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Capítulo 087: "He Called Me A F****** Bitch" · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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Speaker 1: in our Latino X community that's happened a lot conversation
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Speaker 1: happening online, and so we're just going to get right
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Speaker 1: into it. Oh my god, there's so much going on.
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Speaker 1: There is so much going on. I mean, first of all, um,
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Speaker 1: we can talk about AOC Alexandro Castio Corthez, who uh
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Speaker 1: this week gave a really amazing, extensive, impassioned, informative, like
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Speaker 1: strong um speech about this awful man I want to
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Speaker 1: call him you who, but his last name is actually Yoho,
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Speaker 1: and he like verbally assaulted essentially AOC on the job
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Speaker 1: called her a fucking bitch, you know, called her disgusting
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Speaker 1: all kinds of things because of you know, the efforts
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Speaker 1: and the things that she's lobbying behind as far as
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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen relief for the poor, for the working class.
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Speaker 1: So she had to go on the record and call
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Speaker 1: him out and talk about what he said. Quote him,
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Speaker 1: because he attempted to give this like half ass apology,
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Speaker 1: invoking his daughters and his wife as some sort of shield,
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Speaker 1: you know, to like explain away or minimize or distract
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Speaker 1: from his misogyny. And there's been a lot of conversation
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Speaker 1: about not only the verbal assault on AOC, but the
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Speaker 1: way that she stood up for herself and articulated that
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Speaker 1: self defense on what is essentially a global stage. Absolutely. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: And I think it's also important to note that this
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Speaker 1: type of harassment doesn't happen in a vacuum. We can
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Speaker 1: see it at every single level of our lives as women,
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Speaker 1: whether that be within our homes, whether that be at
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Speaker 1: the workplace, on the street, in relationships. However, she was
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Speaker 1: specifically talking about workplace harassment, and so I want us
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Speaker 1: to keep that in mind when she when we hear
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Speaker 1: her speech, right, And also, I wanted to ask you, Mala,
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Speaker 1: and I would want to share maybe a couple examples myself,
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Speaker 1: but I'm sure you've experienced harassment at work, right, verbal harassment,
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Speaker 1: even sexual harassment, and so would you be comfortable sharing
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Speaker 1: maybe a particular experience just to contextualize that this happens
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Speaker 1: to all of us. It really does happen. We know
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Speaker 1: that street harassment is a problem, We know that workplace
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Speaker 1: sexual harassment is a problem. And I actually had an
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Speaker 1: experience with workplace sexual harassment that was so bizarre. So,
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Speaker 1: as you all know, I used to work at a
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Speaker 1: rape crisis center, right, a trauma recovery center. Um. Everyone
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Speaker 1: in the building super trained and educated and knowledgeable and
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Speaker 1: experienced in this issue of sexualization of violence against women
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Speaker 1: and gender minorities and children, like the last place probably
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Speaker 1: that you would expect for workplace sexual harassment to take place.
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Speaker 1: While I did have an experience UM with a co
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Speaker 1: worker who was sis straight man, and he was like
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Speaker 1: always super friendly with me and joky and like that's fine,
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Speaker 1: that's cool, friendly and and joking around is great. But
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Speaker 1: then it began to venture into commentary, like about my appearance,
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Speaker 1: about my clothes, about my nail polish, about my makeup,
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Speaker 1: about my jewelry, Like increasingly there was commentary coming from
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Speaker 1: this man who was a therapist, by the way, at
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Speaker 1: the rape crisis center where I worked, there was this
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Speaker 1: constant commentary from this man about my appearance and so
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Speaker 1: kind of being in a situation where I'm teaching self defense,
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Speaker 1: um to people, I'm teaching assertiveness to people, to youth,
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Speaker 1: to women, um. You know, I'm working in this field
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Speaker 1: responding to sexual violence. And then here in the rape
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Speaker 1: crisis center, this dynamic is taking place. So the turning
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Speaker 1: point was one day they actually had like an hr
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Speaker 1: workplace actual harassment type training where they showed us this
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Speaker 1: old video like from the late eighties early nineties describing
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Speaker 1: all the different things that are considered sexual harassment in
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Speaker 1: the workplace, and those things that they listed included commentary
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Speaker 1: on women's clothes, commentary on appearance, you know, commentary on
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Speaker 1: bodies and body parts and things like that. And almost
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Speaker 1: immediately after that video and that training, this man came
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Speaker 1: right up to me and said, I really want to
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Speaker 1: apologize to you because I realized that I have overstabbed
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Speaker 1: and that I have cross the boundaries and that I
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Speaker 1: have been inappropriate with you, and I just want to
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Speaker 1: acknowledge that and say that I'm sorry. He was scared
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Speaker 1: as he should have been. But yeah, that's my store.
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Speaker 1: That's one of my stories. That is so experiences. Oh
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Speaker 1: my god, girl, I wish I didn't have so many, um,
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Speaker 1: but one in particular, Yeah, you know. One in particular
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Speaker 1: when prepping for this episode, was actually when I was
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Speaker 1: a community organizer and I was being trained by another
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Speaker 1: community organizer. He had been there for a couple of years,
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Speaker 1: and so he was just training me um on how
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Speaker 1: to like facilitate these meetings because we were following a
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Speaker 1: specific type of model of like organizing and facilitating meetings
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Speaker 1: and all that stuff. And so I had known him
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Speaker 1: for a couple of months. I was like a community organizer,
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Speaker 1: like I was no longer in training mode. When he
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Speaker 1: he and I are talking and he tells me, Um, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know when I went out to go train you
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Speaker 1: and meet you at this particular meeting, I was expecting
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Speaker 1: to see like an older Senora or like an older Latina.
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Speaker 1: But then you walked in and I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: she's really hot. And I was like taken aback because
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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is both an insult and a compliment,
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Speaker 1: like you're trying like why why are you why are
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Speaker 1: you saying this to me and why are you doing this?
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Speaker 1: And then on top of that, he um his wife
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Speaker 1: was also a community organizer, and so we were like
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Speaker 1: all coworkers and colleagues and it was so uncomfortable, and
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Speaker 1: I think in that moment I kind of just laughed
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Speaker 1: it off and was like, oh ha ha, you know,
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Speaker 1: like I was completely caught off guard. And also context,
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Speaker 1: I was twenty one at the time, and not that
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Speaker 1: I was really young, but I think I was still
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Speaker 1: learning how to respond myself to workplace harassment and just
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Speaker 1: harassment in general. And so now, you know, fast forward
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Speaker 1: to me being um, now, when I experienced workplace harassment,
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Speaker 1: I will call it out. You know. I had a
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Speaker 1: coworker kind of try to get really close to me
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Speaker 1: so that I could literally smell his cologne, and I
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Speaker 1: literally put my arms up as a barrier and I said,
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Speaker 1: please don't get that close to me. I need you
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Speaker 1: to back up. And it really embarrassed him, and he
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Speaker 1: like turned red and was like, oh, I'm sorry, and
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Speaker 1: you know, like I wouldn't have done that as a
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Speaker 1: twenty one year old, But after everything that I've learned
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Speaker 1: and just my own process, as you know, I was
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Speaker 1: able to finally call it out in a different way.
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Speaker 1: And so I've experienced it in like very small ways,
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Speaker 1: like the subtle ways where kind of just makes you
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Speaker 1: like question, like did that happen? Like was that harassment?
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Speaker 1: And then it really overt ways, you know, And so
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Speaker 1: those have been a couple of my experiences thus far. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And I mean it's it's so wild because I feel
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Speaker 1: like the USA you have sent me so many like
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Speaker 1: text messages and like screenshots and stuff of not only
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Speaker 1: co workers, but like men like around your office space,
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Speaker 1: like leaving notes on your car and just yeah, they're
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Speaker 1: like out for you. Be careful. It's weird. It's like
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Speaker 1: so weird too, and scary to come come out of
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Speaker 1: my office, you know and have notes left on my
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Speaker 1: car with like phone numbers and like notes saying like
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Speaker 1: oh I saw you walking by and I thought you
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Speaker 1: were really beautiful, like I'd love to get to know you.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, do these men really think that it's flattering?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's actually really frightening and scary
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Speaker 1: because you clearly can see my car, which means you
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Speaker 1: can see my license plate, which and which also means
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Speaker 1: you probably watched me walk into my office. Um, I
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Speaker 1: was having this is like a whole other this can
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Speaker 1: just really spiral into a whole conversation of my experience.
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Speaker 1: But there was another moment where I was like, by
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Speaker 1: I was having lunch at the park near my office
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Speaker 1: and this man. I was in my car already, and
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Speaker 1: this man rolls up to me and was like, Oh,
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Speaker 1: I saw you from the post office at the park
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Speaker 1: and I had to come and say hi to you
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Speaker 1: because I think you're so beautiful. And I'm like, this
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Speaker 1: is frightening, this is really scary, right, and but these
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Speaker 1: are just this is just the reality of our day
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Speaker 1: to day lives as women out in the world. And
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Speaker 1: so even in the workplace, we experience verbal harassment, sexual
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Speaker 1: harassment even when we're not in the office. But just
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Speaker 1: like proximity to the workplace absolutely. I feel like I've
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Speaker 1: probably shared this too on a previous episode, But like
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Speaker 1: you know, the the outside of the workplace is the street,
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Speaker 1: so their street harassment. Then the inside of the workplace
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Speaker 1: you're have coworkers, so then it's workplace sexual harassment. So
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Speaker 1: it's like, where is the space that the harassment is
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Speaker 1: not gonna happen, right, And like I had an experience
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Speaker 1: to um while working at Peace Over Violence, Like I
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Speaker 1: left the office to go walk down the street and
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Speaker 1: get a ballet on my lunch break because it was
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Speaker 1: hot a f It was the summer, and I'm leaving
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Speaker 1: and I'm walking and some random man in a part
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Speaker 1: sees me and starts yelling at me, and he's like, hey,
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Speaker 1: you come here, come here, and he starts following me,
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Speaker 1: and he's like yelling at me and cussing at me.
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Speaker 1: And then when I just would not stop or turn
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Speaker 1: around or look at him, he likes started calling me
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Speaker 1: a horse face bitch and like follow me for like
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Speaker 1: a good block. And and then after I like got
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Speaker 1: out of that situation, I got my palida and then
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Speaker 1: I had to go back to work at the rape
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Speaker 1: Crisis center. You know, Like it was just like such
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Speaker 1: like a mind fuck, and I hated it. And so,
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Speaker 1: like you said, there's these like overt instances that are
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Speaker 1: unmistakably violent, there are also these other instances that like
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Speaker 1: read us compliments, but they're actually super predatory and creepy
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Speaker 1: and inappropriate. And what happened to AOC was one of
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Speaker 1: those like outright over acts of harassment right from Representative
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Speaker 1: Ted yoho Um who is a Republican from Florida, and Um,
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Speaker 1: it's just been really interesting to see the dialogue unfold
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Speaker 1: after she stood up for herself after she called him
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Speaker 1: out on record and after she held Power accountable for
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Speaker 1: harm done. So, like, I don't know, have you seen
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Speaker 1: some of that dialogue, some of that conversation online or
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Speaker 1: amongst the people that you know the s Yeah. I
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Speaker 1: think for the first maybe day or two or just
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Speaker 1: even just immediately after, I saw a lot of praise
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Speaker 1: for the speech, all the examples, the way she broke
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Speaker 1: down the systems and not just this is just an
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Speaker 1: interaction between me and another person, me and another colleague,
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Speaker 1: but the systems that enable this type of behavior. And
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Speaker 1: I also like, I'm sure that there are so many
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Speaker 1: examples that don't even come to light, and that she
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Speaker 1: doesn't share of all the harassment that she must face
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Speaker 1: in her workplace right as a congresswoman. Um. But she
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Speaker 1: did name a couple other examples, and I thought that
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Speaker 1: that was really powerful, um because you know, I don't
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Speaker 1: think that she was sensationalizing her experience. But unfortunately, it
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Speaker 1: takes the public uh specific examples of women experiencing any
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Speaker 1: type of violence or harassment to be taken seriously. And
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Speaker 1: so I think that the way she set up her
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Speaker 1: speech was really powerful in just naming the different men
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Speaker 1: Um that have you know a verbally abused her or
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Speaker 1: made comments to her. And I also thought it was
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Speaker 1: really powerful how she um named the other and he's
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Speaker 1: just his name is escaping me, but named the other
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Speaker 1: Republican representative that was standing next to yoho Um because
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Speaker 1: she also whole held him accountable for just implicitly enabling
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Speaker 1: that behavior and not calling it out or speaking up
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Speaker 1: or saying hey, dude, that's not cool, you know, And
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Speaker 1: we talked about that all the time. How other men
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Speaker 1: enable this type of behavior from their peers, from from
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Speaker 1: men as well, And so going back, just going back
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Speaker 1: to answering your question, mala Um, I think the first
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Speaker 1: couple of days and the first hours after the speech,
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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of praise, and then I think
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Speaker 1: the next couple of days, maybe a couple of days
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Speaker 1: after we saw, I saw on social media on Twitter
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Speaker 1: specifically people breaking down her speech and saying that she
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Speaker 1: was using victim blaming language, which I know is what
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Speaker 1: led you to create a thread which I wanted us
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Speaker 1: to talk about because I would say, from what I've seen,
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Speaker 1: you can tell me if I'm if I'm right or wrong,
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Speaker 1: But from what I've seen, I've seen, um, folks um
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Speaker 1: engage with your tweet very positively, like yes, like this
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Speaker 1: is an important threat and how and how Mala broke
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Speaker 1: it down. But I also saw a couple of comments
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Speaker 1: and a couple of pushback. So what has can you
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Speaker 1: talk about your threat? And then what the reception has
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Speaker 1: been on social media? Yeah? So you know, I want
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Speaker 1: to say this first is that AOC is a congresswoman.
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Speaker 1: She is in public office. She's a public servant, so
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Speaker 1: you know, hold her accountable, critique her, do all of
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Speaker 1: those things. Number one, let's just put that out there
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Speaker 1: for any anybody in public office. Um, anyone in public
16:52
Speaker 1: office has stepped into a role willingly and eagerly to
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Speaker 1: serve like their constituents. So if as a constituent, you
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Speaker 1: have a critique, you have a grape, like, I want
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Speaker 1: you to voice that. Absolutely. It's not about like shutting
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Speaker 1: down dialogue or saying people are wrong. But something that
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Speaker 1: I did see was some tweets specifically saying that like
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Speaker 1: her aoc s specific statement where she says, my parents
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Speaker 1: did not raise me to accept abuse from men, right,
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Speaker 1: and sort of a juxtaposition between her own upbringing. It
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Speaker 1: is also my personal opinion that her statement about her
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Speaker 1: parents not raising her to accept abuse from men, it's
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Speaker 1: my personal opinion that she was not victim blaming, that
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Speaker 1: that was not a statement of victim blame. I think
17:40
Speaker 1: where a lot of the discomfort lies with that statement
17:43
Speaker 1: isn't something that is a lot deeper and more insidious
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Speaker 1: and and really sad for a lot of us to
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Speaker 1: kind of come to terms with. Because while she's talking
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Speaker 1: about the standard that her parents have set for her
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Speaker 1: as far as defending herself and standing up for herself
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Speaker 1: off and speaking truth to power and standing up to
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Speaker 1: men who do harm to her, we also know that
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Speaker 1: not all parents do that for their kids. Not all
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Speaker 1: teachers do that for their students. Not all religious leaders
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Speaker 1: do that for their congregations, you know. Um, not all
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Speaker 1: communities do that for the girls in the community or
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Speaker 1: the boys the children. A lot of our families are
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Speaker 1: families that um socialize and raise daughters into abuse, into
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Speaker 1: accepting abuse in some ways, into expecting abuse, into normalizing abuse.
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Speaker 1: It starts in early childhood. And it's not just the girls,
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Speaker 1: it's the boys too. They're getting the same messages, but
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Speaker 1: they kind of are at different ends of the sword.
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Speaker 1: Like the girls are hearing this is just how men are,
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Speaker 1: boys will be boys, you know, especially if you I
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Speaker 1: spoken my thread very specifically about like Latin X families, UM,
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Speaker 1: you know, families from religious backgrounds where I know these
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Speaker 1: things to be pervasive because that's the family I come from,
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Speaker 1: and there is a lot of like you know, minimizing
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Speaker 1: of violence against women, UM, victim blaming, especially with regards
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Speaker 1: to sexual assault. And so the way that I heard
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Speaker 1: it was, you know, this is an example of of
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Speaker 1: parenting that wants to see and want to have. You know,
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Speaker 1: we should all want to be able to say my
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Speaker 1: parents didn't raise me to accept abuse from men, because
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Speaker 1: there are so many instances across cultures and communities where
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Speaker 1: the opposite is true, where actually families do you know,
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Speaker 1: acculturate with girls into being on the receiving end of abuse,
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Speaker 1: not into victimhood, but into like examining the world through
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Speaker 1: a lens that that puts us as inferior and deserving
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Speaker 1: of mistreatment, and that makes boys and men in our lives,
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Speaker 1: you know, guilt free and never culpable for the harm
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Speaker 1: that they do to the women and girls in their lives.
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Speaker 1: I do not think that she was vic and blaming.
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Speaker 1: I think she was talking about her own specific, particular
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Speaker 1: experience in the context of what was actually right, like, uh,
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Speaker 1: workplace harassment from basically as her colleague, her coworker, you know,
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Speaker 1: another congress person. So that's the thread that I wrote,
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Speaker 1: and it's been retweeted. Um, people are engaging with it.
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Speaker 1: It's always interesting to see like that kind of overlap
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Speaker 1: between the people who only read the first tweet in
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Speaker 1: the thread and people who only read you know, the
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Speaker 1: headline and not the whole article, and how people form
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Speaker 1: like really big opinions with very little information. I also
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Speaker 1: think some of that is happening with AOC's speech. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if everybody has listened to the entire thing,
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Speaker 1: or if this is like you know, sound bites are
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Speaker 1: happening and people are reacting at all. That being said, like, um,
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Speaker 1: you know, one survivor, I don't think speaks for all.
20:56
Speaker 1: I don't think any survivor is perfect, and I think
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Speaker 1: it's really a misogynistic and unfair to expect like one
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Speaker 1: woman's self defense to cover all bases for everybody. Um.
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Speaker 1: That being said, I think it's a good conversation and
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Speaker 1: I'm happy that it's the dialogue is taking place. You know, yeah, absolutely, Malah,
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Speaker 1: I like definitely feel and I hear everything that you're saying.
21:19
Speaker 1: I mean, I was somebody as a child, you know,
21:22
Speaker 1: that was conditioned to or raised to be more quiet
21:26
Speaker 1: and more timid. You know, my parents never they saw
21:29
Speaker 1: that I was maybe a more shy kid, and they
21:30
Speaker 1: never did anything really to help me break out of
21:34
Speaker 1: that or foster like, where does that shyness come from? Right?
21:37
Speaker 1: And it took me a long time to be empowered
21:41
Speaker 1: to use my voice and to be okay with conflict.
21:43
Speaker 1: And this all had to has to do with the
21:46
Speaker 1: way I saw my parents relationship play out in real
21:50
Speaker 1: time as a kid, growing up to and now as
21:52
Speaker 1: and now as an adult. And so I definitely was
21:54
Speaker 1: someone that was raised and conditioned to tolerate things that
21:58
Speaker 1: I did not want, both in inter any type of
22:01
Speaker 1: interpersonal relationship. And so like I feel that I'm on
22:05
Speaker 1: the other end of it, you know, I I was
22:07
Speaker 1: taught to tolerate what I didn't want. Um, But I,
22:10
Speaker 1: as a survivor as well, did not did not hear
22:14
Speaker 1: aoc Ocascio's speech and think, oh, you know, she's talking
22:19
Speaker 1: about me, and this is shaming of me, and like
22:21
Speaker 1: what I went through in my experience, I didn't personalize
22:24
Speaker 1: what she said. I understood it and heard it as
22:28
Speaker 1: her talking about her experience. And I think it was
22:31
Speaker 1: really powerful that she called upon her parents because Yoho
22:34
Speaker 1: called upon his daughters as a scapego and I think
22:37
Speaker 1: that we can't forget that, like that's the context of
22:39
Speaker 1: her also calling upon her parents, because he tries to
22:43
Speaker 1: use his relationships, his relations to other women as an
22:48
Speaker 1: example of Oh, I can't be misogynistic, I can't be
22:51
Speaker 1: hateful towards women. And we hear that time and time
22:54
Speaker 1: again from any type of abuser, like, oh, we hear
22:57
Speaker 1: this all the time, especially on sucking Mother's Day. Oh,
23:00
Speaker 1: my mother raised me to be a loving man. My
23:02
Speaker 1: mother raised me to respect women. Yet they condone and
23:06
Speaker 1: our friends with rapists or our abusers themselves, you know.
23:09
Speaker 1: And so we can't forget that and just hone in
23:12
Speaker 1: on one line that and take it out of context.
23:17
Speaker 1: But I do agree with you that it is important
23:19
Speaker 1: to um hold someone like AOC or at any level
23:24
Speaker 1: that is speaking on a national platform um and think
23:27
Speaker 1: about the way they are using their language. And I
23:31
Speaker 1: think that it's it's it is still good to engage
23:33
Speaker 1: in these conversations and we can't just shut them down.
23:35
Speaker 1: But I also think contextualizing and understanding where is that
23:38
Speaker 1: AOC was coming from. And you know, I think it
23:43
Speaker 1: is important to point out that, you know, Representative Yoho
23:48
Speaker 1: gave his half ass apology first invoked his wife and
23:52
Speaker 1: daughters as a shield, and her speech came after his
23:57
Speaker 1: half ass apology. Right, it makes sense to me that
24:01
Speaker 1: she would invoke her own family when the worst that's
24:07
Speaker 1: being put out there. I don't think that she was like,
24:11
Speaker 1: here's the thing, right, Like the words have meanings, words
24:14
Speaker 1: have definitions. Victim blaming is something that is super specific
24:19
Speaker 1: and comes out of a well documented history of families,
24:25
Speaker 1: police detectives, judges, attorneys specifically blaming rape and domestic violence.
24:34
Speaker 1: Victims who have come forward and disclose what happened to them,
24:39
Speaker 1: are trying to report, are trying to seek justice. It
24:42
Speaker 1: is in those processes where we we have kind of
24:46
Speaker 1: come up with this, this term of victim blaming. It's
24:50
Speaker 1: literally when people in a position of power or in
24:53
Speaker 1: a position to help, a position to intervene, who who
24:58
Speaker 1: um claim to be helpers, who claim to be you know, uh,
25:04
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25:08
Speaker 1: turn around and literally tell a victim who is seeking help,
25:11
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25:14
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25:18
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25:19
Speaker 1: you say that, Why did you go there? Victim blaming
25:22
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25:25
Speaker 1: the time, and it is it's it's life threatening. It's
25:29
Speaker 1: a threat to community safety, um and and to the
25:32
Speaker 1: safety of the children survivors. Yahmala, I definitely hear what
25:38
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25:40
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Speaker 1: about you know, Representative ted Yo Ho hurling misogynist slurs
29:19
Speaker 1: at Representative Alexandria Corth. This and how AOC held him
29:25
Speaker 1: accountable publicly right in her speech and her call out,
29:29
Speaker 1: and how she invoked her family. She talked about systems
29:33
Speaker 1: of violence against women, of repression of women, and of
29:36
Speaker 1: women's speech um and the importance of holding power accountable right.
29:41
Speaker 1: So we wanted to come back and kind of tie
29:43
Speaker 1: in some other elements and pieces of history and like
29:47
Speaker 1: pieces of journalism to help us really understand and contextualize
29:51
Speaker 1: what is going on right with with around, under and
29:55
Speaker 1: behind like the AOC situation. So I came across this
29:59
Speaker 1: article on Miss magazine online, written by Michelle Goodwin. And
30:05
Speaker 1: this article draws the connections between Representative Ted Yoho calling
30:12
Speaker 1: AOC a fucking bitch and a case involving a woman
30:16
Speaker 1: named Miss Mary Hamilton's. So, in to quote the article,
30:21
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court ruled in Hamilton's versus Alabama that black
30:25
Speaker 1: women were entitled to be referred to by their names.
30:28
Speaker 1: More specifically, the Supreme Court ruled courts must use respectful
30:33
Speaker 1: forms of address, long required and reserved for white women.
30:37
Speaker 1: The article goes on to say, prior to the Hamilton's case,
30:40
Speaker 1: in Southern States, it was not uncommon for black Americans
30:43
Speaker 1: to suffer the indignities of being called the N word
30:46
Speaker 1: by law enforcement, jurors, attorneys, or even judges in court
30:52
Speaker 1: during court proceedings or jury deliberations. Hamilton's case resonates in
30:57
Speaker 1: the wake of Representative Ted Yoho accosting and hurling a
31:01
Speaker 1: misogynistic slur at Rep. AOC this week. He called her
31:05
Speaker 1: disgusting and a fucking bitch and at first denied it,
31:08
Speaker 1: but then refused to apologize, and he was overheard by
31:11
Speaker 1: a reporter. So for me, like, I had no idea
31:15
Speaker 1: about this history, right, And thank you to Michelle Goodwin
31:19
Speaker 1: for talking about Miss Mary Hamilton's and and this case
31:21
Speaker 1: that literally had to be brought to light to force
31:25
Speaker 1: public officials, judges, law enforcement to call Black Americans by
31:30
Speaker 1: their names and by respectful titles and pointing out that
31:34
Speaker 1: this was something that was really reserved for white women,
31:36
Speaker 1: like respectful treatment, being called miss mrs instead of being
31:41
Speaker 1: called slurs. And fast forward to today AOC is experiencing
31:47
Speaker 1: what she's experiencing. It really is quite profound, you know,
31:50
Speaker 1: So I thought it was important for us to kind
31:53
Speaker 1: of engage this history to show even how anti blackness
31:56
Speaker 1: is tied into this and there is a big, big, big,
32:00
Speaker 1: big big issue. Um that is bigger even than Representative
32:04
Speaker 1: Ted Yoho himself, right and his actions. Yeah, absolutely, I
32:09
Speaker 1: mean this is what we mean. And not just Mola
32:12
Speaker 1: and I, but just in general folks that are having
32:14
Speaker 1: this conversation activist writers, journalists, when we're talking about systemic racism.
32:19
Speaker 1: It's not just individual people, but how were laws put
32:23
Speaker 1: in place that upholds white supremacy? And so thank you
32:28
Speaker 1: Molla for bringing that example, because it really journing to
32:31
Speaker 1: us something that happened in history and then something that
32:34
Speaker 1: we're still seeing to this day. Right, And it was
32:36
Speaker 1: not that long ago either. This law had to be
32:39
Speaker 1: passed to call black people by their names, and so
32:43
Speaker 1: thank you for bringing that up. That's wild. And you
32:46
Speaker 1: know what you think about like how older our dads,
32:49
Speaker 1: like our dads were alive when that law was being passed. Yes,
32:53
Speaker 1: you know, it's so true. It's so true. I mean,
32:57
Speaker 1: I mean, it is so wild. And this is you know,
33:02
Speaker 1: this past weekend was I saw folks online commemorating what
33:05
Speaker 1: would have been Emmett Tills I believe seventy or eightieth birthday.
33:09
Speaker 1: And my father just turned to eighty this past year
33:12
Speaker 1: and it still would have been could have been my
33:14
Speaker 1: father's age, and that would like seeing that, I was like, wow,
33:17
Speaker 1: like this is really this is really not that long ago.
33:20
Speaker 1: And we know that obviously, but just the same white
33:23
Speaker 1: supremacist violence, the same violence at the hands of the police.
33:28
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's a lot. It's a lot,
33:31
Speaker 1: and it's a good reminder. It's a good reminder of
33:35
Speaker 1: all the work that's don't needs to be done. Okay,
33:38
Speaker 1: So another example that we wanted to bring today is
33:40
Speaker 1: something that we saw in the news cycle last week.
33:44
Speaker 1: Um Judge Esther Salace's child was murdered and her husband
33:51
Speaker 1: was shot. And so Judge Esther Salas is a federal
33:55
Speaker 1: judge in New Jersey and her child, her twenty old son,
34:00
Speaker 1: was shot and her husband was shot. And this was
34:03
Speaker 1: I would call this a hate crime, right. But this murderer,
34:07
Speaker 1: the person that killed her family is was a self
34:11
Speaker 1: described anti feminist and attorney. And the plot twist is
34:16
Speaker 1: that he actually left a trail of writing on line
34:19
Speaker 1: and he had a two thousand page collection of writings
34:23
Speaker 1: that he posted online back in with just you know,
34:28
Speaker 1: pure hate speech, violence against women, misogyny, racism, basically a manifesto, right.
34:35
Speaker 1: I think that we thought it was really important to
34:37
Speaker 1: bring this specific case and specific example when talking about
34:42
Speaker 1: Gaso Cortez and what's happening in like the broader the
34:46
Speaker 1: broader um scale, you know, the broader conversation when we're
34:51
Speaker 1: talking about who's impositions of power, who's elected into Congress,
34:56
Speaker 1: who's appointed to be judges, you know, and so it's
35:01
Speaker 1: just all connected. And so we wanted to bring this
35:05
Speaker 1: to lay out the foundation for this conversation. And what's
35:09
Speaker 1: even like, this case has not I don't think it's
35:15
Speaker 1: been really fully truly investigated yet. I don't think we
35:18
Speaker 1: know everything, or at least not everything has been brought
35:21
Speaker 1: to life. But what we do know is that Judge
35:22
Speaker 1: Salas is from Monterey Park, which is, uh, you know,
35:26
Speaker 1: us like a small city in the west Sangebro Valley
35:30
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles County. And um, I spent a ton
35:34
Speaker 1: of time in Monterey Park because I you know, I
35:36
Speaker 1: grew up in the Sange Roll Valley, and so she's
35:40
Speaker 1: like a local girl, you know what I mean. So
35:43
Speaker 1: she also, as a judge, was presiding over a case
35:46
Speaker 1: involving Jeffrey Epstein. Um I think that there are like
35:50
Speaker 1: multiple there were like in addition to the criminal there
35:55
Speaker 1: were also other like civil legal matters in courts involving him, right,
36:00
Speaker 1: and she was working on something and so that also
36:04
Speaker 1: can't be ignored. There's that connection there. And I think
36:08
Speaker 1: that this case, I don't want it to go quiet,
36:11
Speaker 1: right like, and like the Vanessa gi End case cannot
36:14
Speaker 1: go quiet, and this case cannot go quiet because this
36:16
Speaker 1: is major stuff AOC like, and these are all three
36:20
Speaker 1: of these women are Latinas in in in positions of
36:23
Speaker 1: public service right, military, judge, um, congresswoman, and to be
36:30
Speaker 1: killed and to be targeted like it's just dangerous for
36:33
Speaker 1: them out there. And you know, there's a lot of
36:34
Speaker 1: people who do not like AOC and who do not
36:36
Speaker 1: want to see her thrive. Like their vocal they make
36:39
Speaker 1: themselves known. This man that was very public of him
36:42
Speaker 1: to attack her that way, that was very bold. But
36:45
Speaker 1: they do it. They've done it to other um, you know,
36:47
Speaker 1: black women, congressman, congresswomen and senators, um, other women you
36:52
Speaker 1: know in public life, but we don't always hear about it,
36:58
Speaker 1: right And I think it's also like when we're talking
37:01
Speaker 1: about the layers, to think about how so much of
37:04
Speaker 1: this can thrive online. Like we always talk about the
37:08
Speaker 1: positives of social media and how we can connect and
37:11
Speaker 1: build community, but we know that the powers that be
37:15
Speaker 1: like Facebook, at Twitter, at Instagram don't actually take hate
37:19
Speaker 1: speech down. And we see these like Nazi white supremacist
37:24
Speaker 1: groups thrive on social media, and then we also see,
37:28
Speaker 1: you know, police officers are in these groups as well,
37:31
Speaker 1: and then we wonder why we have a problem. And
37:33
Speaker 1: so I, you know, if there was a different type
37:37
Speaker 1: of um I don't know, different type of measures that
37:41
Speaker 1: social media platforms can take or would take about when
37:45
Speaker 1: it comes to hate speech, I think that a lot
37:49
Speaker 1: of the a lot of this violence specifically perpetrated against
37:52
Speaker 1: women could be would be caught or would be stopped,
37:56
Speaker 1: you know. I Like, for me, a personal example is, uh,
38:00
Speaker 1: I was a student at UC Santa Barbara when Elliott
38:03
Speaker 1: Rodgers killed students at UC Santa Barbara in like a
38:07
Speaker 1: campus involved shooting. And he had a trail of writing
38:11
Speaker 1: as well, you know, in his and a lot of
38:14
Speaker 1: you know, he was in an in cell group, he
38:16
Speaker 1: was in a like one of those four Chan chains
38:19
Speaker 1: as well, and he made YouTube videos. And so if
38:21
Speaker 1: there were different steps that were take to actually protect
38:24
Speaker 1: women in society, you know, we would see less of this,
38:27
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I wanted to bring up that layer
38:29
Speaker 1: as well, that that what the internet, what the what
38:35
Speaker 1: role the internet can play as well when it comes
38:38
Speaker 1: to violence against women. Absolutely, I mean it's like the
38:41
Speaker 1: new town Square, right, and it has been. It's the
38:44
Speaker 1: digital town Square, and it has been for a very
38:45
Speaker 1: long time. And yeah, the Elliott Rodgers situation is so
38:50
Speaker 1: disturbing too. He had like YouTube videos and I remember
38:53
Speaker 1: watching seeing like in the wake of what happened on
38:56
Speaker 1: the news, then playing clips right of like his videos
38:58
Speaker 1: and his speeches and things, and you know, women, fems,
39:04
Speaker 1: transfolks like black folks online for years have been talking
39:08
Speaker 1: about this, that this is a very very big problem
39:10
Speaker 1: um hate speech and radicalization of young white people and
39:16
Speaker 1: young white men in particular, white men of all ages
39:19
Speaker 1: really on the Internet. And just like you said, you know,
39:26
Speaker 1: what do you do when the police are on the
39:28
Speaker 1: message chains and they're populating them and they're starting them,
39:32
Speaker 1: and they're their members and they believe it and they're involved,
39:37
Speaker 1: you know, and there's and and the same can be
39:40
Speaker 1: true of anybody in tech or silicon Valley or or
39:42
Speaker 1: in Facebook. You know, behind the scenes, this is really
39:46
Speaker 1: how they feel. So you know, they're going to put
39:49
Speaker 1: a lot of their their work, they're programming their efforts
39:54
Speaker 1: behind their actual and true beliefs, and so it's like
39:59
Speaker 1: are really wild sort of battle where the open forum
40:04
Speaker 1: can be good for certain types of you know, organizing,
40:08
Speaker 1: for knowledge sharing, for connecting with people, for building movements,
40:11
Speaker 1: but it also means that we're sharing space with all
40:14
Speaker 1: of this violence that's kind of just allowed to percolate.
40:17
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's I mean, it's the Internet, you know,
40:22
Speaker 1: and it's just this constant monster. But we need it.
40:27
Speaker 1: But also it's bad for us, but also it's bad
40:31
Speaker 1: for us, right, No, it's true. Yeah, No, I mean
40:36
Speaker 1: so often we talk about the beauty of social media
40:39
Speaker 1: and like clearly, like Mal and I met on social media.
40:41
Speaker 1: We've grown our platform through social media. Um, but yeah,
40:47
Speaker 1: there's also a lot of negatives to it. With anything,
40:51
Speaker 1: of course, Um, it's true, it's true. So anyways, so
40:59
Speaker 1: and way right right. So also, just to reference the
41:05
Speaker 1: article that we were referring to when we talked about
41:08
Speaker 1: we talked about Judge Esther Salas. There was an article
41:11
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41:13
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41:19
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41:23
Speaker 1: called the New Jersey shooting suspect left a pro Trump
41:25
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41:30
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41:33
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41:35
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41:52
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41:55
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42:00
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42:06
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42:11
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