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- Josh: Ohio State goes down on the road to USC as other top teams like Indiana and Miami end up struggling a little bit and squeezing out without a spooky scare this past week in week nine. A lot of questions are raised in week nine of college football, but we're going to talk about them here on the Game Day Collective College Football Show. As always, I'm joined by Wyatt Zhang, and we've got a lot to talk about because again, another very exciting and very interesting week of college football. But We want to welcome everybody into the show. Make sure to hit that button, hit that subscribe button. This episode is presented by Everyday Dose. Feel your game days with clean energy from mushroom coffee. it's truly something different. It's something that I know Wyatt and I both really enjoy, something that we are excited to be partnered with. That is everyday dose coffee. it's mushroom coffee, it's a cleaner energy. Really makes you feel good. It's it's a true energy, something that's not gonna make you just crash. If you're a coffee lover, I think you'll love it. If you're not a coffee lover, it's something that I think is different enough. Where I think you'll really enjoy it. So go try it out. And you can get ten dollars off by clicking the link down in the description below. That's everydaydose.com/slash GDC. That link is down in the description below. When you use that that link, you'll get ten dollars off your first order. all right, Wyatt, let's get into it. First, starting off, what was your biggest takeaway from week nine? Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Yeah, I I think my biggest takeaway is the fact that there's no dominant team this year. There's no elite team. There's just a bunch of really good. There's a bunch of ten and two. There's gonna be a bunch of eleven and one. Just a bunch of very good football teams. Zero elite teams. You saw Miami be taken to the wire as the number one team in the country. Number two team Ohio State goes down. there's these teams that aren't dominant teams. The AP poll has been up and down. My poll has been up and down. they're Is so much chaos, There's no twenty seventeen Alabama, there's no twenty twenty one Georgia. There is a bunch of parody in college football, which is great for the sport. Who doesn't love to see Utah, UCLA, and Kentucky in the top eight? Like, I think that's great. But my biggest takeaway this week was that there is zero elite team, zero team that you look at and say, They are the championship favorite. I I do not have a single team I can point to and say that about, especially after this week. Josh: Yeah, it makes it really interesting too, because it just you look at the way that the parody is in college football this year and everything's just off the rails. It makes predictions really difficult. We've we've given our predictions every week so far on this show and you know, you on your show, and it's just funny when you look back on your own predictions, like people will trash you after the fact. But it's like, did you call UCLA going undefeated up to this point and possibly having an undefeated season? Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Yes, exactly. Josh: D did did you predict any of these crazy things that have happened? you know, there's just so much going on in college football this week. it seems like every week we keep on having this whole like another crazy week of college football, and we just can't get a break. But that's why we love college football. And I'm excited to talk about some of this stuff in week nine. But let's start off with the national picture. We're gonna get dive through some questions that are raised. Here in going into week ten. who deserves the number one spot for you, why? Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: For me, it's Miami, but I I'm gonna be honest, like I said, there there's no team that deserves the number one spot because no team has played the number one team. you could point to Georgia, but Georgia lost to Auburn. You could point to Miami. Miami played a close game against North Carolina, they played a close game against Florida State. there is zero team in the country that I say that team's the number one team. It is like if if you had Georgia at one, if you had Utah at one, if you had UCLA at one, I'd be like I I get it. it I'm good with me. I have no complaints. there's really no number one team that's just all the way across the board, that's the number one team in the country. For me, it's Miami because they were number one for me for a while. There's a lot of teams that lost, Ohio State lost. So teams that were, threatening to take that spot lost. And Miami is winning. No matter how they're winning, they're winning. So for me, I would say that Miami's number one, but I'm not too confident in it because They play another name this week and that's gonna be a big test for the hurricanes. Josh: Yeah, I'm interested to watch that game too. I'm interested. I'm I'm excited to get in and and preview it. But Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: yeah. Josh: before we get there, yeah, just I agree with you. I think Miami is the one. And and the biggest thing too, it's like Miami deserves number one on a technicality that no one else really deserves it at all. I try to go off of a few things. first of all, your resume has to be there. You've got to have something on the paper that says that you've been a good team. Being undefeated is the first tell that, hey, you've been a good team. You've handled business the way that you should be handling business. Now, they had some scares against Florida State and then this past weekend against North Carolina. So what does that say? I look around the nation and I look at s a team that I would rather put ahead of Miami. And I look at Utah or UCLA, those are the only undefeated teams. And I feel like it's just right to put one of those teams in there. But if you look at it on paper, head to head, who has the better talent? Who do you trust more if it was if the playoffs were to start today to come out ahead? And I think you just lean towards Miami. So that's where I think I agree with you. I like I like Miami at the number one spot right now. I guess with that thought, who would be your top four teams right now here in week ten? Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: I feel like my top four is gonna be different than a lot of people. But when I look at it, it makes sense to me. Like when I put together wins and losses, when I put together tiebreakers, like this top ten makes sense to me. A lot of people might have, you know, things to pick away from it and say, how's this team this high, this team this low? But for me, I I'll go ahead and start at one 'cause it's already obvious who my number one team is. It's Miami. like I said, they're They're the team that's surviving in a world of college football where it's tough to survive and be undefeated. They're undefeated. So they're at one. Two is Utah for me. They are what seven and eight and They're playing great football. Utah is one of the best teams in the country, especially the way that they look. they're not just resume wise, but the way they look. Their offense is incredible. They have a great offense. honestly, I'm gonna say this. They're playing better right now than they played with Kyle Winningham, which is crazy to say, but it's just how it is. not to say Kyle Winningham's a bad coach. He's one of the best coaches of all time, but he Utah and Morgan Scale have that team going really good right now. So they're two. Three is Georgia. They're my SEC team that's in here. I think that Georgia taking care of business, not flashy, not doing anything you know, crazy like Miami is offensively, but they're winning football games. They crushed Florida, you know. I I know they lost to Auburn, but that was just like a game that most people have been losing this year. Everyone has that one loss. So for me, Georgia at three, and then Kentucky at four. This is where I think a lot of people would maybe disagree. You look at Kentucky's resume, they're a one-loss SEC team. There's only two teams that can say that, Georgia and Kentucky. and I was stuck between Kentucky and UCLA. UCLA is five for me. Kentucky is one loss SEC team. How do you not put them up there? They have good wins. They're going to continue to play good quality competition. And I'm excited to see because I think this team can go 10 and 2, make the college ball playoff. I think that your SEC championship is probably Georgia, Kentucky. Kentucky doesn't have a tough road. I think that they could afford to lose one and still have a decent chance of making it, depending on what Alabama does against LSU with that tiebreaker. So my top four would be Miami, Utah, Georgia, and Kentucky as of now. Josh: Yeah, that's really interesting. You really threw me off with the last one because as high as you and I have been on UCLA, I I'm impressed. I think you and I have the same top four. I have Miami, Utah, UCLA, and Georgia. other than, you know, of course, you have Kentucky swapped in there. So I I think UCLA they're they're still being overlooked because they only beat Nevada twenty seven a zip this past week. But that was a shutout for one. Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Hey, you got the win. Josh: They yeah, they got a shutout for one and two, they just keep on winning their way. They control the ball, they control the clock. They control on defense and they do enough on offense to win these games. And it's not like their offense is ugly. It's not like their offense just can't move the ball. It they they control it. Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: No. It's their offense, yeah. Josh: Yeah. That that's that's exactly how Chesney wants to win these games. And I I absolutely love it. and so I'm I'm putting UCLA up there. I'm putting them above. Personally, I have them at number three just because you're undefeated. You're a Big Ten school that's undefeated this far into the season. Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Mm-hmm. Josh: I I'm giving it to you. and Georgia's loss to Auburn was ugly. And to your point, what's what's uglier? Georgia's loss, their their one loss to Auburn at home, or Kentucky's second half, you know, comeback win for Alabama to beat Kentucky. I mean, Kentucky beat was was beat by Alabama, Georgia was beat by an okay Auburn team. I'm not gonna say a bad Auburn team, but an okay Auburn team. so to your point, I I like that you have Kentucky that high. That's it's a bold take. And I'm sure you will have plenty of people interested in in hearing more about it. Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: I'm gonna give you one last thought on Kentucky. If you take Alabama's logo and you switch it with Kentucky's logo, no one will say a word. People be like, put them higher. Josh: Yeah. Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Put them higher. Ohio State was a one loss team. Who was their loss to? Texas. your loss is to Alabama. why shouldn't you be higher? If you switch them, it's the same with Mississippi State. When they were undefeated, they barely cracked the top ten in the eight people. It's like switch their logo with Georgia and they're in the top three. I it's it's a prisoner of the logo at this point. Josh: Yeah, it's a that's a good point too. we can get on here and talk, but I I've always I've always said in this business, I don't really care what your take is, as long as you've got something to back it up. And I don't really have any arguments there, man. you you've got a you've got a strong arg strong argument form to be up there. just to play devil's advocate, are you putting Kentucky above because of the logo that you see in UCLA and not not putting them up there instead? Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: For me with UCLA, they don't have the resume that Kentucky has. They've had the win against Oregon. That doesn't look as great. But outside of that, they don't have a ton of wins. And that's what, made me choose Kentucky is the fact that they're getting quality wins like week after week. Kentucky or UCLA playing Big Ten schools, but like Wisconsin, not a great football team right now. there's just certain, you know, resume comparisons that I decided to put Kentucky over because the fact that they're playing quality opponents week after week. you could say the same about Miami. It's like who have they technically played, but they're undefeated. So it's like with Utah, I would not complain if you put Utah at one and Miami at two. I would fully understand because Utah has wins against top fifteen opponents, whereas Miami doesn't, but we'll know this Saturday whenever they played Notre Josh: Yeah. Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Dame. Josh: Yeah, there there will be a lot of answers in that game alone. we'll definitely Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Mm-hmm. Josh: be diving into that. But all right, yeah, I like it. I mean, you've got you've got a good argument for it too. So I'm not I'm not gonna push back at all, man. I I like it. But all right, let's go on to the next one. Which close win concerns you more? The close win that Miami had over UNC or Indiana's close overtime win. Two overtime wins in a row for my for Indiana. And just to touch up on that too, Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Yeah. Josh: a sixty yard field goal makes it. What the heck? And then followed up, Minnesota does the exact same thing. Sixty yard field goal, makes it, goes to overtime. Jet that was just that was insane. I had to bring that up because we didn't have a chance to jump Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: yeah. Josh: on and recap that game. But which which win, close win, concerns you a little bit more? Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: I'm gonna go with Indiana and I'm gonna explain why. I'm not just gonna say I'm gonna lay it out. if you look at Indiana and their law or their wins the last two weeks, they've gone to overtime twice. And I believe both games well the Michigan game was on the road. But you look at those games and what was the issue? It was offense. The offense wasn't doing anything, the defense was good. So you look at Indiana and it's like, okay, they're getting these wins But they're against unranked opponents, and that's two back to back overtime wins. They have USC next week, they have a bye week this week. So I feel like for me it's Indiana. Because they're like when you look at Miami with the North Carolina win, it's like I understand they had the close one with Florida State and now North Carolina, but they're scoring thirty five, they're scoring forty two points. they are playing great offensively. Whereas Indiana, they're not scoring a ton. And I know that, it's like, well, they have a good defense that's keeping them in games. I understand that. But when I look at them, I'm more confident in Miami than I am in Indiana right now. But I'm super confident Kurtzagenity. I think Indiana's probably going to win out. But I am a little more concerned. I'm gonna do a panic meter segment on my Tuesday show and I'm gonna put Indiana in there. I believe right now my panic meters, it's below s it's like a six. I'm not super panicked with Indiana. But there is some signs where it's like, okay, we gotta clean this up. we're starting a new quarterback, I believe, against USC. I believe Josh Hoover. I think they're just gonna give him time to heal. but again, that can change. They're still two weeks out of that game. So with Indiana, it's more of a a future. you look at the future, they still have some quality games. Whereas Miami, they just have Notre Dame. Once you get past Notre Dame, you just have to play well. And it's like Notre Dame, you can outscore Notre Dame. But it's like USC, you saw what USC did to Ohio State. So like when it comes to future matchups, I'm a little more concerned with Indiana as opposed to Miami. When I look at this game, again, it was more of a sloppy game, especially with special teams. Like Miami just like I think North Carolina just played well. Like Minnesota didn't necessarily have like four hundred offensive yards and a and a bunch of turnovers. Like it was just a sloppy game by Indiana. I believe five like special team errors. So it was more like Indiana shooting themselves in the foot as opposed to Miami, just their opponents just being competitive with them. So for me, I'm gonna go with Indiana because of those reasons. Josh: Yeah, I think with Indiana too, being in the Big Ten, and we've talked about how cluttered the the top of these con conferences are right now. If you lose one more in your conference, there's so many different tiebreakers that we have to go through now. and so they d really don't have anything that they can let up, you know. And and so I I think that they have more to lose than Miami does right now. I think Indiana's is just a little bit more concerning because you don't have any more wiggle room. Miami realistically could lose three more and still make the college football playoff because one of them, like if you they were to lose to to Notre Dame, that's not an ACC loss. and so you could still Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Mm-hmm. Josh: win out and win the win the ACC and and or sorry, two more really. three more is still on the table because you could still win the ACC. Where it's harder for Indiana to make it there right now with all the tiebreakers that are going on with USC and and Ohio State and Indiana. so I mean, there's a weird tiebreaker system where you're fighting between maybe five different Big Ten teams at the top. So yeah, Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Yeah. Josh: I I'm I'm interested to see what all these tiebreakers come down to for the conferences. But all right, let's jump on to the next question. Who gained the most ground in the Big Twelve right now? you look at at Utah, Texas Tech. BYU. They've all had some big wins. We're going to have a really big one. Again, we're going to have to talk about this coming up this weekend with the Holy War. You've got you know Utah and BYU, but it seems Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Mm. Josh: like there's been a little bit of separation. you've had Texas Tech was able to separate a little bit with a win over Arizona. and then let's see, who did Utah just beat this week? BYU beat Arizona State. Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: They they took down Cincinnati. Josh: That's right. So a little bit of separation there, but there's still those three teams. Up at the top, which which team do you think has kind of gained more ground there in the Big Twelve discussion? Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: the easy answer would be like Utah. They're separating themselves. Utah is the clear favorite. But I I want to mention Texas Tech for a second. Texas Tech, I feel like, is pushing towards the second best team in that conference because of the win against Arizona and they won that game in a more of a shootout fashion. So Texas Tech for me is gaining a lot of ground in terms of, hopefully getting back after their, weird loss to Cincinnati. But Utah's obviously the front runner in that conference. There's no debate there. But Texas Tech, I feel like, is overcoming BYU a little bit. BYU's coming off that Notre Dame game and everyone just kinda threw in their mind like, this team's the best Big Twelve team. Well, that you saw them lose to UCF. And, I just feel like that right now, if I had to pick a Big Twelve championship, I would take Utah and Texas Tech. I feel like Texas Tech gained a lot of ground with the win against Arizona. also shout out to Baylor. I don't know if you saw what they did on Friday night, but Baylor. Might have found something without Dave Aranda, but for me, for s all on seriously talking about who gained ground in the Big Twelve, I would go with Texas Tech. Josh: Yeah, and I think you answered that perfectly too, because the obvious one is Utah. They're still undefeated. They they stay Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Mm-hmm. Josh: in at the top. But I think Texas Tech, I agree with you. I think they gained more ground because they were in that group of who's gonna be number two. And right now they sit there really tight at number two still, but they sit there pretty firmly at number two. So what's really interesting is there's a battle for number one in this this holy war here, this this upcoming week too. So that's that's what's really fun about that Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: yeah. Josh: game. So and and if Utah wins, Texas Tech gains a lot from that. I think that they've gained a lot of ground with that big win. And not to mention, too, you look at the you know, Tommy Castellanos comes in for quarterback for them and and then the way that they had to come back in that game, I felt like Arizona was really owning that game early. and Texas Tech finds a way, they dig dig deep and find a way Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Yeah. Josh: to overcome and started to get some rhythm. And and if you look at the box score, it feels like Arizona should have whooped Texas Tech. so it was a really good, impressive win the way that they were able to do it and coming back the way that they were able to do it at home too. So I agree. I think they gained the most ground there in the Big Twelve race. But all right, what about some overlooked teams? which overlooked team do you think deserves a little bit more attention? Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Wake Forest. It's gotta be Wake Forest. People, I'm telling you, the AP poll is like they're purely ranking at this point off of logo. you look at Wake Forest and that resume. It's like someone needs to make a T shirt. Prisoner of the logo. Mississippi State early in the season, Kentucky, UCLA, Wake Forest, man, they're the prisoner of the logo. They look and say, it's Wake Forest. They're gonna die off. Like it No, they're a good football team. Jason Dicker, the head coach there, has that team at a really good spot. I think that they are each week inching closer to being a competitive team against Miami. And g I think that they're going to give them a heck of a run in the ACC championship if they continue to win and get there. Wake Forest is really good. if they can if they can get to the ACC championship against, let's say, Miami. They got a good shot to beat Miami. that team is really good. Gio Lopez, the quarterback there, is a really good quarterback. if he comes back to college, I'm not sure his year, but he'll get offers. He will get a ton of offers. the head coach there, Jason Dickert, he's going to get a ton of offers for coaching. I think Florida State early is interested in him. So there's a lot of, you know, pieces at Wake Forest that are going to help them to continue to win. I feel like they're being way overlooked. I believe they're only like fourteenth in the AP poll. It's like, what are we doing? what are we doing? Their only Josh: I have in the top ten. Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: loss is to the number one team in the country. that that's the best loss in the country is to the number one team. I I I don't get it. There's these AP poll voters just purely at this point look at logo. Notre Dame. Notre Dame in in the top five. what have they done? they haven't done anything. But but back to Wake Forest, they're easily the most overlooked team in my opinion. Josh: Yeah, that was definitely a team that I had down on my list. But another one that I want to throw out there is New Mexico. I I'd why is New Mexico not being talked about enough? Because I understand they're a G five school. Guess what? G five school I a G five school has to get in. And here's what they've got on their schedule. They whooped Central Michigan thirty eight to seven. Nobody team, but they handle business. Mercyhurst, another nobody team, seventy to seven. They only lost fourteen to six to Oklahoma. They lost by eight points to Oklahoma at Oklahoma. I I I know that doesn't sound like much, but everyone understands that Oklahoma's still got a tough defense and they were able to hang in there with them Oklahoma's got a lot of things going on, just fired Ben Arbuckle today and all that stuff on offense. That's how bad their offense is. But still, this was this was an Oklahoma team that had a lot of preseason hype. and only losing by eight points there. They go on to beat New Mexico State 42 to 18. They beat UTEP 61 to 7, Hawaii 21 to 10. North Dakota State, which is a good win, 21 to 16. San Jose State, another good win, 21 to 16. That's kind of crazy. All these duplicate numbers that I've seen recently this year are are are really insane. Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Yeah. Josh: But yeah, I mean, you you look at what they've done. This is the first time in the 90 years of the AP top 25 that New Mexico has ever been ranked. And they're finally put into the into the rankings. I think that we need to start respecting New Mexico just a little bit. And also Jason Eck is another one of those coaches that Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Mm. Josh: I hope he sticks around a little bit longer just because of what he's building at New Mexico. And I think that New Mexico could really build off of this year. but I think that's another name that has to be thrown into some of the mix of any of the coaching carousel anywhere around the country that could be going on this offseason, starting off with Florida State. I know that a lot of people have mentioned him for that job down there. I do agree with you, Wake Forest. I have them in the top eight. I think number eight. so I I I could even see an argument to move them up even a little bit further. So I I like Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: I got at six, yeah. Josh: Yeah, I I like Wake Forest. and and New Mexico's another one. But definitely need a need a little bit more love out of those two teams. All right, overreaction court. I'm gonna kick these over to you, Wyatt. I'm just gonna ask you, you're gonna give me overreaction or valid and a brief statement as to why. Starting off with Indiana, Indiana's close calls are becoming b a bigger story than its wins. Overreaction or valid? Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: I'm gonna say it's valid. I I think when you look at their their close wins, like we just talked about them earlier, like there's a little bit of panic. There's a little bit of like what's happening here? Like is this a trend? Like this happened twice in a row. You got USC coming into town. I think you have to win that to get to the Big Ten championship. So I would feel like that's pretty valid that their close calls are becoming bigger stories than their wins. Cause they don't really have a ton of great wins this year, but their close wins are a little concerning. when it comes to Indiana, I feel like there's gotta be a little bit of panic at least. Josh: Yeah, and and then to that point as well, back it up. Close win to Nebraska, a comeback win to Nebraska. then Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Josh: what could have been a close win to Ohio State, and I'll come back to that in just a minute, but that was a close loss. Then you've got close win and overtime, close win and overtime. So what seems to be the reoccurring the recurring pattern here? Close wins to teams that you should be handling pretty well as an Indiana team that we regard very highly now should be handling them. leads to what happens against an Ohio State that had a healthy Julian Sayon. Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Yeah. Josh: What could have been a close win against a good team turned into a close loss because of the close wins against bad teams or okay teams, good teams, but not great teams. and and I think that's kind of the recurring pattern that you're starting to see with Indiana. So I would agree with you. I think it's pretty valid just because those close wins turn into close losses against a team like Ohio State. Moving on, Miami should lose the number one spot despite winning this past week. Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: I feel like that's a bit of an overreaction. Like, I mean, who hasn't won a close game at this point in in this world or in this, you know, year of college football? So I mean in my opinion, I think Miami winning those close games is pretty much normal at this point in in college football this year. So I am not gonna overreact to that at all. I think that you look at the world of college football in the top five teams, it's like who else undef or who else, definitively would take their spot. you could say Utah, but it's like fifty fifty. It's like the flip of a coin. You could say Georgia, flip of a coin. there's really no team that it's like, that team's better than Miami. Miami needs to fall out. I don't think so. I think that they're the number one team in the country by just a very slim margin, but I still would keep them number one. Josh: Yeah, I would say the arguments are Georgia or Utah, especially based on the AP poll, Utah or Georgia, and Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Mm-hmm. Josh: then you look at those two. Utah just had a close game a few weeks ago against Colorado and only won by three points. Look at Georgia just a couple Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Yeah. Josh: weeks ago, lost at home to an Auburn team who's just okay. They're not a good team. You shouldn't be losing to them. But you know, winning a close game there. But so you know, everyone's shown vulnerabilities, right? So yeah, I think there's some validity to to the concern there, but I agree. Overreaction. All right, going on to Utah. Utah is the big twelve team that you would least want to face. Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: valid. I would not want to play Utah. I'd be like, no, thank you. Like that is a team that you do not want to face. They're red hot right now. That offense, Devin Dampier right now, that is not a team that I want to be playing, especially that defense. That defense is also really good as well. I wouldn't even want to play that team at home. Like I'm good. I would not want to play Utah if I was in the Big Twelve. But sadly, BYU has to be the next victim. Josh: Yeah. look at all the the the predictions that you would have made at the beginning of the season. Utah Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Mm-hmm. Josh: being this good after everything that they had to turn over and rebuild and and and bring in, would you have predicted that they were gonna be undefeated and looking as solid as they are up to this point? I I don't think anybody did. I don't think anybody Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Mm-mm. Josh: thought that they'd be this good. So that's kind of where A lot of the the criticism of of pics are are just hilarious. But we're we're gonna skip the next one because then the like shortly after we created the notes, there was there was some things that came out about that one. So we'll go on to the next one. Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Yeah. Josh: Wake forest deserves top ten consideration. Overreaction or valid? We kind of already touched on it, but Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: that is so valid. I mean, Wake Forest deserves borderline top eight compet or top top f seven in my book. I have them at six, you have them at eight. They are 100% a top ten team. Only lost to the number one team in the country. Look really solid. They beat Virginia by f like forty some points. That is a really good football team. And a lot of people look at that Wake Forest logo and they say, Ugh, you know, I'm not gonna put them up there. They're they're gonna lose. Well Here here's my thing. I'm gonna give a little rant on the AP people and in people's polls in general. We're not ranking teams based off of what we think they're gonna do. We're ranking teams based off of what they've done. If you think that Wake Forest is gonna lose games, then they'll lose the games and then you adjust your rankings. But right now, Wake Forest is one of the best teams in the country. They are a top ten team, no doubt in my book. if I think Texas is gonna start winning games, I'm not gonna put them at five because I think, maybe they'll they'll finish eleven and two. if I think they're gonna do that, they will eventually do that. you adjust accordingly each week, you you react. Don't overreact, just react. Just put your rankings out based off of what has happened, not what will happen. So for me, Wake Forest easily a top ten team. That is so valid. Josh: Well, and and just to that point too, don't forget they only lost by thirteen to Miami. It's not just that like their only loss was there, but they they they made Miami sweat that game out. That wasn't an Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Yeah. Josh: easy win for Miami by any means. So yeah, one hundred percent. They deserve to be in the top ten. Not even consideration. It should just be like, Hey, Wake Forest, top ten team. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, consensus. We're putting them in the top ten. No problem. All right. Going on to the last question, I guess the overreaction court. The Georgia Ole Miss outcome. Will tell us more than either team's week nine win this past weekend. Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: I one hundred percent agree with that. This this game today is in my opinion is going to decide which one of these two teams goes to the SEC championship. The winner of this game, in my book, goes to the SEC championship because Olmus two losses, Georgia one. If Olmus wins, they have two losses, but they have the tiebreaker over Georgia to win. I think that probably sends them to the SEC championship as long as they take care of business along the way. With Georgia If you win, again, you're in prime position for the SEC championship. But if you lose, you don't you don't have the tiebreaker over Ole Miss. You haven't played Kentucky. You still gotta play a really red hot South Carolina team. So for me, I think that this is super valid. I think that this is going to tell us a lot about either one of these teams. this is going to be a replay of the Sugar Bowl. I think it's gonna be a very high scoring game. And honestly, this might be my favorite game outside of Notre Dame, Miami to break down this week. But I think that's totally valid. Josh: Yeah, and and I pulled up the standings real quick just to look at it. So obviously some of these teams will play against each other. but there are one, two, Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Mm-hmm. Josh: three, four, five, six, six teams with two losses right now in the in the SEC. and then Georgia and Kentucky the only ones with one loss. So I yeah, it's it that is just a weird I'll have to look it up and see Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: Yeah. Josh: what that comes out to, how many two loss teams there could be by the end of the year. Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: There's gonna be a lot of like weird tiebreakers that we're gonna have to go through. Like looking like of course Alabama plays LSU, that's gonna eliminate a team this week. George Ole Miss, that's gonna eliminate somebody. you know, got Texas LSU in a few weeks, Josh: Could or or i if if all miss were to win though it wouldn't it Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: that's gonna eliminate somebody. So it's gonna work itself out. I think Kentucky plays Missouri still. You know, that's gonna eliminate someone from that contention. So it's going to work itself out like it it always does and and it will. But for me, it's gonna be like who gets out alive? Like it's You have a bunch of teams in the in the in the dryer and they're Josh: Mm. Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: just going around and around and it's like you open the door and it's like you never know who's gonna fly out. I think that's the SEC. There's legit like eight teams right now that could make the conference championship and I would be like, Okay, yeah, that checks out this year. Josh: Yeah. Well and and I mean if Ole Miss wins though, that just adds it stokes the fire a little bit. Cause now you've got a really Guest 1 Wyatt Zang: yeah. Josh: weird like now, like those two teams could meet again in the SEC championship. I don't know. yeah, it's it's gonna be a really fun week ten getting into it. We've got more to cover, but on another day. So we appreciate everybody so much for tuning in with us. before you head out, make sure to h hit that like button, hit that subscribe button, and share us with a friend. Real quick, just share us on social media with a friend who enjoys it's college sports in general because we're covering hockey right now. hopefully we'll get some basketball coverage coming in soon as today's the first day for college basketball and so much more. We want to keep on growing here at Game Day Collective and it takes you to help us keep on growing. So comment down below. 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