Latest / Karl and Crew / Reassurance that the Holy Spirit is Working in You with Alistair Begg & Navigating Those Seasons of Waiting with Kaci Nicole Harlow
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- 0:01S1: Coming to you live in studio. It's Carl and crew
- 0:05S1: on Moody radio.
- 0:07S2: Want you to think about who is the richest person
- 0:11S2: you know. And before you think, wow, what an inappropriate question. What?
- 0:15S2: You need to borrow money.
- 0:16S3: I mean.
- 0:18S2: You go looking for that wealthy, that wealthy, distant relative. No.
- 0:22S2: Who is the wealthiest person? You know? And when you
- 0:24S2: think about wealth, I want you to think about it holistically.
- 0:27S2: So not as you would probably expect, not the person
- 0:31S2: in your life, you know, who has the biggest bank account,
- 0:33S2: who has the best paying job, but who's the richest
- 0:37S2: person that you know? Wow. Walks through life regardless of
- 0:42S2: how much money that they have or don't have. There's
- 0:47S2: a richness, there's a wealth. There's a quality of life
- 0:52S2: that transcends money. Think about that. Bring that person's name
- 0:57S2: to mind.
- 0:57S3: Okay. Got it.
- 0:59S2: And then I want you to think about what is
- 1:01S2: it that makes someone rich. We've been tackling these popular myths,
- 1:06S2: these verses that are misquoted or just flat out not there.
- 1:11S2: And yesterday we talked about how God helps those who
- 1:14S2: help themselves, which is not out of the Bible. It
- 1:17S2: is out of Aesop's fable. But this next one is money,
- 1:22S2: the root of all evil. Because you hear versions of that, right?
- 1:25S3: Oh, definitely.
- 1:26S2: And we know many songs have been written about it.
- 1:29S2: Many lives have been wrecked. It seems to be that
- 1:34S2: there's some truth that money is connected to problems, to
- 1:41S2: challenges that it often solves, doesn't solve nearly as many
- 1:46S2: as it can create.
- 1:47S3: It opens the door to things you didn't expect.
- 1:50S2: So what is that verse actually say? Is it money
- 1:55S2: that's the root of all evil. It's actually the love
- 1:58S2: of money that is the root of all kinds of evil,
- 2:02S2: says First Timothy 610. For the love of money is
- 2:04S2: a root of all kinds of evil. It is through
- 2:06S2: this craving that some have wandered away from the faith
- 2:09S2: and pierced themselves with many pangs. What? I want to
- 2:12S2: break this down a little bit because I think if
- 2:15S2: you just say, oh, well, it's the it's the love,
- 2:17S2: that's okay. So it's not the money, but it's the
- 2:20S2: love of money kind of.
- 2:21S3: Yeah.
- 2:22S2: Same difference. No no no no no. Let's go to
- 2:26S2: first Timothy six. And this is this is towards the
- 2:29S2: end of a letter that Paul has written to his
- 2:32S2: son in the faith, to Timothy, and he's teaching them
- 2:36S2: about life. He's teaching him about the kingdom of God,
- 2:41S2: about the church. Okay. And so in chapter six, starting
- 2:46S2: with verse seven, he says, teach and urge these things.
- 2:50S2: This is verse two, rather. If anyone teaches a different
- 2:53S2: doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of
- 2:56S2: our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness.
- 3:00S2: He is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He
- 3:04S2: has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about
- 3:07S2: words which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant
- 3:12S2: friction among people. So this is the warning he has
- 3:16S2: against if anyone is teaching something different than what all
- 3:21S2: of I've just shared with you, this is someone who's
- 3:24S2: puffed up with conceit, who's teaching the gospel for gain
- 3:30S2: goes on in verse five. Constant friction among people who
- 3:33S2: are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining
- 3:36S2: that godliness is a means of gain. There were false
- 3:40S2: teachers who sought to exploit the gospel for the sake
- 3:45S2: of their own financial gain, their own profit. And he's saying, no, no, no, no, no.
- 3:50S2: These people, these false teachers, they imagine godliness is a
- 3:55S2: means of gain. And then verse six, but godliness with
- 3:59S2: contentment is great gain. So godliness is not a means
- 4:04S2: to gain, but godliness in of itself. When there's contentment,
- 4:08S2: there is great gain. And then verse seven, I'm sure
- 4:12S2: you probably heard a mom or a grandma say a
- 4:14S2: version of this, for we brought nothing into the world. Oh, yes.
- 4:19S2: And we cannot take anything out of it.
- 4:23S3: Yes.
- 4:23S2: There was a version that said, I brought you into
- 4:25S2: this world, but that's not in the Bible either, my friend.
- 4:30S2: But if we have food and clothing with these, we
- 4:33S2: will be content. For those who desire to be rich,
- 4:37S2: fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and
- 4:42S2: harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. And
- 4:47S2: then verse ten again, for the love of money is
- 4:50S2: a root of all kinds of evil. It is through
- 4:53S2: this craving that some have wandered away from the faith
- 4:56S2: and pierced themselves with many pangs. So the couple things
- 4:59S2: that stood out to me about this passage that the
- 5:02S2: love of money. Yes, some people accurately get that, but
- 5:07S2: then they. But they miss the verse before it that
- 5:10S2: those who desire to be rich. This means that this
- 5:15S2: money as a snare, the love of money as a
- 5:18S2: snare is not a risk just to those who are wealthy.
- 5:23S3: Oh no, it's the.
- 5:25S2: Desire itself, that relationship with money, that desire to be
- 5:30S2: rich that leads to temptation, that can lead to snare
- 5:33S2: and lead to many senseless and harmful desires that plunge
- 5:37S2: people into ruin and destruction.
- 5:39S3: The desire is a seed. Yes. And if you're not careful,
- 5:42S3: it's going to take root into your heart.
- 5:44S2: When money is the driver, when money is the thing
- 5:49S2: that compels you to take certain moves or not to
- 5:55S2: make certain decisions or not to in your relationships. And
- 6:00S2: have you ever met somebody who was driven by money?
- 6:02S2: Maybe they had a lot. Maybe they had a little.
- 6:04S2: But their motivator was money. Sure. Right.
- 6:09S3: Definitely.
- 6:10S2: How did God set you free from the desire for riches?
- 6:14S2: From the love of money? Maybe you were someone who
- 6:17S2: you chased money things, chased things. That's what meant everything
- 6:24S2: to you.
- 6:25S3: Status.
- 6:26S2: I remember there was served in a youth ministry for
- 6:29S2: a time. And there was a young man who started
- 6:32S2: coming to our youth group. And he was he was
- 6:35S2: clearly a very troubled young man. And he was 17
- 6:40S2: years old. But you could already see that there was
- 6:44S2: a trajectory that if God didn't intervene, you could see
- 6:47S2: that the path that he was on. So remember one
- 6:51S2: time there was he would come with a young woman
- 6:53S2: who I started to get close to. And so I
- 6:55S2: would talk to him from time to time. And I
- 6:57S2: asked him, how can I how can I pray for you?
- 7:01S2: And he, he said that I would get money and
- 7:05S2: that I would live to see 18 or something, something
- 7:09S2: some age that was really young that he wanted to
- 7:12S2: see painful. So get money and not die. Basically he'd
- 7:19S2: seen a lot. And I thought, man, it's a really
- 7:24S2: heartbreaking thing to pray for. But in his mind, that's
- 7:28S2: what would be success. That's what would be making it
- 7:32S2: get money.
- 7:33S3: Oh, worth.
- 7:34S2: It. And then live a little bit longer so I
- 7:36S2: could spend it. When did God set you free from
- 7:40S2: love of money, desire for riches?
- 7:43S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
- 7:46S4: Well, you may have heard someone talk about the fruits
- 7:49S4: of the spirit love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.
- 7:55S4: Do you see those evident in your life? And is
- 7:58S4: it fruits of the spirit? Even that might be a
- 8:02S4: little bit of a misconception. Alistair Begg joining us this morning.
- 8:06S4: His program, truth for life airs daily on Moody Radio.
- 8:10S4: Is it the fruit of the spirit or the fruits
- 8:13S4: of the spirit? And why is it important to distinguish
- 8:15S4: between the two?
- 8:17S5: Yeah. Good, good. Yes, it is one indivisible fruit. I
- 8:21S5: think it's a very common misstatement. It's not purposefully misstated,
- 8:26S5: I don't think. But if you speak to people, they imagine,
- 8:30S5: as you know, a bowl that has grapes in it
- 8:33S5: and plums in it and apples in it and so on.
- 8:36S5: And so they kind of view it in much the
- 8:38S5: same way as the gifts of the spirit, that the
- 8:40S5: gifts are given variously. And, uh, not everybody has the same.
- 8:44S5: And so the assumption is that that's probably true of
- 8:47S5: the fruit, when in actual fact it's one indivisible fruit.
- 8:50S5: I like to think of it like an orange. And
- 8:53S5: all the leaves of of the orange comprise the one piece.
- 8:57S2: I love that. Alistair Begg with us this morning. He's
- 9:00S2: got a book out. We will be changed. Nine inner
- 9:03S2: glories the spirit is cultivating in you so we don't
- 9:07S2: pick apart the fruit of the spirit. In the same
- 9:10S2: way that we would pick an apple off the tree.
- 9:12S2: And I'm going to grab an orange from over here
- 9:14S2: and assemble this bowl of fruit. It is the fruit
- 9:17S2: of the spirit working in us. Talk about these inner
- 9:19S2: glories that the spirit is cultivating in us, particularly when
- 9:24S2: we don't really feel like much is happening at all.
- 9:27S5: You know, first of all, we take everything by faith
- 9:30S5: that we trust the promises of God, that Jesus, you know,
- 9:34S5: he told his disciples, it's good for you that I
- 9:36S5: go away. And when I go, you will receive the
- 9:39S5: Holy Spirit, that the Holy Spirit is at work in
- 9:42S5: the life of the believer. Anyone who doesn't have the
- 9:44S5: spirit is not actually in Christ. And so we start
- 9:48S5: from that basis. Not something that we have to dig
- 9:51S5: around and try and produce, but rather the evidence that
- 9:54S5: our God is actually at work. And sometimes it seems
- 9:57S5: more impressive than others. I mean, just in the same
- 10:01S5: way as fruit growing has dormant periods. And it would
- 10:05S5: seem that not very much is happening at all. But
- 10:08S5: actually a lot is happening. And in our Christian lives,
- 10:11S5: a lot is happening. How much is, you know, immediately
- 10:15S5: obvious to us or whether we actually feel that we're
- 10:18S5: making the progress that we would like to make. You know,
- 10:21S5: it's a separate question, really.
- 10:22S2: Yeah. Now you write that God saves us just as
- 10:26S2: we are. There's nothing. We don't make ourselves good enough
- 10:28S2: for God, but he is not content for us to
- 10:32S2: remain as we are. We are on this journey of sanctification,
- 10:37S2: of becoming more like Christ. Speak to that because there's
- 10:41S2: a common misconception that God accepts me as I am,
- 10:44S2: and therefore he's good with anything I do.
- 10:48S5: You know that notion that God says me just the
- 10:52S5: way I am? I mean, the only person that God
- 10:54S5: the Father is ever accepted in that way is God
- 10:57S5: the Son. And it's true to say that God accepts
- 11:01S5: me or is at work within me despite of what
- 11:04S5: I am, because my natural propensity is to, you know,
- 11:10S5: be resistant is to be self-oriented, to be judgmental. So
- 11:15S5: it does take the work of the Spirit of God
- 11:18S5: over a long period of time. You know, justification is
- 11:21S5: an instantaneous reality. I was once in darkness. Now I
- 11:25S5: am light in the Lord on the strength of the
- 11:27S5: work of grace. But the work of sanctification is a process.
- 11:31S5: It's a bit like a cross-country run that, you know,
- 11:33S5: lasts for your entire life. And when we have a
- 11:36S5: sense of that, then we can at least moderate our
- 11:40S5: own self-assessments, and we can perhaps encourage one another more
- 11:45S5: along the journey as we as we run together.
- 11:48S2: You know, speaking of that journey, this was illuminated a
- 11:52S2: little bit in your book. And this was, I felt,
- 11:54S2: really helpful. Romans 828 through 29 is often quoted that
- 11:58S2: God works all things for good for those who love
- 12:01S2: him and are called according to his purpose. And that's
- 12:04S2: often used as an encouragement that anything that happens in
- 12:07S2: your life, God will use it for good. Which is
- 12:10S2: partially true, but there's a part of this that we miss.
- 12:13S2: Explain that.
- 12:14S5: Well, 29 comes right after 28 and he says that
- 12:17S5: God has called. He's foreordained to be conformed to the
- 12:21S5: image of the Lord Jesus. And that is the ultimate
- 12:24S5: good that God is working towards. And that sets us
- 12:28S5: free from the sort of superficial notions that everything is
- 12:31S5: going well. Therefore, God must be really pleased with me,
- 12:35S5: and everything isn't going so well and something must be up.
- 12:38S5: But in actual fact, in the same way that the
- 12:41S5: process of just physical development has highs and lows and
- 12:46S5: has challenges and so on. So we would be surprised
- 12:49S5: if that were not the case in being made like Jesus,
- 12:52S5: because we're not like Jesus. And it's the work of
- 12:56S5: the Spirit of God to make us more and more
- 12:59S5: like our elder brother. And often I think we see,
- 13:03S5: we see it best in other people than we see
- 13:05S5: it in ourselves. And there's probably good in that as well.
- 13:09S5: I mean, I don't think you would want to talk
- 13:11S5: to me if I was on to let you know
- 13:13S5: that I've got a full orbed expression of these nine glories.
- 13:17S5: I think you'd be like, well, maybe I should be
- 13:20S5: talking to your wife rather than talking to you, you know? So.
- 13:24S2: Yeah. Alistair Begg with us this morning. You know, the
- 13:28S2: fact remains that our witness as Christ followers, as much
- 13:32S2: as we want to study scripture and be able to
- 13:36S2: have great answers for the questions that people have. And
- 13:39S2: we have many guests who help us do that to
- 13:41S2: help us be armed, great apologists. But really, when it
- 13:45S2: comes down to it, it's the old expression that people like,
- 13:49S2: watch what you do more than what you say. I mean,
- 13:52S2: and it's so true, right?
- 13:53S5: Absolutely. I mean, the greatest apologetic argument really is a
- 13:57S5: transformed life in that respect. The conversion, for example, of
- 14:02S5: Saul of Tarsus is, you know, outside of the resurrection,
- 14:05S5: I think is the greatest apologetic for the truth of
- 14:08S5: the gospel. You know, here you've got somebody who is
- 14:10S5: radically opposed to the gospel, to Jesus, and to anyone
- 14:14S5: who is a follower of Jesus. And God saves him
- 14:17S5: and makes him the apostle to the Gentiles. You know,
- 14:19S5: only God, only God does stuff like that.
- 14:22S2: Unbelievable.
- 14:23S5: Yeah.
- 14:24S2: What were you seeing from your vantage point that you
- 14:27S2: felt this was a book that needed to be, to
- 14:29S2: be written? These nine inner glories the spirit is cultivating
- 14:33S2: in you is an encouragement to the believer that there's
- 14:35S2: more happening than we realize, or something else.
- 14:38S5: Well, as a pastor, you first of all have to
- 14:41S5: preach the sermons to yourself before you preach them to
- 14:46S5: anybody else. And so, in the same way that the
- 14:49S5: Word of God convicts us in our preparation and in
- 14:53S5: our proclamation, it just follows through into once you put
- 14:57S5: it down in print. In fact, sometimes when it goes
- 15:00S5: down in print and you have occasion to just reread
- 15:03S5: what you've written, you find yourself immensely challenged by it.
- 15:06S5: I mean the extent to which love is the hallmark
- 15:10S5: that reveals itself in love for God and love for
- 15:14S5: your neighbor is challenged on many fronts, many times. Joy.
- 15:19S5: That is not something just superficial, but is a deep
- 15:22S5: seated reality. And you know, as we go on through
- 15:25S5: these things, all this does is really lifts out of us. Galatians,
- 15:31S5: what Paul is writing to the people of his generation,
- 15:35S5: and it makes the point, I hope, that the same
- 15:38S5: message is required in every generation until the Lord Jesus
- 15:42S5: Christ returns. The people of God need to be forcibly reminded,
- 15:47S5: starting with me, that we're not here on a political junket.
- 15:50S5: We're not here to establish some kingdom of earthly strategies,
- 15:55S5: but we're here actually to commend Jesus. And we commend
- 16:00S5: him both by our lips, but also by our lives.
- 16:03S5: And sometimes my life shouts so loudly that people can't
- 16:08S5: hear what I'm saying. And that is the challenge. That's
- 16:11S5: the challenge.
- 16:12S2: You know, we talk about often on this program about
- 16:15S2: sometimes the gap that exists between, you know, the things
- 16:18S2: that we believe, what we're reading, the truth that we
- 16:21S2: hold so dear, and then our daily reality and the
- 16:25S2: work of closing that gap is that we can't do it.
- 16:29S2: We find ourselves powerless and helpless, but then we're perfectly positioned,
- 16:33S2: as Carl likes to say, for God to do something.
- 16:36S2: Talk to the person who feels stuck. They are in Christ.
- 16:40S2: They're walking with the Lord, but they just don't feel
- 16:42S2: like they're growing.
- 16:44S5: There's a number of things that we ought to do.
- 16:47S5: You know, when we find ourselves in that position, first
- 16:49S5: of all, it's always pretty dangerous for us to take
- 16:52S5: stock of our own circumstances. Moses face shone, and he
- 16:57S5: wished not. He didn't realize that he had such a
- 16:59S5: shining face. And I often in pastoral ministry, counsel with
- 17:03S5: people who feel just as you're describing. But when I'm
- 17:07S5: able to point out to them a different reality from
- 17:10S5: what they subjectively are experiencing, it often is enough to
- 17:14S5: set them free. It's also true to say, though, that
- 17:17S5: faith is a muscle, and like any other muscle, if
- 17:21S5: it is not exercised, it atrophies. And so then we
- 17:25S5: want to look and see whether we are enjoying a
- 17:29S5: proper use of the means of grace, the fellowship of
- 17:32S5: God's people, the instruction of God's Word, the sharing in
- 17:37S5: the sacraments, and so on. These are the things that
- 17:39S5: God has provided for his people in order that we
- 17:42S5: might remain on track. If all of those things are
- 17:45S5: in place, then it may well be that we're just
- 17:49S5: experiencing a season in our souls, a time when it
- 17:53S5: doesn't seem like much is going on just at the
- 17:55S5: same time during winter, it looks from the surface that
- 17:59S5: nothing's happening. But in actual fact, a lot is going on,
- 18:02S5: and sometimes we just need to content ourselves in that
- 18:06S5: respect and trust that God is doing what he has
- 18:09S5: promised to do. I mean, why would he not? He
- 18:11S5: saved us in order to make us like Jesus. Why
- 18:13S5: would he quit on the project?
- 18:15S2: Oh so well put. Alistair Begg, host of truth For life,
- 18:20S2: weekdays right here on Moody Radio, also author of we
- 18:23S2: Will Be Changed Nine inner glories the spirit is cultivating
- 18:26S2: in you. Just text spirit. We'll send you the details.
- 18:29S2: Text spirit to 805 557898, spirit to 805 557898.
- 18:39S1: Get to know the team behind the scenes. Follow Carl
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- 18:45S2: Well, one of the most difficult things in our walk
- 18:48S2: with the Lord is those seasons where we feel like
- 18:51S2: we are waiting on God for something. We've been praying,
- 18:55S2: we've been believing, maybe even we've received what we feel
- 18:58S2: like is a word or a confirmation or even a
- 19:00S2: promise from the Lord. And yet we don't see it yet.
- 19:03S2: My guest knows a little bit about seasons of waiting.
- 19:06S2: Casey Nicole Harlow. She is a popular Bible teacher, YouTuber, writer, speaker.
- 19:12S2: Her greatest joy is seeing lives transformed through knowing Jesus Christ.
- 19:16S2: You have been in seasons of waiting yourself, and my
- 19:20S2: guess is if you're like me, you probably weren't like, yay!
- 19:23S2: I get to wait a little bit on what? What
- 19:26S2: are you talking about?
- 19:27S6: It's the best thing ever. Yes. No. Waiting seasons are
- 19:31S6: so tough, especially when you're in it. And like you said,
- 19:33S6: you've been praying and hoping and not seeing things changing
- 19:36S6: and maybe seeing the people around you get the thing
- 19:37S6: that you're praying for. And I think it starts to
- 19:39S6: bring this heart question to the surface, no matter what
- 19:42S6: you're waiting for. Of God. Do you see me? Do
- 19:44S6: you care? Do you? You know I know that you're good.
- 19:47S6: But are you good to me? Do you have good
- 19:48S6: things for me? And really just wrestling with him with
- 19:50S6: a lot of those questions?
- 19:51S2: Yeah. She's got a book out this month. It's called
- 19:54S2: So Much Better Daring to Trust God when you're waiting,
- 19:56S2: impatient and expectant. Tell me a little bit of your
- 20:00S2: own story, Casey. First of all, how did you come
- 20:03S2: to faith in Christ? Was that early on for you?
- 20:06S2: Was that a little bit later on in life?
- 20:08S6: Yeah, it's actually really cool because it started with my dad.
- 20:11S6: It's always really beautiful to think of how God is
- 20:13S6: pursuing even the things that lay a foundation for how
- 20:17S6: we are then introduced to him. And so my dad
- 20:19S6: was actually a truck driver who happened to be listening
- 20:21S6: to a radio station and heard the gospel, which is
- 20:25S6: really cool. And he started listening over a period of
- 20:27S6: months and called in and gave his life to the Lord.
- 20:29S6: That was when I was about six years old. And
- 20:31S6: so really, as far back as I remember, I remember
- 20:34S6: growing up in a Christian home as my dad was learning,
- 20:36S6: you know what it looks like to follow Jesus and
- 20:38S6: taking our family to church, and then started going to
- 20:40S6: a Christian school. And so I really grew up hearing
- 20:42S6: the gospel and gave my life to the Lord when
- 20:45S6: I was nine years old. But it really wasn't until
- 20:48S6: life stopped working the way that I wanted it to work.
- 20:51S6: And really, when I ran into this waiting season, that
- 20:54S6: my relationship with God shifted from something where this is
- 20:57S6: what I know and what I grew up with, and
- 20:58S6: I have all the right answers to God is really
- 21:01S6: exposing my own brokenness and my own sinfulness. And the
- 21:04S6: gospel isn't just this thing. I know now that Jesus
- 21:07S6: died for my sins, but I'm recognizing just the weight
- 21:09S6: of my sinfulness, the weight of my brokenness and my
- 21:12S6: need for him, and really just growing into more of
- 21:15S6: an intimate relationship with him and love for his word.
- 21:18S2: So as best you can. You said life stopped working
- 21:21S2: the way you kind of thought it should. What. What
- 21:24S2: was the picture in your mind of the should and
- 21:27S2: where was life falling short for you?
- 21:30S6: So I, from a young age really deeply desired marriage.
- 21:33S6: For me, that was the really the pain point in
- 21:35S6: the waiting story. I know for people, it's, it's different things.
- 21:38S6: We're all waiting for different things. Maybe it's marriage healing,
- 21:41S6: a baby, waiting for God to just show you what
- 21:43S6: your purpose is or a meaningful job. But for me,
- 21:47S6: that thing was marriage. And I had a plan that
- 21:50S6: I was going to get married young. I was going
- 21:51S6: to go to college, graduate with my master's degree with
- 21:54S6: that ring by spring. And God had other plans because
- 21:57S6: his timeline and, and plans are often, you know, different
- 22:00S6: than our own. And so instead, I ended up walking
- 22:02S6: through most of my 20s, which I understand is still,
- 22:04S6: you know, not waiting so long. But for me, it
- 22:07S6: was a decade of kind of timeline shifting differently than
- 22:11S6: I had imagined. And watching so many of my best
- 22:14S6: friends get married step into those roles of wife and mom. Meanwhile,
- 22:18S6: really seeing no movement in that area of my life.
- 22:20S6: And really, that's where I started to wonder, like, God,
- 22:22S6: do you see me? But in that, God allowed me
- 22:25S6: to walk through a couple of different things, particularly rejection
- 22:28S6: in a couple different ways. That was really my first
- 22:30S6: meaningful experience with that. That again, he used to just
- 22:33S6: show me like, these are good desires, but these things
- 22:36S6: aren't going to give you your identity and your purpose.
- 22:38S6: And instead, he allowed me to find that in him
- 22:41S6: first in intimacy with him, where the Bible shifted from
- 22:44S6: being this thing that was, you know, the answer to
- 22:46S6: my Bible homework, to God's living and active word that
- 22:49S6: I just fell in love with. I fell in love
- 22:50S6: with him through it, and he just began to minister
- 22:53S6: to my heart. And from that, there was an overflow
- 22:55S6: of fruitfulness in him working through me and just discovering
- 22:58S6: in that this deep desire to share biblical truth and
- 23:01S6: encouragement with other people. And so he really just did
- 23:04S6: a lot in that waiting season.
- 23:06S2: Yeah. What was exposed in your own heart during that
- 23:10S2: season of waiting?
- 23:11S6: I think that some of it is, like I said,
- 23:14S6: just the, the identity piece, realizing that these things I
- 23:17S6: desired their good desires and oftentimes the things we desire
- 23:20S6: are good desires, even biblical desires. That doesn't mean they're
- 23:23S6: necessarily biblical guarantees, but anything that we put above Jesus is,
- 23:28S6: you know, it's not going to give us a sense
- 23:30S6: of identity and purpose that we hope that it will.
- 23:32S6: And so God started to kind of just shift that
- 23:34S6: and show me like I already have identity and purpose
- 23:37S6: in him and in who he says that I am.
- 23:39S6: And then really just exposing, you know, other things in
- 23:42S6: my heart as well. Like I said, I think growing
- 23:44S6: up I understood the gospel is that Jesus died for
- 23:46S6: my sins, but I also think I've really viewed myself
- 23:49S6: as the good Christian girl who is, you know, afraid
- 23:52S6: to do anything wrong or get in trouble in school
- 23:54S6: and kind of always did the right thing and said
- 23:56S6: the right thing and did anything to avoid standing out
- 23:58S6: or rocking the boat. And God began to show me like, oh,
- 24:01S6: you know, maybe like the big things that people talk
- 24:04S6: about that you avoid when you're in the Christian school,
- 24:06S6: maybe those aren't a part of your story, but there's
- 24:07S6: a lot of things in your heart, a lot of pride,
- 24:10S6: the inner heart, things that he began to expose and
- 24:12S6: cleanse me of. I think it's so beautiful to remember
- 24:15S6: that when God exposes things in our heart, you know,
- 24:17S6: Scripture talks about how God is light and in him
- 24:20S6: is no darkness. But when God exposes things in our heart,
- 24:23S6: he's not casting this bright spotlight on us on a
- 24:26S6: stage to shame us. Rather, when it talks about how
- 24:29S6: he is light, he is this search light that is
- 24:31S6: seeking out and searching out the deepest parts of our
- 24:34S6: heart and our life. Because he wants to know us.
- 24:37S6: He wants to love us and bring us into his healing,
- 24:40S6: his light, his freedom. And so when he exposes, it's
- 24:43S6: never for the purpose of leaving us exposed or shamed.
- 24:46S6: It's for the purpose of bringing us healing, because he
- 24:48S6: doesn't want us to live in that place where we're
- 24:50S6: having to live in shame, in darkness.
- 24:52S2: Yeah. Now, before we get to your current state, because
- 24:56S2: spoiler alert, she is now married. But before we get
- 25:00S2: to that, I'm sure you wrestled with the the spiritual
- 25:04S2: reality that there are certain things that are promised in Scripture,
- 25:08S2: and there are certain things that sometimes we can hold
- 25:10S2: on to as his promises that aren't so. Marriage isn't
- 25:15S2: promised to the believer. Even if we faithfully desire it,
- 25:19S2: we know that children are not promised to every believer,
- 25:23S2: even if they are longed for. I'm sure you wrestled
- 25:27S2: with the reality that the waiting sometimes doesn't have an
- 25:31S2: end date in this on this side of heaven. Speak
- 25:35S2: to that a little bit, because I know that your
- 25:37S2: goal is not to get people to wait until they
- 25:40S2: get what they want, because sometimes God doesn't give us
- 25:43S2: that right.
- 25:44S6: One of the things I talk a lot about in
- 25:46S6: the book is how, you know, story is defined as
- 25:48S6: a character who wants something and has to overcome something
- 25:51S6: to get it. But the purpose of the story isn't
- 25:53S6: actually whether the character gets what she wants. The purpose
- 25:56S6: of the story is the character transformation that happens along
- 25:59S6: the way. When you watch a good movie, you're moved
- 26:01S6: by how the character arc has changed throughout the course
- 26:04S6: of the story. And really, that is God's heart for us,
- 26:07S6: is that he's lovingly uses everything he allows us to
- 26:10S6: walk through, whether that is a weight that lasts a
- 26:12S6: year or ten years or a lifetime weight to draw
- 26:15S6: us more into his heart and to make us look
- 26:18S6: more like him. And so that's something that God really
- 26:20S6: began to shift that perspective for me in the waiting season.
- 26:23S6: And as for that practical question, because I think that's
- 26:26S6: a fear that really comes up in waiting is, you know,
- 26:28S6: is God asking me to just keep praying, to keep
- 26:30S6: trusting him, to keep waiting? Or is the fact that
- 26:33S6: he hasn't answered this prayer yet an indication that this
- 26:36S6: isn't something he has for me? And there's two things
- 26:39S6: I want to share here that were really, really helpful
- 26:40S6: to me. The first is this realization I had that,
- 26:44S6: you know, I don't know the answer to whether or
- 26:46S6: not this is an answer. God is eventually going to
- 26:48S6: give in this lifetime. But there's really only three things
- 26:51S6: I can do. I can worry about this. And Philippians
- 26:55S6: four six through seven tells us, do not worry about anything,
- 26:58S6: but in everything through prayer and petition, bring your requests
- 27:01S6: to God with thanksgiving. And so the Bible kind of
- 27:04S6: instantly eliminates option number one, which is to worry. The
- 27:07S6: second option is to try to put it out of
- 27:10S6: our minds, right? To sort of just try to numb
- 27:11S6: ourselves to this desire. But if you've ever walked through
- 27:14S6: a waiting season where you just so deeply desire something,
- 27:17S6: you know that that's really not a very effective option
- 27:19S6: to just try to not think about it. And also,
- 27:22S6: even if you're able to somehow succeed in not thinking
- 27:24S6: about it and just numbing yourself to that desire. I
- 27:27S6: think when we numb ourselves to that, we're going to
- 27:29S6: end up numbing ourselves to a lot of other really
- 27:30S6: beautiful things in life as well, and maybe even to
- 27:33S6: God himself. We're going to harden our hearts and make
- 27:35S6: ourselves bitter toward him, potentially. And so that's really not
- 27:38S6: an effective or helpful option either. And so the third
- 27:40S6: option is to pray about it. And that goes back
- 27:42S6: to the fear of what if I just continue to
- 27:44S6: pray about this thing and it isn't something God has
- 27:47S6: for me. But if we continue to pray about something,
- 27:50S6: we know that prayer changes things. And so over time,
- 27:52S6: God is going to use that prayer to bring about change,
- 27:55S6: either in our circumstance by answering that prayer or in us,
- 27:59S6: or a lot of times both. And so there's really
- 28:02S6: not a loss to continuing to invest prayer in it
- 28:05S6: because one, it's building our relationship with God, and God
- 28:08S6: is going to move through our prayers in the way
- 28:10S6: that is according to his good will for us. And
- 28:12S6: so what we can do in the waiting is to
- 28:14S6: be faithful with what God has already made known to
- 28:16S6: us through His Word, through what he's given us right now, today,
- 28:19S6: in front of us to do in our lives. And
- 28:21S6: as we're faithful with that, he's going to continue to
- 28:23S6: lead us into what he has for us.
- 28:25S2: Casey. Nicole Harlow with us right now, she is a
- 28:28S2: popular YouTube writer speaker. Her greatest joy is to see
- 28:32S2: lives transformed through Jesus Christ. So, okay, tell us, how
- 28:37S2: did you meet your husband? How did God reveal to
- 28:41S2: you that the answer is yes, and this is who
- 28:44S2: I have for you?
- 28:46S6: Well, it's actually a beautiful story, and I'm not going
- 28:48S6: to spoil all the details because I kind of go
- 28:50S6: more into it in the book. And let's just say
- 28:52S6: that God really surprised me through my husband in the
- 28:54S6: most beautiful way. And it really showed me that sometimes
- 28:57S6: we have such a clear idea of how God is
- 29:00S6: going to answer our prayers, that we almost are blinded
- 29:03S6: to the ways that he might surprise us. It happened
- 29:06S6: in a way that surprised me, just in terms of
- 29:08S6: all of the details of how it happened. In short,
- 29:10S6: we were serving in the youth group at our church together,
- 29:13S6: and he was with the same grade of guys as
- 29:15S6: the girls that I had. So we kind of went
- 29:17S6: up through that together, and he had kind of had
- 29:19S6: his eye on me. He was two years younger, so
- 29:21S6: I was like, oh, I'm not dating anybody younger, but God.
- 29:24S6: God had other plans and I'm so thankful for that.
- 29:27S2: Casey. Nicole Harlow. I want to get you more. You're
- 29:29S2: listening and you're going, okay, I think I, I want
- 29:32S2: to listen to her more. I want to check out
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- 29:54S1: Standing on the rock each and every day. You're listening
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- 30:01S3: Are we grateful in those times that we're waiting on God?
- 30:04S3: You're listening to Carl and crew takes me to Psalm 4610.
- 30:08S3: Be still and know that I am God. Being still
- 30:12S3: and waiting on God, we. Of course, we heard that
- 30:14S3: interview with Casey Harlow on her waiting room and her
- 30:17S3: story and her testimony. But waiting on God. It can
- 30:20S3: be difficult. We want answers. We want direction. We want movement.
- 30:23S3: We want it right now. But sometimes God calls us
- 30:27S3: to stop striving and to trust. Be still. Does it
- 30:32S3: mean to do nothing forever? Just means yes, surrendering our
- 30:36S3: control and the outcome to him. We wait on God.
- 30:40S3: We learn his timing and it's not the same for everyone.
- 30:43S3: And it's of course not the same as our timing,
- 30:45S3: but his presence is always with us. His timing is
- 30:48S3: always perfect. We can trust and we trust his character.
- 30:51S3: We trust that next step when he leads. So ask
- 30:55S3: the Lord today in prayer that you can be still
- 30:58S3: and not rush ahead to have the patience while you
- 31:01S3: are waiting in that room and being still and knowing
- 31:05S3: that God is in control, you may be in that
- 31:09S3: waiting room, my friend. Let this song, that Psalm 4610
- 31:12S3: minister to you this morning. I'm Carlin crew.
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