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S5 E2: 2025 NFL Draft Preview · Nickel City Crew Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Fifteen decrease.
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  Speaker 2: You can see your breath.
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  Speaker 3: Out in the lake effect.
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  Speaker 1: Breaking tables like guitar would you Where's would you have
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  Speaker 1: to be?
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  Speaker 3: And to Ron Elvis in the lay, Panchow remembers that
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  Speaker 3: you need to know. I want you out here now,
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  Speaker 3: your family, Where's would you be?
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  Speaker 1: Where's would you have be? Welcome into the Nickel City Crew.
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  Speaker 1: I am your host, Rob Crippen. Please like us on
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  Speaker 1: City Crew. This episode, along with all of our episodes,
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  Speaker 1: stream Yard. We're so glad that you're joining us for
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  Speaker 1: some of your Buffalo Bills and NFL content Again today,
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  Speaker 1: and as always, these are my Bill's thoughts set out loud.
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  Speaker 2: It's about so ridiculous three six the show Where's.
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  Speaker 1: What you want to be? All right, let's get straight
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  Speaker 1: to it. Really excited for tonight's episode, episode two of
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  Speaker 1: season five. DT and I are back click clack we
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  Speaker 1: backed tg if.
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  Speaker 4: I'm really excited for tonight's episode just because it's funny,
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  Speaker 4: because the draft just like consumes people and I've watched it.
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  Speaker 4: DT has watched it, my co host. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 4: just like it is its own entity, it's its own organism,
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  Speaker 4: if you will. The draft coverage, the mock drafts, the predictions,
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  Speaker 4: the visits of all that other type of stuff, and
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  Speaker 4: then you've got the draft teardown of prospects and the
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  Speaker 4: character and Cam Newton smiles funny and he seems disingenuous,
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  Speaker 4: and Shador Samuels is a little bit too, you know, braggadocious,
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  Speaker 4: a little bit too cocky for our taste. All that
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  Speaker 4: type of stuff just comes to the plate. You're just like,
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  Speaker 4: what in the ham sandwich?
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  Speaker 1: Does it all mean?
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  Speaker 4: As my father would say, next week we'll get a
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  Speaker 4: chance to find out. Joining me tonight for the twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty five NFL Draft preview, my co host riding Shotgun
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  Speaker 4: that is always Adam dump truck repsick. How at the
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  Speaker 4: crew DT we gonna We're gonna dip our toe into
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  Speaker 4: the draft water.
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  Speaker 1: What's good man, Michael City?
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  Speaker 5: What's good? Rob? Are we doing?
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  Speaker 1: Baby?
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  Speaker 5: Happy Friday night to you, Good Friday, doing nice holiday weekend?
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  Speaker 5: Here weather's breaking a little in the in the rough buff.
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  Speaker 5: We had a warmer temperatures today after a legit snow
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  Speaker 5: on the cars earlier in the week, but sun's creeping out.
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  Speaker 5: It's looking like it's gonna be a good evening, maybe
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  Speaker 5: a nice little porch sitting in and getting ready to
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  Speaker 5: go for the UH for the holiday weekend ahead. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: draft season kind of marks the beginning of that second
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  Speaker 5: half of that offseason and and we're ready to rock.
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  Speaker 5: This is I'd like being a few years removed from
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  Speaker 5: where the draft doesn't matter as much to us as
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  Speaker 5: it used to before we had seventeen and the Boys,
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  Speaker 5: and we were watching that top ten every year and
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  Speaker 5: picking there every year and seeing who is going to
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  Speaker 5: be the next big thing for the organization. Now it's
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  Speaker 5: a little more just filling holes and building up the
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  Speaker 5: roster on the back end and not so much it
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  Speaker 5: doesn't matter. But I've definitely, as we've talked about, lost
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  Speaker 5: a lot of intention. I kind of just let it
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  Speaker 5: roll out. I asked some ideas, which we'll get into tonight,
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  Speaker 5: but it's more of a let the boys do the
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  Speaker 5: thing and then let's critique it afterwards.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're absolutely right about that. You know, it's funny
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  Speaker 4: because after seventeen got here. Absolutely right, it's just the you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, the handwringing and the worrying about who, oh my.
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  Speaker 4: Gosh, what are we going to do? And how are
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  Speaker 4: they going to pick a quarterback? And are we going
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  Speaker 4: to get it right? And all those different types of
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  Speaker 4: questions that you ask yourself. As Bill's Bafia, we really
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  Speaker 4: don't have to worry about that. So thank God for
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  Speaker 4: Josh Allen and one of Josh Allen's biggest supporters, my
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  Speaker 4: brother from Another Mother, the creative director over at Buffalo
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  Speaker 4: fan Base, the official Bils Mafia podcast network that DT
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  Speaker 4: and I simulcast on. Boy, if I could tell you
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  Speaker 4: how many good comments I got about season four finale
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  Speaker 4: and what was one of the main comments I got
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  Speaker 4: from my brother, you know other I mean, just mad
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  Speaker 4: people in general, just fans of the show just reaching
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  Speaker 4: out and.
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  Speaker 1: Like, yo, man, that was a great episode. That was
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  Speaker 1: a great episode. I like Justice, Oh, I like him,
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  Speaker 1: and I like how y'all all right y'all. I was like, listen, man,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't manufacture it is. It's just organic.
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  Speaker 4: That's how it goes, especially when the season ends like
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  Speaker 4: it did last year. Joining us tonight, our special guest
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  Speaker 4: creative director over at Buffalo fan Base, the incomparable Justice.
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  Speaker 1: General rad Or.
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  Speaker 4: Check them out on Instagram and Twitter at JA seventeen MVP,
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  Speaker 4: which is now prophetic.
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  Speaker 1: Holler at the crew, what's good? What's good? Justice Salute, Salute?
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  Speaker 6: I'm muted, of course, what's going on with fellas? Thank
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  Speaker 6: you for having me. I always appreciate coming on with
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  Speaker 6: you guys, And I'm not necessarily a Josh Allen supporter
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  Speaker 6: as much as I am a Josh Allen truther. Okay,
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  Speaker 6: I just I just tell you how I see it, man.
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  Speaker 6: But good.
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  Speaker 1: Here.
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  Speaker 6: Another thing is, uh, you you got a reoccurring guest
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  Speaker 6: every time we play New England for the next three
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  Speaker 6: years because I'm really here to tell you why Stephan
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  Speaker 6: Days is a bum.
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  Speaker 4: Let's wait for the schedule release next month. We I
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  Speaker 4: literally was thinking about that the other day, about how
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  Speaker 4: you and I differ so much on that opinion, and
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  Speaker 4: I love it and I love it. I can't wait
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  Speaker 4: for schedule release next month and and everything that follows now.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get this next month DT. We talked about
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  Speaker 1: it to start the show.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting because the NFL dractor is really
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  Speaker 4: really popular, and I understand its popularity. We've all just
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  Speaker 4: spoken to reasons why we may not be necessarily as
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  Speaker 4: into it as we used to be because of the
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  Speaker 4: presidence of seventeen. But DT, there's no denying that the
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  Speaker 4: NFL Draft is a big ticket.
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  Speaker 1: It's a big item.
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  Speaker 4: People love to see the combine, They love to see,
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  Speaker 4: you know, these guys come together and really team building.
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  Speaker 4: That's really what it is. It's team building on a
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  Speaker 4: public stage. And I know that the Buffalo Bills, with
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  Speaker 4: their new stadium coming out next year, they've already talked
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  Speaker 4: about how they want to put in their bid for
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  Speaker 4: the twenty seven or twenty eight or twenty nine draft,
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  Speaker 4: different things like that. It's in Green Bay this year,
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  Speaker 4: Bill's Mafia nicol City Crew, and they's talking about how
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  Speaker 4: nan if Green Bay, a small town can do it
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  Speaker 4: and can throw it, then we can throw it here
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  Speaker 4: in Buffalo. So the NFL Draft really does attract people, DT,
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  Speaker 4: It's not something that we're just making up. The draft
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  Speaker 4: is its own literal NFL portion of business. It's its
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  Speaker 4: own division.
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  Speaker 5: Well, once they started changing it away from Radio City
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  Speaker 5: and putting in other cities. You know what was it
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  Speaker 5: The first year it was in Nashville, will Right and
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  Speaker 5: Blew up that whole street, that whole Broadway.
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  Speaker 1: There was a half million, half a million people that.
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  Speaker 5: We yeah, and so it is a big million people
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  Speaker 5: that weekend and we you know, we talk about like
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  Speaker 5: I watched the draft. I'm into it. I want to
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  Speaker 5: see you know, I like the drama in the beginning,
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  Speaker 5: even though the Bills aren't included. Like, I watch it
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  Speaker 5: and I know the top guys and this year especially
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  Speaker 5: a little more you know, intrigue with the with the
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  Speaker 5: Dione Sanders disciples out of Colorado and they're they're kind
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  Speaker 5: of busting up the top of the draft, and teams
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  Speaker 5: that stink in our division are picking in the top ten,
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  Speaker 5: uh in all those spots. So it's something to watch
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  Speaker 5: kind of who's going to be in the division as well.
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  Speaker 5: So I do like the draft, but like we said that,
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  Speaker 5: as for the Bills side, we're just kind of step
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  Speaker 5: back and let it happen. But a lot of people
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  Speaker 5: go all out and it's a it's a pride thing now.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the national thing.
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  Speaker 5: Detroit last year was a big deal. It's in green Bay,
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  Speaker 5: you know, obviously a cultured football city in Green Bay,
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  Speaker 5: and I think it's gonna be a big turnout, and
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  Speaker 5: it's starting to become a commodity to go to this
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  Speaker 5: and to the point where I want it in Buffalo, right,
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  Speaker 5: you want to have that have that status to host
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  Speaker 5: the draft and people love it. It's the future. I
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  Speaker 5: think the biggest thing it signifies hope, right, Rob, Like
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  Speaker 5: it's a seam that stinks. You get an early pick
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  Speaker 5: and you're bringing that person in that's gonna change your
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  Speaker 5: franchise in case in point. Obviously we saw that seven
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  Speaker 5: years ago with seventeen and team see that literally every
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  Speaker 5: year with playmakers that come in and it's not always
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  Speaker 5: in the top ten, sometimes it's in the fifth or
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  Speaker 5: sixth round, but that hope you're selling people is what
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  Speaker 5: is what I think is the biggest draw to it.
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  Speaker 5: So it's exciting. I love when the ticker comes and
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  Speaker 5: goodell comes across and people boom, and it's just tradition,
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  Speaker 5: you know, unlike any others. We just got out of
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  Speaker 5: the Masters. But the I think the biggest thing why
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  Speaker 5: it's such a big deal is the hope factor, and
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  Speaker 5: is social media and all these things get bigger and
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  Speaker 5: bigger each year. Everybody's a little more in tune and
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  Speaker 5: these players are now Mark getting themselves a lot sooner
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  Speaker 5: than just their senior year coming out and being in
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  Speaker 5: the combine. They've got the nil money, they they're they're
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  Speaker 5: professional stars before they get to this level, and people
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  Speaker 5: starting to see them as professional stars before they get
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  Speaker 5: to this level. So it's just another form of entertainment.
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  Speaker 5: You're raising the bar up a little bit. But I
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  Speaker 5: think the biggest draw to it is signified hope and
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  Speaker 5: for all those peasant teams in the league that we
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  Speaker 5: don't have to worry about at least for the next
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  Speaker 5: couple of years. Hope is hope is what they're they're
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  Speaker 5: thriving at.
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  Speaker 4: Was Ron you hope Springs are to be funny? It
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  Speaker 4: seems like, yeah, no, no, you're You're good. Every year
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  Speaker 4: year it seems like I'll see on Twitter, I'll see
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  Speaker 4: like the re play of Josh being chosen and as
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  Speaker 4: fun as I remember watching that draft and like, I
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  Speaker 4: want Josh broke and I was like, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean, said They'll said Josh.
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  Speaker 1: I was like Alan and then he said, rosing it up.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: He said, I mean, I'm like, I'm hoping that it
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  Speaker 4: says Rosen and he says Alan and I'm like, oh, man,
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  Speaker 4: a bum, And there's this video of these guys at
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  Speaker 4: the bar and there they're holding and throwing down hats
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  Speaker 4: and shit like that.
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  Speaker 1: And it's funny because I'll push back on you, Justice.
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  Speaker 4: You are a Josh Allen supporter, and I know you're
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  Speaker 4: a truther at heart, but you are a.
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  Speaker 1: Josh Allen supporter.
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  Speaker 4: And he won us and Brandon Bean had to move
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  Speaker 4: up twice to go get him. So kind of what
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  Speaker 4: DC spoke about Justice is that it does bring hope.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't know what Josh Allen was going to be.
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  Speaker 4: Some of us were mad that we got him, and
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  Speaker 4: it turns out that he's the MVP of the league
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  Speaker 4: last year, reigning MVP. Coming into twenty twenty five, Justice,
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  Speaker 4: this is hope season for sure. DT's right about that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's certainly hoole season. And I mean, yeah, I
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  Speaker 6: support Josh Allen of course because he's my quarterback. But
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  Speaker 6: I also tell the truth. You know, whenever he isn't
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  Speaker 6: performing up to what I believe to be his stable,
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  Speaker 6: I'll let it be known. He just doesn't do it
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  Speaker 6: very often. So I only got good stuff to talk
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  Speaker 6: about for the most part. But that's neither here nor there.
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  Speaker 6: I look, man, when when you know we drafted Josh Allen?
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  Speaker 6: Was the movies, right, I was going to see Avengers
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  Speaker 6: Infinity War was the end game. It was one of
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  Speaker 6: these same day, and I remember it was the first one.
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  Speaker 6: It was Infinity War. I'm sitting in my seat. I'm
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  Speaker 6: so excited. I'm about to see the biggest movie of
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  Speaker 6: the millennium. I look into my phone. With the seventh pick,
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  Speaker 6: the Bills trade up and get Josh Allen. Oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: I was pissed.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, I look, I think back on that
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  Speaker 6: day and I was just like I was wrong, and
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  Speaker 6: thank goodness I was, because I wouldn't have wanted any
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  Speaker 6: other quarterback like this was the guy. This was the guy.
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  Speaker 6: We got lucky and got maybe the most talented quarterback
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  Speaker 6: in the history of football. So you know, you know
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  Speaker 6: drafted is is that exactly what DT said? He hit
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  Speaker 6: the nail on the head. It's about hope. It brings
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  Speaker 6: you hope because these last couple of years of really
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  Speaker 6: I mean not that I don't care about the draft,
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  Speaker 6: but I certainly don't care as much as I did
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  Speaker 6: when we were a bad team. You know, this was
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  Speaker 6: the only time we really got any burned in the media.
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  Speaker 6: But then it sucked because we were always picking like ten.
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  Speaker 6: You know, we were never the right like we always
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  Speaker 6: had like a mediocre pick yep. And you know now
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  Speaker 6: it's just like, you know, you're so down, you're so
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  Speaker 6: far down the line that it's easy to mock and say, oh,
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  Speaker 6: this guy should be available around this time a little see,
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  Speaker 6: but it never happens, right, it never happened. Some third
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  Speaker 6: round pick always gets drafted twelve and then people are like,
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  Speaker 6: why he got reached and and then you know some
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  Speaker 6: you know ninth overall pick slides to like twenty five
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  Speaker 6: or something like. It always happens. So you know, yeah, right,
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  Speaker 6: we need to get Travis Hunter in the gas mask. No,
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  Speaker 6: but it is definitely a season for Hope.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, before we get started, I wanted what was
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  Speaker 4: your story since we started this way, you know, Justine
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  Speaker 4: started organically, what I mean, what was your Josh Allen experience?
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  Speaker 1: Because again, that meme must.
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  Speaker 4: Go around, that little video clip goes around on Twitter
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  Speaker 4: and Instagram and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: Every single draft season.
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  Speaker 4: It's like it's like five guys around the bar and
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  Speaker 4: one guy's holding it, one guy by his neck, and
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  Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, he says, Alan, and they're
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  Speaker 4: just I mean, they are distraught, they are despondent. And
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  Speaker 4: I was the same way. I can't I cannot lie.
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  Speaker 4: I'll keep it a hunted like I was. I was
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  Speaker 4: hoping for Frozen, just because I thought that was the
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  Speaker 4: best of what was for Rainey.
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  Speaker 1: They talked about you know, Baker, they talked about Donald.
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  Speaker 4: And after that, I was like, well, I guess Rosen,
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  Speaker 4: the guy from your CLA he's you know, he looks
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  Speaker 4: like a pro.
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  Speaker 1: He looks like what was your experience where like.
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  Speaker 4: Domsary date, like where were you when? And Josh Allen
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  Speaker 4: when the Bills drafted him, is something that builds my
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  Speaker 4: pie can recall.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I definitely recall it. I will say
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  Speaker 5: my reaction wasn't negative. I mean I wasn't like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: he's gonna be the best player I've ever seen in
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  Speaker 5: a Bill's uniform. I didn't say anything like that, But
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  Speaker 5: it was more coming a year removed of kind of
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  Speaker 5: the premise of if we got seven draft picks, let's
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  Speaker 5: pick seven quarterbacks, you know, like, let's let's just keep
• 14:19
  Speaker 5: drafting quarterbacks until we find our our franchise guy. And
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  Speaker 5: so we were weren't too far away from, you know,
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  Speaker 5: getting to that specific situation. So I wasn't like, really,
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  Speaker 5: whatever happened, as long as we got a quarterback, we'll
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  Speaker 5: see if he's the guy.
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  Speaker 1: Ej.
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  Speaker 5: Manuel was the last one and he wasn't, So let's
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  Speaker 5: just keep drafting quarterbacks until we find it. I was
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  Speaker 5: a Baker Mayfield guy going into the offseason. I just
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  Speaker 5: loved him being a basically a dickhead at Oklahoma and
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  Speaker 5: and balling out and and I thought, you know, he'd
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  Speaker 5: be that kind of vibe, would fit into the blue collar,
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  Speaker 5: like roughneck buffalo, like the underdog that like, now we're
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  Speaker 5: got a quarterback, so screw you. So I I was
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  Speaker 5: a Baker Mayfield guy. Obviously he went number one overall.
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  Speaker 5: That took took everything out of the picture, and I
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  Speaker 5: just kind of let it, let it shake out. I
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  Speaker 5: never was on Josh Rosen. I'll say that I always
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  Speaker 5: thought he was he was a narc He was a
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  Speaker 5: he was a nerdy, like not the vibe you know
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  Speaker 5: we were looking for Darnold was in there. I didn't
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  Speaker 5: mind Lamar either, you know, in that in that fact
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  Speaker 5: to kind of switch it all up, get somebody, and
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  Speaker 5: I think that would have worked out great too, But but.
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  Speaker 4: It just came up a ty rod I heard this
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  Speaker 4: morning on w G and I was like, that doesn't
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  Speaker 4: make sense, Like they probably weren't another.
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  Speaker 5: So, you know, I wasn't like upset when we got
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  Speaker 5: Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't he was.
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  Speaker 5: Didn't know much about him and coming off kind of
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  Speaker 5: a time where I was like, let's take a quarterback
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  Speaker 5: every single pick in the draft until we find our guy,
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  Speaker 5: and and Josh Allen it was. So wasn't disappointed, but
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  Speaker 5: definitely wasn't knowing he was gonna be the seventeen we
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  Speaker 5: all know and love. Yeah, I was at I think
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  Speaker 5: I was. It was before I started an enterprise, or
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  Speaker 5: maybe I don't know, it was early on in my career. No,
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  Speaker 5: it was I would have been working an enterprise. But
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  Speaker 5: the fact of I was just hanging out with my
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  Speaker 5: boy Bobby and we were up watching watching the draft
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  Speaker 5: and Josh Allen. I said, well, here we go, so
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: and I'm glad fun but I was a Baker Mayfield guy.
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: I got a I got a whole monologue after the
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: Bills playoff loss to the Jaguars, and uh, who knows
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: where I was in my own head in this monologue.
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: It was a long day, but I was calling for
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield. I thought I thought six was coming to
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: the Bills and he went one overall and there I
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: was just kind of like, well, fuck it.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Whatever happened to YouTube Justice YouTube? Yeah?
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: I mean in the draft process, they weren't he wasn't
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: the number one pick.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: It was like he wasn't.
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: They were going back and forth, and I was like, oh,
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: I want Baker Mayfield. Like he's a winner, great attitude,
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: he had the right charisma, blah blah blah. Right right, Yeah,
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: I wanted him too, And then once I realized he
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: was going to be the number one over I pick
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: I want.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: I totally agree with your DT that he seemed like
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: a little preppy, rich kid and that was one of
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: the knocks on him and stuff like that. But I
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: was like, well, they say he's the most NFL ready,
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: so that's that's kind of why I last to that.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: So Josh uh Roger Goodell had me with Josh, and
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: then when he finished up with Allen instead of Rosen,
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: I can't. I can't lie.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: I was. I was disappointed that night, and I'm glad
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: to be wrong.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: Rosen Rosen was the high school quarterback I believe for
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: in Vegas for excuse me, Snoop Dogg's kid, Snoop Doggs.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, wide receiver.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: I remember watching that little like documentary on it and
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: Rosen was the quarterback there, and I was like, this
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: kid's kind of this.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Kind of a he was no Buffalo.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: No, he was, and then in college like same deal,
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: So I was not really I never really liked him.
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: He did, he didn't pass my bot check.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I like it. I like it a lot.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: Now as we transition and talk about the twenty twenty
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: five draft against shout out to Buffalo fan base. Shout
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: out to Nickel City Crew. Over three hundred people already
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: tuning in. So again, the draft just attracts people. We
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: really appreciate you guys. Tonight, listen the Buffalo Bills. Let's
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: let's try to get a baseline as we go through
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: this episode real quick of what we think they need.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: What do you think the Bills need?
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: I know when we ended season four of Nicol City Crew,
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: I think it was unanimous even with our guests Mama Monday.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: The Bills need more blue Chippers now. It's hard to
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: get blue chippers fellas at pick thirty. When you're you know,
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: you're going and deep in runs into playoffs and things
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: like that, it's hard to get those top end talents.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: So that leaves Brandon Bean with, you know, a couple options.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: You either have to trade up, which is sometimes harder
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: depending on your draft capital, and then if you're not
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: going to trade up and you're gonna stand pat, then
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: you really got to hit it. And one of the
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: things that I think that is so funny about Josh
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Allen is that we didn't know.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: And I think that that should always be the theme
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: in the.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Back of your mind and Bill's Mafia, the back of
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: your mind, Nicol City Crew, is that it really is
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: a crapshoot.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: The draft. We don't have a damn clue.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: You can do as many mocks as mel Kiper and
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Todd McShay and and I know Christah Prassel has been
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: on WGR all week and he's given his mox and
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: different things like that. It's all fun and I get it,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: but you just don't know. You go off the tape
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: number one, what these college kids have done on Saturdays
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: and then after that, you you know, you bring up
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: their measurables from Indianapolis after that, I don't I.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Don't know, really, I don't even know.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Like a scout, I understand the scouts role justice, I
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: just don't know how, like how are they supposed to
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: do their job effectively?
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: You look, he seems like he's good, but then you
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: can get somebody and it's you know, it's just it's.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Just JaMarcus Russell. You have no fucking clue.
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah no, But to your point, like you think about it,
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: I forget what was drafted as was I have to
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: feel like it was like the twenty twenty two, twenty one,
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: twenty two drafts something around here. Who you draft a
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: cornerback in the first round, right, and you get a
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: superstar quarterback essentially, right, Only it's not the first round pick.
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: It's the sixth round pick.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. Talking about Brady, it's.
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: A crapshoot, you know, like Brandon mean, his his scout
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: team is phenomenal in the middle to late rounds. They're
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: not so hot in the first round, you know, the
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: second round. I'll give them that they're decent. The second
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: round Osiris, Torrence James Cook right there, like they've got
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: some they've got some good side round. But the first
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: round pick said.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Nothing other than Josh.
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: So to your point, Rob, would you say when you
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: first started, you said the Bills need more blue chippers?
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: And what it's hard to get blue chippers? So my
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: philosophy is, all right, if we're gonna keep picking at thirty,
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: which is essentially a second round pick, right, your goal
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: is to host Your goal is to play in Super Bowl.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: So you want to be the thirty two pick, right,
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: Send some pigs away, trade away some big Go get
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: a top fifteen pick, Go get a blue chipper. You
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: you like, how how upset would you be if we
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: got you know, a blue chipper instead of drafting Gregor Russo,
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: or instead of drafting Dalton kink or you know what
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: I mean?
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Like at a different position.
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Like like a like a
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: bona fide superstar, somebody.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Who's going I don't care what position than kicker. I
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: want to.
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: Exactly when when when you trade for a player, the
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: price seems so steep until he turns into Sakwan Barkley, right,
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: the price seems so steep until he turns in to
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: Terrell Owens or whatever the case may be. Like, if
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: it works, it works. What was I think it was?
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: Eric Dickerson. They gave away everything for Eric Dickerson, yeagularly
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: finish trade. Ever and what Eric Dickerson still somehow gave
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: you a more than positive for Roy So like, if
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: it's a bone, if it's a supert our player, is
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: gonna help you win championships, help you win games. You
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: know someone who you're going to beg to, you know,
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: give the max contract to you gotta beg them, like,
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: please let me give you a max contract. Go get him, man,
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: go get him?
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: Other than you know Josh Allen, Like you said, Rob,
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: there's nothing to show for you know in that first
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: round it's it's Josh Allen. That's it.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: Edmonds is gone. Excuse me, Kyrie Elam is gone. Jury
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: still out on Dalton. They paid Russo but I mean,
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: but yeah, but again late late whatever I mean Stefan Diggs.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: The trade for Stephan Diggs was the best first round
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: and Josh Allen's a generational once in a lifetime pick.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: So if you even is not that, I mean, he's
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: a little bit better than Rousseau to me, I like
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: to do.
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: I think that the line really really screws him over
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: a little, but I think that he has good talent though.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: Okay, but but yeah, there's there's really nothing other than
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: making that trade for Steph Diggs, and that was obviously
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: what's good until it wasn't so making a big splash.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: The Rams did it a few years ago and won
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: a super Bowl. Like it is, like, even if you
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: get a blue chip guy, it's gonna take him a
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: couple of years to get blue chip. If even if
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: he has a first good season, he's gonna unless you
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: have a first good season, he's probably gonna have a
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: little sophomore slump second season, then build into a career
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: like this is a three year project to get an
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: All Pro.
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: No, you know what, I would agree with you if
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: you were talking about like a thirtieth pick. But if
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: you trade up and go get a guy who's Micah
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: Parsons or who's Jamar Chase or who's Justin Jefferson, those
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: guys will help you right away and become superstars right away.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: Justin Jefferson went at twenty four.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah that was fault though.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: No, but like there's just you know, there's the guys
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: up there. But then last year in the top ten,
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: who you know who was in that top ten. That's
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: like scary.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, look at it.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: I would have to go back and look to I mean,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: I understand, I understand both of your points for sure,
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: because I know that there's been a big time.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, and he was good. That was
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: You're right about I'm sorry, it's just number two.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jaden Neighbors number six, he worked out. He looks
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: like it's the Nicks.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: I think the overall point is that the best players
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: are going to be at the top of the draft
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: because that's where it's easy. And that's what was my
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: original point was, like what of the if I was
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: a bill scout, I'm going on Saturdays to to Clemson,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: I'm going down there, and you know what I mean,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: like I listen, it's the tape. And then if you
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: want to however much you know stock, you want to
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: put in the Indianapolis in the scouting combine, But after that,
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: it's really throwing darts at a board, not that it
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter or that you have no clue who is
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: supposed to be good, but I think that the draft itself,
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: from one to thirty two, and then from thirty three
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: to sixty four, all the way down through all seven rounds,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: they don't really have a damn clue and everybody's just
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: kind of doing their best to guess on it. And
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: I think that the best guys are at the top,
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: and it's just so hard to get game changing guys.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: So having said that, and let's assuming that the Bills
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: don't get a game changing year one guy like DT's
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: talking about.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: They keep talking about the Bill's needs.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: I think that there's a consensus of what everybody seems
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: to think that we need. I guess we need a
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: cornerback to somebody opposite of Christian Benford. They talk about,
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: we need a defensive tackle, somebody like Justice was just
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: talking about to make Ed Oliver's life easier, maybe unlock
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: even more of his potential so he's not taking on
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: double teams and different things like that because he's a
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: penetrating defensive tackle. So somebody that's going to play right
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: over that center at that one tech and then they
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: also talk about an edge. Now I'm I'll drop a
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: bomb on y'all. I want to get y'all y'all's opinion first, DT,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: what do you think that we need? Yeah, those like
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: the consensus. I mean what the consensus says is that
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: are you in lockstep with that? They say cornerback too,
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: they say defensive tackle, and they say defensive edge, and
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: that's like every single mock that you see out is
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: that those are the picks that they need to go after.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: I think I want to throw one in there. I
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: don't necessarily going to put this as number one, but
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: I think safety is crucial unless until I see what
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: Cold Bishop can do. I think safety is crucial. That's
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: something that you can get away with cornerbacks being mediocre
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: if your safeties are good and this, like, I don't
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: believe other than if Cold Bishop can come play. I
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: don't want another year with Demarrow Hamlin start and just
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: because he knows the defense and that's a liability back there.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: I think safety might go ahead of corner for me.
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: Defensive line. Where that kind of comes into play for
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: me is there's only three technically on the roster. You know,
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: Obunjobi is out for six games, So that tells me
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: they really like Dwayne Carter. You know, didn't you came
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: in Rookie was vibing last year. I think they're really
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: gonna put a lot on him this year, knowing Dakwan
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: Jones is kind of on his way out and Dwayne
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: Carter to come in and play that opposite of at Oliver.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: So if they weren't making other moves and free agency
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: other than Ovid Jobe, which is gonna be out for
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: the first six games, I think they really are like,
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: we'll just get somebody in the draft. We'll we'll put
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: him in and these are gonna be our top three
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: guys and we'll roll with that. So I don't know
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: if that's a more glaring need than the defensive backfield,
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: whether it's safety, whether it's corner. You know, yeah, Rasul
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: Douglas lost a step, but he was a starter for
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: you last year. You know, Christian Benford was never in
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: the spotlight and now now he's going to be, So
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: the corner room is scarce. I think there there's a
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: lot gonna be done with that. We saw it this
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: week with Bradbury coming in for a visit and resigning
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: Tray White. They want to fill in that, you know,
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: in that defensive bad but I want to put safety
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: a little higher, uh than people are talking about. I
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: know that there's not as many in the draft and
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: a little hard to order to evaluate, but I think
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: that's a little more important to me on the defensive
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: end than D line or corner. And I'm never gonna
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: straight away from the wide receiver thing, you know, back
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: and forth of nobody's proven other than khalishak here, and
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: he's not your Jamar Chase or Justin Jefferson, so we
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: need I will. I will never be upset taking a
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: receiver early, second, third, fourth, fifth, take a receiver anytime.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: I'll never be upset with it.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Justice I DT's trying to steal my thunder because I
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: have a bomb to drop food, y'all. And I guess
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: I have to drop the nuclear right now. And I
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: kind of did it on Twitter the other day. I
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: clear dropt not care any more about defense. And I've
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: already DT already knows Nickel City Crew already knows that
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: I'm ig lean offense. But it's now, it's now, it's
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: getting on my nerves to the point where everyone is
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: talking about a corner or defensive tackle or a defensive edge.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: And why do I care about Sean mcdermot's defense when
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: the chips are on the table in the postseason and
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: his defense is historically bad, not bad, Justice, historically bad.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: We talked about it at the end of last season,
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: how they're they're DVOA and different types, like their metrics
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: are historically bad against fifteen, historically bad. Why do I
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: care about stocking up his cover when all he's gonna
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: do is shif the bed when it comes time for
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: him to really stand up with his defense. Let's go
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: score forty Justice, Let's go score forty. Bills Mafia, nicholsony crew,
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: Let's go score forty. Let's try that every game and
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: we'll see what happens. And of course we're not going
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: to score forty a game, because that would be some
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: type of record. Let's go try to score forty. I
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: don't care about supplying McDermott with tools, not that he's
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: not a good defensive coach, not that he has no
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: idea what he's doing. I'm not trying to disrespect the man.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: I understand that he's not going anywhere. He doesn't show
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: up in the playoffs, man, when it counts the most.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: So because of that, I really don't give a shit anymore.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: And I'm I'm I'm standing there as the kids say
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: ten toes down. I'm I'm right, I'm standing right there.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: I don't care anymore. I don't care.
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: Uh, you know what, that's fair. I would argue that
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: McDermott has never really had a ton of blue chip
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: players to work with to begin with, you know what
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: I mean. Like McDermott kind of makes the most out
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: of scraps.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, are you talking about just those last
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: games when you and I got into an argument and
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: stuff like that.
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: Historically, like since since he's been the Bill say coach,
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: like he's turned good players into great players. He's turned
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: mediocre players into good players. I don't think he's ever
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: had a stack defense, you know what I mean. He's
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: kind of made the most of the defense he's been
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: given him in that top.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Five defenses though before the last year, Justice, that's.
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: Point, it wasn't top five roster defenses.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: But the but the roster, the roster this year, we
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: have a lot more holes than we did three years ago.
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: On the defense, and the defense was fine, and we
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: go in the playoffs and same thing. So I get
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: what you're saying, Rob, And then this defense has way
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: more holes on it. So even if we get a
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: blue chipper in the first round, that doesn't make it
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: better than the defense three or four years ago. And
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: I think that's your point, Rob, Like doesn't even if
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: we go and get a stud on defense, that doesn't
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: mean our defense is gonna be studded out now, Like
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: our defense always lays the egg. And it was a
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: lot better roster than it's gonna be this year three
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: years ago than it's gonna be this year. No matter
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: who we pick up, no matter who we draft, the
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: roster three years ago on defense is gonna be a
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: lot better than what we have this year. So the
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: back and forth of like who cares about defense? Because
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: a couple of years back, when the Eagles had one
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: of the best defenses since the eighty five Bears and
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: they didn't touch Mahomes in the Super bowls got forty
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: on about him. Well, fast forward to this year. What
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: was the difference. The difference was the pressure and messing
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: with Mahomes, Right, So it's game plan, it's you can't
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: hang your hand on either one. But I'm not on
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: the camp of mcdermot's never had a good defense and
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: he plays with scratch because three years ago they had
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: all pros all over the field on defense and they
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: they had the same shit happened. Then last year they
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: had a lot more holes than the same shit happened.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: So now this year coming in, even if they get
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: a few studs, they're still gonna have there's still gonna
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: be a worst roster defense, and they were three years
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: ago when it didn't matter. So that's I think your point, Robin,
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: and I would back that.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: Go ahead, Justice, go ahead, you got the floor because
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: I was just gonna ask you as DT was finishing up,
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: what's the best defense in your mind that mcdermot's has
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: had since he's been here. I would say it was thirty, uh,
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: thirteen seconds here. I would say that it was when
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: it was hiding Poyer at their height. They're all pros,
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: Tredavious doing his thing, all pro He's back.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: We love that.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, obviously he's older now, but like back, like,
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: what's the best in your mind in your opinion? I'm
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: not trying to shoot you down I'm just it almost
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: seems like you're giving McDermott a lot of credit and
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: saying that he's been coaching not bums, but he's been
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: coaching average talent he had.
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: So there's there's two separate discussions they need to have
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: Bud McDermott. There's a discussion about McDermott the defensive coach,
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: just in general. Discussion about Sean McDermott the defensive coach
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: in the playoffs and crunch games in the playoffs specifically. Right, Okay,
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: those are two different coaches as far as I understand,
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: So I agree defensive coach Sear McDermott. He took a
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: Jordan Poyer who was with Cleveland, who no one cared about,
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: special rotation Hide, who was a he was a good
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: to decent player in Green Bay but nobody really cared about.
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: He brought them together and turned them into one of
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: the best safety duels in the history of this league.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Right, I agree?
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Yes, Karn Johnson, who weaber State, never had heard of it.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: I knew Dame Little.
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: You find a position for him to make him thrive
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: and become one of the best players in the league.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: Tremaine Edmonds ain't really special. We we come to I
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: think it's fair to say that he's not really special.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: Got the troit, right, That's how I got drafted. Got
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: He's got the measurables, but.
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: He ain't really none that special, right, and you turn
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: him into a potential All Pro player, like he could
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: have been All Pro when he was here if if
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: you know, the votes went his way or whatever the case. Right,
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: never really had any semblance of a decent defensive line
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: before von Miller and then he was immediately injured.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Right, I agree on that the de.
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah torres a c L like like Tdavius White, von Miller.
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: I'll even throw Ed Oliver in. There have been the
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: only defensive players that Sean McDermott has had that you
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: expected to succeed.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: You mean from the beginning from the jump McDonald that, yeah, right,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: I agree. I agree.
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: That's kind of my point, right with you. She gets
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: the most out of people right now in the playoffs.
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: I'm with you as a separate story, okay, But I
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: just I just want to be objective, right, I just
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: want to Sean mc dermott. You know, I have my
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: greg with Sean mc dermott, but he is a hell
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: of a defensive coach. And when you had so there's
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: there's a there's a it's a shaw. McDermot is a
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: double a short, right, because with Sean McDermott as your
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: defensive coordinator, you're you have the best quarterback in the league.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: So you're going to constantly lose offensive coordinators. So then
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: you have to have your quarterback readjust in the offense readjust,
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: and that's gonna have to keep happening over and over again,
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: and that's gonna be something that we have to deal
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: with as long as we have in Sean mc dermott. However,
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: on the flip side, as long as we have Sean McDermott,
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: we will never be the Bengals will never have a prolific,
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: historic offense. That is all for not because the defense
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: is god awful. I don't care who's on the field.
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: The Buffalo Bill's defense will never be god awful because
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: of Sean McDermott.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: So I gotta give it, I gotta get now.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: I have to give you that that you you almost
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: I was getting ready to refute you, and then you
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: can set the Bengals at.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: The end and that you're right.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: No, you're right because their offense had no business being
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: out of the playoffs.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: And I'll give you, I'll give you that, I will
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: give you that.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: I don't think that he'll ever feel the defense that
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: poor where they're losing all those different type of shootout
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: games and it was just the way.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was historic how bad they were for sure.
• 36:46
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• 37:21
  Speaker 4: As we begin to wrap up tonight, and we'll get
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: to it. So I'm team Offense. I don't think that
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: the Bills are going to pull the trigger on a
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: wide receiver. Even though I want to surround Josh Allen
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: with as many weapons as possible, I just want him
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: to just be I mean just just the cupboard is
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: just full. The pantry is just busting at the scenes
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: because he has so many weapons. I don't think they're
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: going to do that. I do think they're going to
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: cater to Sean McDermott, anybody that's caught your eye, any
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: any position, even if it's not a specific specific player
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: that you want to see the Bills come out of
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: that first round with next week DT because for me,
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: corner is cool. I ever got excited about a defensive
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: tackle in my life, unless it was War Sap like
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: or now Aaron Donald is the new age like I
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: never got that won't move the meter for me.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I know that this guy Kenneth Grant, I'm a Michigan man.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: You know, Kenneth Grant moves a lot of needles like
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: I just I'm not a run defense like I don't
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: really give a shit, like you know what I mean,
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Like stop the pass? What got us beat against Kansas City?
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: We couldn't stop the pass? What almost got us beat
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: against Baltimore. They shredded us in the past game. Dereck
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: Henry didn't do shit. It wasn't like that first matchup.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: He didn't beat us. It was the pass defense that
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: got shredded. So for me, corner seems like a good
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: idea if you could find somebody that's got those traits
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: quote unquote, A defensive tackle is not going to move me.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: And I could have swore a defensive end.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: I know we need to get younger, but didn't we
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: just go like sign like two of them, like Hoy
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: and then Bosa, Like I don't see a first round
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: defensive end, But maybe maybe what do you see?
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: DT? Who would what position or player would you like
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: to come out of round one with?
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean trade trade everything and go get Travis
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: Hunter and that Jack that sex wide receiver in corner
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: and you're that's two picks for the price of one,
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: and you know, you move on with your with your life.
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: But realistically, no, I think what moves the meter is
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: a wide receiver in round one, you know, And I
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: don't even think we need a trade up to get it.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: Just at thirty taking a taking a wide receiver, it's
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: gonna be a stud. There's not a ton of receivers
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: kind of early touted in this draft as opposed to
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: previous the previous three or four years, there's been like
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: eight in the first round that you're like, oh, I
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: want I want all these guys. I want all these guys,
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: and you know, and they go on a run. In
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: this case, I don't think that's gonna be the case.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: So a receiver at that thirty slot, I would be
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: moving the needle. For What I want to see, though,
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: is some pick movement. Ten picks. Last year, Brandon made
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: ten picks. They had ten picks and he made them all.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: And excuse me, there's a few obviously that play. There's
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: a few that we might see some potential for, and
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: then there's some guys we're never gonna see again. And
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: that's every So it's not just because ten picks that
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: was the case, but ten picks. I don't foresee us
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: making ten picks this year. I want to move up
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: into there's no third rounders, right, correct, So I want
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: to get rid of these fifths and these sixth get
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: into that third, and then you can go one third
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: or one first, two seconds, a third and two fourths.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: So that would be you know that six picks in
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: the first four rounds, that's your whole draft. That's a
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: lot of teams. Whole draft is six picks, and you
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: can get all six picks in the first four rounds.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: So I think what moves the needle for me is
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: a receiver. I'm not pissed if we don't do that.
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: You know, I'll take a I'll take a need I'll
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: take a d lineman, corner, safety or receiver at thirty.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: But I think a receiver would move the line. Luther
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: Burden from Missouri, dude that you know is an athletic
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: freak or you know, I'd like the constant battle of
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: speeder size, speeder size, speeder size, I don't know, like
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: if it's if it's size, I want the biggest motherfucker
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: out there. I want six fifty guy. If its speed,
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: you know, the same on the other way, like I
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: don't want to know in between, guys, pick one and
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: go go all the way. But my biggest thing, you know, receiver,
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: maybe Luther burn whatever, moving the moving the needle at thirty,
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: but moving up into that third round or even into
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: the second and having six picks in the first four rounds.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: That's what would I like that? Justice? What? What? Justice? What? What?
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: What does the general when he goes next week and
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: sits down and gets some chicken wings got to play
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: the wings and you're just chilling watching the draft unfold?
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: What would you be hoping for as as Thursday night concludes?
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Since we're not picking till damn near midnight, which is
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: a good thing, but not complaining, that's a good.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: That means you've been good last year.
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: You know what? After all that I just said about
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: Sean McK deurmott and never really having any weapons, I
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: actually agree with you. I think just going crazy on
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: offense would probably be your best bet because imagine Josh
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: Allen with a Detroit like off.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Oh oh, it would just oh oh.
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: I mean, come on, we're talking about imagine Josh Allen
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: with a Cincinnati like offense. What's the discussion to be
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: at here?
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I can only imagine. No, I mean, the only thing I.
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: Would I don't even care what. You could put a
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: middle school on defense, It wouldn't matter, right as long
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: as you got I would I would consider Joey Bosa
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: a good to a decent to good defensive end. So
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: as long as he can stay healthy, if you can
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: maybe get one more significantly dominant pass rusher to help
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: out with him and do so and and Oliver you know,
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: vanes that rotation and you can score points on people,
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: and then you let those guys pin their ears back
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: and go get the quarterback because they got to keep
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: up with Josh Allen dropping forty three points, you know,
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: just off the muscle, you know what I mean, third
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: quarter and you already got thirty seven, Like, you know,
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: that type of offense game plan I would like to see.
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: And again, because you have Sean McDermott, who's never gonna
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: put you in a Cincinnati Bengals situation. Mm hm, you're
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: allowed to play more fast and loose by just air
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: raiding and or you know, just running down people's throats
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: and just being off having your offensive prowess be so
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: dominant that they would have to try to match it,
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: and that's when people start making mistakes.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that that's the you know, we've we
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: talked about that before DT as we begin to wrap
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: up tonight's pressure bus pipes. I mean, we always talk
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: about that on on Nico City Crew pressure bus Pipes.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: So What is more, what is scarier for the opposing coordinator?
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: Is it, you know, a big ass defensive tackle. It's
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: you know, Kenneth Grant or what are those other guys think,
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: pat I don't even know all the names, but there's
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: there's some defensive tackles.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: They say, that's a heavy defensive tackle draft.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: I just is that the scariest thing that offensivequarters are
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: gonna wake, you know, wake up and stay up at
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: night thinking about.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Or is the defensive coordinator thinking about? Gosh darn it.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: They've got they.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Got Palmer who you know, you know, he's playing better
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: with Josh Allen. They've got Shakiir who's their bread and butter.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: They've got this other rookie. They've got Kincaid, who's you know,
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: you know, terrorizing in the middle of the field. You know,
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: they even have knocks off the bet Like, I don't
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: even know how I'm going to guard this guy this week.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: They got James Cook out the backfield and he's got
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: Ty Johnson as well, spelling him.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm going to do with this offense.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: I want the offense to be scary.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I understand what everybody eats.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: I just think that Everybody Eats lulled everyone into a
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: false sense of security last year. That's that's my final
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: standing on Everybody Eats because of the fact that obviously
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: they may be as the championship game, I can only
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: talk so much shit. I think that everybody in Bill's bafia,
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: not everybody, A lot of them fan base got very
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: very happy to shit on fourteen and say that we
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: forced him the ball when it was a great idea
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: to give him the ball because he was always open.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Well, well, then two things can be true. Then then
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: let's surround Josh with as many fourteens as possible. Let's
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: get him as many dangerous weapons as possible. Guys that separate,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: guys that win they're one on one battles, Guys that
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: can find the soft zone like Shakiir does in zones,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, maybe Kincaid can be unlocked.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Let's find as many weapons for Josh Allen because I
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, when it's January,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I think that I'll just put my chips on of
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: scoring as close to forty as possible, and then I
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: don't really care about the defense at that point. And
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: I think that's My final point, DT, is.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: That I just I have cared enough about this defense
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: over the years, and I keep getting burned. I tell
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: my kids as they're little and they start walking around
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: the house, keep your hands off the stove, not because
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: the stove is hot right now, but because of the
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: fact that you don't know one day when it is hot.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: I don't even want you to get in the habit
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: of putting your hand on the stove, because you will
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: get burned.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I've been burned too many times by mcderm's defense. Man,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I am not putting my hand on the stove.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: I don't care about who you get for them on
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: next Thursday, DT, I yes, I'll care, and I'll look
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: at his highlight that night, just like all of those
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: Mapia will and like, man, this guy Kevin grit these
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: something else. So this guy after that, I just it's
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: just gonna fade away quickly.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Man, offense. Offense will keep my attention.
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: That's fair. And and it seems like it's not a
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: draft where you know, other than you know the Travis
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: Hunters and whatnot, that you can kind of get some
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: studs on the offensive side of the ball through this draft.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: If we have ten picks kind of on philosophy earlier
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: about picking seven quarterbacks. Do we find the guy, let's
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: pick a bunch of wide receivers, let him go to camp,
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: throw the ball out, the dogs come to the top,
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: and the dogs play. So I like it. I mean,
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: we're got to fill some holes ond though inevitably just
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: the roster needs it. You know, you need the bodies
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: uh to to be out there and play. And the
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: second the defense does start becoming a liability during the year,
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: that's obviously the main talking point of all, well, we
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: can't win anything because Josh doesn't have a defense. It's
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: always it's always goes back to that. But a few
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: names I want to throw out there that are kind
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: of off the cuff that aren't necessarily gonna move the
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: needle for us, but I think would be good smart
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: pickups with a very deep draft. Quarterback quarterback Kyle McCord
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: out of Syracuse.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: This dude is Josh Allen junior.
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: His Now people are gonna come after me for the
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: rushing stats because the rushing stats are He's got like
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: minus one hundred and fifty yards rushing in his college career,
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: like total, Like that's his stat line. But stats are
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: sacks come into play on that, and they didn't rush
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: a lot at Syracuse or Ohio State. Ohio State, they
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: were just crushing everybody Syracuse. They offense didn't call for it.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: Kyle McCord has a cannon. Kyle McCord's a winner. Kyle
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: McCord is Josh Allen junior in my eyes, and I
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: think a late round pick. If he's available, to bring
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: him in and have some sort of security his seventeen
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: ever does go down, you've got a similar player that
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: comes in. We were never gonna have another Josh Allen
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: to back up Josh Allen obviously, but you know Mitch
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: Traubisky and the other experiments the last couple of year
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: or just duds. And if we can have kind of
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: a dog to back up seventeen, that would make me
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: feel a lot better about things. And he could go late,
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: local adversity, chip on his shoulder, come in.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Be the backup.
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: Otherwise, Desmond Watson, you probably you'll know him if you
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: see him. Look him up. Defensive lineman, Florida six five, big, big,
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: big dude. Yes, four seventy. Bring me the Vince will Fork,
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: Bring me the Vita Veya, bring me the big m
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: effort to plug that middle who's not gonna get any stacks,
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: but he's gonna take five, you know, three three guys
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: each play because he's just a plug in there. And
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: I get that's something late late rounds. You could get
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: him and could be a project and could be the
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: next Vince will Fork or Vita Vea and that dominant
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: pressure on that line. We have that star latwoiate type
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: that we haven't had since he left. It's been a
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: little more athletic and small down there. Let's get that
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: big boy Desmond Watson George Brand Florida.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Now he doesn't have to be first round. I don't
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: think right.
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: He might not even get drafted because he weighs five
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: hundred pounds. But that's so. Those are some some sneaky
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: names late in the draft. Put them on the bills.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: See what we can do. We got ten picks.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I liked your strategy earlier about trading up.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: I know that there's a there's a crowd out there
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: of people and I listened to him a lot of
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: I hear him on gr about it. Never trade up,
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: because again what I talked about before, you don't know,
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: so why are you trading up for an unknown commodity?
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: I get that, but there's not ten roster spots. There's
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: nowhere for these guys to fit. You cannot even sneak
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: all of them. If they're good enough, you can't even
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: sneak on the practice squad because you have to release
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: them anyway after so you may not even get a
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: chance to get them on the practice squad.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: So because of that factor, I, you know, I'm.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: Down with you on trading up and you know, using
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: some of the back end capital to make some of
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: that front end capital a little bit a little bit
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: sweeter with.
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: Those multiple picks, and you know, second round they're late,
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: but fourth round they're early. The fourth round is the
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: seventh pick of the fourth and then the thirdy obviously, right,
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: so if you can get into that third, you know,
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: and have the two seconds, the first, the third, and
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: then that's six picks in the first four rounds.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: Three three players or rotational guys the way that they
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: played their defensive line.
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: Absolutely now, and that really just as many as a
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: full ten pick draft last year, where we have maybe
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: questionable maybe three guys you.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Know that are that are actually contributed. Yes, oh no.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: By the time they said the end of the season
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: was done, Dwayne Carter was on the bench. He didn't
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: even get a jersey for the Kansas City game. None
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: of the draft picks were really doing too much of anything.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: I know, Javon Solomon kind of turned on a little
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: bit as it got later in the year and he
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: got a jersey, but.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: There wasn't there wasn't too much to write home about.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: Now as we wrap up tonight, you know, the drafts again,
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: it is funny and it's fun thing for us to all,
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: you know, kind of go back and forth with And
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: I think the DT was absolutely right the way that
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: he started the show. It is the season of hope.
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: Now we've obviously here, Bill, We've got plenty of hope.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: We got Josh Allen leading the show, so obviously we
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: have plenty of hope to go around.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I am ready for my parade, DT, I'm ready for
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: the parade.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: And I think that because I've been so laser focused
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: on that stuff like the draft and off season free
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: agent additions and stuff like that, it kind of just
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: goes under the radar for me because of the fact
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: that I'm spoiled and I could be honest and say
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: that I'm spoiled, but it's not a bad spoil It's
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: just the fact that we have one of the best
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: players on the planet, one of the best players playing
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: right now, and it will obviously go down in history.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I just want to maximize everything.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: So it's just, man, what is the order of the
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: games when the September start, and let's go from there,
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: you know, And I understand that that's not how everything works.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: So I really do enjoy the draft in respects to
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: the young men and their families their lives changing. One
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: of my favorite commercials with the NFL network, they put
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: on a commercial and it shows, you know, every Saturday,
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: every year, Saturday meets Sunday, and they got all these
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: different cutups and stuff like that on there, and I
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: really really enjoyed that commercial.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Was a couple of years ago. Even Reggie Raglan was
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: on it.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: And then they got like the Griffin twins, the one
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: with the one hand they were on there and.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Stuff like that, and I was like, that is a
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: really cool commercial.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: I really do enjoy seeing the families their lives change,
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: being a dad and just all the practices and shit
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: You know, Saturday mornings and you're like, oh my god.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: During the week and you're trucking these kids all over
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: the dam city. I have an appreciation for that as
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: a father now, because yeah, I mean, this is a
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: lot of work to get and realize these dreams. So
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: I'm really happy for that part of the draft. I
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: do enjoy watching that. I just don't know all the
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: prospects names, So DT, don't don't hold it against me,
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: Nic City Crew, don't hold it against me.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Bill's Mafia. I don't know everybody DT.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: I would like another weapon, and if it's an offensive
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: weapon in the second round, I promise you I'll stay up.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: I'll stay away past my bedtime, just watching that motherfucker's.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Highlights all night.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: I've just been watching highlights, like, oh yeah, that'll work
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: well with Josh. I think this guy, Kyle Williams, I
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: think I think same day as a Kylewits watching this Williams.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, okay, I like that, Like, yeah, give
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: me give me a Kyleways in the second round, Like
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: I'm not mad. Go get your defensive tackle first round
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: or corner, and then give me that guy.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's on Brandon Bean's radar. But
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: I really hope that it is.
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: I really do and then and then do it. Then
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: Brandon Bean picked somebody at the first round, so we
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: don't wait all Thursday, go to bed at one in
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: the morning, and then don't pick anybody. So pick somebody
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: in the first route. Watch some highlights on Friday.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I hear about it about the parties that are
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: going on. Resurgence is having a party. They keep promoting
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: it and stuff like that on the radio. So you're
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: absolutely right. Nothing worse than spending money all night and
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: then yeah, no no payoff at the end. Listen, DT,
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: I really appreciate you tonight. Shout out to our guest,
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: Justice General Radford again, the creative director at Buffalo fan Base,
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: the official Bill's Mafia podcast network, that DT and I
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: simulcass and he had to jet out.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: He's got a date night tonight. DT.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: I don't I guess a quick I mean tailgate report.
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: We don't really have one, you know what I mean.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: It's the holiday weekend. What are the plans for the holiday?
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: On my and I've got my girls are gone. They
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: went with their mother to Jordian to see her family,
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: so they're gone. They'll be back Monday. Nate got snatched
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: up from me by his best one of his besties,
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: and they went to Myrtle Beach. On the dad was like, hey,
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: can we take Nate And I'm like yeah me and
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: his mom was like, sure.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Take them.
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: So he went to Myrtle Beach. So it's literally been me,
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: Bobby and Quincy holding it down. Tomorrow we've got haircuts
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: and then after that. Man, I'm trying to just watch
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: some NBA playoffs. Man, I am chilling. I am not
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: on on nothing. I am just going to relax watch
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: the playoffs. I love NBA playoffs. It's my favorite time
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: of year for the NBA. So that's my nicol City
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: Crew Tabworak report. Man, I'm it's slow motion. Half the
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: kids here, half gone, and Sundays to myself.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: I'm just going. I'm with chill. I like it.
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: I like it.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: Weather, weather's breaking. I think next week is going to
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: be actual spring finally up here. So this weekend should
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: be relatively decent, you know, pretty pretty good weekend. Heading
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: heading back to the homestead. I'm gonna see what's going on.
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: I'd like to, you know, big nice slate of NFL
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: and NHL playoffs. Every they say NHL playoff hockey something different,
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: and I agree. And now this year with with Luca
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: and Lebron, you know, maybe Lebron's last push for a
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: legitimate title ring. You know, so I'm on that too.
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: A little tidbit, I'm going to see The Queen. The
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: Queen's movie Sinners really Hailey Steinfeld co starring with Michael B.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Jordan's Michael B Jordan. Yes, big will be.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: Coming out this weekend. God gotta support the Queen.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I gotta go see that. I'd like to still going
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: to the movies.
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: I'm old school in that, rob I like the movies.
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: I like getting the popcorn rolling up in the parking
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: lot before whatever you gotta do to get right for
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: the movie. And uh yeah, that's so I'm looking forward
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: to that. I don't you know, I'm putting I'm putting
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: a lot of home bias into it, and it might suck,
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: But Michael B Jordan's solid. I saw all that a
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: good actress career before you know, she got into music,
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: and obviously Spider Man was the last big one for her.
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: But you know, it looks, it.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: Looks because she was like into one of those Marvel
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: like shows or something like that.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Right, Hawkeye, Hawkeye.
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: The trailer looks looks like it's gonna be a little
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: mind tricky and fun. So Michael B. Jordan, Hiley, Steinfeld, Sinners,
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: we watched that this week and Easter, we're doing a
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: little unorthodox not seeing the sister and the EJ and
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: they're going up to her in laws. So just met
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: the parents and the grandma's and we're gonna do some
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: ribs on the trigger. So I requested you can't beat
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: the trigger ribs, So that's what instead of a ham
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: we're going ribs.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Ain't nothing wrong with that. You can switch it up,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: you can.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: You could pull all of them any time when it
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: comes to the holidays, as long as there's no written
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: rules and family traditions that you can't break.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely break them up and and and switch it up.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: That's what's up. Some ribs on the tragger sounds great, man.
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: I really do hope that you enjoy the holiday with
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: your people's man nicol City crew out there, Bill's Mafia.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Please enjoy the holiday weekend. Be safe out there.
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: You know we we really do love you guys. Season
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: five is in full swing. We will be next week.
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure exactly if it's gonna be our episode
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: or we might be a part of a simulcast, but
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: we will get you that information. Shout out again to
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Olivia Nagel, our creative director, and she just takes care
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: of us, so she will let you know and keep
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: you in the loop as next Thursday approaches. Round one Thursday,
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: I think it's what round two and three on Friday,
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: Friday and everything else on Saturday. Yeah, so listen, Nichols,
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: the crew. We will be at you on next Friday.
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: We will recap and talk about what's been going on
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: in respect to that first round pick. Like DT said,
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: hopefully we make the pick and everybody gets paid off
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: from Thursday night.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: But other than that, man, I will see you next week. DT.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Enjoy the weekend out there.
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: Listen, spread love not Hey, these were my bills, Thoughts
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: set out loud hit him with the.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Gold bills, DT. I mean, I'm singing the defense.
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: I'm singing.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about score forty go bills. That's me.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: That's my sign off.
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: Go bills perade year, Go bills parade year.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Oh goodness, I love it. I love it