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BONUS Episode: Sidney Outlaw P1 / Mixed Martial Arts / Navigating Highs and Lows / Training · Come Together with Ephraim Herschmann

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Welcome to another episode of Come Together.
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Sid Outlaw Sit Outlaw MMA. What's up man?
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How are you? I'm blessed, my brother, I'm
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blessed. I got you can't complain.
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How are you doing? I know you are, dude.
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I know you are. So you and I met, you taught.
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You taught me a jujitsu class. Yeah, I remember I came up to
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you. I was like, so how long are you
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doing this for? And you're like doing what?
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I'm like jujitsu. You're like, well, I do this for
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a living. I I'm a pro and I'm like get out
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of. Here man.
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And you know, I, I had a feeling, dude, because you're
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built different, you know, than everyone else that's in that
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gym. You know, there's just a
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different tier that you go to when you're when you're a pro
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man, but. Yeah.
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And then I. Saw you, my buddy Joe's wedding
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man. How do you know Joe?
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Man, Joe's my strength and conditioning coach.
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He's the reason why I can continue doing what I'm doing
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now. Really good.
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Yeah, he is so good. Joe is so good.
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He taught me how to swim. He, my mobility, my movement,
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he's pretty good, man. And not only that, the
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conditioning aspect of this. Yeah, he's a.
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He's a great friend, too. He's just a great dude, you
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know? You know this?
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Yeah. He's.
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Really good. You need you need people like
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that in in this type of field and environment, you know,
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you're just not going to see another meet another Joe.
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You know, you might, but you I don't know, you know what I
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mean? Yeah, man.
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He's good, he's good company. I wouldn't.
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I'm not. I'm not saying train him in for
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anything. You know, he's the man.
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I love him. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah, man.
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So you, you got a, you got a great record, you got a 20 and 6
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record, which is pretty crazy as far as I'm concerned.
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And I and and most of and most of your wins are on are based on
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submissions and and decisions, right?
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Yeah, submission this in decision, Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And and and and your background.
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Your. Background jiu jitsu, right?
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Yeah, all around, but not, I mean, I'm, I, I prefer to
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grapple a lot sometimes because a lot of people aren't really
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good on the ground and I don't like the to have like a brawl
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because it kind of like makes the other person feel like they
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got a chance. I don't want you to.
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Feel like you have? A chance, you know?
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Yeah. I don't want you to feel.
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I don't want you to have confidence when you're fighting
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me. That's what the heck, stupid.
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So you think that a lot of people are don't don't spend
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enough time training for the ground game?
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Both. Yeah.
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Training nowadays, you know. Yeah, they don't.
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No, they don't. But it's all good.
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It's making it makes my job a lot easier.
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I bet, I bet. How'd you how'd you get started
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fighting? I'm from Philly, so we got.
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Started. Yeah, I got started fighting.
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When did I get started fighting? Soon as I got how well I started
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in high school, I mean, doing this like when I was in high
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school, I just kept going. That's it.
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You started to wrestle. My dad was a yeah, yeah, My dad
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was a professional boxer. Oh, nice.
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Cool. Really.
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Yeah. So you grew up with that in your
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blood? Yeah, yeah.
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We don't like each other that much, but it is what it is,
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yeah. So how was you get 2 fighters
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right, Two personalities? Yeah, I mean, you'd call it
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that, but you know, it's just an environment we're in.
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That's how it is. We don't like.
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It's not. I don't like him.
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He doesn't like me. I don't.
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I can care less. I really don't care.
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I know some people are like, oh, I want my dad to like me.
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No, forget that. I don't care.
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I care more about my secrets than I care about like them.
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You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But I guess you got the disposition to it though, you
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know, I mean, listen, I, I, no one in my family has, you know,
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has, has a fighting bone in their body, you know, So, you
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know, and it kind of shows and I started training, you know, but
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I think that I'm sure that there's a lot of dispositions
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that that make a big that, that, that bring you up to an elite
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status, you know, relative to anything else, I'm sure it looks
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like genes have an impact on. Yeah, you think so?
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Yeah, probably, possibly, might be wrong.
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Possibly. So you grew up in Philly, huh?
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Yeah. Moved to moved to a place called
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Alfred Sonderson when I got, you know, graduated high school.
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Pretty dope. I like that area.
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That's how I got good at wrestling because me thinking
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boxing with an NLP all and it wasn't Long story short, Long
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story short, I did jiu jitsu and I won the match.
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However, this guy, I think his name was Matt Hamill or whatever
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his name is. I would never forget the guy
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name, but they was Matt. Long story short, he was he was
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an NCAA wrestler. Yeah.
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All American came in and threw me all around.
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I never felt so the mask like he took he did.
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So he did almost whatever he thought was a good idea.
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He did it and he was successful but he wasn't really
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knowledgeable with the ground. So I got on this like ex joke
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but ever since then I'm like dude this guy just threw me
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around and the only reason why I survived because I got an ex
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joke he didn't know nothing about.
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I couldn't believe it. I'm like, what was that?
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Like? What was he doing?
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Like he was so strong and he kept doing it repeatedly, like
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he wasn't getting tired, no fatigue.
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I'm like, dude, what is? I was just amazed.
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I'm like, if this is and he's not even a fighter, he's just a
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wrestler. How in the heck?
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Like I was just amazed. I was like amazed on his
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physical strength, on his mindset.
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I'm like, dude, dude, what did he do when he found out he
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wrestled? So I did it.
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I wrestled and high school because of that.
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Because of that protects your God.
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So this happened when you were in high school.
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You were exposed to wrestling for the first time, and you're
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like, this is another art. There's another art.
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Yeah, you can do whatever you want.
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You can. You can take them to the ground,
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keep them there, lift them up. You can, you can, you can
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determine where the fight goes you.
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Know. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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I, yeah. What's the difference?
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What are some big differences between wrestling jujitsu for
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people that don't know? Well, wrestling is like
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wrestling is mostly asserting your dominant.
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You know, jujitsu is more like submission and jujitsu is made
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for the big guy. I'm sorry, Jujitsu is made for
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the small guy to beat the big guy.
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It makes makes sense. Yeah, yeah.
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Wrestling is more like a test of will and determination, you know
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what I mean? So not necessarily that strength
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can always for jujitsu, strength is it's like chess.
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How about this make it simpler? Checkers.
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It's it's like wrestling and jiu jitsu is like chess if that
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makes sense. Sure, I've noticed that about
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jiu jitsu because when I was training, you know, when I've
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been, while I'm training and while I'm trying to figure out
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how to move my, you know, my body, you know, like, you know,
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I don't, you know, every single movement from every toe and
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finger and limb makes a difference, you know, and Drew
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beats the hell out of me about it.
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You know, he goes, hey, man, you know, you got to get your knee a
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little inward like that and you got to fix your foot a little
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bit like that. I'm like, is it going to make a
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difference? It's like the difference whether
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you get submitted or not in seconds, you know?
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And of course it matters, you know.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right about that.
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Wrestling's not as much. Wrestling is mostly like, well,
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determination. You got to be in shape.
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You got to be willing to grind. You have to have, you know, you
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have to be in shape and wrestling, of course, you have
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to have some type of technique. But you with that technique, you
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also have to have tenacity. So you just can't do a proper
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shot. You got to do it with some
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authority, right? You know what I mean?
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You got to do it. Yeah.
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You got to do it with the intent to get a guy down and hold him.
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You know what I mean? If he gets up, you got to go
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again immediately, almost like an animal.
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Yeah, jujitsu. Jujitsu is mostly like, all
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right, this guy is bigger than me, this guy is tougher than me.
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So I'm going to have to slow things down and make, make it
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technical. And I had to get him out of
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here. I had to finish him, you know.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess the difference I'm
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thinking, I've noticed when I was also rolling with wrestlers
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that wrestlers have a really great center of gravity.
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It's really hard to get them on their back.
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You know, jujitsu guys don't mind that.
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Yeah, that's that. Well, well, well, it is.
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But we're you should always trying to keep top position.
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Jiu jitsu is mostly like, it doesn't matter, like I said, for
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the small guy to win. So it doesn't matter where the
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fight goes. I have to fight if it if you're
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if you're heavier than me, I have to fight from the bottom.
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Yeah, you're no, if I'm on top and I'm better than you, I have
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to fight off the top. You know, that's a different.
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Jiu jitsu is definitely important at high level.
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You know, jiu jitsu fighters beat wrestler all the time.
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You know wrestlers, but depending on the level, high,
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high level jiu jitsu petitioner, bro, it's like Gordon Ryan,
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Gordon Ryan's wiping out everybody and you know what he's
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going to do it. He still gets.
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It Yeah, yeah, The way I mean, the difference in my head, like
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I, I right now in the in the league or at least in the UFC,
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when I, you know, when I, when I think of wrestling, I think of
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like Islam or Tamaya of whatever his name is.
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And when I think of jiu jitsu, I'm thinking more Ali Vera, you
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know, I'm thinking more like that guy that could, you know,
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get, you know, he'll he'll fall down if he gets hit, if he gets
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shot, but he's totally comfortable taking, you know,
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getting a submission once he's on the ground on his back, like
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it doesn't bother him at all. You know, you don't you never
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see Tamaya in a position like that.
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You know, it's just shooting, shooting, shooting over again
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for him. Yeah, so you kind of understand
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what I'm saying about the tenacity, how they keep going,
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get up, they go again and go again and they try to break your
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will. It's a different discipline.
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I totally gotcha. Yeah, it's very different.
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So dude, 26 fights over the course of thirteen years, that's
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a great career. Now it's a lot.
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It's a lot of fighting. Very.
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Active. Yeah, I'm pretty blessed.
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You still want to be at the top. You know, I was there and you
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know, Bella Tours, I guess got brought by PFL.
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That's when everything changed. So if that's it again, I'm, you
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know, I'm coming back up and I'm in a good position with ACA
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fighting over there in Russia. They're pretty dope.
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I'm happy to be in. I'm happy to be with those.
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Yeah, man, I saw, I saw a couple of your fights that were online
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and this past one that you fought a couple of weeks ago in
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Kazakhstan was awesome. Literally.
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No damage, no hits, quick submission.
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Is it? Do you, do you feel silly when
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you like fly all the way to Kazakhstan and you're like all
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that for that? It looked like, you know, it
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looked like you were another league.
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That means a lot. I mean, that's what I that's
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what I try to do. I try to go out there and I
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mean, I mean, I'm cool. I when it is, I treat really,
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really, really hard, you know, and you know, I pray all the
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time and I pray that my Lord could get me to where I need to
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be. But his, you know, God, a
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perfect God, timing is always the best timing, you know.
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Yeah. So, you know, you know, as bad
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as I want to fight in the UFCAC pick me up.
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So that's and I trained for that.
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I work really hard and I'm pretty and I'm one of the best
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in the world. So I expect the result to be the
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way it comes out to be sometime, sometime.
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Obviously I lost six time and I didn't expect that, you know
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what I mean? But most of the time, I mean, we
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drill work hard. So I expect it to be easy.
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It should be easy. Work my butt off, you know.
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Yeah. Well, I mean, if you work hard
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enough, then by the time the test comes around, you're ready,
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you know, you did all the hard work already.
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That's usually what the ideal is.
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Exactly. Exactly.
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Yeah, You understand. You understand?
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I try, I try, you know, when you're when you're training for
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MMA, right? What's it, You know, MMA is
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mixed martial arts. It's anyone could do anything.
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You know, how do you how do you figure out what to how to break
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down your time? Well and well, nowadays is
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mostly one for me. It's easier when it's it's
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easier when it's you focus on you and you have to adjust
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around that. You don't understand what I'm
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saying. You have to adjust that you
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focus on you. You either make him adjust or
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you adjust to him. Make sense?
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Yeah, sure, you can either play your game.
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Or play this game. Exactly.
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So I'm not saying we have to play his game.
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I have to make a little adjustment.
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So like, if I if I know he's going to throw a lot of knees,
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I'm not going to shoot a lot. Right.
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That's not that's very, that's that.
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I'll be dumb. I'll be some top tier stupidity.
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You have to mix it up, have to move a little bit, have to
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strike, give him what he wants, but make it hurt and do it
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meaningful. So when once you do that and you
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get the right reaction, then you can take it down.
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Then you can capitalize on all his mistakes.
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Makes sense? Yeah, yeah, I mean, I see that,
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yeah, you have the, I've seen the last couple of fights that
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you do a great job. You know, like in terms of they,
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they, they, they take that initial swing and you and you,
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you usually what I've seen, absorb it and take it into and
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turn it into a takedown. And you and you and you bring
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the game to your where your comfort level is, which is on
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the ground, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I mean, wherever his comfort, if his comfort levels on the
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ground, I'm not going to obviously go on the ground, but
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wherever where most of the people are not comfortable on
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the ground, you know what I mean?
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Like a lot. Yeah, even people that think
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they're comfortable on the ground.
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So that's where I mean that's to be on a good striking match, you
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will have to knock them out and that that play a game of chances
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and I'm not big at and chances, you know what I mean?
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That's why when I get a a lot of money, I want to start making a
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lot of money because I I'm not dumb enough to take dumb chances
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in it, you know what I mean? It's a young man.
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I grew out of That's a dummy game.
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Yeah, you know, we're Dumber when we're younger.
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You know, I'm sure that 36 you. Look, I gotta stop being dumb.
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And you're like, this kid was a joke, right?
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Dumb. I was dumb.
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Nah, I'm not 36, but I'm not. That would be stupidity, you
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know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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How do you, how much? How much?
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How often do you study your fights?
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How many? You know what already?
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Study. I study mostly myself.
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I pray. I pray.
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I go to church, I pray. Lot of praying.
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And I just, you know, I look at a little, I look, I look at, I
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look at his, my opponent, his habits and how he knew.
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That's about it. I try not to study and, you
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know, focus on me. You know what I mean?
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Yeah, focus on growing and getting better.
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Makes sense? Yeah.
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Yeah, I try, I try. Do you obsess with them?
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Totally, totally, totally. But I mean, how do you, how do
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you, So what do you, how do you go about developing your own
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game? Like how do you find holes in
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your game throughout, you know, as time goes on and say, hey,
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you know, I could really clean up over here or I need to step
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up over here. Where does that come in?
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Training, training, Listen to my coaches drilling, you know,
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always training, always getting better, not not stopping, You
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know what I mean? If I have a fight, I'll look at
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it. I'll go back to my coach, I'll
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get better and being honest with myself and pray and all of that
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all revolve around like praying and training.
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I'll keep it really simple. I'll try not to make it complex,
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because it isn't. Right, right, right.
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Right. Yeah.
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I heard, I believe, actually, and I've heard this, but I
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believe this since I've heard it, that prayer isn't for that.
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Prayer isn't to change God, It's to change you.
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You know, it's to make you a better person, you know, and a
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lot of people are sitting around and trying to make God fit what
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they want God to, you know, what they want God to look like when
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they should be changing themselves.
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Because, you know, we're none of us are perfect, you know, right,
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You know, But I, yeah, man, because I, you know, like your
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last, your last, your last fight last year with in Bellator,
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right where you lost by that decision.
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I watched. That Oh yeah, and you had.
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You you a lot of control time, but you know, you're 4 for four
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on takedowns. You're great with the takedowns.
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You know, but but but he got he, he was he, he, he was hitting,
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he, he did a lot of damage to those elbows.
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Do you go home and you're like, OK, I got to train with elbows
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now. I got to train to defend.
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Those or what do you have to do train and all?
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It's just you know, I mean just do a little be a little more
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active. You know what I mean?
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I think I made the right decision that fight because I
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couldn't see, you know, a lot of people don't notice that, but I
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had my eyes that yeah, yeah, I had my eyes dilated right before
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the fight so I couldn't see. I'm like, dude, this is great.
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Right? When I made weight, I got in the
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car and I go went to go dilate my eyes.
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So I played the smart game. I have confidence that what I
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could do, I could, I did. So I didn't, you know what I
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mean? Like I did.
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And yeah, I get it what they were saying about the damaging
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and I don't agree with them. I don't agree with their
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decision. They scored it differently now,
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but it's stupid, you know? I mean, what's the way?
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What's the way they score it? Is what OK what?
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What changed? I don't even they gave, they
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take down the ground control, they don't they don't score as
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much anymore. You know what I mean?
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OK, They try to make it. They try to make it appeasing
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for the audience, which is OK, I got you, I understand.
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But I play smart game to save you on a better game, you know.
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And then the sucky part is if everybody else can do what I do,
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they would have done it, but they can't, you know, and I, and
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I get it. I, I mean, I, I don't like to
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fight like that necessarily, but I had to.
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You can't see you've been. I just wanted to, you know, I
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had balls, so I'm going to do it.
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I didn't pull out. Why couldn't you know?
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Excuses I wouldn't and did what I did.
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I had my eyes dilated and I got poked in the eye so I I.
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Poked in the eye. I, you know, you ever got your
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eyes dilated? No.
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You ever see a eye an eye doctor?
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You ever went to an eye doctor? Oh yeah, I have gone to an eye
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doctor. Sure, but what?
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Why would? You when they and they and they
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put drops in your eye and they put and they put drops in your
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eye, Yeah. And during that process you
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can't see when they put drops in your eye, right?
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For a couple of. Hours after exactly for my my
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situation, I couldn't see it was the next day was the next day
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and I was cutting weight and dehydrated.
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Oh, I see, I see. How much do I Oh and I and I had
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some I how much weight do I have to cut?
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Yeah, usually before I fight 25 like 2530.
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That's a lot though, no? No, once you get in shape, it's
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a lot easier. You just got to stay in shape.
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So you fight lightweight? Well, yeah, it's 155, right?
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Yeah. And and you walk around 185, so
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you've to OR1175185. Yeah.
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Wow, man, I can't imagine. I can't.
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I can't. I can't imagine you can do it
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you. Can do it, Yeah, You think?
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So you can do this for any everybody to lose it.
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Is it a mindset? It's both, whatever you decide.
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I mean, I think it might be easier to lose it than to gain
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it. You know what I mean?
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Now, if you're now, if your individual goal is to gain
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muscle, it's gone. Of course you're going to look
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at me like, oh, why would you want to lose all that weight,
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you know, to get into a weight class?
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Yeah, My goal is it might be different from yours.
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Everybody body type is different, of course.
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Yeah, it's it's really easy. It's just a life when you once
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you really start because if you really don't train or work out,
19:37
of course, it's kind of crazy, right.
19:38
But if you do it consistently, it's like a no brainer on how
19:43
to, you know, get in shape, stay in shape in the property.
19:47
Yeah, anybody can do it. You see it all.
19:50
You see, honestly, you see it all the time.
19:51
Like for me to do it, it's like laughable for the people you see
19:54
on TV, like The Biggest Loser. Do you ever see those people?
19:57
Before, yeah, sure. Yeah.
20:01
But they all gained their way back at the end of the day, I
20:03
think, right? Like, a huge percentage of them.
20:05
And yeah, possibly. Yeah, a huge percentage of them
20:11
end up end up end up gaining their way back within a couple
20:14
of years. You know what that's also like,
20:15
yeah, when the lottery end up broke after I think within
20:18
within 5 or 10 years, something crazy like that.
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No way really. Yeah, man, apparently,
20:24
apparently all this stuff is more about and like what you're
20:27
saying, it's about the habits that you make, not about, you
20:29
know, one time exception, you know, so like, yeah, you lose.
20:32
You want to lose 20 lbs one time, You want to lose 100 lbs
20:35
one time for ATV show. It doesn't change, you know, the
20:38
way that you live and who you are necessarily.
20:40
You know, I mean it might start you down that path.
20:42
Yeah. But I think that if you know, if
20:44
your, if your entire life is the habits that get you to £600
20:47
anyway, that's, you know, I mean, it's going to be tough.
20:52
It is because you got to. You got to how do I say you're
20:55
doing it for a purpose? You're not doing it.
20:57
The purpose isn't to get better. You're doing it because they
21:00
offer you 50K. Winner get 100K.
21:04
Yeah, yeah. How much longer do you think
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you'll be fighting? For close to 40, whenever my
21:08
body gives up, I can keep doing it.
21:11
That's why I give big credit to Joseph.
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Yeah. Because once a body, because the
21:16
body wants somebody quits, I can keep fighting in love with my
21:20
body, keep giving me some more reasons and, you know, allow me
21:25
to do you feel I personally want to do it until I'm the do.
21:28
You do you feel the difference over time or is it like one day
21:30
you just realize, whoa, it's not the same?
21:32
No, I mean, right. It's a lot better than I used
21:35
to. I used to be weak, but now I'm
21:36
stronger. Of course I'm stiffer.
21:37
I'm tighter. Yeah.
21:39
Like standing in the car, I'm stiffer.
21:40
I'm tighter, I'm busier. So I just got to step more.
21:45
How do I say I got to get more stretching, You know, some
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independent time have yet because I'm not a kid, I got to
21:51
pay bills. I have to work.
21:53
Yeah, you know, I have to. I have to.
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This is my job now, you know, and the competition is getting
21:58
tougher and tougher and tougher. So I got to get tougher and
22:01
tougher and tougher. You know what?
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I. Mean, yeah.
22:04
How's how's the Bellator lightweight division?
22:07
I don't really know much about it.
22:09
I mean Bella Bella. Getting older a little bit.
22:12
Bella turns is no longer. Belter doesn't exist.
22:14
Oh, it's PFL. Yeah, I'm not in that.
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I'm in ACA, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And what's the late, what's the late way likely in ACA mean?
22:22
Dangerous. It's an organization nobody want
22:24
to be in some organization out. Yeah.
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Why? What about it?
22:31
Everybody. Everybody is tough.
22:33
Is everyone's a good fighter? Everybody's tough, everybody.
22:38
You're not getting an easy fight.
22:40
Oh man, last fight looked OK. What do who?
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What do you know about the guy you're?
22:44
Fighting on. December 4th.
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December 5th. He he's going to be tough.
22:49
Yeah. That's about all I needed that
22:52
He's going to be tough, he's going to be tough, he's going to
22:55
be hard. We kind of got the same record,
22:58
so. He's got the same record.
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Yeah. Wow, it's going to be.
23:04
Great man. Nothing.
23:06
Yeah, it's going to be alright. I'll take them out.
23:08
I just got to focus. Just focusing, focusing, getting
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support, that's about it. So that's all I really need.
23:15
How do you guys? Stay in your How do you stay in
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your head? How do you keep your head
23:18
straight? But praying, praying, focusing,
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praying, getting a good circle, you know, having a good support
23:25
team around here, training your butt off, working really hard,
23:30
proper preparation, stuff like that, you know, try, try your
23:33
best to keep it simple. Try not to make it all complex.
23:36
Just do the things everybody don't want to do.
23:38
You know what I mean? Yeah, the problem is that our
23:41
brains usually try to. Our brains make it complex, you
23:44
know. How do you like quiet?
23:46
How do you quiet it down? And like I said, people too, you
23:50
know, you might have the wrong people around you that want to
23:52
make you seem hard, like, oh, you got to watch this, he got
23:55
kicked, he got that, he got this.
23:57
But nobody's talking about some of the powerful tools you have
24:00
that you have to use. He's just too concerned on his
24:03
power. And then certain things and
24:06
sometimes you gotta say F it, I don't care.
24:08
I got power too. So I would say yeah, yeah, focus
24:12
mostly. I got prayer, pray, pray to God,
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have a great support team and train your butt off.
24:21
Even if you gotta be by yourself.
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Hopefully it doesn't work your butt off.
24:28
I'm sorry, I said work your butt off.
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Oh. Yeah, that's it.
24:34
OK, man, I want to see more. What do you call it?
24:36
I want to see. I want to see.
24:37
I want to see. Are you, are you, are you, are
24:39
you hoping to or I don't even know whether it's bad etiquette
24:42
to talk about what you're what you're hoping to do.
24:44
What do you know about this opponent?
24:46
What's he what's, what's his game like that you're fighting?
24:49
He he bleeds the same way. He bleeds the same way.
24:54
Breathe oxygen. He's the same way.
24:57
Is he a takedown guy? What kind of guy is he?
24:59
Honestly, brother, you will be a better, you'll be a better,
25:02
you'll know better than me because I don't really care.
25:05
Really I don't care. But I like I told you, I'll
25:08
barely, I watch this, see how how he moves.
25:10
That's about it. He's a well-rounded fighter.
25:12
He's a tough guy. So I have to be tougher.
25:15
So I have to work a lot on my special, my specific thing.
25:20
So whatever he gives me, my goal is to win.
25:23
I love it. I love it.
25:24
I think it's I think it's going to be great, man.
25:28
Yeah. So you trace.
25:28
So what's your what's your training schedule like?
25:32
Shoot 10:00 AM every morning. No, I'm sorry, 9:00 AM every
25:37
morning. I get done around 11:30 left on.
25:43
What do I do? What do I do on there one 1:00
25:47
PM drill some light drilling. 2:00 PM Strength and
25:52
conditioning on Mondays, Wednesdays and Thursday.
25:56
You know one Monday, Wednesdays and Friday.
25:58
Tuesdays and Thursdays we spar, then 12:00 jujitsu.
26:02
Then you have your therapy, then you have your road work.
26:06
What else? And then grapple again at 7:00
26:09
PM. So all day, every day.
26:11
Yeah, weekend and only chill, but you're doing something light
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work, drill, stuff like that, go to the gun range, blah blah
26:18
blah. Have fun.
26:19
What do you call it? How do you give you?
26:20
How do you How do you recover? Relaxing, eating healthier, a
26:24
lot of healthier. Yeah, dude, water ice bath.
26:28
Try, oh try to go to the cryo. Uh huh.
26:32
Definitely. Everything is expensive now, you
26:34
know. Dude, it's a fortune.
26:36
It's a fortune to get you a decent like like anything.
26:39
Anything that isn't like you can't do by yourself in nature
26:42
is just a fortune to do, especially on a regular basis,
26:45
you know? Uh huh.
26:48
Ice bath is crazy. How are you saying that for?
26:51
You pay 2 minutes and you go in the other bath.
26:54
Do you cut it out, go back in the ice bath for two more
26:56
minutes? Can go out and yeah, yeah, song
27:00
therapy, all that crap. Yeah, you, you feel like, you
27:04
feel like it makes a huge difference.
27:05
Huge difference. It makes everything look better
27:09
you know, and then it helps it help you cut weight too.
27:12
Not all the time. Sometime I I, I I like the cryo.
27:15
Cryo chamber is much better for me.
27:18
Yeah. So you, how much what do you at
27:21
now? How much what do you weigh right
27:22
now and how much? So you're a month out of the
27:25
fight. What are you?
27:25
What are you going to weigh 1? 75 now, yeah.
27:30
Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome.
27:32
And so every week you'll probably cut another 5 to 7 lbs
27:35
and you'll be there. No.
27:36
Kind of stay there and it's chill and chill and chill.
27:40
Cut 10 lbs of water the day off, then you go check weight.
27:43
She's try not to make it too complex, you know what I mean?
27:46
It's making it real simple and easy.
27:48
Yeah. Yeah, so I like to cut 10 lbs of
27:51
water and that's it. 10 lbs of water.
27:56
And that's it. And you can, and then and then
28:00
you could just rehydrate. Wait, when you when you fought,
28:03
do you notice that people are like, whoa, like this guy's a
28:05
lot heavier than 155? Yeah.
28:08
Well, yeah, everybody does that. Everybody does that.
28:12
So 155. Is usually fighting at 20 lbs.
28:15
Ten 15 lbs Heavier than that. Around there, that's our
28:18
average. Like, they don't need so much
28:21
you can gain. But yeah, everybody does it.
28:25
Nobody walk in The Cave fighting.
28:27
I mean, Frankie Edgar did sometimes, but not everybody.
28:31
You've always, you've always been religious.
28:32
You always prayed. Always I had to got me to where?
28:37
I mean, I'm shocked I made it here.
28:39
Now I want to make it further. Yeah, I hope you go.
28:41
I I know you're going to man, I I would like, I'm excited for
28:44
this next fight, man. You are you nervous about going
28:46
to rush a lot? No, I've been there before.
28:49
Yeah. No, no, I can't.
28:50
You've been there. What's it like?
28:52
Pretty dope, Yeah, pretty dope. People here are nice, Yeah.
28:56
I'm not too sure about the war stuff, but but first I'm going
28:59
to Moscow and I'll let you know when I get back.
29:02
Wow, crazy. Yeah, we're going to do a, we're
29:04
going to do a Part 2 full episode when you get back post
29:08
win and it'll be great. And and you know, we'll, we'll
29:14
talk all this out in person and we'll be able to kind of dive a
29:16
little more into it. All right.
29:18
Dude you all love it. I got I'll I'll make videos and
29:22
share your stories with. You all right, brother?
29:25
You got it. OK, well, let's, we'll, we'll,
29:26
you got to fight in the month, December 5th.
29:29
We'll push man. And God bless man.
29:31
We're going to, we're going to, we'll make some.
29:33
Well, we're hoping for something good over here.
29:35
You will keep me your prayers. I love you brother.
29:37
Thank you. All right, talk to you soon,
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man. Take care.
29:39
Bye. I'll talk.