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RAKING: Bottom of Angels order is the top of the heap in Freeway Series-salvaging win over Dodgers · Halo Territory: A Los Angeles Angels Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Blay Angel fans and welcome back to Halo territory. I
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: am Mike DiGiovanna, former La Times Baseball writer and host
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: of the show, joined by Mark Trumbull, the former Angels
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  Speaker 1: slugger my regular co host. Well Mark, it Sunday afternoon.
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: We're taping The sun is out all as well in
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  Speaker 1: Angels Land, at least for one day. How about that
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  Speaker 1: game against the Dodgers today? These six through nine hitters
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  Speaker 1: in the Angels lineup, Joe Adell, Nick Madrigal, Jose Siri
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  Speaker 1: and Sebastian Rivero combined to go thirteen for fifteen with
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  Speaker 1: ten runs, ten RBIs, a homer, and four walks in
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  Speaker 1: Sundays thirteen to five win, which salvaged a three game
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  Speaker 1: series Angels lost the first two games, and salvage one
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  Speaker 1: win out of the six games against the Dodgers this year,
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  Speaker 1: after the Angels, of course, famously went six and zero
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  Speaker 1: against the Dodgers last year. Mark, what'd you see out
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  Speaker 1: there today? And these at bats from the bottom of
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  Speaker 1: the order and how they really carried this team today?
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  Speaker 2: Magical, It was unbelievable. Everyone was hyped. If you didn't
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  Speaker 2: feel the energy coming through your speakers, you weren't paying
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  Speaker 2: attention these guys. You know what, this was a scrappy performance.
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  Speaker 2: It's a different look. It's the guys that are trying
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  Speaker 2: to do the opposite of maybe what the early season
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  Speaker 2: strategy was, especially a guy like Madrigal. He single handedly,
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  Speaker 2: I think, may have ran two pitchers out of that ballgame.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I'll tell you what had the toughest
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  Speaker 2: day of them all. I think was homeplate umpire Dan
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  Speaker 2: i Asonia. I'm not sure what if he wasn't getting
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  Speaker 2: a good look. Yeah, what happened. He's a veteran, but
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  Speaker 2: that that was not a good performance.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't look at the box score. Did he miss?
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  Speaker 1: Did he have like six or seven calls overturned? And
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  Speaker 1: one of them I didn't. I think it was so
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  Speaker 1: far outside they didn't even put the number of inches outside.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, he's going to look back on that one
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  Speaker 1: and wonder what the heck happened. But the four bottom
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  Speaker 1: of the order hitters for the Angels, We'll look it
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  Speaker 1: back at this one quite fondly. Sebastian Rivero, the number
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  Speaker 1: nine hitter, backup catcher, rarely plays. He entered today with
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  Speaker 1: eight career RBIs he had five hits and six RBIs,
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  Speaker 1: including really his first two hits were a pair of
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  Speaker 1: two run singles, and granted both of them barely hit
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  Speaker 1: the outfield grass, one with the infield in, but they
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  Speaker 1: both came in the first four innings, which got the
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  Speaker 1: Angels off to a good start. Adele went four to
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  Speaker 1: five with a mammoth four hundred and thirty three foot
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  Speaker 1: two run homer in the seventh, and at that time
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  Speaker 1: it was six to five, so that pushed the Angels
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  Speaker 1: lead to eight to five. And Magical, as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: drew three walks and saw thirty seven pitches in the game,
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  Speaker 1: fourteen during a second ending walk in which he challenged
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  Speaker 1: two strike calls that were overturned, and twelve during a
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  Speaker 1: fifth ending walk. And I did screenshot Madrigals at bat
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  Speaker 1: in the second look at all those pitches. I think
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  Speaker 1: he hit like eight. He fouled off eight two strike pitches. Mark,
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  Speaker 1: you use the word scrappy, and yeah, I agree. Nothing
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  Speaker 1: could be more apropos to describe today's offensive effort. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know much about Nick Madrigal other than that he
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  Speaker 1: played most of his career in Chicago before this year.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how much playing time. He's going to
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  Speaker 1: get moving forward, but he is. He's put a little
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  Speaker 1: more grit into this lineup. We talked about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Mechler and some of the other guys doing the same.
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  Speaker 1: How do you foul? How do you foul off that
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  Speaker 1: many pitches?
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  Speaker 3: First of all? And what are those bats? Like? What's
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  Speaker 3: the long Do you remember the longest that bat of
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  Speaker 3: your career? No?
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  Speaker 2: I don't. But Nidrigall was a first round pick. It's
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  Speaker 2: not as if he was some unheralded he was a prospect.
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  Speaker 2: He got to the big leagues very quickly, and his
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  Speaker 2: game is exactly this. It's he's not a big guy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen him in person.
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  Speaker 1: But I have a very small guy five seven.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean plenty of guys a small package can
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  Speaker 2: really play Altuve and quite a few others. Mookie is
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  Speaker 2: not a big guy either, so that that really isn't
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  Speaker 2: the point. I think that he is doing what I
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  Speaker 2: was talking about with Howie Kendrick. You saw a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the foul balls. You saw a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: foul balls go to the right side. So to me,
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  Speaker 2: that's somebody who is trying to use the whole field.
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  Speaker 2: I saw another player take a swing and I think
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  Speaker 2: he almost tumbled and did a three sixty falling to
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  Speaker 2: the ground. I can't remember who it was, but that
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  Speaker 2: player didn't look like they were trying to use necessarily
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  Speaker 2: the whole field. Argued with quite a few players today
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  Speaker 2: too with the umpire and then got into a home
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  Speaker 2: run and statuted it. So credit to him. Nice going, Bud.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what I wanted to ask you, is
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  Speaker 2: is Rivera? I mean, what a game for a guy
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  Speaker 2: you described as a backup catcher. I mean, can you
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  Speaker 2: afford to sit this guy?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that i'd start him, but
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  Speaker 1: he certainly deserves a little more playing time for me,
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  Speaker 1: just by on the fact of his defense is pretty solid.
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  Speaker 1: He does seem to do a better job of blocking
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  Speaker 1: balls in the dirt then the starting catcher. I will say,
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  Speaker 1: Logan has made some really strong throws at second base,
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  Speaker 1: caught a few guys stealing this past week. I heard
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  Speaker 1: on the broadcast he's trying a new catching stance. Good
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  Speaker 1: for him, hope it helps him. But at this point,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not so sure you're going to get that much
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  Speaker 1: less with the bat from Rivero now, today was obviously
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  Speaker 1: a career day for the guy. You know, he's not
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  Speaker 1: going to get multiple hits every game.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna ask because it sustainable or you don't
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  Speaker 2: think you hate that word, but I do not think
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  Speaker 2: this is sustainable.
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  Speaker 1: However, I think you would benefit by, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: by giving him some more bats. He does produce a
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  Speaker 1: little at the plate, and you have to pace your
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  Speaker 1: starting catcher. Your starting catcher cannot play five to six
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  Speaker 1: games a week, no matter how good you are in
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  Speaker 1: this league.
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  Speaker 3: It's just too much of a grind physically.
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  Speaker 1: I think he definitely earns some more playing time with
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  Speaker 1: today's game, So we'll see what happens moving forward. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a day in Angels Land without some
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  Speaker 1: questionable managerial moves and some strange things happening out there.
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  Speaker 3: But I want to revert back to.
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  Speaker 1: Something Joe Davis, the Dodgers broadcasters, said on Friday night's telecast.
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  Speaker 1: It was a zero zero game. I think it was
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  Speaker 1: either after the eighth they're going in the night, and
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  Speaker 1: he said the Angels quote have used their best two
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  Speaker 1: relievers and Chase Silseith and Sam Bachman already in the game.
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  Speaker 1: Then almost on cue, Kirby Yates leaves a ninth inning
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  Speaker 1: fastball up to Freddy Freeman. Reddy does what he does,
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  Speaker 1: crushes a walk off home run for a one nothing
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  Speaker 1: Dodgers win. Now, setting aside the fact that no team
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  Speaker 1: can survive with only two reliable relievers, it's clear that
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  Speaker 1: manager kurtzuzuki Can has to be very judicious in his
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  Speaker 1: use of Silseth and Bachman. So what the heck was
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  Speaker 1: sil Seth doing entering the game in the eighth inning
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  Speaker 1: Sunday with the Angels ahead twelve to five. And why
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  Speaker 1: did Sam Bachman come in to face Otani in the
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  Speaker 1: eighth when they had a left hander and Mitch Ferris
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  Speaker 1: warming up. Now, Kurt was smart to not bring Bakman
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  Speaker 1: back for the ninth after Sam through I think it
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  Speaker 1: was eight pitches to retire Otani. But the Angels over
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  Speaker 1: to opening a three game series against the Astros Monday night,
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  Speaker 1: and one of their two best relievers might not be
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  Speaker 1: available because they were used in a seven run game
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: What is going on here? Mark?
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to take a stab at it. I don't
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  Speaker 2: have any inside information. What I do know is last
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: year there was at least one ultimatum made pick it
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  Speaker 2: up or there'll be some changes, And this screams possibly
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  Speaker 2: that find a way to win as much as possible
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  Speaker 2: whenever possible. Logically, I have no clue why their two
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  Speaker 2: highest leverage relievers or at least best performing relievers were
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  Speaker 2: entering into a blowout game. Maybe we'll get an explanation after.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not counting on one. However, they did their job
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  Speaker 2: and the Angels won Salvage Day. Well, they got to win.
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: They lost another series. You wouldn't have known it, but
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: at least you know some positive news for the Angel
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  Speaker 2: fans that want that kind of thing. Some guys out
• 8:57
  Speaker 2: there battling through injury. I think we can get to that,
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  Speaker 2: laying it all on the line for their club and
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  Speaker 2: some other guys that are injured, and it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: a mixed bag. And the Astros are an improved club.
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  Speaker 2: They got some guys playing well, so you're gonna need
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  Speaker 2: all the arms. Grayson Rodriguez making the start tomorrow. He's
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  Speaker 2: averaging four and a third inning so far. Maybe he's
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  Speaker 2: able to go deeper. But I don't know how many
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  Speaker 2: guys are going to have the green light next to
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  Speaker 2: their name, if that's something you know they use those
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  Speaker 2: types of things. He's good or he's not gonna need
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  Speaker 2: everybody you can and used a lot today. Yeah, it
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: reachs a desperation to me. It's like every win is
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  Speaker 2: so precious of this team because they just are not
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  Speaker 2: that many. It's like you're using Chase Silset in a
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  Speaker 2: seven run game. Now it was me, I would have
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  Speaker 2: gone right to Ferris.
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  Speaker 1: You know, say he gives up, walks a guy, guy
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  Speaker 1: gets a hit, Otani goes deep.
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  Speaker 3: It's a four run game.
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  Speaker 1: Still at that point, you know, you still have plenty
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  Speaker 1: of margin for air for if you want to bring
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  Speaker 1: Silset in at that point. But as as we all know,
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: a big part of managing in this game and managing
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: a bullpen is managing two to three days ahead. You
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: don't just manage today's game. And maybe you know, I've
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: had years of covering a playoff World Series contending team
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: in the Dodgers, and that's been drummed into my head.
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  Speaker 3: Dave Roberts will not, you know.
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  Speaker 1: If he used the guys the last two nights and
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: there's a safe situation on that third night, he will
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: not use his closer that night, no matter what, because
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: they're playing for the you know, for the they're playing
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  Speaker 1: the long game, and you know the Angels right now
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: are playing the short game. It's like every win is
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  Speaker 1: so precious to them they're almost forced to make desperation moves.
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  Speaker 3: Like today, we're gonna.
• 10:42
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• 12:32
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Halo Territory with Mike Dgiovanna and Mark Trumbo.
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: Well Zach Netto hit a big three run home run
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: on the seventh inning Sunday to push a nine to
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  Speaker 1: five lead to twelve five, but he committed his twelfth
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: ERA of the season in the sixth inning. Remember, Zach
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: committed eleven errors in all of twenty twenty five, and
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: Sunday's era was costly. With runner on first, Nettlefield at
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  Speaker 1: Alex calls slow roller up the middle and had time
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: to flip to Oswald Parazza for the second out. Instead,
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: he throws to first base, wild throw that puts two on.
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: Dalton rushing hits a three run home run off Soriano
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  Speaker 1: and Ryan Ward fallows with a solo shot, and all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, the Dodgers pulled the winds within six
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  Speaker 1: or five at that point. Now we're gonna show you
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  Speaker 1: a picture. This is where Netto fielded the ball, and
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: you can see Parazza right on the second base bag,
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  Speaker 1: and I forget who was running there, but it appears
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  Speaker 1: he has plenty of time.
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  Speaker 2: To kind of looks like Kyle Tucker.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I was thinking it was Kyle Tucker.
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  Speaker 3: I forgot to go back and look.
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  Speaker 1: But Mark he had a similar play in that game
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  Speaker 1: where he I guess it was in Tampa where he
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: went to touch second base and missed it and didn't
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  Speaker 1: get it out at first either is this just another
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: there's a communication problems between him and Paraza. Is there
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: some kind of something is off here with Netto's defense.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: I can't really put my finger on it, but man,
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: he just looked like he had an easy out at
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  Speaker 1: second there and chose to make the tougher play at first.
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  Speaker 2: That is what I saw on the broadcast I heard.
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  Speaker 2: I think the same thing that you did. That Parrazza
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  Speaker 2: may have been at fault to some degree, and the
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: other play that happened that was very similar, maybe the same.
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  Speaker 2: I The picture there speaks for itself and for those
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: that are listening. Parraza is literally straddling as much as
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: anyone is going to, so he's available if needed. I think,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, and Zach is very talented, there's no
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: doubt about it. How much are we going to airtime,
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: you know, give to these topics. It's the fans can
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: decide for themselves that are still watching. If you're into it,
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: you know, he hit a home run down eight runs,
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to give him the benefit of it
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  Speaker 2: out because it's, you know, the questionable fair foul, but
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: he just doesn't move out of the box down eight runs.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's something. It's a look, it's it's not what
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  Speaker 2: I would have done, but nobody cares what I would
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  Speaker 2: have done. If he's having fun out there and he's
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: able to, you know, mix it up with Mookie at
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: second base when his team's just getting thrashed, that's that's
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: all good. Yeah, you know, if he plays well, I
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: will be the first one to give him, give him credit.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: It's been inconsistent so far, and I'm not sure the
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: Angels are playing the best short stop at short stop
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: that they have on the rosters.
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, at this point.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if they have so much
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: depth they can just afford to give zach netto days off.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: But I wonder you know, he's had I think was
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: it one game? Well, he had the games where he
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: was heard where he had the neck whiplash, and he
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: set out three games that really he hasn't set out
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: any game because of a non injury this season is
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: I know we're only in early June. I don't know
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: if the grind of the season is wearing him down mentally, physically, both.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, you have Piazza who can play shortstop.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: You have you know, Madri goal, you have a Frasier,
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  Speaker 1: who can play second? You got Donovan Walton still you
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: can play third? Would would would Zach benefit maybe from
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: at least a mental rest day here and now?
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: No, No, he's gonna play every day. He should play.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: He's a young guy. I don't have any advice for him.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: He doesn't want to hear it. If I did do
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: your thing, man, it's all good. Uh your career. I
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: have nothing left to offer on this topic.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, as we said, the Dodgers won the
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: first two games of this series, one nothing Friday night
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: on Freddy's walkoff Homer, and Saturday Night included another brutal
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  Speaker 1: start by Jack Honwitz. Got one out, gave up seven
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: runs on six hits, didn't make it out of the
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  Speaker 1: first inning. And Mark, you know, we talked a lot
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: about this kid already, and let's let's take a look
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: at the numbers, and they're not pretty. Jack's first seven
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: starts of the year, he was actually really good, two
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  Speaker 1: in one with a three point five e RA thirty strikeouts. Granted,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: the walks were high twenty one in forty one in
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  Speaker 1: the third innings. His last six starts zho to four
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  Speaker 1: with an eleven point five to one era, seventeen strikeouts,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: fifteen walks in twenty two and two thirds innings. Now,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: we were expecting to, you know, have some speculation on
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: what you would do with Jackie Honowitz, but that was
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: pretty much cleared up before Sunday's game when young Jack
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: was placed on the injured list because of an inflamed elbow,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: which I found kind of surprising because he was I
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: think he touched ninety nine and that start the other night.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't he did? He not?
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  Speaker 1: But surprisingly enough, Jack said the pain had been bothering
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: for like three stars, but it only seems to affect
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: him on change ups, which is not one of his
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: better pitches. So what's going on with Jack?
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: In your eyes? Why is he throwing a change up?
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: If one it hurts, and two it's probably your fourth
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: best pitch.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: If anyone has been listening, I'll cover it yet again,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Jack change up. Statistically it is his worst pitch. It
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: has been for multiple years now. Coming up in twenty
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: twenty four, he was somewhere around seventy two seventy three
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: percent sinker primarily a sinker ball pitcher, and he has
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: a slider. His slider rates as positive. He never uses
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: his slider anymore. Jack is leaning on his change up
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: for about twenty five percent of the time or more.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I believe he tips his change up as well. Nearly
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: certain of it. Hitters will also let you know by
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: the fact that they're all almost never fooled on it either.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: It generates a few whiffs, and that is what he's
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: sold out for. I think he's taken some advice. If
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: you were to do an Instagram search, it's pretty quick.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Type his name in and you'll see some of his
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: off season training. It's him doing what's trendy. And I'm
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: going to try and get the opinions of some pitchers
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: who know a lot better than me. But I see
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: what they're doing. They're hucking balls as hard as they
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: can in a velocity challenge. I highlighted some of the
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: hitting stuff I saw over the winner. I won't take
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: it back. I believe that, you know, I've seen enough
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: to know and Jack's change up per you know, his
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: training was the pitch they felt like he really needed
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: to lean into to generate whiffs. He's going for whiffs
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: and I don't. I mean, my opinion is he doesn't
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: need to do it. The analytics may say he would
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: benefit greatly from doing it, but I think he would
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: do a lot better off leaning into a more deceptive
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: delivery using his sinker. I see. I went back and
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I tried to find as many articles as I could,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: and all I keep saying is he can't get the feel.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: It's the field the feel, and the feel's a big deal.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: But why has the field gone away? I can only
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: surmise possibly because you are throwing. I think when he
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: came up in twenty four he was around ninety five
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: to ninety six miles an hour, and that's well above
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know in today's world. To me,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: it's well above average for a starting pitcher. Now he's
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: trying to light up the radar gun, but he doesn't
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: throw a heater that gets by anybody. He doesn't have
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: an explosive fastball. I faced many many pictures similar you know,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: big radar gun numbers. But to the eyes, if you
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: don't have deception doesn't matter getting a good look at it.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: And hitters are getting too good a look at him.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: He throws that change up. It's hurting his arm too.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Get rid of it, man, I mean, you're probably I'm
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: almost certain his glove flare is giving information away to
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: the hitter. I see the grip in there. You can
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: see it from second base, so I'm assuming the hitters
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: and if a runners on second, they're relaying it. I
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: think he's got to take a take a deep breath
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: while he's on the aisle get get things right. But
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, sinker slider. The numbers kind of prove that out.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: They don't. Kind of prove it out. They do. I'm
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: gonna get more opinions on this. There's my raw, unfiltered take.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: I think he's got a lot of potential. I really do.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's a lost cause, but he's got
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: He's got to get, you know, dive into something that's
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: gonna work for him, because so far it hasn't. Twenty
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: twenty four, he had a much better earned run average
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: and much different pitch mix.
• 21:42
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  Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back to Hello Territory with Mike Dgivonna and
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Mark Trumbo. Well the Angels did rep plays Jack on
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: the Roster with sam Aldengary on Sunday and the left
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: hander through five and third scoreless sittings in relief last week,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: but Kurtzuzuki did not necessarily commit to him as a
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: replacement in the rotation. I think the options there are
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Cayden Dana, who really struggled. I think he missed most
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: of the spring training with the was It mono and
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: is finally rounding.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: In the form.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: He's got a one point seventy six ERA in his
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: last four starts at Triple A. We've seen some of
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: George Klassan, who's one of their top pitching prospects. I
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: know Mark was high on Sammy Natara, who we first
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: got got a first look at this weekend. Who do
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: you like to replace Jack in the rotation at this point?
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Natara is a reliever. I don't think he's stretched out
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: a left so great start for him. Very happy. Seems
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: like a very happy kid in a good way. I
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: would be too if I debuted the Dodger Stadium and
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: had six. Yes, but I do think he has great stuff.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Limiting the walks is going to be his thing. But
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I wish him the best. I mean, it's that is
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: a great story. I think Ferris is probably the guy
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: that would compete against Alde Gary alder Gerry as the starter.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: So I don't see any reason why you wouldn't give
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: him another look. Classen is the one I'm probably highest
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: on out of, you know, anybody that's close to major
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: league ready. I still think his stuff is tremendous and
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I hope that he's the guy that's able to thrive eventually,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: sooner than later. But as far as Caiten Dana, not
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: enough games I think yet. For that reason, he probably
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: will be the one that starts, because I've gotten most
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: everything wrong trying to predict with the club. But I
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: don't know, that's a question for somebody else. I guess
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, we're.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Going to close the show talking about the first baseman,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Nolan shan Well. Now Nolan played, he was on the
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: IL played one rehab game at Rancho Class A Rancho
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: on was it Friday? Yeah, Friday, activated for Saturday's game,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: despite saying his ankle was quote and these are his words,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: super sore. After playing that one rehab game, he was
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: asked if he was concerned he could make it worse
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: by playing again. He said, I haven't really thought about it.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Mark what this was? This a bit of a head
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: scratching move for you the guys.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: You know, it's not like we're talking, you know, Willis
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Reid getting off the mat for Game seven here he's
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure whatever eighty percent of Nolan
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Shanwell is that is going to be better than another option.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: And granted, you know they're kind of scrambling a first
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: base with von Grissom missed the whole Dodger series with
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: some kind of rib cage issue. Was this kind of
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: a head scratcher for you? I?
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, you've covered a lot of baseball. Those comments he made.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Have you seen a lot of guys that would describe,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: you know, injuries and things like that. It stuck to me.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: It seemed a little bit odd. I don't think it's
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: something I would have said, but it's possibly just a
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: more transparent version of what's going on. He was brutally.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, what was the adjective they used? Super sore?
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Super sore? What do you make of that?
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know, man.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I think there's a level of ego involved in every
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Major League baseball player. I've always felt and said that
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: that's part of why these guys are major leaguers because
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: they think they're so damn good, and often they are.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: And I've seen so many guys over the years let
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: that ego get in the way of They let their
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: ego dictate that they're going to play hurt because it's
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: a macho thing to do, and they think that seventy
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: five or eighty percent of them is going to be
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: better than some guy who could come off the bench.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: And maybe in some cases that's true, but most more
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: often I think he comes back to bite him. I
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: don't know that there's a risk of a long term
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: injury with an ankle thing. Maybe he re injures it
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: and goes back in the iel, but maybe he just
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: felt a little pressure, given the Angel situation, their need
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: to win games and what their bench is really thin
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: right now, a little pressure to come back. But you know,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I saw him run out of ball a grounder Saturday night.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: He barely made it the first base. He looks okay
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: defensively to me. But the thing I'm thinking of, and
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: you can address this way better as a big league hitter,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: mark that back foot for a left handed hitter like
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: no one is huge. How does when you have an
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: ankle that is super sore. How does that can affect
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: your swing and your just your whole approach and effectiveness
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: in the box.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: On defense, there was a play today where he it
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: was somewhat of an in between play and excellent range.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: The throw was not the best, but Nolan essentially had
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: his back turned probably for the at least initial part,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: and the ball got by him. Because of his limited mobility,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I saw a lot of winsing. It looked like a
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: little bit of hobbling, even walking back to the dugout after.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I think one of his strikeouts looked you know, it
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: wasn't wasn't his normal gait. As far as it goes
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: with the medical it's hard to say. I think the
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: players dictate a lot of what happens. He played one
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: game in Rancho Cucamonga, nine innings after you know what
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: he's describing as it's incredibly you know, irritated. I guess
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: his ankle and it's just a nine inning game and
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: he's right back in there at Dodger Stadium facing some
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: premium pitching. Was a Yamamoto was the first game Yamamoto Saturday,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: and yeah, he wanted wanted a piece of him, and
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: he got it, but not not in the way that
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: we're talking about. I I honestly don't know. I know
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I can. My first year, my rookie year, I probably
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: played at least a month and a half on a
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: broken foot. I only found out when we finally got
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: it imaged, and I remember doctor Yoakum was like, what
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: I did know was it? It was not comfortable, but
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: it was not at the point where I was unable.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: It just eventually something finally gave, probably the bone, but
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: three pfps in a row, and I remember telling the
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: trainer at the time, hey man, this isn't good. And
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: it was. It was a different time too, I mean
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: that was it wasn't cool to for, especially for a
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: younger player to miss any time. And once we saw that,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: what could happen? I mean it was the navicular bone
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: took Yelming's career away and many others, so pretty serious thing.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: The production though, I hadn't fallen off, and I think
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: that's why I continued to play. But I wonder and
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: worry a little bit. For Nolan, the Abbats haven't really
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: looked too good. He did draw a and also for
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Logan on hope you've played through injury. If the statistics
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: start to take a nosedive, it's not good for you,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: it's not good for the team. It's better just to
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: get it right. If it is as big an issue
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: and the backflip for a hitter, it's vital, It's incredibly vital.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: It's where you get your balance from. It's where you
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: know some of the power is generated from. And if
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: that's compromised, what I expect to see is a swing
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: that starts to get out on the front side more
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: probably a whole lot of one arm finishes. I'm already
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: seen some of that. Doesn't look like his normal swing. Actually,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: for a while now it hasn't looked like his normal swing.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I wondered if that was him trying to tap into
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: more power or if there's something going on. I think
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: we have our answer now, So I don't know. Hopefully
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: he's able to kind of get it right if he's
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: just gonna tape it incredibly tight and it's more of
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: a band it literally is a band aid. So my
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: advice would be, you know, take the time to get
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: it right. He's a nice ballplayer, and if you get
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: enough at that's where they're not going your way. You
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: can try, you know, the whole second half of the
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: seasons trying to get back to normal, and it's a
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: tough road, so hopefully he's able to take care of it.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Best wishes.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.
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