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Overcoming in the Name of The Lord | Terry James · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Gary Steerman of Prophecy Watchers, and I'd like
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Speaker 2: to spend a little time with you. In fact, I'm
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Speaker 2: seated at our table on stage with an author, with
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Speaker 2: a man who has done a lot of publishing in
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Speaker 2: the Christian world. His name is Terry James, and Terry,
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Speaker 2: welcome to Prophecy Watchers.
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Speaker 3: It's always great to be with you. Gary.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm holding your latest book. It's called Hereafter,
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Speaker 2: and it has a cover that suggests the New Jerusalem,
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Speaker 2: and it suggests things that we can barely imagine. Although
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Speaker 2: the Bible is full of the most wonderful visions and
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Speaker 2: the most wonderful predictions, and we all from time to
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Speaker 2: time think about what it's going to be like when
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Speaker 2: we get to heaven. I don't know a Bible believing
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Speaker 2: Christian who doesn't think about that. In fact, that they
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Speaker 2: think about the rapture of the Church. They think about
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Speaker 2: all the things that are happening in the world today
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Speaker 2: that point us in the direction of Christ's near approach.
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Speaker 2: We can just almost hear the trumpet sound right.
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Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you're putting together these books. Hereafter is
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Speaker 2: a collection by the way of writers, and I'd like
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Speaker 2: to begin by talking about what you do. Because you've
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Speaker 2: got a handicap that a lot of people would stop
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Speaker 2: a lot of people, and it hasn't stopped you in
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Speaker 2: the least.
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Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that, gury, and that's because you know,
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Speaker 1: God has been the one to bring me along, and
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Speaker 1: he's been brought me along through some hard times. Sometimes,
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Speaker 1: you know, we make mistakes growing up. I was a
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Speaker 1: very save as a very young child in them and
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Speaker 1: had a lot of bumps and fall downs and gets
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Speaker 1: up along get ups along the way. But in relation
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Speaker 1: to what we're talking about here, I was in public
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Speaker 1: relations and advertising for years. I was the senior public
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Speaker 1: relations director for a couple of major life asturch companies
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Speaker 1: and that sort of thing, and creative director earlier than
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Speaker 1: that for advertising agencies so forth. Well, God obviously he
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Speaker 1: chose decided I was going to get out of that
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Speaker 1: and he wanted me to do some other things. So
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Speaker 1: this was following my extint in the Air Force for
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Speaker 1: four years way back when I was a young man,
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Speaker 1: and then the advertising public relations career, and then I
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Speaker 1: started having visual problems. I cite problems, and it turned
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Speaker 1: out to be what we call written not as pigmentosa.
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Speaker 1: Some people recognize that it's a big word, but it
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Speaker 1: just means that the rodgers and the cones in the
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Speaker 1: eye degenerates, deteriorates, and eventually the person goes blind. Well.
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Speaker 1: I was diagnosed at about thirty five in nineteen seventy seven,
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Speaker 1: and I kept my eyesight, my centralized sight, which is
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Speaker 1: unusual for that malady, until about night sometime in nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety four. So I was fifty one years old basically
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Speaker 1: when my eyes went completely out on me. Now, meantime,
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Speaker 1: I had been working on a few books of a
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Speaker 1: sort of most of mostly fiction, one called Jacob's Trouble
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Speaker 1: six sixty six, which.
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Speaker 3: Was a novel.
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Speaker 1: But as I was one night, early in the morning,
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Speaker 1: i'd say two or three in the morning, I was
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Speaker 1: walking the halls of our home, and I believe God
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Speaker 1: just said it in my ear in a spiritual way,
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Speaker 1: of course, not in a vaudible voice. You need to
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Speaker 1: get together some top prophecy people and people that you
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Speaker 1: know of, Dave Brees and Dave Hunt and Tim Lahay
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Speaker 1: and some others and you need to put together a
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Speaker 1: book of what we now call compilation, where each one
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Speaker 1: writes chapters. And I thought, well, that that that's a
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Speaker 1: great idea. Well, I called old doctor Charles Taylor out
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Speaker 1: in California. He's kind of a he's kind of a
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Speaker 1: strange guy, but he was an older guy. He had
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Speaker 1: he had a prophecy program. I listened to him sometime
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Speaker 1: on the weekend and he said, well, I'll be willing
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Speaker 1: to write a chapter for you, but indeed, you'll never
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Speaker 1: get these guys together.
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you that.
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Speaker 1: Well, the first guy I contacted was I believe it
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Speaker 1: was Tim LaHaye. I believe it was him, and he
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Speaker 1: said sure, I'll do it, and Dave Brees was next,
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Speaker 1: and from that has spawned Well, I've done forty seven books,
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Speaker 1: and many of them have been that nature. And that
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Speaker 1: all sparked from that one I believe epiphany I had
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Speaker 1: that evening as I was walking through. So so that's
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Speaker 1: how the books began.
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Speaker 2: Well, Terry, I'll just I just have to cut in
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Speaker 2: here for a second, because when you mentioned Tim la Hay,
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Speaker 2: we all think of one thing when we think of
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Speaker 2: Tim Lahay, and that's a raptor of the church. You know,
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Speaker 2: he I think went further in his day to popularize
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Speaker 2: the concept of the raptor of the church and just
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Speaker 2: about anybody, right.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, that Left Behind series.
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Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, well that was certainly one of them. So
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Speaker 2: that's the start of your story. And you began to
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Speaker 2: put out books. How many have you put out up
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Speaker 2: to this time? I believe this is this Hereafter book
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Speaker 2: is number forty seven.
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Speaker 3: I think now.
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Speaker 1: The reason I know that I'm not a I'm not
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Speaker 1: a man of a great willing to count my number
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Speaker 1: of books. Believe me, I'm not an egotist. Egotist, I
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Speaker 1: don't think, but everybody asked me that all the time.
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Speaker 1: So I finally counted them forty seven.
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Speaker 2: I think, well, this book Hereafter, and I'd like to
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Speaker 2: go a little bit more into Terry James in a moment,
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Speaker 2: but let's de tour you to the book Hereafter. It's
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Speaker 2: got this beautiful picture of what we can expect, you know,
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Speaker 2: when we're lifted up into the regime, into the realm
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Speaker 2: of heaven. And we all think about that from time
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Speaker 2: to time. This book as a series of essays, as
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Speaker 2: do all of your books, and these essays are sort
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Speaker 2: of clustered around the idea of the glory of heaven
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Speaker 2: that is to come. And I call this book and
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Speaker 2: by the way, I've read the book and to me
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Speaker 2: it is the ultimate in comforting thoughts. This book is
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Speaker 2: just full of ideas and of scripture, but they're all
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Speaker 2: lines sort of in one direction, and that is to
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Speaker 2: comfort the reader. And when you finish this book, you
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Speaker 2: just sort of settle back in your chair and say, Wow,
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Speaker 2: that's going to be great. I can't wait.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's the kind of creation. Jonathan BRender, my co author,
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Speaker 1: and I wanted to make the impression we wanted to
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Speaker 1: give that heaven is a wonderful thing. Jonathan came up
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Speaker 1: with I came up with the title hereafter thinking about
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Speaker 1: Paul Harvey and his ads long time ago on radio,
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Speaker 1: and he said, you know, if you want to if
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Speaker 1: you want to keep your pearly whites from here to
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Speaker 1: here after, then you want to use my toothpaste. So
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Speaker 1: I thought, what a great title that would be for
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Speaker 1: a book, And of course Jonathan came up with Hereafter
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Speaker 1: was the title I came up with, and Jonathan Brenner
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Speaker 1: came up with the title It's far better than you
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Speaker 1: can imagine. And that's why that's the impression we wanted
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Speaker 1: to leave people with. You've thought about heaven, but it's
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Speaker 1: far better than anything you could have conjured up in
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Speaker 1: your mind.
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Speaker 2: So you started and about when did you publish your
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Speaker 2: first book?
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Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety two, that was my first And.
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Speaker 2: From then until now, you've been putting putting books together.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, I think I've probably read them all,
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Speaker 2: and I didn't know that there were forty seven of them.
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Speaker 3: I knew you were. You written for some of them. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: that's right, and.
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Speaker 2: You I think you do more to comfort the believer
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Speaker 2: than just about any other author around. That seems to
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Speaker 2: be the thing that you were called to do.
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Speaker 3: Well. I appreciate that, Gary.
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Speaker 1: And if God is using me in that way and
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Speaker 1: that's the perception, well I'll take it. But it's his
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Speaker 1: glory and his honor, and people should be comforted to
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Speaker 1: know that our God is in control.
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Speaker 2: Of all the time. Now let's talk again about Terry James.
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Speaker 2: Let's pick up the story you started on your first book,
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Speaker 2: and that took you on a pathway down to the present.
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Speaker 2: And one of the things you recall about getting started
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Speaker 2: in publishing and contacting other Christians and and tell us
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Speaker 2: where the Lord took you and how you followed his lead.
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Speaker 1: Well, I just eat each book. It's just almost if
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Speaker 1: you want to call it the like magic. Of course,
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Speaker 1: we know there's no such thing as a magic in
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Speaker 1: the demonic sense. But I'm talking about as far as
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Speaker 1: the spiritual end of things. God has always put in
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Speaker 1: my heart a book he wants me to do. The
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Speaker 1: title title always comes first for some reason, in the
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Speaker 1: subtitle second. And then I start thinking about who would
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Speaker 1: be good for writing chapters, you know, if I if
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Speaker 1: I do the books of compilation. Of course, I've done
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Speaker 1: a lot of books on my own, and I've even
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Speaker 1: written some fiction along the way.
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Speaker 3: But in the books of compilation.
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Speaker 1: Like I would be thinking, you know, I'd pray the Lord,
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Speaker 1: or who do you want me to who would you
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Speaker 1: like for me to invite into this book? And what
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Speaker 1: are their strengths and so forth, And I hear the
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Speaker 1: name in my spiritual mind and guys like Gary Steerman,
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Speaker 1: and then I just simply contact you. And then most
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Speaker 1: always unless unless like you have been busy a lot,
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Speaker 1: and many of the others have been busy a lot.
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Speaker 1: So in most cases though that you're available and ready
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Speaker 1: to write something in a book like this. And so
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Speaker 1: that's basically the way God has led me through each
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Speaker 1: of these books of compilation. And I've done books with
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Speaker 1: a number of different publishers, and He's always led me
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Speaker 1: to the right publisher I did. I did five or
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Speaker 1: six books with New Leaf Press, five or six books
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Speaker 1: with Harvest Howse and Defender Publishing and Starburst Publishers, various ones,
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Speaker 1: and always it's been under God's direction. I've tried to
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Speaker 1: always make it under God's direction because if we stray
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Speaker 1: from what He wants us to do. A lot of
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Speaker 1: times I've gone down, you know, the wrong path. You
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Speaker 1: want to go a certain way, and the Lord says, no,
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Speaker 1: I don't want you to go that way, and he
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Speaker 1: shows you how and directs you into the direction wants
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Speaker 1: you to go. And that's happened a number of time
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Speaker 1: throughout my writing career.
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Speaker 2: You know, as you open this book up, the first
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Speaker 2: thing you find is a contribution by Nathan Jones of
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Speaker 2: Lamb and Lion Ministries, and he tells a story to
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Speaker 2: start this book off. And I thought that I would
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Speaker 2: start with that story because it's the modern dilemma I
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Speaker 2: think that we all face. He talks about going into
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Speaker 2: a barber shop. By the way, it's very well and
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Speaker 2: cleverly written. He goes into a barber shop to get
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Speaker 2: a haircut, and he sits down in the chair, and
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Speaker 2: the haircut begins, and the barber asks him, what do
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Speaker 2: you do? Well, that started off a whole street of converse.
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Speaker 2: I guess the can of worms is a pretty good expression,
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Speaker 2: because the barber was not ready for the answer, and
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Speaker 2: the answer was, well, I'm in a Christian ministry. And
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Speaker 2: at that point Nathan says, all ears were on him
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Speaker 2: in the whole barbershop. And he said that the barber,
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Speaker 2: who happened to be a woman, turned a little bit red,
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Speaker 2: and it looked to him like she really didn't want
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Speaker 2: to talk about Christianity.
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Speaker 1: Turning around and and.
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Speaker 2: You know that presents the common dilemma. You know, you
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Speaker 2: really want to go around and tell everybody what you
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Speaker 2: know about the Lord Jesus Christ, about the prophetic Plan,
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Speaker 2: the Plan of Salvation, the finished work of Christ. You
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Speaker 2: want to tell people about this, but you have the
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Speaker 2: same reaction that Nathan describes here in your book, which
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Speaker 2: is everybody looks the other way clears their throam, buries
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Speaker 2: their head, and a face in a magazine, whatever it
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Speaker 2: happens to be. And everybody is embarrassed by this disclosure.
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Speaker 2: And and that's the way you start the book, which
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Speaker 2: I think is a very clever way to begin the
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Speaker 2: dialogue that comes after that.
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Speaker 1: Nathan wrote up for a word, and he did an
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Speaker 1: actually job of introducing us to all of this, and
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Speaker 1: certainly the young woman was I was not very happy
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Speaker 1: with him, and either most of the people finally faded
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Speaker 1: away from the said, oh, it was left with him.
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Speaker 1: And so they didn't want to discuss Bible, prophecy or Christianity,
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Speaker 1: which you said, but you know, that's that's the world.
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Speaker 2: Well, it is sad because we have a story to tell.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, at Prophecy Watchers and in your ministry,
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Speaker 2: I think we have more to talk about today than
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Speaker 2: we ever have had. Given the condition of the world.
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Speaker 2: We are glory bound. That's chapter two in your book,
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Speaker 2: by the way, and that's the title of it. And
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Speaker 2: yet if you look at the world, you watch television news,
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Speaker 2: you listen to the radio, you watch politics in Washington,
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Speaker 2: the Middle East, Russia, Ukraine, and you get this feeling
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Speaker 2: in the pit of your stomach like I don't like
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Speaker 2: this even a little bit. And then you look at
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Speaker 2: the economy and after a while you sort of get
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Speaker 2: bound up in the thought that I'm going to be
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Speaker 2: caught in a whirlwind here before very long. Things are
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Speaker 2: not looking very good. And that's where we come in, Terry,
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Speaker 2: I think, and I use you as an example, because
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Speaker 2: you've faced a lot of challenges in your day. You've
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Speaker 2: lost your sight, you've experienced a heart attack in a hospital,
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Speaker 2: and bounce back from that and continue your work and
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Speaker 2: bringing this wonderful message that you bring, a message of hope, inspiration,
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Speaker 2: a message of goodwill, and in a world that everybody
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Speaker 2: agrees is just falling apart, this is very very timely.
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Speaker 3: Well, thank you.
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Speaker 1: And you know what, you see all these things falling apart,
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Speaker 1: like you say, Jan Markel says, you know, everything's not
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Speaker 1: falling apart, it's all falling together.
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Speaker 3: I agree with him. Uh.
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Speaker 1: You know, you see all these things you just mentioned,
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Speaker 1: these tremendous things that puts us all in a mood
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Speaker 1: of well, are we going to end up in goolag somewhere,
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Speaker 1: you know, or something? And and but we remember what
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Speaker 1: Jesus said, what did he say, when you see all
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Speaker 1: these things, what begin to come to pass? Yeah, we've
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Speaker 1: been watching that for some time. I haven't way all
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Speaker 1: these things, I meaning, all of these signals that the
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Speaker 1: end is near.
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Speaker 3: And he said, what do well, what do we do?
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Speaker 1: Then? We look up, lift up our head for our
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Speaker 1: redemption draws near. On propsy watcher, you always keep watching,
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Speaker 1: we are and that's that you're looking up and and
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Speaker 1: so that's that's what Jesus said. Now, yeah, I have
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Speaker 1: gone through quite a few things. I could talk about
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Speaker 1: that if you want to about the heart attack itself
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Speaker 1: is a very uplifting I think to most people here.
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Speaker 2: You know, as I'm looking here at chapter two, Glory Bound,
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Speaker 2: and it begins during the early decades of the twentieth
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Speaker 2: century of the song this train is bound for Glory
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Speaker 2: became a popular gospel tune and was later recorded by
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Speaker 2: a lot of talented singers like Johnny Cash. And you know,
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Speaker 2: that's the Christian spirit. And I think we all need
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Speaker 2: to remind each other of generations past, and generations past
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Speaker 2: have endured wars, depressions, terrible setbacks of all sorts. And
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Speaker 2: yet if you want to find joy in this world.
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Speaker 2: Where do you look. You look in the Church of
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Speaker 2: the Lord Jesus Christ, and that's where you're going to
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Speaker 2: find joy.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, speaking of the old songs like I'll
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Speaker 1: fly away, you know that's that's another one that's h
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Speaker 1: and you look to God for that, because only we
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Speaker 1: want to fly away off this planet in any kind
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Speaker 1: of any sense of heavenly bliss, as is in the
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Speaker 1: rapture of the church, or when we go through that
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Speaker 1: portal of death, which which that's instantaneous as I can test,
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Speaker 1: is to be absent from the bodies, to be present
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Speaker 1: with the Lord, Paul said, And so Christians have a
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Speaker 1: glorious future despite all of the darkness that appears all
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Speaker 1: around us.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, your mention of absence from the body, present with
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Speaker 2: the Lord brings up the point that I wanted to
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Speaker 2: pursue with you. And and before we sat down here together,
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Speaker 2: you reminded me of the fact that losing your vision
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Speaker 2: is not the only problem you've ever had. You had
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Speaker 2: a heart attack and it was a very serious heart attack.
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Speaker 2: But a lot of people who know you have heard
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Speaker 2: the backstory that goes with that heart attack. And I
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Speaker 2: think i'd like for you to tell it because it
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Speaker 2: is so uplifting. It's so amazing what you went through.
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Speaker 2: I think the Lord allowed you to go through that,
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Speaker 2: and he did, yeah, just to give you, I think
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Speaker 2: the spirit of things to come.
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Speaker 1: He bought me through it to tell tell people right
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Speaker 1: and like we're doing right now, Gary, to thank you
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Speaker 1: for the opportunity. That's why one reason I'm back is
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Speaker 1: to tell the story about this, so we will uplift
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Speaker 1: the hearts of people and they'll know that all this.
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Speaker 3: Race we're running is not in vain. And let me
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Speaker 3: tell you I was.
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Speaker 1: I'm a big workout guy and I have since I'm
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Speaker 1: eighty one now, since about nineteen seventy nine. I've been
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Speaker 1: working out regularly since I last mind basically, uh And
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Speaker 1: so you know, I didn't expect any health problems and
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Speaker 1: didn't have any accept the blindness, and that's a real
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Speaker 1: herodity problem or aridity retinal disease. And so I was
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Speaker 1: out working out one day and I started getting indigestion
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Speaker 1: real bad, and I started having trouble a little trouble breathing,
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Speaker 1: and I started kind of getting sweaty, and so I
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Speaker 1: came in and I sat down in my big recliner
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Speaker 1: and my wife was over there, and I said, you
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Speaker 1: better call nine one one because there's something wrong here.
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Speaker 1: I can't breathe and I have pain in my chest.
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Speaker 1: So she usually would question me because I'm I don't
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Speaker 1: like to go to doctors, and but she called immediately
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Speaker 1: and they were out there. The EMTs were out there
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Speaker 1: almost within just minutes, and they were feeling my arm
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Speaker 1: for my pulse and my neck and they said, both
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Speaker 1: of them said we can't find any pulse. Let's get
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Speaker 1: him to the hospital. So they asked me Gary if
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Speaker 1: if I could walk to the gurney which was outside
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Speaker 1: the house, because with the furniture and stuff would be
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Speaker 1: too clutter to bring it in. And so somehow, without
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Speaker 1: a pulse, I managed to go to the gurney and
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Speaker 1: I got on it and they took me and as
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Speaker 1: they were pulling them out of the back of the
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Speaker 1: van of the hospital. We have a little hospital, Selene
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Speaker 1: Memorial in Benton, Arkansas, which is a town of about
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Speaker 1: thirty thousand, small hospital, and they pulled me out. As
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Speaker 1: they pulled me out of the gurney the back of
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Speaker 1: the gurney, I heard this blip. It was like a
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Speaker 1: computer blip. You might hear blip like that, And all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, I was in front of this huge
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Speaker 1: throng of beautiful young women and handsome young men. They
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Speaker 1: were tall and beautiful, look like they were in their
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Speaker 1: twenties and the mid twenties. Maybe they were jubilant. They
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Speaker 1: were jumping up and down. They had their hands in
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Speaker 1: the air like a victory. They were smiling, and they
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Speaker 1: were bidding me with their hands to come, come to us,
20:47
Speaker 1: Come here. So I started toward them. And here I
20:50
Speaker 1: am a blind guy. I see all this splendorous young people.
20:54
Speaker 1: And I can't give you details of background because I
20:56
Speaker 1: could just couldn't take my eyes off their faces and
20:59
Speaker 1: how wonderful and jubilant they were. And I started toward them,
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Speaker 1: and everything started going black. Of course I'm dark again.
21:08
Speaker 1: I'm blind, as you know. And I was on the gurney.
21:11
Speaker 1: They were pulling me toward the hospital cath lab. They
21:15
Speaker 1: had told my wife, Margaret, They told her that I
21:17
Speaker 1: was dead on arrival, and and but that they had
21:21
Speaker 1: managed to hit me with the paddles, and now I
21:23
Speaker 1: was on my way to the cath lab. Well, it
21:25
Speaker 1: happened again. The same blip and everything computer blip, and
21:28
Speaker 1: again I was in front of those young people. They
21:30
Speaker 1: were bidding me to come to them, to let me
21:32
Speaker 1: just stop you hear and clarify something. The first time
21:36
Speaker 1: you saw these young people, it was funny. You were
21:38
Speaker 1: on your way to the hospital, right. No. No. As
21:41
Speaker 1: they pulled me out of the back of the gurney,
21:43
Speaker 1: I'm out of the back of the van. That's when
21:45
Speaker 1: I heard the blip. And then all of a sudden
21:47
Speaker 1: I was in front of them.
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Speaker 2: And the second time you saw, I was on my
21:50
Speaker 2: way to the cath lab on the gurney, okay, and
21:53
Speaker 2: the guys had hit me.
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Speaker 3: The guy told me.
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Speaker 1: I asked him when the first time I asked him, Well,
21:57
Speaker 1: he said I had to hit him with the paddles.
21:59
Speaker 1: Of course, I said what he said, the defib paddles
22:01
Speaker 1: and your heart stopped. So the second time it happened
22:04
Speaker 1: on the way to the cat lab. And then as
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Speaker 1: they were working on me, the doctors were getting ready
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Speaker 1: to work on me. Put the put the stint in.
22:11
Speaker 1: They knew that through the growing area. And as they
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Speaker 1: were starting, I asked, I remember asking. I said, what
22:19
Speaker 1: are you doing? He said, we're trying. He's trying to
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Speaker 1: save your life, somebody said, So I set up. Then
22:24
Speaker 1: I said, okay, I'll shut up.
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Speaker 3: And then uh so.
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Speaker 1: Again I heard the blip and the pain in the
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Speaker 1: chest and the blip, and I was again with it.
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Speaker 1: This time I was with this young group of young people,
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Speaker 1: all of them. They were a big throng of them,
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Speaker 1: young people in their mid twenties. And they were jewbilant,
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Speaker 1: and they had their hands in the air and we
22:43
Speaker 1: were running, we were like gliding, like a victory lap.
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Speaker 3: It's like a victory lab.
22:47
Speaker 1: And they were looking over at me, and this one
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Speaker 1: young woman looking at me like she said, right next
22:52
Speaker 1: to me, she's looking into my eyes. I could She
22:53
Speaker 1: didn't say anything, but I knew what she was saying,
22:55
Speaker 1: isn't just the most wonderful thing you've ever experienced? And
22:59
Speaker 1: I was saying to myself, I sure is, and I
23:01
Speaker 1: don't want to leave this time. But everything started turning
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Speaker 1: dark again, and I was on the cath lab and
23:08
Speaker 1: they had put the stint in. It was a widow
23:11
Speaker 1: maker heart attack. They said it was the most it
23:14
Speaker 1: was the most extensive widow heart attack that they'd ever seen.
23:17
Speaker 1: And uh, and that of anybody who lived and my
23:22
Speaker 1: heart stopping three they said, four times a record show.
23:25
Speaker 1: But the fact is that they were so impressed with
23:29
Speaker 1: my recovery from this that they gave me the patient
23:33
Speaker 1: the Cardiac Patient of the Year award, and the cardiologists
23:37
Speaker 1: did and uh, and that's it's a little trophy that's
23:41
Speaker 1: on my office in the corner of my office right now.
23:44
Speaker 1: It's a little trophy as if I did something. All
23:47
Speaker 1: I did was God sent me back. Not only that,
23:50
Speaker 1: but the Cardiology Association invited me to speak to their
23:55
Speaker 1: their convention and here I am. You know, for give
23:59
Speaker 1: me fifteen to twenty minutes to speak, And so I
24:04
Speaker 1: spoke for about twenty minutes. I guess who I told
24:06
Speaker 1: him about? Gary. I told him about Jesus and I said,
24:10
Speaker 1: I said, I said, I appreciate everything you did, and
24:13
Speaker 1: God gave you this great, great skill and great intelligence acumen.
24:19
Speaker 1: But I tell you who brought me back here with
24:22
Speaker 1: your help. And I said, Lord Jesus Christ. And I
24:24
Speaker 1: told him he's my savior, why he came into the world.
24:27
Speaker 1: Very briefly. I didn't preach at him, but I did
24:30
Speaker 1: tell him the plan of salvation very briefly. My little
24:33
Speaker 1: daughter close editor in. She took me up there and
24:37
Speaker 1: she would tell you exactly what I told him. And
24:41
Speaker 1: so they gave me the Cardiac Patient.
24:44
Speaker 3: Of the Year award.
24:44
Speaker 1: And they all applauded when I when I finished. So none, no,
24:48
Speaker 1: none was offended. I don't think you know.
24:50
Speaker 2: We've often heard stories like this, and we've read about
24:54
Speaker 2: them from time time there in the newspaper. So and
24:57
Speaker 2: so have you passed out or died momentarily, and they
25:02
Speaker 2: come back with wonderful stories. Yours is a very uplifting story.
25:06
Speaker 2: And I'll have to ask you who were these people?
25:09
Speaker 2: In your opinion, who were these young people?
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Speaker 1: As the cloud of witnesses Hebrews, Chapter twelve, verses one
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Speaker 1: through three. I know the question about it in my mind.
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Speaker 1: We are gathered about by such a great cloud of witnesses,
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Speaker 1: that's who they were. And we were guess where we
25:24
Speaker 1: were running. We were running toward the throne to finish
25:27
Speaker 1: the race of life. That's what we're told in Hebrews.
25:30
Speaker 1: You know, we run the race to finish the finish
25:33
Speaker 1: our race. It's the high calling of Christ, and that's
25:36
Speaker 1: where we were headed. But the Lord wanted me to
25:39
Speaker 1: show come back and tell people this. He wasn't ready
25:42
Speaker 1: for me to have finished that race. Yet I'm still
25:45
Speaker 1: running it. You're still running the race, and I'm going
25:47
Speaker 1: to like you do, Gary, I'm going to run it
25:50
Speaker 1: as long as God gives me breath to do so.
25:53
Speaker 3: And like you, I'm holding out for the rapture.
25:57
Speaker 2: Amen. You know, as you're talking, I was looking for
25:59
Speaker 2: a Thessalonians five four, which says, but you, brethren, are
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Speaker 2: not in darkness, that day should overtake you as a thief.
26:12
Speaker 2: That's a wonderful statement. You're not in darkness. Now what
26:16
Speaker 2: is that day? That day is coming. It's called the
26:18
Speaker 2: Day of the Lord. In some place it's called the
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Speaker 2: Great and Terrible Day of the Lord. H comment on that,
26:25
Speaker 2: if you will your worldview. I think you you're very
26:29
Speaker 2: conscious of what's going on. You watch the news very carefully.
26:33
Speaker 2: I use the term watch even though you are uncited.
26:37
Speaker 3: You do.
26:38
Speaker 2: I think you are one of the best watchers.
26:40
Speaker 3: I have more attention, pay more attention because of that. Probably.
26:44
Speaker 1: I have a Jaws program job successful word system, and
26:47
Speaker 1: it reads a word sentences and it reads to me
26:50
Speaker 1: every every syllable, you know, everything that's that comes to me,
26:56
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think about I think about that all
26:58
Speaker 1: the time.
26:58
Speaker 3: Now.
26:59
Speaker 1: I run an arkle along Ago Gary. I write for
27:01
Speaker 1: raptuaty dot com. That's mine, Todd Frendberg's, and tell you
27:05
Speaker 1: how we are. We're raptuready and we want everybody else
27:07
Speaker 1: to be and that means being Jesus Christ. So Rapturetti
27:10
Speaker 1: is my website, and I wrote I write two articles
27:17
Speaker 1: a week, one for that, one for my blog, and
27:19
Speaker 1: of course they're postioned on both. And one thing I
27:22
Speaker 1: wrote the other day that really impressed me to write
27:25
Speaker 1: was guess who. I think the title of it was
27:28
Speaker 1: Guess who believes in the Rapture? I think it was
27:30
Speaker 1: something along those lines, and guess who it is. It's Satan.
27:36
Speaker 1: Satan knows the Rapture's coming. He has no doubt of it.
27:38
Speaker 1: He is preparing, He is stage setting for so his
27:43
Speaker 1: man can come on the scene and take take full
27:46
Speaker 1: advantage of the moment it does. Because Satan knows that
27:48
Speaker 1: his days and his time is very short already, he
27:52
Speaker 1: someway in his somehow, in his convoluted, rep totally reprobate mind,
27:57
Speaker 1: he still thinks he can win, despite knowing the fact
27:59
Speaker 1: that God cannot lie. He says that he's going to
28:02
Speaker 1: end up in the lake of fire. He still believes
28:05
Speaker 1: he can win, I think because he's insane. But the
28:10
Speaker 1: fact is that he is. He is stage setting, He's
28:14
Speaker 1: got it. We see all these things happening, all these
28:16
Speaker 1: things against Israel, all these things, well, that's exactly what
28:19
Speaker 1: God's word says, and prophecy is.
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Speaker 3: Going to happen.
28:21
Speaker 1: All these things that we see happening, the one world
28:24
Speaker 1: order coming together, the hate, total hatred for Israel is
28:29
Speaker 1: Zachari chapter twelve tells us, and how they will eventually
28:32
Speaker 1: be h be totally hated again, and even worse Jesus
28:36
Speaker 1: said than in the Holocaust, would be the worst ever.
28:38
Speaker 1: So we see all these developments, we see we see
28:40
Speaker 1: the days like we've talked before about the previous book.
28:43
Speaker 1: Here the day it's like the days of a lot.
28:46
Speaker 1: We see that happening. We see Solomon Moore type activity
28:49
Speaker 1: everywhere we look. And then again you mentioned the economy,
28:53
Speaker 1: of course, the world economy where a digital dollar is
28:56
Speaker 1: on the way in order to control buying and selling.
28:59
Speaker 1: That since after thirteen revelation, by the way, the Antichrist,
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Speaker 1: I think, will have something to do with the outcome
29:06
Speaker 1: of that digital dollar. Uh.
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Speaker 2: You know, the Bible talks about the control of buying
29:13
Speaker 2: and selling is a very very big deal when you
29:16
Speaker 2: get at the Book of Revelation and the Antichrist is described.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want you if you will, I'm not
29:22
Speaker 1: directing your shouggud, You're dirinking your own show. But you know,
29:25
Speaker 1: we mentioned previously when we were talking just before the
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Speaker 1: program starting everything about UFOs and what possibility that I
29:33
Speaker 1: might have with regard to stage setting for the coming
29:35
Speaker 1: tribulation and which I believe against Satan is preparing.
29:39
Speaker 3: The world for.
29:39
Speaker 1: And you know more about that than anybody. I was
29:42
Speaker 1: wondering if you might want to tell something about that.
29:45
Speaker 2: Well, I think that what are called UFOs or UAPs
29:49
Speaker 2: are spiritual in nature and demonic in nature, and of
29:54
Speaker 2: course if you look at what they do. And our friend,
29:57
Speaker 2: for example, La Marzouli, has written book, books, DVD's about
30:02
Speaker 2: documenting the whole UFO UAP world and one can only
30:11
Speaker 2: come to one conclusion after watching his work, and that
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Speaker 2: is that Satan is alive. He is well, He is
30:17
Speaker 2: active in our atmosphere day and night, and all those
30:23
Speaker 2: abductions are I think preliminary to the great Tribulation which
30:29
Speaker 2: is to come. He's preparing for the tribulation by attempting
30:34
Speaker 2: on the dark side to subvert people. And that subversion
30:39
Speaker 2: includes strange ships that fly in the night and called UFOs.
30:44
Speaker 2: But hey, to me, they are just the demonic hordes
30:49
Speaker 2: at work among us. And that's my explanation. You know,
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Speaker 2: I read a verse a minute ago in the Bible.
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Speaker 2: That's first Thessalonians five to three and uh uh and
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Speaker 2: four and the next verse after that five I think
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Speaker 2: it fits right where we are in this conversation. It says,
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Speaker 2: you are all children of light and children of the day.
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Speaker 2: We are not of the night nor of darkness. You know,
31:22
Speaker 2: you mentioned the whole UFO phenomenon, that that that's a
31:26
Speaker 2: kind of a dark subject. And guess what it takes
31:30
Speaker 2: place at night? All those UFO abductions, you know, are
31:34
Speaker 2: done surreptitiously. But the Bible says, hey, you are not
31:39
Speaker 2: children of darkness. You're children of light. And I like,
31:43
Speaker 2: I kind of like to offset any kind of a
31:45
Speaker 2: conversation that has to do with with the devil with
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Speaker 2: that thought, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And the fact is when all this
31:54
Speaker 1: shows us, the UFOs and all the other things we
31:56
Speaker 1: talked about, it shows us one thing, and the rapture
31:59
Speaker 1: must be to be very near. Indeed, for Satan to
32:02
Speaker 1: be so active as he is, and we see all
32:04
Speaker 1: these things developing, the rapture of the Church of Believers,
32:07
Speaker 1: the Bride of Christ must be very close.
32:09
Speaker 2: Indeed, you know the book that you assemble, and here
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Speaker 2: the copy I'm looking at shows this wonderful picture of
32:18
Speaker 2: the new Jerusalem and the title Hereafter, Hereafter. The Hereafter
32:25
Speaker 2: from our perspective, is a wonderful thing to talk about.
32:31
Speaker 2: And I'm enjoying talking with you right now because we're
32:34
Speaker 2: talking about not the dark side we've mentioned. But quickly
32:39
Speaker 2: we have to come right back to the subject, which
32:42
Speaker 2: is our future is not dark at all. We can
32:44
Speaker 2: have great confidence. You look at the world and you
32:48
Speaker 2: mentioned the economy. You mentioned there are zones of war,
32:53
Speaker 2: there are dictatorships rising all over the world, and you
32:57
Speaker 2: come back to that statement, you are all children of light,
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Speaker 2: and I'd like to focus on that, and I think
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Speaker 2: your book Hereafter focuses on that topic.
33:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are children of light, and that's a read.
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Speaker 1: It is so important Bible prophecy, and I wish more
33:14
Speaker 1: pastors in the pulpit would teach Bible prophecy because it
33:18
Speaker 1: is not gloom and doom. The final analysis that Christ
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Speaker 1: is in complete control and he's coming back again soon
33:24
Speaker 1: to make all things right. And so that's great light.
33:28
Speaker 1: That's not darkness or gloom or doom. That's a promise
33:31
Speaker 1: directly from God. And I think it's just the more
33:35
Speaker 1: we see developing on the dark side, well, the more
33:37
Speaker 1: we know that the light is about to break through
33:40
Speaker 1: that darkness, and that light's going to be Jesus Christ
33:43
Speaker 1: when he returns to make all things right. And if
33:46
Speaker 1: you're a believer, you'll be with him. If you believe
33:49
Speaker 1: Christ died for your sins and you accept that, you'll
33:52
Speaker 1: be part of that return and part of re enlightening
33:56
Speaker 1: the world.
33:57
Speaker 2: You know, one of the chapters in the book, chapter ten,
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Speaker 2: is entitled Israel's Return to Glory. Now, I wanted to
34:07
Speaker 2: bring up that topic with you because right now Israel
34:11
Speaker 2: is experiencing another horror, yet another horror, and the history
34:19
Speaker 2: of Israel is dark indeed, and yet Israel is a
34:26
Speaker 2: nation after God's own heart, and we know that God
34:30
Speaker 2: is going to bring Israel to supremacy at a certain
34:36
Speaker 2: point in the world history yet to come, and yet
34:43
Speaker 2: Israel is going through yet another moment of tribulation. Your
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Speaker 2: chapter ten here Israel's return to glory, I think is
34:53
Speaker 2: where we should kind of focus our thoughts right now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know we I was in the prophecy conference
35:03
Speaker 1: here in Oklahoma with prophecy watchers when when that October
35:09
Speaker 1: seventh attack, And since that time, it's amazing to me
35:14
Speaker 1: that all the atrocities that went on, the most terrible
35:16
Speaker 1: atrocities that you can imagine, went on against the people
35:21
Speaker 1: who were gathered there. And yet yet the world seems
35:25
Speaker 1: to have turned totally against Israel, and that's because of
35:31
Speaker 1: court Satan's the promise against Satan way back, I think
35:36
Speaker 1: in Genesis chapter three, verse fifteen, w it that God
35:41
Speaker 1: promised that there would be a savior in the world,
35:45
Speaker 1: and chapter three Savior would come in the world and
35:48
Speaker 1: bruce Satan's head. So Satan's ratching up all he can
35:54
Speaker 1: against the people who God chose to bring Jesus into
35:57
Speaker 1: the world as flesh, as only God, but as man.
36:02
Speaker 1: The Jewish people, and Zachariah said that it would come
36:05
Speaker 1: to pass in chapter twelve that they would be of
36:09
Speaker 1: all people that burd some stone and a cup of trembling.
36:13
Speaker 1: But it said that all who burns themselves with it
36:16
Speaker 1: is going to be cut in pieces, and God is
36:19
Speaker 1: going to deal with them. And so the things we
36:22
Speaker 1: see happening now against Israel, and Israel's not perfect by
36:26
Speaker 1: any stretch of imagination, but there's still God's chosen people,
36:29
Speaker 1: and they are ultimately going to be the apex nation
36:33
Speaker 1: of the world in the millennium, and God Jesus is
36:37
Speaker 1: going to rule and reign from Jerusalem, and Israel will
36:41
Speaker 1: be his chosen nation. There the top nation of the
36:44
Speaker 1: world all other nations, some who have been previous enemies,
36:48
Speaker 1: like Egypt, for example. I'm going to say, everyone I
36:52
Speaker 1: find a Jewish person, I'm going to hang on to
36:54
Speaker 1: his coat tail because he knows God's blessing. And so
36:57
Speaker 1: Israel has a great, great, and magnific in the future
37:00
Speaker 1: despite all that's going on against it.
37:03
Speaker 2: You know, it is a difficult thing to contemplate what's
37:08
Speaker 2: happening to Israel right now. And yet Israel is so
37:11
Speaker 2: huge in the Bible, essentially occupies the entire Bible, and
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Speaker 2: Israel is Israel and it's twelve tribes are I should
37:21
Speaker 2: say the model of the way God works with humanity,
37:27
Speaker 2: Israel is not perfect. Israel has been given a great
37:33
Speaker 2: burden down through the ages, and out of Israel came
37:37
Speaker 2: the Messiah and the Lord Jesus Christ. And you think, well,
37:43
Speaker 2: that's things have shifted. Now we're in the New Testament era.
37:47
Speaker 2: It's all over for Israel. Israel sin and shall never
37:52
Speaker 2: return it. You know, a lot of people believe that
37:55
Speaker 2: they believe that is Israel's days are over, and particularly
38:00
Speaker 2: now with people marching in the streets from from the
38:03
Speaker 2: river to the sea, they want Israel to be totally dissolved,
38:09
Speaker 2: and they would like for that country called Palestine to
38:13
Speaker 2: rise to glory. One OF's greatest lies these this very day,
38:18
Speaker 2: is to turn the world against Israel. So as we
38:24
Speaker 2: look at this, and then as we read books like
38:27
Speaker 2: yours entitled hereafter, we're looking at a wonderful resolution. In
38:34
Speaker 2: other words, things are not going as it appears right now.
38:39
Speaker 2: Things are not sinking out of sight into a morass
38:43
Speaker 2: of trouble from which there is no return. Instead, we're
38:48
Speaker 2: looking at a glorious future. And I think your book
38:52
Speaker 2: represents the focus that we should have as Christians.
38:57
Speaker 1: Well, thank you another as our purpose. Jonathan wrote a
39:00
Speaker 1: great deal of this book, and he used to be
39:02
Speaker 1: committed for doing a marvelous job of bringing all these
39:05
Speaker 1: things together. And of course I had my part too.
39:07
Speaker 1: But that's the That is the general note we would
39:13
Speaker 1: like to leave with that. There's great, glorious future head
39:17
Speaker 1: for Christians, and the hereafter is we all believers, you know,
39:22
Speaker 1: except to cross the saviors. So we heard our book
39:26
Speaker 1: appeals to people to accept the Lord.
39:29
Speaker 3: You know.
39:30
Speaker 2: As I was preparing for this talk we're having right now, uh,
39:35
Speaker 2: somebody asked me what's Terry's book about? And they knew
39:41
Speaker 2: that I had had gone through the book, as I
39:43
Speaker 2: always do when I'm talking with with an author. I
39:46
Speaker 2: always go quickly through a book, and I praise the Lord.
39:51
Speaker 2: I have the gift of speed reading because I read
39:55
Speaker 2: a lot of books. Somebody asked me what was What's
39:59
Speaker 2: Terry's book about? And I thought for a minute, I thought, hmm,
40:04
Speaker 2: what is this book about? What it is is a
40:08
Speaker 2: collection of narratives that comfort you. They bring comfort, they
40:16
Speaker 2: bring they take what we have from day to day
40:21
Speaker 2: in this world, which is doubt fear, worry. What in
40:26
Speaker 2: the world's going to happen to our money, What in
40:28
Speaker 2: the world's going to happen to our politics, What in
40:31
Speaker 2: the world is going to happen in the Middle East,
40:33
Speaker 2: What in the world's going to happen in Russia, What's
40:36
Speaker 2: what's going to happen in China? And you know what
40:38
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. You can work yourself into a real
40:44
Speaker 2: ulcer prone situation. And what I said when somebody asked
40:49
Speaker 2: me about this book, what's this book about? I said, Well,
40:53
Speaker 2: let me think it's all about comfort. It comforts me.
40:57
Speaker 2: In fact, as I read through it, I felt better
41:00
Speaker 2: better the farther right away into the book.
41:03
Speaker 3: I appreciate you agree, because that's exactly what we envisioned.
41:06
Speaker 3: We wanted.
41:07
Speaker 1: You know, if I could give one scripture that that summarizes,
41:12
Speaker 1: in at least my opinion, what the book should be.
41:13
Speaker 1: Is what Paul said, I have not seen, nor ear heard,
41:16
Speaker 1: nor had that interview into the heart of man, the
41:19
Speaker 1: things God has prepared for those who love him. And
41:23
Speaker 1: that's exactly the comfort that I hope this book gives.
41:28
Speaker 2: I have to ask, when you told your story about
41:32
Speaker 2: being on that gurney and seeing those those handsome young people.
41:37
Speaker 2: He said, what in there? What in their late twenties,
41:39
Speaker 2: early for.
41:40
Speaker 1: Middle middle I'd say middle twenties, Yeah, people, And how
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Speaker 1: are they dressed, by the way, And that's why I say,
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Speaker 1: you know, I was so focused on the faces. I
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Speaker 1: couldn't get I know there was glorious because everything was
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Speaker 1: shimmering and bright and sparkly, But all I could think
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Speaker 1: in that very brief time each time was was the
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Speaker 1: those faces, those beautiful, wonderful, handsome and beautiful faces. And again,
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Speaker 1: one particular young woman looking over at me. I believe
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Speaker 1: was a person I knew. So you think you'll see
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Speaker 1: her again? Yeah, I believe I knew who she was.
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Speaker 1: I think that there was a lady named Arbora Harmon,
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Speaker 1: Carmen Arbora Carmon. She was ninety five when she died,
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Speaker 1: and she was a friend of mine, and she knew
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Speaker 1: I had written prophecy books. Matter of fact, her two
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Speaker 1: of her prophecy poems in my first two books that
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Speaker 1: I did. And she died at ninety five, and she
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Speaker 1: was losing her eyesight, so we commiserated some. I was
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Speaker 1: already lost mine and she was ninety five. She died
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Speaker 1: and I saw her pictures in some pictures when she
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Speaker 1: was a young woman, very beautiful girl, when she was young.
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Speaker 1: I believe it was miss Carmon. I was looking in
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Speaker 1: Arba Carmon's eyes when she I really believe.
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Speaker 3: That that's that's amazing.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, I don't have the slightest doubt
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Speaker 2: that when we see all of our friends and relatives,
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Speaker 2: when we get to that place, it's going to be
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Speaker 2: just amazing. And I get just a little flavor of
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Speaker 2: it from you. Right now, we've got a couple of
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Speaker 2: minutes left talking to Terry James, who, in spite of setbacks,
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Speaker 2: in spite of a handicap, by the way, it's a
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Speaker 2: handicap that would stop most of us, he keeps right
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Speaker 2: on going and he's looking for that blessed day and
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Speaker 2: he is living in that.
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Speaker 3: We're with that blessed hope.
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Speaker 1: Right, that's right, And through it all, Gury the Lord
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Speaker 1: has put so many wonderful people in my path to
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Speaker 1: see that I could accomplish the thing God wanted me
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Speaker 1: to accomplish. And I know I failed in some instances,
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Speaker 1: but a lot of people, like the man who brought
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Speaker 1: me here today's been in my traveling opinion for a
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Speaker 1: lot a lot of years, Mi Kyle, and he's.
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Speaker 3: One of them.
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Speaker 1: That is just God put him rectors in my path,
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Speaker 1: Ange Won, my daughter editor her. Just tons of people
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Speaker 1: and people of great stature in the prophetic industry like yourself,
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Speaker 1: who and Tim Lahay and others have have chimed in
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Speaker 1: and and so God has directed at all, and so
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Speaker 1: I'm thankful to Him and grateful to you.
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Speaker 2: Well, Terry, Uh, you are truly a prophecy watcher, as
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Speaker 2: are we all here at Prophecy Watchers. I'm a prophecy watcher,
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Speaker 2: and you know, thanks for coming by to I love
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Speaker 2: talking with you, and one of the one of this day,
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Speaker 2: one of these days, we're going to stroll through those
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Speaker 2: wonderful fields that you describe where those young.
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Speaker 1: People were, to introduce you to some of those young people.
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Speaker 3: In a way.
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Speaker 2: I can't wait, although you and I both still have
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Speaker 2: work to do rightly, but thanks for being a prophecy watcher.
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Speaker 3: Hey.
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Speaker 2: You know what I always say when we when we
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Speaker 2: on off is I'm Gary Steerman and right here at
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Speaker 2: Prophecy Watchers we're watching. Will you be watching too,