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Ep. 339 - The Importance of Good, Clear Doctrine · The Living Waters Podcast

• 1:04
  Speaker 1: Think of what 2 John 9-11 says.
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: 9-11 says Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God.
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: Powerful.
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him, for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, again, this is explicit For those of you who say ah, doctrine whatever.
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: Again, this is explicit.
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: For those of you who say ah, doctrine, whatever, you need to get in the word and look at what the word says about doctrine.
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: Accents are weird and I think people who use accents are always faking it, oscar.
• 1:44
  Speaker 3: You have an accent.
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: Listen, I think that anyone who puts their mind to it can fully speak in a normal way.
• 1:51
  Speaker 1: And what is normal way of speaking?
• 1:54
  Speaker 1: Of course, the way that I speak.
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: Of course, we all know that to be the truth.
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: Um, so what was that?
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: Your comfort?
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: Okay so we're gonna go to to my, my friend here, and and ask a few things.
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: Here we go.
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: Hey, mark, watch it, mark.
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, here we go.
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: Say this in a New Zealand hey, what's going on here?
• 2:15
  Speaker 3: we go.
• 2:15
  Speaker 3: Anybody surprised?
• 2:17
  Speaker 1: Say this in a New Zealand accent when everything is breaking and everyone's left aching, then there is no mistaking Ray Comfort's in town.
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: Oh oh oh, it's doing its thing Thinking.
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: That's not what I said.
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: I tested it yesterday.
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: Do you want to start again?
• 2:46
  Speaker 2: We?
• 2:46
  Speaker 4: should start a podcast called.
• 2:47
  Speaker 4: When Boomers Get AI.
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: Am I a boomer now?
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: No, don't tell me I'm a boomer.
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me try it again.
• 2:56
  Speaker 1: Say this in a New Zealand accent when everything is breaking and everyone's left aching, then there is no mistaking Ray Comfort's in town.
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: Oh oh oh.
• 3:06
  Speaker 1: Left aching, then there is no mistaking Ray Comfort's in town, oh, oh, oh.
• 3:13
  Speaker 2: I think we better stop this podcast again.
• 3:15
  Speaker 2: No.
• 3:16
  Speaker 4: Oh yes.
• 3:21
  Speaker 2: I'm firing her.
• 3:22
  Speaker 3: Whatever I'm firing her.
• 3:22
  Speaker 3: That was a good one it was what do you think about starting a podcast over?
• 3:27
  Speaker 3: I think about it like every other time we do.
• 3:29
  Speaker 3: This is one of those times I tested it.
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: It was the most glorious thing.
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: I have to do it another time, oh well, anyway, let's get back to the more important topic um chicken skin jackets oh yeah, I had I had the idea.
• 3:44
  Speaker 4: Oscar's dark mind.
• 3:45
  Speaker 4: No, I think it's genius.
• 3:46
  Speaker 4: You're wearing a cow-skinned jacket.
• 3:49
  Speaker 4: Why are there?
• 3:50
  Speaker 1: some things that we just eat cows.
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: Why not dogs and cats?
• 3:56
  Speaker 4: That's terrible.
• 3:57
  Speaker 4: You've never had puppy meatballs.
• 4:00
  Speaker 3: Wasn't there a restaurant, the Chinese restaurant, closed down.
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: Mings.
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: They serve cat.
• 4:05
  Speaker 4: I've told you that story.
• 4:06
  Speaker 4: We had this very interesting character walk into the office one day and invite us to lunch and he was like we gotta go to mings.
• 4:12
  Speaker 4: It was my favorite here near, yeah it's down the street and he goes.
• 4:17
  Speaker 4: It's my favorite place, he goes.
• 4:18
  Speaker 4: Uh, yeah, they used to get, they used to serve cat until they got caught.
• 4:21
  Speaker 4: I was like wait, what what's?
• 4:24
  Speaker 2: it called mings and it was originally called Meow's.
• 4:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, great, I see a lawsuit coming yeah.
• 4:36
  Speaker 2: But, ray, seriously, why did you make leather jackets?
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: This is true?
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: Why not?
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: Why did you make them for men?
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to do it.
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: No, seriously, take us back to that, because I want to get the history straight.
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: You saw a fringe leather jacket.
• 4:47
  Speaker 1: Was it in a store?
• 4:49
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 4:50
  Speaker 2: okay, that's the story, right there was a guy who was a really good surfer that I looked up to.
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: I look up to a lot of people and this guy was wearing everybody.
• 4:58
  Speaker 2: He was wearing a um, a cowboy jacket, fringe jacket and he looked very, very cool.
• 5:03
  Speaker 2: So I thought I'd like to make one of those.
• 5:04
  Speaker 2: So I got some leather and I made one, not realizing that was in my blood to do so because my grandfather used to make one of those.
• 5:08
  Speaker 2: So I got some leather and I made one, not realizing that was in my blood to do so, because my grandfather used to make leather shoes and my other grandfather on the other side used to make dresses really.
• 5:16
  Speaker 4: So I make leather dresses for men how often did you sew your own finger to the jacket?
• 5:22
  Speaker 2: no, I didn't, but I did.
• 5:23
  Speaker 2: I did cut my finger a lot.
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: Anyway, I made five of them because I couldn't stop.
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: But you.
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: So you see this jacket and you get it in your head I'm gonna make a jacket, yeah.
• 5:31
  Speaker 2: So you went somewhere, bought yeah to a leather store where they have leather jack, where they sell leather, and I got a pattern just cut up a jacket, made a jacket, cut the fringes and put it together and I so enjoyed doing it.
• 5:43
  Speaker 2: I made four more so I did.
• 5:49
  Speaker 3: Did you sew it in your log cabin or was this like no In your log cabin?
• 5:54
  Speaker 2: No, I had a sewing machine.
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know where I got it.
• 5:57
  Speaker 2: I think one of my aunts gave it to me, and so I made another four and hung them in my bedroom.
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: They just looked cool.
• 6:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I had five jackets, but one day I just looked up a car full of surfers come up our driveway and they bought them all for me.
• 6:12
  Speaker 2: So I opened a store for us on a saturday.
• 6:14
  Speaker 2: I found an empty store.
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: I opened it up and put it full of jackets but after you made a bunch more.
• 6:18
  Speaker 2: It wasn't just after those five, yeah, and they all sold that on that saturday, and so I opened up no no, but that's my question.
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't just make five and then just said I, I'm going to open a store.
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: You kept making more and then you thought down the line it opened a store.
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I opened a store just for a Saturday morning I went to a guy who owned this very small store opposite the beach.
• 6:37
  Speaker 2: It was just tiny.
• 6:37
  Speaker 2: I've got to tell you what happened.
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: He was cutting up pies because he sold pies and while he was talking to me, he was cleaning his fingernails with a knife.
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: He was using to cut the pies I've never forgotten, I've never forgotten that it was just no, it is, I was just disgusted.
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: Anyway, for a ten dollars, he let me have it for the day, just for for the day.
• 6:57
  Speaker 2: And that's how I experimented to see if the leather stuff would sell mark, and when it's, when it's sold, don't do that mark, and when it's sold, um, then open a store permanently in our, in our town wait.
• 7:06
  Speaker 3: so did you have multiple leather jackets already created that are on the shelves?
• 7:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, you did.
• 7:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what was the name of your jackets?
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: It was called Leather Gear.
• 7:16
  Speaker 2: It was the name of the store and I made them in different colors and it took me an hour and three quarters to make one from start to finish.
• 7:22
  Speaker 2: No way, that seems quick.
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: I used to make it to order for people.
• 7:25
  Speaker 2: They come back in an hour and three quarters and I have it ready for them.
• 7:28
  Speaker 3: How was the markup?
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: About $40, which was a lot then.
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: I sold it for $45 and the leather cost me about $7.
• 7:37
  Speaker 4: I've been begging you to make me a leather jacket and you're telling me it'll only take you an hour and a half and you won't do it An hour and three quarters.
• 7:40
  Speaker 4: He made one for Richard.
• 7:45
  Speaker 2: Dawkins, he didn't want it, I'll take it it wasn't.
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: Was it nice?
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, it was here's how this all happened really, because I mocked Ray and said he had never made a leather jacket in his life and that's the way to get.
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: Ray to do anything, tell me he hasn't or can't do something, and he made one and I have to say I was thoroughly impressed.
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: One of our staff members did Mike?
• 8:06
  Speaker 2: I made one for Mike and he went on his motorbike and we filmed him riding along on his motorbike.
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: I was pleasantly surprised.
• 8:13
  Speaker 3: Ray did something good.
• 8:13
  Speaker 3: Why does Ray not like you, Oscar?
• 8:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 8:15
  Speaker 4: He takes my jackets, but he won't give me one.
• 8:17
  Speaker 4: It comes easy.
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: So, you decided to reap what you decided to sow Ray.
• 8:21
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: Anyway, it was very lucrative.
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, leather jackets.
• 8:26
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• 8:33
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• 8:34
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• 8:38
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• 8:41
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• 8:42
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• 8:59
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• 9:00
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• 9:06
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• 9:21
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• 9:22
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• 13:23
  Speaker 1: Alright, friends, today we're talking about the importance Of good, clear Doctrine.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: All right, friends, today we're talking about the importance of good, clear doctrine.
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, who thought this one up?
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: So how do you?
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: think up things, because I was thinking this morning we should do one on the death penalty.
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, because that's becoming current at the moment.
• 13:43
  Speaker 4: That is a good one.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: Because that guy who shot the CEO of the insurance company in the back.
• 13:48
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they're asking for it.
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: They're asking for the death penalty.
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: So I went to Low College this morning and asked the guy do you believe he should be put to death for killing a guy?
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: And he says, well, the rates of the insurance company were very high.
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: I'm serious.
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: And he was trying to justify shooting a guy in the back.
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: I said just change insurance companies, don't kill the CEO.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: So I think it'd be an interesting podcast to do That'd be good.
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: I am sending myself a message so you don't forget the way I thought of this one, honestly, was just a conversation I was having with somebody, a relatively new Christian, and they positioned the idea that, like doctrine or dogma is a negative term, it's not important Like theology.
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, theology is not important and the important like theologist.
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, theology is not important and the the point that I made to that person in the conversation is that it's it's impossible to live without doctrine.
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, this statement doctrine is not important is itself a doctrine.
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and doctrine, for that matter, is not just unique to religion, faith or christianity.
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, your average atheist, non-believer, you know, know person walking down the street, your neighbor who never goes to church, they have doctrines, they have creeds.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: We'll break up the word doctrine.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: Doc, you're in.
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: But I mean, listen to these secular creeds.
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: These are secular creeds that culture believes in, like doctrine.
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: Black lives matter, love is love.
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: Gay rights movement is the new civil rights movement.
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: Women's rights are human rights.
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: Transgender women are women.
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  Speaker 4: Listen to those statements.
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: Those are doctrines and if you're having a conversation with a secular person and you disagree, it's like you're a heretic to cultural doctrine.
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: Right, and it's also.
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: You know there's unintentional creeds and doctrines in churches.
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: Again, christians will say well, you don't need to teach doctrine, just preach Jesus.
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: The problem with that statement is that you have to answer the question who's Jesus and what did he do?
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: And as soon as you start answering those questions now you're into doctrine.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: And so for the Christian doctrine is not an option.
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: The only question is do you have clear doctrine?
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: Because you've already got it for sure.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, and good clear doctrine.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Because you could have clear doctrine.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: We shouldn't make that the topic of this.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: CS Lewis said that everybody is a theologian, just most people are bad theologians.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: So we all have, when we think of theologians, theos, god, we all have this study, this knowledge of God.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: Now, where do you get your information from?
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: If you do not get your information from the Bible, well then it's going to be faulty, and then your life is going to be faulty.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: And what is the saying?
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: So the Word of God is truth.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: We're sanctified by His truth and if you're not meditating on God's Word as truth, you're going to believe lies are true and you're going to be dogmatic in your doctrine concerning that truth, which is actually a lie.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's a weird sort of dynamic that I've come across within Christianity, and it's this aversion to doctrine.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've heard people articulate it in this way even oh man, you don't need to get into doctrine, I just want to love God, right?
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's this mindset that there's some sort of divide between doctrine and like a spiritual, vibrant, passionate life.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Sadly, I think, a lot of times people have a zeal, without knowledge, when it comes to even the pursuit of the Lord.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: How much more truly deep and vibrant will your pursuit of the Lord be when it's backed up by real truth, you know?
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: And so I think it's important that we understand what's meant by doctrine.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, the simple definition is a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a church, political party or other group, and I'm glad you highlighted that, oscar.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Everybody has doctrine, and so that's the key it's to get Christians to find that right balance.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: And, mark, there have been, I think, certain elements that have caused people to feel that way, don't you think?
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, just seminary, oh, cemetery.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Right, they call it cemetery, I mean because there are some, though, and you've said that You've thrown books across the room because they're full of good truth, but the person talking about evangelism or the gospel won't even preach it themselves.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you want people that are doers and not just hearers and you're referring to a book on apologetics.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: I won't mention the person's name, because I have a lot of respect.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: What does it?
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: rhyme with See, I won't do that.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Compost Ray Comfort, it rhymes with Ray Comfort.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Because the whole book is about how to utilize apologetics in evangelism.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: And then the very last chapter says it's not part of my natural maludy to share the gospel.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: But if you do allow me to offer you a fictitious conversation, how it might go out on the streets, well, things never go according to plan.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: It never happens like that, charles Spurgeon.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: He said discernment is not knowing the difference between right and wrong, it's knowing the difference between right and almost wrong, almost wrong.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: So it's not hard to know the difference between right and wrong, it's right and almost wrong.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: It's like you're almost there, but to be almost there is to almost be entirely lost.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: It's like, well, judas, he was almost saved.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Well, to be almost saved is to be entirely lost.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: So we need to take heed yourself to the doctrine, continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: You know you said something that said.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: You said somebody might say something like I'm not interested in doctrine, I just want to love God.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: Doctrine is rooted in theology.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Theology is the knowledge of God.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: How do you love somebody you don't know?
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: It reminds me of a young lady I once knew who was abandoned by her biological father and they would meet every now and again and he would always be like oh, but I love you, oh, but I love you.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: And one day she was confronted in a gentle way, which is like you say you love me, but who's my best friend?
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: What school do I go to?
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: What do I want to do for my career?
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Like, what are the things that I love?
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: He couldn't answer any of those questions.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: Because true love is rooted in the knowledge of a person, and so to love God is to know God.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, amen, yeah.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite quotes is this every new thing learned about God is a new reason for loving him.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: That's good, you know, because we're growing in our understanding of who our God is.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: And when you don't have good doctrine, you're not rooted in good doctrine.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Especially when you have a leadership of a church who doesn't put a premium on sound biblical doctrine, you are headed for danger.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it reveals an immaturity on the part of those who say that I don't believe in good, sound doctrine.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: It's like someone saying I don't believe in healthy living and you get a lot of young people thinking like that.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Young people say I don't believe in healthy living and you get a lot of young people we can tell thinking like that.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Young people say I don't believe, destroy it much.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Young people say you know, believe in healthy living because they are healthy and well.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: But just recently there's been a mass of 1960s rockers dying off horribly I mean lots of them and it's because they've abused their bodies and they're reaping exactly what they've sown.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: And if you abuse doctrine, don't take heed to sound doctrine.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: You're going to end up in a mess spiritually.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's so good, ray.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: It's true, you know, I've been seeing an uptick in that and I was thinking about that actually today.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: You know just someone who's ill not doing well and I thought, man, I could trace that back to the way that they lived for so many years.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: It's reaping what we've sown for a long time, and the same thing can happen spiritually.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: See Arnold Schwarzenegger.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I read recently he was really concerned that over 20 of his buddies lift weights and used to take the steroids with them.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: They've died off.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Wow, over 20 of them.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Because they, you know short-term gain, didn't think in the long-term.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: That's why easy doesn't lift weights.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I don't need to, I am both Okay.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: So let me ask this why do you guys think so many don't dive deep into doctrine?
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: That's a good question, I mean.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Is it based on maybe, some of what I put forth, this misunderstanding or misconception?
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Is it laziness?
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Is it too hard?
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Does it feel dry?
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: So we don't want to put in the effort to mine good doctrine.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: What do you guys think it is?
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: I can't help but think that it's even rooted in a misunderstanding of the gospel itself, because I think that if you look at God as a genie in a lamp, as a vending machine, as someone that's just there to bless your life and give you a good life, divine butler.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Divine butler, then you don't.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: You thought that comfort.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: There's no inspiration to know him.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: But what's beautiful about the gospel is the scriptures tell us that God is not a divine butler.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: He is our heavenly father, who knows us and loves us.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: And so I think, when we find that the gospel is about us being adopted, being a part of a family, a new affection starts to develop in our hearts.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: And how do we not?
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, can you imagine being an orphan your entire life and all of a family?
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: A new affection starts to develop in our hearts.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: And how do we not?
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, can you imagine being an orphan your entire life and all of a sudden be saved into adoption, into a new family?
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: You know, you're going to say thank you.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: Who are you?
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: In other words, you want to know your savior.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: So I think a lot of it is people simply misunderstanding the gospel and therefore not valuing theology, the knowledge of God.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so true.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: And again, to say you don't need doctrine and doctrine isn't important, is a doctrine?
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, people don't realize that they hold some form of that's a teaching, that's a principle, and so you can't get away from it.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: The bottom line is, at the end of the day, I think, as you alluded to Mark or Eddie, you either have good doctrine or bad doctrine.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Right, everyone has doctrine.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: So right comfort, right comfort.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: If you look at Timothy, one of the signs of the end of the age will be, for the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: And I think that word endure is a very interesting word.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: It actually means they won't put up with it, they'll not tolerate it, they don't see it as being important, they'll not endure sound doctrine, which we think is incredibly important.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: And then it says but according to their own desires.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a sign of a false conversion.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Somebody lives according, professing Christ, but living by your own desires.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: They've not had a Gethsemane experience where they've said not my will, but yours be done, because that's what a Christian is.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Old things pass away, old things have become new.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Because they have itching ears.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys ever had hives as kids.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: No, you ever had an itch, you want to scratch Itches.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I had chives last night.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: You chives, that's pretty close.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Oscar.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: So you know, mosquito bite or something, I don't know how mosquitoes probably don't like touching your blood easy, but mine Jewish blood.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: They love Last words and it comes up in a great welt and there's one thing about an itch is you have to go back to it.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: It's never satisfied.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: And these people have itching ears for unsound doctrine and who are never satisfied.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: And these people have itching ears for unsound doctrine.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: And then it says I love the word scripture used.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: It says they heap up for themselves, teachers, because they've got these itching ears that need to be scratched all the time, never satisfied with what they're told.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: And I've noticed that I've been listening to prosperity preachers for 40, 50 years.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: It's the same thing we can tell have faith, yeah, have faith, yeah, have faith, yeah, qualify for this, I believe for my V-dub.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it says, and they'll heap for themselves, teachers, when you heap something up, you're usually heaping trash.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: You don't heap up valuable stuff.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: And they heap for themselves, teachers, and they turn away their ears from hearing the truth, which is what these people do.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: They don't embrace the biblical gospel.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: And one thing I've noticed and I've mentioned before these prosperity preachers and others like them never talk about sin, righteousness and judgment.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: They never uphold the cross crucified, for the sin of the world might be saved from wrath to come.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: It's all about me.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Selfish, yeah.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: And it goes on to say they turn aside to fables.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Fables, that's what it is.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Our daughters are in Utah right now, Mark, and they're out there preaching the gospel to Mormons.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: First of all, what a joy right.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, as Christian parents, to get to a place where your kids are saying it's not.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I want to go on a spring break vacation at Lake Havasu.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I want to go on spring break and share the gospel in a very hostile environment.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Mormons are very, very nice people, but we've all been.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: We've been to Manti, to the pageant in Utah and it can get really vicious, but they're out there and so I've been discipling Kylie through it and sitting down with her and showing her how to witness to Mormons, and she called me yesterday with some more questions.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: They're out there already, yeah how old's.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Kylie Kylie's 18.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: She's the chaperone for my daughter who's 17.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: She'll turn 18 next week.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: They're like months apart, but Kylie's the adult right in the room.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: She's 18.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: So anyway, but she called me and was asking about different doctrines and stuff of the Mormon church.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: And just in the midst of it there are certain things you hear and you know, but once in a while you just get struck with the absurdity of them.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: And I said to her I said I can't believe anyone believes this Because I was going on with her about that.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: You can become a god and then you'll have your own planet, and God was a man who came from.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like I can't believe anyone would believe this.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: You know, but but fables, that's what these things are, and yet people believe them.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Ray mentioned earlier, um, the, the verse that says, like in the end of days and the last days, that things go on, that we will care less about those truths and doctrine.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: And I think that this is so important that we need to remember church history, because so often I think we want to water down differences and divides, like you often hear from Christians talking about their Catholic friends in the Catholic church, which we love, our Catholic friends.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: But there is a clear divide between what we believe and they believe.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: And, like I'm remembering, we were in you and I were in Hawaii and a group of us went to Pearl Harbor and we went.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: You know, when you go to Pearl Harbor, you're looking at these essential graves and it's paying respect by remembering the cost of freedom.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: When you visit Auschwitz, you remind yourself not to flirt with fascism.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: The Monument of Peace Memorial reminds us against racism and in that same way, church leaders throughout history reminds us the importance of doctrine.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: And so when you try to downplay the Catholic Protestant divide, you think of Hugh Latimer or Nicholas Ridley or Thomas Cranmer, all burned at the stake over transubstantiation and the nature of mass.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: And.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Tyndale too.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: That's exactly right.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: These guys lost their lives because of the difference between what they believe and what we believe, and so I think looking at church history reminds us of the importance of doctrine.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Can I say something here regarding Catholicism?
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: I'm amazed at how many Catholics.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I can just say to them one sentence purgatory is not in the Bible.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: And they go, oh, and they accept it.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: There's no argument.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: They just need to be corrected and say, no, that's not sound doctrine.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: This is what sound doctrine is.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: It's according to the Bible.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I'm working with Jews for Jesus at the moment in Israel and we're both gone out into the streets and they're asking one question.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: I'm asking one question we're going to combine into one video.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: The question is where did the conscience come from, the human conscience?
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: And I got the first footage from them day before yesterday and I sat there with just amazement.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: The guy that's doing the interviewing is speaking to a Jew who is very committed and he says yes, it's a very common doctrine for us to believe that when a Jew dies, he goes to hell for 11 weeks.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I'd never heard this before and there's a certain prayer that the Jews pray for the person that's died, and the more they pray, the quicker they get out of this.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: 11 weeks in hell or 11 months, sounds like Catholicism.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: It's exactly like purgatory and I thought, man, it's the same unsound doctrine in Judaism that's in Catholicism and it comes back to a lack of understanding as the serious nature of sin.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: If you understand how serious sin is, then there's no way you can work your way out of it or pray someone out of it.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: The only thing can get you out of it is the cross.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Oscar, I'm so, so, so glad you brought that up about Catholicism.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Martin Luther said something really powerful.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: He said peace if possible.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Truth at all costs, peace if possible truth at all costs.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Look, we're to pursue peace with all men, especially when it comes to inner family discussions on secondary, tertiary issues.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: We want peace, we want to be mature, we want to understand that good godly men have disagreed on things that aren't essential to salvation or the gospel, because they're difficult and they're challenging.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: But especially when it comes to Catholicism, there is this kind of sort of newer mindset amongst evangelicals that hey, we're all believers, we're all part of the same family and anytime we do something on Catholicism we get pushback you guys are haters, you guys are man.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Read Council of Trent, read Vatican II, read what's been said by the Catholic Church regarding believers in the gospel.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: So when we've done a video that has hundreds of thousands of views we've done multiple ones, but some millions of views on Catholicism we can speak the truth in love, but we can't compromise the truth, and I love what you said about how, in essence, we're just sort neglecting the value of history and what others have gone through to preserve the truth and we have to be really careful.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: You know about that.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: I think Moody kind of summed it up here, really, when it comes to Catholicism, what you're referring to right, that so many Catholics will read the Bible for information, not for transformation, whereas the Protestant will approach the Word of God and just say search me and try me, see if there be any wicked way in me and lead me in the way everlasting.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: I don't want to be the same today as I was yesterday.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Right, there's this hunger and this thirst for righteousness, to walk in the works which God has prepared beforehand.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: We have no greater desire than to see God glorified in us and we, as fathers, we have no greater desire than to see our kids now walk in that truth.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: I had a family member who said that their child is going off to spring break and I said I'm just curious, what do you say to your daughter who's going off to spring break to this beach?
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: She says well, you know, just be careful, travel in groups of two.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: I'm like we live in different worlds.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: And, to your point, our daughters are on a mission trip at 17 and 18 years old to preach the good news that Christ has once and for all set us free.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Ephesians 4, 14,.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: It says that we should no longer be children tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine right.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: So without this sound doctrine, we're like a ship without a rudder and without a compass and we're just kind of going wherever the tides of the culture are pushing us and pulling us, that there is no spine, no backbone to any decision making, and so you need to make your decisions beforehand before that temptation comes.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: And I don't know make your decisions beforehand before that temptation comes.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: And I don't know how somebody within Judaism or somebody within Catholicism or any outside worldview is making their decisions when you don't have Christ as the anchor, as our foundation Tozer.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: He finally said all great Christian leaders have been dogmatic, and not just Christian leaders, but every Christian.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: We're just dogmatic when it comes to truth, because truth does not change with the times.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Pitbull, dogmatic Pitbull.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Doberman Pinscher.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dogmatic, and let me just say we've highlighted Catholicism, judaism, but this goes for those who are within the pale of evangelicalism, like we need to call out false doctrine there, with a lot of the heretical stuff that's happening especially within the word faith movement and that whole realm.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: But, ray, it's a premise of love, isn't it?
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Like you know, mark just used the word dogma or dogmatic.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Again, there are certain words that are kind of like trigger words.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, you know, that's.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: You imagine someone with just a face, that's just, you know, contorted and angry and seething, like that one Like that, yeah, living illustration.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: So when you say trigger words, you mean like cotton and teeth.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Bad people Triggered Someone who's dogmatic is obviously seems like a legalist or someone who's unreasonable, Someone who's dogmatic they're stubborn, but we're talking about being stubborn for the truth.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: But my point is it's fueled by love.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: We love God, we love His truth, we love people who are in error and we don't have to be mean and mean-spirited and nasty when we're trying to correct them.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: In truth.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the wisdom that's from above is open to reason, and that's how we should be in meekness, instructing those that oppose themselves.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I was thinking what is the filter for truth?
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: And the filter really is the new birth.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: If you're born again, the holy spirit is within you, the spirit of truth leads you, and if you're not born again, you'll believe anything, and that's what's happened.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Within the contemporary body of christ, we have masses of people who have never found a place of biblical repentance and they don't bring bring forth things that accompany salvation, and one of those things is a love of the truth and a desire for truth.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: I remember, as a brand-new Christian, I read one of the Proverbs things, proverbs 11, which speaks of.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: It sounded like God brought forth Jesus in the beginning, and it was a Jehovah's Witness that said to me there Jesus was created.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: So I called a guy, an elderly Christian, and I said what does this mean?
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: And he wouldn't tell me.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: He wouldn't tell me.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: He says you search it for yourself, and all I did was read it in context, went back to the Word and it's not speaking of Jesus, it's speaking of wisdom.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: God brought forth wisdom in the beginning and it's always stayed with me that if you search the Scriptures, you'll find truth.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Read things in context.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: I remember an elderly gentleman coming to me and saying I had a similar question and he said go try to figure it out yourself.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: He said, remember, the wisdom of God is not hidden from you, it's hidden for you.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Go down, dig deep and you're going to find that answer within the Word of God.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: By the way, dogma just means dogs with magnets.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: I want to rewind and take a step back to be helpful for our listeners, because you use certain terminology that's really important, which is primary, secondary or tertiary, and so would you mind explaining what you mean by that for somebody that might yeah.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: And what I do want to do as well in the second kind of segment here is I want us to talk about what are the good, clear doctrines that we should understand and know.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Well, we can't get into all of them in depth, but just to whet people's appetite so they can go and study and explore.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: But yeah, when we're talking about the essentials, we're talking about things that are essential to the historic Christian faith.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: These are hills to die on yeah hills to die on, that are settled, that are clear in Scripture and there's no ands, ifs or buts about them, and we'll get into what those are.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Secondary and tertiary issues are dealing with things that are non-essential, things that would deal with, let's say, for example, the spiritual gifts.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Are they the sign gifts?
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Are they still for today or not?
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: You have good, solid Christians that can disagree on that.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: We can talk ecclesiology and the church and how the church functions and church government.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: We can talk about modes of baptism, even right, do you sprinkle, do you dunk?
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Head first, feet first, long under the water.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, four minutes.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: If they live, they live.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: If they die, they die.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: If they live they live.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: If they die, they die.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Other things are eschatology, you know.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Then you have, you know, the covenantal system versus the dispensational system and how you interpret Scripture in connection with that.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: You can get into head coverings, you can get into, you know, all kinds of different things like that that fall within those categories as well, and what your diet should be as a Christian.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: What should you eat?
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: What?
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: should you eat what?
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: should you eat?
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Do you eat ham?
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: And so one of the best ways, I think explaining primaries and secondaries is when we talk about the primaries, as you mentioned.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: This is essential to Christian doctrine Historically.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: If you don't believe in the primaries, it's heresy, you're not of the faith, and the best way to describe it, I think, because the thing about using the phrase secondary, tertiary, is that it's not that they're not important, they're very important.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: They're important to your spiritual vitality, they're important to how you choose a church, et cetera, et cetera.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: But the best analogy we've used before in the past is it's like a nation with states, and so in that sense you think about United States of America.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: We've got California with our own kind of laws in Texas, texas taxes and even different culture and food.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: You go to Texas, arizona, new York, florida, all different laws, all different taxes, all different cultures and foods and even dialect.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: But when this nation goes to war, we come together for the sake of the nation.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: In that same sense, these different doctrines provide different denominations, but when we agree on the essentials, we go to war together for the sake of the gospel.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, amen, and look at the end of the day again.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Like we talked about good doctrine, good, clear doctrine should lead to something.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I love the saying that says orthodoxy should lead to orthopraxy, which orthopraxy orthodoxy is right, true doctrine, orthopraxy is putting that into practice and living it out.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: That theology should lead to doxology, which is an expression of worship.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Apostate.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: What's an apostate?
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: An apostate?
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's from Italy.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, it's very nice.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, an apostate would be someone who had made a profession of faith in Christ and then abandons the faith.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: So heretical is bad doctrine.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Apostate is turning against the truth, right, right, walking away.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: I was going to commend a book.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: I'm reading a book right now with a friend of mine, eric Swanson.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Can you read?
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: He read the cover.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: I'm figuring it out.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: It's how to Read, ray, thank you.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: And the title of the book is Finding the Right Heels to Die On by Gavin Ortlin, the Case for Theological Triage.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: It actually has an introduction by DA Carson, who's very insightful in the midst of this, and they go way, way back to the 16th century and they start talking about this fight amongst the different people, and what hills did they die on?
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: And they put everything kind of into four different categories.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: But my point is I recommend the book.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: It's not a book that I would typically read because I think, all right, no, I get it.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: I kind of understand the idea and the arguments at hand.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: But it actually this book.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: It's just a great book to really examine yourself to see am I dying on the wrong hills?
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Though I would never say it, but I think maybe I am kind of dying on a hill and I begin to judge that person inside my heart.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Heart.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: How dare you do this?
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I would never do that.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: And it's not overtly sinful we talk about.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: There is nothing sinful about drinking alcohol unless you can't do it in faith and unless you get drunk.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: So it just begins to put things into.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Now there's appearances of evil.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: You have to just be wise on how you go about doing different things.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: But to Oscar's point about understanding primary essentials, secondary essentials, non-essentials, things of this nature.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: I recommend the book.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so another thing, too, I think we need to highlight are the extremes and how the pendulum swings.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: So first and this is important, but this can get out of whack as well but first and this is important, but this can get out of whack as well but first, we have to understand primarily that the doctrine that we build our lives upon must come from Scripture, and that's why 2 Timothy 3, 16-17 says All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: And so this is essential.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: It must be based on God's Word.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: But, mark, there are some, though, that take that pendulum, and well, all you need to do is read the Bible, brother, brother, brother, brother, so you don't need to read books on theology, you don't need to, and speak to that.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Well, I was really surprised.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: I had spoken at an event for a church it was in the main service, it was a separate event and the pastor told me that he was going through a book with his congregation and I said what commentaries do you use when going through?
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: And he goes YouTube.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't use any sort of commentary.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: I just get up there and I just read the text and I just explain it and I said it happened to me too, did it really?
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if it's the same guy.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: And I said, well, but how do you understand like culture, customs, traditions, original languages?
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: How do you put things into its proper context?
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: And he goes it's not hard, you need no one to teach you, but the Holy Spirit shall teach you all things.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: And I'm like whoa and I pray for him every day, every day.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I pray for him.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: But here's the interesting thing, though that person is teaching other people, so they're giving commentary on the Scripture, and they want people to listen to them and hear them.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: This is such a good point, such a good point, and so we have to understand that when we talk about reading books, friends, we talk about reading commentaries.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: What you're doing is you're doing what Scripture talks about, and that is using one another's gifts to minister to one another.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Those who teach in teaching right, and so those that are gifted in that way, are given us to the body, so they put it in a written form.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Now you're taking it and reading it.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Scholars that have researched, that know the original languages, that can help you understand with greater depth.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: The other extreme of the pendulum is those that just read books, listen to commentaries or listen to the sermons from their pastors, and don't examine the scriptures themselves, like it tells us in Acts those who were in.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Berea were more noble-minded than those who were in Thessalonica, because they not only received the word with great eagerness, they also examined the scriptures to see if these things were.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: So.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Ray, you're going to say?
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Charles Spurgeon said give yourself to reading.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: The man who never reads will never be read.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: And he never quotes will never be quoted.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: A violence Is that video A?
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: violence.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, let me get back.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Marks.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I hope so Reached across on my iPad and swung that quote right at him, just like he tickled your ear earlier with a laugh during that one segment.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: So this is obviously.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: I feel like a fly landed on my shoulder.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Is there a breeze in here?
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: A small fly, obviously the devil doesn't want anyone to hear this.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: He will not be.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Uh, use the thoughts of other men's brains proves that he has no brains of his own you need to read that is good isn't that good, ma that's so.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Are you regretful?
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: this is you know we're.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: I love the direction of the conversation.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: Now ray's patting him making sure he's okay.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: I love the direction of the conversation because unintentionally if you guys don't know listener, we do not plan these conversations.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: We just come in.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: But we started out, really we started out talking about how doctrine divides, and that's okay.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: But doctrine isn't just for dividing, it's also for our spiritual health and this is one of the qualms that I have that a lot of times, preachers who are sound doctrinally who I love, otherwise, who are helpful, they often preach doctrine as this us versus them ism dividing, only using doctrine to divide.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: This is why our church is right and their church is wrong, and they present doctrine as though it's like okay when it comes to these secondary issues.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, we can all we agree that we're all Christians.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: But if you believe in those secondary issues, you're almost like this second glass citizen, you're almost like on the sidelines, you're in the minor leagues.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Welcome, know, welcome to the major leagues if you believe my doctrine.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: And so when we teach doctrine as purely divisional, we lose the healthiness and beauty of it.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: And I love Paul's use of the word.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: He says sound doctrine.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: The Greek word for sound means healthy, not diseased.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: In other words.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: it's right.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: Wrong doctrine eats away at your spiritual health, and so I just I have examples of like the beauty of doctrine, not just to divide, but for your joy.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: You know, if you're an anxious person when you watch the news, maybe you have bad doctrine, because the doctrine of eschatology comforts your soul.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: If you're refusing to see the wrong in yourself when you're having an argument with your wife, maybe it's rooted in doctrine, because the doctrine of depravity humbles you.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: If you're feeling guilty over sin, the doctrine of adoption encourages you.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: If you're feeling the weight of providing for your family, the doctrine of God for your family, the doctrine of God's sovereignty, releases you.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: If you feel like life is meaningless, the doctrine of creation reminds you that you are made in God's image, with value and worth and dignity, and he has a plan and a purpose for your life, which is to glorify him and enjoy him forever.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: If you're grieving the loss of a loved one, the doctrine of the resurrection brings you comfort.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: If you're discouraged by the state of the church because you're on social media all the time, maybe you don't believe in the doctrine of ecclesiology, which is the reality that Jesus is building up his bride and he will not leave her or forsake her.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: In other words, doctrine isn't there just to divide us.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: It's there as a medicine for our souls.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: And it should unite us.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: You think of the two women who said this is my child to Solomon, the baby in Solomon's okay, we'll cut it in half.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: The genuine mother says I don't want to cut it in half, you have it.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: And the false convert, those that don't really love God don't care about the body.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: You want to divide the body of Christ through unsound doctrine.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: You know good points, you guys.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: This is, I think, the real evidence that we're handling ourselves appropriately when dealing with confronting someone about false doctrine.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: It goes back to Philippians 2.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: This is always a test for me.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: When I'm in a disagreement with someone, when I'm feeling a sense of displeasure about something someone said or did, I try to ask myself am I fulfilling Philippians 2 right now?
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: And let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in loneliness of mind, let each esteem others better than himself.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: And I have to ask that right now, in the way that I'm talking to this person, whether it's a cult member or a member of a false religion or someone that's Mark Spence yeah, of course Bad person Am I?
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Am I Acting in a way that tangibly says you are more important to me than I am to myself?
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Boy that?
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: comes back to pride, because if you think of yourself in a lowly manner, then it's easy to think of someone better than yourself.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: But if you think you are number one in the world, it's going to be hard to treat someone better than yourself because you've got such a high bar.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: So I can see how you can do it easy, because you're just nobody.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: I'm so humble, I'm so cute, but the thing is you haven't thought about it yet.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: The thing is Nothing.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: The thing is, when we're in a disagreement with someone and we're getting worked up, it's because we're self-focused.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: I disagree with that.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I don't like the way you make me feel I'm right, you're wrong.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: You can't make me look, but when I'm others-focused, I'm thinking okay, if this person is believing false doctrine, there is a danger to their soul.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: I love them and even if it's like, let's say, it's something we're talking to an other believer about, but they have a wrong understanding of and it could be harmful to them spiritually, it may not be their eternal salvation but their spiritual well-being.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: If I care for them, then I'm walking in love and all the fruit of love is going to be manifested.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be patient, I'm going to be kind.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be selfish, I'm not going to be provoked to wrath, I'm not going to keep records of wrongs and so forth.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: We don't realize we're selfish until we get married, that's when you realize that You're living in your teens you just say everything's me, me, me.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: And then you get married and you're thinking, no, it's not me.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: It's us.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: My wife's allergic to shellfish Ray is your favorite restaurant still?
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Mimi's Cafe.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Mimi, that's very selfish.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: What did you say, oscar?
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: I said my wife's allergic to shellfish.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, so, oscar, the verse you quoted earlier, titus 2.1,.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: But as for you, paul says speak the things which are proper for sound doctrine 2 Timothy 2, 6-8,.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Likewise, exhort the young men to be sober-minded in all things, showing yourself to be a pattern of good works in doctrine, showing integrity, reverence, incorruptibility, sound speech.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: That cannot be condemned, that one who is an opponent may be ashamed, having nothing evil to say of you.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: I mean this is an exhortation to the young men of the church.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: He's saying, man, have integrity in your doctrine and have reverence.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: You need to be reverent when you're handling truth.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: And you think of the word sober when you say sober-minded.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: A sober person walks a straight path.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Someone who's not sober-minded is drunken, doesn't have have that strength, that's right.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: I'm so glad you brought up that verse, because think about, like the word that you just use, have integrity.
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: A lack of integrity is having a right doctrine with a wrong heart, and when doctrine affects your heart, it produces fruitfulness.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: And so you can say that you believe all the right things, or you can say that you know all the right things.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: Or you can say that you know all the right things, but do you believe them?
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Does it?
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Penetrate your heart and produce fruitfulness and that and guys again, when we get back to it we always hit on this.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: That is why a deep devotional life is so essential, a life of real prayer and communion with Christ.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: You know Of anything that sticks out to me about Spurgeon, it's how often he talked about prayer, the prayer closet intimacy with Christ, and all of us know here it's hard to imagine anyone devotionally who's affected the body of Christ since his time more than Spurgeon, right?
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: You know I usually quote a lot of people.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: I want to quote myself here, Usually a Bible that belongs.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: A Bible that has fallen apart usually belongs to someone who isn't.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: That's original.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: But, that's Spurgeon.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: That's who you're quoting here, right.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's why we must seek God.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: We must be in his presence because it's there that he shows you the error of your way.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: It's there that he shows you you've become ugly with doctrine, you've become contentious, you've become unloving, and it's there that you repent and become refined so that your orthopraxy matches your orthodoxy.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: One of the greatest books that affected me in my early years of a Christian was Brother Lawrence right, practicing the Presence of God.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: And you know I don't agree with everything that's in the book, but just there's this idea of knowing that Christ is always present, he's always eminent, he is here, he can come back at any time.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: You know what was it?
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Enoch walked with God and then that was it.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: He was taken away and it's like did he know that there was a change of address?
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Because he went from walking with God to walking with God?
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: Right, there's a change of zip codes, but I wonder if he was married.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: That's why I said man, where is he Babe?
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: Babe.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: But, how much different would our conversation be around the dinner table if we had an empty chair, that we were mindful hey, this is where Christ sits.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Or we're watching a movie and we have a little sign like John Harris.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: John Harris has a little sign on his television and I don't remember what it is, but it's just it's the mindful of Christ is watching this with you.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: And we would just treat people differently, we would treat the Word of God differently, if we really came to that conclusion.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: It brought back a great memory to me when I was a non-Christian, I used to go to my in-law's house and they had a sign.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: They were Christians.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: They had a sign up on the wall that said Christ is the head of this house.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: The sign don't listen to every conversation and I'd look at it and it would give me the creeps.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: I Then I got saved and looked at it and I thought, wow, how wonderful that is, wow.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Because my sins are washed away.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Right, Imagine you saying to someone I don't know, in some kind of scenario or something, or hearing someone say to you God is watching us.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Ah, right, Got that.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: That's the most sobering sentence I've ever heard in my life, all right.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: So a couple more things and we'll get into those good doctrines.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: But think of what 2 John 9 through 11 says Good.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: It's the best one for the time.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Powerful.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him, for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: I mean again, this is explicit For those of you who say, ah, doctrine, whatever.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: You need to get in the Word and look at what the Word says about doctrine.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: So that when you greet someone you're commending their doctrine.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Because I've had this little argument with myself, with the Jehovah's Witnesses at Standard Local College, every day Do I say good morning to them or not?
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have been saying good morning to them.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: That's good.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: No, the context of that is bringing them within the confines of the church and being Jude 1.3, beloved.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: While I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith, which is made up of doctrine, which was once for all delivered to the saints.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: So those are all important.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: All right, so real quick, as we finish up, what are the good, clear doctrines that we should focus on?
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Number one the authority of Scripture.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: The authority of Scripture.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: That'd be the number one.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Number one, wouldn't it?
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Number one.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Oscar, if we don't have the foundation of Scripture, how do we get truth?
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, scriptures are our chief way of understanding who God is.
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: It's His revelation to us.
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: I usually don't like using this terminology because it sounds cheesy, but truly it is God's his revelation to us.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: I usually don't like using this terminology because it sounds cheesy, but truly it is God's love letter to his people.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: That sounds cheesy, and once again.
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: If you claim to be in relationship with the Father in heaven, how do you not know Father in heaven?
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: And, as it pertains to the inerrancy and authority, as soon as you start questioning the inerrancy and authority of God's Word, ultimately what you do is you make yourself authority over it.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: It's not cheesy, it's beautiful.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: It's gorgeous the nature of God.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Mark the Trinity.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: How important is it for us to understand the triune nature of God?
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when you begin to look at the Bible from maybe a 10,000 foot level in the altitude, you're going to be too confused to understand anything when it comes to the nature of God, because there are attributes that are shared amongst each other, between the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: We were emailing back and forth concerning this just the other day so that our daughters can talk about this with these Mormons.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: So to understand the nature of God is to understand God himself.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: Let him who boasts in this, let him who glories, glory in this, that he understands me, and this is life eternal, that they may know you, the only true God in Jesus Christ whom you've sent.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: So I love studying the different attributes, the different characteristics of God.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: It was John Stott who said you cannot properly preach the gospel if you do not properly preach Christ.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: So Christ must be preeminent inside of our preaching, both on a Sunday morning and when we're out on the street talking to people.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: So the Trinity obviously you try to.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Who was it that said the Trinity?
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: If you try to understand it, you're going to blow your mind, you're going to lose your mind, but if you deny the Trinity you lose your soul.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: So we need to be careful in the midst of this, and we didn't understand the Trinity when we first became a Christian.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: But, yeah, the idea of understanding God is preeminent when we approach the Word of God.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Who God is, that's right, the person and work of Jesus Christ.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Ray that Christ is fully God, fully man.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: His sinful life, substitutionary death, resurrection, all that, the foundation for salvation.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: God was manifest in the flesh, and I'm surprised how many Christians don't realize who Jesus is.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: They don't fully understand that he was God manifest in the flesh.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: As the scriptures say in Timothy Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine, continue in them, and in doing so you will save both yourself and those who hear you.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: So we've got a tremendous responsibility when we're sharing the gospel, to share the biblical gospel and not get into other stuff that's going to have poison.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Real good.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: All right, we don't have time to get deep into the rest, friends, but the gospel and salvation.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: You have to understand, obviously, what we call soteriology, the doctrine of salvation.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: What is the gospel?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: It's the gospel through which 1 Corinthians 15 tells us we are saved, and so you need to know what that is and how we're saved.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: The person and work of the Holy Spirit.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: The Holy Spirit is not an it.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Be careful, when you refer to the Holy Spirit, not to say and it.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: He's a person, he's a third person of the triune Godhead.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: The church, the doctrine of the church, that it's the body of Christ, made up of true believers, that it exists to glorify God through worship, teaching, fellowship, evangelism massively huge, because, as we often talk about, if you don't have the foundation of the church in your life, you're not walking in the fullness of what a believer is called to walk in the second coming of Christ, the reality of heaven and hell, the nature of humanity and sin, christian living and holiness, which is also essential.
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  Speaker 1: How then, shall we live?
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  Speaker 1: How do we take all of this and bring it into the fullness of?
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  Speaker 4: life.
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  Speaker 4: Side note, we have a pretty robust doctrinal statement on our website, livingwaterscom.
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  Speaker 4: If you guys have never listened, or if you've never really looked through one or looked through your own churches, that's a great place to start.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, amen.
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  Speaker 1: And you know a book that Ray wrote that I think is great.
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  Speaker 1: That will kind of open the door to you exploring good, sound doctrine.
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  Speaker 1: More is World Religions in a Nutshell.
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  Speaker 1: Ray hits on a lot of false teachings within world religions and, by extension, it'll help you to veer toward the truth.
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  Speaker 1: All right, friends.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: That was a mouthful.
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  Speaker 1: You guys talked a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I slept Well, I can tell.
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  Speaker 1: Don't forget, friends, the deluxe treasure, trust, I don't know 500 coins, the living waters mug, the evidence, study Bible, living waters TV, all livingwaterscom.
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  Speaker 1: And don't forget the podcast YouTube channel, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, don't forget podcast at livingwaterscom.
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  Speaker 1: And don't forget the podcast YouTube channel, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, don't forget podcast at livingwaterscom.
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  Speaker 1: Friends, we want to hear your thoughts, your ideas, your questions, your criticisms of Mark.
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  Speaker 2: Raine.
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  Speaker 1: Oscar, thank you so much for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: Friends, we'll see you here next time on the Living Waters podcast, where we have no idea except when it comes to sound doctrine what we're doing.
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  Speaker 2: I think Disney wants your voice.