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EDP12: The Weekly · Easy Double podcast

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  Music. Good evening, everyone, and
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  welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast episode 12, joined by
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  Dean Menzies on this fan Monday evening.
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  How are you doing, Dean? Good.
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  Thanks, Mike. Yeah, Monday night doing well.
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  How are you? Yeah, not so bad.
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  Pretty tired to be honest. Bit of a chaosic weekend, but
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  we'll get into that later on. Have you been in the office
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  today? Yeah, I was in the office today.
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  Pretty bit more laid back weekend by the sounds for me.
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  So it was sort of some Mother's Day bits and pieces, but sort of
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  just, yeah, bit more time spent at home, which was nice.
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  It was good. Yeah, it was Mother's Day,
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  wasn't it? Because obviously I'm still
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  sticking to the traditional UK timings of Mother's Day, so
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  they'd tax my mum, Happy Australian Mother's Day, but
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  we'd already celebrated. I can't remember when, it was
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  maybe a month or so ago. So did you get up to anything in
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  particular for that? We saw House's parents on
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  Saturday and then the the 20th sort of their first week at
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  school. So they did a bit of Mother's
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  Day craft and Aurora I think had a Mother's Day morning tea on
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  the Friday. But we all sort of they had
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  their bits and pieces that they'd made for mum and I topped
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  it up with some bits and pieces. And so we just did that with
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  some, some food on on Sunday. But yeah, it was pretty, pretty
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  low key Sunday, which was nice. Went to the park and hung out
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  together was good. Very nice.
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  I think we were just chatting off there about potentially
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  struggling for context. We were like, shit, what?
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  What results has there been? What's been going on this past
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  weekend? But we literally couldn't come
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  up with anything, could we? So if if people are aware of any
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  major results, you'll have to let us know.
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  But yeah, the running news is quite like this week.
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  Yeah, I think the only racing I saw some highlights of with
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  those relay champion, you know, there was like those relay
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  events that Australia seemed to do well up and we're talking 4
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  by 104 by 400. So not really the sort of thing
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  that typically gets us excited outside of the major
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  championship, I would say. Actually, now you say, I did see
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  something about that. It's a shame that Owen isn't
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  here some sure the article that I seen was alluding to the fact
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  that Ireland had missed out or something and may stand
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  corrected. But yeah, he's he's not here to
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  defend this nation, unfortunately.
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  But it looks like they might have missed out.
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  So it was qualifying for the world champs I think, wasn't it?
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  Yeah, yeah. And I think the the Aussies got
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  through in most of them, like I think most of them mixed, maybe
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  all of them mixed 4 by fours. And then I think maybe it's
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  either the men's or women's missed out and one of them.
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  But but yeah, it looked like from the articles I saw some
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  headlines of that the Aussies did pretty well, which is cool.
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  Oh yeah, just looking now. So in the mixed 4 by 1, if it
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  was 3 to qualify, well must have been for at least 4 to qualify
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  because Australia were fourth in that.
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  So there was Canada, Jamaica, Britain, Australia, Italy in the
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  four by one mixed. And then in the 4x4 mixed was
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  the US, Australia, Kenya, Britain and South Africa.
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  So yeah, just looking at Australia's team there, there's
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  some familiar names, but also some names that don't mean too
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  much to me. So must have been some
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  opportunities for a few people to get like their first vest and
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  stuff there, which is good stuff.
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  Yeah, probably talks pretty well to Australia's depth at the
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  minute, which is good in terms of because I don't think like
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  Gout, Gout was perhaps running. There's a few others that I
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  don't know if they're lucky Kennedy was running.
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  Like if those guys aren't running but they're still relay
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  team still doing well, that's pretty cool.
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  Yeah. And then also to just how,
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  although this week was very light, but in general right now
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  the schedule is just chaotic, isn't it?
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  So like people will will be finding that they they have to
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  start saying no to things and they can't do everything.
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  So it gives gives a lot of other people an opportunity which is
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  good. Probably on the topic of the
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  world champs, not that there were results, but the I think
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  the Australian marathon team was announced.
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  Did you say that for the world champs?
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  I I did so do you want a software?
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  Yeah, maybe just briefly. I mean, it's the only real news
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  sort of athletics that I caught a glimpse of.
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  But I think in the in the men's it was Andy Buchanan, Liam
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  Boudin and Tim Vincent. Yeah, so the two guys from
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  Brisbane and and Andy, I think Andy's already said he's he came
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  to race, which is cool because I think the around the same time
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  is the the Sydney Marathon. So I think a few people are sort
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  of you go to Sydney's the first time it's going to be a major
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  and there's a lot of Australian athlete incentives for them to
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  race there. But yeah, it'd be interesting to
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  see if those guys go. I think it said like maybe Liam
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  Burden's maybe not auto selected.
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  Maybe there's like a maybe there's like a roll down process
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  is maybe it's in the quota because they normally select
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  because I think of the three on the Andes to run the auto
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  standard, which was like 2/06/30, which is sort of fast.
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  And then the other guys have run I think 2:09 and 2:10.
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  So I suspect they're probably inside the quarter.
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  But it's maybe a big conditional on when the window perhaps
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  closes. I'm not sure.
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  But I did see an Asterix I think next to his name.
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  I think as well you're touching on obviously potentially A
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  slight clashing agenda with people doing Sydney Marathon.
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  I'm sure ahead. Is he saying a few weeks ago
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  that she was weighing up doing Sydney as well?
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  She definitely was weighing up well Sydney, but I wouldn't be
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  surprised if knowing her that she chooses to do both anyway
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  and she's gone. She's going to Europe, isn't she
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  to pursue a track season. So incredible year of like just
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  race after race and just getting involved with everything
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  continues. And what would add to that is
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  she's quite commercially minded as well, isn't she?
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  So although she'd want the prestige of running in the world
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  Champs, I think she'd she'd see the benefit of running Sydney as
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  well. Yeah, exactly.
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  I think it's really hard. I was listening to, you know,
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  the four guys, you know, from it's like paywalled, but they
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  Brett and Ryan Gregson sort of chat on a podcast through for
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  the kudos and they were talking about what the funding situation
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  is with AA for like a lot of the marathoners.
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  And I think they said that no, no Australian marathoner other
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  than Jess Stenson is getting any sort of financial support at the
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  minute, which is, you know, a bit sad, but sort of where
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  things are at. So if you're so there's just a
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  reality that if you want to try and make marathoning your, you
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  know, a more full time venture that you that's a real
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  opportunity cost of turning down some substantial appearance fees
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  and race prize money for these major championships.
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  Because you don't get, I doubt you get anything unless you're
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  finishing really high up in the world champs and finishing in
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  the top ten in there. It's really hard.
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  So yeah, it's a really tricky spot on.
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  I'm sure you want to race for your country, but at the same
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  time you probably need to make a living to keep doing what you
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  want to do so. Well, that lends itself to that
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  story. I don't know if we spoke about
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  it on the part or in training when Ben Connor, the British
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  guy, turned down the opportunity to run the European Road Running
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  Championships because it would have had to been self funded.
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  And I think he explained it was going to cost.
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  I mean, doesn't really matter how much it was going to cost
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  him because the fact it's costing him anything in the 1st
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  place is the story. But I think it was about 1000 LB
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  maybe to go and represent Great Britain basically.
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  And he was kind of just making a stance there as if to say, this
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  is obviously for for myself, but also for athletes further down
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  the line, future generations as well.
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  Like if this is one of the opportunities that potentially
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  like young people and those getting their first Great
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  Britain vest could be presented with.
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  So even more so the case for a not so established athlete, if
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  you like to ask them to cover their own costs is a little bit
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  outrageous. And people were saying like the
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  brands should cover it. So like the athlete sponsor, but
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  not necessarily are they going to have a sponsorship deal.
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  So it should come from the the governing body like British
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  Athletics in that instance. All these kind of races to fund
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  athletes to go and represent the country should be in their
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  budget for the year. Like they should obviously plan
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  for these things. So they have a sorry state of
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  affairs, really. Yeah, yeah, it's sad state of
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  affairs. I should mention the other two
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  athletes that were selected on the women's side were Leanne
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  Pompiani and Vanessa Wilson. So I think Vanessa and Liam I
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  think have been selected by a A, but they sort of, it's based on
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  I think quite a roll down. So I think there needs to be a,
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  the spots sort of need to open up for them based on the quote
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  quota. So there's a limit, a cap on the
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  number of people that can participate in the field.
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  I think for the marathon, it used to be closer to 100 and and
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  now if it's closer to 60, like they've reduced the field size
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  for the marathon and then it's always capped at 3 per country.
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  So it's the article that I'm looking at rates like the that
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  those two athletes are waiting for for roll down before they
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  get selected. So perhaps the periods ended and
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  it's just based on a nomination and selection process, because I
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  suppose that was a knock on a A some years ago, people would
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  make the qualifying standard but wouldn't get selected, which is
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  really disappointing. Whereas now it seems like a, A
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  selectors at least are sort of doing their bit by selecting
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  and, you know, selecting full teams and sending full teams,
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  which is really good because I know like British Athletics and
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  even New Zealand athletics, A guy that I've met a few times
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  through, through some of these marathons, Caden Shields, he
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  runs for New Zealand and he's sort of run some of these.
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  I think he ran 212 recently. Is that the guy who moves his
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  coaching? Yeah, yeah.
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  So he was at the World Champs in Doha 2019, but I met him 2023 in
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  Osaka and 2023 at the Gold Coast Marathon.
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  He ran both of those marathons. I'm sort of chatting to him
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  because he's sort of trying to run standards to get selected by
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  New Zealand, New Zealand Athletics.
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  I think he was in the quarter in 2023.
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  I can't remember if this was it's probably Budapest world
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  champs, but New Zealand Athletics I think had I think he
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  knew he would nominate but be unsuccessful.
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  They sort of wouldn't send unless I don't know if it's like
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  podium particular. There's some real strict
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  criteria that some countries have.
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  So even though you're sort of which is just ridiculous, like
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  you sort of World Athletics has created this point system.
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  So that's so World Athletics sort of lifted the standards
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  such that the auto qualifying times became really difficult to
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  make. And that sort of meant that
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  fields wouldn't get filled just by running the standard like
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  they did Once Upon a time. And then you had these point
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  system and the the beauty of the point system was it encouraged
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  people to race like their area championships.
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  So say, that's why Kaden rented went and raced Gold Coast
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  because Gold Coast was Oceania champs and it had a heap of
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  bonus points to help him in the in his quest to sort of get the
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  points to be inside the World Athletics quota for the say, the
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  top 60 ranked marathoners capped at three, you know, 3 per
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  country. And so he sort of sat within
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  that quota, but I think didn't get selected.
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  And I know similar stories like when I think Moose ran to 14 for
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  that Doha. I think Nikhil ran at the same
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  time as him, but was running for British Athletics.
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  And I think sort of knew that maybe he wouldn't be a chance to
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  get selected because of the way British athletics were when it
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  came to collecting athletes at the time.
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  And Australia did used to be like that Once Upon a time, but
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  it really seemingly moved away from it, which is really good.
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  It's so bad, isn't it? Like, okay, fair enough, you
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  want your athletes to do as well as they can, but like, how do
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  you expect people to even get to be in a position to be trying to
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  podium if they're if they're not being given the experience in
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  the first place? Yeah, and like knocking that,
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  knocking people out who have met the qualifying criteria when
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  they're not even getting any money from you as the
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  administrative body to begin with.
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  Yes, it's sad side of where the sport's at, which is why sort of
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  when you hear people racing say like choosing Sydney over it,
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  you can sort of understand it because you're trying to fund
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  yourself because the funding and support is not coming from
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  anywhere else. When you compare it to other
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  sports, like very rarely the people come from nowhere to be
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  world class instantaneously. Like whether that be if you
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  compare it to a team or like individuals, often it's like a
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  journey, isn't it? And it takes years and years and
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  years to kind of reach the highest level.
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  So when you compare that to not being selected even though you
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  can in the quota, but OK, you're not going to podium.
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  It's just ridiculous, isn't it? You need a start and point.
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  You need a base to work. From yeah, I doubt you just go
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  straight from, you know, running your local fun run to winning a
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  gold medal. OK, like Connor Manse has been
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  very vocal and in the lead UPS of Boston wasn't either.
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  He's basically saying now that if you want to be a major
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  winner, then you have to start podium in for a while first and
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  kind of put yourself in that position.
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  And what's he been doing in the lead up to now is he's been
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  finishing in the top ten and stuff.
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  So it's it's a journey isn't it? Like you're not just going to
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  enter a major and then win it. Yeah, yeah, short sighted.
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  Anyway, there's there's the actually just before we move,
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  move on from that, is that going to be him Vincents first vest or
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  has he represents in Australia before?
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  I think he, I recall him representing Australia at the
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  world half marathon champ that would have been in 2023.
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  So he's probably, I don't know if he's been on world cross team
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  and stuff like that, but yeah. The first time a world champs in
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  terms of like running the marathon or he hasn't been for
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  the Olympics either. Yeah, I think I was, yeah, at
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  the Gold Coast Marathon when I think, I think he debuted in
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  2023. So I think he's only pretty new
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  to the marathon. And same for Liam Bouden.
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  I think Liam Bouden's debut was at the Gold Coast the year
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  later, 2024. So he's a lot younger guys that
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  have that have both run fast over the half marathon that
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  yeah, have converted their fast halves to fast marathons.
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  Yeah. So big opportunities there.
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  And I've just looked as well at the temperature in Tokyo in
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  September because it just came to me because I know they do get
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  really, really hot summers, don't they?
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  And I think their summer is kind of usually that July, August
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  time. So according to this, typical
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  highs range can range from 26 to 28 in the daytime with
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  occasional peaks of 32. So it sounds like it could be a
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  warm one, which makes for interest in racing, doesn't it
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  doesn't necessarily just mean that the fastest guy is going to
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  win. So yeah, that should be
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  something to look forward to the different dynamic.
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  So shall we talk about the training that we've done this
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  week because on the back of last week, hopefully it's we're going
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  to have more to speak about and we've actually done some running
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  this week and you can take us away first if you'd like.
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  Yeah, yeah, can do. Yeah.
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  So yeah, I think I'd run 20 KS I think the week before.
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  So this week there's an improvement.
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  So yeah, on Monday, just 2 easy easy runs.
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  I was trying to work out where I was running from Monday morning.
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  I remember school drop off, so 21st day of school then ran to
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  the office and then yeah, ran home from the office.
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  So just two easy runs on Monday. Trying to you're already before
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  you before you get to like any of your sessions and stuff.
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  I wanted to, if you go back to last week, you'd had like a bit
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  of illness and stuff, hadn't you?
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  And obviously you've done like barely any running.
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  So what, what's kind of your mindset going into this week?
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  What were you hoping for from it?
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  Just to sort of take it a bit day-to-day.
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  So I think my quads were still pretty a bit sore when I did go
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  for a couple of jogs. I sort of, we'd had sort of
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  gastro go through the house. So gastro is generally not too
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  bad in terms of like, I mean, it's terrible when you've got
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  it, but it's not too bad after, you know, once you're well.
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  So. So yeah, I just sort of, I
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  remember doing those jogs on Monday, just saw a bit of a dull
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  ache in the quads. And then it was really just, you
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  know, chatted to raft and we thought maybe I'd do a session
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  on Thursday if I feel up to it. But I sort of just taking it
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  each day and just seeing how I felt.
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  I sort of jogged to and from work, so I was going to do that
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  all being well, regardless of whether or not I did a session.
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  But it was just more, hey, we're how do my legs feel?
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  And the hope of the week was to maybe just return to some sort
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  of training if I felt up to it. But if I didn't like, it's no
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  big deal. If I miss a run, it's no big
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  deal. It's sort of, yeah, I'm sort of,
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  we'll we'll train if I can, but I sort of won't, won't force
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  things like let's say if you're at the back end of a block, you
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  want to tick all your boxes and ignore some discomfort.
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  If I was feeling a bit off, I just wouldn't do as much.
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  So that was sort of the mindset. And so, yeah, Monday just to jog
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  Tuesday yet Tuesday just your regular commutes to from the
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  office. So nothing super special there
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  again, I think. So they still weren't fantastic.
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  I think this is what, 10 days after the marathon?
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  They certainly weren't feeling amazing.
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  But then on Wednesday, I worked from home on on Wednesday, put
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  on a faster pair of shoes. I can't remember what I put on.
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  I put on something a bit snappier, some probably with a
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  plate in it and did a run and sort of started picking it up.
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  That was like a little bit under an hour, an average 4 minute K
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  pace. So I don't know if it was quite
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  a steady run, but I was sort of got going and I just thought I'd
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  see how my legs felt and actually didn't feel too bad.
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  So I was like, oh, here we go. Like maybe I'm starting to turn
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  the corner, which is good. And then so that was at lunch
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  and then that night I got out just for an easy half hour.
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  Had to nip to the shop to get a couple of bits and pieces so I
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  threw a backpack on and did a jog on my way.
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  Do you think alluding to how your legs were like that heavy
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  and dull and stuff Monday, Tuesday still, that kind of
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  shows the danger of jumping back into training a little bit too
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  quickly, doesn't it? Because the fact that you're, I
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  mean, in general, you're very well conditioned, like you're
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  blocked. You, you run like incredibly
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  high mileage and stuff for a long time.
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  And then it shows that ten days after the race, your legs still
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  aren't backed together in one piece.
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  But you can kind of sometimes miss that sense in the week, the
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  week after Kanye. And you can think you're OK
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  because you've had three or four days easy.
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  Then you jump into a workout and then all of a sudden you you're
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  feeling worse than you were beforehand.
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  Yeah, for sure. Like, yeah, I think it's, yeah,
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  it's definitely individual. Like I like I've felt better and
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  worse after different marathon blocks, but certainly after this
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  one, like everything. And I know I've had some like
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  hamstring. Issues in the past, sort of
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  getting back into faster workouts soon after a marathon.
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  But like, normally it's my quads and my quads felt pretty trashed
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  after Ballarat, so it was really just waiting until they started
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  to feel good. It's sort of been a bit of the
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  waiting game. Everything else seems like it
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  feels OK. But yeah, the problem is you're
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  pretty fresh, like because you sort of freshen up a lot, you
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  feel that freshness. And so you can, you sort of, and
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  you haven't ripped something in a while.
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  So there's definitely a temptation to want to get stuck
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  in. But you sort of just, I don't
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  know, got to give your body two or three weeks if you feel like
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  you need it before you sort of get too carried away.
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  So I remember last year after Gold Coast, I don't, I felt like
• 20:50
  I had a really good kind of like recovery afterwards because I'd
• 20:54
  done nothing on the Sunday, nothing on the Monday.
• 20:57
  I think swam Tuesday, cross trained Wednesday and then was
• 21:01
  running again Thursday. And then I remember I'd done
• 21:04
  park run on the Saturday and I went down with the intention of
• 21:08
  just like kind of jogging around and being so sure because few of
• 21:11
  the lads I'd trained with were there.
• 21:13
  And then because like you say, I felt so fresh.
• 21:17
  But because I hadn't done too much in that week, I ended up
• 21:21
  running like it really progressive.
• 21:23
  And the last couple of K was like almost flat out.
• 21:26
  And then afterwards and the next day I was like, I'm just back to
• 21:30
  square one. Like I feel awful again because
• 21:32
  you just can't handle that load. Well, I couldn't handle that
• 21:36
  load at the time. So we'll get to this with my
• 21:39
  training week. But that's why I'm glad that
• 21:42
  it's kind of been such a soft and slow approach in terms of
• 21:45
  getting back to it this time. Yeah, I think getting stuck in,
• 21:48
  you know, you often can do more harm than than good getting
• 21:52
  stuck in straight straight away. Right.
• 21:54
  So I was actually just trying to toggle back to you as you were
• 21:59
  talking through what you did. Reminded me of like 2023.
• 22:02
  I think I'd taken like done nothing for a week and then I
• 22:06
  just eased back into a session maybe the second week after what
• 22:10
  I was doing. And then the following Sunday or
• 22:13
  maybe I had two light weeks of jogging, got down to the track
• 22:16
  for the first time, which would be like us tomorrow night.
• 22:19
  And then the next day after doing this big track session and
• 22:21
  just, you know, just sort of getting back into it.
• 22:24
  I they released like all the some prize money for Perth and
• 22:27
  then by that Sunday I decided to do a marathon.
• 22:30
  So you never know what what's on the hook.
• 22:34
  So is is that a hint that you might be running a marathon on
• 22:37
  the? Weekend.
• 22:38
  I hope not, but you know you do some strange things from today.
• 22:42
  You know, there's no, because you can, there's multiple,
• 22:46
  multiple options, isn't there multiple ways to come back from
• 22:49
  a marathon? But for now, I think I'm just
• 22:51
  trying to get back into some training.
• 22:53
  At least that was my my thinking last week.
• 22:55
  That's the the accountancy talk, isn't it?
• 22:58
  Not into certainty. That's it.
• 23:00
  No, don't talk in absolutes. Rarely.
• 23:02
  And, and now that you're on a podcast and everything's
• 23:05
  recorded and people can call you out on it even more.
• 23:09
  So that's right. Never say never.
• 23:12
  Never say never, but yeah, so Thursday ran into the office and
• 23:17
  Thursday night jogged down to Lake Munger and there was a
• 23:22
  session was the Monofart Lake. So, yeah, there's a couple of
• 23:28
  guys there, Max and Tom Cross, They were both there and I think
• 23:36
  they had an idea of what sort of places they wanted to do.
• 23:39
  And RAF is on the bike. So we sort of rolled round
• 23:43
  together and did a did a monitor together.
• 23:47
  I was sort of at the back, at least for the first bit just to
• 23:50
  make sure that I wasn't going to injure myself and or you know,
• 23:54
  overage early sort of with that monitor that can sort of sting a
• 23:58
  bit. And the, you know, when once,
• 24:00
  you know, if you've gone too hard because those 32nd efforts,
• 24:03
  you're sort of not getting that change of pace that you want to
• 24:05
  get. But yeah, things felt, things
• 24:09
  felt all right. Actually, I didn't feel it was a
• 24:10
  beautiful night, sort of lakeside.
• 24:13
  Like it was very still sort of this recently hot during the
• 24:18
  day. We've had this lovely run of
• 24:20
  weather. But like, yeah, just a cracking
• 24:22
  night. And so, yeah, I felt pretty good
• 24:25
  getting around the track, getting around the level.
• 24:27
  How you've feeling at the prospect of doing a monitor on
• 24:30
  that Thursday? Because that's obviously very
• 24:32
  comparable to every other time you've done it, isn't it?
• 24:36
  Are you kind of like going into it thinking, well, I completely
• 24:40
  don't care kind of what distance I get from this and what paces
• 24:44
  I'm splitting or you kind of thinking, shit, I'm just on the
• 24:48
  back of a marathon, like I'm supposedly very fit.
• 24:51
  I would like to see this come out like quite favourably in in
• 24:55
  terms of other. Ones I didn't know it was going
• 24:58
  to be a modern until I got there.
• 24:59
  Like I didn't know what the workout was.
• 25:01
  And then when I heard it was a modern, I was a bit annoyed
• 25:04
  because I didn't want to get too carried away because it's, it's
• 25:07
  not the point. The point was more just to get
• 25:09
  down and do something. The point's not to get injured.
• 25:12
  So I was keen not to go too hard.
• 25:15
  But then the nice thing is if you have a couple of people that
• 25:18
  are prepared to chop out reps and sort of push you along and
• 25:22
  it's like so much more enjoyable than knocking it out by
• 25:25
  yourself. So once by the time I got there
• 25:27
  warmed up, I felt fine in my life strides and stuff.
• 25:30
  I thought I'll go with the guys and see what it was, but I
• 25:32
  didn't really have a time in mind.
• 25:34
  I just thought we'd do the ONS around 3 minutes and the floats
• 25:38
  around 3:20 so that would come out at whatever it came out at,
• 25:42
  but I sort of didn't. We ended up running a bit
• 25:44
  quicker than that, which was surprising.
• 25:48
  But yeah, that wasn't the point. And I normally find to be
• 25:50
  honest, I normally don't get too excited until maybe 8 weeks
• 25:53
  after a marathon. I find so like, I don't think
• 25:56
  I'll be, I don't think I'll be fully fit for another six weeks
• 26:00
  to be honest. So I'm not really, I don't
• 26:03
  really care about what my workouts are right now.
• 26:06
  And if they're good, then that's, that's great.
• 26:08
  That's I'm fitter than what I thought I would be.
• 26:10
  But I don't really, I'm sort of, yeah, if I'm to pick a race or
• 26:14
  something to probably train for, then I'd want to pick it for at
• 26:17
  least 8 weeks, maybe 10 weeks from now.
• 26:19
  So I'm sort of just more just at least these next couple of
• 26:22
  weeks. I just want to tick off some
• 26:23
  boxes of training. I mean, maybe there's some local
• 26:25
  races that you know, you get tempted to doing, but I
• 26:28
  certainly won't be doing them on the basis and I'm trying to
• 26:31
  produce produced my best optimal result I suppose is in, in terms
• 26:36
  of my own personal performance, you know.
• 26:38
  Did you see, you know, RAF done a reel from that session, didn't
• 26:41
  he? Yeah, yeah.
• 26:44
  Yeah. Did you see Jordan Donnelly
• 26:46
  commented on it and asked him, well, he just put Millimo
• 26:50
  question mark and I feel like it was a little bit of a loaded
• 26:54
  question as if to say like are you getting them working too
• 26:57
  hard for an inverted commas threshold?
• 27:00
  Yeah. Do you reckon that's what was
• 27:02
  being asked there? Yeah, and I've just gone back to
• 27:04
  it now because I wanted to, didn't want to miss quotes.
• 27:08
  And I've seen that Tommy Crafts has replied saying no .1 for me,
• 27:13
  7.5 for the. Other two he's a dickhead given
• 27:21
  given we didn't finish together, I don't know if his was quite
• 27:24
  nought .1 so he was audibly complaining at my floats.
• 27:31
  He didn't. Yeah, it was floating a bit
• 27:33
  quicker than what it had in Training Peaks.
• 27:36
  And the rest of the marathon fitness.
• 27:38
  Yeah, yeah. I don't find, I generally find
• 27:41
  I've lost a bit of fitness at this point.
• 27:42
  You sort of had two weeks of tapering and then a couple weeks
• 27:45
  of not doing a lot. So but yeah, the model was good
• 27:48
  and my legs didn't feel too bad, which is which is a positive.
• 27:52
  But yeah, hopefully onwards and upwards.
• 27:55
  I was going to ask you about this when it comes to my week
• 27:58
  because it was something I was asking myself, but you've just
• 28:01
  kind of touched on it there. Do you think that during this
• 28:04
  week you have lost? Not during this week.
• 28:08
  So like by now you have lost a fair bit of fitness.
• 28:12
  And is that obviously it's physically, but is a lot of it
• 28:15
  mentally you think as well because you've kind of the race
• 28:18
  is out the way and you kind of just almost like let go of
• 28:22
  everything And then like the true feel kind of comes to the
• 28:26
  surface. And that rather than like,
• 28:29
  absolutely holding on to every last inch and squeezing out
• 28:32
  everything you can, it's just like, OK, let's just like, let
• 28:35
  it be what it is now. I just think you just lose
• 28:39
  fitness because you sort of like if you take the last seven
• 28:42
  weeks, so say like at the peak of your training block and let's
• 28:45
  say you've freshened up for a few days, but you've put in this
• 28:48
  really nice training block where you're under that progressive
• 28:51
  overload for like a month or two.
• 28:53
  And you're sort of you're sitting in that state of where
• 28:56
  you know that fatigue score is greater than your current
• 28:58
  fitness score as far as training peaks would illustrate it.
• 29:01
  When, and I think you're in that state, you, I think you're
• 29:04
  building fitness. And then what you do for a race
• 29:07
  is you remove that layer of fatigue.
• 29:10
  Your fitness maybe drops a a smidge, but you get so much from
• 29:14
  the taper that it, it, it sort of negates any sort of small
• 29:18
  fitness loss. Whereas and so that's what
• 29:20
  happens. And that's why you freshen up.
• 29:22
  That's why you do a big training block and then freshen up up and
• 29:24
  do a race. I just generally find like with
• 29:27
  the marathon, you, you do two or three weeks of sort of tapering
• 29:30
  into a marathon. The week after the marathon you
• 29:33
  don't really run and then you're only just sort of dipping into
• 29:36
  sessions now. Like if I looked at my training
• 29:39
  load right now, particularly for the last say 5 weeks, if I
• 29:42
  rolled back, say you know to about six or seven weeks ago
• 29:46
  when it was very high, I've sort of lost a chunk of training
• 29:50
  load. So I just don't think.
• 29:51
  And so my legs. And so whilst you sort of fairly
• 29:54
  fresh in a training load sense, that can't compensate for the
• 29:59
  fact that you've just lost a fair bit of your fitness by just
• 30:02
  not have you just not done that many in the last four or five
• 30:05
  weeks, I've done barely any workouts and done barely any
• 30:08
  volume comparatively that I can't expect my body to perform
• 30:12
  like it could even it though it's sort of relatively low the
• 30:15
  training load. Couple that with I think like I
• 30:18
  just find particularly the marathon, if you do an all out
• 30:20
  marathon effort, like my legs are wrecked and I don't find I
• 30:23
  get over that for three weeks. So I think you have AI think
• 30:29
  you've sort of D trained for one of a better term over that last
• 30:32
  month and you've absolutely minced your legs.
• 30:35
  Like I'm sort of like, oh, I need to in my mind.
• 30:39
  And like you say, maybe it's part mental as well, but I've
• 30:41
  worked a heart rate monitor on in the past, like and tried to
• 30:45
  RIP myself in workouts soon after I've come back.
• 30:47
  Like I can't produce the same results as what I could when I'm
• 30:51
  absolutely flying. So I don't and I don't expect to
• 30:55
  be able to. So I sort of just disconnect
• 30:57
  from any sort of PBS and running great workouts and all that sort
• 31:01
  of stuff for 6-8 weeks and, and I'll take stock then and
• 31:06
  hopefully by then I'll be running pretty well.
• 31:08
  The, do you remember that graph, the chart, the image, the RAF
• 31:13
  sensors in whilst we were tapering?
• 31:15
  And it was kind of like there was one line to represent
• 31:18
  fatigue, one to represent train and load, and one to represent
• 31:22
  performance and kind of how they interact with each other as you
• 31:27
  increase or decrease them. That is a really good visual
• 31:30
  representation of what you've just explained, isn't it?
• 31:33
  So I'll try and dig that out and put it on the story so that
• 31:36
  hopefully people can make sense of what we're saying.
• 31:39
  Yeah. And like Training Peaks has some
• 31:41
  great charts when you can sort of see the relationship between
• 31:44
  your fitness scores and your fatigue scores and freshness
• 31:47
  scores and you can like it. I know for me it sort of
• 31:50
  correlates when when my training loads high and then when I
• 31:53
  freshen up, generally run my, you know, sort of get the best
• 31:56
  out of myself. So yeah, I tend to follow that.
• 31:59
  And I can tell you what my CTO, my training load is today.
• 32:02
  I can tell you what it was four or five weeks ago.
• 32:05
  And yeah, it's not quite what it was, but yeah.
• 32:08
  So onto Friday again, the standard sort of two easy runs
• 32:13
  to and from the office. Yeah, legs were a little bit
• 32:16
  sore after the mono, but nothing too bad.
• 32:18
  So which meant that I thought I'll come down to the session on
• 32:22
  Saturday. And it was, it was crazy where
• 32:25
  it was at like Munga. And there's just people
• 32:27
  absolutely everywhere. I think a lot of people doing a
• 32:30
  workout ahead of the HBF run for a reason which is very popular
• 32:36
  412 or 21 K fund run in Perth. So yeah.
• 32:40
  So a lot of athletes either on like casual programs or or
• 32:43
  specific HBF run for a reason programs or are just our regular
• 32:48
  guys doing their session, sort of Ben, who takes a lot of the
• 32:51
  track guys. Some of those guys were down as
• 32:54
  well, as well as the regular sort of Saturday tempo guys.
• 32:58
  So it was very busy down at Lake Munga and we had two K reps so
• 33:03
  just five by two Ki think because the lake was so busy, we
• 33:07
  ended up doing these two K reps as an out and back.
• 33:09
  So it was like 1K out and then do AU turn and come back, which
• 33:12
  upset me quite a bit, but you sort of just do what you told.
• 33:16
  But I would have much preferred them to have been continuous
• 33:19
  rather than chucking AU turn each time.
• 33:22
  With a stand in recovery or did you jog through?
• 33:25
  Just a light, light jog, like it's like 9090 seconds, I think
• 33:29
  just a very slow jog. And yeah, there was a bit of a
• 33:32
  group of us, yeah, maybe about six of us sort of all rolling
• 33:36
  through. I think we're they're in about
• 33:39
  310 pace. And yeah, sort of tick them off.
• 33:43
  All felt everything felt OK, which was good.
• 33:48
  Yeah. Happy to have got a second
• 33:50
  workout in, sort of enjoyed doing it, enjoyed being with the
• 33:54
  group. I didn't feel amazing, but felt
• 33:57
  it felt completely fine. Didn't feel like it was too hard
• 33:59
  or anything, which was good. And then Sunday got out with
• 34:03
  Josh just for for 90 minutes. He was doing 90 minutes.
• 34:06
  I was maybe going to go a bit longer, but I thought I'd better
• 34:09
  get home and get stuck into Mother's Day.
• 34:12
  Yeah, nice. So what did that round out you?
• 34:14
  Weaker. I think it's like 130 something,
• 34:18
  133 it's. Just a slight improvement on
• 34:21
  last week. That's a little bit more than
• 34:23
  last week. People will say, weren't they
• 34:26
  like, well, some, some people will say like when you're
• 34:28
  building mileage, like add whatever formulas people work
• 34:32
  with like 5% weekly and stuff. But feel like when, when you've
• 34:36
  got so much mileage behind you, you're pretty safe to jump back
• 34:40
  to kind of like a pretty solid base, aren't you?
• 34:43
  Like you've done there. Yeah, I think I've averaged like
• 34:46
  close to 130 KS for like the last five years or something.
• 34:50
  So 100. And so sort of does it just
• 34:53
  feel, yeah, it's doesn't feel like too much.
• 34:56
  Yeah, it would. It wouldn't serve any purpose to
• 35:00
  run 80 K, then 100K, then 120 K Would that like it's not really
• 35:04
  going to do any favours for you as opposed to just running that
• 35:07
  130 K week? Yeah, I don't think, yeah, I
• 35:10
  mean, I could do that, but, and that would be very conservative,
• 35:16
  but yeah, I don't know. I'm to be honest, you know, I'm
• 35:19
  not going to be potentially able to be competitive forever.
• 35:23
  I'd rather try and see what I can do.
• 35:27
  And I sort of know this must be about my 10th marathon or
• 35:31
  thereabouts. I sort of know what is quite
• 35:34
  risky and what I can get away with.
• 35:36
  So sort of bearing that in mind, but yeah, that sort of weight
• 35:41
  didn't feel like it was too much.
• 35:42
  Good. Sounds like yeah, you're back
• 35:44
  and the wheels are in motion. And now as we sit here on Monday
• 35:48
  night, you're feeling pretty good.
• 35:49
  Ready to roll into this week? Yeah, hopefully again, like if
• 35:53
  something flares up I'll back off.
• 35:55
  But yeah, I'll all be and well be at the track tomorrow night.
• 35:58
  I was going to ask you this at the end maybe, but I'll ask you
• 36:01
  now. Any closer to being able to say
• 36:05
  what the next race might be? Did I mention I have an entry
• 36:10
  for Valencia? Did I mention that I.
• 36:12
  Think we spoke about it offline? I asked you if you'd sent the
• 36:15
  e-mail. Yeah, so I emailed Kieran
• 36:20
  Perkins. He's coaches Kieran or has coach
• 36:23
  Kieran in the past and he's he shared an e-mail with me last
• 36:29
  week and that must have been around the time that those
• 36:31
  entries open. So yeah, I sent an e-mail to
• 36:33
  that e-mail address and they confirmed that my times met the
• 36:39
  qualifying criteria. So whatever that means.
• 36:42
  And I think they said they'll be in touch with some sort of code
• 36:45
  or something where I can go in and register.
• 36:47
  So I'll do that. So that's an entry for Valencia.
• 36:50
  So that might be the main thing to focus on at the back end of
• 36:54
  the year is to try and crescendo towards that.
• 36:56
  Yeah, well, it's nice to know that the entry is there if you
• 36:59
  want it and if you're going to be able to be fit for it.
• 37:02
  Exactly. It's gives you something to
• 37:04
  softly focus on for now, doesn't it?
• 37:07
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there, yeah, there's heaps,
• 37:09
  there's so many good races. So yeah, in the very short term,
• 37:13
  just building fitness and then beyond that I'll start racing I.
• 37:17
  Mean it's kind of embarrassing, but it's funny.
• 37:19
  So I'll say it. I, I sent an e-mail to that
• 37:22
  Valencia thing as well, full fully knowing that I didn't hit
• 37:26
  the criteria, but I just thought I'll see if I can just kind of
• 37:29
  slip through the net. But they they told me that my
• 37:34
  World Athletics profile didn't quite stack.
• 37:37
  Open to to try the next ballot. Was it the, I forget the name,
• 37:42
  but there's some bloke who was like the main person, Marginal
• 37:47
  says. So we say, let let you down
• 37:49
  gently. Yeah, I didn't get as I didn't
• 37:51
  Scroll down as far as the best wishes, the Santiago sign off
• 37:58
  swipe the e-mail by then, but it was the criteria, the entry
• 38:01
  criteria was sub 220 or sub 66 for 1/2.
• 38:06
  OK. Yeah, I didn't know.
• 38:08
  OK. Yeah.
• 38:09
  Where did you? Was that on their website?
• 38:11
  Was it? Yeah, I think maybe Brady and
• 38:13
  Toby were speaking about it the other week.
• 38:15
  So then I kind of dug it out somewhere.
• 38:18
  It wasn't too clear that what the e-mail was, to be honest
• 38:21
  with you, and it was in broken English and stuff.
• 38:23
  But yeah, seemingly it landed in the right place.
• 38:25
  But they, they sent me on my way, which is fine.
• 38:28
  And I did text, you didn't. Would you?
• 38:29
  If you got an entry, would you still contemplate it?
• 38:33
  I mean, I've said all the way up until this point that like,
• 38:35
  because I'm going back to Europe in like 2 weeks now actually,
• 38:39
  that I wouldn't be going again this year.
• 38:41
  But it depends how my running mood is at that time.
• 38:45
  Clearly when I've sent this e-mail, I was thinking Europe in
• 38:49
  December again, sounds good. And I think I did briefly look
• 38:52
  at flights to kind of see whether that was a sensible
• 38:56
  thought or not. And maybe I was hoping to see
• 38:59
  like $3000 and that would kind of be the be the end of it.
• 39:03
  But they were pretty reasonable, to be honest.
• 39:05
  And a good, good kind of maybe I don't say this because people
• 39:08
  might book them out and then they'll be crap.
• 39:11
  But I mean, you can, you can tell me to remove it if you
• 39:14
  want. But I think it was like Tuesday
• 39:17
  to Tuesday with Qatar. So like you're getting in fairly
• 39:20
  decent amount of time ahead of the race.
• 39:22
  Maybe you'd want to go earlier and then you've got a day or so
• 39:26
  after to kind of celebrate, hopefully was $1700 return,
• 39:31
  yeah. That is pretty good and guitar
• 39:33
  is such a nice airline to travel with.
• 39:35
  Yeah, exactly. I think so.
• 39:36
  That was to maybe Madrid and then you would have to get a
• 39:39
  train to Valencia. Interesting.
• 39:41
  So that route will be sold out by this time tomorrow.
• 39:45
  So you might have to get them. In the morning.
• 39:49
  Like then, shall I tell you what I have and have not done this
• 39:53
  week? Please.
• 39:54
  So what that last week I done maybe 30 odd K and that was
• 40:00
  because I'd had like 3 complete days off, maybe 4 actually, and
• 40:04
  then just started to do some jogging towards the end of the
• 40:06
  week. And then so this week I seen
• 40:10
  that on my program on Monday was a double but.
• 40:14
  The double being a cross train. So I decided to do the cross
• 40:17
  train Monday morning and I was a little bit nervous because I
• 40:20
  didn't know in waking up on Monday morning what my
• 40:23
  motivation was going to be to go and jump on the cross trainer
• 40:26
  with the prospect of doing a double that day.
• 40:30
  But I cross trained fine and kind of quite enjoyed it.
• 40:33
  So afterwards I was pretty positive like OK, this is good.
• 40:37
  I'm happy to get back into like some sort of full training here.
• 40:41
  So Monday evening I got out from a double, if I can call it a
• 40:45
  double given that it was cross train.
• 40:47
  Well the first part was a cross train, so 45 minute run in the
• 40:51
  evening for about 9 K. And I should add that on Monday
• 40:56
  night my girlfriend's sister and her boyfriend had flown over to
• 41:01
  stay with us from the UK, so they're only 20 and 21 I think.
• 41:07
  So I was on the airport run, the 2:00 AM collection, which was
• 41:12
  wonderful given I was in the office on Tuesday morning when I
• 41:17
  went to get my coffee. Actually on the way into work.
• 41:19
  I always go to the same coffee shop and get the same order.
• 41:22
  And usually I'll order a regular, say, extra hot, as
• 41:26
  we've already discussed, controversially on On this day,
• 41:33
  because of the broken sleep, I asked for a large and she was
• 41:36
  like a large. And I was like, yeah,
• 41:40
  absolutely. So maiden anyway.
• 41:45
  And then after work, I think I had 60 minutes in the program on
• 41:49
  Tuesday. So again, no kind of intensity
• 41:53
  planned, just 60 minutes time on feet.
• 41:56
  But as Dean touched on with the freshness in the legs, this just
• 42:00
  came out as 4/20 per K, which is a lot faster than I was usually
• 42:04
  just jog for on a recovery room. But I'm not really looking at
• 42:07
  pace. I'm just having fun at this
• 42:09
  stage. So that was that.
• 42:11
  And then Wednesday I was picking up the visitors from Scarborough
• 42:17
  Beach. They went to watch sunset up
• 42:19
  there, so I thought I'd take the opportunity to go and run along
• 42:22
  the coast for change scenery, which was nice.
• 42:24
  Done 10 K, 427 per K. And then Thursday was the first
• 42:30
  planned bit of intensity since a week Sunday prior.
• 42:35
  So I was a little bit apprehensive as to how this will
• 42:39
  go. It was only 20 minutes steady
• 42:41
  and some strides, but Thursday was potentially unseasonably
• 42:47
  warm. Is it?
• 42:48
  Was the warm the heat last week unseasonable or?
• 42:51
  Yeah, yeah, okay, so Thursday was like 30° I think, wasn't it?
• 42:56
  Maybe it's peak. I'll tell you it was because I
• 43:01
  went out on my lunch break around midday.
• 43:04
  And it's normally like mid 20s. It's sort of, you know, 25 to 27
• 43:08
  by now. It's not not 3032 like it was on
• 43:11
  Thursday. So I'm trying to think.
• 43:15
  I think I had the Avios pro threes on for this and I thought
• 43:20
  I wouldn't really use. Usually I'd do a steady run by
• 43:23
  heart rate, but I thought I'm not going to use heart rate
• 43:26
  because it's 30° and my heart rate probably isn't going to
• 43:30
  reflect the fitness that it was a couple of weeks ago.
• 43:33
  So I'll just kind of do this to how a steady should feel, but I
• 43:38
  was looking at my heart rate throughout and then as it turns
• 43:42
  out, I was kind of laughing almost because I think the
• 43:46
  steady element was 346 is I think it was on average.
• 43:50
  But jeez, my heart rate was like, I think tempo was cutting
• 43:54
  it fine. It was closer to the threshold.
• 43:58
  It actually felt really good. Like, afterwards, I was so glad
• 44:03
  to have done it. And, you know, like, that first,
• 44:05
  that Thursday was the first one back for you as well.
• 44:08
  Like, you just go out to get it out the way and kind of feel
• 44:11
  like you've done a bit of a workout again, aren't you?
• 44:13
  And it doesn't really matter whether it was good or bad on
• 44:16
  paper. It's just like, OK, that's good
• 44:18
  because I've done it. Yeah.
• 44:20
  So that was exactly how this felt, like awful on paper.
• 44:23
  But I was just happy about it because it kind of draws a line
• 44:27
  in the sand. And then as you said, you can
• 44:29
  just kind of work from there. So this weekend we actually went
• 44:35
  down to Dunsborough for the weekend.
• 44:37
  So Friday morning, drove down really early and I was half
• 44:42
  planning on in my mind going to jog Friday evening.
• 44:46
  But then by the time it come to the evening and I was kind of
• 44:49
  losing motivation for it, but still battling with myself.
• 44:52
  Like, will you go? Will you not go?
• 44:54
  I'll go in half an hour. I'll go in half an hour.
• 44:57
  And then I eventually realized that it's Friday and it's the
• 45:00
  second week after the marathon. And so far I've ran Monday,
• 45:04
  Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. So this is an ideal opportunity
• 45:08
  to take a rest day because I didn't want to kind of get back
• 45:11
  into that routine of not taking rest days unnecessarily.
• 45:15
  So I was fine to do that towards the end of the marathon block or
• 45:19
  go like once every every other week just to try and squeeze the
• 45:23
  mileage and that fatigue. But there's absolutely 0 point
• 45:26
  in doing that now. So I thought I'd freshen up
• 45:29
  because my heel was a little bit sore as well.
• 45:31
  So as soon as I'd made that decision, I was very happy about
• 45:34
  it and fine with it. It's a thought I'm down here for
• 45:38
  the weekend, so if I take take today off then I'll be able to
• 45:42
  enjoy a session on Saturday morning and hopefully a long run
• 45:46
  on Sunday morning and kind of enjoy running down in Dunsbra
• 45:50
  there. Change scenery.
• 45:51
  So the session on Saturday was in my program similar to D and I
• 45:56
  had four by two K, So it took the opportunity to do that as
• 46:01
  part of Dunsbra Park Run, which is down on.
• 46:04
  I don't know how many people would have been to Dunsbra,
• 46:07
  probably a few on the the coastal path there goes out one
• 46:12
  way for maybe a kilometer or 800 meters.
• 46:15
  You do AU turn and then you go back through the start and run
• 46:19
  another maybe mile out the other way, do AU turn, you come back
• 46:23
  to the start point. So I went down a little bit
• 46:26
  early. I planned to do the first two
• 46:29
  reps before Parker and started and then I would do the second
• 46:33
  two reps as Parker and because of not being so timely, I only
• 46:39
  managed to do 1 wrap before the start of Park Run.
• 46:42
  So I think for this one, I was wearing the Adidas Boston
• 46:49
  Twelves, which I picked up a couple of weeks prior and that
• 46:52
  this was the first time that I put these on.
• 46:54
  And he was feeling pretty good Saturday morning because it had
• 46:57
  Friday off. So it was nice and fresh.
• 47:00
  And then my first Rep was 3/26 average pace, which in the
• 47:07
  program it said 310 because that's what my threshold would
• 47:13
  have been in the past. But again, I was, I wasn't
• 47:17
  bothered about trying to hit it or get close to it.
• 47:20
  I just wanted to go off field and kind of do the session, not
• 47:23
  really care about what the pace was.
• 47:25
  I wasn't going to be over analyzing it afterwards and
• 47:27
  being like gutted because I was unfit or anything.
• 47:30
  It was just to do it. So after that first one at 326,
• 47:34
  I knew that it wasn't going to be a case of working down from
• 47:37
  there. The effort that was required to
• 47:40
  produce that was going to be pumping out some similar times.
• 47:44
  So then the first Rep John Park Run was 328, second Rep 327, and
• 47:50
  then I had to do a Rep afterwards which was 3/28.
• 47:54
  So it's quite funny because as I ran through the finish line, I
• 47:58
  was about 200 meters into the last Rep just with how it had
• 48:02
  fallen. That clearly wasn't so many
• 48:07
  people down at Duns Park Run either because I was the first
• 48:10
  finisher and I've kind of grabbed my token off the woman,
• 48:14
  but tried to like continue with my Rep and the volunteers.
• 48:18
  Like we're very confused with what was going on as this the
• 48:22
  first finisher park run that just ran straight through the
• 48:25
  finish line, collected this token and proceeded to stride on
• 48:29
  on the road. It was good fun.
• 48:33
  Did you explain when you came back I.
• 48:35
  Did yeah. So I kind of shouted I'll be
• 48:37
  back in 5 minutes as I as I ran off that probably confused them
• 48:41
  even more. So I was running the shop or
• 48:43
  something. But I did actually I want my
• 48:46
  heart rate monitor for this as well, which is interesting that
• 48:48
  I wanted to get the feedback from the data.
• 48:51
  So my heart rate for those reps is 1/6, probably 167 on average,
• 49:00
  168, which is probably about threshold effort really for me
• 49:04
  there. So yeah, just shows where that
• 49:08
  fitness has gone. But as quick as it goes, it
• 49:10
  comes back as long as you're able to kind of get that
• 49:13
  consistency and that routine back on track.
• 49:15
  So I'm not really too bothered, to be honest with you.
• 49:18
  It sounds like I'm being very defensive and justifying
• 49:20
  everything. Yeah, but actually I'm not
• 49:23
  bothered. Well, with your with your double
• 49:26
  trouble about excuses is that is that your?
• 49:29
  Yeah, I think maybe my double trouble is just going to unravel
• 49:33
  throughout my week because I did say I was going to, I was going
• 49:37
  to have a go at myself and I don't really know what I was
• 49:39
  going to have a go at myself for.
• 49:41
  But it's probably just having a battle with overthinking and
• 49:45
  under thinking everything at the same time.
• 49:49
  It's quite a bizarre mindset. But Becky did actually come down
• 49:52
  to park from with me as well. And then she she ran in very
• 49:57
  progressively. So I think at first K was she
• 50:00
  was maybe stuck in some traffic like 540 and then she settled
• 50:04
  into like some low 5 minute case.
• 50:07
  And then her last one. She was telling me afterwards
• 50:09
  like jeez, I was I was picking off so many people towards the
• 50:12
  end then and when when we looked at a split, I was like, have a
• 50:15
  look what your case were. So she's running like 5
• 50:19
  fifteens, 2-3 and four, and then the last K was like 428, yeah.
• 50:26
  He wins. That's all right.
• 50:27
  Yes, if she's just blown through the the Dunsburg pack.
• 50:30
  Might have. To, but that was gone.
• 50:33
  I'll Owen better watch out. He'll be getting getting kicked
• 50:37
  off. Yeah, I mean, it's it's ironic
• 50:39
  really, because I was taking the piss out of Owen's heart rate
• 50:42
  when he started going for a few jogs the other week.
• 50:44
  But here we are, calm against you.
• 50:48
  Maybe that heart rate monitor should stay in the drawer for a
• 50:51
  little while. I was going to say what didn't
• 50:53
  you? Wasn't it faulty?
• 50:54
  From Ballarat to Faulty. Yeah, it's definitely shown a
• 50:58
  few few too many beats than it has previously.
• 51:01
  So maybe I'll I'll send it back to core house for some some
• 51:04
  feedback inconsistency. But yeah, that was a nice way to
• 51:09
  start Saturday. And then we had kind of like a,
• 51:12
  a big, big day out there exploring, contrary to how a
• 51:18
  pair of 20 year olds would probably like to approach it,
• 51:22
  that I was kind of keen for being up and about and dragging
• 51:26
  them around everywhere. Like there's so much to see down
• 51:29
  there, isn't it? And you want to kind of, well, I
• 51:31
  wanted to get show the Margaret River as well.
• 51:33
  And then once you're Margaret River, you're close to Hamlin
• 51:36
  Bay, like the Stingrays and stuff.
• 51:38
  So cool to go and see. So I was conscious we had so
• 51:41
  much to do. And then these two are just
• 51:44
  like, yeah, we'll get ready soon.
• 51:46
  Like, let's just have some breakfast.
• 51:48
  Then it's half nine, it's 10:00, and I'm like, shit, let's get
• 51:52
  out of here. Come on.
• 51:54
  Coming back from Parker at 9:00 AM, like, right, Surely they're
• 51:57
  kind of showered and ready to go.
• 51:59
  And like the bedroom door hadn't even flinched.
• 52:07
  Margaret River is great, but it's like it's all it, it shuts
• 52:11
  off at like 5:00. So you need to, it's all daytime
• 52:15
  activities. You know, you need to be making
• 52:17
  the most of the wineries and stops for lunch and the
• 52:20
  breweries and that during the day and all the beautiful
• 52:22
  scenery and stuffs, all to be consumed during daylight.
• 52:26
  So yeah, they're missing it. Exactly.
• 52:28
  And this is what I was conscious of.
• 52:29
  I knew that the the day would come and go and it'd be pitch
• 52:33
  black before we knew it. So then on the Saturday we
• 52:35
  actually didn't even make it to any of the wineries, which was
• 52:38
  kind of one of the main things that they wanted to do,
• 52:41
  obviously. And I was like, well, it's
• 52:43
  certainly not my fault, but we got there on Sunday anyway.
• 52:51
  So on that Saturday evening, my heel was killing.
• 52:55
  To be honest. It's so annoying.
• 52:57
  I actually missed the fact that on Thursday I got a scan on it.
• 53:02
  I went for an MRI, which I didn't do too much reading into,
• 53:07
  like kind of what an MRI was or why you would need one.
• 53:12
  I just remember the day after Ballarat when like, I literally
• 53:16
  could hardly walk on it. I was, I just kept telling
• 53:19
  myself like, remember this feeling, remember this feeling
• 53:22
  because you know that as you rest and stuff, it will innovate
• 53:26
  the commas heal or like start to feel better.
• 53:29
  But unless I'm going to do something about it properly,
• 53:32
  it's not going to go away. So it's just, I wanted to like
• 53:35
  kind of just be honest with myself and make sure that I got
• 53:39
  I got it seen too. So I've kind of maybe gone over
• 53:42
  and above and just went right and got an MRI on it.
• 53:45
  So then on Thursday when I was actually looking into it, what,
• 53:49
  what why would need one and stuff, it was saying about an
• 53:52
  ultrasound. Like potentially you've got an
• 53:54
  ultrasound first. And an ultrasound is,
• 53:58
  unfortunately for me, a hell of a lot cheaper than an MRI.
• 54:02
  But the good thing is an MRI is a lot more conclusive and like
• 54:07
  you can kind of see more from the images.
• 54:10
  So when I got that done on Thursday anyway, I'm still
• 54:12
  unfortunately waiting for the results as we sit here now.
• 54:15
  So can't tell you what's going on exactly, but that's kind of
• 54:18
  put me at ease, at least the fact that I'm going to find out.
• 54:22
  So then, yeah, when it was killing on Saturday evening, I
• 54:26
  wasn't, I was like, Oh, well, if it's this sore again in the
• 54:30
  morning, I'm not bothered about not running because I'm just,
• 54:33
  I'm waiting to kind of get it all fixed properly.
• 54:36
  Like I'm not going to force anything right now, which is why
• 54:39
  I woke up when it was sore. So I just went for a bike ride
• 54:42
  and. That was the bike ride.
• 54:44
  The bike ride was fun. So we stayed in this Airbnb and
• 54:49
  they had a big, a big house and in the shed there was kayaks,
• 54:54
  bikes, like all sorts of stuff that you could use as part of
• 54:57
  it, which was like so good. So on.
• 54:59
  On the Saturday we took the kayaks out, which was at first
• 55:03
  like 2 meters and then feeling incredibly uneasy and thinking
• 55:07
  about sharks come back. And then in 5 minutes time I'd
• 55:10
  go again, go for five meters. I eventually got out to like one
• 55:16
  of the boys, which is, I don't know, maybe only 20 meters
• 55:19
  offshore. But before I'd went out there,
• 55:22
  Becky was like a day years ago, goes to the boy.
• 55:25
  So then as I'm, as I'm paddling out there, she starts shouting
• 55:29
  like Ryan, what are you doing? Like she started getting scared
• 55:32
  for me and I was like, I'm just, I'm enjoying it now.
• 55:35
  To be fair, don't like put me on edge.
• 55:38
  I think she might have. Have you seen the Facebook page?
• 55:42
  It's like dorsal, like DOSDORSAL shark reports.
• 55:48
  Have you have you subscribed to that Facebook page?
• 55:51
  The the three of them. So Becky, your sister and her
• 55:54
  boyfriend this weekend have been getting right into it, Yeah.
• 55:57
  And have you seen like they're pretty regular the sightings
• 56:01
  like it's more regular than maybe what you bigger than what
• 56:04
  I realized in terms of shark sightings along the WA coast.
• 56:08
  So yeah, bit too much for me. Yeah, if you enjoy having a deck
• 56:12
  in the ocean, then I would recommend that you you don't
• 56:16
  start digging into that stuff. But if you're also conscious
• 56:19
  about your own safety, then maybe you should do it because
• 56:21
  there are plenty of shore sharks along the coast, extremely close
• 56:26
  to the shore seemingly. Yeah, that's it.
• 56:29
  Scary. Well, good to.
• 56:30
  Good to see you. I follow this page on X set
• 56:35
  Lifesaving WA and they they tweet when a shark has been
• 56:40
  spotted by a member of the public or by the helicopters
• 56:44
  that fly over. And also they have the tagged
• 56:47
  ones they ping off the receivers.
• 56:49
  So they do all of those alerts and there was one on there the
• 56:52
  other day and it was a 3M unknown species shark 3 meters
• 56:58
  offshore spotted by a member of the public.
• 57:00
  So and then it also said there is currently a man swimming out
• 57:05
  beyond the shark and people are unable to get his attention and
• 57:09
  it's just like, oh God yeah, swimming the shark Nets.
• 57:15
  Although the the one at Clotslow clearly wasn't up to purpose,
• 57:19
  was it when the the bronze whaler shark was stuck in there
• 57:22
  for two days a few months ago? Yeah, supposed to keep them out,
• 57:25
  not in. To shoot the beach for two days
• 57:30
  because the shark would swim around inside.
• 57:33
  But yeah, that did no shark in cancers for me fortunately.
• 57:37
  And then the bike ride was an hour 15.
• 57:41
  I actually wanted to go. I was prepared mentally to go
• 57:44
  for like two or three hours. Now this is probably just poor
• 57:48
  planning and me making assumptions based off being
• 57:52
  surrounded by a few triathletes at front runner and stuff and
• 57:55
  seeing them go on massive rides for hours and like just going
• 58:00
  over all these hills and stuff like that.
• 58:03
  But I had this crappy little mountain bike that the gears
• 58:07
  were falling off. It was just stuck in one gear,
• 58:09
  but you know, like the sun was shining.
• 58:11
  It was a nice, nice morning down in Dunsbrough, pretty flat.
• 58:15
  I thought, I'll just get up and down the coast, like I'll be out
• 58:17
  there for hours. This would be great.
• 58:19
  I'll stop off, have a coffee. And then then once I got to
• 58:22
  Dunsbruck, we're staying in Marybrook, which is just like
• 58:25
  10K up the road or 9K or something like that.
• 58:28
  Yeah. I noticed that the front tire
• 58:30
  was starting to feel a little bit more spongy than it did when
• 58:34
  I left. So I was like, gosh, yeah, I
• 58:36
  best start heading back. This could be a slow puncture.
• 58:39
  And then it was pretty apparent very quickly that it was a low
• 58:42
  puncture. So instead of cycling back along
• 58:45
  the coastal path, I decided to cycle back along the road in
• 58:48
  case I literally couldn't cycle because I was then on the rim.
• 58:53
  And I thought that all the like the youths going past, I'll be
• 58:57
  able to flag someone with like a bit of an open back cabin and he
• 59:00
  could just stick my bike in the back and take me up the road to
• 59:04
  Marybrook. But I stuck at it and I was
• 59:07
  cycling on not much of A tire at all and got all the way to
• 59:12
  within. I think I had to walk for 8
• 59:14
  minutes in the end, but the front tire was literally like a
• 59:18
  rim by this point. So that was a 27 K cycle I
• 59:23
  think, and a few lessons learned there.
• 59:26
  Stick to stick to the joggers. Exactly, stick to what you know.
• 59:30
  Stay in your lane buddy. Do I think that was for me maybe
• 59:34
  65 KS or something, which is an improvement on last week?
• 59:38
  I think last week was 30 K I'm in no rush because I don't know
• 59:43
  what's next. I just want to get these results
• 59:45
  and see what's going on and kind of take appropriate steps to
• 59:49
  address it properly. So yeah, that's that's it for
• 59:51
  me. Nice.
• 59:52
  Yeah, You know, good week. Hopefully nothing's too sinister
• 59:58
  with the heels, so onwards and upwards.
• 1:00:00
  Yeah, that's it. So training weeks out the way
• 1:00:04
  with running news is covered off.
• 1:00:06
  We have YouTube Diaries. Shall I talk about what I was
• 1:00:11
  going to mention? So I think it's a fairly new
• 1:00:14
  channel, to be fair. So Josh Kerr, who is the world
• 1:00:18
  1500m champion, Yeah. So I think his channel is fairly
• 1:00:22
  new. He's only seems to have started
• 1:00:24
  putting out videos in the past year or so.
• 1:00:27
  I don't know if the reason behind it is kind of because he
• 1:00:30
  seems to get a little bit of criticism in like the media and
• 1:00:34
  storytelling and stuff. Because this rivalry between
• 1:00:38
  himself and Jacobin, Brickson and Brickson, people seem to go
• 1:00:43
  with the narrative of like Josh Kerr doesn't race very often and
• 1:00:46
  he kind of he dodges people and he only races when he's like
• 1:00:50
  100% fully fit and stuff. So I don't know, I get the
• 1:00:54
  impression that maybe he wanted to kind of tell his own version
• 1:00:57
  of that story and kind of bring people in onto the inside to
• 1:01:00
  show them what goes on in his camp.
• 1:01:03
  And it is very intrusive almost in terms of like behind the
• 1:01:08
  scenes, how it's set up. His wife's involved, his coach
• 1:01:12
  is involved and his manager, because I think the kind of work
• 1:01:15
  almost in in tangent, the guy called Danny, I think he's the
• 1:01:21
  actual coach from Brooks. And then I can't remember the
• 1:01:25
  other guy's name. He's almost like his manager.
• 1:01:29
  So we started doing some videos since Grand Slam as well.
• 1:01:33
  So it's really insightful to see not only like kind of how Josh
• 1:01:36
  cares training and his campus set up, but also kind of their
• 1:01:41
  their approach to Grand Slam and kind of peak throughout the year
• 1:01:45
  and plan. And because they're very
• 1:01:47
  revealing and in terms of like giving away, not necessarily
• 1:01:50
  strategy, but just all their thoughts around their approach
• 1:01:54
  to Josh's training and getting them ready for certain events.
• 1:01:57
  And Josh is very open as well, which you potentially wouldn't
• 1:02:01
  think. So one of the really good videos
• 1:02:03
  was after Kingston. He done like this Kingston Grand
• 1:02:07
  Slammy done behind the scenes there.
• 1:02:09
  And he obviously, in case you missed it, he didn't perform
• 1:02:13
  very well there. So it was really cool to see
• 1:02:16
  everything that went on and they followed it after the race as
• 1:02:21
  well. So you see him like his kind of
• 1:02:22
  raw reflections and how he like, was very pissed off with his
• 1:02:27
  performance. And I haven't actually seen the
• 1:02:30
  ones that have come out from Miami, but I imagine they'll be
• 1:02:33
  pretty good because he obviously done a hell of a lot better in
• 1:02:36
  Miami. Yeah.
• 1:02:38
  And there was 1 from. 1500. He won the 15 and then he was
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  like fifth or something in the 8th, but that meant that he
• 1:02:46
  still ended up winning the whole category.
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  There was one from Melrose Games, which I thought was
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  pretty, pretty bold to put the video out because he ended up
• 1:02:57
  pulling out of Melrose like the day off or the day before.
• 1:03:02
  But the kind of what went into him pulling out was completely
• 1:03:06
  different to when I when I read the news article and you see in
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  our Josh cares, the DNS, my first reaction is that narrative
• 1:03:14
  of like, oh, he's bottled it again, like because I think it
• 1:03:17
  was in Britain and the goose were on the start list.
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  And it's like, fuck sake. Like, come on, just race them.
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  Like you only ever race them once a year.
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  And then on this video, you see almost how delusional he was in
• 1:03:29
  wanting to race. And they had to like he was
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  throwing up all throughout the night and didn't sleep.
• 1:03:35
  And then he wakes up in the morning of the race and he's
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  like, yeah, I think I'm feeling I can't, I can't start doing
• 1:03:40
  these impressions every week. Did he start saying that he's
• 1:03:45
  he's like, yeah, I'm feeling better.
• 1:03:47
  And they're like, Josh, you've literally haven't been able to
• 1:03:50
  stomach food for 36 hours. And he's like, yeah, let's try
• 1:03:54
  like, let's try some fruit. And let's just say give it a few
• 1:03:57
  more hours. And then they're like, there's
• 1:04:00
  no chance, Josh. But he's like at the moment, and
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  then obviously when he takes a step back and they show this as
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  well, once the race is kind of come and gone, he's like, yeah,
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  I'm reflection. It's it's the right decision.
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  But in that moment like that and you see, I would have done
• 1:04:14
  anything to race. So it's really good insight.
• 1:04:17
  Like this is one of the good things about YouTube, like you
• 1:04:20
  just getting to see all these things that you otherwise
• 1:04:22
  wouldn't. Yeah, I think, I think I
• 1:04:24
  remember when that video out there were the coffee cup got
• 1:04:29
  that were having a little bit of the of a laugh at his expense.
• 1:04:34
  Is he maybe footage of him actually throwing up?
• 1:04:37
  I think and they're like, oh God, is it 2 behind the scenes?
• 1:04:40
  Like, is that? Yeah, very transparent.
• 1:04:42
  Yeah, it's good stuff. So if anyone has watched the
• 1:04:46
  Miami one or does watch the Miami one, then let's know what
• 1:04:49
  you think if you're team Josh Kerr, team Jacob or team anyone
• 1:04:54
  else. Because I think that's what
• 1:04:57
  they're trying to create with that 1500, aren't they?
• 1:04:59
  They're trying to almost like get people to have their
• 1:05:01
  favourites and kind of follow along that way.
• 1:05:04
  Yeah, and Speaking of, and like so many popular like top tier
• 1:05:10
  athletes now have their own YouTube channel.
• 1:05:12
  It's sort of a way of like sort of, you know, paying, you know,
• 1:05:18
  giving a bit of a shout out to their sponsors and you know,
• 1:05:20
  some almost like necessary marketing, but also great
• 1:05:23
  insight for people that want to understand their, you know,
• 1:05:27
  understand them a bit more as people.
• 1:05:29
  So they're like running is a bit of a hard thing to follow, hard
• 1:05:32
  sport to follow. And some of these you'd like
• 1:05:34
  even Grand Slam track. I don't think they've done a
• 1:05:36
  great job of bringing the athlete like bringing the
• 1:05:41
  viewers along with like along the journey of building up the
• 1:05:45
  race and how the athletes feel. And you know, you're sort of not
• 1:05:49
  really sitting side by side with the athletes.
• 1:05:52
  You sort of it all feels a bit distant.
• 1:05:55
  And so whereas these YouTube channels, you sort of really,
• 1:05:58
  it's like when Clayton Young is sort of documenting his build up
• 1:06:02
  into a marathon, you sort of really get a real sense of what
• 1:06:05
  he's gone through to get there and what he's hoping for.
• 1:06:08
  And then you can sort of take that into your viewing of them
• 1:06:11
  for the race, which makes it so much more enjoyable.
• 1:06:16
  Why these guys doing that? Which just makes following their
• 1:06:19
  journey and their and the theatre that plays out in the
• 1:06:22
  race so much more exciting. I think something Jakub Inger
• 1:06:26
  Britson likes. He has his own YouTube channel
• 1:06:29
  and a video of his just popped up on my feed the other day as
• 1:06:31
  well. So I wonder, talk about that
• 1:06:33
  rivalry. Maybe they've taken the rivalry
• 1:06:35
  to YouTube. Maybe we we can unpack Jakub's
• 1:06:38
  channel next week because there's a few a few obscure
• 1:06:42
  videos on there as well I think. Cool stuff, yeah.
• 1:06:47
  Yeah, that was you just reminded me one of the things I wanted to
• 1:06:50
  say about Grand Slam as part of like Josh Cares Youtubers, they
• 1:06:55
  mentioned that like whilst the film that they're like, Oh yeah,
• 1:06:58
  you guys won't see this for for a week because of the embargo or
• 1:07:02
  something. So Grand Slam must have placed
• 1:07:05
  this embargo over like all the content, which my interpretation
• 1:07:10
  of that was that they're trying really hard to control the
• 1:07:13
  narrative. They don't want other people to
• 1:07:17
  kind of get their stories out and that be dictating our grand
• 1:07:21
  slams represented. They want to establish like
• 1:07:24
  Grand Slam are able to dictate the storyline and then that kind
• 1:07:29
  of establishes itself. And then a week later athletes
• 1:07:33
  videos will start coming out. But by then it's already like,
• 1:07:35
  Oh yeah, it's exactly how Grand Slam wanted to be seen.
• 1:07:39
  But they've done a shit job as far as bringing people so that's
• 1:07:42
  been a knock on it. I don't.
• 1:07:44
  If Grand did a great job of creating a great experience for
• 1:07:48
  people to watch, that stuff would have been fine, but they
• 1:07:51
  haven't. Yeah.
• 1:07:53
  And I think that shows that kind of they they were worried about
• 1:07:56
  that happening in advance. The fact that they tried to set
• 1:07:59
  these things up to control the narrative.
• 1:08:02
  It's unfortunately I did not because I've been preoccupied
• 1:08:06
  all weekend. We've kind of done this show off
• 1:08:07
  the cuff. There was no agenda, which meant
• 1:08:10
  that I didn't put any listener questions out.
• 1:08:12
  So apologies for that. We will be back and opening up
• 1:08:15
  the listener questions for next week.
• 1:08:17
  And my double trouble hopefully was unpacked throughout my very
• 1:08:21
  high, very low here, there and everywhere and unpacking of my
• 1:08:25
  training week. So like the the morals that come
• 1:08:28
  out of it is just to just be a bit more chill and then be so
• 1:08:33
  reactive to everything. So yeah, maybe throughout last
• 1:08:37
  week I was, I don't even know what it is.
• 1:08:40
  I just not not over analyzing, but then also not completely
• 1:08:45
  disengaging, like just allowing it to be what it is.
• 1:08:49
  I think I've got to that point with it because it's, it's easy
• 1:08:55
  to over analyse and then also when things, when you do that
• 1:08:59
  analysis and maybe it isn't what you want to see, then it's easy
• 1:09:02
  to completely flip and be like, right, fuck that.
• 1:09:05
  Like I'm I'm done with it or whatever, but just find that
• 1:09:08
  middle ground and just roll through it.
• 1:09:10
  Yeah, I find that like this time after the marathon is sort of
• 1:09:14
  like you're not training sessions don't have as much
• 1:09:17
  purpose because you're not doing them towards anything.
• 1:09:21
  Your fitness has evaporated a little bit, which is a bit cruel
• 1:09:24
  because you've just put in this huge block and then your body
• 1:09:27
  doesn't feel that good because it's just been beaten up.
• 1:09:29
  So it's sort of a bit of a tricky spot really.
• 1:09:32
  So it's sort of like, like you say, so you sort of know all
• 1:09:35
  those things. So therefore you're not fully
• 1:09:37
  committing to your sessions because you know you're not
• 1:09:39
  meant to. You need to sort of start to
• 1:09:41
  build some fitness to the extent you can.
• 1:09:44
  But then at the same time, you sort of want to chill out a bit
• 1:09:46
  because running doesn't need to mean everything all the time.
• 1:09:50
  And this is the time where if you've got social commitments
• 1:09:53
  and time with family, you sort of lean into that.
• 1:09:55
  And so if you miss some stuff, but then at the same time you're
• 1:09:58
  forever like trying to build that training fatigue up because
• 1:10:01
  you want to get fitter than ever.
• 1:10:03
  So yeah, a bit of an awkward stance, but it is holidays.
• 1:10:06
  And that's, I don't know if the right terminology is my problem,
• 1:10:11
  but when training isn't incredibly important, I kind of
• 1:10:16
  lean into that being the case. So like I will eat more than
• 1:10:20
  award that will drink more than award and stuff like that.
• 1:10:23
  But then I very much enjoy getting to a point where like
• 1:10:27
  I'm completely sick of not having a routine and not being
• 1:10:31
  fit and then I almost deliberately do it because then
• 1:10:34
  the process of building again and just getting fitter and
• 1:10:38
  fitter and fitter is just so enjoyable.
• 1:10:41
  So yeah, I think maybe I'll be chilling out for a little bit
• 1:10:45
  whilst I'm in Europe and stuff and then look to get serious
• 1:10:49
  with training again comes start of July.
• 1:10:52
  And hopefully the a goal right now is to just be in a position
• 1:10:56
  to be able to be serious with training in terms of getting
• 1:10:59
  this heel right. Exactly.
• 1:11:02
  Sounds good. Nice Dean, did you have any last
• 1:11:05
  words before we close it out? No, I just thought we did quite
• 1:11:08
  well given you know, we were had relatively light weeks and no,
• 1:11:12
  no talking, somehow we still nearly spoke for an hour and a
• 1:11:15
  half. Yeah, we've managed to wing it,
• 1:11:17
  so cheers for sticking with us guys.
• 1:11:19
  We'll see you next week. Happy training mate.
• 1:11:21
  See you mate.