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Ken Rosenthal’s Trade szn update · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Let's hit the Inside Scoop with FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal.
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Speaker 1: Trade deadline less than ten days away. Ken, we were
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Speaker 1: just talking about the Dodgers potentially losing Tanner Scott for
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Speaker 1: some time. Their bullpen is taking hits. I know you've
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Speaker 1: written about the Dodgers potentially looking for some bullpen help.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that any of those marquee names will
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Speaker 1: truly be available because you can also talk about how
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Speaker 1: Mason Miller was just mentioned in your notes, Colum, and
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Speaker 1: maybe he can get plucked away from the A's.
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Speaker 2: Those guys are available in the sense that those teams
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Speaker 2: will talk about them. The Guardians will talk about Emmanuel Classe,
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Speaker 2: the Twins will talk about John Durant and Griffin Jackson.
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Speaker 2: The A's will talk, presumably about Mason Miller. The question
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Speaker 2: is the price and what teams are willing to pay. Now,
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Speaker 2: all of those pictures I just mentioned are under club control.
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Speaker 2: Class A is under club control for a number of
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Speaker 2: years at a very affordable price. When I say club
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Speaker 2: control beyond this season, so the price will understandably be
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Speaker 2: higher than they would be for rentals. And there are
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Speaker 2: some rentals available, and I didn't mention David Bednar and
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Speaker 2: Dennis Santana. There are two others. So the supply of
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Speaker 2: relievers at least is better than the supply at any
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Speaker 2: other spot on the fields, much better than the supply
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Speaker 2: of starting pitchers, good hitters all of that. So, yes,
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Speaker 2: the Dodgers.
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Speaker 3: Will be able to get a reliever.
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Speaker 2: But if you remember, they built this team trying to
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Speaker 2: avoid overpaying at the deadline, specifically avoid overpaying for relievers.
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Speaker 2: That's why they signed Tanner Scott and Kirby Yates and
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Speaker 2: Blake Tringing for more than one hundred million combined. Now,
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Speaker 2: Evan Phillips is out for the season trying and still
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Speaker 2: is not back. Brisdar Graderol is out and Tanner Scott
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Speaker 2: might be joining them.
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Speaker 3: Big bus to the Dodgers can. But you mentioned Masonmiliar
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Speaker 3: in the athletics. Are they open for business? Are they
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Speaker 3: open for Sevarino seers some of their starters, Because I
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Speaker 3: feel like if they could get those guys out there,
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Speaker 3: they might be able to get a pretty big because
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Speaker 3: there's not a ton of quality starters and these guys
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Speaker 3: have shown at times they could be pretty good.
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Speaker 2: They're totally open for business on Severarinos Sears and Springs. Now,
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Speaker 2: they're not gonna give them away obviously, and each pitcher
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Speaker 2: is a little bit different. Sears is a guy who
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Speaker 2: hasn't had great results this year and even last year,
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Speaker 2: but takes the ball he is every fifth day. That
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Speaker 2: guy is there. Springs is someone who has pitched much
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Speaker 2: better of late, though his last start wasn't quite as
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Speaker 2: good and several. Reno, of course is the guy who
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Speaker 2: at Sutter Health Park is one pitcher and on the
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Speaker 2: road is another. A lot of money still coming to him.
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Speaker 2: So these guys are all different. But can they be
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Speaker 2: discussed in trades? Will they be discussed or the A's
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Speaker 2: drawing interest in them? Yes, yes and yes, so we'll
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Speaker 2: see what happens there. And keep in mind too, with
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Speaker 2: all these situations the A's the Diamondbacks too, when you
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Speaker 2: talk about Gallen and Kelly, these teams do need to
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Speaker 2: get through the season. They can't trade everybody, but I
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Speaker 2: would expect to answer your question, AJ, they'll be open
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Speaker 2: on those guys and willing to move.
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Speaker 4: Hey, Ken, how are we doing?
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Speaker 2: Hey keV? How you doing?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good, I'm good.
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Speaker 5: Hey.
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Speaker 4: Question for you, what are the Braves gonna do?
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Speaker 3: Not much.
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Speaker 2: And the reason they're not going to do much is
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Speaker 2: they're really open only to trading their players on expiring contracts.
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Speaker 2: Ray sol Iglesias would be one. Marcel Azuna is another,
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Speaker 2: but I can't imagine the demand for him is terribly high,
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Speaker 2: and he does have ten and five rights, so he
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Speaker 2: can veto any trade kind of control the process. When
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Speaker 2: you talk about controllable players, and I see Sean Murphy's
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Speaker 2: name get mentioned a lot. Sean Murphy is really good,
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Speaker 2: and there are teams that need catchers, yes, but if
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Speaker 2: the Braves are going to trade him, and remember this
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Speaker 2: is a team that under alex Anthopolis has always had
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Speaker 2: two strong catchers. They do that all the time. That's
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Speaker 2: what they that's how they operate. So they're not going
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Speaker 2: to be in any rush to trade Sean Murphy just
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Speaker 2: because Baldwin has emerged. And at the same time, if
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Speaker 2: they do anything like that, if they even entertain the idea,
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Speaker 2: it almost certainly would be in the off season when
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Speaker 2: you can open the discussions to more teams or teams
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Speaker 2: are ready to do some things in the offseason than
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Speaker 2: they are at the deadline. You have teams that are
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Speaker 2: nine contenders now that could be in play during the offseason.
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Speaker 2: You also have teams that might be more flexible with
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Speaker 2: their rosters in the off season. So a Sean Murphy discussion,
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Speaker 2: if it's ever going to take place, and I'm not
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Speaker 2: even sure that it will, that would take place in
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Speaker 2: the winter.
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Speaker 3: All right, Let's go a ken to a team used
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Speaker 3: to make baseball come alive. When you cover them, the Orioles,
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Speaker 3: what are they gonna do? Because they're fascinating to me.
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Speaker 3: They're not getting back in the race like everyone thought
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Speaker 3: they were, but they have some pieces that are tradable.
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Speaker 3: But the thing I want to know is, ID think
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Speaker 3: Rutchmen possibly out there because they took what Ike Irish
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Speaker 3: and Caden bo Dying their first two picks in the
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Speaker 3: draft a couple weeks ago. Where do they stand with that?
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Speaker 3: Is that the guys who are going to to come
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Speaker 3: up at some point long and they also have the
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Speaker 3: Basalo Samuel Bassolo catcher prospect right there, So is possibly
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Speaker 3: you mentioned Sean Murphy, could Adley Rutchman at some point
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Speaker 3: possibly be on a move.
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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, he's on the injured list right now,
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Speaker 2: so I would say no, he has an oblique He's
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Speaker 2: still recovering from that. I don't expect that he's going
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Speaker 2: to be traded anytime soon. But what I wrote about
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Speaker 2: my notes column is the idea that long term, he
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Speaker 2: might not be the piece that we all thought he
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Speaker 2: would be. The fixture the ten year oriole his deal
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Speaker 2: is up after twenty seven, or not his deal his
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Speaker 2: arbitration expires after twenty seven, so he has only two
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Speaker 2: more years of control left. And as you mentioned, they've
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Speaker 2: got Basalo coming. They drafted those two guys. Only Bodin
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Speaker 2: is really a catcher. Ike Irish is someone who's going
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Speaker 2: to bounce around, maybe play the outfield. They don't see
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Speaker 2: him as a pure catcher. But yes, Adli Rutchman since
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Speaker 2: last year's All Star break has not been a very
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Speaker 2: good offensive player. Ran into some bad luck this year. Okay,
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Speaker 2: we all understand that, but he has not proven to
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Speaker 2: be the guy that we all thought perhaps he was
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Speaker 2: going to be. Not saying he can't be that guy
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Speaker 2: at some point, But then you wonder, okay, under the
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Speaker 2: current circumstances, would the Orioles sign him to an extension.
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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of talk about that over the years.
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Speaker 2: Oh gotta get Adleie done.
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Speaker 3: Got to get him signed.
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Speaker 2: Well, if he's not going to be that much of
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Speaker 2: a cornerstone player for you, maybe you look and say no,
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Speaker 2: and maybe in the offseason you look to trade him. Then.
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Speaker 2: I haven't heard that. I don't necessarily expect that, but
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Speaker 2: they do have other options in their system. There's no
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Speaker 2: question about it.
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Speaker 4: Okay, where do you where do you see the Angels at?
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Speaker 4: I know they have some interesting pieces to Tyler Anderson
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Speaker 4: a Taylor Ward, but they're also right in the thick
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Speaker 4: of this wildcard race. What do you expect them to do?
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Speaker 2: Kevin, That's a really interesting team, and they're interesting because
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Speaker 2: their owner Ardi Moreno is unpredictable. It would seem to
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Speaker 2: me that if they're anywhere close that they're going to
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Speaker 2: either buy or just kind of do some things around
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Speaker 2: the edges. I don't see them selling if he thinks
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Speaker 2: the owner that they have a chance. And yet at
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Speaker 2: the same time, they've got the Mets now and the
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Speaker 2: Mariners coming. If they have a bad week and fall
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Speaker 2: out of this thing, they could be a really interesting seller.
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Speaker 2: Taylor Ward, of course, would be one piece. He's under
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Speaker 2: control for one more year. Could they listen on Kakuchi
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Speaker 2: in a market and market star for starting pitching. Could
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Speaker 2: they trade Kenley Janson, even listen on Joe Adell who's
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Speaker 2: having a breakout kind of year. They could do all
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Speaker 2: of these things. I don't expect that they will because
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Speaker 2: I don't know that Artie Moreno wants to preside over
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Speaker 2: a rebuilding situation. But the key question with the Angels
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Speaker 2: is always what is already thinking? And the answer right
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Speaker 2: now is we don't know?
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Speaker 1: so I've we had a seller question on a team
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Speaker 1: that is definitely not in it this year. The Washington
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Speaker 1: Nationals can. But I wanted to get more context on
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Speaker 1: what you wrote in your notes column. This could be
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Speaker 1: the trade deadline where you could get a ton for
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Speaker 1: someone who doesn't have a lot of years of control left.
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Speaker 1: And to me, I'm bringing up Mackenzie Gore because the
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Speaker 1: starting pitching market doesn't look loaded. He looks like he's
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Speaker 1: someone who can help a playoff team. And what are
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Speaker 1: the Nets doing? I mean they're trying to sell in
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Speaker 1: my mind, and with that, they're trying to keep their
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Speaker 1: payroll down. So if you're trying to do that, you're
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Speaker 1: not trying to win right now, And Mackenzie Gore is
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Speaker 1: going to expire before they're good again, So why wouldn't
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Speaker 1: they make a move like this Scott.
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Speaker 2: If you remember, in twenty twenty two, Wan Soto had
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Speaker 2: as much club control remaining two plus years as Mackenzie
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Speaker 2: Gore does right now. The difference is Mike Rizzo no
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Speaker 2: longer is the president of Baseball Operations. They have an
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Speaker 2: interim GM Mike de Bartolo. They're going through, obviously some change.
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Speaker 2: They also have traded away players in recent years and
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Speaker 2: lost them in free agency, big time stars in their
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Speaker 2: own division, Bryce Harper, Trey Turner, Juan Soto, Kyle Schwarber,
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Speaker 2: and of course Max Scherzer was traded with Turner. I'm
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Speaker 2: not sure they have an appetite for doing this again.
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Speaker 2: With Mackenzie Gore, who is part of this rebuild, a
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Speaker 2: huge part of it, one of the central figures in
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Speaker 2: the Sodo trade, and with all this change, all this
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Speaker 2: uncertainty in the organization, I'm not sure they see this
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Speaker 2: as the right time. But that said, given that the market,
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Speaker 2: as I mentioned, is starved for starting pitching, quality starting pitching,
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Speaker 2: given so few aces are available, teams are going to call.
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Speaker 2: And will some team say to the Nationals. Listen, we're
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Speaker 2: gonna give you X Y and Z and it's going
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Speaker 2: to be really good. Won't be the Soto deal, but
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Speaker 2: it might be something really good for now.
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Speaker 3: Do they do it?
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Speaker 2: In my opinion, they probably should. Mackenzie Gore, represented by
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Speaker 2: Scott Morris, probably not a strong candidate to sign an extension.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know where this is going with the Nats.
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Speaker 2: But it's similar to Mason Miller, and it's similar to
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Speaker 2: some other guys who are under club control for multiple years.
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Speaker 2: How hard will teams push and will those teams tempt
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Speaker 2: the teams that have those players?
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Speaker 3: Those players X Y and Z are always good. Ken
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Speaker 3: always remember that they're always great. So no matter what,
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Speaker 3: X Y and Z are the best players in the
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Speaker 3: league because no one knows who they really are, so
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Speaker 3: they can fly under the radar now right. You and
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Speaker 3: I did the Cubs Red Sox game this weekend, and
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Speaker 3: you were in there with me when Craig Counsel said
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Speaker 3: the Brewers have really good starting pitching. I'm not surprised
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Speaker 3: they're here. But are you surprised they're here? Because I mean, honestly,
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Speaker 3: I didn't know think they'd have the best record in
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Speaker 3: baseball in almost the end of July. What are they
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Speaker 3: gonna do? We know the left side of the infield,
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Speaker 3: but who's out there they could possibly get because their
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Speaker 3: pitching is unbelievable and they're making a run of the
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Speaker 3: like said, a lot of people are surprised.
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Speaker 2: By First of all, a JA, how can you not
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Speaker 2: be surprised? They trade Corbyn Burns two years ago, then
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Speaker 2: they trade Evan Williams last offseason, lose Willia Domas to
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Speaker 2: free agency. They don't do much in the offseason at all.
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Speaker 2: In fact, they did hardly anything until the very end
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Speaker 2: when they had some pitching injuries, signed Kintana, traded for Priester.
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Speaker 2: What do they do now? It's going to be really interesting.
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Speaker 2: You're right, the left side of the infield should be
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Speaker 2: an area of focus. I don't see why they can't
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Speaker 2: be a team for Aohano Suarez. They are the team,
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Speaker 2: one of the few teams that actually has pitching to trade. Now.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that you trade young pitching for a rental,
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Speaker 2: but maybe you expand the deal. The key question here,
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Speaker 2: too is the owner and how badly he wants to
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Speaker 2: push Mark Attanasio we've seen has not spent money but
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Speaker 2: been very successful. And if you're Mark Atanasio, you're probably
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Speaker 2: thinking we're doing okay. But after sweeping the Dodgers, and
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Speaker 2: he lives in La at Tenasio does I wonder if
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Speaker 2: he is getting a little bit more excited and if
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Speaker 2: he sees an opportunity here, not for them to do
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Speaker 2: something nuts, but just to add payroll to reinforce what
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Speaker 2: they have. They also need bullpen help. They have a
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Speaker 2: really good bullpen, but all teams at this time of
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Speaker 2: year are wondering if their guys are gonna be on
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Speaker 2: fumes and just in general want to reinforce that part
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Speaker 2: of the team. So I expect them to be active.
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Speaker 2: They should be active.
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Speaker 3: Will they be?
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Speaker 2: That remains to be seen.
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Speaker 3: All right, Ken, we have Kevin palar on here. It's
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Speaker 3: his first time on our show. So I want people
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Speaker 3: out there to understand what thing. Ken and I like
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Speaker 3: each other? All right, So everyone out there that thinks
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Speaker 3: Ken and I really don't like each other, we actually
13:34
Speaker 3: really do like each other. And there's no I'm never
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Speaker 3: more excited than when I see Ken on my schedule,
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Speaker 3: like get because we get to talk baseball for a
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Speaker 3: long time. The car rides and after the thing and everything.
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Speaker 3: But I got to experience some with Ken on Saturday
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Speaker 3: night that he had never done before. Okay, I got
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Speaker 3: Ken to go to the club. Okay, to the club
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Speaker 3: now granted him and Adam, I mean were having a
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Speaker 3: height off on Adam's DJ Bouts set. But I got
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Speaker 3: Ken to go to the club with me and watch Adam,
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Speaker 3: Me and DJ. Did you like it? Ken? Because you
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Speaker 3: left a little bit earlier than we did, and it
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Speaker 3: got going pretty good, and Adam did his whole set?
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Speaker 3: But did you like it? Ken? And people were justpported
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Speaker 3: you didn't wear your boat tie.
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Speaker 2: I had taken my bow tie off by that time.
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Speaker 2: I definitely liked watching Adam in action. It's amazing to
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Speaker 2: me that Adam Amin, who is the Chicago Bulls regular
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Speaker 2: television announcer, a guy who does Fox football and baseball,
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Speaker 2: a very prominent broadcaster within I don't know, a half
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Speaker 2: hour of that game ending Saturday was across the street
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Speaker 2: in Wrigleyville, DJing and it was going. It was going
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Speaker 2: pretty good. Now, did I like it? Aj?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 2: I liked it. I mostly liked it because I was
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Speaker 2: really intrigued to see Adam and see him in action.
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Speaker 2: But I'm a little bit older than you. I'm a
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Speaker 2: lot older than most of those people who are in
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Speaker 2: the club. I can definitely enjoy seeing everybody so happy
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Speaker 2: and having fun.
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Speaker 3: Is it my scene?
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Speaker 2: Will I be back next week? Will I be back
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Speaker 2: every night? Probably not? And by the way, on that photo,
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Speaker 2: show that photo again.
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Speaker 3: I want to.
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Speaker 2: My wife when she saw that photo, her comment was,
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Speaker 2: it looks like AJ. He's taking the kids out.
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Speaker 3: Then before asking me if I was standing on a box,
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Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I was not standing on a box.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I texted AJ. AJ looked like Shack. AJ is
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Speaker 1: gall and AJ is thick. He's got a thick build,
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Speaker 1: So I was like, dude, you look like Shack up
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Speaker 1: on the stage and Shacks and DJ.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, Adam is.
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Speaker 2: Like my size, which is amazing because there's nobody my size,
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Speaker 2: nobody that's small. But Adam is kind of that.
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Speaker 3: I think he left a little early kid, but he
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Speaker 3: Adam at one point grabbed a microphone. He was already
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Speaker 3: gone and was like, not only was he doing his thing,
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Speaker 3: but then he was talking while he was doing it.
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Speaker 3: That was when the crowd really it's like I'm bleeping
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Speaker 3: out him with me let's bleep and go. We almost
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Speaker 3: got Ken. We almost got Ken to do the frat flick.
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Speaker 3: I was trying to get him to do the frat
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Speaker 3: flick in the corner, you know, with the beef, but
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Speaker 3: he got his arm up there with the just oh no.
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Speaker 2: AJ had a lot of fun that.
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Speaker 3: Night, I can tell. I can tell.
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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe next time bring the club outfit.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe next time. I mean, Kevin, it was like
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Speaker 2: a half hour after the game. It wasn't well. Actually
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Speaker 2: AJ changed. But these guys play by play and analysts.
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Speaker 2: They have clothes in the booth. They have all kinds
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Speaker 2: of action going.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ken's running around on the field. He's a grinder. Ken,
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Speaker 1: thank you, and it made my day to see.
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Speaker 4: That picture the other day.
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Speaker 1: So I'm glad you pulled that off.
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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you later this week. Thanks guys.
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Speaker 1: That's Ken Rosenthal at Senior Insider, who does attend clubs
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Speaker 1: once a lifetime and then also attends Fair Territory twice
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Speaker 1: a week, so you can count on him on Thursday
16:58
Speaker 1: Live with a Lona Rizzo taking more your questions. I
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Speaker 1: saw something we didn't get to, so ask away on Thursday,
17:04
Speaker 1: let's say spreading rumors. Let's start with Dee Gordon, who
17:07
Speaker 1: was on a podcast the other day called The Raw Room,
17:10
Speaker 1: and he essentially said that the league told him to
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Speaker 1: let Bryce Harper win the Triple Crown in twenty fifteen,
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Speaker 1: and that because d won the batting title that year,
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Speaker 1: MLB brass strung him up under the guise of testing
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Speaker 1: positive for steroids and gave him a bogus suspension.
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Speaker 4: I wanted to.
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Speaker 1: Read that one parbade him because that's a lot. So
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Speaker 1: there it is, the quote Dee Gordon and why I
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Speaker 1: got suspended in twenty sixteen. MLB told me not to
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Speaker 1: win the batting title. And there is sound too. If
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Speaker 1: you look it up online you can see all of this.
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Speaker 1: It's not like a fake account. Heyj Then Kevin, you
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Speaker 1: guys are I want to know first?
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Speaker 4: I mean, here's why I get myself in trouble. So
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Speaker 4: I want I want you to go first.
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Speaker 3: Listen as someone that lives their life in trouble, KP.
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Speaker 3: You get used to it after a while. Trust me,
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Speaker 3: it's not that big of a deal. Okay, But here's
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Speaker 3: my thing. This was ten years ago almost like what
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Speaker 3: and now we're just hearing about this, Like is this real?
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Speaker 3: Who answers? Who called him Rob? Manfred? Did Rob? Did
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Speaker 3: he pick up his cell phone say hello Rob? Oh? Rob?
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Speaker 3: You don't want me to win the batting title? So
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Speaker 3: Bryce Harper did Brice Harper? Was he close? I don't
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Speaker 3: even know to winning the triple Crown in twenty fifteen?
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Speaker 3: Was he? I don't know. I always liked the Gordon.
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Speaker 3: I've known de Gordon for a long time. I always
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Speaker 3: thought he's a pretty good guy. I mean, did steroids
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Speaker 3: got popped? But they say that MLB fake popped him
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Speaker 3: because they told him not to win the bat Like
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Speaker 3: this is one of those things that did we land
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Speaker 3: on the moon? Did we do this? I mean? Who
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Speaker 3: shot JFK? Did de Gordon get suspended because he won
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Speaker 3: the batting title? I've never heard anything like this, But
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Speaker 3: I don't know prove it? How do we prove this?
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Speaker 3: We can't we can pull cell phone records up. I
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Speaker 3: don't know.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would say to your point, you
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Speaker 4: know a lot of things we don't know the entire
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Speaker 4: story about. We call conspiracy. What does he have to
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Speaker 4: gain from this? Like you said, it's been ten years
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Speaker 4: since this happened for him to kind of and I
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Speaker 4: know D two. I know D. I've talked to him
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Speaker 4: as recent as a couple of months ago. You know,
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Speaker 4: lives in Florida, does his thing. He has his uh
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Speaker 4: you know, he has his crops, he grows. You know,
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Speaker 4: what does he have to gain from this? And if
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Speaker 4: the story is true, I want to hear the entirety
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Speaker 4: of the truth. I mean, who made the phone call?
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Speaker 4: You know, what was the conversation? Like, I mean, if
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Speaker 4: you're gonna spill some of it, spill, spill the entire bag.
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Speaker 3: Kap. This is like no, this is like when you
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Speaker 3: watch those shows on TV where there's like a random
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Speaker 3: person in a room and their and their cell phone rings.
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Speaker 3: It's no, you know, block collar and you're a killo
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Speaker 3: and they're like, do not win the batting title or
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Speaker 3: we will get you for still who is this? Don't
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Speaker 3: worry about it. Just know your family and your career
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Speaker 3: is in jeopardy. What wait, no, wait, let Bress hyper
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Speaker 3: win the batting title by and you're like, wait, what
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Speaker 3: just happened? The voices all these guys right, it's like
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Speaker 3: a TV show, like who the heck who called him?
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Speaker 3: I want to know now? I want to know and
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Speaker 3: who called I need more detail.
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Speaker 4: I need more detail. I'm going to share half the
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Speaker 4: story or a small portion of the story. At this point,
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Speaker 4: you know, he's not he's not trying to be employed
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Speaker 4: by MLB. He's not trying out for a job. I mean,
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Speaker 4: let's just let's just put it all out there and
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Speaker 4: then we can all make a better determination if we
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Speaker 4: think it actually happened, if it didn't happen. You know,
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Speaker 4: I kind of stay a little bit out of the
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Speaker 4: loop since I retired. I'm not trying to stay off
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Speaker 4: my phone as much as I used to. But I
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Speaker 4: did happen to see this, and I was like, this
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Speaker 4: is kind of bizarre. DEEG Gordon, you know, kind of
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Speaker 4: once he retired, you know, he get his own thing.
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Speaker 4: You don't hear from him a lot, see him a
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Speaker 4: lot for him to go on this podcast, and you know,
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Speaker 4: just leave a little bit at bread crumbs. You know,
21:08
Speaker 4: maybe there's a financial incentive for him to, you know,
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Speaker 4: come on a podcast, tell it all, write a book.
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Speaker 4: I don't know, but I want to know. And if
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Speaker 4: there is, I'm subscribing to hear the rest of the.
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Speaker 1: Story, no doubt. I would love to get him on
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Speaker 1: a should send texts.
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Speaker 3: I've never won a batting title. It's because MLB called
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Speaker 3: and threatened my family. If I did, that was that
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Speaker 3: was why.
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Speaker 1: That was why I knew it.
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Speaker 4: I knew it.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't that I just didn't do it. I wasn't
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Speaker 3: good enough. It was just, you know, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I mean, come on, I didn't win the whole run
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Speaker 3: title ever because I don't know, they threatened my kids.
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Speaker 3: Come on, like, I don't know, I just don't know it.
21:46
Speaker 3: It's just it just seems like sometimes things seem so
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Speaker 3: bizarre that they're really true. So I don't know, but like, gosh,
21:53
Speaker 3: that's what KP said, Like I now, I want now,
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Speaker 3: I want to get a hold of d and like
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Speaker 3: try to actually get the rest of the story because
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Speaker 3: I'm intrigued by this because when he said it and
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Speaker 3: I watched it, I was like, is he joking? Is
22:06
Speaker 3: he being sarcastic? But then he like dug in a
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Speaker 3: little bit, So I don't know. We're gonna have to
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Speaker 3: make some calls and see what can get on. Come
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Speaker 3: on here and try to finish the story off for us.
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Speaker 1: Yes, please, I would love to chat with him more
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Speaker 1: about this. He has definitely been pretty remote since he
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Speaker 1: stepped down from his playing days. But that is a wild,
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Speaker 1: wild story to tell.
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Speaker 3: Have you guys buy that? Also, I want to say this,
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Speaker 3: and we talked about this before the show. The argument
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Speaker 3: with Dee Gordon steroids is always like, he doesn't look
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Speaker 3: like he did steroids, right, But that doesn't matter. It
22:39
Speaker 3: wasn't about like getting bulky. I mean, yes, now there
22:42
Speaker 3: were times where certain guys wanted to get huge and
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Speaker 3: bulky and strong, but Bartolo Coloone got pop for steroids.
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Speaker 3: He didn't look like he was on steroids either, right.
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Speaker 3: I mean people would look at him to even on steroids,
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Speaker 3: but that helped them throw one hundred miles an hour
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Speaker 3: his whole career. So you just never know. There's different
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Speaker 3: types of steroids. Some are for recovery, some are for
22:57
Speaker 3: this or for that. So I'm not saying Dee Gordon
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Speaker 3: did steroids or didn't steroids. I know he tested positive
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Speaker 3: for steroids. That's pretty good indication you did them. But
23:05
Speaker 3: I'm just saying like, just because that's always the excuse me,
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Speaker 3: he doesn't even I think he says it enough like
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Speaker 3: I don't look like I did steroids, but that's that
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Speaker 3: doesn't matter. I played with guys I know did steroids.
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Speaker 3: Any look like they did steroids, but they did them. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I mean the other part too, is you and I
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Speaker 4: both know who's You know, we've taken many, many, many
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Speaker 4: drug tests in our life, you know, being a professional
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Speaker 4: baseball player, you know, you pee in the cup, they
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Speaker 4: put sample a sample b you know, you sign off everything.
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Speaker 4: You know there's a seal on it. Who really knows
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Speaker 4: what happens once they're shipped off. I mean, I'd like
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Speaker 4: to think that there's a lot of integrity and the
23:43
Speaker 4: people that are doing the drug test, but it is
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Speaker 4: not out of the realm of possibility that if this
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Speaker 4: story is true, that they could contaminate his drug test,
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Speaker 4: his urine sample. I mean, you know, once it's once
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Speaker 4: you do it and you put it in that box
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Speaker 4: and you sign your paperwork or sign that iPad, it's
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Speaker 4: kind of out of sight, out of mind.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, let me just say this also,
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Speaker 3: you mentioned that about all that. But if this was me, okay,
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Speaker 3: and I know that I had never done anything, I
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Speaker 3: would have been talking about this when it happened. I
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Speaker 3: would have been suing people. I mean, I would have
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Speaker 3: come out of the woodwork after this, right, So to
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Speaker 3: come out ten years later, that's why this is so interesting,
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Speaker 3: weird timing, whatever you want to say, But I know this, KP.
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Speaker 3: If I was a player and I was told I
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Speaker 3: did staroids and I knew that I hadn't done anything,
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Speaker 3: then I mean, I'm going on the offensive. I'm hiring lawyers,
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Speaker 3: I'm suing the testing company, I'm suing MB. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I'm doing whatever I can to keep my reputation that
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Speaker 3: I didn't do Stuarts. If I knew deep down, not
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Speaker 3: ten years later coming out, I'm saying, oh man, they
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Speaker 3: got me because I won the batting title. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: To that point, I do have a former teammate, a
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Speaker 4: friend of mine that did test positive around that same time,
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Speaker 4: and he's still fighting it till this day. I mean,
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Speaker 4: that's how important he is. You know, he fought it,
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Speaker 4: you know when it happened, and I think it was
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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen, and he's still continuing to fight it today
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Speaker 4: because you know, his reputation as a player, his name
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Speaker 4: was destroyed by that positive test. And I know the
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Speaker 4: kind of the behind the scenes details of what's going on.
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Speaker 4: And to your point, if if you knew deep down
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Speaker 4: inside at your core that I did everything right and
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Speaker 4: I didn't you know, take any steroids, you would be
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Speaker 4: fighting it and it would be public knowledge.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the guy you're talking about has
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Speaker 1: talked about it publicly, not anytime recently, but I think
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Speaker 1: I can say the name because I mean, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: remember when all of that went down, Chris Colobello.
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Speaker 3: Right, mm hmm, absolutely, yeah, I.
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Speaker 1: Remember all that, and he's still pushing that. I think
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Speaker 1: at some point, because there's stuff going on behind the scenes,
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Speaker 1: we'll be able to talk to him more publicly about
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Speaker 1: what's going on with that story. So let's finish with this.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard anything close to this wild story wise?
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Speaker 1: Obviously you don't have to name names if that's going
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Speaker 1: to help, but whether it's on this topic or anything
25:57
Speaker 1: else like conspiracy theories in baseball, I mean your sure
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Speaker 1: off the field, KP. Is there anything ever that guys
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Speaker 1: throw around where they're like, oh, I'll never get out,
26:05
Speaker 1: but this is crazy. And again, it doesn't have to
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Speaker 1: be names that that's going to help to conceal. But
26:10
Speaker 1: this one really stood out when we all saw were
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Speaker 1: like WHOA.
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Speaker 4: I mean like like I said, I think, you know,
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Speaker 4: a lot of these things are considered conspiracy until they
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Speaker 4: are actually proven. And yeah, I mean what came to
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Speaker 4: mind is because they did the documentary on it, but
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Speaker 4: you know, the NBA reps kind of betting on the game.
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Speaker 4: That's something probably players talked about in the locker room, like, man,
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Speaker 4: this ref is terrible. I wonder if he has money
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Speaker 4: on the game. You're like, no way, that's a conspiracy.
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Speaker 4: There's no way they'd ever do it. And then many
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Speaker 4: years later it comes out that they were betting on
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Speaker 4: games and you know, shaving points and you know, giving
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Speaker 4: free throw advantages to certain teams. So, I mean, that's
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Speaker 4: the closest thing I could think of right now.
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Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. That's Tim donaghy, all right. So
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Speaker 1: we'll try to get the strange cordon on Incent she's
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Speaker 1: been sent. That's the best that we can do. We
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Speaker 1: send out texts, we see if they'll come on to
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Speaker 1: talk it out and tell their side of the story.
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Speaker 1: I know he did already, but to get deeper into
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Speaker 1: the detail because there are a lot of people right now,
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Speaker 1: some that believe him, some that don't. The ones that don't,
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Speaker 1: I'd say a good portion of them have more questions
27:19
Speaker 1: and if it is really true, you want to say
27:21
Speaker 1: it with your chest, then just give more details on it.
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Speaker 3: He's a nice guy.
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Speaker 1: I've interviewed him many times during his playing days, so
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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens.
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Speaker 3: He was one of my son's favorite that he met
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Speaker 3: my son. He was awesome to my son. He's from
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Speaker 3: the Orlando area, so my son. When my son was
27:34
Speaker 3: on the field, he was always one of his favorites.
27:36
Speaker 3: On this happen, my son's like, Dad, what what you know?
27:38
Speaker 3: My son was like nine years old. He's like dad, what,
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Speaker 3: no way? He was like, I don't know, Austin.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, well maybe to be continued.
27:47
Speaker 3: I agree.
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Speaker 1: Super nice guy, always very available, quiet and shy when
27:52
Speaker 1: he was playing, but more outspoken down
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Speaker 3: So we'll see