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Virginia Roberts Giuffre’s Deposition in Edwards and Cassell v. Alan Dershowitz (Part 4) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the Virginia Roberts deposition in
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  the lawsuit against Alan Dershowitz. Question how did you know well?
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  Was this the first time that you had met Professor Dershowitz? Answer? No,
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  Question how many times did you had met him before
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  this event? Answer? Dershowitz was around a lot, so I
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  mean I couldn't count how many times had I met him?
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  Question what's your best recollection? Answer? Are you asking me
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  to guess? Question I'm asking for your best recollection answer.
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  I couldn't give you a number. I'm not too sure.
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  He was around a lot. Question When you say he
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  was around, what do you mean by that? Answer? He
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  obviously did a lot of work for Jeffrey. I'm not
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  too sure what that work was. Question did you ever
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  talk to him? Answer? I was introduced to him. Question
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  when were you first introduced to him? Answer? I believe
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  the first time I was introduced to him would have
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  been in New York. Question putting aside the first introduction,
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  did you ever have a conversation with Professor Dershowitz? Answer?
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  Besides formalities. No. Question did Professor Dershowitz tell you why
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  he was in New Mexico? Answer no, I'm assuming they're
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  for the conference or the get together the politicians get together,
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  not politicians, sorry, academic get together. Question How did you
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  know that this was an academic get together? Answer because
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  they were talking about most of the things I can't
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  really understand, just scientific stuff. Question were you there for
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  that portion of the evening? Answer? Yeah, I ate dinner
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  at the table. Question was there anything other than the
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  dinner that was going on during this three day, two
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  one week's stay in New Mexico? Answer? Generally, there always was.
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  I mean I would do a horseback riding, I would
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  go for a walk. If you're asking me if there
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  was another event. No, but that was one of Jeffrey's
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  places that he liked to stay. Question Where did Professor
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  Dershowitz stay? Answer upstairs in the room. Question how long
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  did he stay for? Answer I'm not too sure. Question
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  what's your best recollection? Answer? I only remember seeing him
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  there for a day. Question and you didn't see him?
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  Was this dinner party at the end of the trip there?
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  Answered the first day? Question? So then after the first
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  day you didn't see Professor Dershowitz again. Answer, I didn't
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  see anyone else except for obviously Epstein Maxwell redacted the
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  house staff. Question how many people other than Professor Dershowitz
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  stayed at the ranch during the trip? Answer? Nobody else
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  stayed except for the people I just mentioned. Question I'm sorry,
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  I thought that Professor Dershowitz spent the night. Answer he
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  could have spent the night, but I'm saying I didn't
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  see him the next day. I don't know if he
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  left that day or I don't know if he stayed
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  the night. But all the rooms were upstairs. If he
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  would have stayed, he would have stayed upstairs. Question So
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  you don't know one way or the other whether he stayed.
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  Answer no, I don't know whether he stayed. Question what
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  year was this? Answer? I don't know. I was with
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  Jeffrey from ninety nine until two thousand and two, so
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  it's a broad spectrum of trying to remember times and dates.
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  Question you definitely remember this dinner party though, right answer yeah.
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  Question you remember that there were fifteen or so academics
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  and scientists right answer yes. Question, and you remember that
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  you had sex with Professor Dershowitz right answer yes. Question
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  you remember everybody left after the dinner party? Right answer yes.
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  Question So what would help you fix this in your mind?
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  Had you already met redacted but for this dinner party? Answer?
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  You know, I don't think so. But I don't think so.
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  Question why do you say that? Answer? Because redacted happened
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  when I was seventeen? You know I can't one hundred
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  percent say if it happened before or after, and me
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  trying to pinpoint that down just wouldn't work. Question did
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  you tell anybody about having sex with Professor Dershowitz? Answer
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  besides Epstein? Question So you told Epstein? Answer yes, Epstein.
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  Question did you tell anybody else? Answer Maxwell? Question anyone else? Answer?
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  I told my boyfriend at the time that I had
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  met him. Who was your boyfriend at the time? Answer redacted?
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  Question you didn't say anything else other than you had
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  met Professor Dershowitz. Answer I told him I was very
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  upset from one of the things I had to do,
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  but he didn't fully comprehend what I was talking about.
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  Did you tell anybody else? Mister Scrolla interjects, excuse me,
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  can you set a time? Miss Borgia? Question at any
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  time in your entire life. Answer, oh, at any time.
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  Scrolla are we excluding attorney client privilege communication borgia other
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  than your attorneys? Did you tell anybody else? Answer yeah,
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  I told my best friend redacted my mother, and I
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  think that that's about it. Question when did you tell
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  your mother? Answer within the last couple of years? Question
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  what did you tell her? Answer? I didn't go into
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  details with her. I just said that he's one of
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  the people that abused me. Question did you say anything
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  else to your mother about Professor Dershowitz other than generally
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  he abused you? And that draws an objection from Sigared McAuley.
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  Objection asked an answered special master you can answer answer no,
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  just I mean obviously characterization about who he is and
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  what he is. But I didn't go into details with her,
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  if that's what you're asking. Question what did you tell
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  herd acted? Answer that he was one of my abusers?
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  Question did you say anything else? Answer about Alan Dershowitz
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  A question yes, answer in regards to what question did
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  you say anything else about Professor Dershowitz two or adacted? Answer?
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  I need a little more specifics. Did I tell her
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  about the details? Question anything about Professor Dershowitz anything. I'm
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  not excluding or narrowing it in any way. McCauley objection,
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  to the extent you can answer that answer. I told
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  her who he was. I might have told her specifics.
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  I'm not too sure. I can't recall. We're going back
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  over a year ago. Question when did you have or
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  how many conversations did you have with redacted about Professor Dershowitz. Answer.
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  It wouldn't be like a full blown conversation like long
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  talks about it. It would be more from girlfriend. The
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  girlfriend just you know, this is what's happening in my life.
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  You know, these are one of the people that abused me.
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  These are one of the people that I'd like to
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  get brought to justice for it. She asked me the question,
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  like what happened? And I explained to her what was
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  going on. I don't know how many times that I've
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  had conversations with her. Question about Professor Dershowitz. Answer about
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  Professor Dershowitz. Question is redacted a truthful person? Answer? I
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  used to think she was. Question you don't think so now?
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  Answer no. Question Have you had a falling out with redacted? Answer? Yes?
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  Question have you called or redacted and told her not
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  to talk to Professor Dershowitz. Answer not in that way.
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  I told her, I can't believe that you're talking to
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  somebody in my own words a pedophile. Question did you
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  tell her not to talk to anyone else about Professor Dershowitz? Answer?
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  Did I tell her not to talk to anybody else
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  about Professor Dershowitz like talking about her husband? Question? Did
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  you tell her redacted not to talk to anybody about
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  Professor Dershowitz? Answer? Did I tell her redacted not to talk?
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  And she gets cut off by McAuley objection To the
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  extent you didn't understand the question, you can ask for
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  it to be reasked. Answer, I don't understand what you're asking.
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  Question why did you think that were redacted was a
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  truthful person in the past? Answer I've known her since
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  I was a kid, and I love her like a sister.
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  Question in your experience in knowing her since you were
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  a kid, you found her to be truthful? Answer? Yes,
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  I have question when did you first tell redacted about
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  Professor Dershowitz? Answer? I believe I was on the island
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  Jeffrey's Island. Question what was your best estimate of when
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  this was. Answer, I don't know. It's always hot in
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  the Caribbean, so I can't pinpoint the season. Question did
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  you tell her redacted that Professor Dershowitz and your words
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  was a pedophile? Answer? Yes, I did. Question did you
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  tell anybody else McAuley outside of the comments to your
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  lawyer Borgia, other than to your lawyers? Answer the people
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  that I told you, my mom, my husband, and you
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  said redacted. Her might have been present on some of
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  the conversations, but I'm not too sure if he was
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  just my lawyers. Question did you ever tell the press
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  that you had sex with mister Dershowitz. McCauley objection any
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  question regarding the press. We're already quashed by the judge
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  and we have an order standing on that, so there
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  will be no questions regarding the press. Borgia, there is
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  no such order from the court. McCauley, there is, and
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  I'll be happy to pass it out, Special Master. Can
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  you please share McCauley. They issued a subpoena and he
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  quashed certain discovery or requests, and that's included any discovery're
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  relating to press. Here is a chart that has the
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  request for the ones that should be quashed. Special Master,
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  I've read this. I've read McCauley cuts them off, those
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  that have the numbers heshed. He quashed certain categories of discovery,
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  Miss Borgia, can I be heard, Special Master? Are you
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  finished making your objection? McCauley, I just want to be
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  clear that there are a certain categ gorries of discovery
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  that he quashed in a response to my motion to
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  quash this deposition, and he narrowed out categories that were
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  not subject to discovery in this case for this non
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  party witness. Special Master, okay, And I'm looking at both
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  the order and a chart that was provided by Miss McCauley.
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  Miss Borgia. The judge ruled on the production documents. The
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  judge did not narrow the scope of testimony of a
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  fact witness in that way. She was not required to
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  produce certain documents. We're certainly entitled to check the veracity
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  of the witness testimony. Special Master, I'm going to overrule
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  the objection. You can answer, McCauley. Can we take a break, Borgia?
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  There is a question pending. You can't take a break
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  while there is a question pending. McCauley. We're going to
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  take a break because this is a judge's order and
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  we're going to determine whether we need to call Judge
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  Lynch at this time to deal with the order. So
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  we are going to take a break at this time. Borgia,
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  I object to taking a break while there's a question pending.
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  Special Master, Well, I'm going to let her take a
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  break so she can make a record. I need to
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  allow her to protect it, Borgia, can you put the
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  time on the record. Videographer going off the video record
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  at ten twenty three am. So they get back on
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  the record and the Special Master says there was a
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  question pending. Virginia, would you like that to be answered
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  now McAuley really quickly. I want to make my record
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  in advance of her answering that I believe that the question,
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  this line of questioning is in violation of Judge Lynch's
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  order where he struck certain requests relating to the subpoena,
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  and we have a standing objection to that, and we'll
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  take it up with Judge Lynch, but at this time
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  will allow her to answer the question, subject to our
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  ability to strike that testimony as a result of it
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  being non applicable here because of his prior ruling, Special Master,
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  so you understand my ruling. I've reviewed, I've had an
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  opportunity to review both the original objections made, the series
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  of objections made the order, as well as the chart
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  that was provided by Miss McCauley with respect to what
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  was stricken on the subpoena. And for the purpose of
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  the record, we'll go ahead and have this mark so
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  we can preserve the record. And as to what I'm
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  referring to my ruling, Miss Borgia, we can make a
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  compilation Exhibit VR three. Thereupon, defending VR Exhibit number three
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  was marked for identification, Special Master. My ruling stance and
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  I don't have an issue with you having a continuing objection.
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  But the witness now can answer McCauley. Do you want
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  the question read back to you, Virginia, No, I should
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  just go ahead and say it, Special Master, go ahead
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  and read back the question last question read back by
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  the court, Special Master, subject to the continuing objection. You
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  can now answer, Virginia. I thought the question was if
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  I ever called them a pedophile to the press. Wasn't
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  that the question, Special Master? No answer. I did point
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  them out to a journalist as one of my abusers?
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  Question what journalist? Answer Sharon Churcher. Question when did you
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  do that? Answer? I believe it was twenty eleven? Question
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  what did you tell Ms? Churchier? Answer? I just pointed
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  him out? Question what do you mean? I was given
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  a picture to look at, and he asked me which
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  one of the people I recognized as abusers? And Alan
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  Dershowitz was one of those. Question how many pictures did
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  you look at? Answer I'm not too sure. Question what's
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  your best recollection? Answer over forty? Question did you pick
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  out anybody else as one of your abusers? Answer? Yes?
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  Question who was that? Answer Jeffrey Epstein, Glenn Maxwell redacted,
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  Glenn Dubin redacted. I believe that's all I can remember
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  for now. Question was one of the pictures of redacted? Answer?
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  Possibly yes? Question was one of the pictures of redacted?
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  Answer again possibly yes. Probably I'm not committing one hundred
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  percent to that. I can't remember exactly who she showed,
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  but if they were there, I would have pointed to them.
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  Question was one of the pictures of redacted? Again possibly yes.
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  If they were there, I would have pointed them out.
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  Question where did the pictures come from? Do you know? Answer?
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  No question. Where are the people that were in the
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  photos that you did not identify as individuals to whom
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  had been sexually trafficked McCauley objection. You can answer answer yes,
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  all right. We're going to wrap up right here and
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  in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going
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  to pick up where we left off. All of the
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