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Vanessa Beeley on Israel, Palestine, and Laughter | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: My name is Jim.
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  Speaker 2: This is Germ Warfare the Battle of Ideas.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Vanessa Beadie, thank you again for joining me in
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  Speaker 1: the trenches.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Jim, thanks for inviting me on.
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  Speaker 1: I always feel so weird doing that little intro. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: because we because we chat all the time, and it's
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  Speaker 1: like it's so artificial.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. Anyway, I mean I find the same
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  Speaker 2: because I'm obviously, you know, not a youtubeers such or
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  Speaker 2: not a podcaster as such, but every now and then
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  Speaker 2: I like to have conversations with people who I rely
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  Speaker 2: on for information, let's put it that way. But the
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  Speaker 2: thing is they are such good friends that when they
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  Speaker 2: do something like that, it's very difficult to what's the word,
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  Speaker 2: to kind of forget that friendship when you're talking with them.
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  Speaker 2: So it always comes across in a way. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's quite nice that I'm just having a chat with
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  Speaker 2: a friend about very serious issues. But nevertheless it's a
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  Speaker 2: very kind of open conversation, which I guess for some
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  Speaker 2: people is a bit surprising sometimes. But the things.
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  Speaker 1: You have to do, you have to be kind of
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  Speaker 1: lighthearted at times, otherwise you'll end up slitting your wrists.
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  Speaker 2: You know. It's funny. People. One of the accusations sometimes
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  Speaker 2: that I have love it at me is that you know,
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  Speaker 2: why am I laughing? But what people, what people kind
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  Speaker 2: of don't understand, is you will never find better humor
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  Speaker 2: than in these areas under attack. In Gaza, for example,
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  Speaker 2: the humor is off the scale that sounds insane. But
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  Speaker 2: even when I was talking to people I knew from
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  Speaker 2: when I was there in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, during
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  Speaker 2: the most recent escalated genocide. So from October the seventh,
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  Speaker 2: they're still kidding with me. You know, there's still they're
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  Speaker 2: still cracking jokes at me. And in a sense that
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  Speaker 2: is a coping mechanism. The same here. It's the same here.
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  Speaker 2: Some of the most serious situations, I'm on a kind
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  Speaker 2: of what's that group, and everyone's cracking jokes, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and even sometimes I'm like should I? But it's it's
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  Speaker 2: how people deal with it, because if not, the pressure
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  Speaker 2: is so great, the trauma is so great that there's
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  Speaker 2: no other way of dealing with it other than among
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  Speaker 2: themselves to make light of it. And you know, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think I've had it before, where for example, I've
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  Speaker 2: when I was living in Syria, and of course there
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  Speaker 2: was no electricity. I remember sharing a joke an actually
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  Speaker 2: that Assyrian had sent to me about I can't even
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  Speaker 2: remember the joke, but about there being a lack of electricity,
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  Speaker 2: and I kind of I got attacked by people saying, wow,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you're you're degrading the situation that Syrians in
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  Speaker 2: one I was living in Syria. Two. This was a
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  Speaker 2: joke actually sent to me by Assyrian, which was a
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  Speaker 2: kind of a universal joke among Syrians because, as they said,
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  Speaker 2: when you were in that situation, suation, what can you
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  Speaker 2: do other than make light of it? Because in a sense,
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  Speaker 2: that lifts you out of the depression, the trauma, the
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  Speaker 2: very real darkness of the situation that you're in. That's
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  Speaker 2: what we do. Also.
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  Speaker 1: I mean in South Africa, we have huge amounts of
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  Speaker 1: infrastructural problems and so we joke about them. Rolling blackouts
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  Speaker 1: is you know is a common theme in South Africa.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And one of the one of the jokes that
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  Speaker 1: I've been making for years is you know what we
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  Speaker 1: had before before candles was electricity And yeah, yes, because
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  Speaker 1: what I mean, what else can you do other than laugh?
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  Speaker 2: But also it's for me it's kind of it's sort
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  Speaker 2: of sad in a way because I look back at
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  Speaker 2: British humor when I was growing up. So I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to reveal my age, but anyway, back in the
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  Speaker 2: kind of let's say, seventies, eighties, nineties, it was so irreverent,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if I think of spitting image, if I
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  Speaker 2: think of Dave Allen, Monty Python, it was so irreverent
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  Speaker 2: and nothing was kind of off limits. Now even humor
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  Speaker 2: became politically correct, right, And I just think that's so
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  Speaker 2: sad because people used to almost vent their frustrations, their
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  Speaker 2: opinions and so on through comedy. That doesn't happen anymore.
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  Speaker 2: So to a degree, I think there's a lack of
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  Speaker 2: connection for people. There's a feeling of isolation because whatever
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  Speaker 2: their political views, whatever their frustrations, etc. It's not being
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  Speaker 2: expressed publicly and openly anymore.
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  Speaker 1: So you live in a country that is constantly being attacked, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I do, right, and whatever I go through
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  Speaker 2: it is nothing. I am literally just transmitting the horrors
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  Speaker 2: of what people in Lubanon are going through, and formerly,
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  Speaker 2: of course, what people in Syria were going through. I
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  Speaker 2: was also in Gaza during the twenty twelve Zionist aggression
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  Speaker 2: and then back there in twenty thirteen. But whatever I experience,
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  Speaker 2: it's a fraction of what the people here I'm now
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  Speaker 2: in Lubanon, what the people in Lebanon are being forced
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  Speaker 2: to go through and endure. And the thing is, when
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  Speaker 2: you talk about post traumatic stress disorder, here, there's no
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  Speaker 2: post there's no day after stress. There's just continuous trauma
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  Speaker 2: and stress. So it's their homes are being destroyed in
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  Speaker 2: the South, whether their families are being targeted, whether they
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  Speaker 2: are being targeted right, whether they are being one point
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  Speaker 2: two million displaced here in Lebanon now and displaced again
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  Speaker 2: and again because those that were, for example, displaced from
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  Speaker 2: southern Lebanon to perhaps the southern suburbs of Beirut, and
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  Speaker 2: then most recently Israel has put out a mass evacuation
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  Speaker 2: order for the southern suburbs of Beirut. So these people
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  Speaker 2: are not displaced once, they're displaced multiple times, and in
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  Speaker 2: the meantime they're I was just reading before I came
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  Speaker 2: on a post on Instagram from a family who left
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  Speaker 2: the South, and they they can get satellite images of
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  Speaker 2: the villages and towns where they come from, so they
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  Speaker 2: can see the mass destruction and demolition of those villages
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  Speaker 2: and towns. But then they have to also watch random
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  Speaker 2: reports of Israeli soldiers going into their house and desecrating
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  Speaker 2: their belongings, their clothes, their items, personal items, memories, history
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  Speaker 2: in that home, in that family home. Right, it's very
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  Speaker 2: difficult to I think, for people to grasp the real
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  Speaker 2: trauma of what is going on here, and of course
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  Speaker 2: what is continuing in Gaza, Gaza where now I think
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  Speaker 2: sixty five percent Previously with the yellow line that the
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  Speaker 2: Zonus imposed inside Gaza, which separated fifty eight percent of
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  Speaker 2: Gaza and the most agriculturally viable area of Gaza from
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  Speaker 2: the Gazan population, which is increasingly being pushed into a
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  Speaker 2: smaller and smaller area of Garzen territory, which even initially
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  Speaker 2: was I think it's around forty kilometers by twelve kilometers.
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  Speaker 2: It's the size of the Isle of Wight, that's my
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how that would relate to somewhere in America,
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  Speaker 2: but it's tiny. And now they're basically, of course, they're
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  Speaker 2: encroaching on that yellow line, so they're building effectively another
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  Speaker 2: apartheid wall or barrier along the yellow line, and then
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  Speaker 2: they're putting an orange line which is a buffer zone
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  Speaker 2: between the people of Guysa and the Yellow line, which
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  Speaker 2: is eventually, I assume going to be another apartheid wall
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  Speaker 2: with military bases. I think there's now something like thirty
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  Speaker 2: eight military forts bases being built along the yellow line
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  Speaker 2: and in areas to the Zionist occupation side of the
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  Speaker 2: wall itself or the barrier itself, from which they are
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  Speaker 2: continuing to snipe and target Palestinians in what is left
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  Speaker 2: of Gaza, which is on the coastal side.
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  Speaker 1: Something that I can't laugh about is a recent subject
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  Speaker 1: that you wrote about, ritual abuse.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, this is this is ongoing. I mean, I've
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  Speaker 2: written now three pieces about this. The first was basically
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  Speaker 2: a collection of all of the cases of child abuse,
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  Speaker 2: child right torture in Israeli society, the fact that Israel
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  Speaker 2: is effectively nominated at peterphil Haven, and also all of this,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, is written about in Hebrew media. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't actually use, I don't think from memory, a single
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  Speaker 2: Western report on this, although of course there are some
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  Speaker 2: that have picked it up from the Hebrew media. Itself.
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  Speaker 2: That's number one. We then have the cases of like
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  Speaker 2: just mass rape in the prison environment of children of
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  Speaker 2: women of Palestinian male prisoners, not only by male soldiers
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  Speaker 2: but by female There are reports of them training dogs
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  Speaker 2: to conduct the rape. There are rape in by all
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  Speaker 2: manner of ways that they can possibly do it to
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  Speaker 2: the point where actually they are killing people through the
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  Speaker 2: destruction of their internal organs with whatever they're using for
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  Speaker 2: the rape. Then there's also an eighteen month old child. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this was he wasn't raped, but this was a situation
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  Speaker 2: in Gaza fairly recently where a father whose horse had
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  Speaker 2: been also killed that was his only means of income.
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  Speaker 2: He had left the home to try and go and
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  Speaker 2: find some food. He took his eighteen month old baby
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  Speaker 2: boy with him. He was fired upon to the point
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  Speaker 2: where he was forced to put the child on the
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  Speaker 2: ground and go to the zonus checkpoint. At that point
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  Speaker 2: they stripped the father naked for interrogation, and they went
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  Speaker 2: to pick up the eighteen month old child and in
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  Speaker 2: front of the father to force him to confess to
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  Speaker 2: whatever accusation they were levying at him. They burned the
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  Speaker 2: eighteen month old child with cigarettes and they stuck a
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  Speaker 2: nail into the eighteen month old boy Kerry. Eventually the
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  Speaker 2: child was handed back to Red Cross International. The father
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  Speaker 2: is still being detained. But you know, even if we
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  Speaker 2: move on to what they did to the reports now
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  Speaker 2: coming from the Global Sumud flotilla, for example, so this
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  Speaker 2: isn't related only to Palestinians, although of course Palestinians are
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  Speaker 2: suffering it on a scale far greater. At the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, the flotilla activists can go home. They're
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  Speaker 2: not going to remain in that detention, in that situation forever.
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  Speaker 2: Palestinians are and they've never you know, they've never had
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  Speaker 2: any release or respite from this, and it's been incrementally
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  Speaker 2: increasing in its savagery. It's sadism, it's demonic cruelty towards Palestinians,
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  Speaker 2: which is then transferred to anyone who's supporting the Palestinian cause.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what they did to some of the women
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  Speaker 2: and even the men, but particularly to the women that
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  Speaker 2: have now spoken out about rape and abuse, torture and
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  Speaker 2: so on, and just unbelievable abject cruelty towards them and
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  Speaker 2: total impunity. They are literally not expecting anyone to prosecute
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  Speaker 2: them for what they're actually doing. And so what does
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  Speaker 2: that do that constantly raises the ceiling of what they're
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  Speaker 2: able to do. And now we're in the cycle, we're
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  Speaker 2: literally children. That one has to assume because the previous
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  Speaker 2: report was by again Hebrew media, Israel Hyam and that
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  Speaker 2: I think was about a year ago, which spoke very
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  Speaker 2: in a very detailed way, very detailed investigation into religious
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  Speaker 2: ritual child rape and child abuse by parents, family members,
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  Speaker 2: religious rabbis, within religious educational circles. And again that has
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  Speaker 2: been touched upon by this latest Knesset linked investigation. Now,
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  Speaker 2: my point has always been if it has reached a
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  Speaker 2: level where even organizations linked to the Knesset itself are
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  Speaker 2: having to actually provide reports and investigations, that means that
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  Speaker 2: it's only touching the tip of the iceberg. That means
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  Speaker 2: it has reached such a saturation level in Zionus society
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  Speaker 2: that they have to be seen to be doing something
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  Speaker 2: about it. Right, and this and it doesn't remain in Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Look at the rate by Israeli Taurus in Cyprus for example,
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  Speaker 2: or the Aviv mccabee fans that were banned from coming
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  Speaker 2: to the UK and the UK government protested the ban
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  Speaker 2: by the Metropolitan Police despite the clear evidence of violence
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  Speaker 2: from the Tel Aviv Maccabee fans. Right, So, it isn't
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  Speaker 2: something that is contained on the inside Israel. It's something
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  Speaker 2: that permeates throughout the entire community, in my opinion, particularly
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  Speaker 2: if you look at the ultra Orthodox Jews for example,
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  Speaker 2: look at the tunnels that were found in New York.
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  Speaker 2: There is multiple kind of connections, and then the connection
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  Speaker 2: to Epstein, of course, you know which is which is
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  Speaker 2: clearly linked to Israel. It all sounds quite Tom Woodik, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and it's it's yeah, I mean, it's just you know,
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  Speaker 2: and then you look at the connections into the ruling elite.
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  Speaker 2: Look at what's happening in Albania. Now, you know the
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  Speaker 2: the Ivanka Trump Jared Kushna buying up of Suzanne Island,
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  Speaker 2: which is causing huge protests in Albania because of course
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  Speaker 2: they're claiming it's it's land without a people. Again, it isn't.
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  Speaker 2: It's a it's an environmental ecological protected area where people
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  Speaker 2: are fishing, farming and so on, and those people are
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  Speaker 2: being driven out from their land. They're being discounted. Right
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  Speaker 2: in favor of a one point four billion Trump Kushna
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  Speaker 2: Israel project, because Kushner acts as a as a kind
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  Speaker 2: of land agent for Israel, and Israel is also embedding
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  Speaker 2: itself in the education system in Albania, in the AI
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  Speaker 2: data center system in Albania, which we know is eventually
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  Speaker 2: going to be an extremely detrimental drain on natural water
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  Speaker 2: resources globally, and Israel is leading that push for AI
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  Speaker 2: data centers in Albania in particular. But then also look
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  Speaker 2: at Cypress. How Israel is creep occupying Cypress, It's embedding
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  Speaker 2: itself in Greece. And you know what that brings with
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  Speaker 2: it is this entire I am not joking when I
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  Speaker 2: say Israel is a pedophile haven pedophiles in the US,
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  Speaker 2: and this is documented and reported on by again Hebrew media.
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  Speaker 2: Pedophiles in the US that face persecution confert to Judaism
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  Speaker 2: so they can move to Israel where they know they're
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  Speaker 2: not going to be prosecuted.
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  Speaker 1: You spoke about the creep, but I mean Syrias, it's
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  Speaker 1: not even subtle.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that was of course not yeah, no, of
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  Speaker 2: course not. I mean the Greater Israel project is something else.
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  Speaker 2: But how Israel is embedding itself in Latin America, in Africa,
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  Speaker 2: I think we talked about this sort of briefly. Even
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  Speaker 2: in South Africa, there's a very strong Zionist thread running
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  Speaker 2: through much of governmental and institutional infrastructures.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty much all our major parties have got Zionis funding.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course this is a familiar pattern, right,
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  Speaker 2: because if we look at the capture of the United
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  Speaker 2: States by the Zionist movement or the Christian Zionist movement,
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  Speaker 2: which is kind of an oxymoron in itself, or the
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  Speaker 2: capture the state capture of the UK, which has a
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  Speaker 2: UK Israel twenty thirty roadmap which effectively means the expansion
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  Speaker 2: and extension of Israeli influence into all sectors of British life,
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  Speaker 2: and people are not aware. I mean this includes the
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  Speaker 2: health sectors, it includes the education sectors, it includes cybersecurity sectors,
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  Speaker 2: AI sectors, digital surveillance sectors, and it's kind of terrifying.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, just to give you an example, in the UK,
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  Speaker 2: there's one organization called Talias which as effect, was set
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  Speaker 2: up by former Unit eight two hundred specialists whatever you
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  Speaker 2: call them, right, spy unit basically, and they are remodeling
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  Speaker 2: the treatment for depression industry into what into an AI
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  Speaker 2: complex where basically you don't see a doctor, you don't
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  Speaker 2: see a psychotherapist, you don't see someone who can genuinely
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  Speaker 2: help you to deal with whatever trauma you're dealing with. No, basically,
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  Speaker 2: put your symptoms into some kind of AI data collection
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  Speaker 2: base and they send you a prescription for the antidepressants
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  Speaker 2: that you should take. This is the system that they
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  Speaker 2: are bringing in, and it's literally being adopted in various
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  Speaker 2: national health centers in the UK as something revolutionary. It's
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  Speaker 2: not revolutionary. It will distance human from human and it
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  Speaker 2: will effectively drug the population for the foreseeable future and
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  Speaker 2: reduce their ability, of course, to dissent, to argue against
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  Speaker 2: establishment pressure and establishment legislation and so on. It's extraordinary.
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  Speaker 2: That's just one aspect. In Latin America, you now have
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  Speaker 2: the version, the Latin American version of the Abraham Accords,
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  Speaker 2: which is the ISAAC Accords, which was established by President
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  Speaker 2: Melee and our Tina, who is clearly obviously a Zionist,
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  Speaker 2: and that is now being Basically America and Israel are
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  Speaker 2: working hand in hand in Latin America to oust any
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  Speaker 2: left leaning government and replace it with right wing fascist
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  Speaker 2: governments that are effectively going to then be wedded to
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  Speaker 2: Zionist occupation and in spheres of influence inside Latin America.
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  Speaker 2: And we're seeing it now in Patagonia, where you've had
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  Speaker 2: a series of wildfires and the government is now saying, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we're lifting all restrictions on land sales in
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  Speaker 2: the area where there were the wildfires, and that's bringing
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: in a ton of Israeli occupiers, colonizers. Basically, even in Peru,
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  Speaker 2: a friend of mine, journalist Fiora lo Isabel, she's there
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  Speaker 2: and she's talking about protests against Chabad Lubovitch establishingities in
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  Speaker 2: the very poor agricultural areas of Peru. So this is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this is when when we talk about and
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  Speaker 2: we'll come on to this, when we talk about dealing
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  Speaker 2: with the central enemy. In my opinion, there is not one.
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  Speaker 2: There is an entire complex. It's not just China. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and actually, in my opinion, from the research I've done,
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  Speaker 2: the biggest threat is Israel because even within China itself, China,
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  Speaker 2: despite the genocide against Palestinians, and it's not only in Gaza,
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  Speaker 2: of course, it's also in the West Bank ongoing. So ultimately,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's odd because China has a one state
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  Speaker 2: policy for Cyprus and a two state policy for Palestine,
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  Speaker 2: which for me is kind of a contradiction in itself. Right,
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  Speaker 2: If you support a one state policy in Cyprus, then
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  Speaker 2: why on earth wouldn't you support a one state policy
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  Speaker 2: in Palestine because it was originally Palestine. That's number one.
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  Speaker 2: Number two, they have effectively done nothing economically to impose
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  Speaker 2: sanctions or restrictions on Israel while it's committing a recognized
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  Speaker 2: genocide against Palestinians in Gaza. In fact, it's increased its
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  Speaker 2: investments and its trade. Are you talking about China?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, okay, we must be careful you because you
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  Speaker 1: and I are you know, we are apparently China Maxing.
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  Speaker 1: Have you heard that too?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I have, and I have explained multiple times that
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  Speaker 2: I definitely don't China max. I definitely have very clear
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  Speaker 2: demarcation lines on both China and Russia. And they're basically
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  Speaker 2: number one their support for Israel and number two. And
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  Speaker 2: they seen tech to Israel. Yeah, they sent tech. But
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  Speaker 2: they've also more importantly, there are reports demonstrating that China
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  Speaker 2: has invested in the settlement programs in the West Bank. One.
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  Speaker 2: Two it's heavily invested in high report and that was
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  Speaker 2: reiterated even I think as early as January or February
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  Speaker 2: this year, that you know, it hasn't reduced. China is
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  Speaker 2: investing through multiple backdoor agencies because there are restrictions on
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Chinese investment, but not because of China, because of the
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: US telling Israel we don't want China getting too much
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: of a foothold inside Israel. So what is actually happening,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and again there are reports on this. China is using
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: a kind of backdoor policy through agencies in Israel to
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: invest in AI energy centers and so on. Right, it's
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: invested in Haifo, which of course is the main recipient
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: of weapons, main recipient port for weapons and so on
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: for use against Palestinians. At the same time, also, because
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I don't only I don't only look at Israel, I
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: look at the entire what I call the Zionist bloc,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: and that includes the UAE, Saudi Arabia states which were
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: non states really, which were created by the British to
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: act as protectorates for the ZIG. Yeah, the Persian Gulf states, yes,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: not the Arab Gulf states. But yeah, the Zionist Arab
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: states basically, right. And China's primary partner in the region
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: is the UAE. And if we look at the UAE,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: the u is acting largely again as an expansion agent
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: for Israel in the Horn of Africa, in Sudan, in Somaliland, UAE,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: there's a AI company there, Dark Matter that was literally
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: employing former Unit eight two hundred people from Israel and
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: in or as an incentive, they were buying them property
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: in Cyprus. What does that mean? That is literally enabling
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the expansion of the Zionus into further into Europe and
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: into the main maritime lanes, economic trade lanes basically of course,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: so China's involvement even with the UAE, It's supplying weapons
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: to the UAE, which are then ending up in the
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: hands of the RSF, which is committing genocide in Sudan.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: At the same time, China is supplying weapons directly to
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: the saf the Sudanese forces, right. And if I look
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: at Yemen, China was supplying the wing lung drawings to
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia to be used against Yemeny's It was also
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: at the same time effectively looting Yemeny oil, buying it
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: at lower rates, discounted prices because China. Everyone says, you know, oh,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Iran wouldn't survive without China. Well, also the other way around,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: because China is buying discounted oil or was from Venezuela,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: from Iran, from all countries under sanctions, So it's of
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: benefit to China for those countries to be under sanction effectively. Right,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: then if we go back to Israel, the number of
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: abstentions I mean, Russia and China abstained on the t
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I call it the Final Solution Plan because it's not
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: a peace plan. I mean, there's no way on Earth
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: this can be called a peace plan. It was just
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: literally redirecting focus away from Gaza to enable the continued
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: genocide at low intensity, and that is effectively what is
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: now happening. Garzens are being left to die of starvation, disease, injury,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: continued bombing, burning of the refugee tents with white phosphorus,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: and saw on rat infestation which brings its own disease
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: and plague into the camps. Right, So it's literally it's
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: so predatory because they're almost like you know, waiting in
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: the wings for it all to be over so they
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: can bring Kushner in to build his waterfront palaces and
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: so on, and turn it into the free trade zone,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: which will be the central component of the India Middle
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: East Economic Corridor. That's what they're actually waiting for here,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: and that's why. And also sorry, the Garsen gas and
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: the Lebanese gas. Yeah, you know which gardens have never
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: been able to explore or benefit from. Well, in fact,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: all of it is Garsen gas if you think of it,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Even that which is off the occupied Palestinian territories that
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Israel is using and exploiting, that is also Palestinian gas.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: But Palestinians don't get any benefit from Israel's use of it,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: of course. No. Also if you look at Lebanon, where
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Israel is intending to expand too, which is up and
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: up to the Latani River, but they're also including the
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: coastal section, which takes into account the gas reserves off
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: the coast of Lebanon. It's it's about water and gas.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Water is also something that people don't take into account
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: because the fact that they want to extend to the
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Latani River is about water. It also includes all of
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: the water resources in the region these Zionist expansion plans
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: because Syria, they've effectively already occupied the Golan territories, which
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: provide Israel with thirty percent of its water needs. They've
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: now taken over areas of Syria which also are major
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: water resources, not only for Syria but also for Jordan.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: If they extend up the eastern corridor of Syria, which
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: they name the David Corridor, which will take them up
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: to the Euphrates, there, of course they will come into
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: conflict with Turkey. And I think the conflict with Turkey
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: is somewhat inevitable at some point. But it's about resources.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: But it's not only about oil. It's actually even perhaps
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: more importantly about water. Israel is an arid zone, right,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: and that's why, of course, historically they've stolen water sources
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: from Palestine and prevented Palestinians from having access to their
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: own fresh water sources.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Now there's an interesting tug of war going on here, Venessa.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: A few of my previous guests have argued that the
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: world is starting to see they're opening the curtain. They're
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: able to see what's going on, you know, thanks to
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: the Internet and podcast and that kind of thing. And
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: some of them have even said that Israel won't make
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: it two hundred years.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: What do you think? I thought? My problem is it's
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: not only about Israel. Israel is one component. If you like,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Israel is the beachhead. It's the entity that was created
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: in particular to put a wedge between any kind of
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Pan Arabism, any kind of unification of the Arab world,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: which was happening through Egypt and Syria, the UAR the
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: United Republic, right, And that was exactly when when those
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: ambitions for Pan Arabism were really gathering traction, Israel was
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: suddenly created. That's number one. But Israel as one link
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: in the Zionist movement chain, it's a very crucial link.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: It's a very important one because, as Robert Kennedy Jr.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Actually stated very clearly before Trump's election, Israel is there
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: as a bullock. It's there as intelligence gatherer into ference providers,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: or in other words, yes, it's providing the interference that
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: the US needs in this region to weaken any independent
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: governments like we saw in Syria. Not only since twenty eleven,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: but for the last seventy five years, there have been
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: multiple CIA MI six operations in Syria to remove one
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: regime or the other, one government or the other, I
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: should say, not to use Western lexicon and to impose
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: a Western leaning government that will be of advantage to
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: the US and the UK neo colonialist movement. So will
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Israel be gone? I don't actually think so. And I
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: think the problem is if people start talking like that,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: it's a bit like saying those that use the argument, well,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: you know, China's playing the long game. If it just
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: sits there and does nothing, the US is going to
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: destroy itself. I don't. I just don't. I don't trust
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: this argument at all. What China doing? What's best for China? Yeah,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's Look, people in America should really understand.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I mean Trump has made it very clear when he
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: was asked, do you care about the impact on the
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: American people of the war in her own and he
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: was like no, I yeah, basically I don't give a shit.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: The people should understand that I'm doing this for their benefit.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Because Iran has a nuclear weapon, how does that affect
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: people in the United States? But the cost of fuel,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: the lack of helium, the lack of fertilizers, the lack
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: of all manner of products that are dependent on the hormost. Straight.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: It's not only oil, right, is going to have a
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: massive impact long term. They're perhaps not seeing the full
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: impact right now because it takes time for that to
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: kind of pass down the supply chain and so on,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: but they will, and it's going to get harder and
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: harder or more and more expensive.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: You make an interesting argument when you say that Israel,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: the state of Israel itself, is only one kind of
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: link in the chain. I mean, the first thing that
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: came to my mind is basically the infiltration of Protestant Christianity,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: which is where that term Christian Zionism kind of feeds into.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, You've got like seventy eighty million Americans that
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: are actually doing the job of Israel for Israel.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of them are in Trump's administration.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: You know, look at Hagsath, Mike Huckabee, the ambassador to Israel,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: and so on. I mean, they're all not cases as
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned. Did you see that? Did you
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: see that video recently?
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you shared it or somebody else
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: shared where they were a bunch of American church pastors praying.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, no, and forgive my country for their anti
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: semitic Yeah. No, that that was insane. It's supolished it.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean I was because there were British representatives.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I think from memory there were even Chinese. I could
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: be wrong on that, but I think there were because
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I shared it with someone just like China. Why is
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: China sending someone to do all this? It was insane.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: What it reminded me of was that scene where Trump
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: is surrounded by all these pastors basically blessing his mission
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: in life. I mean that was also weird. Yeah, but
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: look at his who is she then God?
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: And it's the same as those people who kissed that
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: wall and they start crying and they get so emotional
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: about a brick wall.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: The whaling wall, yes, yeah, and they touch it and
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: they and they start crying. Yeah. I mean I don't know.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I would cry.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: The only time I would cry as if as if
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: my house starts breaking into pieces. That's the only time
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I get emotionally connected to rocks.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: No. I probably disagree with you though, because having lived
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: in Syria and when you go to somewhere like Palmira,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: or you go somewhere like the old city of Damascus,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: where I know, but honestly, there it's like when you
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: sit quietly and actually even if you go out into
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: the countryside, and I used to love doing that in Syria,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: just kind of going up into the mountains above Latakia
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: and just sitting. It was quite rare to be able
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: to do that, you know, and you you when you
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: focus on it, the history that you feel. But the
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: thing is for Israel, it's stolen history. So it's it's
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: you know, it's appropriated history. Look at the end of
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: the day, and David Miller made this point very recently.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: It might even have been on talking to you. Where
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Christians don't have a state, Muslims don't have it, and
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: and it's such a simple point, but it's it's absolutely true.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: You know, it's it's and you're appropriating, just as is
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: happening in Latin America, just as it is happening in
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: areas of Africa, even in the Sarhel, that they're trying
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: to infiltrate, particularly through Chad, through all, you know, every
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: way they possibly can. And just sorry, I'm hopping around
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: a bit here, but even to come back to China,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Trump's summit with Xijingping. Every single one of those billionaires
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: that he brought with him is either Zionist or Prosionist, vehemently.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: So you know, so for me, this is this is
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: another It's infiltration wherever you see them enacting expansion into
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: whether it's business, religion, health, any sector. That's what it is.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: It's infiltration. I don't see it as anything positive for
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: any of those countries. You know, I get criticism that
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: I'm so focused on Israel, but I guess my argument
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: would be, but then other people are so focused on
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: China or on living Yeah, exactly, But whether I do
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: or not, I mean, David Miller is the same. You know,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: he and I are very much. He's you know, unbelievably.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: I think he's now probably the world expert in the
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Zionus Origins movement, what it represents and so on, and
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: how it's expanding. But the thing is, living in this region.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: You understand how predatory it is from from a kind
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: of first hand basis. There's no mercy none, zero. You know,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: there's no humanity, literally none. If you're captured by an
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Israeli you don't for there's absolutely no on convention international
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: law that is going to protect you. Nothing and every
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: country in this world except for the Resistance Axis, which
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: of course is headed up by Iran. It's not in
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: control of any of the independent members of the Resistance Axis. No,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: they are not proxies. But is Iran, and Iran is
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: effectively standing alone against the US. Israelily aggressian. And I
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: know people are going to say, but Russia, but China, No,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: forget it. Iran has a policy of strategic independence, right
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: and it has maintained that for various reasons quite understandable.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: It doesn't trust Russia historically, I mean from the eighteen
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: hundreds onwards, Russia has been a very dubious at sometimes
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: enemy of Iran, at other times kind of a shaky partnership.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, from my time in Syria, I know, to
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: what extent Russia was very much working with Israel to
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: reduce the influence of Iran in the region. And it
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: was enabling Israel. I won't say enabling, it was standing
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: down when Israel was targeting ISRAELI I'm sorry, Iranian elements
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: inside Syria helping Syria to fight against international terrorism.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: When you talk about these these macro kind of decisions
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: by Russia and China, et cetera. Do you think that
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: they make decisions based on ideology first or perhaps just pragmatism.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, China is known for being pragmatic in many ways.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: You don't think exactly.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: There's no ideology involved, no none, you know, whoever is
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: strategically important to them at any given time. It's totally
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: revolves around what serves the interests of Russia or of China.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: And at some points there might be an intersection with
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: the interests of for example, the resistance access. But it
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: was Sayatasan Osrola, the leader of Hazbola who was assassinated
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: by Israel. But he said, I think back in twenty
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: seventeen that while they appreciate what Russia has done in Syria,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: they don't consider Russia an ideological ally and this is
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: the mistake that many people make. They kind of lump
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Russia and China in with the genuine resistance against the
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: most predatory elements in our world today. But ultimately, and
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: this is my opinion, Russia and China would rather be
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: in with those predatory elements than on the outside and isolate,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: as are the members of the resistance axis, and as
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: is Iran for example, we can see now that Russia
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: is effectively through Kirol Demetriev and probably other related oligogus
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: and fifth columnists, they are definitely trying to get closer
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: to America. They're definitely trying to do deals with America.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: And if you look at the reaction from various intellectuals
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: and analysts in China after the Xijingping Trump summit, they're
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: all trumpeting the potential for a new dawn of relations
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: between China and the US. And ultimately, look, a friend
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: of mine, professor Esa Bloomy, kind of puts it very well.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: He said, it's just like a mafia cartel. They're going
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: to fall out over certain aspects of their economic interests, right,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: They're going to want dominance over one another, but ultimately
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: they're not going to destroy relations to the point of
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: impacting on their own survival. And that is the difference.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Because Iran's Iran's ideology, which is deeply embedded in their
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: constitution and the Islamic Revolution ideology is the protection of
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: the oppressed. That ideology does not exist in any way,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: shape or form in Russia or in China.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know that someone will hear what you
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: just said and go, yeah, but they oppress their own
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: people like Iranian women.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go to Tehran, you will not find I tell
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: you something, Iranian women are scarily empowered. And I say
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: that as a Western woman. I've never met stronger women
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: who are in positions of influence and to a degree
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: in Iran, across Iran, and by the way, the whole
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: hijab thing, I mean, look in Syria, which was formerly
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent secular, right there was the banning of
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: the nikab the basically which is Saudi anyway, not Iranian.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: In Iran, you don't have to wear the nick cub,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: you don't have to cover your face. That comes from
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Wahabism and from Saudi Arabia predominantly. Now it's being introduced
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: in Syria, a country where before literally it was banned
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: back in even before twenty eleven, I think it was
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: twenty nine it was, it was banned in all institutions
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: in Syria. So in Syria, Western interference, Zionist interference, has
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: pushed Syria back to the dark ages. Right from a
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: point of view of women, women can't leave their homes
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: in Syria now without fear of getting abducted or raped
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: or kidnapped or murdered. Okay, and it run as I said,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: even if you go there like most people, if you
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: go to the Tehran male or if you go to
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: the market in any city, the majority of women are
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: actually not covering their heads. And ultimately all it is
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: is just put a scarf over your head. You can
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: wear a hat, you can wear whatever you want. Right,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: So this whole and how many times have we started
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: wars because of women's rights? That really went down well
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: in Afghanistan.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: A friend of mine is married to an Uranian woman,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: and he goes to Iran fairly off and to visit
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: a family, and he messages me from this saying, what
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: are they talking about?
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: What are they talking about? Yeah? Exactly, exactly, No, No,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: it's and part of the frustration in some ways of
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: in certain instances why Iran has taken so long to
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: react is because it respects its own democratic processes, which
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: is something we no longer. They don't exist anymore in
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: the Western world, right, they have been completely eradicated. The
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: ruling class no longer represent anyone in the working class
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: or the general population. They don't they represent the interest
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: of those that are paying them. Those that are facilitating
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: their rise to power and sworn. How many billionaires are
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: there in Iran.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: I've got no idea, zero zero, sure.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: The only ones, the only Iranians that are billionaires are
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: the ones that left and are now in diaspora in
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: the West, like Pierre or Media for example. But even
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: then there's only four or five. They have usury free
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: banking in Iran that was legislated in nineteen eighty three. Interesting,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: it's very free. Sure, that's interesting.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because nobody, nobody looks at this like
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: the whole reason that Iran and Syria and even has
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Blow because has Blow has its own banking system here
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: that Israel is bombing because again it's usually free.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: What happens people take I mean people in this region't
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: keep their wealth or their money or their savings in
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: gold very often. So what they'll do is take the
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: gold to the bank. The bank will give them the
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: find the cash equivalent to the goal. The gold will
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: be kept like kind of like an old fashioned pawn shop, right,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: but there's no interest involved. So ultimately either they pay
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: off the loan and then they go back and take
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: their goal back. Right. So it's just it's it's that's
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: how it works on a very simplistic level. And anyone
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty three, they brought in after their Islamming revolution,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: they brought in usury free banking. It was legislated, and
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: that's why these countries are under such attack. They have
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: free healthcare, free education, usury free banking, et cetera, Syria
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: the same.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: We've gone through this entire conversation and you haven't yet
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: promoted China. So please, for the sake of our detractors,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: can't you say something nice about China?
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Please?
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Because you've seen the attacks, right, the hit pieces that
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: have been written about us in u K column.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I have. Yeah, of course I have.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: I mean I've been dragged into them by certain former
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: members of UK column who thought it was a.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: Well yes we can now because well because because without
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: the statements and the Adams and by extension, Michael Ginsburg,
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: Revoya Morrik David Hues, They've all they've all written pieces
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: about us.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Apparently we just love China. Yeah, I know, there's no
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: nuance to their view at all. Positive look from from
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: from my perspective, and maybe it is a very narrow perspective.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not interested in all the benefits of China or
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Russia until they stop genocide in this world today and
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: they stop the Zionist entity from expanding its predatory, sadistic,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: murderous policies throughout the world. I'm not interested. Right, they
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: can have the best high speed railways, they can have
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: whatever they want. That's fine in China. But if you,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: as two of the most powerful countries in the world today,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: can't lift a finger to prevent the horrific genocide, escalated
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: genocide that we've seen since October the seventh, and you
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: can't even bring yourself to stop trading with the entity
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: that is committing that genocide. Which when you're constantly trumpeting
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: international law, un Charters, Geneva Convention, humanitarian law, but you're
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: not upholding it, then I have an issue because this
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: isn't about morality. This is about you're putting out statements
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: claiming you want a better world, you want sovereignty for countries.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Where's the sovereignty for Palestine? Right when you have a
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: country like Yemen that's been under attack since twenty fifteen,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: that is fully blockaded, starving, without medical care, still under attack,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: still occupied, and yet it is the one that shut
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: down the Babel Mandeb straights, which under the Genocide Convention
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: it is absolutely correct to do to prevent and punish genocide.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: I didn't see Russia or China doing anything as an
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: equivalent when they have formed far more power to be
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: able to do it, So you know, from that perspective, No,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: I don't necessarily have anything positive to say about China
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: because I'm not me personally. I'm not interested until I
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: see them step in to actually stop what is.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: Ongoing, and as useless and as in as our government is,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: at least our government attempted to some degree hold Israel accountable.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they did, and I think, I mean, you know
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: better than I do. Potentially that came from within the
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: legal system in every country. There are elements that are decent,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: even in Russia, even in well, I'm not going to
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: say even in China, even in Russia, but there are
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: there are. This is another problem is many of these
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: people use arguments that are so homogeneous. Say I've actually
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: seen one of them kind of say, oh, well, you know,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Iran's part of the Satanic kabbal, Yes, that's the other ones. Yeah,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: they're all they're all in it together. Yeah, they're all
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: in it together. And I'm just you know, I this
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: kind of this kind of reduction of debate and discussion
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: just is depressing for me because I can guarantee not
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: one of them that are writing these hit pieces on Hamas,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: and Michael Ginsburg very much does this. By the way,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: he's a self professed Israeli patriot, He's a self professed
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: supporter of the State of Israel. I'm not putting words
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: in his mouth. I have the screenshot he's against Hamas
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: again putting the I'm not putting words in his mouth.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm taking it from his own statements. He's effectively
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: a Zionist. If you support the State of Israel in
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: any form, you're a Zionist, because that's what the State
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: of Israel represents. Right. Yes, he did serve in the
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: IOF in the Air defense. The only things that I've
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: found that he's written about the genocide he calls it
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: the Israel Hummas War, which again is totally misleading, and
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: of course he portrays it entirely as a sciop. And
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: again I want to make the point that this idea
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: of it all being a liehop, siop, whatever op you
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: want to call it undermines the agency of the resistance.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: And when you have an actual self professed Zionist putting
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: out this kind of narrative, I find it highly revealing.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Right when that narrative is then picked up and used
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: by people within the independent media sphere who never, by
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: the way, as far as I can see, reach out
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: to people in Iran. And I'm actually doing a conversation
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: tomorrow with aesan Safer Drad. Yes you have, but I'm
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: talking about them, right, So they're coming to the conclusion
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: that literally Iran is part of the Satanic kabal without
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: looking into any of the details of their constitution, of
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: their infrastructure, their banking system, nothing.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Right now, I would rather live in Iran than I
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: would in any Western country. And when these narratives are
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: put out which basically dismisses any of the resistance elements
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: as just being part of a sile, what does that do?
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: That just makes people switch off it? Well, what's the
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: point of paying attention to the mass slaughter of Lebanese
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: civilians because it's all part of you know, they're all
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: it's all theater. Yeah, and you know, well, how many
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: structures did Iran really damage? I mean, all these questions
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: which don't take into account any of the actual real
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: situation in Iran, a country which has been under sanctions
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: for forty seven years, and then the whole idea that
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: the Supreme Leader Ila Komene was brought in by the CIA. Again,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: I'll actually be talking to a young Iranian analyst and
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: I've primed him with all the questions that I want
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: to ask because he has an opinion on it. Anyway,
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: he just didn't think it was important. And that's another thing.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: People in this region when they hear this stuff, they're
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: just like whatever, Like, you know, we know what the
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: situation is, why do we have to argue. But he's
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: now starting to understand that actually it's gathering traction in
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: the West and that it is damaging the agency of
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: the resistance ACCESS in the West. Yeah.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, what I've come to conclude following the last
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: few months of these hit pieces is less a lot
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: of these quote unquote independent journalists are just intellectually lazy,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: and they're all sort of cross posting one another and
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: saying the same thing. It's all like it all comes
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: from like a central Intel playbook really, and it's a
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: great distraction from reality. They have no idea anymore what's
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: actually happening on the ground.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: The side thing for me is that apparently they can't
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: see that there is any common ground upon which we
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: can find agreement, right, because I've suggested that to a
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: number of them, including how We. I reached out to
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: him and said, look, I'd really like to have you
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: on because he comes at it from apparently a Christian perspective.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: So I said, I would love to have you on
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: to you've interviewed Miriam, right, you know, to talk with
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Miriam because she's Christian, but very much obviously pro resistant,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: point blank refused. Gave me reasons, but point blank refused.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Then you have someone like Ryan Christian, who's who's a
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: really decent person, someone I've known for a very long time,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: who's perfectly prepared to come on and have his views challenged,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: and as we are prepared to have our views challenged,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: because nobody has monopoly on truth. This is my point,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: you know, and I think it's a very dangerous, it's
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: a very slippery, dangerous slope when you start saying we
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: know who the central enemy is, and we don't agree
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: with your view of who the central enemy is. That's
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: the point.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: So you're not chatting about stuff that we really actually
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be chatting about. It's such a deflection from reality,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: and I think it's on purpose, because we should actually
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: be focusing on, as you just said, the real enemy.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know this is the problem. I mean,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: the response to me was literally, well, we don't agree
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: on her the enemy, And I deliberately said the enemy complex,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: because I'm not actually identifying one enemy. I'm actually saying
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: it's an entire complex. Whether you prioritize Israel, you prioritize China,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: you prioritize the oligarchs, you prioritize I don't know, pharmaceutical industry,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: the military industrial complex, it doesn't matter. They all feed
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: in to the same central enemy of humanity, right ultimately,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: And so surely there must be crossover between what my
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: focus is what their focus is, but apparently not. Apparently,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: if I'm not focused on what they're focused on.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Then I'm that I'm wrong. But that's also the point
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: that I've that I've made. Also, so it's it's endless
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: purity tests, and the endless purity tests lead to huge
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: amounts of division, and of course then then you end
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: up exactly where the enemy wants you, because that's the
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: art of war, right, The art of war is to
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: is to divide you, is to divide the opposition.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, that's the you know, and that is
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: endlessly my point. And you know, in all honesty, what
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: I also hate is when people go on the attack,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: you then respond to that attack and you suddenly become
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: the aggressor and they become the victim and you don't
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: get to like, you really don't get to play this game,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: right when I have Michael Ginsberg saying, oh, I didn't
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: mean to upset anyone, Well, yes you did, Yes you did,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: because you brought on two individuals that did not stop
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: slandering and pouring venom at UK column and individuals within
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: UK column, including myself who got dragged into it, right,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: and then you expect me not to not to respond,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Like how does that work? You can't play victim after
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: you've literally amplified an attack. And I would like to
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: say that that's a very Zionist tactic because what is this.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: You know, you you're the aggressor, but you're claiming self
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: defense and victimhood in order to justify the fact that
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: you've just gone on the attack. And the point is
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: is that it's a targeted attack. It is a targeted
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: attack because when you have someone like Urshula Edgington, for example,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: who again is cross posting everything, who came after me
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: on substack, I've never heard of her, who came after
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: me suddenly in all comments attacking UK column. Then I
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: hear from a number of journalists that I'm in touch
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: with very good journalists, she said to me. She tried
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: to do the same with them. That's a targeted attack
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: when you when you actually have an outrunner who's literally
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: from New Zealand. Ken, I don't understand why this is
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: of any interest to her, what UK column is doing.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: I don't like. What's the point? I disagree? Look, Jim,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: I disagree with you on certain elements, not disagree. I
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: disagree with Matt rat I disagree. We're never going to
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: agree on everything. But I don't re care. If you're
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: a genuine person, So what pick the phone up, you know,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: pick the phone up to someone and just say are
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: you really doing this? Like you know you Maybe you
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: won't get a great reaction, but at least try at
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: least make the effort to personally approach someone for the
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: facts before you put out speculation and slander as being truth,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: because that is that is what has happened. None of
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: them reached out her void did an entire program on
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: one and UK column without once reaching out. That's not
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but really, and I'm getting criticized for saying that,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: but that's not journalism. The reason I came to Syria
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: was was to better understand the investigation i'd done on
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: the White Helmets and to actually verify the conclusions that
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: I'd come to. Right, That's why I went there. And
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: if you're not prepared to do that, then in my opinion,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't really be putting out speculation unless you have
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: reached out to those people for comment and for clarification
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: of the sequence of events, because that has not happened.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: And no, the Ginnsburg thing was one of the It
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: was just shoddy. It was really shoddy. I mean the
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: fact that I had to sit through an hour of
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: just gossip. It's like I'm just sitting in the in
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: the coffee room, you know, and just listening to both
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: of them making ship up and.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: You know, I've lost all respect for all of them,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: and including Ian for the latest piece which mentioned you.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Also, look, I don't agree with Ian on a lot
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: of things. He does great research. I'm not going to
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: dismiss that entirely. Of all of them, he's the one
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, for example, when you interviewed him, I actually
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: found it an interesting conversation. I found a lot of
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: what he said interesting. At least it motivated me to
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: go and look into certain things myself, which is the
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: whole point of it, isn't it. You shouldn't take any
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: more any analysts point of view as gospel, but what
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: it should do is motivate you, give you the things
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: to go and look at yourself. That's how I see
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: all our roles as being not kind of arbiters of truth,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: but actual kind of collators of information and testimony and
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: swan and putting it out there and people can then
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: make up their own mind. So from that perspective, I
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: found your interview with him super interesting, and I guess
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: in a sense, I'm doubly disappointed at his support of
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: the Ginsburg interview. He promoted it, He's promoted all of
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: the hit pieces against UK column, and I just find
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: that sad. Really, I find it extremely sad Uk column
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: does a lot to help start up journalists, people who
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: have spent their life maybe researching, but have never been
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: given a platform like myself ten twelve years ago, and
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: who genuinely support you. And Okay, you might fall out
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: with them, but that's what I said to Debbie from
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: the beginning. What are you doing? Just move on? You
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: had a falling out, you had a difference of opinion.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: It's fine, move on, create your own thing. If what
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: you're doing is so powerful, so strong, just can keep
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: doing it. You know, It's happened multiple times to me,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: and in my career, I've you know, I've I've left
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: working with X Y Z and moved on to something
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: else because we just reach a point in our past
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: where they no longer converge and they diverge, and therefore
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: you move on. But I'm not going to go on
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: the attack just because I have made the decision to
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: go in a different direction. It's it's I don't know.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that we even have to talk
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: about this with everything that is happening in the world
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: today is sort of kind of beyond me. Yeah, it
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: is depressing, it's extremely disappointing, and I just hope that
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: people who are being swayed in one way or a
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: direc can just understand that it's fine if they have
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: different points of view, but they don't have the right
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: to pressure or to bully X y Z other media
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: outlet or journalists to comply with what their view of
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: the truth is.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: No, but also, but also, Vani's a very very importantly
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: China is amazing.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: We just have to put hashtag hashtag go China. Yeah, well,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: you know, look, ultimately, I don't have anything against China.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know enough about China. I've not been to China, right,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: and this is another thing you're criticized for having gone
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: to China. So what I've been to Iran, Iran as
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: part of the Satanic kabbala? Are they also going to
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: come after me for having been to Tehran and is
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: for her and then share ours and all these places
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: to actually find out for myself. That's insane. Yeah, no,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: it is. I agree, it's it's it's bonkers.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: But okay, so Vanessa, I can't really find a way
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: for us to be coming for landing, so let's just
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: coming for landing. So I'm always looking for the segue.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: But how can I follow your work? People can follow
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: my work at substuck predominantly, but you know, I'm on
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: ex YouTube, Telegram, all the normal ones, just as Vanessa Bailey,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: no fancy names.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: It must be it must be really nice. It must
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: be really nice not being censored on YouTube. I don't
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: have a channel because it was taken down. Oh no,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: I'm like I have been on.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, it could be indicative of you know, my work,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: but I've I've had the same number of subscribers for
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: probably five six years now. It hasn't moved. Same on X,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: the same on Telegram. It reaches a point and it
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: just doesn't go anywhere X. When I pay attention to it,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: I noticed they remove like a thousand followers and then
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: they give me back, you know, or I get twenty
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: new ones or something, and then it reduces back down again.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: This has been going on for for years, and all
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: my posts on X are completely shadow band. No one
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: sees them unless they go to my actual X page.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: And so no, no, no, I mean I am, and
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: I'm constantly having It's quite funny. Almost all my Syria
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: videos are gradually being removed and actually the only thing
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: that UK column is still not allowed to publish is
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: the Syria podcast? That's you know. UKC has got its
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: YouTube channel back, but when Mike tried to publish our
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: last two Syria podcasts, no eh, unless he calls it
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: something else. All right.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Well, on that note, Vanessa Belli, as always, thank you
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: for joining me in the trenches.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. Jim, thanks for having me on.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: It was fun.