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The Jeffrey Epstein Story · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 1: Destroy Wait True.
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Speaker 2: Des Troth, I'm a chest Coup with True.
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Speaker 1: St Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm Adam
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Speaker 1: Todd Brown, I'm Laura Crawford. We are your hosts, and
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Speaker 1: we are talking about a thing we've talked about a
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Speaker 1: couple of times on this podcast, which is Jeffrey Epstein, who.
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Speaker 2: Jerry Epstein as he was called by Senator Kennedy.
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Speaker 1: The same Senator Kennedy from the video we played at
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Speaker 1: the top of the episode.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't he see Jerry Epstein? Am I imagining things?
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Speaker 1: Uh? Now I don't remember. I'll have to go back
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Speaker 1: and like actually listen to this podcast, which.
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Speaker 2: Old Jeffy epp old jeff Oh, jep that's scoundrel. Dead
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Speaker 2: in the ground, but not dead in our hearts.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: We no never pour over this man.
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Speaker 1: And that's the thing. We've never really done an episode
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Speaker 1: just about what Jeffrey Epstein did. We've done episodes like
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Speaker 1: speculating on his death and things of the sort, but
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Speaker 1: never really one that just runs through the story of
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Speaker 1: what he did. And that's what we're talking about today
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Speaker 1: by way of an ABC documentary called Truth and Lies.
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is available on whom right now. This
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Speaker 2: came out in twenty twenty, so it is pretty much updated.
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Speaker 2: We're coming up on it's not too far off now
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Speaker 2: from the one year anniversary of Jeff EPP's death.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, what are you doing to celebrate?
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm gonna hang some dry we I'll
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Speaker 2: hang some Christmas ornaments, some other things that don't hang themselves.
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Speaker 1: Those things don't hang themselves. Just a reminder about this documentary.
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Speaker 1: It's like I said from ABC, and I think most
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Speaker 1: mainstream media is pretty close to being state media at
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Speaker 1: this point, so you have to keep that in mind
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Speaker 1: when you watch this documentary. I do prefer that it's
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Speaker 1: shorter than the Netflix documentary. I think the Netflix documentary
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Speaker 1: kind of gets into like tragedy porn territory at some
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Speaker 1: points where it's just really really going into graphic detail
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Speaker 1: about the crimes, like the act itself, and that gets
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Speaker 1: really heavy. And also just most documentaries that are a
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Speaker 1: series don't need to be a series, like you can
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Speaker 1: sum it up in an hour and twenty minutes like
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Speaker 1: ABC did here. But I also think ABC leaves some
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Speaker 1: pretty big stuff out, mostly relating to Trump.
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Speaker 2: It's true yeah, I was gonna say so. People probably
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Speaker 2: see the Netflix documentary as trending. I think it was
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Speaker 2: number one on Netflix for a while and now it's
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Speaker 2: about number three or number four at the time we're
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Speaker 2: recording this. And it is a The Netflix one is
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Speaker 2: is four episodes, and I found it a tremendous struggle
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Speaker 2: to get through watching all of it because of the
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Speaker 2: nature of the program and everything and the witness testimony,
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Speaker 2: and yeah, so it is it is an endurance test.
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Speaker 2: Particularly if anyone is a victim of child sex abuse
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Speaker 2: or any kind of intimate partner violence and anything like that.
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Speaker 2: You will find it extremely triggering and disturbing, probably even
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Speaker 2: more so than a regular viewer. And it will, yeah,
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Speaker 2: fuck your life up. And definitely, I mean, if you
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Speaker 2: want to just get to the essence of the story
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Speaker 2: without possibly traumatizing yourself, maybe watching the one on Hulu.
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Speaker 2: It's a message.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's very detailed, and it is a rough
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Speaker 1: watch for sure.
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Speaker 2: And the Hulu one doesn't have the sorry to interrupt,
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Speaker 2: he doesn't have the house manager from Saint Thomas property.
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Speaker 2: The Netflix one has some different witnesses, but it is
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Speaker 2: a lot of the same overlap. So I mean, if
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Speaker 2: you're thinking about that, I mean there may be is
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Speaker 2: a little more coverage to the Netflix one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing I have appreciate the Netflix documentary doing
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Speaker 1: is bringing up Trump and interviewing someone who claims Trump
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Speaker 1: was at the West Palm Beach residence watching young girls
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Speaker 1: try on bikinis, which sounds like a fucking Trump thing,
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Speaker 1: and who knows where it went from there. But Trump
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Speaker 1: doesn't get mentioned at all in this. And there was
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Speaker 1: a lawsuit filed against him by a girl who claimed
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Speaker 1: she was raped by Trump at Jeffrey Epstein's residence.
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Speaker 2: Yes, she said that happened in nineteen ninety four and
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Speaker 2: she was thirteen years old. And is that when that
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Speaker 2: be the same age close to the same age as
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Speaker 2: his daughter. Oh, I'm sure, yeah, yeah about that. Probably
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Speaker 2: his stars maybe a bit younger. But she claims that
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Speaker 2: she was raped by Donald Trump when she was thirteen
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four in Jeffrey Epstein's property in Manhattan, which
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Speaker 2: is one of the largest private properties in Manhattan, if
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Speaker 2: not the largest. And one of the first people that
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Speaker 2: we kick off talking to in both the Hulu documentary
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Speaker 2: in the Netflix documentary is Maria Farmer. Maria Farmer claims
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Speaker 2: that she worked at this townhouse that Jeffrey Epstein had
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Speaker 2: checking in a lot of very young girls, which she
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Speaker 2: was told they were Victoria's secret models. Nice cover but
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Speaker 2: or giving massages or something of that nature. But the
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Speaker 2: woman who had the complaint against Donald Trump, she withdrew
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Speaker 2: her lossing. She said she was threatened or her life
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Speaker 2: was threatened. And though that's where that went, if you
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Speaker 2: can believe that, Yeah, why would that happen? Yeah, certainly
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Speaker 2: the Trump seems not known to intimidating any women who
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Speaker 2: have sex Donald Trump or accuse him of anything.
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Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. Yeah. And the thing about Maria Farmer,
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Speaker 1: she's the first person that reported Epstein to the authorities
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Speaker 1: way back in nineteen ninety six.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that we know of, definitely. I mean, we talk
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Speaker 2: a little bit about Epstein's life, and they do mention
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Speaker 2: that he was a teacher at a school, a private
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Speaker 2: high school in the seventies, but nothing has come out
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Speaker 2: from that time, though we know Maria is the first
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Speaker 2: one in nineteen ninety six, right.
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Speaker 1: And that that time he spent as a teacher has
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Speaker 1: always been really interesting to me because, for one thing,
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Speaker 1: he doesn't as far as I know, have a college degree.
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Speaker 2: No, they mentioned that in both documentaries that he didn't
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Speaker 2: graduate from college. There's no reason given, but they say
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Speaker 2: that he was brilliant at math and that he sort
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Speaker 2: of lied about having a college degree, and then he
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Speaker 2: got to work at this very prominent New York City
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Speaker 2: public private school called the Dalton School, teaching.
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Speaker 1: Math right, and one that actually kind of jogs my
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Speaker 1: memory a little bit. One interesting interview in the Netflix documentary.
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Speaker 1: They talk to the guy who hired him at the
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Speaker 1: Dalton School, and at one point that guy found out
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein lied and he was going to fire Jeffrey Epstein,
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Speaker 1: and Jeffrey Epstein like charmed his way out of it
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Speaker 1: and talked the guy into letting him keep the job,
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Speaker 1: and he in that interview is like, to this day,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, if I had fired him, would that have
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Speaker 1: kind of stopped his because that's where he meets all
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Speaker 1: of these ultra rich people, because the Dalton School is
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Speaker 1: a very prestigious private school, and he meets all these
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Speaker 1: finance people and all of these wealthy elite types and
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Speaker 1: flips that into a job at bear Stearns. Whereas the
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Speaker 1: story could have been they found out he lied, and
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Speaker 1: he got fired, and he just disappeared into obscurity. But instead,
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Speaker 1: when he got caught, someone cut him a break, because
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Speaker 1: that's how it works for white dudes.
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Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say this situation would be that,
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Speaker 2: you know, imagine if you were fired from the Dalton School,
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Speaker 2: people would have found out about it. So all the
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Speaker 2: other rich people in that circle would have found out
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Speaker 2: that he was fired and what he was fired for.
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Speaker 2: And then he probably couldn't have been hired in New
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Speaker 2: York City in an exclusive private school. But I think
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Speaker 2: it would have been harder for him to transition to
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Speaker 2: another city and repeat the same scheme. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if he could have done that, because, like they just said,
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Speaker 2: he was very in New York, he had that Dick
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Speaker 2: Brooklyn accent. I don't think he could have gone to
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Speaker 2: Los Angeles and ouvered his way into working for a
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Speaker 2: high powered private school there. I think it possibly could
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Speaker 2: have totally stopped there in New York, you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's a good point. With that accent,
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Speaker 1: especially because you take that accent to the Midwest, people
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Speaker 1: are going to be like, I don't trust this guy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, or I think it would have been harder
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Speaker 2: the older he got. I think it would have been
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Speaker 2: harder to scheme his way into a teaching position at
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Speaker 2: one a prestigious school, particularly if it were people who
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Speaker 2: might have known that he was fired for that before.
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Speaker 2: But he got connected to all these rich people who
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Speaker 2: work for places like bear Stearns. Like we're saying, a
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Speaker 2: real dan of iniquity bear Sterns.
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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and because bears have den.
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Speaker 2: Since Ah, they're evil, they are.
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Speaker 1: Yeah fuck bears. Uh yeah no.
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Speaker 2: Bear Sterns evil. Yeah. We bailed them out so that
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Speaker 2: could hire more sex preaders to work for.
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Speaker 1: Them, correct, including Jeffrey Epstein. He worked for them for
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Speaker 1: a while, and that's where he met Leslie Wexner, who
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Speaker 1: is to this day the only confirmed client of Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein in terms of Jeffrey Epstein being a financial investor
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Speaker 1: like true, Leslie Wexner was his only client. And somehow
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Speaker 1: that made him rich enough to buy a fucking private
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Speaker 1: island and the largest private property in Manhattan.
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Speaker 2: All right, so it's property in pump be Each property
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Speaker 2: in pump Beach, property in Saint Thomas, ranch in New Mexico,
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Speaker 2: large private residence in Manhattan I think. Also possibly Paris
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Speaker 2: in London.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Paris for sure, probably London. Also, I mean,
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Speaker 1: uh ask and this is the eighties. Yeah, I gotta
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Speaker 1: ask which Epstein house is your favorite.
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Speaker 2: I gotta go with the New Mexico Ranch. And it's
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Speaker 2: interesting too because Bill Richardson, Governor New Mexico, is one
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Speaker 2: of the men who's named by Virginia Gupriy, the woman
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Speaker 2: who accused Prince Andrew. She's also accused Governor Bill Richardson,
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Speaker 2: so it's highly probable that he knew exactly what was
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Speaker 2: going on at Epstein's ranch and did nothing about it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I like the New Mexico Ranch too. Neat place.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the Saint Thomas one reminds me of like
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Speaker 2: the Most Dangerous Game, where it's like do you swim
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Speaker 2: off the island? It's like an evil It's sort of
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Speaker 2: like a James Bond villain type of thing. You know.
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Speaker 2: Epstein sets up the volcano if you try to not
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Speaker 2: massage him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, at least at the New Mexico Ranch, like a
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Speaker 1: UFO might save you or something.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to run off to Area fifty one.
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Speaker 2: I'll though you were the way it real creeps out
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Speaker 2: back here.
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Speaker 1: Wait are here at? I don't know why the aliens
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Speaker 1: sound like robots. I don't know why that happened.
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Speaker 2: One thing I gotta say I majorly prefer in the
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Speaker 2: Hulu doc to the Netflix one is Maria Farmer's creepy,
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Speaker 2: pedophilic artwork. Isn't it featured as much? That creeps the
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Speaker 2: fuck out of me?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. When you see the painting that Jeffrey Epstein bought
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Speaker 1: from her, it's like, oh, I get why he wanted
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Speaker 1: that painting.
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Speaker 2: All her paintings are of girls going through puberty. And
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Speaker 2: what really bothers me is Maria Farmer says that she
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Speaker 2: took photos of her sister's underaged My question was, who's
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Speaker 2: processing those photos? What did she send them down to
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Speaker 2: the one hour photo to get them done? So the
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Speaker 2: guy at the shop fucking saw your sister, the eleven year
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Speaker 2: old sister naked. It's like, why did you have those photos?
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Speaker 1: Well, she might have developed them herself.
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Speaker 2: I would hope. So that creeped the shit out of me.
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Speaker 2: And then she's like, oh no, he stole my photos.
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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, no, shit, don't don't take naked photos
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Speaker 2: of children yet. Fucking creep. It reminds me of Lena
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Speaker 2: Dunham how she got accused of sexually assaulting her sister
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Speaker 2: because she wrote about like touching your sister's vagina and
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Speaker 2: stuff in her book when her sister was like three.
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Speaker 1: Right, and did it, I believe without her sister's knowledge,
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Speaker 1: Like it just was in the book one day, and
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Speaker 1: her sister was like, what the fuck.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, So on to Maria Farmer, she is a
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Speaker 2: victim of not trying to like say that she's an
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Speaker 2: asshole or responsible for anything that happened. But her artwork
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Speaker 2: does depict dude children, and she was like, oh my god,
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Speaker 2: this pedophile wants to buy my art. That's how it
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Speaker 2: came across.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well she didn't work. She didn't know he was
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Speaker 1: a pedophile at that point, because she he buys the
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Speaker 1: artwork and then ends up hiring her to basically procure
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Speaker 1: art for him, but also to be the door person
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Speaker 1: at his place in Manhattan.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it seems like kind of normal at first.
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Speaker 2: She in the Netflix stock she does tell a story
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Speaker 2: about the woman Guggenheim who I'm sorry, I think it's
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Speaker 2: Mary Guggenheim or this woman who runs the painting program
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Speaker 2: that she was in. She negotiated Maria Farmer's meeting of Epstein,
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Speaker 2: and I believe there's still removed at the school, but
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Speaker 2: she currently has like terminal cancer right now. So I
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Speaker 2: don't know what's going on with that. You can look
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Speaker 2: into it more, but they like majorlyue low balder On.
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Speaker 2: The offer was like you're going to take this, you
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Speaker 2: have to take this, and you know, really demonized her
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Speaker 2: into do it, bullied her taking this offer. So I
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Speaker 2: don't know. It speaks to a whole network of art
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Speaker 2: people who are all creeps.
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Speaker 1: Shocking, Yeah, go figure. Yeah, So what happens with Maria
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Speaker 1: Farmer is at one point she is sent to this
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Speaker 1: residence owned by Leslie Wexner in Ohio to work on
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Speaker 1: an art project and while she's out there, Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: and Glaine Maxwell show up and basically rape her, violently
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Speaker 1: rape her, and she ends up reporting it to the
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Speaker 1: FBI at one point, and nothing really happens.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she does say that essentially she had to barricade
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Speaker 2: herself in her room because she was so afraid of
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Speaker 2: them trying to get at her and moles her. And
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Speaker 2: she describes being you know Glenn Maxwell being involved and
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Speaker 2: then being at the house, which is owned by Wexner
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Speaker 2: in it's like the largest five residents in Ohio, and
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Speaker 2: it kind of this whole story about these you know,
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Speaker 2: massive private reisens. Everything reminded me too of Foxfire, if
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Speaker 2: you ever watch that with a Dupot family, and.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they're kind of you mean Catcher.
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Speaker 2: Fox Catcher, sorry Catcher. Yeah, yeah, And it reminded me
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Speaker 2: a lot of the Dupott family and their sort of
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Speaker 2: connections in control of the private uh, you know police.
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Speaker 2: And for anyone who's like, why wouldn't you just call
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Speaker 2: the cops, It's like, I doubt the cops would have
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Speaker 2: done anything at all in this instance to come out
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Speaker 2: to this giant private residence, you know, right to help her.
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Speaker 2: So she was a Summara farmer, eventually ends up getting
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Speaker 2: her sister involved, her younger sister in this, in this
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Speaker 2: partnership with them too, because she believes that Epstein and
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Speaker 2: Maxwell are going to support her education. And I think
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Speaker 2: it's the sister who gets brought to New Mexico, all right, right,
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Speaker 2: and they and they they molest her there and yeah,
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Speaker 2: so this seems this is not kind of typical of
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Speaker 2: what he did later in pump West Palm Beach and
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Speaker 2: that it's not like a rotating system of girls. But
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Speaker 2: it does seem like Jeffrey Epstein was, you know, not
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Speaker 2: worried about an FBI investigation at all.
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Speaker 1: No, and especially when he gets to West Palm Beach
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Speaker 1: or when he gets to Palm Beach, because that is
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Speaker 1: a very important distinction which comes up in both documentaries.
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Speaker 1: Palm Beach is very affluent. It's a very probably the
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Speaker 1: wealthiest part of Florida, and then West Palm Beach is
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Speaker 1: not that. West Palm Beach is a more of a
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Speaker 1: low income area. And Jeffrey Epstein would get his victims
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Speaker 1: from vulnerable. He would basically find girls who were in
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Speaker 1: vulnerable situations, be it financially or because of trouble at home,
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Speaker 1: and that's who he would prey on.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this was a network, and Jeffrey also had
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Speaker 2: different assistance which they mentioned in this who were going
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Speaker 2: out and picking up girls, possibly at like the ma
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Speaker 2: All or something like that, or seeing them out and
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Speaker 2: talking to them. And Sarah Kellen I think is one
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Speaker 2: of them that's named Yeah, there's two.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of the things I struggle with watching
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Speaker 1: these documentaries is at what point, because they're like, there's
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Speaker 1: one girl, especially that they interview in the Netflix documentary, who,
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Speaker 1: if I recall correctly, she goes to she gets talked
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Speaker 1: into going to Jeffrey Epstein's house during this massage. He
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Speaker 1: tries to make it sexual and she's just like, no,
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Speaker 1: obviously not, I'm not gonna have sex with you, but
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Speaker 1: then becomes a recruiter for him, and she is I mean,
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Speaker 1: everyone is a victim in this pretty much, accept Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein and Jilanne Maxwell, because without what they did, none
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Speaker 1: of this other stuff happens. But it seems like a
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Speaker 1: fine line between the girl they interview in the Netflix
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Speaker 1: documentary and someone like Sarah Kellen who probably came to
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Speaker 1: him the same way and just had been there longer
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Speaker 1: and it happened back before anyone was reporting this, and
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Speaker 1: now she's just kind of a fucking robot who's programmed
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Speaker 1: to follow the commands of her abuser. So it's like
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Speaker 1: she's a victim too, but also she was a participant, which.
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Speaker 2: Is exactly a problem. I guess the distinction becomes eating
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Speaker 2: if you're an adult doing it, and if your team
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Speaker 2: doing it. I think if your a fourteen year old
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Speaker 2: and the recruiting other fourteen year olds, I think got
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Speaker 2: somewhat lessons the idea of it versus if your like
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Speaker 2: a nineteen year old doing it. Yeah, but that's kind
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Speaker 2: of up for the lot to decide with me, and
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Speaker 2: it's difficult. It's like, or if you look at something
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Speaker 2: like the People's tumble with Jim Jones, do you blame
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Speaker 2: the people who were feeding people kool aid as much
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Speaker 2: as you blame Jim Jones? I don't.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you, but you really can't because again, all of
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Speaker 1: it starts with Jim Jones.
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Speaker 2: Right or Hitler? I mean, do you blame is every not?
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Speaker 2: Does every Nazi, every person who wore that uniform bear
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Speaker 2: the same amount of responsibility as Hitler?
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Speaker 1: Yes? Fuck Nazis.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm saying. People who are living in Germany. I
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Speaker 2: think some of them toward a degree sort of brainwashed,
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Speaker 2: and I think to some of them they don't bear
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Speaker 2: as much responsibility, but they bear responsibility because obviously we
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Speaker 2: had the Nuremberg Trials and everything like that. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: with charismatic people like that, the sense of manipulation runs
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Speaker 2: very deep in the way that they use people. You know,
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Speaker 2: people are tools and different tools for different jobs, and
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Speaker 2: they are definitely being used in these instances. The shots
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Speaker 2: that we get to Florida, Yeah, it makes it look
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Speaker 2: really grim and you realize that a lot of these girls,
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Speaker 2: they did pray in the fact that these girls probably
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Speaker 2: also had been abused before. Like they were talking about
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Speaker 2: how in one of the questionings there was a girl
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Speaker 2: who had had three abortions. One of Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers said,
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Speaker 2: what's worse having three abortions or being abused by mister Eppin.
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Speaker 1: Eh, Yeah, that becomes a thing where And that's how
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Speaker 1: you know Jeffrey Epstein wasn't worried about what would happen
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Speaker 1: if he got arrested, because at one point one of
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Speaker 1: the parents of these girls actually calls the police, and
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Speaker 1: the police do actually execute a search warrant on Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein's Palm Beach residents. The problem is, Jeffrey Epstein had
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Speaker 1: been quoted before this as saying, I own the police
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Speaker 1: like that, there's not really anything the police are going
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Speaker 1: to do, And sure enough someone tipped him off that
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Speaker 1: this raid was coming, so all of it, his computers
19:00
Speaker 1: were gone, all of his video cameras were gone. And
19:04
Speaker 1: not only does he get away with just a misdemeanor
19:08
Speaker 1: solicitation of prostitution charge, which is nuts, and we'll get
19:11
Speaker 1: to that in a second, but he also starts like
19:14
Speaker 1: counter surveillance on the police and on the victims, like
19:19
Speaker 1: really blatantly, like a cop. Like the cop they interview
19:25
Speaker 1: is like, if you do surveillance for a living, you
19:28
Speaker 1: know when you're being surveilled in return. And he was like,
19:32
Speaker 1: I was followed for like three months by Jeffrey Epstein's people,
19:36
Speaker 1: Like he.
19:37
Speaker 2: Threw all his resources into it. He threw entirely here's
19:40
Speaker 2: all who he hied into it. And then you know
19:42
Speaker 2: one of the cops in the thing is the Netflix
19:44
Speaker 2: jockey points out that Epstein had given one hundred thousand
19:47
Speaker 2: dollars donation to the police, the Pombach Police Department, to
19:50
Speaker 2: buy equitment. This is before any accusations came out. You
19:53
Speaker 2: knew what he was doing. He knew that he was
19:54
Speaker 2: buying them all off. And that's not to say that, well,
19:57
Speaker 2: that's what was on the books. That's what they can
19:59
Speaker 2: officially declare. It's nothing to say of if Jeffrey Epstein
20:02
Speaker 2: turned up in someone's driveway offering them a new car.
20:05
Speaker 2: If someone said, well, sorry, this is a side point.
20:07
Speaker 2: But Epstein made a different point that he says to
20:10
Speaker 2: the Vanity Fair reporter, I know all the doctors in
20:12
Speaker 2: all the hospitals, and I can get you while you're
20:14
Speaker 2: giving birth. So did Epstein. Epstein probably knew everybody at
20:17
Speaker 2: every college. If your kid wants to go to college,
20:20
Speaker 2: I can make that happen. You know, if your mother's
20:22
Speaker 2: getting treatment out of hospital, I can get her the
20:24
Speaker 2: best doctors. There's an untold number of ways that we
20:26
Speaker 2: are not even aware of that Jeffrey Epstein could have
20:28
Speaker 2: completely been owning the police time or anybody.
20:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's not to I mean, all cops are bastards,
20:35
Speaker 1: but that's not to imply that every cop related to
20:40
Speaker 1: this case was bad. There were there were police who tried,
20:45
Speaker 1: genuinely tried to investigate this and prosecute it properly. The
20:50
Speaker 1: FBI at one point does genuinely try to prosecute this.
20:55
Speaker 1: They'd build a what they think is a really compelling
20:58
Speaker 1: case that is going to put Jeffrey Epstein away for
21:01
Speaker 1: a long long time, and then at some point something
21:04
Speaker 1: happens and that entire case gets worked down to a
21:10
Speaker 1: misdemeanor charge of soliciting prostitution. So basically they're saying these
21:15
Speaker 1: girls were not victims of sexual assault or a pedophile,
21:18
Speaker 1: these girls were prostitutes, which is nuts.
21:22
Speaker 2: It's quite insane. It's imagine if you were to commit
21:25
Speaker 2: a crime and you had fifty to sixty witnesses that
21:29
Speaker 2: could test of first hand accounts of you committing this crime.
21:32
Speaker 2: How is that not the gold mine of absolute evidence?
21:35
Speaker 2: I mean, it's you don't get cases like that, like
21:38
Speaker 2: for a prosecutor. It's really a slam dunk or any
21:41
Speaker 2: kind of investigating team. You never get that's so much evidence.
21:45
Speaker 2: And the I think police were genuinely horrified when it
21:49
Speaker 2: came down to solicit a prostitution because it just no,
21:53
Speaker 2: there's no logic at all in that because children can't
21:55
Speaker 2: be prostituted, right, and you can give money children for sex,
21:59
Speaker 2: but that does not make them a prostitute.
22:01
Speaker 1: And what's crazy is he got that charge basically twice
22:05
Speaker 1: because when the police launched their investigation, the state's attorney
22:10
Speaker 1: at one point is like, yeah, this is just a misdemeanor,
22:13
Speaker 1: and they're like, what like this is child sex trafficking?
22:17
Speaker 1: What do you mean? It's a misdemeanor And the state's attorney,
22:21
Speaker 1: Barry Kersher, gives him one misdemeanor count of soliciting prostitution.
22:26
Speaker 1: That's the charge he gets. And this is after Jeffrey
22:29
Speaker 1: Epstein fires off a bunch of letters to the state's
22:32
Speaker 1: attorney basically attacking the character of these girls and saying,
22:37
Speaker 1: hey man, these are just prostitutes. I didn't know they
22:40
Speaker 1: were underage. Uh, And the state's attorney falls for it
22:44
Speaker 1: and decides it's just a misdemeanor. And that's how the
22:46
Speaker 1: FBI gets involved, because at that point, the police turned
22:50
Speaker 1: it over to the FBI, and the FBI is like,
22:53
Speaker 1: holy shit, yeah, we want to look into this, and
22:55
Speaker 1: the FBI builds their case and then Jeffrey Epstein gets
22:59
Speaker 1: a felony prostitution charge, and that's when the alex Acosta
23:04
Speaker 1: deal happens, where he basically got eighteen months in prison
23:09
Speaker 1: but with work release and did not abide by that
23:13
Speaker 1: work really like he would leave jail for sure, but
23:16
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to work. He was just out living
23:18
Speaker 1: his fucking life.
23:19
Speaker 2: It's an instance where you have to imagine that the
23:21
Speaker 2: police have been working on this for a very long
23:23
Speaker 2: time and told all of these victims that he's going
23:25
Speaker 2: to be going away for a very long time, and
23:28
Speaker 2: then none of that happens at all. Yeah, so we
23:31
Speaker 2: have to see so also like the people who said
23:34
Speaker 2: that they were apparent prostitutes. So I'm just reminded of
23:37
Speaker 2: Alan Dershowitz, who's like, oh, he told me, oh, maybe
23:39
Speaker 2: one of them will send it to you, or Waldner two.
23:41
Speaker 2: And Alan Dershowitz is like, and I believed him, And
23:44
Speaker 2: it's like, are we to believe that you are that
23:46
Speaker 2: fucking stupid? Or do we really? So we have two
23:49
Speaker 2: answers with that, which is Alan Dershowitz is a fucking
23:51
Speaker 2: moron or Alan Dershwitz think he can just lie and
23:55
Speaker 2: make everyone convince everyone he's fucking more on, even though
23:58
Speaker 2: every other aspect of his life is spent convincing Bruin
24:00
Speaker 2: he's brilliant. But only in this instance is he a
24:02
Speaker 2: fucking moron? Right? Does that make sense?
24:04
Speaker 1: In this one case he was duped, Yeah, he.
24:07
Speaker 2: Was like, oh, and I just I believed them totally. Yeah,
24:09
Speaker 2: that happens all the time that you think she's eighteen
24:12
Speaker 2: and she's not, yeah, that happened fifty or sixty. There's
24:14
Speaker 2: fifty or sixty victims, and he's like, yeah, so I
24:16
Speaker 2: just I felt like it was just once. It's just
24:18
Speaker 2: it is so disgusting that he has the gall to
24:21
Speaker 2: go on television and try to act like that is
24:23
Speaker 2: at all believable. I just if I were the reporter, like,
24:26
Speaker 2: do you think I'm a fucking idiot? It's just it's unbelievable.
24:29
Speaker 2: So all these guys are just like, you know, they
24:30
Speaker 2: really sweep it under the rug. I remember reading about
24:32
Speaker 2: this case in two thousand and six or so through
24:34
Speaker 2: the website The Smoking Gun, because it was so extraordinary
24:36
Speaker 2: about what deal he had gotten and the testimony that
24:41
Speaker 2: came out where they asked him if he has an
24:42
Speaker 2: egg shaped penis?
24:43
Speaker 1: So yeah, he storms out of the room during one
24:46
Speaker 1: of those depositions when they ask if he has an
24:48
Speaker 1: egg shaped penis.
24:49
Speaker 2: Well, that's what's so extraordinary, is you really? It reminds
24:52
Speaker 2: me of that Chappelle show sketch where they're talking about
24:54
Speaker 2: the white justice system versus black justice system and it's
24:56
Speaker 2: like fifth, I plead the fifth. That's what Epstein does
24:59
Speaker 2: in all of the in this investigation room and actually
25:01
Speaker 2: get him to testify to anything. He absolutely gets nothing
25:04
Speaker 2: at all. He pleads the phys if the whole time.
25:07
Speaker 2: So every time we get we get no information whatsoever.
25:11
Speaker 2: They're investigation at Epstein, they get nothing out of them,
25:14
Speaker 2: they don't get any co defendants, they don't get anything.
25:18
Speaker 1: I have this sinking suspicion that the main difference between
25:23
Speaker 1: the FBI and the CIA, Like they both hate radicals,
25:28
Speaker 1: they both hate liberals, they probably both hate communists. I'm
25:32
Speaker 1: assuming they both hate terrorism. But I feel like only
25:36
Speaker 1: one of them hates sex trafficking, and that's the FBI.
25:39
Speaker 1: I feel like the CIA is I with it, and
25:44
Speaker 1: it really bothers me when, like we get a lot
25:48
Speaker 1: of negative comments on iTunes from Pizzagate supporters because we
25:53
Speaker 1: did an episode about how Pizzagate is mostly bullshit. And
25:58
Speaker 1: here's what bothers me. If you're a Pizzagate supporter and
26:01
Speaker 1: a Donald Trump supporter, those two things can't exist in
26:06
Speaker 1: the same space, Like you can't believe that Donald Trump
26:11
Speaker 1: is here to rid the world of satanic pedophiles. When
26:15
Speaker 1: Donald Trump made Alex Acosta this country's labor secretary, the
26:20
Speaker 1: guy who covered for history's most despicable pedophile was put
26:26
Speaker 1: in charge of governing sex trafficking laws in this country
26:29
Speaker 1: by Trump. Trump is not here to save you, motherfuckers
26:33
Speaker 1: from pedophiles. Trump is probably one himself, Exactly.
26:37
Speaker 2: You don't accuse him hanging that label on him if
26:40
Speaker 2: he's fighting sex trafficking and then put that out there,
26:43
Speaker 2: because also he runs teen beauty pageants which apparently he
26:46
Speaker 2: likes to bust into the dressing room and see the
26:48
Speaker 2: girls all changing, and so anything connected to him or
26:51
Speaker 2: he's connected to all these shady modeling agencies in New
26:53
Speaker 2: York which have been connected to sex trafficking. What's that about?
26:56
Speaker 1: Yeah? And the reason I bring the CIA up is
26:59
Speaker 1: we did an episode a while back about a group
27:02
Speaker 1: called the Finders, which was this huge story in like
27:07
Speaker 1: eighty seven and eighty eight where this group, these two
27:11
Speaker 1: dudes in suits were found basically driving this gang of
27:16
Speaker 1: disheveled kids around in a van and they were like, oh,
27:19
Speaker 1: we're taking them to a special school in Mexico for
27:21
Speaker 1: brilliant children. And people end up looking into this and
27:25
Speaker 1: there's all these investigations that are launched and it's clearly
27:29
Speaker 1: a child trafficking ring like it's they find so much evidence,
27:34
Speaker 1: and the investigation is going forward and going forward, and
27:38
Speaker 1: then the CIA shows up, and the CIA shows up
27:41
Speaker 1: and they tell everyone else this is an internal matter
27:44
Speaker 1: and it's done. No one went to jail. There were
27:48
Speaker 1: never any trials, no prosecutions. The CIA just stepped in
27:52
Speaker 1: and was like, we'll deal with it, and they did
27:55
Speaker 1: not deal with it whatsoever.
27:57
Speaker 2: That's what's so infuriating about this is from the point
27:59
Speaker 2: of of the lawyers and the victims, is that anytime
28:03
Speaker 2: they want to get information about something, what are they told, Oh,
28:06
Speaker 2: but you can, it's part of an ongoing investigation. We
28:08
Speaker 2: can't talk about that's part of an ongoing investigation. There
28:10
Speaker 2: no one has any responsibility or any obligation to publish
28:14
Speaker 2: any sort of timeline about when things are happening, or
28:17
Speaker 2: letting people know or letting victims know what the fuck's
28:19
Speaker 2: going on with your case. You can see an investigation
28:21
Speaker 2: is ongoing and just sit on it for years, for
28:23
Speaker 2: years until people die or they're sick or too tired
28:25
Speaker 2: or too poor to do anything about it. And that's
28:27
Speaker 2: just a reality for a lot of cases. Even when
28:29
Speaker 2: the woman who's in charge of the prison system, goes
28:32
Speaker 2: and speaks before Congress, the Senators, you know, Lindsay Graham
28:36
Speaker 2: and all those guys. All she can say is, well,
28:37
Speaker 2: the FBI can't talk about that because it's part of
28:39
Speaker 2: an ongoing FBI investigation. Ongoing, just an indefinite label that
28:42
Speaker 2: you can attach to any sort of investigation in this country.
28:45
Speaker 2: But with Epstein, I mean, anyone who's ever worked as
28:48
Speaker 2: a lawyer anywhere connected to law enforcement cannot believe the
28:51
Speaker 2: work release program that he got. This man got to
28:54
Speaker 2: work in his own office every day, he got to
28:56
Speaker 2: go walk on the beach, he got to take calls.
28:58
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem he wasn't prohibited from using the internet
29:00
Speaker 2: from what I can tell. You know, that's often the
29:02
Speaker 2: thing that applies to pedophiles, that you can't go online.
29:04
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the cops who investigated him at one
29:08
Speaker 1: point when he was on work release just found him
29:11
Speaker 1: walking around I think in Miami, and like even his
29:15
Speaker 1: office I think was fifty miles away from the prison
29:19
Speaker 1: where he was meeting.
29:20
Speaker 2: Dershwitz in a hotel.
29:22
Speaker 1: Yeah.
29:22
Speaker 2: And then he was going in New York and he
29:24
Speaker 2: was traveling out of state. He was going to the
29:26
Speaker 2: Virgin Islands. He at least I think they said at
29:28
Speaker 2: least sixty violations of his parole from what they found.
29:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, once he got out, he didn't abide by any
29:34
Speaker 1: of the sex offender Registry stuff. There's a We've done
29:39
Speaker 1: a couple of episodes with Olivia Hydar over the past
29:43
Speaker 1: couple of weeks about this show called The Hunt for
29:46
Speaker 1: the Trump Tapes with Tom Arnold. Yeah, it's a weird
29:50
Speaker 1: fucking show because it's hosted by Tom Arnold, and those
29:53
Speaker 1: are both bonus episodes. People want to subscribe and give
29:56
Speaker 1: him a listen. But there is one really genuine, only
30:00
Speaker 1: good moment in that series where one he brings up
30:05
Speaker 1: Trump's connection to Jeffrey Epstein well before the Miami Harold
30:10
Speaker 1: wrote about this plea deal and brought it back to
30:12
Speaker 1: everyone's attention. So that was good. But he also goes
30:16
Speaker 1: to Epstein's Manhattan residence and starts handing out pedophile flyers
30:22
Speaker 1: to people on the street, basically gazing saying, hey, did
30:26
Speaker 1: you know there's a pedophile living in this building? But yeah,
30:30
Speaker 1: he didn't have to Jeffrey Epstein didn't have to do
30:32
Speaker 1: any of that shit. He didn't have to tell people
30:34
Speaker 1: he was a pedophile, Like, he got away so fucking
30:37
Speaker 1: easy for crimes that should have put him in prison
30:40
Speaker 1: for life.
30:41
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and and do for anybody else who does
30:45
Speaker 2: even a fraction of these things. We certainly do go
30:47
Speaker 2: to go away for life. And I was even in
30:50
Speaker 2: doing more research on this, I've seeing a lot of
30:52
Speaker 2: photos that involved Naomi Campbell with Glene Maxwell in that
30:55
Speaker 2: people think that's a possible connection that I hadn't heard before,
30:58
Speaker 2: that she was doing a lot of model recruitment for him,
31:00
Speaker 2: and then all her friends are all friends with him.
31:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that like that kind of stuff gets sketchy
31:07
Speaker 1: for me.
31:07
Speaker 2: Oh, it's super sketchy because it's like, Okay, you can
31:09
Speaker 2: see they're in a photo together, they're hanging out. But
31:11
Speaker 2: I mean, nothing's definitive. But the list of people Barclay
31:14
Speaker 2: CEO was tied to Epstein just got fired recently for
31:17
Speaker 2: his connections to Epstein.
31:18
Speaker 1: Yeah. See stuff like that, I buy it. But I
31:22
Speaker 1: could also buy the idea that Naomi Campbell was sending
31:27
Speaker 1: them modeling talent without realizing she was sending them sexual
31:32
Speaker 1: trafficking victims. Or maybe Naomi Campbell's a fucking sex trafficker.
31:36
Speaker 1: I don't know, but we don't know.
31:38
Speaker 2: But these things aren't coming out right now. And when
31:40
Speaker 2: Epstein got out of prison, yeah, he wasn't following me
31:42
Speaker 2: up with any of the protocol And he was embraced
31:45
Speaker 2: for his philanthropy. People loved him because he was giving
31:48
Speaker 2: a lot of money to places like MIT. He was
31:50
Speaker 2: giving a lot of money to Bill Gates, he was
31:51
Speaker 2: working with Elon Musk and just he thought he could
31:55
Speaker 2: cover up all of his criminality with philanthropy. It's an extent,
31:58
Speaker 2: he was right. The only people were holding him accountable
32:00
Speaker 2: were the girls who were, you know, trying to file
32:02
Speaker 2: civil lawsuit.
32:02
Speaker 1: Right, and the back to the Little Black Book for
32:06
Speaker 1: one second, there's one celebrity in particular who I think
32:10
Speaker 1: is getting really unfairly associated with Jeffrey Epstein, and that
32:15
Speaker 1: is Chris Tucker.
32:16
Speaker 2: Because the thing, yeah.
32:19
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you two well I said unfairly Laura, because
32:23
Speaker 1: the thing about a little Black Book, like they say
32:26
Speaker 1: it that way because it sounds tawdry and scandalous, but
32:29
Speaker 1: it's just an address book, it's just a phone number book.
32:33
Speaker 1: And just being in Jeffrey Epstein's book doesn't mean you
32:38
Speaker 1: are a sexual predator. And Chris Tucker in particular, for
32:42
Speaker 1: one thing. People, This Black Book got leaked on the
32:47
Speaker 1: internet a couple of weeks ago, and people acted like
32:50
Speaker 1: it was this big hack and information dump, when that
32:53
Speaker 1: Black Book has been online for years and years and years.
32:56
Speaker 1: We've known the names in that book for a long, long,
32:58
Speaker 1: long long time, and people started calling out Chris Tucker
33:03
Speaker 1: for being in that book, when if you watch the
33:06
Speaker 1: Netflix documentary, it's made very clear why Chris Tucker and
33:10
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein were connected, and it's because Chris Tucker went
33:15
Speaker 1: on a charity trip promoting AIDS awareness in Africa, and
33:20
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was part of that trip. And even in
33:24
Speaker 1: that documentary, the girls who are on that trip make
33:26
Speaker 1: it really clear that nothing happened on that trip, so
33:30
Speaker 1: exactly Chris Tucker alone.
33:34
Speaker 2: Part of the issue there is that Kevin Spacey was
33:37
Speaker 2: on the trip as well. So Chris Tucker is the
33:40
Speaker 2: meat in a pedo sandwich.
33:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Kevin Spacey, which is unfortunate, but you know,
33:45
Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey didn't need Jeffrey Epstein's help abusing young boys
33:50
Speaker 1: like that. It's still like that. And Bill Clinton was
33:53
Speaker 1: on there too, and I don't trust that Bill Clinton
33:55
Speaker 1: isn't having sex with underage girls.
33:57
Speaker 2: But according to all of the andess is they had
34:00
Speaker 2: on camera for this for these pieces, they claim that
34:04
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton was on the island, was on a Lolida Express,
34:07
Speaker 2: but that they never saw him. They never saw him
34:09
Speaker 2: doing anything. But what does that mean?
34:11
Speaker 1: But we don't know, Yeah, what's he going to do,
34:13
Speaker 1: like have sex with an underage girl on a tennis court?
34:16
Speaker 1: Like I'm assuming that would.
34:17
Speaker 2: Be done in price by Prince Andrew.
34:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like just the fact that you're on like especially
34:24
Speaker 1: by that point, because the point where a lot of
34:27
Speaker 1: these people end up at Jeffrey Epstein's island, which again
34:31
Speaker 1: Chris Tucker was not on Jeffrey Epstein's island. This is
34:34
Speaker 1: well after he's been arrested for all of the stuff
34:38
Speaker 1: in Palm Beach.
34:40
Speaker 2: Right, there's a woman who is also a promoter for
34:43
Speaker 2: film companies. I'm sorry and blake in her name right now,
34:45
Speaker 2: but she got in pretty big trouble because so after
34:49
Speaker 2: Epstein gets out of prison, she arranged all these social
34:51
Speaker 2: events for him, and she would tell people Prince Andrew's
34:54
Speaker 2: going to be there, but she wouldn't tell them that
34:56
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein's going to be there. So she would invite
34:58
Speaker 2: all these you know, after and people who are into
35:01
Speaker 2: philanthropy or wanted to meet Prince Andrew to events, and
35:04
Speaker 2: then Jeffrey Epstein would be there, and so they look
35:06
Speaker 2: really awful now, but they really had no way of knowing.
35:09
Speaker 2: But she've been fired from representing major media companies, Like
35:12
Speaker 2: she was working with a few film companies doing pr
35:14
Speaker 2: for them and promotions, and they're like, yeah, you know,
35:17
Speaker 2: you worked with that. You worked with Epstein too much
35:19
Speaker 2: and for too long, so it's a bad association now.
35:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, I find Prince Andrew really interesting. I do believe
35:27
Speaker 1: that he had sex with Virginia Roberts when she was
35:30
Speaker 1: only seventeen. But like one of the theories that has
35:35
Speaker 1: been tossed around about Jeffrey Epstein is that he was
35:39
Speaker 1: blackmailing people on behalf of some intelligence organization. Like no
35:44
Speaker 1: one has ever really specified whether that would be the
35:48
Speaker 1: United States, Russia, Israel, who knows. And the thing about
35:53
Speaker 1: Prince Andrew his defense is because Virginia Roberts has described
35:58
Speaker 1: their encounter and she always says that Prince Andrew was
36:03
Speaker 1: very sweaty, like just drenched in sweat, and his argument is, Okay,
36:09
Speaker 1: well I had a medical condition at the time, and
36:12
Speaker 1: I did not sweat, like I could not sweat due
36:15
Speaker 1: to medical reasons, So what the fuck is that about.
36:18
Speaker 1: I think Prince Andrew wasn't drugged, but probably took some
36:23
Speaker 1: drugs and that explains the sweating. That would explain what
36:28
Speaker 1: loosened him up enough to decide fucking a seventeen year
36:31
Speaker 1: old was a good idea. And then I think at
36:33
Speaker 1: some point they came to him and were like, all right,
36:36
Speaker 1: we got you on tape having sex with a seventeen
36:38
Speaker 1: year old, and I feel like he might have been like,
36:40
Speaker 1: all right, put that tape out, then explain why you
36:43
Speaker 1: have it, like what you're reasoning for doing this, because
36:47
Speaker 1: that is gonna become a question whenever, Like people are
36:52
Speaker 1: waiting for this treasure trove of tapes to come out
36:56
Speaker 1: and expecting that all of these prominent figures are going
36:59
Speaker 1: to fall as a result. But even if that happens,
37:01
Speaker 1: there's still another question there, which is why was this happening.
37:07
Speaker 1: Is it just that everyone involved is a pedophile and
37:11
Speaker 1: they like having sex with kids? Yes, probably, but also
37:15
Speaker 1: was there something behind this effort to accumulate all of
37:20
Speaker 1: this information on powerful people and if so, who and why,
37:25
Speaker 1: as did.
37:25
Speaker 2: The theory about him just being drugged. The property manager
37:28
Speaker 2: at Saint Thomas also said that he saw Prince Andrew
37:31
Speaker 2: with that girl on the property and that she was
37:32
Speaker 2: topless and he was behind her grinding on her. Yeah,
37:35
Speaker 2: I mean, so, I mean I think Prince Andrew.
37:37
Speaker 1: Well, no, I don't mean, I don't mean he was roofied.
37:39
Speaker 2: Oh no, you meant like he was roofed once that
37:45
Speaker 2: it was like what did I do? And like never
37:47
Speaker 2: went back again because he stayed friends with him.
37:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I could see him like taking a bunch
37:51
Speaker 1: of fucking molly and like, then you're not drugged.
37:55
Speaker 2: You just took drugs, right, right, Okay, yeah, sorry, So
37:59
Speaker 2: with the black Book thing, like it's a good point,
38:01
Speaker 2: but I mentioned that Epstein's butler was this guy Alfraida Rodriguez,
38:06
Speaker 2: and he refused to turn over the book that he
38:10
Speaker 2: had here, so he'd stolen Epstein's book black Book, his
38:14
Speaker 2: address book. Seeing the little black books makes it seem
38:16
Speaker 2: like it's like all his others, but it's more like
38:17
Speaker 2: just an address book, right, So he attempted to sell
38:20
Speaker 2: it for over thirty pounds, and he claimed that he
38:24
Speaker 2: needed this book as insurance against the businessman because he
38:27
Speaker 2: wanted to protect his own life. And he was married.
38:30
Speaker 2: And he told his widow Patricia Dunn, sorry he's dead spoiler,
38:34
Speaker 2: that he knew all about Prince Andrew and he had
38:37
Speaker 2: all of his info that was contained within this book too.
38:40
Speaker 2: And Rodriguez did go to jail for you know, not
38:44
Speaker 2: turning over the evidence and attempting to sell it. And
38:46
Speaker 2: he died at the age of sixty from mesothelioma. Yeah,
38:50
Speaker 2: this was in twenty fifteen, so this is before Epstein
38:53
Speaker 2: got you know, arrested a second time. So he was
38:55
Speaker 2: like sixty and has mesothelioma, which is a very particular
38:58
Speaker 2: kind of cancer, not very common and kills you really fast.
39:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I don't know. Whenever there's a bunch of
39:07
Speaker 1: weird deaths around the story, I'm always in right away,
39:11
Speaker 1: Like I never have any doubt that when stuff like
39:15
Speaker 1: that happens, people are being targeted and murdered to keep
39:19
Speaker 1: them silent, even if they fucking die of cancer.
39:22
Speaker 2: Right, And these housekeepers sound very scared when they're being
39:25
Speaker 2: interviewed by the police and stop asked about Epstein and
39:27
Speaker 2: what he's doing. The people who work for him, they
39:30
Speaker 2: seem very frightened and like they really don't want to
39:32
Speaker 2: say anything at all that could implicate him. And one
39:35
Speaker 2: of the victims makes a great point, which is that
39:37
Speaker 2: all of the people, you know, the governor of Saint Thomas,
39:41
Speaker 2: all the people worked at the airport, they all saw
39:43
Speaker 2: all these children being moved or girls that looked underage,
39:46
Speaker 2: and none of them ever said anything or did any
39:48
Speaker 2: not one, not a one. Yeah, So, like the governor
39:50
Speaker 2: of Saint Thomas definitely knew who he was and they
39:53
Speaker 2: had a relationship. And the governor of Saint Thomas, I'm sorry,
39:56
Speaker 2: I don't have his name on hand. His wife worked
39:58
Speaker 2: on a board for one of Epstein's come.
40:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy that the governor being so friendly with
40:04
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and welcoming him with open arms didn't really
40:09
Speaker 1: seem to bother anyone there, because if you compare that
40:12
Speaker 1: to we did a bonus episode. There's a podcast on
40:16
Speaker 1: the network called celebrit Tragic that I host with Kerrie Martin,
40:20
Speaker 1: and it's about tragic celebrities, and the first season was
40:24
Speaker 1: about Anna Nicole Smith and one of our bonus episodes
40:28
Speaker 1: is about the time she moved to the Bahamas and
40:32
Speaker 1: the uproar over her being able to just move to
40:36
Speaker 1: the Bahamas and become a citizen, even though that process
40:39
Speaker 1: normally took like six months. It literally toppled the government
40:44
Speaker 1: of the Bahamas. People were so fucking angry at how
40:48
Speaker 1: they just let Anna Nicole Smith move to the Bahamas
40:52
Speaker 1: and become a resident that it fucking ended that administration
40:56
Speaker 1: and they didn't regain power for like another twelve years. Meanwhile,
41:00
Speaker 1: the government of Saint Thomas moves a pedophile in and
41:03
Speaker 1: people are like, eh, or.
41:05
Speaker 2: Look what happened with what's his face? With Belize McAfee.
41:08
Speaker 2: You know how he was able to manipulate and control
41:11
Speaker 2: the government and police department there. So it's not unheard of,
41:15
Speaker 2: but definitely once Epstein gets out of prison prison ue unquote,
41:19
Speaker 2: once Epstein change his offices after being unfairly accused of
41:24
Speaker 2: solicity prostitutes, deadly mean, evil prostitutes.
41:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, they even talk about the prison he was in,
41:31
Speaker 1: which was not a prison, It was like a county
41:33
Speaker 1: stockade and he had his entire own wing of the
41:38
Speaker 1: building is where he was held.
41:39
Speaker 2: That's nuts listeners, Look around your place, wherever you're living
41:43
Speaker 2: right now. Jeffrey Epstein was in prisonent somewhere bigger. I
41:46
Speaker 2: guarantee you with better WiFi, yeah, your cable, better air conditioning.
41:51
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's prison conditions were way better than your current
41:54
Speaker 1: living conditions.
41:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
41:56
Speaker 1: Everyone listening to this, including me, I don't.
41:59
Speaker 2: Care where you are, Yeah, get a way better deal.
42:03
Speaker 2: It would. So the documentary or both pieces kind of
42:06
Speaker 2: move on, and this is a point in time where
42:08
Speaker 2: we're talking about this woman who is an actress, a
42:10
Speaker 2: chante Davis Davies sorry and buddy massage therapist. She actually
42:15
Speaker 2: does really want to be a messuse and she gets
42:17
Speaker 2: connected with Jeffrey Epstein, gets a job with him, and
42:20
Speaker 2: naturally that does not vote well for her.
42:22
Speaker 1: No, she gets raped and her sister does also, which
42:27
Speaker 1: that is in They hit on that a lot in
42:30
Speaker 1: this part of the documentary, that Jeffrey Epstein wouldn't just
42:33
Speaker 1: go after one girl. If he knew that girl had
42:36
Speaker 1: a younger sister, he would go after her too, and
42:39
Speaker 1: it they describe it. I think it's one of the
42:42
Speaker 1: victims who describes it as people were like a sport
42:45
Speaker 1: to him, like he just wanted new faces every day,
42:49
Speaker 1: Like he at one point at the Palm Beach residence
42:53
Speaker 1: was having appointments with these girls at nine am, twelve pm,
42:58
Speaker 1: and four pm every That is insane, right.
43:03
Speaker 2: It's one of those things that's kind of a strange
43:05
Speaker 2: catch twenty two in these instances because because there's so
43:08
Speaker 2: many victims, I'm sure he does start to forget them.
43:10
Speaker 2: So then later he's asked what about this person, He's like, Oh,
43:13
Speaker 2: I don't even remember them. I don't even know if
43:15
Speaker 2: I've ever met them. They're like, see, he doesn't even
43:16
Speaker 2: know them, and it's like, no, it's because he's fucking
43:18
Speaker 2: abuse so many people. He doesn't even remember anymore. None
43:21
Speaker 2: of these people are interesting or particular to him. None
43:24
Speaker 2: of them probably stand out in his memory unless maybe
43:26
Speaker 2: they refuse him at some point. But no, he has
43:28
Speaker 2: no memory for just the sheer numbers. It's just a
43:31
Speaker 2: body count. He's a vampire and they constantly are seeking
43:33
Speaker 2: new blood. It's one of those interesting things that's always
43:36
Speaker 2: brought up when they're talking about the pizza gates stuff
43:38
Speaker 2: or wanting adrenochrome. Is that a lot of these accusations
43:42
Speaker 2: of pedophile conspiracies end up with they're actually drinking kids blood.
43:45
Speaker 2: And it's bizarre to me because Peter Thiel, who's a billionaire,
43:49
Speaker 2: he who founded the whole cocain case against Coker, he
43:52
Speaker 2: actually does take the blood of a college aged boy
43:55
Speaker 2: and inject it into himself. He actually does live off
43:58
Speaker 2: the blood of kids. What he's admitted it. Yes, he
44:01
Speaker 2: injects himself, he gets transfusions of a college student's blood.
44:05
Speaker 2: Peter Teel, he's a vampire like, literally a vampire.
44:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, Peter Teal is one of those people that of everyone,
44:13
Speaker 1: he's one that I'm very nervous about shit talking, just
44:16
Speaker 1: because of what we did to Gawker. It's oh yeah, crazy,
44:20
Speaker 1: right and all.
44:20
Speaker 2: Right, you can cut this out if you want.
44:23
Speaker 1: Well, no, it's not that serious, but it does it
44:25
Speaker 1: does you really need.
44:26
Speaker 2: It's like that vampire metaphor is almost not a metaphor
44:29
Speaker 2: in the sepul Sometimes it's just where where does the
44:33
Speaker 2: faction fiction begin and end? I can't even tell you.
44:35
Speaker 2: But yeah, they were described as being very vampire like.
44:38
Speaker 2: And they're also saying that Gilly Maxwell had all the
44:41
Speaker 2: photos of all these girls on her computers too, and
44:43
Speaker 2: those have never been found or never been searched through.
44:45
Speaker 2: But she was just as forceful about getting new blood,
44:49
Speaker 2: getting new girls. She called them the new Biles, and
44:51
Speaker 2: she's like, we need to get them, we need to
44:52
Speaker 2: get them, we need to get them. So that's why
44:54
Speaker 2: they're always going after the younger sisters. They're always trying
44:57
Speaker 2: to do the most to degrade you and use you
44:59
Speaker 2: as mean to an end.
45:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just the sheer number of victims here, like
45:06
Speaker 1: we've heard from what like seven twelve something like that,
45:10
Speaker 1: that like if you do the math that covers like
45:13
Speaker 1: a week's worth of girls, there's so many more still
45:17
Speaker 1: out there. And it's like, are they out there or
45:20
Speaker 1: did some of them get murdered?
45:22
Speaker 2: Like I was trying to find that, and it's honestly,
45:25
Speaker 2: it's hard to find any information about whether any accusers
45:28
Speaker 2: are now dead. We really don't know. But then we
45:30
Speaker 2: have other things that are brought up and sort of dropped,
45:33
Speaker 2: which are them asking at Epstein about a friend bringing
45:37
Speaker 2: him three twelve year old French girls who don't speak
45:39
Speaker 2: English for his what sixtieth birth day?
45:41
Speaker 1: Believe Yeah, I think that comes up in the Netflix documentary.
45:45
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's one of those pieces of info. So
45:48
Speaker 2: these are just the kids we're talking about in America.
45:50
Speaker 2: But obviously this is not a man who limits his
45:52
Speaker 2: activities to the States. So we don't even know about
45:56
Speaker 2: how many UK victims there could be. We don't know
45:58
Speaker 2: how many you know, victims in France that could be.
46:00
Speaker 2: We haven't really heard a lot about how many kids
46:03
Speaker 2: were brought to the New Mexico ranch, about or whether
46:05
Speaker 2: he prayed on kids in New Mexico. We really have
46:07
Speaker 2: no way of knowing. Yeah right now anyway. So and
46:09
Speaker 2: then the only people who are publishing stuff about this
46:11
Speaker 2: when he's in Saint Thomas, the Miami Harold publishes like
46:14
Speaker 2: a real takedown and gets back into the news in
46:18
Speaker 2: the later two thousands. Yeah, if they hadn't done that,
46:21
Speaker 2: what would have happened?
46:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Miami Harold. I did an episode of In
46:26
Speaker 1: Broad Daylight, which is my solo podcast about Jeffrey Epstein,
46:31
Speaker 1: back around the time The Miami Harold started writing about it,
46:35
Speaker 1: and we'll link to it on the website and in
46:38
Speaker 1: the show notes for this episode two. But their reporting
46:42
Speaker 1: on Jeffrey Epstein is fascinating, and of all the documentaries
46:48
Speaker 1: that you can watch, I think those Miami Harold articles
46:52
Speaker 1: are still probably the best means of understanding what happened
46:58
Speaker 1: with Jeffrey Epstein. Like they go in to a lot
47:01
Speaker 1: of detail, and it was really effective reporting because it
47:05
Speaker 1: directly led to the case being reopened in him being
47:09
Speaker 1: arrested again. What I don't understand is why hasn't Gallaine
47:14
Speaker 1: Maxwell been arrested. Is it just that they can't find her?
47:18
Speaker 2: It's partially that one of the issues details about her
47:22
Speaker 2: case that I started looking into was when there was
47:26
Speaker 2: a question of why wasn't she investigated initially or why
47:30
Speaker 2: wasn't she arrested At the time that he was, there
47:32
Speaker 2: was this one particular detective who said that she who
47:36
Speaker 2: cleared her and his name was Joseph for Carrie, And
47:40
Speaker 2: this guy worked on the police department for twenty three
47:43
Speaker 2: years in Palm Beach and it's interesting in his instance,
47:47
Speaker 2: he left the police force after twenty three years, So
47:50
Speaker 2: this is in twenty thirteen. He leaves the police force
47:53
Speaker 2: for femily now a reason. He went to work with
47:56
Speaker 2: one of his friends at Gold Coast Holdings, which is
47:58
Speaker 2: a local beer distribute, and he became the director of facilities.
48:01
Speaker 2: So that's in twenty thirteen, and everyone all those stories
48:04
Speaker 2: are about how great a detective he was, about how
48:06
Speaker 2: everyone loved him even though he his work basically led
48:10
Speaker 2: to Glee Maxwell getting off. But then in twenty eighteen,
48:14
Speaker 2: he dies of a mysterious illness at the age of fifty,
48:19
Speaker 2: completely healthy police officer, large guy looks like a marine
48:23
Speaker 2: dead at fifty from a brief illness, and no other
48:26
Speaker 2: information was released about his cause of death.
48:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's suspicious because I think she's, like, she's the
48:33
Speaker 1: most important piece to this story now, because she was
48:37
Speaker 1: one half of the duo that was doing this. It
48:40
Speaker 1: wasn't just Jeffrey Epstein, and I wonder where her connections
48:47
Speaker 1: trace back to and what kind of I don't know.
48:52
Speaker 1: I just I feel like we're never going to know
48:55
Speaker 1: the actual truth about this without hearing it from her.
49:00
Speaker 2: I agree, it's it's confusing to me or it's the
49:03
Speaker 2: major sign of something amiss with the fact that I
49:06
Speaker 2: didn't learn about his butler or that police officer being
49:09
Speaker 2: dead from either documentary. Right the butler. I learned about
49:12
Speaker 2: the butler I learned about from a lawyer a legal
49:15
Speaker 2: Legal Eagle, which is a YouTube channel where lawyer goes
49:17
Speaker 2: over famous legal cases, and he mentioned the butler, and
49:20
Speaker 2: then I looked up that butler fan that he's dead.
49:22
Speaker 2: And then with Carrie, the detective that cleared Maxwell, he's
49:25
Speaker 2: never mentioned in either documentary that he cleared her, and
49:28
Speaker 2: they never mentioned that he's dead either. I to look
49:31
Speaker 2: him up in a separate search and find out that
49:32
Speaker 2: he's dead. So these are two big deaths connected to
49:34
Speaker 2: the case that are in neither documentary made about them.
49:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it makes me wonder, Like we've heard so
49:41
Speaker 1: many people float the idea that well, Jeffrey Epstein was
49:44
Speaker 1: clearly being protected, like someone was looking out for his
49:48
Speaker 1: best interest. Otherwise he would have been in prison for
49:51
Speaker 1: his entire life. But is he the one that's being
49:53
Speaker 1: protected or is it Julaanne Maxwell who's the one that's
49:56
Speaker 1: being protected because she hasn't faced any cushions from any
50:01
Speaker 1: of this, even when he got that sweetheart plea deal,
50:06
Speaker 1: she got immunity, like all of his co conspirators got immunity.
50:10
Speaker 1: And if you can go back and re arrest Jeffrey Epstein,
50:13
Speaker 1: then I think that implies that that plea deal is
50:16
Speaker 1: kind of off the table now, and maybe you can
50:18
Speaker 1: go arrest those co conspirators too, But who can fucking
50:21
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone can even find her now.
50:24
Speaker 2: No, she is her awhareabout their unknown and I have
50:28
Speaker 2: never heard of soa being offered a deal that extends
50:32
Speaker 2: to unnamed conspirators.
50:34
Speaker 1: No, it's unheard of. It is unnamed conspirator, absolutely unheard of.
50:39
Speaker 2: Okay. The the big thing about Glen Maxwell, besides having
50:43
Speaker 2: an imbecilic spelling of her name, so the thing that
50:47
Speaker 2: people point out as being very influential about, you know,
50:50
Speaker 2: her situation is that her father was a major media
50:54
Speaker 2: figure and a member of parliament and a fraud ster.
50:57
Speaker 2: So he just had this you know, big publishing pired
51:00
Speaker 2: the Mirror group with him, and he had escapex Natzy occupation.
51:05
Speaker 2: He was an Orthodox Jew from Tobakia and he managed
51:08
Speaker 2: to become a citizen of the UK. And he's well
51:11
Speaker 2: known to have been a spy, an Israeli spy is
51:14
Speaker 2: what they say, right.
51:15
Speaker 1: Nas See, now we're getting somewhere.
51:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he died though, and that's why Glee Maxwell
51:22
Speaker 2: actually moved to New York in nineteen ninety one, was
51:25
Speaker 2: like right after her father's death around that time, And
51:28
Speaker 2: so it looks like she traded in one creep or another,
51:30
Speaker 2: because this guy is involved with a lot of shady
51:33
Speaker 2: undertaking really, but.
51:35
Speaker 1: Also that like there's your intelligence connection, Like it's it's
51:41
Speaker 1: not impossible that if her dad was a spy, she
51:44
Speaker 1: might be a spy as well.
51:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean his death was very suspicious in that
51:49
Speaker 2: he was on a boat and was like found missing,
51:52
Speaker 2: and his nude body was recovered from the ocean, and
51:55
Speaker 2: there's no noticeable wounds on him, and just they say
51:58
Speaker 2: that he was just a heart attack combined with accidental drowning.
52:01
Speaker 1: No one dies accidentally on a boat. Every boat death
52:04
Speaker 1: is a murder. I believe that deep in my heart.
52:07
Speaker 2: You can get into more about particularly what he's said
52:09
Speaker 2: to be doing, but essentially he's a massad agent who
52:12
Speaker 2: probably committed a number of murders et cetera. Pikes.
52:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's it.
52:15
Speaker 2: Still pension funds and everything like that. You know, it's
52:18
Speaker 2: typical evil media magnet stuff.
52:20
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's really interesting when you take
52:24
Speaker 1: it in context with Jeffrey Epstein, because there had to
52:28
Speaker 1: be like there I guess there doesn't have to be,
52:31
Speaker 1: but the suggestion is still that he was making his
52:34
Speaker 1: money by blackmailing people, and who was he gathering all
52:38
Speaker 1: of this blackmail material on behalf of Was it just
52:42
Speaker 1: for his own personal gratification or was it at the
52:46
Speaker 1: direction of an intelligence agency. I think we need to
52:49
Speaker 1: know that because I think that would be a major
52:52
Speaker 1: intelligence agency running a sex trafficking scheme.
52:56
Speaker 2: In order to get whatever they want out of people.
52:58
Speaker 2: And they're just as guilty of manipulating and abusing children.
53:02
Speaker 2: Then using the abuse of children as a way to
53:04
Speaker 2: get information out of people is kind of evil. I
53:06
Speaker 2: don't even want to think about. But I would guess
53:09
Speaker 2: if I were hazard a guess, I would say that
53:10
Speaker 2: Glen Maxwell is being protected by the FBI, the CIA,
53:13
Speaker 2: and the Massade possibly m I six. So I think
53:16
Speaker 2: there's at least three governments involved in keeping her wherever
53:18
Speaker 2: the fuck she is and keeping her out of jail.
53:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that. And if it, I mean,
53:23
Speaker 1: everyone listening to this, you're listening to a conspiracy podcast,
53:26
Speaker 1: so this won't none of this sounds crazy to you,
53:29
Speaker 1: but just on the off chance, like I know, for
53:32
Speaker 1: the government to be involved in something like this sounds
53:35
Speaker 1: really insane. But keep in mind, we have documented proof
53:39
Speaker 1: that the CIA in the nineteen sixties not only ran
53:43
Speaker 1: brothels in San Francisco, but what they would do with
53:47
Speaker 1: those brothels is invite really influential and powerful people there,
53:52
Speaker 1: slip them LSD, and then just kind of watch what
53:55
Speaker 1: they would do, like watch what happens when you send
53:57
Speaker 1: prostitutes in and see how it works. And like, you know,
54:02
Speaker 1: when these powerful people landed in San Francisco, it's not
54:06
Speaker 1: like someone ran up to him and was like, Hey,
54:08
Speaker 1: you want to go to this really great CIA spot
54:10
Speaker 1: around the corner. I know, the CIA runs this really
54:13
Speaker 1: cool brothel. It's got a big CIA sign. You gona
54:16
Speaker 1: go check that out. No, they were lied to about
54:18
Speaker 1: who was running that fucking operation. And I feel like
54:21
Speaker 1: the same thing was happening with Jeffrey Epstein. They were like, Oh,
54:24
Speaker 1: I'm just going to hang out with a pedophile. No,
54:26
Speaker 1: you're hanging out with a government controlled pedophile. Is more
54:30
Speaker 1: what it seemed like.
54:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we can talk about it a little
54:33
Speaker 2: bit too. There's other odd details about his case that
54:36
Speaker 2: don't really add up about why things are positioned the
54:38
Speaker 2: way they are, you guys mentioning that. So when Epstein
54:41
Speaker 2: was found dead in his cell previous to that, he
54:44
Speaker 2: had a cellmate when he was on suicide Watch, and
54:48
Speaker 2: Epstein claimed that this guy beat him up, which this
54:51
Speaker 2: dude denies. So the guy in question is Nicholas Turtaglioni,
54:55
Speaker 2: and he's a former New York City police officer, and
54:58
Speaker 2: he is facing the death pet which would be the
55:00
Speaker 2: first time someone's face the death penalty in the state
55:02
Speaker 2: of New York sin it's the Rosenberg's in nineteen fifty three.
55:05
Speaker 2: And so in December to sixteen, this guy, Tartaglioni, he
55:08
Speaker 2: had already left the briarclif Police Department. He was arrested
55:11
Speaker 2: and accused of killing four men Martin Luna, Miguel Luna,
55:14
Speaker 2: Orbano Santiago and Hector Gudier. Is part of a cocaine conspiracy.
55:17
Speaker 2: The victims were found in like part of this property
55:20
Speaker 2: that he was rent in the past, and it was
55:22
Speaker 2: just a bad coke deal and he killed four men
55:25
Speaker 2: over five pounds. But it's just very it's very telling
55:28
Speaker 2: to me that they chose as a you know, someone
55:32
Speaker 2: to put with Epstein who is already has a death
55:34
Speaker 2: sentence on their head essentially and is a former cop.
55:37
Speaker 2: What does that mean, does that mean anything?
55:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it kind of points to the idea
55:41
Speaker 1: that maybe they were trying to get him killed.
55:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's very it's very bizarre to me.
55:46
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's just layers in here that don't
55:48
Speaker 2: add up for the people involved. And you know, we
55:50
Speaker 2: mentioned Acosta earlier, but Acosta did resign his post. So
55:54
Speaker 2: Epstein was arrested in July, and then six days later
55:58
Speaker 2: a Costa resigned. Mind, but man, yeah, I got that
56:02
Speaker 2: quote from Trump. Did you love that? That tweet from
56:04
Speaker 2: Trump when he resigned?
56:05
Speaker 1: Uh? Which one was that?
56:06
Speaker 2: Alex Acosta informed this morning that he felt the constant
56:09
Speaker 2: Trump beat of press about a prosecution which took place
56:12
Speaker 2: under his watch more than twelve years ago was bad
56:15
Speaker 2: for the administration, which he so strongly believes in, and
56:18
Speaker 2: he graciously tendered his resignation.
56:21
Speaker 1: My god, Trump is such a fucking problem.
56:24
Speaker 2: Oh Jesus, Yeah, more than twelve years ago. Hey, guys,
56:29
Speaker 2: the kid rape occurred. It's twelve twelve years ago.
56:32
Speaker 1: That girl's in her twenties. Now, why isn't she over it?
56:35
Speaker 2: Exactly? Hey, is something that happened under his watch? It
56:39
Speaker 2: wasn't under his watch? He did it in the sense
56:42
Speaker 2: that you watch things that you actually do.
56:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this didn't see yourself doing it under Alex
56:49
Speaker 1: Acosta's watch. He fucking hey, what are you guys doing?
56:51
Speaker 2: Let now pedophiles looks good.
56:54
Speaker 1: And there's in the both documentaries there's all of these
56:57
Speaker 1: emails between Jeffrey at Epstein's lawyers and the prosecutors in
57:02
Speaker 1: Florida where they're basically just being like, well, do you
57:05
Speaker 1: think he'll accept this charge? And his lawyers will just
57:08
Speaker 1: write back and be like, no, try again, and they finally.
57:11
Speaker 2: Fauna, who's the woman they mentioned a woman too, Maria
57:15
Speaker 2: Maria something, the Fauna or something, I forget who she
57:18
Speaker 2: worked at. She was working in the office and she
57:19
Speaker 2: was telling all these victims, hey, you know, you know,
57:21
Speaker 2: we're gonna put them away for life. And then it
57:22
Speaker 2: turned out that she was also writing emails to Epstein's
57:25
Speaker 2: team on her free time and offering to make any
57:29
Speaker 2: sort of necessary edits that they wanted to the document
57:32
Speaker 2: right to appease them.
57:33
Speaker 1: Yeah. So this Jeffrey Epstein was clearly a very powerful
57:38
Speaker 1: person who had some very powerful connections, and we still
57:42
Speaker 1: got to find those connections like this that to me
57:46
Speaker 1: is the most important detail now, Like we know what
57:49
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein did. The victims have been heard, which is good.
57:55
Speaker 1: Those victims have not received justice of any sort. I
57:59
Speaker 1: would all argue like Jeffrey, like I don't even know
58:02
Speaker 1: if Jeffrey Epstein's really fucking dead, Like it wouldn't like
58:05
Speaker 1: if you can get into a prison to murder him,
58:09
Speaker 1: you can get into prison to fucking get him out
58:11
Speaker 1: of there.
58:12
Speaker 2: Like I see the picture of his dead body.
58:14
Speaker 1: Even the pictures of his dead body are about that.
58:19
Speaker 2: But I was like, oh God, it's him. It's a
58:21
Speaker 2: dead body. He bruises Oliver's back. It was very weird.
58:24
Speaker 1: He also, I haven't looked into this photo that much
58:28
Speaker 1: to find out if it's doctored. If someone can send
58:32
Speaker 1: me a proof that it is, I'm all for it.
58:34
Speaker 1: But in the photo where he's being carried out of
58:37
Speaker 1: prison on a stretcher or one thing, for some reason,
58:40
Speaker 1: his face isn't covered, and from his side profile, the
58:45
Speaker 1: person on that stretcher has a really weird bump on
58:49
Speaker 1: their nose, and Jeffrey Epstein does not have that bump
58:53
Speaker 1: on his nose. Now, that could be the result of
58:57
Speaker 1: an injury that happened during his death. But it is
59:01
Speaker 1: weird and like I don't know, Like I know, we've
59:05
Speaker 1: seen pictures of the body, but didn't we see pictures
59:08
Speaker 1: of Elvis's body too, And he clearly fled to Argentina
59:12
Speaker 1: and entered the witness protection program. I believe that so hard.
59:16
Speaker 2: He went into a little submarine. But the point about
59:21
Speaker 2: the death investigation of him with from the prison and
59:24
Speaker 2: everything is his brother, Robert Epstein, I forgot his brother.
59:27
Speaker 2: Epstein's brother ordered a private investigation and they found that
59:31
Speaker 2: there were bones broken in his neck, which you probably
59:34
Speaker 2: couldn't break on your own through suicide by hanging, and
59:37
Speaker 2: they found that to be very inclusive. It was more
59:39
Speaker 2: in line with someone being choked to death. And what's
59:42
Speaker 2: sad to me too is that the two guards in
59:44
Speaker 2: his case, we have not gotten any update about what's
59:47
Speaker 2: happening with them. Nothing else has come out in the
59:49
Speaker 2: news about what's going on with their cases.
59:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they were both arrested, right.
59:52
Speaker 2: Yes, And it's an African American woman and man. Mmm,
59:56
Speaker 2: So he'sn't a funny that in this whole scandal, the
59:58
Speaker 2: two people are probably gonna face the most jailed are
1:00:00
Speaker 2: going to be afraid of Rodriguez his you know, Hispanic
1:00:03
Speaker 2: housekeeper who wouldn't give away his black book, and then
1:00:06
Speaker 2: two black prison guards.
1:00:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds about about right American for this country.
1:00:11
Speaker 1: That's that's a very American ending to this story. My god.
1:00:14
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, but there's been no real updates about work
1:00:16
Speaker 2: Lee Maxwell. It's or what the pursuit of her is.
1:00:18
Speaker 2: Do we see any one of the news being like, Hey,
1:00:20
Speaker 2: this is what we're doing to work on this show
1:00:22
Speaker 2: your work. They never show their work. Yeah, I don't
1:00:24
Speaker 2: think know that anyone cares.
1:00:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like people really don't. And that is
1:00:29
Speaker 1: a very high profile sexual predator who is just still
1:00:33
Speaker 1: out there in the world free and doing god knows what.
1:00:38
Speaker 1: Because it's not just that she was lining up girls
1:00:41
Speaker 1: for Jeffrey Epstein's she was molesting them, also molesting and
1:00:44
Speaker 1: raping these girls.
1:00:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's like it's almost like if I
1:00:48
Speaker 2: were a super billionaire, I would just if I were
1:00:50
Speaker 2: jeff Besis, I would just hire a hitman to killer
1:00:52
Speaker 2: wherever she is.
1:00:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it seems like something a rich person
1:00:55
Speaker 1: could get away with.
1:00:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just to suggest it and make a good book, right,
1:01:00
Speaker 2: she turns up dead. I'm investigated by.
1:01:02
Speaker 1: The We're both going to prison.
1:01:04
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. But yeah, So the conclusion about this
1:01:09
Speaker 2: case is, are we ever going to get Donald Trump
1:01:11
Speaker 2: testifying court abou whether he raped a thirteen year old?
1:01:13
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Individually, mcl you know, hung up
1:01:16
Speaker 2: by your thumbs, I doubt it. I'm not very hopeful
1:01:19
Speaker 2: about the justice in this case, any justice getting meted
1:01:21
Speaker 2: out to victims or But you know, you got to
1:01:24
Speaker 2: ask yourself, what's going to happen to Epstein's brother? You know,
1:01:26
Speaker 2: what happens to all Epstein's properties? What happens to you know,
1:01:30
Speaker 2: Less Wesner and all these all these people who still
1:01:33
Speaker 2: love the money.
1:01:33
Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you about his property. There is
1:01:36
Speaker 1: a website called epstein airs dot com where if you
1:01:41
Speaker 1: believe you might be the child of Jeffrey Epstein, you
1:01:43
Speaker 1: can upload your information and the people behind that website
1:01:47
Speaker 1: will research it and if it turns out that you
1:01:50
Speaker 1: have a valid claim, they will petition the court on
1:01:52
Speaker 1: your behalf and help you get some of Jeffrey Epstein's
1:01:55
Speaker 1: money and child. Yeah. We I don't remember what show
1:02:00
Speaker 1: we talked about it on, but the website is still up.
1:02:05
Speaker 1: I believe, let me chat. Oh yeah, find you real.
1:02:09
Speaker 2: Dead at Epstein Airs? Oh my god.
1:02:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Morse. Genealogical Services is the company that runs
1:02:16
Speaker 1: the website, and they're basically looking for anyone who can
1:02:20
Speaker 1: prove they are the offspring of Jeffrey Epstein so they
1:02:24
Speaker 1: can get that person money, which feels like a pretty
1:02:29
Speaker 1: noble cause to me.
1:02:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly does. Holy shit, But yeah, I can't.
1:02:33
Speaker 2: It's been it's been a hard week between this and
1:02:35
Speaker 2: about seventy different wrestlers being accused of sexual assault and abuse,
1:02:39
Speaker 2: and you.
1:02:39
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, anything else happening in the country.
1:02:42
Speaker 2: People in the comedy community are being outed as preditors.
1:02:47
Speaker 2: There's gonna be war with China and India. John Bolton
1:02:51
Speaker 2: should be in prison.
1:02:52
Speaker 1: The police are terrorists.
1:02:54
Speaker 2: Police are terrorists, acab.
1:02:57
Speaker 1: What a time.
1:02:59
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, yep oh, man, Yeah, it's a
1:03:01
Speaker 2: rough one. I'm not you know, I'm not. I'm not
1:03:03
Speaker 2: living my easy going life, you know. So it affects,
1:03:06
Speaker 2: It affects me. I don't know. Does it affect you
1:03:08
Speaker 2: emotionally at all? Watching this shit?
1:03:10
Speaker 1: It one does, And it not only affects me, but
1:03:14
Speaker 1: with running a podcast network, I have to like come
1:03:18
Speaker 1: up with a way to respond and do something like
1:03:22
Speaker 1: especially with police violence, Like it's hard to like, we
1:03:26
Speaker 1: did an episode about the history of the San Diego
1:03:29
Speaker 1: chicken last week. It's hard to like research and record
1:03:32
Speaker 1: and release stuff like that and feel like it matters
1:03:35
Speaker 1: at all. But I know people are still listening, so
1:03:38
Speaker 1: I want to like keep doing the work we do.
1:03:41
Speaker 1: But you also don't want to be silent about stuff
1:03:44
Speaker 1: like this, and like I kind of want to do
1:03:46
Speaker 1: more than talk and more than post on social media
1:03:49
Speaker 1: about it. So it's been a struggle trying to figure
1:03:53
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1:03:57
Speaker 1: think I figured it out. We're doing We're we're giving
1:04:00
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1:04:03
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1:04:10
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Speaker 1: Your hair looks great.
1:05:25
Speaker 2: It looks great. What a day? What a week?
1:05:28
Speaker 1: What a year it has been?
1:05:31
Speaker 2: I know when people text me and they're like, hey,
1:05:33
Speaker 2: what's going on, I'm like, well, some horrible things are
1:05:35
Speaker 2: happening everywhere. I'm trying to process.
1:05:38
Speaker 1: That until the point where I barely even send text
1:05:40
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Speaker 2: I just write help in my own blood backwards in
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1:05:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, all right, we should probably wrap this up.
1:05:54
Speaker 1: Do you have anything to plug?
1:05:56
Speaker 2: Laura? No, I might get a job. I hope I
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Speaker 1: What's Twitch? Yeah? Come on, teach me. Who's got the time.
1:06:32
Speaker 1: All right, let's get the fuck out of here, Laura
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