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Body in Freezer Exposes Deadly Love Triangle & Conspiracy · The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories

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  Speaker 1: Mhm nine. I uh, my name is cannas some heneda
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  Speaker 1: camill please there right away? Who's gotten a dead body?
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  Speaker 1: And who's got a dead body? Free? Okay, sir, take
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  Speaker 1: a deep breat that to transit a camel Okay, don't
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  Speaker 1: hang outkay, I won't. Oh yeah, me and my wife's
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  Speaker 1: on a dead body your ner freezer. Yes, a thread
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  Speaker 1: of my friend called athlete my tristes off. Can I
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  Speaker 1: put my freether in your race? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Every suspect accused of the crime has the right to
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  Speaker 2: remain silent. Many agree to be interrogated anyway, but they
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  Speaker 2: can stop the interview at any moment, making it a
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  Speaker 2: race against time. Justice hangs in the balance.
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  Speaker 3: In June of twenty seventeen, the Youngstown Police Department gets
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  Speaker 3: a call of a missing adult. Shanning Graves was last
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  Speaker 3: seen by her family around February of twenty seventeen, but
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  Speaker 3: and the missing person's report wasn't filed until June.
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  Speaker 4: Shannon graves sister reported that Shannon had a history of
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  Speaker 4: not being in contact with her family for short periods
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  Speaker 4: of time, but when it reached the four month mark,
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  Speaker 4: it seemed extreme even for what they were used to.
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  Speaker 5: She missed holidays with the family. She missed her sister's birthday.
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  Speaker 5: Shannon's sister and her little brother were very important to her.
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  Speaker 6: Something was wrong, something was off.
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  Speaker 4: When the officers responded, they got no response at the
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  Speaker 4: door of the apartment. They were not able to make
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  Speaker 4: contact with anyone inside.
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  Speaker 3: As we start looking at Ohio food card records of
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  Speaker 3: Shannon to kind of see where she has been over
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  Speaker 3: the last few months since family members had last heard
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  Speaker 3: from her.
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  Speaker 7: Shannon worked in Akron, Ohio, which is forty five minutes
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  Speaker 7: west of Youngstown, and typically when Shannon got off work,
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  Speaker 7: the Warfare card would be used at convenience stores around
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  Speaker 7: where she worked.
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  Speaker 4: That usage changed after the last week of February two
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  Speaker 4: thousand and seventeen. Places where she normally shopped she no
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  Speaker 4: longer shopped.
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  Speaker 7: The card is now being used in convenience stores in Youngstown.
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  Speaker 7: It's being used after Shannon has been seen.
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  Speaker 4: In addition to that, the benefits were not being used
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  Speaker 4: at all. After May of twenty seventeen, she just disappeared.
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  Speaker 3: We feared that something nefarious may have happened to Shannon,
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  Speaker 3: and there was time to launch a formally missing person investigation.
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  Speaker 5: Shannon grew up in Youngstown. She had a very difficult childhood.
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  Speaker 5: Her parents, even though they loved her, were pretty involved
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  Speaker 5: in their own drama and lives. For period of time,
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  Speaker 5: she was in.
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  Speaker 6: A group home.
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  Speaker 5: She has an older sister, Debbie, and she has a
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  Speaker 5: little brother, Aj, and Aj was her world. Everything that
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  Speaker 5: she did, it was to protect Aj. She didn't always
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  Speaker 5: get along with her mom. There was a lot of rebellion,
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  Speaker 5: I guess. However, as she got older, she went to
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  Speaker 5: cosmetology school and Shannon graduated.
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  Speaker 6: She was a hard worker and she was fierce.
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  Speaker 5: Shannon was one of those friends that became family. I
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  Speaker 5: was praying to God that she was somewhere safe.
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  Speaker 4: We discovered in April twenty seventeen the Youngstown Police Department
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  Speaker 4: towed Shannon's car and we had actually had it in
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  Speaker 4: our impound lot.
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  Speaker 7: Shannon's car was being driven by her boyfriend our Turnavoa
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  Speaker 7: and our Turnavoa committed a traffic violation. There was a
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  Speaker 7: police officer present, tried to pull our turnavo over. Our
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  Speaker 7: Turnavoa flees, He ditches Shannon's car, gets out of the
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  Speaker 7: car and runs and he's apprehended. Shannon's car is then
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  Speaker 7: towed to the impound lot and remain there.
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  Speaker 4: Artrou got a couple of tickets and was released. On
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  Speaker 4: the scene, we found a series of cardboard box tops
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  Speaker 4: and we were able to determined that they had contained
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  Speaker 4: bottles of drain cleaner, which was mainly sulfuric acid.
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  Speaker 3: That kind of elevates our suspicions is that something else
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  Speaker 3: is going on here besides just a missing person's case.
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  Speaker 4: John told us that Arturo and Shannon had broken up
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  Speaker 4: and that Arturo was upset about the breakup.
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  Speaker 5: Shannon and Arturo were toxic with each other, and I
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  Speaker 5: know that he's put his hands on her.
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  Speaker 6: He was tired of it.
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  Speaker 5: She wanted to get away. She wanted to move on
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  Speaker 5: and have a better life.
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  Speaker 4: John reported that a few known individuals had observed Arturo
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  Speaker 4: Novoa burning some of Shannon's items in a fire pit
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  Speaker 4: on the south side of Youngstown, and in fact another
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  Speaker 4: party helped him burn these items, in the person of
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  Speaker 4: Andrew Hermann. They seemed to think that there was more
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  Speaker 4: to this fire than just burning up your ex's clothing.
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  Speaker 4: Ashes from the firepit were recovered and we did find
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  Speaker 4: a bracelet with block letters with Shannon's name At that point,
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  Speaker 4: we were beginning to think Shannon might be in trouble,
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  Speaker 4: so we were interested in speaking with Andrew Herman because
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  Speaker 4: Andrew is one step closer to our turo who won't
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  Speaker 4: speak to us at all.
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  Speaker 8: M hm m hm.
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  Speaker 9: Andrew undetected Lambor.
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  Speaker 8: This is.
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  Speaker 9: I know you you have some information about this. You look,
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  Speaker 9: we're looking for this girl, Shannon Gray. That's been a
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  Speaker 9: big thing. I've seen it everywhere. It's everywhere. We can't
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  Speaker 9: find her. Trying to figure out what's anything you can do. Basically,
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  Speaker 9: I know from or tour.
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  Speaker 10: He was living with me at one of my past
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  Speaker 10: residences and Shannon Graves also moved in and late winter
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  Speaker 10: or at least spring somewhere around there. I asked him
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  Speaker 10: how everything was going, and he pretty much he told
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  Speaker 10: me that she left him and basically reminded me to help.
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  Speaker 9: Him get rid of the last of her crap that
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  Speaker 9: she left there. I figured he was being spiteful and
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  Speaker 9: I kind of helped him burn it. How did that
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  Speaker 9: go down?
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  Speaker 10: It's just garbage bag felt like papers and stuff.
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  Speaker 9: It really wasn't heavy. I had like a pair of
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  Speaker 9: clothes or something. Pretty much just grabbed some sticks, went
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  Speaker 9: to my buddy's.
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  Speaker 11: House to carry fire because he let us use his
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  Speaker 11: fire bit because I didn't even really ask questions about
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  Speaker 11: it when he asked me to help me burn that crap.
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  Speaker 11: I've seen too many crime shows. This does not look good.
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  Speaker 11: I didn't see any bloodstains on him. I don't like
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  Speaker 11: feeling used. The more I think about it, the more
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  Speaker 11: it's freaking me out.
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  Speaker 12: The longer reason I can see if even ask you to,
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  Speaker 12: he actually did something to her and you knew that's
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  Speaker 12: so I really went down. As time goes by, when
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  Speaker 12: she doesn't show up, if she doesn't alive, it's going
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  Speaker 12: to become a murder and he's going to be a
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  Speaker 12: prime suspect, and the facts of the case would be
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  Speaker 12: you were helping and murders. So if you have any
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  Speaker 12: other knowledge, this is a good time.
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  Speaker 10: From what everybody's telling me, everybody thinks it's foul play,
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  Speaker 10: and it's starting to worry me because if that was
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  Speaker 10: the case, and if it is foul play, then.
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  Speaker 9: What the hell did he.
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  Speaker 1: Have me do?
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  Speaker 5: Shannon is small but mighty, and she made sure that
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  Speaker 5: you knew it. When she was passionate about something, she
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  Speaker 5: would defend it to her fullest. I used to joke
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  Speaker 5: around and say, Shannon, you're like you're a pit bull
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  Speaker 5: in a Chihuahua's body. And then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 5: Shannon just goes missing, and I knew something was wrong.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't know what to do.
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  Speaker 9: Do you have any personal knowledge that she's dead?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, sir? Did you?
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  Speaker 13: Did you mention anything?
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  Speaker 12: Someone roll?
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  Speaker 9: He didn't mention anything. He said he left him. There's
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  Speaker 9: some other dude.
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  Speaker 13: You think he would kill him?
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  Speaker 10: It's really hard to say, but I've never seen him
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  Speaker 10: have really any urge to be violent.
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  Speaker 4: Andrew was cooperative. He's not really shown a lot of
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  Speaker 4: what I would call deception. At this point, there was
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  Speaker 4: nothing to indicate Andrew had anything more to do with
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  Speaker 4: this than his role in burning shin and things.
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  Speaker 9: Thanks for coming in.
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  Speaker 4: After speaking to Andrew, we gleaned no new information than
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  Speaker 4: we had before, so it became important for us to
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  Speaker 4: track down our Touro and speaking with him. During the
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  Speaker 4: phone interview with Arturo, Arturo completely denied all knowledge of
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  Speaker 4: there being a fire or shannon stings being burnt. That
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  Speaker 4: was a huge red flag. We knew it happened. We
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  Speaker 4: knew that Arturo was lying to us.
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  Speaker 3: He came forth with some information and that Arturo also
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  Speaker 3: had another girlfriend. We learned that Arturo was dating on
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  Speaker 3: and off again for many years Katrina late, and we
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  Speaker 3: learned that she was in the picture the same time
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  Speaker 3: that Shannon Graves.
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  Speaker 9: Was in the picture.
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  Speaker 3: It was your stereotypical love triangle of individuals. So naturally
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  Speaker 3: we have to look at her as a strong person
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  Speaker 3: of interest.
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  Speaker 9: So we'll see. Well, I got to hear.
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  Speaker 12: One of the reasons we've been knocking on doors down
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  Speaker 12: there is because we're looking for Shannon.
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  Speaker 14: Oh yeah, I've heard something about that. I haven't really
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  Speaker 14: been following it all too closely.
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  Speaker 9: I was with him for a long time.
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  Speaker 14: He first they got together.
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  Speaker 15: Me and him were together for seven years, and then,
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  Speaker 15: you know, we just needed a break.
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  Speaker 14: We slid up for a little bit. They were together
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  Speaker 14: for a very short period of time. We started talking
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  Speaker 14: when we got back together.
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  Speaker 9: When you moved in his apartment, was there stuff still there?
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  Speaker 8: No?
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  Speaker 14: She had taken everything from what I know of.
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  Speaker 9: Have you seen him using heard her?
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  Speaker 14: I don't think him her has I don't think so.
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  Speaker 14: I mean when we go a shop and he just
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  Speaker 14: whips off a card, you know, I'm assuming it's his.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, as far as I know, it's her car
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  Speaker 12: was still being used after she disappeared.
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  Speaker 14: I've never seen him use it. Not that not that
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  Speaker 14: I know of.
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  Speaker 4: No, with this welfare card she starts out with, I've
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  Speaker 4: never seen it. But then transitions do not that I
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  Speaker 4: know of. That's a very small queue, but it's an
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  Speaker 4: indication that there's deception there.
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  Speaker 14: I don't really know details is a problem. I didn't
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  Speaker 14: want to get in any trouble. I don't know what
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  Speaker 14: kind of relationship they have. I'm not going to sugarcoat
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  Speaker 14: anything when it comes to her. I never really asked
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  Speaker 14: a whole lot of questions.
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  Speaker 9: What I'm telling you right here, Does any of this
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  Speaker 9: bother you?
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  Speaker 15: I mean, I feel bad that she's missing, of course,
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  Speaker 15: because it's never good for somebody. It's not if you're
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  Speaker 15: asking me if I think he had anything to do
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  Speaker 15: with it.
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  Speaker 14: No, I don't think you have anything to do with it.
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  Speaker 12: Let me ask everybody this, because we've been looking for
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  Speaker 12: this girl. I well, it's been almost it's been more
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  Speaker 12: than a lot.
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  Speaker 9: You think she's.
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  Speaker 15: Alive me personally from her history that I heard of,
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  Speaker 15: I've heard she has a history of disappearing.
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  Speaker 9: Do you think he killed her?
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  Speaker 14: No, And I'll tell you why, because I've known him
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  Speaker 14: a very good long time and I've.
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  Speaker 16: Never once seen a violence side to him.
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  Speaker 1: Ever.
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  Speaker 9: When I just asked you that, you swallowed hard, like
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  Speaker 9: you were.
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  Speaker 12: Choking something down, and I was like, holy crap, some
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  Speaker 12: things are like so subtle.
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  Speaker 9: But I asked you that, and I was like, man,
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  Speaker 9: it made my blood runkle.
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  Speaker 14: No, I mean, just to me, it just I don't know.
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  Speaker 14: I mean, it's just a weird question for me.
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  Speaker 9: I guess.
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  Speaker 4: All the way to the end of that interview, there's
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  Speaker 4: a degree of weirdness that we're getting from her. At
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  Speaker 4: this point, I'm certain that something's going on and she's revolved.
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  Speaker 4: We were able to determine that Katrina, Shannon and our
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  Speaker 4: Trull's cards had been used together. All three of their
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  Speaker 4: welfare cards were used at the same location within seconds
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  Speaker 4: of each other, months after she's missing. This stuff is
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  Speaker 4: all bad. This is all pointing towards what are you doing?
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  Speaker 8: And why?
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  Speaker 1: Nine one one, I, uh my name is gonna ask
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  Speaker 1: him how the camel please it? Right away? The gun
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  Speaker 1: A dead body in our freekin, A dead body in
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  Speaker 1: our freeze. Everything being my way from you're on a
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  Speaker 1: dead body freezing, I think it's the same.
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  Speaker 4: We're led to the back of the house into the basement,
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  Speaker 4: and in the basement is a deep freezer. Inside that
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  Speaker 4: freezer were several black bags and a orange plastic bucket
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  Speaker 4: which contained human remains. It was immediately apparent that we
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  Speaker 4: had the body of a female that was kind of
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  Speaker 4: curled up in the bag. In the bucket there appeared
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  Speaker 4: to be the remains of a human head.
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  Speaker 7: There was part of the jawbone left and part of
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  Speaker 7: the spine and that had acid on it. Everything that
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  Speaker 7: was done shocks to conscience. It's depraved, it's unconscionable.
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  Speaker 4: There was a tattoo on the female's foot which we
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  Speaker 4: were able to identify Shannon from. It changed it from
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  Speaker 4: a missing person to a homicide. Speaking with them, we
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  Speaker 4: learned that the Eshenbahs were friends with Arturo, Katrina, and Shannon.
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  Speaker 4: They all knew each other. According to mister Eshanbah, Arturo
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  Speaker 4: called him and said that his power was going to
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: be turned off at his apartment and asked him if
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  Speaker 4: he could bring the freezer to his house and plug
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  Speaker 4: it in there. Mister Eshenbah agreed.
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  Speaker 9: They told us.
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  Speaker 7: Days later, Jill Eshenbaugh is going to make dinner and
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  Speaker 7: opens up the freezer and sees Shan's body.
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  Speaker 4: At this point, our main focus is arresting and interviewing
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  Speaker 4: Katrina and Arturo.
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  Speaker 3: A warrant was issued for abuse of a corpse, but
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  Speaker 3: at that point we had no proof that they actually
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  Speaker 3: committed the homicide or dismembered the body. So the goal
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  Speaker 3: is to get them to tell us everything that they
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  Speaker 3: know about it.
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  Speaker 12: Katrina, Yeah, earlier in the week.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I decided to talk to Katrina first because it
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  Speaker 4: was our tour who burned Shannon's things and actually moved
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  Speaker 4: the freezer to the house and camel So it was
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  Speaker 4: important for me to get as much as I could
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  Speaker 4: from Katrina so that I could use it when I
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  Speaker 4: talked to Arturo. There's been some developments in Shannon's case,
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  Speaker 4: and we're at the point right now where arrested. OK,
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  Speaker 4: so we're at the point where you got to kind
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  Speaker 4: of pick a side on this because you have some
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  Speaker 4: exposure here. I felt the best method was to present
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  Speaker 4: the evidence we have to her so that she could
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  Speaker 4: come to the conclusion that it's in her best interest
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  Speaker 4: to cooperate and stop covering for him.
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  Speaker 9: Well know she disappeared right around that last week of February.
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  Speaker 9: In March.
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  Speaker 12: We also know that afterwards, her Hile direction card was
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  Speaker 12: used in places where yours and his were at the
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  Speaker 12: same time.
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  Speaker 15: Well no, but I've already told you guys that if
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  Speaker 15: he was using that card that I didn't nobody.
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  Speaker 4: She's locking up. There's no answers to anything. So when
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  Speaker 4: we decided to just fire all guns, give it all
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  Speaker 4: to her at once, see what it does. Because you've
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  Speaker 4: got nothing to lose.
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  Speaker 9: I'm gonna ask you a question. Do you have a
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  Speaker 9: freezer at your host?
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  Speaker 7: No?
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  Speaker 14: I don't.
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  Speaker 17: What you're doing any for you is going down the
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  Speaker 17: dream right now. You're gonna continue this kind of crap.
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  Speaker 17: You're gonna leave yourself in the spot where nobody can
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  Speaker 17: help you, nobody.
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  Speaker 15: I'm I was about to tight that we're gonna get
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  Speaker 15: a freezer until we got her.
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  Speaker 14: For just told I wasn't with him.
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  Speaker 9: What do you for you?
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  Speaker 14: I gave him. I'm pretty sure I give him cash.
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  Speaker 9: So you don't know what day you moved it to Kenny's.
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  Speaker 14: I didn't know he moved at Kenny's What.
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  Speaker 9: About the Boddy in the freezer?
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  Speaker 14: What do you mean by in the freezer?
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  Speaker 9: What do you talk a body?
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  Speaker 14: What do you mean there's a body in a freezer?
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  Speaker 14: And what freezer?
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  Speaker 9: The freezer that you guys bought. Let me show you something.
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  Speaker 9: This is a freezer. This is the body.
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  Speaker 14: Okay, wait a minute, what are you guys talking about.
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  Speaker 12: I'm talking about a body freezer that you bought put
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  Speaker 12: in that house. And there's a girl that's been missing
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  Speaker 12: for a couple of months. Now I gave you the
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  Speaker 12: missing girl is dead in your freezer. I'm looking for
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  Speaker 12: some kind of reaction, but I because at all.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, no, it's not that. I'm just trying to process everything.
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  Speaker 14: You guys are.
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  Speaker 15: Sitting here telling me that there's anybody in this freezer
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  Speaker 15: that I did not bring to Kenny's house, say house,
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  Speaker 15: You just.
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  Speaker 14: Told me it was in King's basement, in King's house.
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  Speaker 17: Whatever I mean, I'm assuming that I never.
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  Speaker 9: Told you that.
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  Speaker 14: Okay, well here's the thing.
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  Speaker 9: How did you know that?
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  Speaker 15: But I'm telling you that the last place I knew
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  Speaker 15: of this freezer being was at my new house.
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  Speaker 9: That right, how long this place she told us she
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  Speaker 9: knew what it was was in Kenny's basement.
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  Speaker 15: Because that's the only place to put a freezer in
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  Speaker 15: his basement.
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  Speaker 4: She has an agenda, she has a plan to survive
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  Speaker 4: this interview, and she's running it. And it's going to
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  Speaker 4: take a lot for me to bump her off of that.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm gonna keep doing it.
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  Speaker 9: Forget about this. You kill her? Were you there when
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  Speaker 9: she was killing?
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  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: What?
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: Well? Sure looks like you did.
• 26:03
  Speaker 14: No, what do you mean It looks like I did.
• 26:05
  Speaker 12: She's in your freezer, the one you paid for it,
• 26:08
  Speaker 12: so it kind of looks like you killed her.
• 26:10
  Speaker 14: I'm sorry, but it wasn't me. I wasn't there. Okay, Well,
• 26:14
  Speaker 14: I'm telling you that I know nothing about.
• 26:19
  Speaker 18: Maybe she just showed up and crawled in there were
• 26:21
  Speaker 18: a new freezer. Happens all the time you leave the
• 26:24
  Speaker 18: back door lock. Maybe you think, yeah, pretty much. No,
• 26:30
  Speaker 18: none of this is funny. Getting screwed around by you
• 26:32
  Speaker 18: is not funny.
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: Here's what I want you.
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: To tell me.
• 26:35
  Speaker 17: I want you to tell me you don't have nothing
• 26:36
  Speaker 17: else to say about this, that you don't know nothing
• 26:38
  Speaker 17: about that.
• 26:39
  Speaker 14: I don't know anything about that.
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: I'm good. Take the chances. I have a seat there
• 26:45
  Speaker 9: we'll be right back.
• 26:47
  Speaker 14: Hold On, none, no, hold on.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: We had reached a point where we weren't making any
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: games with Katrina. She had her story, she had the
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: lane she wanted to be in, and no matter what
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: I said, it didn't disruptor from that.
• 27:05
  Speaker 13: Can I kill him?
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: H What's at stake is the difference between an abusive
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: a corpse case and the ability to take this into
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: a murder case.
• 27:29
  Speaker 9: Mister Lamber Developments, What's that would be?
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: Honest?
• 27:38
  Speaker 9: I have people that know you're saying you brought a
• 27:40
  Speaker 9: freezer to our house. When they opened it up, kiss
• 27:42
  Speaker 9: what they found? What did they find?
• 27:45
  Speaker 12: Why I think you're here? The charges abusive a corpse?
• 27:51
  Speaker 12: Excuse me, abusive a corpse?
• 27:54
  Speaker 9: Are you ain't serious right now? I'm not won't.
• 27:56
  Speaker 19: Man, this is gonna take so long a job you're
• 28:06
  Speaker 19: gonna lose your job.
• 28:07
  Speaker 12: Did you hear what I said, the thing about you're
• 28:12
  Speaker 12: a dishwasher job anymore? There's a body in a freezer
• 28:16
  Speaker 12: and the guy said, you brought it to the house,
• 28:17
  Speaker 12: your dishwasher job, and I'm back, is okay?
• 28:22
  Speaker 9: That's that's a weird thing for you to say, like
• 28:25
  Speaker 9: my job is done.
• 28:29
  Speaker 10: I don't understand how any of this would make sense
• 28:31
  Speaker 10: to me in the first place.
• 28:32
  Speaker 9: Okay, let's make sense of that. Do you use Famin's
• 28:35
  Speaker 9: direction card regularly? No, I used to shoot.
• 28:39
  Speaker 12: Okay, so in March in April, when you were using
• 28:43
  Speaker 12: your direction card, did.
• 28:45
  Speaker 9: You happen to be with her? So you want to
• 28:47
  Speaker 9: ask me about somebody else direction card? As if what
• 28:51
  Speaker 9: you're telling me isn't bad.
• 28:53
  Speaker 12: Enough, as if after I tell you you're worried about
• 28:56
  Speaker 12: in a freezer direction card fraud is?
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 29:01
  Speaker 19: Absolutely, Can I make a phone call because I mean,
• 29:07
  Speaker 19: I need to obviously get a hold.
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: Of the lawyer. Oh, would you like to talk to
• 29:10
  Speaker 9: the lawyer. I would like to call my lawyer. I guess.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: When a suspects ask for a lawyer, number one is
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: the right, but number two it doesn't mean it's the
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: end of the case. And at this point we had
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: a abuse of a welfare card and an abuse of
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: a corpse case, and not yet a murder case. We
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: still had to go back and talk to Katrina again.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: And my approach is going to be like, look, he's
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: pointing at.
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: You, Patrina.
• 30:01
  Speaker 20: Okay, Hey, Knittlers, you say you don't know nothing about
• 30:11
  Speaker 20: no freezer.
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: Why would you say that.
• 30:19
  Speaker 9: Already got any more.
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: Trainer?
• 30:23
  Speaker 9: You see, he doesn't know nothing about no freezer, and
• 30:26
  Speaker 9: you're making that up. And you realize always gotta do,
• 30:30
  Speaker 9: always gotta do, is trade you for him. That's it.
• 30:34
  Speaker 9: That's where he's at right now. You see where it
• 30:36
  Speaker 9: is going. Do you understand where I can end this road.
• 30:41
  Speaker 14: Some groupus supposed to do?
• 30:42
  Speaker 9: Just tell the truth. I don't care what he said before.
• 30:46
  Speaker 9: Just tell the truth.
• 30:47
  Speaker 12: Tell us what you know about everything. Stop doing this
• 30:52
  Speaker 12: and just tell the truth. You're you're leaving you some
• 31:15
  Speaker 12: wide open other things.
• 31:16
  Speaker 9: You gotta understand what it looks like.
• 31:19
  Speaker 12: She's freed your boyfriend, then she disappeared, and then she's
• 31:22
  Speaker 12: in your freezer.
• 31:24
  Speaker 9: Just tell me what happened. It's gotta be better than
• 31:27
  Speaker 9: when it looks. I don't.
• 31:28
  Speaker 14: I don't know anymore.
• 31:30
  Speaker 9: Katrina. Did you kill her?
• 31:33
  Speaker 12: No?
• 31:33
  Speaker 14: Okay, And I didn't bring that freeze or get anything.
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: Katrina. Did you take her apart?
• 31:39
  Speaker 12: No?
• 31:40
  Speaker 9: Did you put her in that freezing No?
• 31:46
  Speaker 15: I mean, I just know that the whole time we
• 31:48
  Speaker 15: were at the apartment, she wasn't there. My brain hurts
• 31:52
  Speaker 15: from all this.
• 31:52
  Speaker 14: I didn't know that she was there. I didn't know
• 31:55
  Speaker 14: that she was in that freezer.
• 31:58
  Speaker 12: Okay, stop everything else, tell me what I please so
• 32:03
  Speaker 12: we can because this has been way too long. Listen
• 32:08
  Speaker 12: to me.
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: I can't keep this up all night. So if you guys,
• 32:12
  Speaker 9: you need to say it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: It's just.
• 32:17
  Speaker 12: I don't know.
• 32:18
  Speaker 14: You know it something hapn't give you. They don't or Bodie,
• 32:23
  Speaker 14: I don't, I don't know.
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 32:26
  Speaker 19: I can't.
• 32:26
  Speaker 14: I can't see the children between the children.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, we're at the point now where it's apparent nothing
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: more is gonna.
• 32:32
  Speaker 9: Come out of there.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: These interviews confirmed to me that the two had a
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: story that they were gonna use and stick to. They
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: both have knowledge of what was going on, and they
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: were gonna run their game plan. But we're gonna keep
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: playing this.
• 32:55
  Speaker 17: And this is not our last chance.
• 32:58
  Speaker 9: You get chance.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Hey, we cemented their abuse of a corpse case without
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: really implicating them in the murder. We're going to pick
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: up whatever scraps we can and try to put a
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: case together.
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: While Alturn Navoa wouldn't really talk about the case. When
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: I go through Katrina's phone calls, I see calls to
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: her friend whose nickname is Nicki and they got into
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: an argument and Nikki is telling Katrina, you have to
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: leave Novoa. You have to get away from him.
• 34:02
  Speaker 14: Nicky, please the fuck.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not people like an over year and that for real,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: I don't over it too.
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: I'm over it.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: You presentd Mike, it's okay.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: It's not okay, Trina.
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: He is a killer, and you know, I know, I know,
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: I know that he's a murderer. He's a murderer.
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: Their prison jail calls were a big old moment. So
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: I had Mike Lambert called Nicki and we all drove
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: out to Connecticut and we interviewed Nicki. Nicki really is
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: the only person that really tells us what happened.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: Katrina told her that in February twenty seventeen, Katrina came
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: to the apartment and found arturo sitting in the corner crying,
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: and when she asked him what was wrong, Arturoll pointed
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: her towards the bathroom where Katrina found Shannon dead.
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: Katrina tells Nicki, if we wrapped her in the shower curtain,
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: we put her in the trunk of my car, and
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: we put the body in the garage. Our Turnovoa calls
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: Nicki and says to Nikki, yeah, it's true I killed Shannon.
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: It was an accident. I didn't mean to do it.
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: Please don't tell anyone. Well, Nicki tells us, that's the
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: evidence that we have that our turn of was the
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: killer of Shannon Graves. The dominoes just fell that we
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: re indict the case. We indicted our Turnavo and Katrina
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: Layton for aggrade murder. So when we walked in, I
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: put the reports right in front of her in the
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: attorney and her attorney said, oh boy. And I said, okay, Katrina,
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: and now you want to tell us what's going on here?
• 36:24
  Speaker 14: Well, I had about a pole problem for true, Yeah,
• 36:30
  Speaker 14: he was perments.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I remember that he was. He was upset.
• 36:35
  Speaker 14: So when would come to the house, I don't really
• 36:37
  Speaker 14: know what the hell is going I mean, eat hoolans
• 36:41
  Speaker 14: to the back of the house and choose an inchlng.
• 36:45
  Speaker 9: Any way happens, you got.
• 36:47
  Speaker 16: The court consider ours. I remember saying, well, you can't,
• 36:50
  Speaker 16: you can't leave her song. At that point I realized,
• 36:55
  Speaker 16: you know, I couldn't. I can't lift up slip a
• 37:00
  Speaker 16: little bit that she was happy.
• 37:03
  Speaker 14: I didn't handle the Torso in my head, but no.
• 37:08
  Speaker 12: I was.
• 37:12
  Speaker 14: I was already freaking out, you know.
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: Yes, what I called answer.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Katrina revealed that Andrew Herman helped Arturo dismember shand it
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: it does give us something to talk to Andrew about.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: The only difference is now we're confronting him with what
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: Katrina told us about him actually participating in the dismemberment.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: Big difference between burning someone's things and cutting them apart.
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: To whose ideas the word? They asked, how's that coming?
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: Boy?
• 37:52
  Speaker 14: I didn't look up sport. I just looked.
• 37:57
  Speaker 9: What ever bought to say it? Ye.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Katrina Layton began to give more information, although it wasn't
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: really in a direction that would lead to any more
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: than the abuse of a corpse case with her and Arturo.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: So after speaking to Katrina, it became real important to
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: talk to Andrew because we were interested in hearing what
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: he had to say about the actual murder of Shannon.
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: We proffered him, we met him. I told his lawyer.
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: I said, look, if Andrew wants to be cooperative, he
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: needs to do it, otherwise he's in a world of hurt.
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: It's really important to me, I said a lot of candor,
• 39:07
  Speaker 9: so what happened? He asked me to meet him.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Stay meet.
• 39:16
  Speaker 9: What would you do? And I'd be over there. He
• 39:19
  Speaker 9: told me to pick up a parent draom stacks and
• 39:24
  Speaker 9: opened the up.
• 39:25
  Speaker 21: I did. Who was inside ship? I started freaking out?
• 39:35
  Speaker 21: So Ferris bubble Down asked him, one mm hmmm, you'll
• 39:46
  Speaker 21: tell you how she done it now. It was pretty gobbless.
• 39:50
  Speaker 21: Would you see the head was taken? It's passion.
• 39:57
  Speaker 9: Okay, that's what happened to that.
• 40:01
  Speaker 21: Told me he gets my help to make her smaller.
• 40:06
  Speaker 21: We'll just sho how do you dismember in the video shape?
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: How'd you continue blood lead out part of the guys
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: with the grub experience comes from?
• 40:21
  Speaker 9: And what did you do after that?
• 40:24
  Speaker 8: Yet?
• 40:27
  Speaker 9: And then what happened? He said? Our advisor said, I
• 40:30
  Speaker 9: can't help you any further with this.
• 40:33
  Speaker 12: Can your knowledge what happened to Shannon and Maze after
• 40:40
  Speaker 12: that day?
• 40:40
  Speaker 9: I have no knowledge. You ever asked about acid? Yeah? Yes,
• 40:45
  Speaker 9: what kind of acid for that kind of thing that's
• 40:50
  Speaker 9: hold about watch Katy bad.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: In the end, I think that we got as close
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: to the truth in this matter as we possibly could.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: For the first time. The brother and sister of Shannon
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Graves confronted the man who killed her and asked for justice.
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: We're fighting.
• 41:27
  Speaker 20: Hoping that we can get as much time as possible
• 41:30
  Speaker 20: for him to go away.
• 41:32
  Speaker 15: We don't want him ever to be out, we don't
• 41:34
  Speaker 15: want him to ever be able to hurt anybody else.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I really do believe that justice was served. It speaks
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: to the tenacity and the dedication of the investigators. Detective
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Lambert is the investigator that I would want because he
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: doesn't stop until there's nowhere else to turn.
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: Justice for Shannon is important to bring her family some peace.
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: Her sister, her brother, her father. Never sought people who
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: did this to her to be punished for it.
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: It's life altering losing someone like Shannon. So there's definitely
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: a gaping hole in everybody's heart without Shannon.
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: She was special, She was one of a kind and
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: I miss her.