like that.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Number three, who is the last person you fanboyed out on?
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I don't really fanboy out. anymore.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: When I first got into wrestling, and again, the first
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: time Matt Stryker came to training my first month, I
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, a WWE superstar is here.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: And same thing the first time I met Brian Myers
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: and Matt Cardona, it was kind of like that.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, the Major Brothers are here. It was
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: before I met him.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: But then getting to know Brian and he would bring
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: around the people he knew. It kind of wears off quickly. Again,
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: you get that mindset of, I want to be a
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: peer with somebody.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Like a fanboy.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Going back to this, I'm trying to think.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Here would be a good one. I did AEW....
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Actually, I'll give two stories then. I did AEW extra
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: work at World's End and Sting had a match. But
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: it was after his match and he's walking by me
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: and like a little kid, I was like, great job, Stinger.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: So I guess that's a fanboy experience. And I did
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: TNA extra work at Slammiversary at the UBS Arena. And
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Landstorm is an agent there. I went up to him
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: and just told him how much I enjoyed his work.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: I always thought that Landstorm was probably like.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: One of the most perfect wrestlers in so many ways.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: He was very smooth. He had great size, great ability.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: And people would say his promos, but I always thought
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: his character fit his promos. And I'm such a huge
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Jericho fan too. Jericho I thought was a perfect package
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: as well, but I always thought Lance Storm had a
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: little bit more fundamentally sound matches. I guess I marked
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: out a bit for Lance Storm. The fact that I
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: had to tell him how much I appreciated his work.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: He was probably like, I'm busy trying to agent matches.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Why are you talking to me, young man?
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: What are you going to do?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Number four, who or what inspires you?
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Currently or?
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Just in life.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Wrestling inspires me.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: I still appreciate the art of wrestling. I still appreciate,
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: I'll take it for granted that I'm doing something that
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: most people don't have the guts to do. I don't
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: take for granted that it was something I didn't think
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: was possible before. It's something I don't take for granted
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: that as a young kid, I never thought possible. Or
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: when I first started training that I was like, I'm
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: never going to get this. And I am blown away
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: of everything that I've achieved and everything that I have
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: yet to achieve. So that's inspiring. And again, like I
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: want to also make as much money as possible and
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: be successful as possible this way. One day I could
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: have a future dog acreage and just be able to
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: own tons of dogs. So then maybe that's, as well
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: our future goal is to own and take care of
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: as many dogs as possible.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I love that and number five what would you tell
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: your 17 year old self.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: You're you're so 17 year old me was.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Not in a good place and now 17.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Year old me hey You know what's funny? You think
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: you're in a bad place now. Things are going to get.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: A million times worse for you as well. Things don't
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: always get better. But there's going to be times where
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: things do. There's going to be ups and downs. And
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: there's things that are going to happen in your life
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: that you don't see coming. Bad things and good things.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: It's all part of the journey. It's all part of
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: the process.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: And that's okay.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: There's going to be days where you're going to have
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: to wake up and embrace the suck and keep your
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: head up high and just work your way through it.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: And there's going to be other days that you're not
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: going to want to go to sleep because you're in
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: the best times possible. No matter what, none of it lasts,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: and that's okay. Just keep moving forward every single day.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: And when you start enjoying coffee, love every cup of coffee.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: That's perfect. Well, I mean, the time is about to
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: run out for us because again, I am very cheap
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: and I only paid for a certain amount of time.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: So I will thank you ahead of time and I
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: will make sure to put all your social medias on
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the show. So that way anybody and everybody can follow you,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: support you and buy all of your merch. Thank you
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: so much to Kip Stevens for being on the show. Again,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: obviously follow him on social media because he is the greatest,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: and you need to, and you are doing yourself an
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: injustice if you're not. So obviously support him, buy all
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: of his merch, maybe two or three times over. It
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: is about to be the holiday time, so might as
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: well put it out there that everyone is getting something
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