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Joe Rogan Experience #2364 - Brandon Epstein · truthunedited

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  Speaker 1: Joe Roman podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Check it out, The Joe Logan Experience, Train My Day,
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  Joe Rogan podcast by Nay all Day.
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  Speaker 3: Many episodes of guys that had on fall into the
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  camp who had their YouTube channel deleted. And we're talking
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  about like wellness, like doctors talking about COVID stuff.
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  Speaker 1: There was a bunch of doctors that had their their
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  YouTube accounts deleted. Really, yeah, it was a weird time,
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  you know it. It's a weird time. The world of
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  medicine is interesting because you've got so many positives, right,
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  Like people are healthier, they live longer today than they
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  ever have been before. If you get certain diseases, they
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  have cures for it that didn't exist before. But there's
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  financial incentives involved in prescribing medications that maybe people don't
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  fucking need because they can make more money if more
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  people take these drugs. And that's the problem. Like there's
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  we've got to separate the baby from the bathwater and
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  know what to throw out, right, and it's you can't
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  throw out medicine Like that's crazy. It's amazing. Like what
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  these pharmaceutical drug companies in coordination with all these brilliant
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  scientists have created is the greatest medicine system the human
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  race has ever known, at least probably maybe the Mayans,
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  like you know what I mean, Like, yeah, maybe some
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  like civilizations that collapse because the Europeans gave them all
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  fucking smallpox. Ironically, who knows what the Egyptians do, you know,
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  who knows what those people knew about health and about medicine.
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  But what we know today is that there's incredible stuff
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  that comes out of the pharmaceutical drug companies. But also
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  they're fucking l to Yeah, they're also they'll publish fake
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  studies or not fake studies, but they'll published studies that
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  they've engineered to be successful even though they're not going
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  to be. They'll hide data that shows that it costs
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  side effects. They want to make money. And it's not
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  the people that are making the medicine. That's what's crazy. Like,
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  the people that are making the medicine are fucking geniuses.
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  It's the money people. It's always the money people or
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  in everything, And that's the same thing with YouTube, and
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  that's the same thing with everything. It's the money people.
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  And there's there's Oh, when you have a giant corporation,
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  you have like all kinds of stuff going on. But
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  the number one thing that's going on is everybody has
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  to make more money every quarter. And that's where it
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  gets nutty.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it does.
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  Speaker 3: And we also live in a culture that wants that
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  like fast food experience, right, oh yeah, cut, And so
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  it's we're so susceptible to it. Yeah, right, for everything,
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  for weight loss, to any issue you have.
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  Speaker 1: We're experiencing it a little bit in the comedy community
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  because and this is by the way, this is like
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  a normal thing that happens to young comedians. They want
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  to be further than they are. Maybe they think they
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  deserve more than they're getting. They think they deserve more shows,
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  better spa shows, And it does happen. And there's also
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  you know, like there's a competitive drive involved in it.
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  So there's a little bit of delusion, a little bit
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  of a competitive drive. It's very similar, I would imagine
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  to fighters. First of all, we just tell everybuddy success code.
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  You're a mind coach. You worked famously with Sean Brady,
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  who I love a little bit. He's a fucking animal. Yeah, whoa.
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  He's fun, he's fun, and he's got like extra muscles
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  on his back. I don't know what the fuck that
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  guy does. But he looks like a.
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  Speaker 3: Turtle tattoos coming to life.
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  Speaker 1: We were all talking about it the other day, Like
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  he looks like a turtle. Like he's got like a
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  shell on his back that just jacked muscle. Like I
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  know what that is. Like when I see a guy
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  like that, I'm like, that guy, squeeze your fucking face
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  into jello. Like this, he's so strong and what he
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  did a Leon Edwards was like, holy shit, man, that's
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  a world champion and to do it that decisively on
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  a world champion, Like he's completely turned a corner. He
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  was always awesome, but he posts the Ballaw fight completely
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  turned a corner, and a lot of that success U
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  he attributes to you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. He talks about this openly. But after
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  the Ballall fight, that's when we started working together. And
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  it was because I think this happens to a lot
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  of fighter with a lot of high achievers. Is he built
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  this identity of being unbeatable, right, so all his belief
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  that was wired around who he was was I am unbeatable.
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  And so when he lost, everything shattered hmmm, and so
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  he was broken. He didn't know how to pick up
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  the pieces after that, it was like, how is this possible?
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  I believe him unbeatable, but then I lost, and so
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  we literally had to go into his nervous system. And
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  it's almost like clearing out, almost like we're doing surgery
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  at an energetic level, of clearing out all the bullshit
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  around these new beliefs that are starting to form, like
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  in the confusion of like I am beatable? Am I
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  gonna lose my next fight? And we had to clear
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  all that and bring him back into that state of
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  being of I'm unbeatable again?
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  Speaker 1: And how did you learn how to do all this? Like,
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  what's your background?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was a college football player, and my
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  freshman year in college, I rode the bench and I
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  was looking for solutions. I was a typical meathead. The
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  most important things for me was getting jacked and playing football.
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  Like I was literally out of stuff in my shop
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  looking for pro homones. This is me eighteen years old.
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  It is like a hypertensive big neck, right.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, they used to sell some shit
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  people don't know, basically steroids at local supplement stuff. There
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  was this stuff that I took once a strong shit
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  ever took in my life. I think it was called
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  mag ten. Do you remember that? I remember that it
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  was bananas. It was full on steroids. And after I
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  got off, Mike Dick was like, what are we doing?
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  We don't have any more testosterol left me. He took
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  him for like eight weeks. It was crazy. They gained
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  like fifteen pounds and I couldn't believe you just buy
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  it from a store. I'm like, this can't be that
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  good if you're just buying. When someone told me about it,
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  I was like really, and like, yeah, you have to
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  try this. There it is? Is that it anabolic dominance?
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  I don't know if that's the stuff, but you definitely
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  can't get that anymore, can you. They just keep being
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  what's in there? But here's the other thing about what's
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  in there? Says who? Yeah, says who? Who's checking it?
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  We had a problem with my company with on it
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  when we first started. We were we would send stuff
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  out the third party labs to get it analyzed, right,
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  and we're finding all sorts of things in it that
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  aren't supposed to be in there, like different vitamins creating
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  all kinds of shit that's just not supposed to be
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  in there, Like why is this stuff in this Does
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  this make any sense? And this is what you hear
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  about with tainted supplements with fighters all the time. So
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  what happens is we found out that some of these
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  companies that mix your products for you, say, if you
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  have like some B three K two supplement, you put
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  them all together, they're mixing them in the same bin
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  where they're making steroids. They're mixing them in the same
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  bin where they're making creating. Like, they don't give a
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  fuck if you're just like if you're shipping that shit overseas,
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  they're just they don't give a fuck. Okay, they probably
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  don't even want to be working there. They're probably like
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  hell the against their will. Yeah, Like who knows where
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  this factory is? And so we had to upgrade our factories,
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  We had to we had to figure out where the
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  most ethical sources are and make sure and then we
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  had a third party test again and make sure we're
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  on the level. But that's a real problem. So if
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  you're buying something like that, they can tell you whatever
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  is in there, that fell fucking throw viagra and d
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  ball and who knows what's in there just because it
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  says what it is on the label. There was there's
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  That's the wild thing about supplements, right, there's no FDA.
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  Speaker 3: Wlackimle, Right, they figure out that someone reports it and
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  then they get rid of it and then whack them ole.
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  The next one pops up. They're like, it's pretty much
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  the same thing with different branding.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. In some ways it's good, right, because you can
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  get all these vitamins when have to get a prescription,
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  because we all know the efficacy of vitamins. It's legit.
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  But in other ways, it's like, I read something about Amazon,
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  and this is crazy. If it's true. Is that I
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  think it was like thirty percent of the supplements on
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  Amazon where forgeries. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I think I've seen people put in fake labels and
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  stuff and making it look just like it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, see what to see find out what the number is,
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  and by you know, I don't know how they even
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  determine that number, but it's not zero. And so I
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  stopped buying supplements from him. I buy fucking everything from Amazon,
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  and I stopped buying supplements from them. I would get
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  like pure encapsulation stuff, and I was like, I don't know,
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  I don't know if I'm getting it from the company,
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  So I just buy it from the company.
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  Speaker 3: Now buy it to know it's like pure that good good.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that company, Pure Encapsulations is really good. I have
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  no affiliations with them, but I use their stuff all
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  the time.
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  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people have that question though,
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  Like for me, it's like you just see one hundred
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  brands on Amazon, You're like, well, which one's actually Yeah,
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  because you know it's someone retrash.
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  Speaker 1: You just got to find a company that has like
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  a great history of a bunch of people that have
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  tested their stuff and that use their stuff. And Pure
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  seems to be one of those companies. I mean, there's
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  a I'm just using that name because I use it,
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  but there's a ton of like super legit supplement companies
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  where you know, if you're gonna get ten thousand milligrams
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  of D three, that's exactly what it is. They're just
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  above board. They know what the fuck they're doing. Like
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  everything else. Man, Like you can get the shittiest car
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  in the world, or you can get a fucking Mercedes.
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  You know, they know what they're doing. Well.
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  Speaker 3: You know, people are listening to podcasts like this, We're
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  just kind of like listening to influencers in a way.
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  It's like, oh, Huberman, why trust you? So you have
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  selflements you represent?
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, Huberman is honest and that's the most
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  important thing.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we do now right we're looking into these
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  could be doctors, but these people who we put our
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  trust in. It's like that's kind of like the bar
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  that we're setting for, Like, all right, I'm gonna trust.
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  Speaker 1: You honestly, Like that is everything right and including for yourself,
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  like when everything falls apart, like what happened with Sean
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  after the loss to belall like that the thing in
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  your head, like what it is is what it is? Matt,
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  you know, like Max Hollway says, it is what it is.
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  He always says that it's a beautiful way to look
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  at life. Really it sounds simple, but it is what
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  it is. Like you're not going to change it by
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  freaking out about it. You're not gonna not going to
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  This is what it is. That guy was better than you,
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  So how do you gonna what are you gonna do?
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  How are you gonna improve? What? What did you do
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  mentally that was different? Was there decisions that you made
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  during the fight? Was there something going on? And if
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  you can't be honest with yourself. You're not going to improve,
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  but if you can be honest with yourself, it can
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  make you stronger. Yeah. You know, there's a lot of
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  guys that have gone through losses and came back way
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  more dangerous. And there's other guys that go through losses
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  and there maybe they didn't go through a process like yours,
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  or maybe they had a little some self belief issues
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  already and you know, and they were kind of manifesting
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  themselves before the podcast maybe they were starting to or
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  before the fight rather, maybe they were starting to get
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  imposter syndrome. You know, like some fighters get imposter syndrome.
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  They start winning and they're like, there's no way I
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  can be the champion. Yep, this is crazy.
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  Speaker 3: And there's a governor right, like a governor car that
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  comes up where it's like, all right, I can be
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  successful up to this level, but anything beyond this is
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  not safe.
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  Speaker 1: It's scary. Yeah, it's scary, but.
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  Speaker 3: It's like that that real animalistic, primal part of yourself
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  that comes out and goes. I couldn't even constantly tell
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  you why, but like I can't go there, Like I
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  can't get to that level of success. Im I do
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  I'm going to tear it all down, and we see
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  people do that and everything.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's a it's a weird fear for people that
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  are trying to be successful because they're listening to this
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  and like that doesn't make any sense, Like why would
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  you be It's because the pressure of maintaining it. Especially
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  I think if you came from nothing, because if you
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  came from nothing, that you realize how lucky you are,
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  and you realize that, oh my god, look how successful
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  I am. I'm a world champion now, or in whatever
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  you do in life, and then you start thinking what
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  if I fuck this up? What if I can't keep
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  it up, what if I can't keep it up, what
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  if it all goes away? And what am I gonna do?
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  What am I gonna do? What am I going to do?
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  And you start freaking out. And then if you go
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  on social media, you start reading comments about yourself. So
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  for fighters, that's a real problem. There's a lot of
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  fighters I see arguing with people, fuck you, pussy el
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  smack you, like, don't do that, you are wasting so
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  much energy you I'd rather you do heroin then do Twitter.
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  If you're a fighter, like get off there.
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  Speaker 3: But what we want to do is we want to
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  get to him a place where they matter of fact
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  about what they read, which sounds like almost impossible for
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  a lot of people who are listening right now, Like
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  what do you mean this person's talking about me? But
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  Brady is a matter of fact about this now, Like truthfully,
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  he's wired in a way that whereas someone starts to
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  talk some about him, he can laugh about it. He
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  can just matter of factly and not be emotional about it.
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  Speaker 1: But it's also because he's on a hot wind streak
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  right now. He looks awesome and he's super confident, a
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  lot of momentum on his side.
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  Speaker 3: It's a compounding of the belief from the physical experience
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  and then the belief that we've wired into him. So
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  it's both of those together, right, It's like the perfect
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  perfect confluence of those two factors come together.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, right, and then the confidence that comes from
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  these winds, especially the last one. I mean, god, he
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  looks so good, he looks so dominant, And to do
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  that with a guy like Leon, who you know, we
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  saw those Usman fights, you know, we saw him knockout Usman.
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  He's really good man. And for Sean to do that,
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  it was like, Wow, that's a big turn of the corner.
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  Not just a little turn, just a giant turn of
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  the corner.
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  Speaker 3: But stylistically that was kind of a fight made for Seanlah.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think, well, it could be until you take
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  into consideration the second Kamara Usman fight because Usman couldn't
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  take him down. That fight was primarily a stand up
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  fight because Leon's takedown defense had gotten so good, and
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  I think there was that bump and confidence after the
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  knockout and he really felt like the champion now. So
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  for Blal to just step in and put a stop
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  to all that, and then you know, to see then
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  him lose the title to Jack Della and then see
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  what Sean just did. And you look at the whole thing,
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  You're like, what a crazy shark tank. Of all these killers,
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  Leon Edwards, Balal Mohammad, Della Matalena, now you got Islam
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  Maka Chevin there, and it's like, who can keep it
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  together the most? Is a giant factor? Yeah, it's a
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  giant factor.
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  Speaker 3: I know you don't really fall football, but like this
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  is like the SEC in football, right, it's the Division
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  as Alabama LSU Texas. It's like they're all killers, So
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  any given night, anyone could be anyone, and it's just
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  like who's gonna show up and execute the best And
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  that's what it comes down to.
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  Speaker 1: And then you got Michael Venom Page, who's like the
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  biggest puzzle in the entire sport, Like he's also a
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  one seventy Yeah that guy, good luck, good luck training
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  for that guy, like just good luck, good luck, super
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  tall welterweight who moves like nobody, who is a world
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  point fighting champion, Like that is a totally different thing,
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  that point fighting thing. Have you ever watched that shit?
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  No haven? Okay, Michael Venom Page was at one point
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  in time the best karate point fighters. And the way
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  karate point fighters fight, they stop after one person gets hit.
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  It's kind of like an elite form of tag with
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  lethal weapons. Like these guys are fucking good at these
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  launches forward and blitzes, and they're really good at getting
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  out of the way because guys are blitzing at him
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  all the time. So because of the style of the competition,
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  they developed this very unique skill set of being able
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  to close the distance extremely fast with a lot of
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  a lot of distance in between them and land very
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  unpredictable shots, like he's super creative, and he also knows
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  how to wrestle now, and he also knows jiu jitsu now,
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  So like now he's a mixed martial arts fighter, but
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  he's got this one skill set that's crazy unique. And
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  I always said that's the thing that's missing in MMA
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  because we see what happens when you get like a
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  really elite boxer. We've seen what happens with a really
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  elite kickboxer, a really elite jiu jitsu guy, or a wrestler.
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  We haven't seen really elite point fighter who learns all
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  those other skills because it's a different thing. It's not
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  like like you know, Perira fights. He's not moving around
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  a lot, dude, He's coming right at you. There's not
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  a lot of dancing, and there's not a lot of
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  you know, fucking, and there's not a lot of fanasi
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  san Hagen moves. You know. San Haagen is like constantly
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  giving you different looks and overloading your mind. Pereira is
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  stalking you, right, it's very What MVP is doing is
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  something totally different, Like you can't even touch him. He's
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  he's hitting guys like guys that have like a lot
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  of experience in the UFC. He's hitting him with shots
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  they don't see coming. They can't hit him. Kevin Holland
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  was like, where the fuck is he? I can't even
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  find him. This is nuts. The guy just launches himself
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  out you, pops you, cracks you, and then he's gone,
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  and you're like, Okay, he's moving way faster than anybody
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  you've ever fought before and covers way more distance quicker
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  than anybody you've ever fought before. It's like the difference
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  between someone who uh is like standing in front of
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  people and knocking sticks and an elite fencer. You know,
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  you ever see those elite fencers they dive forward, they
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  dive forward and crack you. This guy can do that
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  with like knockout shots. That's wild beause this is him
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  when he was in elite Karate fighters. So this is
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  point fighting. This is what it looks like. It's really
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  weird because the judges make decisions after each contact. But
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  Raymond Daniels here, this is Raymond Daniels, who's also he
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  was an elite point fighter who then went on and
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  had big success in Glory and also a big success
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  in Bellator because of that style. It's like a nutty style.
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  He pulled off one of the greatest Raymond Daniels pulled
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  off one of the greatest KOs I've ever seen in
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  my life in kickboxing. It was a jumping sidekick that
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  in mid air he turned into a spinning back kick
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  to the faces. I've I've done it to a bag before,
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  I've never done it to a human being. And for
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  him to do it to a human being in Glory,
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  Now see if you find the kickboxing one, it's from
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  Glory that this is the nutty one where he did
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  like a three hundred and sixty degree punch. Watch how
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  crazy this is? You play that because that's what that
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  was what you just had. Watch this punch. So he
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  hits them with the spinning back kick to the body.
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  He lets them get up. Watch this What is that?
• 18:03
  That is bananas?
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  Speaker 3: He like anime. It's like Dragon ball z stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Right. If that was in the kick like Mortal Kombat,
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  like get out of here, bitch, that shit would never work.
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  But I want you to find his his kickboxing ko.
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  I wish I could remember the gentleman he was fighting.
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  But the guy he fought is legit too, and he
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  hit him with a jump sidekick, spinning back kick to
• 18:25
  the face in the air. So it's like, that is
• 18:28
  a different thing, you know. Uncliah's not going to do that.
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  Perira is not going to do that. Like those point
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  Speaker 3: So I know boxing a lot better than I know UFC.
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  I'm just getting more into UFC recently. What where's this
• 20:11
  guy in his career right now?
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: He's really high level in the UFC, He's got to
• 20:17
  be top ten in the welterweight division. But he he
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  shuts people down. Man, he shuts people down in a
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  wild way that you just don't see much. The only
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  person who figured him out was Ian Gary. Ian Gary
• 20:32
  out grappled him. He just got ahold of him and
• 20:34
  grappled him. But watch this jump sidekick. This is this
• 20:37
  is soap bananas, dude, Watch this boom? Isn't that nuts? Shump?
• 20:44
  Sidekick to the body and in mid air turns in
• 20:48
  his spitting back kick to the face. I mean, not
• 20:50
  everybody can do that, but when a guy can do that,
• 20:52
  if you don't know that he can do that, you
• 20:54
  can get fucked up. Like this, Raymond Daniels can do
• 20:58
  some wild shit, man, And again he's pulling it off
• 21:02
  against elite kickboxes. I mean, he had a couple of
• 21:06
  losses where they figured him out, like Joe Baltelini. He's
• 21:09
  the first guy like really brutalized his legs, brutalized his legs.
• 21:13
  He just had a high guard, moved forward and Valzelini's
• 21:15
  like very classic, like hard nosed kickboxer, a lot of
• 21:19
  low kick, strong punches. He just kept breaking down his
• 21:22
  legs to the point where he just couldn't walk and
• 21:24
  then he had kicked him. It's pretty powerful, so that
• 21:27
  style could be figured out. You know, MVP lost in
• 21:32
  he fought Douglas Lima and Bellator and got stopped in
• 21:35
  that fight because dece Douglas was a beast at the
• 21:37
  time and Chaotum. But it's just like that is a
• 21:41
  different puzzle, man, Yeah, it's a different puzzle.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I just love the fact that there's guys like that
• 21:48
  now in this sport where you're looking at this sport
• 21:51
  that's like thirty plus years old now, and there's still
• 21:54
  guys that are complete innovators that are coming in when
• 21:56
  the whole thing's changing. You're like, whoa, Okay, all right, no,
• 22:00
  now we're doing that. Now, we're doing front kicks to
• 22:02
  the face, you know, evolution. Now we're doing calf kicks
• 22:05
  all of a sudden, like Bis Penguin his entire career
• 22:07
  without getting calf kicked. I mean that's nuts. Yeah, when
• 22:11
  you think about it's crazy. That's crazy. He's a world champion,
• 22:14
  went through his entire career, no one calf kicked him.
• 22:18
  That's how weird the sport is. But I think what
• 22:21
  separates the guys is not just technique. It's it's not
• 22:26
  just being a specialist in one very particular area, which
• 22:29
  is obviously a huge factor, but also the mind. And
• 22:33
  a lot of guys don't want to get help in
• 22:36
  that because they think that if they consult a sports
• 22:40
  psychologist through a pussy.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, being vulnerable makes me weak. Yeah right, that's a
• 22:45
  core belief for a lot of guys. And so when
• 22:48
  you believe that to be true. You're not going to
• 22:51
  create weakness within yourself, so you're not going to seek.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: It out exactly.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: And there's also a big stigma around like guys in
• 22:57
  profession like anything. Right, Yeah, there's like a rain to comedians. Right,
• 23:01
  there's arranged people do what I do. There's there's kind
• 23:04
  of pussies who do it in a way. Right, there's
• 23:06
  like people who are very like soft.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Se in touch with your feelings.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like the too far to like the woo
• 23:12
  or too far to like, hey, I'm gonna follow this
• 23:14
  textbook where really this work is it's art at the
• 23:17
  end of the day. What we're doing, it's like it's
• 23:18
  a it's something you feel your way through, and it
• 23:20
  requires years and years of practice to get to any
• 23:24
  level of mastery.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: That's interesting. You're talking about like managing your brain as art.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, because it's it's not just the brains, the
• 23:32
  nervous systems, the whole body's the energy body system. Right,
• 23:35
  So we're talking about you've heard of like meridians, right,
• 23:37
  the run through the body.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: It's not all real chakras. I hear about that, but
• 23:41
  those are things that I hear about and I go, Yeah,
• 23:43
  I wait to talk to somebody about it. As a scientist,
• 23:45
  you could call it whatever you want.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Right, we all feel like everyone feels anxiety right here,
• 23:50
  like in their soul plexus.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you kind of feel in the center of your
• 23:52
  body right right right here.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: This is the patterns I see with all these elite
• 23:57
  guys I'm working with. It's like I can just my
• 24:00
  awareness with them is I can just feel the same
• 24:02
  thing they can feel.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Don't you think that's probably constricted breathing though, Like constricted breathing,
• 24:07
  that's what you'd feel it you feel.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Like I would say constricted breathing is a byproduct of
• 24:12
  like a blockage in their body and they just feel it.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Don't you think it's adrenaline though, it's a giant adrenaline dump.
• 24:18
  And it's also there's an anxiety that comes with that
• 24:20
  if your mind starts spinning out of control. Like do
• 24:23
  you do train? I used to train boxing.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Have you ever done jiu jitsu?
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: I haven't done jiu jitsu.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: One of the things that happens in jiu jitsu when
• 24:30
  guys first get started, like say, if a guy has
• 24:34
  like maybe a distorted idea of how tough he is,
• 24:37
  and he's like a big, strong, muscular guy. There's those
• 24:40
  in particular, for whatever reason, seem to have a real
• 24:44
  problem when they grapple with a really good guy where
• 24:47
  they get pinned down and then they get like side
• 24:49
  controlled and mounted and they start hyperventilating. I've seen it
• 24:52
  like several times from people that have never trained before,
• 24:56
  but the real buff and they maybe have this idea
• 24:58
  of who they are, and that idea is getting shattered. Yeah,
• 25:01
  like just shattered by a guy that doesn't even look impressive,
• 25:04
  you know, but he's just man handling you. And the
• 25:07
  hyperventilating thing, to me seems like a bunch of stuff.
• 25:10
  It's like the battle with reality. This can't be happening.
• 25:13
  Oh my god, this is happening. There's the forgetting to breathe.
• 25:16
  There's the elevated heart rate, there's the dump of adrenaline.
• 25:19
  There's all these different things connected. This is like a.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Domino effect, right, Like the constricted breathing and not being
• 25:27
  able to think clearly. It's all a domino effect. And
• 25:30
  kind of how operate is like the belief is the
• 25:32
  thing that starts a domino, right, sure, and so if
• 25:36
  your belief is being destroyed that moment. That's what creates
• 25:39
  that domino effect of the body and the nervous system
• 25:41
  reacting the way it does. Right, And so belief is
• 25:44
  formed in one of two ways. One is just it's
• 25:47
  formed through life experience. Right like the Goggins of the world.
• 25:50
  He's a very rare person who just builds belief off
• 25:54
  of doing it. Yeah, how many guys are like that?
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: By the way, shout out to my brother David Goggins,
• 25:59
  who just completed the Big Foot two hundred.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Let's go Googgins.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: That dude, That dude has no knees, ladies and gentlemen.
• 26:05
  He's got no knees and he just ran two hundred
• 26:07
  miles through the fucking mountains. What did he do it? In?
• 26:10
  Like sixty hours? It was posted today. Find out what
• 26:16
  his time was. Dude has no knees, Like I don't run,
• 26:20
  my knee's pretty good. Well, that's in comparison.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: I say, that's an example of how belief can actually
• 26:25
  break reality of what's supposed to be possible. Right.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Well, it's certainly broken in the eyes of his doctor.
• 26:31
  His doctor when they first saw his knees because he
• 26:33
  didn't go in for anything for a long time. When
• 26:36
  the doctor first saw his knees, he was like, I
• 26:37
  can't believe you can walk on these legs, forget about
• 26:40
  run thousands of miles, Like this is nuts. He was
• 26:44
  not just bone on bone. His bone was distorting, so
• 26:47
  because it was rubbing bone on bone, it was like
• 26:49
  forming these like little mushroom curves at the end of it.
• 26:53
  It's like it's a type of a there's a name
• 26:56
  for it, like that distortion is called wolf something or another.
• 26:59
  He said. They it's like theoretical, like they've never seen
• 27:02
  it in a person before like this, So.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Like, all right, if that exists, like that could work,
• 27:06
  but it shouldn't like we've never seen it.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe that doctor said it. I should be real clear
• 27:10
  on that because I'm hearing it from David Goggins, you
• 27:12
  know what I'm saying, Yeah, and I'm like, what the
• 27:13
  fuck he's telling me that they told me it can
• 27:15
  never happen before.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: But regardless, he's he's breaking what reality's supposed to be
• 27:20
  in a way. Right when you compare it's like a
• 27:22
  very large sample size.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: He is, David Goggins is as much as you would say,
• 27:28
  this is crazy. He's ruining his body, like he doesn't
• 27:31
  have to do this. That's great, But what he's doing
• 27:34
  is he's carrying a torch for the human will in
• 27:40
  a way that very few people have ever done it
• 27:42
  because he's doing it publicly. He's doing it publicly, and
• 27:44
  that's why I think it's so important and why I
• 27:46
  talk about it all the time about how nuts it is.
• 27:49
  This guy has no fucking knees and he's operating this way.
• 27:53
  So what does it say total? I don't know how
• 27:55
  they track it, but he was moving for a total
• 27:58
  time of two days, one hour in seven minutes. Oh
• 28:01
  so he did it in two days? I thought I
• 28:03
  saw online total it took three days total.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: The twenty hours of stop time that's like your rest time.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Oh right, I don't know what.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: It says A listed here, which would be the race tracking.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Mmm. It says when he started and when he finished?
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Right he says he's finished.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Doesn't say what time? Oh is this all off the
• 28:21
  website or is this track? Leaders? What place did he
• 28:24
  come in? Ninety third? He's also fifty. I mean, he's
• 28:29
  a freak dude. But he's like carrying this torch for
• 28:32
  you might not want to do what he's doing. I
• 28:34
  wouldn't do what he's doing. But I'm saying it's kind
• 28:36
  of crazy that this guy can, at fifty years old,
• 28:39
  can have these endurance workouts with world class MMA fighters
• 28:43
  like Israel Outasnia and he's got is he throwing up
• 28:45
  in a bucket and he's not even breathing heavy And
• 28:49
  he does like multiple of those workouts a day in silence.
• 28:54
  He doesn't listen to music, No one is telling him
• 28:57
  to do it. He's got no coach like he he's
• 29:00
  oh there, man, he's just.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Like you said, he's just built that through pure will power. Yes,
• 29:06
  I would say most people, almost everyone else in the road,
• 29:10
  they don't have the ability to build that level of
• 29:13
  belief through their willpower.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they don't have the ability, but
• 29:16
  they don't do it. But if they don't do he
• 29:19
  was twenty third ninety three. Oh no shit, that's amazing.
• 29:24
  Twenty third place, fifty years old, No knees crazy. What
• 29:32
  a monster? What a monster? Imagine that guy was after you, like,
• 29:35
  what a monster. It's just it's beautiful. It's like a
• 29:40
  beautiful expression of will, because that's all it is. It's
• 29:43
  just the will to go on, you know, and the
• 29:45
  discipline to continue to train like that every day and
• 29:49
  then every time you test your will, you push it further.
• 29:51
  He's like, I'm in the lab every day.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Like he's literally learning more about himself while he's doing this.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: So why do you think I think, you know, millions
• 30:01
  of people read his book, and then such a small
• 30:03
  percentage of people can kind of replicate that example he's setting.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think you want to replicate.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: It, not to his but to a degree, right, I
• 30:11
  think it accelitely.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it moves your what your water line is, right,
• 30:16
  It moves what you expect out of yourself, moves that
• 30:19
  up a few notch just because you know a guy
• 30:21
  like that's out there. If you didn't think a guy
• 30:22
  like that's out there, and you worked out at the
• 30:24
  Why three days a week and no one else did,
• 30:26
  you probably be impressed with yourself. You know, I'm with
• 30:28
  that fucking Why three days a week using the Nautilus machine.
• 30:31
  You know, it's all on who you're comparing yourself to.
• 30:35
  And you know, obviously I can't compare to David Goggins.
• 30:38
  But when I when I know that a guy like
• 30:39
  that is out there in the world. It raises my
• 30:41
  own personal standard up a notch. I don't ever, I'm
• 30:44
  never going to hit where what he does. I don't
• 30:46
  have the time. He's working out four or five hours
• 30:49
  every day. It's crazy. I don't have that commitment either.
• 30:52
  It's not what I'm interested in, but him doing that
• 30:56
  has like raised mind. When I look at like Jocko's
• 30:59
  Instagram and every day it says four point thirty on
• 31:01
  his TIMEX. He like shows his you know, he's got
• 31:04
  one of those what is that watch called what's that
• 31:08
  watch that he has that everybody wears, the digital time
• 31:11
  X watch. It's a famous classic Iron Man that's it, right,
• 31:17
  is the Iron Man?
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this fucking bulletproof watch. Of course, that's what he wears,
• 31:22
  like four h nine am. That's when he gets up
• 31:24
  to work out every day.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: But guys like that, Guys like you, You guys are dogs, right,
• 31:29
  you want it, You get inspired by that. Some people
• 31:31
  they just feel deflated when they see that level, right, They're.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Just like, ah, that's no man, you gotta embrace it.
• 31:38
  It is deflating because you're so far from the finish line.
• 31:43
  It's deflating, you know.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: But that's why there there are fundamental ways to actually
• 31:47
  build belief within yourself, Like there's steps to do it.
• 31:52
  And that's what really I want to drive home for
• 31:53
  anyone who's listening to this, is that you can build
• 31:56
  belief and it's not just banging your head against the wall.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I believe you. I'm sure there's systems to it. That's
• 32:04
  why I really wanted to talk to you. But the
• 32:08
  whole idea of the Meridians, Like, how does that factor
• 32:10
  into it with you? Like how do you what do
• 32:13
  you hang on this idea of like Meridians in the body?
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'll talk about how I came to know them. Right,
• 32:19
  I was playing football and walking this self in my
• 32:22
  shop looking for my next pro homone.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Oh that's right, I interrupted you right there. Oh good bro.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: When we came back circle, we kept back.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Here we go like we needed to.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: So two hundred and thirty pound, five foot three dude
• 32:32
  in there just jacked and I'm like, hey, what pro
• 32:36
  homos you have? And he looks at me. He's like,
• 32:38
  you know, he's very like zen type of dude, and
• 32:41
  he's like, what do you want it? And I was
• 32:43
  like I'm trying to get on the football field, Like
• 32:45
  what else could I do? In my meat head? Like
• 32:47
  I need to get stronger. It's the only thing I
• 32:48
  can do. And then he's like, say, how do you feel?
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Like? How do I feel? Like?
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: This is me eighteen years old, atheist, don't believe in anything,
• 32:57
  biggest skeptic you're ever going to meet in your life.
• 32:59
  And he's like, I want you to try this exercise
• 33:01
  and he has me just look off into the peripheries
• 33:03
  of my eyes.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: How long have you known this guy? By that?
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Literally meeting him and he just starts going in on me.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Do you think he was trying to have
• 33:11
  sex with you or anything?
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Well, we can get into that.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: It's just an odd thing to go. How do you
• 33:19
  feel like? Whoa trying to get jacked? Yeah?
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Well he's just that type of dude. So I call
• 33:24
  him like a sense they now because I've you know,
• 33:26
  I'm still yeah yeah, no, no, so I'm still so just
• 33:28
  a weird guy.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: He's a weird guy, super weird. A lot of guys
• 33:30
  would have their hackles up though, like what how do
• 33:32
  I feel like? Oh?
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: No, first I was like the fuck, you know, look
• 33:35
  at that creating.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Bro, Yeah, you know what I mean, like that the
• 33:39
  insecure posturing up.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, trying to fuck me. But no, he
• 33:45
  just made everything feel approachable to eighteen year old meathead.
• 33:48
  So he started teaching me these breathing techniques like for meditation.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: And he worked at a supplement store.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: He was working there at the time. He was he
• 33:54
  was studying for his neuroscience degree out of college.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Wow, he masters what a like fortuitous coincidence? Yes, to
• 34:01
  run into a dude like that way trying to get jacked.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: That's life, right, right, It is kind of.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Right, Like think about it. You're looking for like the
• 34:07
  full meathead path and you run into a guy's Like,
• 34:10
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• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: What? Mofucker? I don't feel nothing, Bro, I didn't though.
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  Speaker 3: Because nobody goes talking about anxiety back then, you know,
• 35:41
  I had crazy performance anxiety. I didn't know that was
• 35:43
  a thing. I was just like yeah, I was like,
• 35:45
  I don't feel good. I don't know what do you mean?
• 35:47
  Like nobody's talking about their emotions. Yeah, And so he
• 35:50
  just started teaching me breathing techniques. He taught me up
• 35:53
  with the Meridians, very simple ones that he's like, okay,
• 35:55
  visualized breathing energy in. This is martial arts stuff, right,
• 35:58
  so much has to do with breathing. He was into
• 36:00
  martial arts as well. He'd be like, all right, I
• 36:02
  want you to imagine breathing up your governing writing and
• 36:05
  your central mariting, which is like writing your spinal cord
• 36:07
  and up to center aline in your body's all right,
• 36:09
  breathe in deeply here. How do you feel? I was like, oh,
• 36:12
  I just feel more confident. I feel stronger. So he
• 36:15
  started just teaching me how to do simple stuff like
• 36:16
  that and then bring it onto like the football field.
• 36:19
  I was a d lineman and so I needed to
• 36:20
  knock people over, same thing as martial arts, right. I
• 36:23
  needed to feel grounded, so I needed to connect to
• 36:25
  my root chakra, which is you can call it whatever
• 36:27
  you want, I don't care, but it's like the root
• 36:30
  part of your boy, the primal you know, ballsack area
• 36:32
  down there, the goochs that if you can start to
• 36:35
  breathe into that area of your body, you will feel
• 36:37
  more grounded, and you can actually become more grounded. So
• 36:39
  I started using these techniques just to play football, and
• 36:42
  by doing so, I was like, I don't really care
• 36:44
  about studying the system super in depth, but I was
• 36:47
  just taking the tools that were useful to me, like
• 36:50
  literally use these and use them to get stronger, like
• 36:53
  to bench press more. It was just breathing techniques along
• 36:56
  with visualization, and they're just following this ancient medicine.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: How did breathing techniques help your bench.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: So there's some breathing techniques. I'm sure you're doing martial
• 37:06
  arts right. You put your tongue behind your teeth, you
• 37:09
  can start to breathe in deeply, and if you start
• 37:13
  to visualize, bring an energy down through the crown of
• 37:15
  your head and the meeting a kind of like in
• 37:17
  the just below your belly button there, you can just
• 37:20
  start to build more energy, more power. You're just focusing
• 37:23
  energy that's all you're doing. And then if you visualize
• 37:26
  yourself lifting the weight, you're.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Gonna lift it heavier, and so how much heavier.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: There's a bunch of research. You could look up tons
• 37:33
  of different strength based task studies that show that visualization
• 37:37
  increases strength, like for example, So.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: That's just kind of a kind of visualization. You think
• 37:42
  that breathing exercise.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: I was just stacking what was known as like basic
• 37:46
  pet lap imagery P E T T L E P
• 37:49
  imagery along with these breathing techniques and visualizing a specific way.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought that when they say visualization helps performance,
• 37:58
  I thought it was like long term. I didn't think
• 38:00
  it was like right before they did a thing. I thought,
• 38:04
  I think it's both like part of training.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: I think, okay, so there's two types, right, So there's like,
• 38:09
  for example, there's literally a study you could look up
• 38:11
  and it's like a bicep curl that did the study.
• 38:14
  There's four different groups. The first group just didn't do anything,
• 38:17
  second group just did bicep physical curl. The third group
• 38:20
  did bicep curl plus visualization of doing curls. The fourth
• 38:25
  group did just visualization. The group that did the just
• 38:29
  a bicep curl in the group that did just the
• 38:31
  visualization performed the same, They had the same increase in strength,
• 38:35
  and the group that performed the best was the one
• 38:37
  that did the visualization plus the bicep curl. Interesting, and
• 38:41
  so there's a bunch of studies like that that just
• 38:43
  show how when you just stack these different tools together,
• 38:45
  they can be beneficial, yes, in the short term, for
• 38:48
  like a fighter, for example, like this is what I'm
• 38:50
  training my guys when we go into fight camp every
• 38:52
  single time. We're just training the subconscious to be comfortable
• 38:56
  being in the setting and just training the subconscious mind, right,
• 39:00
  We're just wiring, just digging in those grooves of like
• 39:03
  this is what's going to feel like, this is going
• 39:05
  to be the experience, and just wiring it in the
• 39:07
  way of having success. And then what I do is
• 39:10
  I notice, I'm like, how do you feel? How do
• 39:12
  you feel?
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: How do you feel?
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: As we go along here, it's like, oh, there's doubt
• 39:15
  that's coming up. Boom, let's go in there. Let's get
• 39:17
  rid of that. And it's not an intellectual thing to
• 39:19
  remove doubt. It's a feeling thing in the body. And honestly,
• 39:22
  I don't care what we call it, we call it
• 39:24
  in the shakra, we call it just feeling in the body,
• 39:26
  and say, all right, I feel doubt coming up right
• 39:29
  now in this point in fight. Why well, I have
• 39:32
  this memory that's created the scar tissue within my nervous
• 39:35
  system right now because it's happened for that, I believe
• 39:37
  if I try to do this, then something bad's going
• 39:40
  to happen when to lose a fight, right, So we
• 39:42
  need to actually accept that, right zen probable what I
• 39:44
  can't accept won't change. So you use these breathing techniques
• 39:47
  to accept your way through it. The body kind of
• 39:50
  relaxes through it, and then we let it go and
• 39:53
  then we choose the opposite belief. And that's balchemy of
• 39:56
  the process.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Do you know how many people are involved in the
• 39:59
  study that should that the visualization right before the performance
• 40:02
  was better. Jamie's a different one. This is about different ones.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Hip flexers interesting, there's a bunch of them out there though.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Study whether mental training alone can produce a gain in
• 40:11
  muscular strength thirty male university athletes, including football, basketball, and
• 40:15
  rugby players, were randomly assigned to perform mental training of
• 40:18
  their hip flexor muscles to use weight machines to physically
• 40:22
  exercise their hip flexers, or to form a control group
• 40:25
  which received neither mental nor physical training. The hip strength
• 40:28
  of each group was measured before and after training. Physical
• 40:31
  strength was increased by twenty four percent through mental practice.
• 40:37
  Strength was also increased through physical training by twenty eight percent,
• 40:40
  but did not change significantly in the control condition. Whatever
• 40:44
  that means. What?
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: It doesn't means that people who didn't do anything, they
• 40:46
  didn't visualize and they didn't.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Oh in the control group. Yeah, okay, I'll get it.
• 40:52
  I thought they were saying a different thing. The strength
• 40:55
  game was greatest amongst football players given mental training. Mental
• 40:59
  and physical training produced similar decreases in heart rate, and
• 41:02
  both yielded a marginal reduction in systolic blood pressure. The
• 41:07
  result support the related findings of whoever that is that
• 41:10
  giant name interesting, very interesting. So it definitely has an effect,
• 41:15
  and it seems like it definitely has a positive effect
• 41:19
  right before you're performing any kind of athletics.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think these studies are over like at
• 41:25
  least a six week period of time. So if you
• 41:27
  want to see like strength based tasks improve over time,
• 41:31
  like they're incrementally getting strong right, it's not just then
• 41:34
  they're kind of maintaining that sting. I imagine as long
• 41:36
  as they continue to do the visualization.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder you know. That's the thing is, like
• 41:42
  most people that go to the gym, like most people
• 41:43
  who are listening to this of regular jobs, if they
• 41:45
  go to the gym, they don't go visualize.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is pea performance stuff we're talking about. Yeah,
• 41:51
  this is pro elite.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Don't you if you're trying to get better, like what
• 41:55
  way you want to get better? This is good for
• 41:58
  you too. Yeah, I know it sucks. You don't want
• 42:01
  to visualize your your kettlebell routines and visualize your muscles
• 42:04
  growing afterwards, but it might be worth it.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Go.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I'd like to hear from some people that try it,
• 42:08
  because if that kind of results, that's pretty crazy. That's
• 42:11
  pretty nutty.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: So like like I'm saying, like I did this stuff
• 42:14
  and then I actually abandoned my football career because I
• 42:17
  liked this so much, and I went on and did research.
• 42:19
  I got a research grant just to look at the
• 42:21
  effect of using some of these techniques on bench press
• 42:23
  and performance and also decreasing anxiety. Because for me, I
• 42:27
  realized when I was eighteen nineteen, I had crazy anxiety.
• 42:29
  I was like, all right, this stuff is helping, you know,
• 42:32
  calling meditation, hypnosis, whatever you mean. If you can progressfully
• 42:36
  relax yourself right sitting in a flow tank, right, If
• 42:38
  you can just do that, if you can progressively relax yourself,
• 42:41
  your anxiety is going to go down, Your cortisol levels
• 42:43
  are going to go down. The whole body's going to thrive.
• 42:46
  And this is actually like connected to so much that's
• 42:48
  to do with our health. Kind of come a full circle.
• 42:50
  Is I see so much other professional athletes come to
• 42:54
  me with these injuries, the physical therapists working on it,
• 42:56
  working on it, working on it. Nothing's happening. It's just
• 42:59
  a nagging in every single time. If I can relax
• 43:02
  them enough and I can get to the root emotional
• 43:04
  core of whatever's creating this pain for them, and it's
• 43:08
  usually emotional, it's actually like a memory or some kind
• 43:12
  of mentional bok. Like the governor is coming in, right,
• 43:15
  I'll see it with some guys in like the lower
• 43:17
  minor leagues. He's trying to go to the major leagues,
• 43:19
  and it's like these things will just start to express
• 43:21
  themselves when they're just about to get to that next level.
• 43:24
  And if we can move through the emotional side of it,
• 43:27
  the pain disappears, right, But.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Not in all injuries, right, Like there's got to be
• 43:32
  like legitimate injuries where guys blow their meniscus, ount guys
• 43:36
  have broken shin bones.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: I have to be reconstructed, stuff that can't be explained,
• 43:41
  like a lot of times, right, you go to the
• 43:42
  doctor like I don't know what your issue is, right,
• 43:44
  That happens all the time.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, well that's a different thing. I mean, the realities
• 43:48
  of physical injuries that guys get from combat sports training
• 43:51
  are real. If you have bulging discs in your neck
• 43:53
  and your arm goes numb, that's it's a real problem. Yeah,
• 43:57
  you know, it's not just an emotional thing.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Almost speaking about things that are like nagging and you're
• 44:02
  doing the physical therapy and it's not working.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Right, Okay, if that's you, then so yeah, we got
• 44:07
  to be specific, right, So you're talking about like weird
• 44:10
  stuff that does come up where they're almost like psychosomatic
• 44:12
  injuries because guys are responding badly to the pressure, and.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Not even just the pressure. It could just be it
• 44:21
  could be an injury that existed before, but it's just
• 44:23
  not healing. For whatever reason, it's not healing and it's
• 44:26
  just kind of recurring.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: If you can get to the.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Emotional Rudle keeps that I have phone with this now.
• 44:31
  I always look up whenever someone tells me their injury.
• 44:33
  I just look at the chat GPT. What is a
• 44:34
  spiritual emotional connection to this injury? And it's usually right
• 44:38
  on point. I'll be like, what do you think about this?
• 44:40
  They're like, oh, yeah.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: That's spiritual emotional connection to but not to like legit
• 44:45
  injuries like a broken hand. Yeah, I mean you know
• 44:48
  what I mean. Yeah, for sure, like someone breaks their hand,
• 44:51
  they gotta get screws and plates in there. Sure, yeah,
• 44:55
  that's not you can't look that up on chat GPT.
• 44:57
  Yeah he broke his fucking hand.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: I'll give you an example. Well, like I have so
• 45:00
  many of these, right. It might be like someone has
• 45:02
  like a hamstring that just nagging. Right, A lot of
• 45:06
  athletes like I pop my hamstring and just won't feel
• 45:09
  normal again.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: I look that type of stuff up. It's like, all right, well,
• 45:12
  why is this going away? I work with like pictures
• 45:15
  in Major League Baseball. It's like my hip. It's like, well,
• 45:18
  why is this coming up now? And use there's always
• 45:20
  like some kind of route and if we can get
• 45:22
  to it, we can relieve it.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: I bet there's a lot of guys too that have
• 45:26
  If you think about making a living with your body,
• 45:28
  you make a living in a sport with your body
• 45:31
  where you're putting your body through explosive movements that could
• 45:34
  blow joints out, So there's always this anxiety. Yes, it
• 45:36
  all could go away, Yes, one twist of the ankle,
• 45:40
  one blowout. I mean, look at people all the time
• 45:45
  lose their careers in football and in martial arts because
• 45:48
  they blow a knee out or they blow their back apart.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: But there's only like ten core beliefs that create fear
• 45:53
  in athletes I've seen, Like there's not that many. And
• 45:56
  one of them is the one you're pointing out right.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Now, is like life changing injuries. Will you know?
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: The core is like will I be able to sustain
• 46:02
  this or will be able to continue to do the
• 46:03
  thing that I love?
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: And of course like yeah, if you get injured, then
• 46:07
  you're gonna lose at all.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Did you ever talk to Widman after he broke his leg?
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: I did?
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Did you I did. Yeah, does he openly talk about that?
• 46:14
  Are we allowed to talk about this? Yeah?
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: I mean he gave me a testimonial, so I think
• 46:18
  he's okay. It's pretty open.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: He gave him like online so he could talk about it.
• 46:22
  He put like a video testimony as one of the
• 46:24
  toughest guys it's ever fought in the UFC. He's an
• 46:27
  animal and that guy in his prime was fucking terrifying. Yeah,
• 46:31
  but that injury that he got is one of the
• 46:35
  absolute hardest injuries to recover from that broken leg. When
• 46:40
  they break their shin in half like that, very few
• 46:43
  people ever come back. Yeah. I mean there's one guy
• 46:46
  I believe that's a heavyweight in Bellatore. It happened to him,
• 46:49
  and he's fighting again and fighting well. I don't know
• 46:52
  his name, see if he can find his name. But
• 46:54
  Anderson was never the same after his tyrone. Spong was
• 46:58
  never the same after his Wideman was never the same
• 47:01
  after his. It's just and psychologically, it's got to be
• 47:05
  fucking crazy to think that you threw a super powerful
• 47:09
  kick that broke your own leg in half, and now
• 47:12
  you're expected you went through a year and a half
• 47:14
  of hell to try to just get to the point
• 47:17
  where you can hit pads again. Yeah, and now you're
• 47:20
  gonna go risk it again, might kick someone's knee again
• 47:23
  and break your shin again and do that again, and
• 47:25
  then you can't walk again.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: What we're talking about is like that just so it
• 47:29
  could be a physical scar tissue, it's that emotional scar tissue,
• 47:32
  you know. It's just like it's hard for those thoughts
• 47:34
  not to come back into your head of like I
• 47:36
  need to be extra careful here.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Well the reasonable thoughts, yeah, you know, if you think
• 47:40
  about it. But it's like Chris had that style. Well,
• 47:43
  I mean that the kick that he threw in your
• 47:45
  Rye Hall was full blast. I mean he fucking ripped
• 47:49
  that kick. And then when I heard that snap. I've
• 47:54
  heard that snap a couple of times, and it is
• 47:55
  the most horrible sound. Man. The sound of a bone breaking,
• 47:59
  like a person's bone breaking, is like fuck. It gets you,
• 48:05
  like in every cell in your body. You're like, God, damn,
• 48:08
  that's awful. I've seen it a bunch. I've seen it
• 48:13
  at least half a dozen times. I've seen people get
• 48:17
  a bone broken.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's traumatizing.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to come back from that is very hard, because
• 48:23
  we're talking about the anxiety of always worrying about getting injured,
• 48:26
  and then you get injured from maybe a kick you
• 48:28
  through or Tim Silvia Frank Meir Frank Meher broke his arm,
• 48:32
  or Frank Mier Minataro a spiral fracture from that Kimora.
• 48:36
  Like fuck. Coming back from something like that is really hard.
• 48:42
  But what do you do for a fighter when you're
• 48:45
  trying to rebuild them? Do you do? You take each
• 48:48
  fighter as a unique project, and you just want to
• 48:52
  know everything about them, and you know what bothers them
• 48:56
  about themselves, what bothers them about their discipline. So how
• 49:00
  do you do it?
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna explain what I do. It's gonna sound woo woo,
• 49:03
  but I also want to contextualize it with the fact that, like,
• 49:06
  I didn't believe in anything like it's just just my
• 49:09
  experience of like doing this stuff for seventeen years now
• 49:11
  and just seeing and feeling my way into this art
• 49:15
  that now I speak about things that the old me
• 49:17
  fifteen years ago, twenty years ago will be.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Like shut the fuck up, right.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: But so what I do with any of my clients
• 49:24
  is I bring them to a very relaxed state, you know,
• 49:27
  like think of custody to model what do you do
• 49:28
  with Mike Tyson? Like, That's what I'm doing with these guys, right,
• 49:31
  So I'm bringing them almost into a hypnotic state, and
• 49:33
  I'm bringing them down into this place where they finally
• 49:36
  let go. They're no longer trying to like keep me out, defend,
• 49:39
  keep up this like identity they want to project into
• 49:42
  the world so they can actually get to the insecurities
• 49:45
  because I don't touch any of the beliefs that are
• 49:48
  working for them. If someone as positive believes or successful,
• 49:50
  I don't touch any of that stuff. All I'm trying
• 49:53
  to find is their insecurity, their fear, their anxiety, their doubts,
• 49:57
  And so I'm just digging deeper and deeper into their
• 49:59
  body until we start to like think about things they
• 50:02
  want to achieve. It's like, ooh, what was twitchy there?
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Something twitches in them. It's like I'm feeling like I'm
• 50:08
  getting angry. Now, why are you getting angry? Right? Why
• 50:10
  do we get angry? It's because we're afraid and we're
• 50:12
  trying to defend ourselves. And so if I find something
• 50:15
  like that, I feel into it with them. And then
• 50:17
  I ask him, I'm like, what would what do you
• 50:19
  believe and be true that make you feel this way
• 50:21
  right now? And if I sit there along to hold
• 50:24
  him in that tension, it'll eventually come up and through
• 50:27
  that we can release that belief. We can accept our
• 50:30
  way through it. First, we can release it and we
• 50:32
  can reprogram it.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: How are you setting this up? Is this actual hypnosis?
• 50:36
  Are you doing like hypnotic techniques?
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And how did you learn how to do that?
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Same guy? Sense sense?
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Does he have a cult? Do you have a cult
• 50:47
  that we could join? O? One of one? So this
• 50:50
  guy taught you hypnosis techniques as well?
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he taught me a lot of different things hypnosis, NLP,
• 50:57
  timeline therapy. And then I didn't go on and get
• 50:59
  a second degree, so I studied that. I created my
• 51:02
  own degree. I went to Liberal Arts School in LA
• 51:04
  the mental aspect of human performance. But everything I was
• 51:07
  learning that was helping me and my teammates, I was
• 51:09
  learning outside of school. So I was like, I'm not
• 51:11
  going to go get spend two hundred thousand dollars in
• 51:12
  getting a secondary degree when I'm learning everything else outside
• 51:16
  of school. So I've just continued to go to workshops,
• 51:20
  learn study with different people who know how to do
• 51:22
  different techniques, and that's how I learned very kinesthetically, in
• 51:25
  the same way that if you're doing martial arts, you're
• 51:27
  just trying to go to as many mass you can.
• 51:29
  This guy jiu jitsu, this guy kickboxing. That's just what
• 51:31
  I've done. I've gone and tried to find different people
• 51:34
  who are really good at what they do, and that's
• 51:36
  how I learned through doing and actually experiencing the work
• 51:38
  of myself. First, if it works for me, then I
• 51:41
  try on my clients it works for them, I just
• 51:42
  keep it going and I just I don't have one technique.
• 51:45
  I use many different techniques. Whatever the moment calls for.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: That's what I use. Are there even degrees that you
• 51:52
  could get in human performance that would sort of match
• 51:55
  the kind of studying that you're doing. Is there anything
• 51:58
  like if you went to a major universe, do they
• 52:01
  consider human mental performance and human performance whether it's in
• 52:05
  athletics or chess or anything like that where you have
• 52:07
  to really think through things and deal with pressure. Do
• 52:10
  they consider that a discipline? Is that something that they study?
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: I think sports psychology, I think.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: You can do it, doesn't. That sounds very rudimentary. It
• 52:21
  is like sports psychology versus human performance. When you think
• 52:24
  about this conversation that you and I are having, we're
• 52:27
  one of the things that we're talking about is how
• 52:29
  important it is to have a mindset that allows you
• 52:35
  to work your way through difficulties and become successful at
• 52:39
  a thing and just get out of your own way.
• 52:42
  Everybody wants to do that. So if that's a real thing,
• 52:46
  why wouldn't that be taught in every major university.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: They won't lay smoke the tote of school, that's what.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: But they don't have to specifically advocate for it. But
• 52:59
  the kids are going to do it anyway. But what's
• 53:01
  important is that they should recognize that this is a thing. Yeah, like,
• 53:05
  if it's a thing, if we all agree, and I
• 53:07
  bet any competitive athlete in any sport has experienced anxiety.
• 53:11
  And you've had days where you felt amazing and you
• 53:14
  performed amazing, and then you've had days where you doubt
• 53:17
  it yourself and you fucked up and you drop the
• 53:19
  ball or whatever you did. There's this weird battle that
• 53:23
  goes on in the head, and it's all It has
• 53:26
  a giant result whatever's going on in your head and
• 53:28
  how you perform.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Yes, And you always talk about where do ideas come from? Right, Like,
• 53:33
  where do they magically come from? I don't know where
• 53:36
  they come from exactly, but I know how they're getting filtered.
• 53:39
  And it's just through the beliefs, because our belief system deletes, distorts,
• 53:42
  and generalizes information. And the fact that nobody, not nobody,
• 53:46
  but many people don't understand how that filtration works just
• 53:51
  limits so many of us from achieving what we want
• 53:53
  because we're literally, like you all know, like the girl
• 53:56
  who is like dated and asshole, and she's like all
• 53:57
  men are assholes, right, she's deleting story in generalizing like
• 54:01
  her best friend who's married to an incredible guy. Right.
• 54:04
  But when you believe something, you literally shape the world
• 54:07
  to make it match it.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you kind of do. Yeah, And if you
• 54:13
  believe bad things, bad things.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: You know one hundred percent, there's millions of pieces of
• 54:17
  information that you can see, smell, taste, a touch in
• 54:19
  any moment. There's so much sensory information we can only
• 54:22
  pick up on a few in our conscious mind any moments.
• 54:24
  So that's where the ideas come from.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I also think it's interactive more than we like to admit.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: Tell me about that.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think you can manifest your own reality, but
• 54:36
  I think you have a part in the process, and
• 54:40
  the thinking part about and the visual not necessarily visualizing,
• 54:44
  but staying on a path. There's there's an element that's
• 54:49
  going on there that's affecting reality itself. It's there's there's
• 54:54
  a weird exchange of energy between human beings and between
• 54:58
  reality itself that I don't think we've figured out how
• 55:01
  to measure. I don't think it's as simple as you know.
• 55:05
  Life is a series of events and it all takes
• 55:07
  place randomly, and good luck Tuma.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: The synchronicities are undeniable.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some stuff that's weird. There's some stuff that's
• 55:15
  weird that makes me think, without going full woo woo,
• 55:18
  maybe we just don't have a grasp of the full
• 55:22
  spectrum of all the things that are happening, of all
• 55:25
  the factors at play, and how many of them have
• 55:28
  to deal with you know, we would air quote energy. Yes,
• 55:31
  you know, that's where the wo woo comes in.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Here's how I appeal to my rational mind to make
• 55:35
  this make sense. Right, So I think about beliefs are
• 55:39
  like the code of our mind that's constantly filtering in
• 55:42
  the information. All this code does is determine how I'm
• 55:46
  going to feel, and that feeling is gonna either gonna
• 55:48
  make me want to go towards something or pull away
• 55:50
  from it.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: So I just want my beliefs to push me or
• 55:54
  pull me towards the things that I want because it's
• 55:56
  gonna lead to me behaving in a way that gets
• 55:58
  to an outcome.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, what blows that? Yeah, well that's logical. But everybody's
• 56:05
  starting from a different place, right, So there's some people
• 56:08
  that are starting from a devastating place of a lack
• 56:11
  of self belief. Yes, and for those it's just gonna
• 56:13
  be a longer journey to get to some sort of
• 56:17
  positive outcome. But a lot of people just don't know
• 56:21
  how to begin the first steps like they want to. Like,
• 56:24
  if you just have like no confidence, you feel like shit,
• 56:26
  You feel like every day is garbage everywhere you go.
• 56:29
  You think, oh my god, everyone's gonna hate me. There's
• 56:31
  a lot of people that walk through life like that.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: You want the first step?
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: What's the first step?
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: It?
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: So awareness? Awareness?
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, set an alarm on your phone, every three hours,
• 56:38
  just to ask yourself, how do you feel?
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: But you feel like shit every hour on the hour,
• 56:42
  like I feel.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: But you got to sit in that, right, because most
• 56:44
  people cut themselves off at like the head and they
• 56:47
  just stay in the thoughts then negative thoughts, but they
• 56:49
  don't actually go into the feeling. So that's step one, okay,
• 56:53
  just to sit in the ship pit of full awareness
• 56:56
  of all the feelings. Then from there setting the alarm
• 56:59
  for the week that go, okay, feel what's coming up,
• 57:03
  and then ask yourself what were you focused on. Then
• 57:05
  you can start to take some kind of ownership over
• 57:07
  like where are those thoughts coming from? How is my
• 57:09
  focus creating the way that I feel?
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: And you can start to start you can start to
• 57:14
  see your beliefs by connecting those dots of like, all right,
• 57:17
  why is that making me feel angry? So you have
• 57:19
  to feel first and then notice what you're focusing on,
• 57:22
  and then you start to come into this feeling of
• 57:24
  all right, well, I'm seeing it right. It's the four
• 57:27
  stages of learning. You're getting to this place of conscious
• 57:30
  and competence. I see that I make I feel bad.
• 57:32
  I don't know how I'm doing it, and then you
• 57:34
  can go, Okay, what if I started to flip the
• 57:36
  focus and I started to build that muscle. Because this
• 57:39
  is the way I think about the mind and all
• 57:41
  these things, is it's a muscle, just like the body.
• 57:43
  You can start to train it. Your mind just picks
• 57:45
  up on these patterns of repetition, just like striking back.
• 57:49
  Just like anything else. If you do something over and
• 57:51
  over again, right, you say the same things yourself over
• 57:53
  and over again, the repetition starts to make its way
• 57:55
  down to the subconscious level.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Well, Huberman talked about that that area of the brain
• 58:00
  that actually grows larger when you do things you don't
• 58:03
  want to do and you build discipline. So it really
• 58:05
  is like a muscle.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: So you don't want to focus on the thing that
• 58:08
  is good for you because it feels like, oh yucky.
• 58:11
  It's like I'm lying to myself. But that's the exercise,
• 58:14
  just flipping. Just continue to flip it.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: But for some people they don't know how to get
• 58:18
  started with these thoughts, like without hiring a coach. Well,
• 58:24
  I mean, is do you have it laid out? Yeah?
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, is a literally playbook? Just do everything in the
• 58:30
  second half of the buck.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: What I'm getting to this is though, Like, you know,
• 58:34
  you're dealing with a guy like Sean Brady, He's already
• 58:36
  tough as fuck. He's already a you know, elite mma fighter.
• 58:40
  He has this loss, but he's already a beast of
• 58:42
  a human being. When you're dealing with people that don't
• 58:45
  have any athletic background and you know, maybe they just
• 58:47
  have a job and they just have no fucking confidence
• 58:50
  when they're sick of it, they're sick of like living
• 58:52
  life in this anxiety pit of despair and they want
• 58:56
  to find a way out. There's got to be like
• 58:58
  multiple different things that have to happen, right, So it's
• 59:01
  not just the way you think, but there's also like actions,
• 59:05
  and I think.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: This is an action right step into awareness, yes, feel it.
• 59:11
  The next set of actions the next week, step into
• 59:13
  awareness of what you're feeling and what are you focusing
• 59:15
  on that makes you feel the way. That's another set
• 59:17
  of actions.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: But do you feel like this is all possible for
• 59:20
  someone to achieve without some kind of physical exercise in
• 59:25
  coordination with it, because it seems like, as you're talking
• 59:29
  about it feels it seems to me that people with
• 59:31
  depression in particular like One of the best cures for
• 59:34
  depression is regular exercise, any kind of exercise, whether it's
• 59:38
  you know, fucking go jog around the lake, whatever you
• 59:41
  want to do.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: Well, Listen, even before any of this is low hanging fruits.
• 59:44
  Like in the book I take It, I have people
• 59:46
  do an intake of their life, and I have them
• 59:47
  also kind of just look at all the low hanging
• 59:50
  fruit of like, if you're drinking vodka bottles at seven
• 59:53
  am in the morning, Like, that's a low hanging fruit.
• 59:55
  You need to start to find a way through. Drink
• 59:58
  one instead of three. Right, there's all these like small steps.
• 1:00:01
  You have to take one bottle instead of three, you know,
• 1:00:04
  the tiny bottles.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Come on. Oh you know what I'm saying, Like this,
• 1:00:06
  if you're drinking vodka in the morning, like you've got
• 1:00:08
  bigger problem. Bro.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: I've had clients who are, like, you know, high level
• 1:00:12
  executives that are so stressed that they drink first thing
• 1:00:14
  in the morning. I've had and I've helped them get
• 1:00:16
  off there completely. But it starts with something like that
• 1:00:19
  of like, all right.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Well that's a big duh. Right. But what I'm getting
• 1:00:22
  at is, I think if you want to have less anxiety.
• 1:00:26
  You got to wring some of it out of your
• 1:00:27
  physical body as well, and that'll help you achieve clarity.
• 1:00:31
  You have to think about it like a like a
• 1:00:33
  nutrient that you're taking, or brushing your teeth or doing
• 1:00:36
  some take your medication. You have to really think about
• 1:00:39
  it like that. And it doesn't matter what kind of
• 1:00:41
  stuff you do. It doesn't matter whatever you like to do.
• 1:00:43
  If you like to do yoga, you want to go
• 1:00:45
  hike with a weight vest on, you want to do
• 1:00:47
  push ups in a parking lot, do whatever. Do you
• 1:00:50
  do something? You just have to do something where you
• 1:00:52
  push yourself because if you don't, your body stores up.
• 1:00:56
  It seems like all this anxiety and reason why I
• 1:01:00
  believe this. One of the reason why I believe this
• 1:01:02
  is like I've had some of like the best mindsets
• 1:01:06
  ever in my life after yoga classes and long stretching
• 1:01:11
  sessions where I'm working on something. It's like, you know,
• 1:01:14
  I'm gonna stretch out here and I'll just sit and
• 1:01:16
  stretch for an hour and a half two hours, and
• 1:01:18
  when I get up, I feel wonderful. I feel like
• 1:01:21
  the world is beautiful. I want to hug people. I
• 1:01:25
  feel so peaceful, I love doing that, Like right before
• 1:01:27
  I do stand up. It's like one of my favorite
• 1:01:29
  things is to really stretch out right before I do
• 1:01:31
  stand up, and I just feel so relaxed. It's so different.
• 1:01:35
  So you're carrying around actual physical tension that affects your mind.
• 1:01:41
  That's why I think regardless of the tools that you use,
• 1:01:45
  in terms of all of it, I'm all of it.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: That's why I'm not just mental performance. Like it has
• 1:01:50
  to be all of it. It's nutrition so important, right
• 1:01:53
  the gut brain access. It has to be nutrition, exercise,
• 1:01:56
  rigorous exercise. How about your career, living a life where
• 1:01:59
  you have like some sense of meaning, right, and starting
• 1:02:03
  to move towards that right.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Don't do something you hate just because it pays you.
• 1:02:07
  If you have an option to do something that you
• 1:02:09
  might possibly love. If you want a better life, that's
• 1:02:12
  the life. Even if you're making less money, that's the life.
• 1:02:14
  You don't want to be doing something you don't want
• 1:02:16
  to do.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: You're trying to decrease the amount of stuck energy. And yes,
• 1:02:19
  that's what you're trying to do. When you feel suppressed, right,
• 1:02:21
  you're not doing what you want to do. The energy
• 1:02:23
  gets stuck.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: And if you're doing a job that you hate and
• 1:02:26
  you know you could be doing something else, you just
• 1:02:28
  have never fucking gone for it, Like ooh, that'll eat
• 1:02:31
  away back of your head.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: It's just always there.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: It's always there. It's always forever and ever and ever,
• 1:02:35
  it'll always eat away that you never took a chance.
• 1:02:37
  You just they show up every day nine am, chunk,
• 1:02:42
  punch in. Fuck, just waiting for five pm. Fuck. And
• 1:02:46
  then you get off and you're tired, yeah, you know,
• 1:02:48
  and then you see other people that didn't do that,
• 1:02:50
  and you feel like shit even more. And then you
• 1:02:53
  know it's like you're forty and it's too late. You
• 1:02:56
  feel like but it's not. Are you breathing, are you alive? Okay?
• 1:03:01
  Then you can figure out something better than what you're doing.
• 1:03:04
  You don't have much time left.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that self suppression creates a depression in any aspect, right, Yeah,
• 1:03:11
  anytime you're trying to just just like squeeze in, hold
• 1:03:15
  it in, hold it in. Whether it's an inspiration you have,
• 1:03:18
  whether it's like, hey, I want to go play this sport,
• 1:03:21
  right but I just never make time for it. That's
• 1:03:22
  self suppression, Like you have to make time for your
• 1:03:25
  natural inspiration to flow through, and if you don't, I
• 1:03:28
  think that's what creates depression.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Well, it's very hard for people to get going to
• 1:03:32
  just just to actually do something. And I brought this
• 1:03:36
  up a million times and I'll bring it up again. Unfortunately.
• 1:03:38
  Stephen Pressfield has an amazing book called The War of Art,
• 1:03:43
  and it's about that suppression that you put on yourself,
• 1:03:48
  that that weird, and he calls it resistance. Yes, and
• 1:03:51
  you know, he talks about summoning the muse and deciding
• 1:03:53
  that you're a professional and show up every day. And
• 1:03:56
  I think it's the same with that. It's the same thing.
• 1:03:59
  It's like it's hard, hard to just get off the
• 1:04:01
  couch and put your shoes on. Like Goggins talks about it,
• 1:04:04
  He's like, I stare at those motherfuckers for half an
• 1:04:06
  hour sometimes, but he always puts them. I believe him
• 1:04:10
  for thirty minutes. Yep, he doesn't lie. He's telling you
• 1:04:13
  the truth. That's why. Because he prutalizes himself, it makes
• 1:04:16
  sense that he stares in him for thirty minutes, but
• 1:04:17
  he probably literally stares at them. Yeah fuck you, he's
• 1:04:21
  just cussing him out, and then he just puts them on.
• 1:04:23
  I don't know me son exactly that he puts them on.
• 1:04:26
  So it's there's something there, you know.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: There is that resistance that Prenceville talks about, Like, that's
• 1:04:34
  exactly what I'm talking about here, right, that's doing something
• 1:04:37
  to you, whether you're an athlete, whether you're a creative.
• 1:04:40
  I mean, I think it replies to everyone, like the
• 1:04:42
  resistance is whatever is holding you back from following your
• 1:04:45
  natural inspiration.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I think a big part of that resistance is
• 1:04:48
  a fear of failure. There's a thing that hovers over
• 1:04:52
  people that's fear of failure, and that that actually it
• 1:04:56
  keeps you from just doing the things that you need
• 1:04:58
  to do to be successful. You get afraid for whatever
• 1:05:03
  weird reason, it becomes a predominant fear in your.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: Head, broken code. There's so many reasons. Like I'll give
• 1:05:09
  you an example. So I ran like a big fitness
• 1:05:11
  channel when I was trying to make it, before I
• 1:05:14
  started working with cool clients who are like Sean Brady
• 1:05:17
  and built a big fitness communian. I would see that
• 1:05:19
  like a mom who's not doing her exercise and it's like,
• 1:05:22
  why don't you just do it?
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Just do it? Just get up just do it. You deep,
• 1:05:26
  you go down.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: Into a subconscious to find Oh, well, I believe that
• 1:05:29
  if I start working out, I won't have time to
• 1:05:32
  be the mom that I am right now and my
• 1:05:34
  kids will leave me completely irrational. But subconsciously that's what
• 1:05:38
  exists on there for so many people. They think they're
• 1:05:40
  going to lose out on something and if they lose it,
• 1:05:43
  it's not worth it. Subconsciously then doing the thing that
• 1:05:46
  they're inspired to do.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: But it's also sometimes people their health is bad and
• 1:05:52
  then unfortunately they're not eating correctly and that's why their
• 1:05:55
  health is bad, and they have zero energy, and so
• 1:05:58
  the daunting task of doing something on top of working
• 1:06:02
  all day it's almost like overwhelming to them. Yeah, and
• 1:06:04
  then if they have kids and they have a bunch
• 1:06:06
  of other and then the option is get up at
• 1:06:07
  six am, Like no, fuck.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the power of transmuting the energy. So just
• 1:06:12
  flipping the energy on it right to go from this
• 1:06:14
  is gonna make me a worse mom to it's gonna
• 1:06:16
  make me a better mom. And maybe that will give
• 1:06:18
  them enough juice to actually go do the workout.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, I mean, there's gotta be something that you
• 1:06:24
  can do to trick yourself into having the energy to
• 1:06:26
  get started. But that's kind of what it is. It's
• 1:06:29
  like you have to trick yourself into getting started, and
• 1:06:32
  then when you get to an elite athlete level like Brady,
• 1:06:37
  it's gotta be about making sure the process is air tight, right.
• 1:06:43
  It's got to be like really tuning it in right,
• 1:06:46
  like making sure it's finely tuned.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, basically fight week. I want his energy. I want
• 1:06:52
  him to be matter of fact about everything, just a
• 1:06:55
  matter of fact, just neutral, just sitting right here. You know,
• 1:06:58
  the feeling you have in your heart where you're just
• 1:07:00
  like present, just right there, right there.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: But how do you get there? Like what's the way
• 1:07:06
  to get there?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: So for him at that Lee level, it's going down
• 1:07:09
  and it's clearing out anything that comes up during camp.
• 1:07:12
  It might be this isn't actually Sean, But like I
• 1:07:14
  work with a lot of other fighters and for them
• 1:07:16
  it would be, oh, I'm losing in some of my
• 1:07:19
  sparring sessions, and so their confidence is actually going down
• 1:07:21
  because of that, and so it's literally reprogramming that belief
• 1:07:24
  inside of them. And this sounds if everyone would do
• 1:07:27
  a session, you'll like to be able to feel it
• 1:07:29
  with me. And what happens is we transmit the energy
• 1:07:32
  to make them feel that it's okay to believe that
• 1:07:36
  even when they're losing and sparring, they're getting better, and
• 1:07:39
  so something just shifts inside of them instead of it
• 1:07:42
  creating a seed of doubt when they're like working on something,
• 1:07:44
  they're drilling something and they're not winning everything, Now it's okay,
• 1:07:47
  I'm getting better, and it's just a feeling that shifts
• 1:07:50
  in them.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: Well that is reality, right, I mean, as long as
• 1:07:53
  they're not getting truly beat up rationally of course sparring
• 1:07:56
  at a good place.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: But that survival instinct or that goes I should be
• 1:07:59
  winning every yeah, doesn't like that and so we sometimes
• 1:08:02
  we have to rewireless things. So that's what we're doing,
• 1:08:04
  is we're going through campus like seeing what comes up,
• 1:08:06
  what's decreasing confidence? What are you dialed in everything?
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: I'm working with other coaches as well and making sure
• 1:08:12
  are they doing what you want them to do and
• 1:08:14
  if they're not, what's going on here? And that's kind
• 1:08:16
  of my job.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: So it has to have rather, it requires a very
• 1:08:25
  strong connection between you and the athlete.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: Oh deep, I would say that nobody knows any of
• 1:08:31
  my clients better than them, except for maybe their wives.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Better than you know them.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's in extreme intimacy because I talk about some
• 1:08:42
  of the book called the core wound. So the worst
• 1:08:44
  thing that ever happened to you is the worst thing that
• 1:08:46
  ever happened to you. But some people have, you know,
• 1:08:48
  they might have witnessed a murder, or maybe they lost
• 1:08:51
  a parent when they're young, like something really bad. Another
• 1:08:54
  person might have been bullied when they're in the fourth
• 1:08:55
  grade and kicked out of a friend group. If we
• 1:08:58
  identify what that core wound is for them, that fundamentally
• 1:09:01
  it hurts their confidence of this day, and we clear
• 1:09:03
  that out, we can exponentially increase just their confidence and
• 1:09:07
  their self belief. But the only way we get there
• 1:09:09
  is they're telling me their deepest, darkest secret.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: But how do you clear it out once.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: You there's just some of these techniques. There's something called
• 1:09:17
  like hypnosis, right, you can use it with hypnosis NLP.
• 1:09:20
  They're all these mind techniques that you can utilize to
• 1:09:24
  clear the energy which clears the emotion.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: So NLP that is like that Anthony Robbins stuff, right,
• 1:09:29
  Neural linguistic program that's what he does, right, I think
• 1:09:32
  it's part of what he does.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I've never worked with him.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: But and did you go to school to learn neuro
• 1:09:37
  linguistic programming.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: No, I just studied with someone who taught it to me. Yeah.
• 1:09:40
  I just learned very well, one to one, just like
• 1:09:42
  that's how I learned.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Not totally familiar with it. How complicated is NLP? Because
• 1:09:48
  I know some people like really believe it in all perception? Right,
• 1:09:52
  that's what is it? Explain what it means. But you
• 1:09:54
  say neuro linguistic programming, What does that mean?
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even know what the I don't know
• 1:10:00
  how to explain neural linguistic programming, but I will just
• 1:10:03
  tell you what it is.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: Fundamentally, you're just playing with perception. Right, So someone has
• 1:10:08
  something's easy for me to get rid of. It is
• 1:10:10
  like the fear of flying. I had this baseball player
• 1:10:12
  this year'm working with. Every time he gets on a flight,
• 1:10:14
  he starts freaking out unnecessary.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: So what do we do.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: We imagine him on the plane and I have him
• 1:10:19
  sit visualized being on the plane and starting to get
• 1:10:22
  to that place of anxious What the thoughts, Oh, the
• 1:10:25
  plane's in a crash. He knows it's irrational, but why
• 1:10:27
  is he feeling this? Anyway, we have to go into
• 1:10:29
  a feel the emotion, feel the emotion. Then I haven't imagined,
• 1:10:32
  for example, a giant picture in his mind, in his
• 1:10:35
  mind's eye, and this picture is holding him and all
• 1:10:37
  the anxiety and the worst case scenario happening. And then
• 1:10:40
  we bo't get rid of the color in the picture,
• 1:10:42
  and then we imagine this picture becoming super tiny, and
• 1:10:46
  then we imagine it just disappearing, and then we put
• 1:10:49
  a new picture in there of him being able to fly,
• 1:10:53
  not crash, be able to do it all the time
• 1:10:56
  and be successful.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: And this flew right into the tower right after you
• 1:11:02
  gave them that advice.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: Well that sucks.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: How would you feel? Would that be it? You'd be like,
• 1:11:07
  I quit, I'm done.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they sound like very simple techniques, but
• 1:11:12
  it's something you have to experience.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it it would seem to me that it
• 1:11:17
  would be very difficult to get people to actually change
• 1:11:19
  their beliefs out easily. Like the idea sounds solid, but
• 1:11:24
  the actual process of shifting how you view the world
• 1:11:29
  depending upon the person is like turning a battleship around.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. It's heavy. I don't know. I mean,
• 1:11:34
  this is the stuff that goes beyond the rational mind.
• 1:11:36
  Like if you were to experience it, you'd be like, Okay,
• 1:11:38
  I get it. Yeah, but it's a it's an emotional experience.
• 1:11:42
  I mean, how do you There's some things we can't explain, right,
• 1:11:45
  Like how do you explain going through the veil in
• 1:11:47
  a psychedelic experience. It's something that you can't really explain
• 1:11:52
  when you come back on the other side. It's that
• 1:11:54
  kind of thing where it's like, when you're in the experience,
• 1:11:57
  it's like, how is this supposed to be possible? I
• 1:11:58
  explain the techniques your ration be like what are you
• 1:12:00
  talking about? Same thing if you have this immense psychedelic
• 1:12:05
  experience and you're passing through the veil and you're seeing
• 1:12:07
  all these things, having this experience of interconnecting this, and
• 1:12:10
  you try to come back and you tell someone who's
• 1:12:11
  never had a psychedelic experience and like, what are you
• 1:12:13
  talking about?
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not enough words, no, and no words work.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: This stuff goes beyond language. It's the same thing.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can say like I saw a beautiful rose
• 1:12:21
  and I'm like, oh cool, I know what that looks like.
• 1:12:23
  That's why it Yeah, exactly, there's not enough words for
• 1:12:26
  a psychedelic experience. So this work.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: That's why I like I put together the playbook so
• 1:12:30
  I give people actual things that they can do, because
• 1:12:32
  I understand that everyone's going to work with me one
• 1:12:33
  to want to be able to experience this. But people
• 1:12:36
  can do these simple exercises. People can audit their life
• 1:12:38
  and they can see some of the patterns of thinking,
• 1:12:41
  and just the awareness of seeing some of the patterns
• 1:12:43
  you're thinking.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: If you study enough, you might be able.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: To change it. Right, We've all had bad habits and
• 1:12:50
  sometimes just get to a point where like, all right,
• 1:12:52
  I'm not doing that anymore.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: So this neuro linguistic programming, do you specifically design this
• 1:12:58
  kind of so you what you do that as one
• 1:13:00
  of the things you do. I specifically designed different ones
• 1:13:04
  for different people that you work with. If you're going
• 1:13:05
  to work one on one with a client.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't know what I'm gonna do before I
• 1:13:09
  go to go into any session. It's all out. I
• 1:13:12
  just feel it in the present moment. I mean you
• 1:13:14
  could think of it like I have all these tools
• 1:13:17
  I can use, and then I feel into what their
• 1:13:19
  issue is, and then I do my best with the
• 1:13:21
  tools I have to fix their issue. I'm just problem
• 1:13:24
  solving the moment.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Does it feel weird to do that as a career,
• 1:13:28
  I mean that sounds like a crazy job. It feels
• 1:13:30
  like there's so much, so much weight on your shoulders
• 1:13:35
  to try to help a person, like especially try to
• 1:13:37
  help an elite athlete, like knowing what to say and
• 1:13:40
  how to get their mind tuned in right and what
• 1:13:43
  to what to introduce, and whether or not this technique
• 1:13:45
  is effective? Am I doing this right?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: I just don't think I strenger it something bigger than myself.
• 1:13:50
  M That's what I have to do is just allow.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: How did you know that you could do it? Though? Like,
• 1:13:54
  how did you know that this was going to be
• 1:13:55
  like really effective, especially on someone like a fighter, where
• 1:13:58
  it's like this is a really complicated gig, Like you
• 1:14:01
  really you want to talk about a sport where you
• 1:14:03
  have to have your mind right, Like there's no sport
• 1:14:06
  like fighting, Yeah, because any mistake you make you're gonna
• 1:14:09
  get head kicked. Yeah.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: Well I lose too sometimes right. So like Wiman, I
• 1:14:14
  helped him come back his first fight back from after
• 1:14:17
  he broke his leg, and he said that's the best
• 1:14:19
  he's ever felt in his career going into a fight.
• 1:14:22
  He still lost a fight.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a physical factor there too that whether or
• 1:14:28
  not a guy like Wiman never wants to admit because
• 1:14:30
  he's so tough, because he has this incredible belief in himself.
• 1:14:33
  But a catastrophic break of a bone like that when
• 1:14:37
  you're in your late thirties, that is hard to come
• 1:14:39
  back from. Man, that's not simple. Yeah, it takes a
• 1:14:42
  long time. And you know he came back, you know,
• 1:14:46
  he eventually reached a higher level than this first fight back,
• 1:14:52
  but he doesn't, you know, necessarily look like Chris Wiman
• 1:14:55
  when he beat Anderson Silva or Chris Weiber thirty nine. Now, yeah, yeah, unfortunately,
• 1:15:01
  and these guys it's like if you're natural and he's natural,
• 1:15:05
  they get to a certain point where the body just
• 1:15:07
  can't keep up with the brain. Like their brain is
• 1:15:09
  so strong and they're so tough, but their body is
• 1:15:12
  not a twenty four year old's body anymore. It doesn't
• 1:15:14
  move right anymore. And this accumulation of injuries regardless of
• 1:15:18
  your belief system. Yeah, it's just your foot doesn't work anymore, bro,
• 1:15:22
  you know, I mean.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: That was me understanding. Like when I was eighteen years old,
• 1:15:25
  I'm like, I'm not that good at football, Like I
• 1:15:27
  don't have the physical gifts, Like I'm just not that
• 1:15:29
  like I'm not going to run that fast and when
• 1:15:32
  So this is how I discovered it, right, I started
• 1:15:34
  learning these techniques, Like I can do things. I get
• 1:15:36
  rid of someone's headache very easily with some of these techniques.
• 1:15:38
  So like, I have a teammate had a terrible headache
• 1:15:40
  and be like, all right, let's do some of these
• 1:15:42
  hypnosis relaxation techniques. He's like, my headache's gone. I'm like,
• 1:15:45
  I'm way better than this. And I was at football,
• 1:15:48
  and that was a spark within me that made me I.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: Would take him to the hospital. I'm like, bro, you
• 1:15:51
  might be having a stroke. Let's get you to the hospital.
• 1:15:54
  Let's just a headache. Come on, when a guy who's
• 1:15:57
  a tough guy complains about a headache, always get concerned.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: He wasn't that tough.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: He's a football player. He's gotta be tough.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: Bro.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: You want to see tough, look at Lebron James's feet.
• 1:16:07
  I was looking at Lebron James's feet today online. Have
• 1:16:09
  you seen him, Jamie.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: Bro?
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: How does that guy play elite basketball with those fucked
• 1:16:17
  up feet? Like his feet are so broken because of
• 1:16:21
  all the years of exploding and twisting and turning. And
• 1:16:25
  he's been playing professionally for how long twenty years, which
• 1:16:28
  is twenty one. I think that's bananas. I don't think
• 1:16:32
  about the amount of explosions he's forced his feet to perform.
• 1:16:36
  Imagine moving back and forth and you weigh two hundred
• 1:16:39
  and fifty pounds, like, that's nuts. That's so much force.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: He's not the same species as us. He's something else.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Discipline bro, But look at those toes. That is banana.
• 1:16:50
  That's bananas. Like his his toes just take like sharp
• 1:16:55
  turns that may or may not be accurate. It might
• 1:16:57
  not be right. That other one looked better, looks let
• 1:17:00
  me see that.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: It looks a little better.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: It's a little over it, but.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little over it. But he might be
• 1:17:06
  getting it. Maybe he did that on purpose, Maybe he
• 1:17:08
  did that for the picture just to be silly while ago. Yeah,
• 1:17:13
  that's pretty obvious. So his big toe goes under the
• 1:17:16
  next toe. It's that twisted in that's obvious.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: It doesn't like the same foot as that foot.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: You know. Brian Simpson was having a problem with that
• 1:17:23
  too because he's got wide feet, and I told him
• 1:17:24
  about yoga toes. That stuff works, man, You ever use those?
• 1:17:29
  They stretch your feet out. You put your toes in
• 1:17:31
  there and they stretch. It's like a little rubber stopper
• 1:17:34
  in between each little toesy and it stretches your foot
• 1:17:37
  out and makes it, you know, feel better. It relieves
• 1:17:40
  the tent, the pressure that you're getting with narrow toed
• 1:17:43
  shoes where it's squishing it in the front, fucking your
• 1:17:46
  feet up. But to be that tough to play basketball
• 1:17:50
  with that kind of a foot for twenty plus years,
• 1:17:52
  that's nuts.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's taking a lot to be gotta be.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: And run with no knees. Nuts.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: Nuts, That's that's what inspiration does. Though. You know, I
• 1:18:02
  think these guys just want it. They want it. They
• 1:18:05
  want to keep going, they want to keep pushing it.
• 1:18:07
  They want to see what's possible.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was watching a fight today one of my
• 1:18:11
  chat groups that I have with Dean Thomas and Matt
• 1:18:13
  Sarah and John Ralow. A guy was fighting in a box.
• 1:18:18
  It looks like a boxing match, and he has one leg.
• 1:18:21
  So he's hopping around with one leg trying to fuck
• 1:18:23
  this guy up. So if you ever think like, maybe hey,
• 1:18:28
  let me find this, you ever think like, maybe life
• 1:18:32
  has been too hard on me, maybe the barriers in
• 1:18:35
  front of me insurmountable, fucking doing what this guy's doing,
• 1:18:41
  because this is really kind of crazy. And I don't
• 1:18:44
  understand what they're doing because there are they're barefoot, but
• 1:18:48
  they're not kicking, and I guess the guy can't kick
• 1:18:52
  because he only has one leg. Maybe they agreed no kicking,
• 1:18:55
  but like, why put a shoe on? You know? And
• 1:18:58
  understand why if any of you guys aren't gonna kick,
• 1:19:00
  why don't you have shoes on? It's better for your grip.
• 1:19:02
  But this guy's hopping around, did you get it, Jamie?
• 1:19:05
  This guy's hopping around throwing punches with literally one leg.
• 1:19:08
  Look at this, Oh how nuts is that? One thing?
• 1:19:13
  You do have to think? It sucks that he only
• 1:19:16
  has one leg, but I bet he weighs about forty
• 1:19:18
  pounds lighter that way. Oh yeah, so like he's probably
• 1:19:21
  got some strong ass arms. But you can only generate
• 1:19:24
  so much force with one leg.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: I can't even balance on one leg.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: I know his balance is insane, man, And his movement's
• 1:19:29
  really good too, Like there's people that have two legs
• 1:19:31
  that don't move that good. It's nuts. The other dude
• 1:19:35
  is like, I wish I could leg kick you, Like
• 1:19:40
  it's so not fair. You guarantee that dude can't kick
• 1:19:42
  you back. So explosive, but it's just pretty nutty that
• 1:19:47
  you know, he's still willing to fight and he's hitting
• 1:19:49
  this guy.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, is the human will Yeah, it's incredible.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: It is incredible. The human mind can do very strange things.
• 1:19:58
  If you let it keep going down on a path
• 1:20:01
  and keep getting better and better, you know, you can
• 1:20:03
  get to a very strange place that you know a
• 1:20:06
  lot of people don't want to believe exists.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: Just to keep expanding the possibilities, right, exposing yourself to
• 1:20:12
  new things. I think that's why, like people in my
• 1:20:16
  field traditionally like they're not doing psychedelics, Like it's not
• 1:20:20
  really a thing that people do.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: Why do you think that is? I would imagine I
• 1:20:25
  don't think that anybody that's really exploring how to.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: Esctus say maybe more sports psychology stuff like that, because
• 1:20:30
  they're more clinical. They're more clinical people, you know, they're
• 1:20:32
  doctors there, they're people are much more clinical and methodical
• 1:20:36
  about things. But for me, like my full ego death
• 1:20:40
  through the Bufo toad was fundamentally the most important part
• 1:20:44
  of me learning to do what I do because in
• 1:20:47
  that experience, it creates enough space between me and all
• 1:20:51
  my beliefs. You know, it's at like then neuroplasticity that
• 1:20:54
  gets created in those moments afterwards where you can actually
• 1:20:56
  kind of see things, you can kind of see the
• 1:20:58
  force from the trees. If you never have the experience,
• 1:21:01
  then like, this is something people talk about all the time, right,
• 1:21:04
  it's the whole thing. The ego is the enemy. It's like, well,
• 1:21:07
  it despends what you're considering the ego because you can't
• 1:21:09
  give rid of the ego. If the ego dies, then
• 1:21:12
  you're just in the oneness. Right, So you need the ego.
• 1:21:16
  You have to build it up. And I think for
• 1:21:18
  fighters especially, like they need massive egos, but they need
• 1:21:21
  healthy egos, egos that our programmed to succeed.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, ego is not attainable. If you're a human being,
• 1:21:28
  you're going to have an ego. You just have to
• 1:21:30
  figure out how to manage it and don't let it
• 1:21:32
  burn your house down. You know. It's like the custom
• 1:21:35
  Modo quote about fear. Fear is like fire. You can
• 1:21:38
  cook your food with it, or if it gets out
• 1:21:39
  of control, to burn your house down.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: I think that's the case with many, many things, including psychedelics.
• 1:21:46
  By the way, I think there's a lot of people
• 1:21:48
  that burn their house down.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people that go really
• 1:21:51
  far and they lose their grip on reality, and reality
• 1:21:54
  gets real slippery and they sort of try to redefine
• 1:21:58
  reality to fit their own narrative, and they seem schizophrenic.
• 1:22:02
  I've seen that from multiple people that have taken too
• 1:22:04
  many psychedelics. They're just abusing it. You got to use
• 1:22:07
  like a tool. Well, yeah, but it's also everybody has
• 1:22:14
  their own specific way that they interact with the world.
• 1:22:21
  And if you're taking psychedelics to justify your specific way
• 1:22:26
  of interacting with the world, and then you start indoctrinating
• 1:22:31
  other people to your specific way of running the world
• 1:22:34
  and you try to like have a branch off civilization.
• 1:22:36
  Like that's like this thing that happens to guys in particular.
• 1:22:41
  You don't see a lot of like female guru psychedelic ladies,
• 1:22:44
  you know, or they they're more like mother figures, but
• 1:22:47
  not like gurus. The gurus are all dudes. And it
• 1:22:49
  almost always there's always almost always or or dick, depending
• 1:22:58
  on what you're into. Because guy out here in Texas,
• 1:23:02
  in Austin was there was a there's a building that
• 1:23:06
  Ron White loved called the One World Theater that we
• 1:23:08
  were actually in contract under contract for before I wound
• 1:23:12
  up buying The Mothership, and that place was run by
• 1:23:14
  a cult. And this guy was a gay guy. He
• 1:23:17
  was a gay porn star and a hypnotist.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: There you go, that's a definitely combo right there.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: I was teaching yoga to folks in West Hollywood and
• 1:23:25
  slowly but surely formed a cult. And then after Waco,
• 1:23:29
  remember the Waco thing went down, everybody panicked and the
• 1:23:33
  Cult Awareness Network apparently was like looking for him and
• 1:23:36
  looking into him because like a lot of the family
• 1:23:38
  was like my woo, lost my son. He went to that.
• 1:23:40
  So then he decided to change his name, and then
• 1:23:43
  he moved to Austin and he had his followers build
• 1:23:46
  him a theater so he could dance in front of them,
• 1:23:49
  and that's here, and it was it's there's a crazy
• 1:23:53
  documentary called Holy Hell, but this guy this is what's crazy.
• 1:23:59
  The people that hated him at the end of the documentary,
• 1:24:01
  the people said that he was a giant scammer and
• 1:24:04
  he was a piece of shit, and they wish they
• 1:24:05
  had never met him. They all said they had gone
• 1:24:09
  through this thing called the knowing, and the knowing was
• 1:24:12
  like he would withhold it from them, and a lot
• 1:24:15
  of them are like really upset they weren't getting the knowing.
• 1:24:18
  And it was this thing that he would do or
• 1:24:19
  he'd make them. I think they were on their knees
• 1:24:22
  and he would touch their face and tell them that
• 1:24:24
  it was gonna happen, and they would all say the
• 1:24:27
  same thing. They would all say afterwards. It was one
• 1:24:29
  of the most beautiful, the most beautiful experience of their life.
• 1:24:32
  That they felt a complete total connection with God and
• 1:24:36
  it changed their worldview and their perception forever, like it's
• 1:24:39
  available in your mind if you believe, if you truly believe,
• 1:24:44
  and they truly believed that this guy was like a
• 1:24:47
  legitimate mystic. It was a legitimate guru, and because they
• 1:24:51
  believed that even though this guy's like gay porn starn't
• 1:24:54
  a hypnotism fucking psychopath, because they believed that when he
• 1:24:58
  put his hands on them, they felt So what a
• 1:25:01
  complicated relationship. You have this guy who one of the
• 1:25:05
  guys left the cult and he's like, hey man, this
• 1:25:09
  guy's been hypnotizing me and fucking me for ten years.
• 1:25:12
  And then everybody was like me too. It got crazy,
• 1:25:14
  and then they all wound up leaving. But he also
• 1:25:18
  did this thing for them, Yeah, where he connected them
• 1:25:21
  to God, which is really nuts, man, because you would think,
• 1:25:24
  fuck that guy, that guy sucked. I can't believe it. But
• 1:25:28
  they're all like, but there was his one day and
• 1:25:30
  this one it was almost like a part of the
• 1:25:33
  little cosmic joke of life? Is it cosmic joke? This
• 1:25:38
  fucking weirdo possesses the ability to literally connect you with God,
• 1:25:44
  but he behaves like a demon. He's just butt fucking
• 1:25:48
  dudes and just taking all their money and it's just madness.
• 1:25:51
  But what he's able to do when he touches you
• 1:25:54
  is real. What a cosmic joke? If I believe it?
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: You know, there's all those like Indian gurus right where
• 1:26:00
  like people tell the stories of like all they have
• 1:26:02
  to do is like gaze on me or touch me.
• 1:26:04
  I've never experienced any of this, and then you just
• 1:26:06
  feel like you've had experience with God.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it. I believe if you believe it,
• 1:26:12
  That's what I think. I think there are guys that
• 1:26:15
  are living a very different life, just like you know
• 1:26:17
  we're talking about like someone who can get to this
• 1:26:19
  David Goggins level of discipline and physical will. I think
• 1:26:23
  there's guys like that with meditation, and I think there's
• 1:26:25
  guys who get so far out there. And if you
• 1:26:29
  recognize that they're so far out there, I bet you
• 1:26:32
  sync up with the way they're seeing the world. You
• 1:26:35
  let them think for you and you believe in them,
• 1:26:37
  and then they do something to you, they put their
• 1:26:39
  hands on you, or whatever they do, you believe it's
• 1:26:41
  going to happen, and then your mind allows it to happen. Ye.
• 1:26:45
  I think we have access to a bunch of different
• 1:26:48
  states of consciousness. We just don't know the tools to
• 1:26:53
  access it. We don't know the code to crack to
• 1:26:55
  open them. And for some people it's a near death experience,
• 1:26:59
  which is like seems to be a chemical reaction. It's
• 1:27:02
  like an undeniable reaction that people have when they come
• 1:27:05
  back from the dead. But for other people, it's not.
• 1:27:07
  For other people like sometimes it's some sort of a
• 1:27:10
  life changing revelation. For some people, it's like it's falling
• 1:27:14
  in love or having a child, or there's something that
• 1:27:17
  happens that like rewires the way they see the world
• 1:27:22
  and whatever those states are that are inside of us.
• 1:27:27
  I can't imagine why there's not courses at major universities
• 1:27:35
  studying how to access this stuff, studying how to achieve
• 1:27:38
  in dodgenous states of psychedelic experiences like that. Like James
• 1:27:45
  Nester's book when he talks about holotropic breathing and all
• 1:27:47
  the different do you ever do that time. I've done
• 1:27:50
  a bunch of it. Yeah. I've had like legit trips
• 1:27:52
  from breathing.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I guide some guys to my clients, like they
• 1:27:55
  leave their body. You know, they have experiences like leaving
• 1:27:58
  their body.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: It feels very weird. You can get it, especially when
• 1:28:01
  you do it. I like to do breathing exercises in
• 1:28:05
  a tank, in flow tank in the Yeah, you do
• 1:28:07
  it in a flow tank. Whoa because the flow tank
• 1:28:10
  itself is a psychedelic experience, totally natural. It's the best
• 1:28:15
  one because there's no side effects and you can just
• 1:28:17
  open the door and it's over. Anytime you're freaking out,
• 1:28:20
  like I can't take it, open the door. Yeah, and
• 1:28:22
  then next time I'm staying a little longer and then
• 1:28:24
  settle in. But doing breathing exercises in there, I mean,
• 1:28:28
  you might as well be taking mushrooms. You can get
• 1:28:30
  some bizarre experiences doing that.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So we talked about, like how do we get
• 1:28:35
  people on this path. I think it's these types of
• 1:28:37
  experiences that like open a doorway, it's like a hard reset.
• 1:28:41
  I think actually for most people they should not do psychedelics.
• 1:28:44
  Most people people who are like in a really dark state.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: Do you think most people are in a dark Okay.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, most people who are in a very
• 1:28:50
  dark state, they're struggling with really bad depression. I don't
• 1:28:53
  think they should go right to psychedelics. I think there's
• 1:28:54
  steps before that. I think they can do topic breathing
• 1:28:57
  flow tanks.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: There's different skat help first too. Yeah, you know, take
• 1:29:01
  some steps.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: But like there's things you can you know, one of
• 1:29:05
  the things.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: That's a really good thing to tell people to do.
• 1:29:07
  Find a fun physical hobby, something that you can get
• 1:29:10
  good at, whatever it is, whether it's fucking pickleball or
• 1:29:13
  whatever it is. Find a fun physical hobby that forces
• 1:29:16
  you to do a little bit of activity. You know,
• 1:29:18
  it doesn't have to be super strenuous, but something that
• 1:29:21
  you actually like doing, so you get moving, you get moving.
• 1:29:25
  And then there's also the thing about getting good at
• 1:29:27
  something that for whatever reason, like really helps people. I'll
• 1:29:31
  give you. If you really focus on getting good at something,
• 1:29:34
  that thing becomes the puzzle instead of just like dealing
• 1:29:37
  with all the anxiety of life. Then that becomes your focus.
• 1:29:40
  Your focus becomes getting good at this thing.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: Humans need something to pour their energy into.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: And if you don't have that, you feel lost. And
• 1:29:46
  that's a lot of people in this world. And that's
• 1:29:49
  the problem with just having a regular job, which also
• 1:29:52
  SAPs you of your energy.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: You know, absolutely, it could be something very simple, you know,
• 1:29:57
  but just find something that you just want to move
• 1:29:59
  on a path. Just get on a path, and that
• 1:30:02
  just incremental progress feels good.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: And the best thing is physical anything, anything that you
• 1:30:07
  can do. That's why jiu jitsu is so awesome because
• 1:30:10
  you could find that you find the physical struggle but
• 1:30:14
  also this incredible mental puzzle that you're figuring out every day.
• 1:30:17
  And then also you're dealing with all these anxieties and
• 1:30:20
  emotions and these weird feelings like fuck, I don't want
• 1:30:23
  to roll with him, Oh god, damn it, he's gonna
• 1:30:25
  get me. And you're rolling with people that you got
• 1:30:27
  to learn how to relax. You got to learn, and
• 1:30:28
  they're like, oh my god, he didn't tap me this
• 1:30:30
  this session, Like maybe you got nominated, but at least
• 1:30:33
  you didn't tap. And then next time he maybe you
• 1:30:36
  reverse someone, maybe you sweep someone that you never swept before,
• 1:30:39
  I mean, and then you're just like, oh my god,
• 1:30:41
  I'm getting better at this and you've got this puzzle,
• 1:30:44
  and then you've also got this extreme physical activity where
• 1:30:48
  the rest of the day seems so easy. It seems
• 1:30:51
  so like so relaxing. No matter what happens, you're so
• 1:30:55
  calm because you've been getting your fucking legs yanked on
• 1:30:59
  and your neck yank n and fucking take it down
• 1:31:01
  and side control crushed and getting arm triangled and this
• 1:31:06
  is easy, like no matter what you experience outside of
• 1:31:09
  that your bar for what sucks. It's like your thing
• 1:31:12
  you do the most that sucks so hard is what
• 1:31:15
  you love, Yeah, which is nuts. So it cures you
• 1:31:18
  in a lot of ways. And it's I think it's
• 1:31:20
  the remedy for young men. There's a lot of men
• 1:31:23
  that just and it's filled with nerds. You need to
• 1:31:27
  know that too, like that it's not meat heeads. You
• 1:31:30
  think it's meat heads, it's mostly not. And mostly it's
• 1:31:32
  like really intelligent people that excel at this physical puzzle
• 1:31:37
  and then through that thing they develop all this confidence.
• 1:31:40
  They become like much cooler people, much more interesting to
• 1:31:43
  hang out with. Like all my friends that are like
• 1:31:45
  black belts and jiu jitsu, they're all interesting. They're all
• 1:31:48
  cool to talk to. Like if I can talk to
• 1:31:50
  a guy and they tell me they're a black belt
• 1:31:52
  jiu Jitsu'm like, oh, okay, you've gone through the whole thing,
• 1:31:55
  like you've gone through some shit, Like, okay, I guarantee
• 1:31:58
  you and I can find common ground, like we could talk.
• 1:32:01
  It's like there's things that are out there that are
• 1:32:04
  available to you that are a vehicle for developing your
• 1:32:07
  human potential. That's what I was taught when I was
• 1:32:10
  a kid and I was learning taekwondo, that's how they
• 1:32:12
  described it. I never forgot that a vehicle for developing
• 1:32:16
  your human potential. And I was like, that's perfect because
• 1:32:19
  I think you don't just do it from thinking about
• 1:32:22
  stuff and thinking different. I think you need physical stuff
• 1:32:26
  that you do, and the best physical stuff is scary stuff.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: Right a passage, you know, we don't have many rights
• 1:32:33
  of passages. Yeah, and doing any type of martial arts
• 1:32:35
  and having to compete is like, oh, this is scary.
• 1:32:38
  It's building is building is building? What's going to happen?
• 1:32:40
  And you kind of you have to face that fear
• 1:32:42
  of death in a way. It's like you know you're
• 1:32:43
  not going to die, but in a way it feels
• 1:32:45
  like it. When you're going to competition, it's like this
• 1:32:47
  person is going to try to hurt me. And to
• 1:32:50
  come through that and get to the other side, there's
• 1:32:52
  something that changes in your nervous system.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: For sure, You've actually experienced something that very few people
• 1:32:58
  ever experience, and it's it's very different than a street
• 1:33:01
  fight because you're agreeing to it and you're training for it.
• 1:33:05
  You've got this other person who's like training you know,
• 1:33:07
  they're scariest shit, and they're on the other side of
• 1:33:09
  the cage, and then you step in and the two
• 1:33:11
  of you are about to go to war. It's the
• 1:33:13
  nuttiest job in the history of the world. It really is.
• 1:33:15
  Other than war and being a firefighter or a cop,
• 1:33:18
  it is the nuttiest job in the history of the world.
• 1:33:21
  You're agreeing to throw bones at each other in front
• 1:33:24
  of the world millions of people.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: People love it.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: And today they just announced the UFC just signed some
• 1:33:29
  crazy deal with Paramount. Plus there's going to be no
• 1:33:32
  more pay per views. All the events are going to
• 1:33:35
  be available for everybody for free. Every pay per view,
• 1:33:40
  every fight card that they have from the Apex, which
• 1:33:43
  are my favorite, everything is going to be available for free.
• 1:33:47
  It's an amazing deal.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: I think it's going to explode this sport, Oh my.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: God, through the roof. And it's a super smart move
• 1:33:53
  for Paramount. What a great move to not just have
• 1:33:57
  the UFC for seven years, but have it for free.
• 1:34:00
  Like I don't think Paramount costs, but what how much
• 1:34:03
  does it cost a month? Ten bucks? So if it's
• 1:34:07
  ten let's say it's ten bucks, that's crazy. That's one
• 1:34:12
  hundred and twenty dollars a year. You could watch every
• 1:34:14
  UFC pay per view, two UFC pay per views, like
• 1:34:17
  one hundred and forty bucks, right, isn't it. I did
• 1:34:19
  seventy dollars, so you get all of them. Everything's free.
• 1:34:23
  That's incredible because this support is going to go fucking
• 1:34:26
  hyper notes.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: The average person only knows about the stars, you know
• 1:34:28
  what I mean, But they're kind of detached because they're
• 1:34:30
  only watching highlights. Now they get to actually watch about
• 1:34:33
  the stars. They're gonna be so much more bought into
• 1:34:35
  this sport.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be nuts, and it'll be It's such
• 1:34:38
  a smart move for Paramount because you have a built
• 1:34:40
  in audience. It's immediately gonna jump over there because everybody
• 1:34:44
  you have to renew your ESPN subscription anywhere, you know,
• 1:34:48
  like you have to renew it. So it's just buy
• 1:34:51
  a Paramount subscription. By the way, the ESPN has everything too.
• 1:34:55
  It's great. I kind of bummed out, and I hope
• 1:34:57
  they don't lose the relationship that they had with ESPN
• 1:34:59
  with all their MMA shows. I hope they don't go
• 1:35:02
  like full boom they went to Paramount. I hope it's
• 1:35:04
  like a mutually beneficial thing, like the UFC at least
• 1:35:07
  does some content still on ESPN, because I think that's
• 1:35:10
  also a big factor in pulling people from like casual
• 1:35:14
  viewers that watch other sports that might occasionally watch a
• 1:35:17
  UFC fight and then they see like Dustin Poier versus
• 1:35:20
  Max Holloway and they're like, holy shit, and then they're hooked. Right,
• 1:35:24
  It's like having that coverage on Sports Center, that shit's huge.
• 1:35:29
  Having those post fight shows on ESPN plus that shit
• 1:35:33
  is huge. For the real dorks like me, that's huge.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think even for like the average person that
• 1:35:39
  cares more about storytelling.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: You.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like maybe the wives are like this is
• 1:35:43
  interesting to hear about the drama of their life a
• 1:35:44
  little bit and the hero's journey.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Yeah. Well, it's unbelievably compelling when you
• 1:35:52
  watch two world class fighters fight in a world championship fight.
• 1:35:56
  Unbelievably compelling. You know, like when you watch sugarshewan O'Malley
• 1:36:00
  try to get the title back from Rob that was
• 1:36:03
  so compelling. Sugar Shawn changes his whole life. Did you
• 1:36:07
  talk with him at all?
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: I haven't. I'm very curious. I would love to talk
• 1:36:10
  with him because I know he cut out weed right,
• 1:36:12
  and he.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: Cut out weed, stopped jerking off, I believe, and abandon
• 1:36:15
  all social media, which is very fascinating. I might be
• 1:36:19
  wrong about the jerking off. I think I might have
• 1:36:20
  added that in there, But he recognized that this guy's
• 1:36:25
  a motherfucker. He's a completely different thing. Like Morob is
• 1:36:29
  like a David Goggins in that respect that he's so
• 1:36:33
  far down the path of pushing himself that it's almost
• 1:36:38
  like you're never going to catch him in that game.
• 1:36:41
  You know, like six months of not jerking off and
• 1:36:47
  staying off TikTok. I don't think that's even close to enough.
• 1:36:51
  I think what he's been doing has been really insane
• 1:36:55
  for a long time. Everybody that I talked to that's
• 1:36:58
  trained with that guy say he's fucking superhuman with his
• 1:37:02
  cardio and his work ethic is through the roof man.
• 1:37:05
  When DC went to see him the day after he
• 1:37:07
  won the title, he was out running. DC went to
• 1:37:10
  his house and he's filmed. DC's filming his garage that
• 1:37:14
  his garage gym set up. But he's like, this motherfucker
• 1:37:16
  is out running. He's out running the day after winning
• 1:37:19
  the world title and a spectacular five round performance where
• 1:37:23
  he shows super human cardio, like superhuman pressure. There's a
• 1:37:29
  few guys like that.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fascinating to look at just that level, the
• 1:37:35
  elite elite, elite, elite level, and to see the commonalities
• 1:37:39
  between them, for me as someone who loves studying the mind,
• 1:37:42
  and it's like, what is different about these guys? And
• 1:37:44
  then is there anything you could do to catch up?
• 1:37:47
  Or are they just built different? Are they wired?
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: No way? Did you see the Anthony Hernandez Roman Delitee
• 1:37:52
  fight this weekend? Na, bro, you gotta see that fight.
• 1:37:55
  You have to see that fight. Anthony Hernandez is a
• 1:37:58
  fucking problem. He's a fucking real problem. He doesn't get tired, man,
• 1:38:05
  He pushes an insane pace and he doesn't get tired.
• 1:38:08
  He melts dudes. He just melts them. You know. He
• 1:38:12
  does stuff where you just go like, what how are
• 1:38:15
  you pushing this kind of pace? It's like a middleweight version.
• 1:38:18
  Someone said it in the the comments too, the Morob
• 1:38:21
  was in Roman's corner because they're both from Georgia and
• 1:38:23
  he's like in Morob is in the corner. Why Roman
• 1:38:26
  fights the middleweight version of morob because it really was
• 1:38:29
  like that Fluffy Hernandez is wild, dude. It's like whatever
• 1:38:34
  he's doing in his training or whether he just has
• 1:38:37
  a like some people like kan Velaska has had natural
• 1:38:40
  cardio gift. I don't know what it is, but it's insane.
• 1:38:43
  He submitted. Rudolfo Vieira, multiple time world jiujitsu gym, just
• 1:38:48
  exhausted the fuck out of him and guillotined them, which
• 1:38:51
  is just nuts to watch that guy tap. Do you
• 1:38:54
  know who he is?
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: No? I know, boxing way more than UFC. So.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: Vieira is built like a superhero. Doesn't even look like
• 1:39:00
  a real human. He looks like a cartoonish like CGI
• 1:39:05
  version of what an elite MMA athlete looks like. Just
• 1:39:08
  chiseled and fuffy. Doesn't look like that covered in tattoos.
• 1:39:11
  You know, looks athletic, you know, looks tough. But Dolfo
• 1:39:16
  Vieira is a that's him. Oh yeah, ba row. I
• 1:39:21
  mean you know those photos of like what your girlfriend
• 1:39:26
  tells you not to worry about dad. What that one
• 1:39:28
  where he's got his sleeves down and by his elbows
• 1:39:31
  in the lower Yeah that one right there, bro? What
• 1:39:34
  are you talking about? And I don't think Fuffy was
• 1:39:38
  even a black belt. I think Fuffy was a brown
• 1:39:40
  belt at the time. I want to be correct about that.
• 1:39:42
  He's a black belt now, right, Anthony Hernandez MMA, I
• 1:39:47
  think he's a black belt. But to submit that guy
• 1:39:50
  was just one of the crazy. Like if you had
• 1:39:53
  a if you had a bet in Vegas, you know,
• 1:39:57
  like if you were on Draft Draftking sports book and
• 1:40:00
  you bet Fluffy Hernandez to submit Rudolfo Vieira kid like
• 1:40:06
  twenty five to one odds brown belt. He's still a
• 1:40:09
  brown belt. He's still a brown belt in jiu jitsu.
• 1:40:12
  He submitted a multiple time world champion just by melting him,
• 1:40:16
  just melting him. I'd love for you to talk to
• 1:40:19
  that guy, find out what the fuck he's made out of.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: Love to hit me up, bro.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: He's different, man. There's certain dudes that are just different,
• 1:40:26
  you know, like what Goggins likes to call uncommon amongst
• 1:40:29
  uncommon men. That dude's uncommon. If I was in middleweight,
• 1:40:33
  I'd be like closely watching that guy like Jesus Christ,
• 1:40:37
  because he's also like every fight he keeps getting better
• 1:40:40
  and it's just a storm that starts from the first
• 1:40:43
  minute of the first round and never stops. You never
• 1:40:46
  get to break, there's no breaths. He's constantly on you.
• 1:40:49
  He takes a great shot, fifty two takedowns, eight fight wins, treak,
• 1:40:54
  six finishes. Bro that guy. There's there's guys just emerge
• 1:41:01
  from groups of like super talented contenders where you just
• 1:41:05
  go holy shit, And that's one of them.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been looking at for him.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: I can go back and watch the fight.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: So for a guy like you that's like a mental coach,
• 1:41:13
  I always like wonder, I'd like to to like talk
• 1:41:16
  to that guy and maybe you can pass some of
• 1:41:18
  that on to everybody else, Like what is he doing? Yeah,
• 1:41:21
  how is he? Is he just training harder than everybody else?
• 1:41:25
  Is he just is his mindset? Is he just a
• 1:41:27
  dog and just just does not give a fuck? Because
• 1:41:30
  it seems like there's a lot of that there too.
• 1:41:32
  He's just mentally super strong and super aggressive. That's what
• 1:41:36
  I love to do.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: I give these guys these prompts and I just audit
• 1:41:39
  and I pull out all their beliefs and it's super
• 1:41:41
  interesting to hear what beliefs creating elief performer and just
• 1:41:46
  hearing all the ones that are making them successful and
• 1:41:50
  all the ones that are causing them problems.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: When you hear what's really crazy, dude smokes a ton
• 1:41:54
  of weed. Ton of weed, Like I want to quit
• 1:41:59
  the weed. This dude's like, give me all your weed.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: When I was when I was doing a lot of boxing,
• 1:42:04
  I I was smoking a ton of weed. I was
• 1:42:06
  smoking weed every single day. And I don't anymore. But
• 1:42:09
  at the time, I was like, you know, I had
• 1:42:10
  to get surgery in my nose because I got busted
• 1:42:12
  up so many times.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got that surgery. Yeah, Oh my god, isn't
• 1:42:15
  it nice when you get it done? Though, I fell
• 1:42:19
  down a flight of stairs when I was five, so
• 1:42:21
  I've never had a good nose. My nose has been
• 1:42:23
  fucked since I was a little kid. So I never
• 1:42:25
  could breathe out of my nose. And then years of
• 1:42:27
  getting punched and kicked and getting his butted and grass.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: I had it. I was going to the doctor because
• 1:42:34
  I was still sparring during COVID and I was going
• 1:42:36
  to the doctor and they were just telling me, oh,
• 1:42:37
  I think you have COVID. So they told me, They're like,
• 1:42:40
  I think you just have stuffiness. We're gonna have you
• 1:42:42
  tested from COVID like two different times, and eventually I
• 1:42:45
  just got X rays and I'm like, oh, your nose
• 1:42:47
  is destroyed.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it happens like an ear right, you know,
• 1:42:51
  like ears get cauliflower, you get that same kind of
• 1:42:54
  build up of calcium deposits. Since how your nose off,
• 1:42:57
  they have to carve it out.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: Ever seen what it looks like? Can they get the
• 1:43:00
  chunks and they lay it out for you After they
• 1:43:02
  take it out. They took a piece from my ear.
• 1:43:04
  They took the ear cartilage to rebuild your nose.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: The funniest thing is, so I spent a lot of
• 1:43:08
  time in Columbia and I went down there for the
• 1:43:11
  surgery and uh, you went.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: To Columbia for ear to no surgery?
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, I do everything all my stuff, And I got
• 1:43:17
  lasic eye surge in Columbia. Jesus, they invented it in Bogota, Columbia,
• 1:43:21
  did they really?
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: They did? No shit?
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, medical stuff is amazing. The honestly, Like this is
• 1:43:26
  gonna sound funny, but when I go there, it almost
• 1:43:28
  makes the US feel like a third world country. That's crazy,
• 1:43:32
  just because it's so inexpensive. The doctors are good, the
• 1:43:35
  facility is great. Anyhow, so I go get the surgery.
• 1:43:37
  I come out of it. I'm missing the back of
• 1:43:39
  my ear that I didn't understand that part.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: Why didn't they do the rib Usually they did rib.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: They said they might do the rib but I don't
• 1:43:46
  know mine.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: And went with your ear. I guess what was your
• 1:43:48
  ear looked like? Now I'm show it to you. Okay,
• 1:43:52
  you got a missing chunk son.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: Whoa, Now it lays kind of flat.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: Oh that's crazy, not that bad, not bad, not bad,
• 1:44:01
  But you don't grapple soon have calid flower That would
• 1:44:03
  get weird because there would be no structure, so it
• 1:44:05
  would like super droop like a like a like a labrador.
• 1:44:09
  What do you think.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: I haven't gotten into jiu jitsu just because I was
• 1:44:12
  told by some of my friends that like I would,
• 1:44:14
  I could rebreak my nose just by the pressure of
• 1:44:16
  people like leaning on it all the time. I just
• 1:44:18
  don't want to get the surgery again.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: When I got my surgery, I was addicted, fully addicted
• 1:44:22
  to jiu jitsu. So I waited six weeks and I
• 1:44:23
  started rolling again.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: And how's your nose been?
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: It's fine, but I protected it and I told everybody
• 1:44:28
  that I was rolling with him and I just got
• 1:44:29
  no surgery. So please don't like crossface me if you're
• 1:44:32
  trying to get a real naked choke or something like that.
• 1:44:34
  You know, like there's certain guys that are real mean
• 1:44:37
  and they get they get your back and they'll fucking
• 1:44:40
  do you to lift your chin up. They'll they'll go
• 1:44:43
  forearm blade right into the nose, which I understand for competition,
• 1:44:47
  but for the gym, the problem is, like you could
• 1:44:49
  really break a guy's nose and then fuck him up
• 1:44:52
  for the rest of his life until he gets it fixed.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: What about now when you train, like, is it is
• 1:44:56
  it a concern?
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: I haven't been training a long time. I haven't been
• 1:44:58
  training over a year, no rolling it all in over
• 1:45:00
  a year. But it's not a concern. It works great,
• 1:45:04
  it's fine. If I got it broken and it was
• 1:45:06
  a problem, I definitely one percent get it fixed again.
• 1:45:09
  The benefits of being able to breathe out of your nose.
• 1:45:11
  And I've talked to a ton of fighters about this.
• 1:45:14
  Some of them are like, I'll wait till after I'm
• 1:45:15
  done fighting, But Dreca's DUPLESSI who's defending his title this weekend. Tricus.
• 1:45:20
  He started his career with a fucked up nose in
• 1:45:23
  the UFC, and it really affected his cardio. His mouth
• 1:45:25
  was wide open. He got it fixed and there was
• 1:45:28
  like this immediate bump in performance. I mean immediate. For
• 1:45:31
  sure he was getting better along the way, and for
• 1:45:34
  sure he was, you know, figuring out how to tightening up,
• 1:45:37
  tighten up his techniques, and he's just an animal, right,
• 1:45:40
  But on top of that, having that nose fixed was
• 1:45:42
  a significant difference. He didn't have to have his mouth
• 1:45:44
  open all the time.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: There's an ideal way to breathe. If you can just
• 1:45:47
  breathe your nose right.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: It limits your cardio in a significant way. I noticed
• 1:45:51
  like a ten percent bump in cardios. What it felt
• 1:45:53
  like to me, like I could feel the difference in
• 1:45:55
  being able to breathe out of my nose and also
• 1:45:57
  to be able to bite down on your mouthpiece, like
• 1:46:00
  if you're really clamping down on something and you could
• 1:46:02
  still breathe perfectly. That was huge, Yeah, because before you'd
• 1:46:07
  have to squeeze while your mouth is open. That's terrible.
• 1:46:11
  Like you if you want to squeeze on something, you
• 1:46:13
  want to be like this. You want to feel like
• 1:46:14
  fucking arm and you can't. You can't bite down. I
• 1:46:18
  want They've done studies on that, right, like people lifting
• 1:46:21
  stuff with like certain mouthpieces in and certain mouthpieces actually
• 1:46:25
  increase their strength.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: Power lifters use them, right, Yeah, I think.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: They do it for sure. Also to not break your teeth,
• 1:46:32
  because uh, I went to a dentist once and the
• 1:46:34
  dentists like, yo, like microfractures on all your teeth. You like,
• 1:46:38
  do you do you lift weights? And I go, yeah,
• 1:46:40
  you like you're clenching your teeth all the time. Yeah,
• 1:46:43
  So I stopped doing that so much, and I definitely started.
• 1:46:46
  I worked out with a mouthpiece for a long time,
• 1:46:48
  like lifting, But I think there's a certain mouthpiece that
• 1:46:51
  they designed that sets your jaw in a certain way
• 1:46:54
  that it actually enhances your strength. There's like some sort
• 1:46:58
  of a connection between like having your job perfectly aligned
• 1:47:02
  and clamping down in this mouthpiece that allows you to
• 1:47:04
  actually lift more weight. Find out that's true, because I
• 1:47:08
  know that that was definitely a marketing claim for this
• 1:47:11
  mouthpiece thing. But I just don't remember much of it.
• 1:47:14
  But I remember, like looking into it years ago. It
• 1:47:17
  was like a weird mouthpiece with like the bottom had
• 1:47:19
  like a whole cut.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: Into it, so that I know grunting is supposed to
• 1:47:23
  help you lift more weights.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: That makes sense. That's why they keep it out of
• 1:47:26
  that fitness place. They get mad at you because that's
• 1:47:28
  no planet fits fitness.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: I did secause I was looking at all these studies
• 1:47:32
  increased strength performance, you know, when I was studying all
• 1:47:34
  this stuff, and I was like, grunting.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: That's so crazy that if you if you lift weights
• 1:47:38
  there too loud, they sound an alarm and they kick
• 1:47:41
  you out. You try to art the lunk alarm alarm.
• 1:47:47
  It's funny.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: It's safe for those people who want to be there.
• 1:47:49
  It's a nice, safe environment.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it, But also don't you want to
• 1:47:54
  be inspired by someone who's working out really hard? Like
• 1:47:56
  if I go to the gym and there's a guy there, like, whoa,
• 1:47:58
  that guy's there to watch that guy some crazy routine
• 1:48:01
  as long as he's nice, Like, what do you care
• 1:48:03
  if he's grunting.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: But that's kind of society, right, We got the padded
• 1:48:07
  walls in many places for people.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it intimidates people, it scares them, and
• 1:48:12
  then maybe people. What is this Jamie mouthpiece? Yeah, that's it.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's proven.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if it's proven either. But is
• 1:48:21
  this official mouthpiece of the world's strongest man boosting muscular
• 1:48:26
  force and power? Huh? It's patented. So how does it work?
• 1:48:30
  Does it say how it works?
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 4: I was looking. I didn't see any.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: This is.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 4: That's what it says.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: The thing is, if you believe it works, it probably works.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: Designed to absorb clenching while guiding optimal tongue positioning during
• 1:48:45
  high stress exertion. M I don't know. But being able
• 1:48:53
  to breathe out he knows as giant kids. So if
• 1:48:55
  you don't have that, if you've got that problem, get
• 1:48:58
  it fixed.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: What do you think about it? If you can weed
• 1:49:01
  in fighting? Because I'm gonna ask you a couple different questions.
• 1:49:03
  When I was living in LA I knew this neuroscientist
• 1:49:06
  and we ran like a little fun study where I
• 1:49:09
  was a big stoner. So he had me stop smoking
• 1:49:11
  weed for two weeks. I think it was. He tested me,
• 1:49:15
  did all these brain tests with me, and then he
• 1:49:17
  tested me two weeks afterwards, and I played football at box, right,
• 1:49:21
  so a lot of hits to the head. And he
• 1:49:24
  said that without weed, he showed like it showed that
• 1:49:27
  I had a fair amount of like brain damage, Like
• 1:49:30
  my brain wasn't functional. They would when I smoked weed
• 1:49:33
  went back in there. He said, there was some kind
• 1:49:34
  of like neuroprotective effect where like I was, my brain
• 1:49:38
  was like registering as more healthy.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: Wasn't part of the problem CTE in any kind of
• 1:49:46
  brain issue. In general, part of the problem is inflammation, right, Yeah,
• 1:49:50
  isn't it. That's one of the things that they say,
• 1:49:53
  like changing your gut bacteria has an effect on mood.
• 1:49:57
  You know, there are a lot of people that have
• 1:49:58
  like real guts.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: Weed creases information in the break.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we certainly increases decreases rather inflammation, and that's
• 1:50:06
  why people use it for pain management, people with sore backs,
• 1:50:10
  and yeah, people going through chemotherapy. It also improves your
• 1:50:15
  appetite for people going through chemo because it's hard for
• 1:50:17
  them to eat. But we'd most certainly can help with
• 1:50:22
  pain management with some kinds of pain. I know some
• 1:50:24
  people that have tried it for like debilitating pain, and
• 1:50:27
  it just doesn't do a damn thing. It just makes
• 1:50:29
  him almost more aware of it. But it's variable, man,
• 1:50:33
  because I was just Jamie, who's the guy who killed
• 1:50:37
  Bin Laden? You know that Navy seal guy who kill
• 1:50:39
  Bin Laden? He's on Yeah, he's on Instagram, right, but
• 1:50:48
  let's say his full name out of respect. Well, how
• 1:50:51
  about look it up and find his instagram because he
• 1:50:57
  he has something to do with the cannabis business. And
• 1:51:00
  uh like, this guy's just super badass tip of the
• 1:51:05
  Spear Special Forces operator. Right, and there it is Robert O'Neill.
• 1:51:11
  Go to his see if you can find his instagram.
• 1:51:15
  It's what does it say he helped? That's him. It says,
• 1:51:17
  uh set to pedal pot in New York City and
• 1:51:20
  said it helps get rid of the noise. He's also
• 1:51:22
  an advocate for I be again. He's done again, I
• 1:51:27
  think multiple times, but click on. Go to his Instagram page, Jamie,
• 1:51:31
  if you could, I forget it's like mister Huya or
• 1:51:35
  something like that. But he said that it helps him
• 1:51:40
  go to sleep at night, helps him relax and go
• 1:51:42
  to sleep at night. Like there's there's scroll down, go
• 1:51:46
  back to the grid and scroll down. There's him in
• 1:51:49
  an actual pot farm, like his own pot farm. In
• 1:51:53
  there like where they grow all the stuff that he
• 1:51:57
  he sells.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: That makes sense because it has that disassociate effect right right,
• 1:52:01
  and so it's easier maybe to get out of your head.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: But it flies in the face of this very public narrative,
• 1:52:10
  which is pot is for lazy people, pot is for losers.
• 1:52:13
  Pot's gonna rot your brain, Pot's gonna make you stink,
• 1:52:16
  Pot's gonna make you an idiot. Can't find it, Yeah,
• 1:52:20
  I don't know where it is. Maybe that's the far
• 1:52:24
  right one with his hands outstretched like Jesus, that's the
• 1:52:27
  one him talking about eyebigain. And I looked at that
• 1:52:31
  Mike hu Yah on Instagram. What a guy like that
• 1:52:34
  is smoking weed? You get you got to throw it
• 1:52:36
  out the window, all your preconceived It's like everybody is
• 1:52:42
  biologically different, and for some people alcohol just fucks them up.
• 1:52:47
  For some people, marijuana is a no go. It's not good.
• 1:52:50
  They freak out.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: But also some people, when you're a dog, you know,
• 1:52:54
  like we're docs, we like to get after it, we
• 1:52:55
  like to work out, we do things like I almost
• 1:52:58
  like when I was smoking weed every day to the
• 1:53:00
  guy who could be super fit to be training boxing
• 1:53:02
  every day and likes to be achieving my business. Smoke
• 1:53:05
  weed every day, Like I kind of took this like
• 1:53:07
  weird pride in it for some time as well, Like bro.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite things to do is to smoke
• 1:53:11
  weed and hit the bag.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: So meditative. Yeah, man, you also form goes out the
• 1:53:16
  window a little bit.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. For me. It's the opposite. For me.
• 1:53:19
  I feel everything Like for.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: Me, I feel just judging myself.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: The timing more when I'm hitting things, Like it feels
• 1:53:27
  more coordinated, Like when I'm throwing a kick, it's just whoop.
• 1:53:31
  Like I feel the time to like accelerate the time
• 1:53:35
  to get the hips into it at all. I'm more sensitive.
• 1:53:38
  It feels better like you you tune into it. It
• 1:53:42
  makes my pool game one hundred percent better.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: Really one it's.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: It's like steroids for pool.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: But I also hear you on the podcast when we've
• 1:53:50
  done it before, like you stay dialed in to a degree,
• 1:53:52
  like maybe you don't have the same recall.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: That's right, But that's that's the point that I was
• 1:53:56
  making earlier. It's different for everybody. It's not like I
• 1:53:59
  am different than other people's. There's people that don't think
• 1:54:02
  the way. I think they don't have life experiences that
• 1:54:04
  I have. They don't have the ability to manage like
• 1:54:06
  the weirdness that comes with weed, which the paranoia I like.
• 1:54:11
  I genuinely like.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: You kind of need.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: Do you like that?
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: Which is kind of question you little?
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't get too big for your breches. Yes, I
• 1:54:18
  like it. I like being scared. I think it's good
• 1:54:20
  for you as long as you use it wisely, like
• 1:54:25
  you take that weirdness like, oh, maybe I should go
• 1:54:28
  give him a call and explain myself better. Maybe I
• 1:54:30
  should reach out. Maybe I should do this. Maybe I
• 1:54:33
  should do that. Maybe I should like make it easier
• 1:54:35
  for these people. Maybe I should. You know, it makes
• 1:54:37
  me like very considerate, and I think it's a really
• 1:54:42
  potent tool for managing your state of mind. But that's
• 1:54:47
  just for me. I don't know how your mind works.
• 1:54:49
  I could would only be pretending, right, Like we're all
• 1:54:53
  on a different mind journey too. Right, If you're a
• 1:54:57
  person who was beaten by their parents and you were
• 1:55:01
  fucking mugged and then this happened to you, and that
• 1:55:04
  happened to you, and you got fucked over at work,
• 1:55:06
  and that here you are there, like that's very different
• 1:55:10
  than a person who's had a lot of success and
• 1:55:13
  been real lucky and got to a point and as
• 1:55:15
  a healthy mind, it's more nostalgic.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: You're kind of smoking what you're thinking about, you know,
• 1:55:18
  it gives you time to separate a little bit from
• 1:55:20
  being in the grind versus.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: Well, my point is like, if you're all fucked up,
• 1:55:24
  maybe pot's not for you. Yeah, right, if you're a
• 1:55:26
  real mess and you're like barely hanging on like to
• 1:55:29
  regular life, maybe freaking yourself out with potent THC is
• 1:55:34
  not the way to go these days. Yeah. Just what
• 1:55:37
  I'm getting at is like, maybe as your journey progresses
• 1:55:40
  and you get healthy and you get more confident and
• 1:55:43
  strong and more successful, maybe then yeah, maybe not even then,
• 1:55:46
  maybe that's not your thing. You have to be honest
• 1:55:49
  about what's your thing, you know. You have to find
• 1:55:52
  the problem with things being illegal is you don't have
• 1:55:54
  that opportunity. And then you have people that had bad
• 1:55:57
  personal experiences with it, and they're like, pot makes you stink,
• 1:56:00
  it makes you a dummy. Maybe it does that for you, okay,
• 1:56:02
  but it doesn't do that for me. For me, it
• 1:56:04
  makes me nicer to my friends. It makes me want
• 1:56:06
  to pet my dog, It makes me want to chill out.
• 1:56:09
  It's like, it makes me want to have fun with
• 1:56:11
  my friends, makes me want to laugh. It doesn't make
• 1:56:15
  me stay well. It probably makes me stake, but it
• 1:56:19
  doesn't make me any dumber, that's for sure. And it
• 1:56:23
  makes me more inquisitive. It makes me more interested in,
• 1:56:27
  for sure, subjects that I have no understanding of that
• 1:56:31
  are fascinating, like cosmology. There's nothing like getting high and
• 1:56:35
  watching a space documentary just to try to put it
• 1:56:38
  into perspective, like what it is worth living in? What
• 1:56:42
  is the reality of the physical universe and its majesty
• 1:56:46
  that's above your head every day? Like that is when
• 1:56:49
  you're high, you're like, how am I not paying attention
• 1:56:51
  to this? This is really a crazy thing that this
• 1:56:54
  is probably the most profound experience that a person could
• 1:56:58
  ever have in their lives on a planet, going through space,
• 1:57:02
  and we completely take it for granted.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think to a degree, it's good to have
• 1:57:05
  some kind of cadence where you have something that allows
• 1:57:08
  you to kind of step back from yourself.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's great. Could be just meditative like
• 1:57:13
  breathing exercises, yoga class. Yeah, doing something or running, that's
• 1:57:18
  what I think. That's a lot of the high of running.
• 1:57:20
  You know when people like really exert themselves, like you're
• 1:57:23
  just thinking about your breath, you're just getting after it
• 1:57:28
  and you're five six miles in and when you're done,
• 1:57:31
  you're like, Wow, that runners high is one hundred percent reel.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, reel.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: And that's how they're getting it, and that's how they're
• 1:57:43
  separating themselves. And I think a person who can regularly
• 1:57:46
  run on a regular basis on miles and miles miles,
• 1:57:49
  that's a special person. That's a very unusual person. That's
• 1:57:53
  a person of will you know, a person who could
• 1:57:57
  just at any time you can just tag them, let's
• 1:57:59
  go run, and they can run. Like that's what Goggins
• 1:58:01
  and cam Haynes do to each other, these fucking psychopaths. Yeah,
• 1:58:03
  Camaynes like calls gog and say, hey, I'm in Vegas,
• 1:58:06
  let's go running, And so Goggins calls out spot check,
• 1:58:10
  Like if you have a true friend, he spot checks.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: Yet.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those motherfuckers ran a marathon in the streets of
• 1:58:16
  Las Vegas. They ran twenty six miles just because Yeah,
• 1:58:20
  at like a six minute mile pace like bananas, just bananas,
• 1:58:25
  like go out of nowhere, like you didn't know why
• 1:58:26
  I was coming. I call you, let's go, let's go running,
• 1:58:30
  Let's see what's up. And the two fucking complete total
• 1:58:33
  psychopaths running twenty six miles in the Las Vegas heat
• 1:58:37
  nuts sick. Yeah. So there's people like that out there
• 1:58:41
  that are just different and their their journey to be
• 1:58:45
  different is taking a long time to get to where
• 1:58:48
  they are right now.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: What are your beliefs around because I have mine just
• 1:58:51
  from my experience. What do you believe on where they
• 1:58:53
  were before they were born? Do you think that this
• 1:58:56
  is they have something in them because of a previous life?
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. That's a good question if previous
• 1:59:05
  lives were true proven to be true, which right now
• 1:59:08
  they're not. It's like just an idea because you can't know.
• 1:59:10
  How could you know? But a lot of people and
• 1:59:12
  a lot of religions and a lot of different cultures
• 1:59:14
  have believed.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: But there's actually, I think what university maybe University of Virginia,
• 1:59:20
  there's a whole department that's studying people who've had these
• 1:59:22
  like near death experiences that are going back and talking
• 1:59:24
  about previous lives.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: It's an interesting question, but there's no there's no evidence, right,
• 1:59:31
  there's no data, Jamie.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen this or heard of it.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, even if these people have stories, unless
• 1:59:38
  they have stories that match up with historical facts.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think it is oftentimes. I think it's
• 1:59:43
  like you have, like some kids who are just telling
• 1:59:46
  you about someone else's life and they should not.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: Know it, but they like I have heard those stories,
• 1:59:50
  but I don't know if those are real. Because one
• 1:59:52
  of the problems is people bullshit and they you know,
• 1:59:55
  they make things out to be a little bit more
• 1:59:58
  profound than they are, so it makes for a better story,
• 2:00:00
  and if you're a true believer, maybe even juice up
• 2:00:02
  the results a little bit. It's hard to know. Yeah,
• 2:00:04
  but I'm not opposed to the idea of a reincarnation,
• 2:00:08
  and I'm not opposed to the idea that some people
• 2:00:10
  are just special, because it seems like that's real. It
• 2:00:13
  seems like there's certain people that just emerge and there's
• 2:00:16
  just something about them, and it's not necessarily just the
• 2:00:20
  hard work, you know, it's not necessarily just the mindset.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 3: There's something I like the framework of it of thinking
• 2:00:25
  about this infinite game, you know, because then someone that's like, well,
• 2:00:28
  why am I going to do this?
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: Work?
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: Like this sounds like a lot of work, all this
• 2:00:31
  self introspection. It's like to understand that, like, you're playing
• 2:00:34
  this infinite game, and if you deal with your shit now,
• 2:00:36
  then your life is going to be more peaceful and
• 2:00:38
  have more flow in the future. If you don't deal
• 2:00:40
  with it, this is just you know, you're just kicking
• 2:00:42
  the ball down the road.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's true. At least it is.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 3: True in this life, and I don't know, I feel
• 2:00:48
  it could be true in your next one as.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: Well, if you have a next one. I mean, that's
• 2:00:52
  the thing. It's like, maybe it's not as simple as that.
• 2:00:56
  We're just assuming every time we wake up that we're
• 2:00:58
  in the same timeline. But just the idea of going
• 2:01:02
  to sleep is really kooky. It's really kooky. You know.
• 2:01:06
  You just you decide to close your eyes every night
• 2:01:08
  and you just disconnect from physical reality for hours at
• 2:01:11
  a time, and it's necessary and we all just take
• 2:01:15
  it for granted.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: Where do we go?
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, normal, I don't know where we go, but I
• 2:01:18
  go to a lot of zombies do you really. Oh yeah,
• 2:01:20
  I have a lot of zombie dreams. I have a
• 2:01:22
  lot of Last night, I had a great zombie apocalypse dream.
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 3: We need a dream interpreter in here.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I don't think I have a whole lot
• 2:01:30
  of confidence in the human race keeping it together. And
• 2:01:33
  I'm at the very best. I'm like sixty forty plus
• 2:01:36
  that we're going to figure it out. But that forty percent, yeah,
• 2:01:40
  like maybe this week. Fucking knows. It's all dependent upon
• 2:01:45
  what kind of disaster takes place, you know, it's all
• 2:01:48
  dependent upon what kind of shit goes down. And when
• 2:01:51
  you look historically, shit has always gone down when people
• 2:01:55
  thought shit could never go down. And that's us right now.
• 2:01:58
  And that's why zombie movies work.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why they're making them way infiltrating into
• 2:02:03
  your brain.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I started watching twenty eight years later. James, Oh yeah,
• 2:02:07
  that'll do it. I shut that bitch off. I was
• 2:02:09
  about to go to bed. I was like, it was
• 2:02:10
  like eight o'clock at night. I'm like, let me watch this.
• 2:02:12
  I'm like, no, no, no, I figured it out ten
• 2:02:14
  to fifteen minutes where they I don't want to say
• 2:02:16
  what happens. I don't want spoil you to watch some
• 2:02:18
  Barney after that, But right away I was like, Okay,
• 2:02:20
  this is one where I'm gonna have to do hours
• 2:02:22
  before I go to sleep because them zombie dreams.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 3: Even watching like the Halsey Dragon Game of Thrones, like
• 2:02:28
  some gruesome stulf before bed.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like real hardcore, like realistic violence is rough before
• 2:02:35
  you go to sleep.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, just what I know about the mind, how
• 2:02:38
  subconscious works, like, it's just obviously every time I go
• 2:02:40
  to bed, I'm like, you shouldn't have done.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: That, for sure. For sure. Here's what's interesting, though, I
• 2:02:45
  can watch brutal fights and sleep like a baby. That
• 2:02:48
  seems weird. Wonder what that's weird because that's real violence, right.
• 2:02:51
  The stuff that I'm seeing in the movies I know
• 2:02:53
  is horseshit.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for some reason, it feels more controlled.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I'm just used to it, Honestly.
• 2:03:01
  I think it's like everything else. I think. You know,
• 2:03:03
  there's a lot of doctors that they'll tell you, if
• 2:03:05
  they're being honest with you, that there comes a time
• 2:03:08
  when people die that it doesn't affect them the same anymore.
• 2:03:11
  You know, they're so used to people dying, especially like
• 2:03:14
  emergency room doctors dealing with like traumatic injuries, and you
• 2:03:18
  get accustomed to people dying.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: I think it's also the idea of like evil though,
• 2:03:22
  you know, if you're watching something, you're seeing evil take
• 2:03:24
  place versus like for me, when I watch MMA, I'm like,
• 2:03:27
  I know these guys, like I see I love these guys.
• 2:03:31
  You know, I've never met I've never worked with a
• 2:03:32
  guy who I love. They all have great hearts, and
• 2:03:34
  like I feel this genuine like goodness, Like I haven't
• 2:03:38
  met that many guys. I don't know them all, but
• 2:03:41
  like when I see it, I don't see like evil.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of really really really good guys and
• 2:03:46
  good women that fight in MMA, and it's because of
• 2:03:49
  what we talked about before. They've gone through something insanely difficult.
• 2:03:52
  They're a very special person. Even people that you don't
• 2:03:55
  think are like great people like like Sean Strickland, super controversial,
• 2:04:00
  well sewn Strickling is a fucking great guy. If you
• 2:04:02
  get him alone, you talk to him, he's a great guy.
• 2:04:04
  He's super smart, super disciplined, saved up a ton of money.
• 2:04:07
  You know, he was talking the other day about like
• 2:04:09
  he's got like four million bucks saved Super Smart Man
• 2:04:12
  for him. Yeah, so he could retire at any moment,
• 2:04:14
  live a simple life and never work again, you know.
• 2:04:17
  And he's not. But he's outrageous. You know, he's outrageous,
• 2:04:21
  says wild shit. But it's also it's like, what do
• 2:04:25
  you expect from the way that guy grew up? Like
• 2:04:27
  he didn't grow up the way you grow He's got
• 2:04:28
  someone to result of trauma one hundred percent.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 3: And I don't know. This is something I think some
• 2:04:33
  fighters think about. It's like, if I get rid of
• 2:04:34
  my trauma, am I going to be weaker?
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 3: Do I need this at an age? I don't believe
• 2:04:38
  they do. That's been my experience.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think they do either. But then again,
• 2:04:43
  some fighters that go and do ayahuasca and they come
• 2:04:45
  back and they're not Yeah, they say that happened to
• 2:04:50
  Deontay Deontay Wilder went and did Iawa really came back.
• 2:04:54
  He's just it's a little too peaceful. It's hard to say, though, because.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 3: That before or after the Tyson Fury fighter after.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: So that's the problem. It's like we might be drawing
• 2:05:02
  a force a fake correlation here because those types and
• 2:05:05
  Fury fights were fucking brutal. Yeah, they were brutal.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 3: I feel like speaking of belief, right, he had an
• 2:05:10
  identity that was bulletproof, that was unbreakable. And I watched
• 2:05:14
  all the excuses.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah no offense, Yeah, no offense, no offense. But his
• 2:05:18
  excuses were kind of crazy.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my product of like he believed he was unbeatable,
• 2:05:23
  so he had to come up with something to tell
• 2:05:25
  the story about how he lost for himself. It wasn't
• 2:05:28
  even I don't even think those malicious. I think he
• 2:05:30
  was trying to cope with what is this reality? Now?
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, what he was was a spectacular puncher who
• 2:05:36
  wasn't a real fluid and movement based boxer. Right, He
• 2:05:43
  wasn't a guy like usiks is the most fluid movement
• 2:05:47
  based boxer the heavyweight division has scene since Muhammad Ali. Right,
• 2:05:51
  So what he was was what Teddy Atlas calls the eraser.
• 2:05:55
  Like all the mistakes he made, it was one right
• 2:05:57
  hand and they were they were a rased that he's
• 2:06:00
  the most spectacular one punch knockout artists in the history
• 2:06:02
  of the sport. I think, I mean his powers and
• 2:06:05
  not a big guy, not in comparison. He thought Tyson
• 2:06:08
  Fury the first time he told me he was two nine,
• 2:06:10
  that's crazy and flatlined him in like what the eleventh round, Oh,
• 2:06:14
  the twelfth right dropped him in the twelfth minute left
• 2:06:17
  or time. But that twelfth round changed the course of
• 2:06:20
  the rematches because Tyson Fury realized that if he goes
• 2:06:22
  after Deontae and he gets him on his back foot,
• 2:06:24
  he doesn't fight as well. And so then he figured
• 2:06:26
  it out and he just took it to him, and
• 2:06:28
  then he took it to him the second fight and
• 2:06:29
  took it to him in the third fight. But yeah,
• 2:06:31
  it's hard when you hear a guy like that make excuses,
• 2:06:34
  but you understand you do more than anybody the destruction
• 2:06:38
  of the belief system and how difficult it is for
• 2:06:40
  fighters to manage that.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you do the work to rebuild it afterwards,
• 2:06:44
  you're stronger.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: Right, But you have to do the work right. And
• 2:06:47
  for a lot of guys, again, they don't totally know
• 2:06:50
  where to start. Like say, if they have a camp
• 2:06:52
  and inside their camp they have a trainer, they have
• 2:06:54
  the strength conditioning guy, they have you know, different coaches
• 2:06:58
  for different aspects of their whatever, they're doing, whether it's
• 2:07:01
  a stretch coach or a boxing coach or you know,
• 2:07:03
  whatever it is. But they don't have a mental guy.
• 2:07:06
  You know, they don't have someone who works with you
• 2:07:09
  and really make sure that your mind has the tools
• 2:07:12
  to manage itself out of there. And they don't know
• 2:07:14
  where to start, Like where do you if you're a
• 2:07:16
  guy in your training, you know, what's any contender? And
• 2:07:20
  then he gets knocked out and he comes back from
• 2:07:21
  that knockout and you're rebuilding him, but he's got all
• 2:07:23
  these confidence issues now, like where do you even look
• 2:07:26
  like if you like, I got to help this guy
• 2:07:28
  get back on track mentally getting back to where he
• 2:07:31
  was for it, Like he got caught. It happens, but
• 2:07:34
  he's still an amazing boxer and he's just got to
• 2:07:36
  recover from this and he can still get back on
• 2:07:38
  the horse and still be a world champion. But where
• 2:07:40
  do they even start, you know, if they don't know you,
• 2:07:43
  and where they.
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 3: Start, Well, I think they start by going through the
• 2:07:46
  process of just feeling into it, and it's always diving
• 2:07:49
  into the where you don't want to go, right, It's okay,
• 2:07:53
  what are the insecurities coming up? Now? Where the fear
• 2:07:55
  is coming up with the doubts. Usually we try to
• 2:07:57
  like stay in her head and escape that. It's about
• 2:07:59
  going in to it, feeling feeling into it and then
• 2:08:02
  seeing what comes up there and even like writing it
• 2:08:05
  down and just bringing it into awareness. Once you have
• 2:08:07
  awareness of it, then you can actually do something.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: Then you can manage it. Yes, yeah, So this book,
• 2:08:13
  how long does it take you to write it?
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 3: Ah, like six months?
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: The Success Code well was a year. But with that
• 2:08:19
  performance playbook for eliminating mental barriers and scaling your career,
• 2:08:26
  relationships and health. So did you think about like different
• 2:08:29
  approaches to like different kinds of occupations, in different kinds
• 2:08:33
  of ways people are living their life and how it applies.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 3: So the first half of the book is my story.
• 2:08:38
  It's kind of like, Okay, I'm trying to build rapports,
• 2:08:41
  so I tell people this is how I learned all
• 2:08:43
  this stuff, this is how it worked for me. These
• 2:08:44
  are my client stories. So by the end of the
• 2:08:47
  first part, either are like this guy's full of shit
• 2:08:49
  or I believe you right, And then the playbook starts
• 2:08:52
  and it is something that anyone can use because it's
• 2:08:54
  it's simple stuff like it starts with like greade the
• 2:08:57
  different areas of your life from one to ten, right,
• 2:08:59
  and then looking at closing the gap in each area.
• 2:09:02
  If you're like, my career is at a four, I
• 2:09:04
  want it to be out of ten. Okay, let's get
• 2:09:06
  the low hanging fruit of like, what are some of
• 2:09:08
  the things you need to stop doing that vodka? All right,
• 2:09:10
  the vodka. Let's cut that out right.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: Those three glasses in the morning.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And just going through that auditing system of
• 2:09:17
  understanding like what's holding you back? What you needing more
• 2:09:19
  conscious conchancious about, And then I start getting into the
• 2:09:23
  training for the mind later on.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: Do this system this writing this stuff down and having
• 2:09:28
  these numbers? Is this something that you invented? This is
• 2:09:31
  something you learned?
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, something I invented.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. So you just how did you come to
• 2:09:36
  that conclusion that that's how you should do it? Works?
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, disc works works.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 1: For you, works for clients, clients. So when you first
• 2:09:44
  started doing it, was it sort of like, who, what's
• 2:09:48
  the best way to mentally manage this situation for this person?
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 3: Just trying to solve their problems, That's all I'm trying
• 2:09:54
  to do, Just being really creative my problem solving, and
• 2:09:57
  so over the years I just picked up better tools.
• 2:09:59
  I've gotten better at practicing things to be able to
• 2:10:01
  solve problems better. I wanted to be full time with
• 2:10:04
  this at twenty two years old. Wasn't gonna happen. I
• 2:10:06
  just didn't have the experience did and have enough tools.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: That's so young to want to help other people, you know,
• 2:10:12
  like most people at twenty two were trying to help themselves. Yeah.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 3: It just it worked for me so much, and it
• 2:10:17
  transformed my life so much that I was like, well,
• 2:10:20
  this is what I'm supposed to do. I want to
• 2:10:22
  help other people with this.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: Interesting, So how did it transform your life? Like, what
• 2:10:26
  were the big benefits?
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 3: What wore we beginning? I would say it started just
• 2:10:31
  with coming back the next season and playing football. I
• 2:10:34
  went from riding the bench to becoming a starter to
• 2:10:36
  being one of the best players in our team. So
• 2:10:38
  it helped me with football. First, I was like, all right, cool,
• 2:10:41
  that helped. Then I started to get actually confidence from
• 2:10:45
  being able to help other people, which I didn't have before.
• 2:10:47
  I was never something because football. I was like, okay,
• 2:10:49
  I wasn't great at it, but once I learned the skill,
• 2:10:52
  actually started to build confidence and just learned to manage
• 2:10:56
  my own state, my anxiety, my performance anxiety, starting to
• 2:11:00
  feel confident. So for the first ten years or so
• 2:11:04
  about knowing about this play, first more like nine years,
• 2:11:07
  I was mostly using more elementary meditation techniques, some hypnosis,
• 2:11:12
  some NLP. It wasn't until I'd say about seven years
• 2:11:17
  ago that I started going deep into the beliefs and
• 2:11:20
  that transferred my life in a major way. I mean,
• 2:11:22
  one thing I did recently was I had hypothiroidism and
• 2:11:25
  I was able to completely heal that naturally.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: How did you do that?
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 3: Change in all the underwriting beliefs? And then everything, Right,
• 2:11:32
  everything I do with any client, it's the same thing
• 2:11:34
  I wen do for me. It's holistic. So of course
• 2:11:36
  I went through a huge gut cleanse, right, because a
• 2:11:39
  gut is everything, it's the foundation. So did a lot
• 2:11:42
  of fasting, elimination diet, cutting out almost all foods except
• 2:11:46
  for a few boiled chicken, bowl carrius, coconut oil. Started
• 2:11:50
  slowly noticing how I felt as I started to increase
• 2:11:55
  the portion and started to bring other foods in.
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: I did red light therapy.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 3: There's some good red light therapy research out there for
• 2:12:01
  the thyroid, if you just put it on. There's a
• 2:12:03
  study they showed that people were able to cut their
• 2:12:05
  medication in half just by using the infrared.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 3: Whoa light therapy. Yeah, it's good for a ton of things,
• 2:12:10
  great for the gut. So I just started synchronousy.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 3: I met this lady on the beach in Miami Beach
• 2:12:16
  who studies this stuff, red light therapy specifically for the gut,
• 2:12:18
  and I was like, what about the thyroid, and she's like, yeah,
• 2:12:21
  of course it'll help. It's light, light heels everything. So
• 2:12:23
  I just started researching it. So it was all I
• 2:12:26
  did a lot of things. I cut out caffeine this year.
• 2:12:28
  That was a big thing that I don't think caffeine
• 2:12:30
  creates hypotherioidism, But for me, when I turned on that gene,
• 2:12:34
  right epigenetics, I turned on the gene for I didn't
• 2:12:37
  have to have this, but like my mom has, my
• 2:12:38
  brother has it, and so I had the gene and
• 2:12:40
  I put it on through stress, through excessive caffeine and
• 2:12:44
  just a very stressful life in my mid twenties. So
• 2:12:47
  the way he turned off was turn off that things
• 2:12:49
  are associated with that stress response. So pulling out the
• 2:12:52
  caffeine just put me more on the parasympathetic nervous system,
• 2:12:55
  allowed me to relax more, and then yeah, all this
• 2:12:58
  stuff and just noticing the fears come up when I
• 2:13:02
  pull away the things I like, right, the comfort of
• 2:13:04
  the food, the comfort of the caffeine, just all my
• 2:13:07
  things that I like, all the comfort and just seeing
• 2:13:10
  with the fears that came out through that and just
• 2:13:12
  recoding it, recoding it. This is gonna sound very woo woo,
• 2:13:15
  but I was taking the medication because you know, if
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  you ask a doctor, they tell you have to take
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  this medication for the rest of your life, right, and
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  they get mad that you even ask about what an
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  alternative is. Like I've had doctors be like, be grateful,
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  you just have to take a pill, like get out
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  of here. But there was actually experience I had two
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  years ago where a doctor wouldn't give me my medication
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  even though my blood didn't change. He said, oh, you're
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  gonna have to come back in here every three months.
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  I want to monitor. He tried to put me on
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  subscription plan to pay more money just to keep getting it,
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  and it was like flip something. I was like, I'm
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  not doing this.
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  Speaker 1: Anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, I'm gonna find a way to get off this medication.
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  Speaker 1: It's just this is something that RFK juniors trying to
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  stop his financial incentive.
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  Speaker 3: The gatekeeper of this medication.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the financial incentives is a subscribe prescribed thing and
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  then gatekeeping whether or not you can get useful medications.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of crazy, yeah, but yeah, So I just had
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  I did all these things very holistically, right mm hmm,
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  doing soldo, I'm doing all these things, and then just
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  feeling into my body one day it was just like
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  intuition just told me. It was like, hey, you're done,
• 2:14:19
  you don't need anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. And so what I did, of course, I asked
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  chat GIPT.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I can't just stop taking it, and
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  it said take one day on one day off.
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  Speaker 1: I did that.
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  Speaker 3: By the third day of taking it again, my body
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  rejected it. I felt terrible. I felt like a depletion
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  of energy.
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  Speaker 1: It's just three days.
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  Speaker 3: The third day of not taking it, start third day
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  of taking it.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So I took it. I didn't take it.
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  Speaker 3: In the day that I took it again, my body
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  rejected it, and I was like, I get it. I'm
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  done and I haven't touched it.
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  Speaker 1: Since that's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: But I think there's a lot of things like that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I wonder if that that study that shows that
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  visualization increases physical strength, Like I want, I really wonder
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  if there's if you have the ability to accentuate healing
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  if you just concentrate, Like if you get an injury
• 2:15:06
  and the injury is gonna heal, but if concentrating on
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  that injury helps it heal more. But how many people
• 2:15:12
  actually do that? Right? How many people actually really visualize something?
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  Speaker 3: Well, even just the placebo effect of thinking you got it.
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  So there's a study I think it is done on
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  ACL surgeries. Could be miniscus. There's one of these knee
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  surgeries where they took two groups. They give one one
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  group the surgery, the other group they just cut their
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  knee open and the soda write back up same results
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  over whatever.
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  Speaker 1: They can't be ACL surgery because ACL is a stabilizing ligament.
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  Speaker 3: It was one of these knee surgeries. Yeah, and they
• 2:15:43
  had the same results.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense that that seems out here. That
• 2:15:47
  seems a little wacky because a CL's are that's a
• 2:15:51
  maybe a center that keeps it from moving side to side,
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  up and down.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe it's meniscus.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe that makes more sense. Meniscus or are rough because
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  when they take it out, then you have this hole there.
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  You have like a gap missing depending on how much takeout.
• 2:16:06
  And some guys get a bunch of their meniscus taken out.
• 2:16:08
  Guys even get like artificial meniscus put in or don
• 2:16:11
  or meniscus. You know.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean, was that book.
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  Speaker 1: I think visualization is a factor and belief. Yeah, if
• 2:16:20
  you you're not going to regrow your ACL though with
• 2:16:22
  your brain, no, if it's not connected, get that ship fixed.
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  But because I know a lot of guys who didn't,
• 2:16:28
  and then eventually they did. I know a lot of
• 2:16:30
  guys got their ACL blown out and they just tried
• 2:16:32
  to rehabit, but it kept grinding. So they're always it's
• 2:16:35
  always slipping out. They're always tearing their meniscus more. And
• 2:16:38
  it's like, fuck, dude, just get it fixed, get it fixed.
• 2:16:41
  Six months later you'll be back on the mats. Get fixed, yeah,
• 2:16:45
  get fixed. Yeah.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 3: It's wild though, I mean, if you start going down
• 2:16:48
  this rabbit hole of seeing like how many placebo studies
• 2:16:51
  have been done. That's why it's so hard to find
• 2:16:52
  drugs that actually work.
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: This is weird.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 4: I think this is sort of okay, what does it say?
• 2:16:57
  One hundred and eighty patients osteoarthritis and use surgery.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: Were randomly assigned to receive arthroscopic debridement, arthroscopic lavage, or
• 2:17:07
  placebo surgery. Patients in the placebo group receive skin incisions
• 2:17:12
  and underwent a similar debridement without insertion of the arthroscope.
• 2:17:18
  Patients and assessors of the outcome were blinded to the
• 2:17:22
  treatment group assignment. Outcomes were assessed at multiple points over
• 2:17:26
  twenty four month period with the use of five self
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  reported scores, three on scales for pain and two on
• 2:17:31
  scales for function, and one objective test of walking and
• 2:17:35
  stare climbing. A total of one hundred and sixty five
• 2:17:38
  patients completed the trial. Results. At no point did either
• 2:17:42
  of the intervention group's report less pain or better function
• 2:17:46
  than the placebo group. Interesting, but this is just like
• 2:17:52
  I always wonder, like how bad was their injury? You
• 2:17:56
  know what are we talking about? How many people were there?
• 2:17:58
  How many people were in this group? One hundred and
• 2:18:00
  sixty five patients. Conclusions in this controlled trial involving patients
• 2:18:04
  with osteo arthritis of the needy. Outcomes after orthroscopic lavage
• 2:18:10
  or arthroscopic de bridement were no better than those after
• 2:18:14
  a placebo procedure. That's kind of nuts, man.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 3: And I think like it's weird how we talk about
• 2:18:19
  the placibo that way. It's kind of like diminishing it.
• 2:18:21
  It's like, yeah, look, it didn't work, but that's not
• 2:18:23
  what happened. That people believe they got the surgery.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: Right, That's the fucked up part about placebo effects. It's measurable,
• 2:18:29
  Like the benefits are measurable. Like with the people, did
• 2:18:33
  they did heal?
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 3: They did have less pain.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 1: The question is like would they have healed anyway without it?
• 2:18:39
  I don't know. Or is it because they believe that
• 2:18:41
  they were healed that it relaxed them and then they
• 2:18:45
  were thinking, Okay, it's healing now, I got the surgery.
• 2:18:48
  It's on the right track. It's getting better now. And
• 2:18:51
  maybe if they had that mindset, if they could figure
• 2:18:53
  out a way to make that mindset without the surgery,
• 2:18:54
  they could just do it. Yeah. Belief belief, all right, dude,
• 2:18:59
  the success code code. Did you have an audible or
• 2:19:02
  an audio version of this?
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 3: It's on Spotify's audible did you read it? I did
• 2:19:06
  read it.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: Nice, It's me I love read their own stuff. And
• 2:19:11
  a bunch of people sing your praises in the back
• 2:19:14
  of the book.
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 3: And you can look up my name because I rebranded
• 2:19:17
  it and I haven't changed the name on Spotify, So
• 2:19:20
  just look up brand apps and you'll find the book.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 1: What do you mean you rebranded the book? Yeah, it
• 2:19:24
  get called on Spotify. Program to fail. Okay, we'll let
• 2:19:26
  people know. Yeah, so they could.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 3: Program to fail on Audible.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, success code on all right? Beautiful, Thanks brother, all right,
• 2:19:34
  bye buddy.