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INTERVIEW: Daniel Caesar Talks 'Son of Spergy,' YesJulz, Trump, Resenting Societal Systems, Marriage + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day waiting.
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  Speaker 2: Breakfast club finish, y'all done morning.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody is d j en Vy just hilarious.
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  Speaker 4: Charlamagne the guy. We are the breakfast club Longla Roses
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  Speaker 4: here as well. We got a special guest in the building. Indeed,
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  Speaker 4: ladies and gentlemen, Daniel Season welcome.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: How you feel?
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  Speaker 1: Nobody yourself gets it? I'm great, I'm great. I I
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  Speaker 1: just got out of four eight hours of uh stomach
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  Speaker 1: not stomach flu. What's the other one?
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  Speaker 2: Bad?
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  Speaker 1: Bad sandwich? I feel I feel renewed. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: a new person. Oh yeah, you show.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't the stomach, but you know, the stomach virus
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  Speaker 3: was going around.
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  Speaker 1: I've been hearing about that, but it was like a
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  Speaker 1: day a day.
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  Speaker 3: That's the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: What a talented R and B singer you are?
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  Speaker 3: You are absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: I was listening to the Sun of Spurgey album for
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  Speaker 5: first I explained the title son a spur Spurgy is
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  Speaker 5: how he pronounce it, spurgy.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's my dad's. My dad's nickname is from Jamaica.
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  Speaker 1: He likes to anytime he's talking, he'll he'll go into
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  Speaker 1: a sermon at any moment. As a famous preacher called
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  Speaker 1: Charles Spurgeon, so they called him Spurgi when he was young.
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  Speaker 4: I want to I want to go back a little
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  Speaker 4: bit if y'all don't mind for people that don't know
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  Speaker 4: who Daniel sees there is. Uh, you're from Canada, and
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  Speaker 4: tell tell everybody how you got.
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  Speaker 3: Into the music industry and and.
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  Speaker 4: Your background, your your father you said, is Jamaican, and
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  Speaker 4: break it down a little bit for people that don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, my my my dad was a singer back in
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  Speaker 1: Montego Bay. When he was singing. No well, I mean
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  Speaker 1: he always sang in the church since she was little.
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  Speaker 1: My grandmother heard that he could sing from school and
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  Speaker 1: she's like, if you're not singing church, on beat your ass.
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  Speaker 1: So uh, but he was like doing dinner music and
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  Speaker 1: stuff at hotels. You're making tourism industry. And so he
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  Speaker 1: ends up in Canada, meets my mom from Barbados and
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  Speaker 1: both me and Canada and uh, and then I'm like
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  Speaker 1: singing when I was little, it's kind of just it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of just all. I used to just run around
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  Speaker 1: the house, used to play by myself a lot. I
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  Speaker 1: would just like sprint up and down the house and
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  Speaker 1: I'd be singing to myself or whatever. And then yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then high school came around and they start smoking
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  Speaker 1: weed and going friends have studios and it's a long story.
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  Speaker 1: It's a long story. But yeah, around like high school,
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  Speaker 1: I got kicked out of school and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: it was around that time where I was like, the
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  Speaker 1: way this whole thing is set up, like I'm not
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  Speaker 1: about to I hate school. I'm really bad at school.
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  Speaker 1: I don't enjoy school. And then I was like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, one day I'm gonna finish school and then
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to get a job. And that's like
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  Speaker 1: school too. So I'm like, am I gonna do this
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  Speaker 1: the rest of my life? And I would rather die?
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  Speaker 2: Jes Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm serious, though, I saw I.
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  Speaker 2: Really feel like that. You feel like that at the
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  Speaker 2: time you don't want to die?
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't know. I didn't mean that literally,
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  Speaker 1: I would rather die. I don't want to die. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna do what I want. It's yeah, doing what I love.
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  Speaker 1: I don't just want to die for no. No, if
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna make me do something I don't want to do,
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you liberty or give me death. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean that revolution though not like you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean sometimes being alive is a revolutionary act. That is, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he don't want you. They're trying to control you,
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  Speaker 1: r make you be something that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So is it.
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  Speaker 4: True that your dad kicked you out the house and
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  Speaker 4: that's when you really took it serious.
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  Speaker 1: No, my dad did not kick me out of the house.
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  Speaker 1: When my dad did, which I respect as time passed,
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  Speaker 1: of course, he was like, you're not just gonna sit
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  Speaker 1: around here and and sing songs and not go to university.
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  Speaker 3: And he had a heavy Jamaican accent, I'm sure, so.
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  Speaker 1: It was only when he's angry. He actually has a
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  Speaker 1: great telephone voice forgetting and stuff like that. Yeah, He's like,
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  Speaker 1: you're not just gonna sit around here in my house
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  Speaker 1: and like not participate in this world that's going on
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  Speaker 1: outside the way that we think you should. So I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, then I'll you know, he's very
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  Speaker 1: strong willed. I'm also very strong willed, so I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'll live outside. It's honestly, you know what's crazy. I
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  Speaker 1: think if I was alive, like I don't know, five
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  Speaker 1: hundred years ago, I would have been like a pirate
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  Speaker 1: or a vagabond or something, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: But you would to be homeless.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to be homeless. I just didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to do anything that I didn't want to do.
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  Speaker 2: Where you did you leave the house and go be
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  Speaker 2: homeless though?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the streets. I was like CouchSurfing. You
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  Speaker 1: have friends and then there's always a home to It's
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  Speaker 1: just like I was very strong willed, so it's like
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  Speaker 1: there's always a home to go back to, but I
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  Speaker 1: have to go back under my father's rules, my father's
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I respect it respecfully.
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  Speaker 2: You have a homeless aesthetic.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean it's probably a thing going on.
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  Speaker 6: No, it's definitely not your hair. I love it hair.
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  Speaker 1: No, yeah, no, I did it on purpose.
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  Speaker 6: You are not strong willed. You are stubborn. That's what
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  Speaker 6: it was.
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  Speaker 7: You're stubborn as hell because you Joe, how old were
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  Speaker 7: you when you when your dad gave you that ultimatum?
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  Speaker 1: Uh?
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  Speaker 8: Seventeen, Okay, that's around the age where you like think you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, from my perspective, it turns out I didn't know,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Because it was wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, gotcha, And I believe and I also believe
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  Speaker 1: like they raised, they didn't raise a dummy, right, So
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of like I think everybody deep down knows
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  Speaker 1: what they should be doing, and then the universe is
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  Speaker 1: going to keep throwing things at you to suggest that
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  Speaker 1: you shouldn't be doing that to scare you. And like
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  Speaker 1: being homeless or being poor is very scary.
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  Speaker 2: Did you sing for like change?
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  Speaker 1: No? No, it was amazing. I don't want to throw
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  Speaker 1: it over dramatized. I had. I was a dishwasher.
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  Speaker 9: I think he went on on his own and figured
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  Speaker 9: it out, figured it out.
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  Speaker 5: But I want to hear about the signs that told
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  Speaker 5: you you should be singing. I know the signs that
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  Speaker 5: you know told you the things you shouldn't have been doing,
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  Speaker 5: But what were the signs that showed you you should
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  Speaker 5: be singing?
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  Speaker 1: My I remember, and I went to like this boarding school,
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  Speaker 1: like Christian Academy, and so on Friday nights it was
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  Speaker 1: seven day Adventists. So on Friday nights we would have vespers,
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  Speaker 1: kind of like Shabbat sort of situation. And I remember
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  Speaker 1: it was around that time when I was like all right,
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  Speaker 1: I used to play sports and I was like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not that great at sports. So I started singing
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  Speaker 1: and playing the piano and they had me perform at
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  Speaker 1: Vespers and I sang this song and I'd not even joke.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like thirty percent of the of the people
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  Speaker 1: in the audience were like sobbing and it was cool.
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  Speaker 1: It was very and it was like guys girls, some
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  Speaker 1: guys who their whole thing was like I'm tough, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like whatever. And I was like, oh, this is this
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  Speaker 1: is interesting, you know, like the power was was. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this is what I'm good at. I'm
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  Speaker 1: useful at this. I'm valuable when I do this, So
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  Speaker 1: why not just do this so I can feel valuable
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  Speaker 1: all the time, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: Did your pops when did your pops come back and
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  Speaker 4: be like you made the right decision? Or has that
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  Speaker 4: not happened yet?
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  Speaker 1: It has? And I mean probably, like I've played some
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  Speaker 1: pretty big shows, you know, they were at Madison Square Garden.
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  Speaker 1: That was one of them. Probably when we did in
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  Speaker 1: Toronto Budweiser Stadium or not stadium's out of stadium. It's
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  Speaker 1: a amphitheater. But it was just all those people singing
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  Speaker 1: the songs in here there he was like, Okay, I got.
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  Speaker 2: It now, and you honored him.
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  Speaker 5: You honored him, you know, by naming your albums on
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  Speaker 5: the spurge his face on the cover.
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  Speaker 2: How does he feel about that?
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  Speaker 1: You know what? He's so, he's just such an interesting guy.
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  Speaker 1: He's so cool. But what he did. I put out
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  Speaker 1: a letter talking about my experience with him before that
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  Speaker 1: came out, and that was the thing that really got
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  Speaker 1: him emotionally. But he's you know what I mean, He's
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  Speaker 1: not like, yeah, your dad, Yeah you should spell time
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  Speaker 1: you put me on.
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  Speaker 5: You know, You've been very open about like your struggles
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  Speaker 5: with identity and faith and self worth. I wonder, at
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  Speaker 5: this point in your life, who is Daniel Cesar still
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  Speaker 5: unlearning to be?
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I've been thinking that a lot lately. I
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  Speaker 1: internalize everything, so that's kind of how I moved to
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  Speaker 1: the world. I kind of. I think it's like, because
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  Speaker 1: my dad is such a he's an immovable force. So
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  Speaker 1: if I want something and I want to change his mind,
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  Speaker 1: you just can't. So You're like, when people exhibit behaviors
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  Speaker 1: around me and the world, I just assume that that's
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  Speaker 1: who they are. I don't like I don't believe in like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: what you did made me feel this way, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: you could change it, but know that's who you are.
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  Speaker 1: I'm either gonna and then it's like I don't like that,
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  Speaker 1: because then the next time you do it, I either
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  Speaker 1: have to be like, all right, I guess I'm just
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  Speaker 1: gonna take it now, or I'm eventually I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 1: have to separate from you, you know, So that sort
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  Speaker 1: of confrontation, it's like people are gonna be who they
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  Speaker 1: are until you decide what you're gonna do about it.
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  Speaker 1: And there's violence, or there's emotional violence, or there's running
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  Speaker 1: away detachment or detachment. And so I just always kind
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  Speaker 1: of went through the world like some people are like this,
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  Speaker 1: some people are like that. Then you internalize it and
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  Speaker 1: then I put the responsibility on myself. How am I
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  Speaker 1: going to get around this? How am I going to
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  Speaker 1: not let that stop me from where I'm trying to go.
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  Speaker 1: But then you don't realize what you sacrifice in yourself
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  Speaker 1: by not addressing some things when they happen in front
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  Speaker 1: of you, you know what I mean. And it's like
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  Speaker 1: and then you were like I am a crash out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and sometimes it kind of just jumps out
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  Speaker 1: of me at the wrong times because I'm not addressing
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  Speaker 1: the things when I'm supposed to address them.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: And then you're just like and sometimes and then you
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  Speaker 1: you think that makes you a good person by not
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  Speaker 1: trying to control other people, and then the way it
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  Speaker 1: becomes too much and then you you you crash out,
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  Speaker 1: and then you're like, damn, I wonder how many times
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  Speaker 1: I've hurt people that I care about because I was
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  Speaker 1: living my life in this way that I thought was right,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Because it usually you you
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  Speaker 1: go to work, then your your your asshole boss or
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  Speaker 1: whatever is is putting a shit on you, and then
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  Speaker 1: you take it and then you go home and then
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  Speaker 1: your kid asks you for the new PlayStation and you
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: yell at him, you know. And so it's just kind
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: of like the context of the world we live in.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like it is capitalism. It is like somebody's
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  Speaker 1: somebody's got to get screwed at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 1: It's exploitation. This whole shit is built off of exploitation.
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  Speaker 1: Someone's got to get it, and usually it's the weakest,
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  Speaker 1: most genuine, kindest, friendliest person I.
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  Speaker 5: Wonder why you internalize I guess other people's bullshit because
• 11:09
  Speaker 5: you know, I love the Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz,
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  Speaker 5: and one of his agreements is don't take anything personally
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  Speaker 5: because usually when somebody does some bullshit and you would
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  Speaker 5: have nothing to do with you and exactly what you
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  Speaker 5: just said, something that's going on with them.
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  Speaker 1: One hundred percent. But then sometimes it's also like pattern recognition,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Like why do you keep attracting these type of people?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like what about me? Makes it feel like
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  Speaker 1: because I because it's it's almost naivete where it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: if I go around through the world and I treat
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  Speaker 1: people with respect, then people will respect me. Right? Is
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  Speaker 1: not how it works? And then you're like, oh no,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you have to make people scared of you, and
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  Speaker 1: it's it's a Machiavellian like fear is stronger than love.
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  Speaker 8: You know, is there a part of it too that
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  Speaker 8: like maybe is there like a longing for something from
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  Speaker 8: those people? Because like you mentioned patterns, and are those
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  Speaker 8: patterns hurting you when you continue to see them happening
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  Speaker 8: because you're trying to figure out why you're not worthy
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  Speaker 8: of that changing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was very good.
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  Speaker 8: I think because you mentioned your relationship with your dad
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  Speaker 8: a lot. Yeah, and in your letter you talk about
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  Speaker 8: how he would warn you through he would talk to
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  Speaker 8: you through stories and warn you about how the world was,
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  Speaker 8: and he's like very stern and very strong. Somewhere in
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  Speaker 8: there it feels like, you know, there was a longing
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  Speaker 8: for something that you wanted from him, that he tried
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  Speaker 8: to give you, but it wasn't the way you did it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is the oldest story, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just but this, this record one hundred percent true,
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  Speaker 1: and this record is kind of just like I know
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  Speaker 1: that man very well, and in all things, he tries
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  Speaker 1: very hard, you know what I mean. He's a very
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  Speaker 1: principal man. He's an honest man. But just some things, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: get into it. They are just some things, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like Dad's dry, but there's just some things that Okay,
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  Speaker 1: my actual this is all connected, I promise well, my actual,
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  Speaker 1: real theory or real beef is just like, does it
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  Speaker 1: ever feel like like the the way that we structure
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  Speaker 1: societies in the West, the nuclear family, does it ever
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  Speaker 1: feel like that's not natural? So people like like you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, all the all the people
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  Speaker 1: that I know that are good at monogamy, are good
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  Speaker 1: at you know, just that sort of nuclear family, are white,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And so I'm just I'm not, what do
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  Speaker 1: you mean? You know all the people I'm talking about
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  Speaker 1: personally through my life, you know what I mean. And
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  Speaker 1: so this this excites this topic excitement, and I'm just like,
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  Speaker 1: it's so much responsibility to put on one man in
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  Speaker 1: a house to be like, well, for I'm speaking about
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  Speaker 1: for me, Yeah, I would say to be faithful.
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  Speaker 2: I'm thirty thirty, Ok, you got a different type of
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  Speaker 2: diicted us.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well that's but that's what I'm saying. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 1: it's like your your your faith with that man now now.
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  Speaker 1: But but there was a time you're you're supposed to provide.
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  Speaker 1: You're supposed to go out and deal with all the
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  Speaker 1: ship in the world that you're protecting your family from
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  Speaker 1: your girls. You're supposed to go out provide, protect you
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: with all this ship, protect and someone gets to tell
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  Speaker 1: you what you can and can't do with your dick
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  Speaker 1: as well, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: Like, I don't think it's about somebody telling you what
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  Speaker 5: you can and can't do when you, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 5: decide to make vows with a woman and you tell God,
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  Speaker 5: this is the woman that I want to spend the
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  Speaker 5: rest of my life with and be faithful.
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  Speaker 2: You made that commitment.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, which is why. And I have a woman in
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  Speaker 1: my life that I that I love and I care
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  Speaker 1: about very much. But if she feels irresponded, No, she's not.
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  Speaker 1: She's not. But it feels very irresponsible of me to
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  Speaker 1: make that promise because yeah, I don't think so. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: am I gonna be ready when I'm fifty? Where?
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  Speaker 2: Am I?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: But that's the way we should be, and most most
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  Speaker 4: people our age wish we would have been that honest
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  Speaker 4: long time ago.
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  Speaker 2: That's a level of emotional intelligence a lot of us
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  Speaker 2: didn't have.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But I just I just think, I just think,
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  Speaker 1: like so much in the society in which we live
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  Speaker 1: is counterintuitive. I'm like, what were we doing before imperialless,
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  Speaker 1: before colonialization, when we were you know, wherever we were
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  Speaker 1: on the on the globe, living unbothered by anybody trying
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  Speaker 1: to take her, exploit or do anything. Is this how
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  Speaker 1: we set up our families and how we set up
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  Speaker 1: our communities one children, house, neighbors, stay for there, don't
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  Speaker 1: talk to strangers, like you know, all this sort of
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  Speaker 1: is Is this natural?
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  Speaker 6: Is this the way we use like isolation?
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  Speaker 1: It's so isolated. You know, you're a you're in a
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  Speaker 1: home in the suburbs and you have a car and
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  Speaker 1: you have a backyard and all this ship is happening
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  Speaker 1: in everybody's homes and we're supposed to go out and
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  Speaker 1: like not talk to each other. Look how kids behave
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  Speaker 1: they're my mom takes pills to go this. They're at
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  Speaker 1: the at the park talking about my mom does this.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: They want to connect, they want to go out and whatever,
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: and we're we train them from young No, your neighbor's
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: not your friend. That's the thing these societies. There's too
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: many people and you get on the bus and you
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: might get stabbed in your neck or something like because
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: there's no trust because everybody you know what I mean.
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: As you talked about intellectualizing spirit, and I think that's
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: what you're doing right now. You're you're intellectualizing your spirit
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: when you should just feel.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: If what you feel is true to you, then let
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: that be cool.
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: If you don't feel like you're ready to settle down
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: with one woman at thirty.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: It's okay, and be honest with that woman. There's nothing
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: wrong with that.
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: Think is more than that though for you. I think
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: it's the whole.
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: It's deep there, it gets.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: It was honestly, it was. It was great. It was
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: a Caribbean household, you know what I mean. But it
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: was like, do you know what the thing was? Because
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I have the same experience as so many other people
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: that look like me. I was the one Caribbean household
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: on us. I grew up on this this this private
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: high school academy. My parents, my dad worked there. Right,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: this was a white school, white town, white white, white, white, white,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: white white. And so I'm the old Caribbean family on
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: this street where all the rich white kids live. Yeah,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: they weren't even they weren't even rich. It just felt
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: like they were rich because they all had cottages and
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: ship but they were everyone's making the same amount of
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: money and yeah, and so it's it's it's purely just
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: like everyone. Everyone gets beat as a kid, but like
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: when you live on that street, you're the only one
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: that gets beat, you know, And then all these things
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: feel so much more egregious because of because of proximity
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: to what everyone's living like around you, you know what
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: And old was your dad was your household growing up
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: tight holeshole was just your mom and your dad.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: And you've seen that union that you're looking.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: For hundred per but I also see what is sacrificed
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: in oneself to sustain that.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: So you have conversations with your father though, like about
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: like about that. Have you had conversations Did he tell
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: you that he was paid with his wife?
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I mean I was happy, yeah, but it's it's kind
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: of like there are just some things sometimes I look
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: at like you like like Mary couples and stuff like that,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: if it almost feels like a like a big conspiracy
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: where it's just like we're married, so of course we're
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: happy because we're married, and everyone should want marriage. The
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: whole soul society is structured, is based off of people
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: getting married, having families, going out to their job and
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: what you know what I mean, even if you're not,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: it's like the reality is like as as over time
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: as women get more rights in society, divorce goes up.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: So it's like everybody's happy, but it's everybody happy. Everybody's
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: getting divorced. My parents are still together, mind you, and
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: they love each other and they respect each other. But
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I just sometimes I think and I'm just like I know,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: and I'm the same as my dad. Sometimes it's like
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: he's he's bound by honor. He's a man of his word,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so it's like you
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: are my kids. I'm not going to run out on you,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: but you can't. You can't lie about what's going on
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: on in your head, Like when you come home and
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: you're like, bro, this ship again, you know what I mean.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: It's like I'm doing the job because I'm bound by
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: honor to do the job, but I would rather be
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: out being a person, being free right around.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I get what you're saying. I mean, marriage is all work,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: like nobody said it was.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: I think when you have and you have conversations with
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: married couples like, yeah, it's hard, it's tough, you know.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: What I mean.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: You're gonna have your good days.
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: But you have to want to do it.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: You gotta want to do it.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And for me, you, I have dedicated my life
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: to making art, and sometimes it feels as though it's
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: like they're kind.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Of yeah, you're very young.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: But you know what, somebody said this to me yesterday,
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: right they were doing my kids here and she said,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Surprised to see you like this with your kids.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, what does that mean? She was like,
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: I do things here all the time, and usually the
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: breadwinners make money. When they come home, they go in
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: their little cocoon and they don't want to their kids.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: It was like, but you help your kids with homerate,
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: you pick them up, you take them to dance, you this,
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: that and the other. Because I have a responsibility to
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: my kids.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: I love them.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: It doesn't feel like a job. It doesn't feel like
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: I'm coming home and oh the fuck I gotta do
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: this again. No, that's why I had those kids. That's
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: why I love those kids. There are some people that
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: feel differently and say, you know what, I'm more into
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: my art. I need to create. You take care of
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: the kids. But those are the kids that are usually
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: you know, don't have a father, need a father figure,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: have those type of traumas, and have those type of problems.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: I care more about raising those kids than any art form,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: than any type of money, than anything like that. But
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: I see that. But that's the commitment that I made
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: to my family. I didn't have to I didn't have
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: to have those kids. You didn't have to have kids
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: or whatever it may be. But once you make that
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: commitment to have that child or that relationship as a man,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: you talk about Anna, you should do it right.
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: Well, let me know if you need another hairdstyllars of
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: them kidscause she wasn't supposed to say that to you.
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: I'm surprised that you ain't here like that too.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: You know when you bring Menican kids who are like
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: a black you know.
• 22:12
  Speaker 8: Before we get off this topic, right, because this whole
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: conversation reminds me of a sinse of a father the
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: song that you in your project with. In that project,
• 22:20
  Speaker 8: you say dad would forgetful. He promised a lot. I
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: think thankfully he never got called. Then you talk about
• 22:25
  Speaker 8: forgetting someone's birthday and someone saying I'm sorry, dear, and
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: you're struggling between the love and honor that your your
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: actual father has and the love and honor that the
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: father above is.
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: Like you know what I mean?
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: What?
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: So was your dad not like how Envy is describing
• 22:40
  Speaker 9: he was? Is that were some of this like.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Like that that's what made me like that exactly.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And my dad's dad was an orphan from like from
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: the slums of Jamaica. The man suffered I could. I
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: can't around that time, especially with the British over there
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: fucking doing whatever the British do. The the level of
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: abuse that he sustained, I'm sure is horrible, you know,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: And so sometimes I'm just like, no, my out there.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, he probably forgot my birthday. My mom wouldn't
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: forget my birthday. No no, no, no, not like are you
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: only child? No no, no, I got four brothers, three brothers.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: But he my One of my favorite stories with my
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: dad is telling me about what the time that his mom.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: He's like at the dinner table with his mom. She's like,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: was it your birthday last week or something like that,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: and my dad was like, oh, yeah, I guess it
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: was my birthday, you know what I mean. And it's
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: such a small little thing, but You're like, damn, and
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: my family we're not a birthday family. And I always,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: like with girlfriends and stuff, I like Christmas birthdays. I
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: resent that's like because I will buy you. Sometimes I'll
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: be out and I'll see something that makes me think
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: of you, and I'll be like, I love this girl
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: so much, I'm gonna get this for it right now.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: But when birthday comes, don't don't look at me, you
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, because it's just like I'm not
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: subscribing to this.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I don't like the expectations.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: No, I do this all year round, Like why do
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: I have to do it on this specific way?
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe not for birthday, but definitely for Christmas.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I feel that way exactly. I don't like the I
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: just don't like that. It's it's there's so many variables
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: and exterior pressures on us all the times, and I
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: get I'm clearly like I get a little neurotic and
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: like I'll like follow a train of thought like very
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: very deep, and but you know what I'm saying, And
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: it's just kind of like, you.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Know, like who are we, you.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Know, especially because all the systems that we exist in,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: like we are the least valuable people in those systems,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's like I resent
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: all these systems, all these structures, and so me doing
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: whatever the I want and saying things and and I
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: can be very obnoxious. I can be very irritating and
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: annoying sometimes, but it's just like, like how this if
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: you start sometimes just being whoever you are is the
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: is the act of is the rebellion or is the
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: revolutionary act? It's just like you want me to be this.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I look like this, so I have to talk like
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: this and dress like this. No, bro, it's a little weird.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: But he's cool, you know what I mean, that's all.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't even label you we exactly well I have,
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: I mean who you are, and I appreciate that you
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: He just healed something in me, right, he is definitely
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: think people who call people weird they don't really know themselves.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: At least I've never gonna use that word to you. Ever,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I'm very descriptive.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: I'm very specific. Okay, what part of Daniel ses you do?
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: Fans still misunderstand the most?
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: And is that your fault?
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is my fault, and definitely my my cynicism
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: into humor, you know, or just by yeah, I was
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: starting with my cynicism and my sense of humor. Where
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: it's like like something that happened a couple of months ago,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: you know, when when Trump and the Ice things first
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: started happening. You know, a couple of weeks before.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: You have some concern because Jamaica by Beatos Canada. You
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: just weren't sure.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Shut up, man, I got a great visa, man, I think,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: But I mean he's also who nobody's safe, right? But
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: but no, do you remember when when Trump's Instagram first
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: started to really get crazy and it was a decade
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: at least for me, when I saw this like AI
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: image with the trains, with the planes and the trains
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: and no with the the let's start deportations now or
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: something like that, and me I saw that and I
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: was like, whoa, this is really crazy. What are we
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: living in? Like what is this? And it was It's
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: funny to me, It's objectively funny. And I get some
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: people will see that. They'll see me like the post
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: or something, and they're like this guy, you know, And
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I completely get that. I've kind of had to. I
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: don't have the processing power, the mental processing power too
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: in all moments of my life think about what the
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Internet will think about what I do and then move accordingly.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: It's just too it's too much.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't have to like it, Like you can
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: mentally look at something you know and see all the
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: nuance of it, right, know that it's some bullshit, but
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: also maybe kind of find it funny.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: But you don't have to like it, Like you said
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: you don't like systems.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: So who said no? When I say, I mean press
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: the like button?
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: But who said you got to do that? You're only
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: doing that because it's there.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you wanted to.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Know that you like it or like do you just no.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no, I just I almost like use
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: social media sometimes like a boom or like I am.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: One of the New Year's things that I'm doing is
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I'm getting a life phone because I am like with
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: my phone it's too much. If I see it and
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I think it's funny, I press like and I keep scrolling.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Because it's not even.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah well yeah no, I was preyed upon by the
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: It's I'm dopamine. I am an addict. That is in
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: my like I am. I have that type of personality.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I'm an addict. So if you get if you make
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: me feel good, then then you're in there. You know
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: what I mean. And it's that's that's another thing in
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: you know, growing up becoming a man, where it's just like,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: oh my god, they're be set by evil on all sides.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Like if I don't exercise self discipline, I'm cooked, you know, aware,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I try else for a dude
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: down here, you know, I.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Want to I want to talk about have a by
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: me before.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I just I wanted to be clear that my that
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: my dad is like he's a He loved us very much,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: and he was very kind and very gentle. And when
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I hear stories about his upbringing, he went from here
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: to here. That's all I just I'm just very sensitive
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: and so whatever it was, you know, but.
• 29:23
  Speaker 9: He agreed as a man, not as your dad exactly.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: You know. The one more quick thing cleared us up.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Do you support Trump? No?
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I think he's hilarious, and I think that America. I
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: think Trump is the president that he I think Trump
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: was inevitable and I think what he's what ice is
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: going on? Yeah, this is this is how the country started.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: It's a criminal ass, you know what I mean. It
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: was eventually going to get here, and now it's like.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Trump is the Frankenstein Monster of white.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Supremacist exactly exactly. And now it's like now there's I
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: used to shooting white ladies. Now everyone's scared. You know
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: what I mean. This was always eventually these systems that
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh no, they're over in Africa. Fu them,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: you know they're over in over there. Fuck them now,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: they're now they're shooting suburban white ladies. You know what
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: You should unlike the post.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: But and you know what, and here comes the main
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: flaw in my character. Don't tell me what, don't tell
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: what to do, and don't try and don't try it right,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: and I will the universe God will, I will, I
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: will suffer. And I have.
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: Get a phone like a phone where it's.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: A light phone. No, it's like no apps. I just
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: need to get off. Yeah, it's like you can get
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: music and you can get maps.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: You know what you should do?
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: Don't give me a hundred thousand dollars, don't.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: You should not do.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Don't give me you can program that into my brain
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: while giving me dopamine, then that would work.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Don't give me a million dollars.
• 31:02
  Speaker 9: Do you needs dope?
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Mother?
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Don't give me.
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: So okay, So, because you said you don't like to
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: be told what not to do, right, but you're getting
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: this phone that doesn't have these apps because you're getting
• 31:20
  Speaker 8: the backlash to the things that you're doing exactly.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: So it's like I am putting I have to put
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: up the parameters for myself. I am gonna just whatever.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: It's the same with dealing with money. I have to
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: set up things with my business manager because I don't.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I can't.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: You know yourself that I.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Got to put myself in my own cage. Somebody else
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: will put me in a case. Good.
• 31:45
  Speaker 8: The yes Jewels moment kind of get you here too, Yeah,
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: yes Jewels moment.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Oh it's iconic.
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: Okay, I didn't know you were iconic, but so, yes
• 31:57
  Speaker 8: Jewels was People were coming for her because she had
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: posted that T shirt that or it came back up
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: the niggas lie a Lot T shirt and then she.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: She wore a T shirt that said niggas lie.
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: She had tweets she had posted the shirt, and people
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: were coming for her, just talking about the whole cultural
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: appropriation thing like they always do with her and oh white,
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah she's white, and you got online in a drunk
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: rint and you basically said people should leave her alone.
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: She should be able to say what she wants to say.
• 32:21
  Speaker 8: Because we're mean to people, but we act like we
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: don't understand why people have a reaction. I can read
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: your words, veriato. But that was me summarizing it.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: No one, and I mean, this is great. It was
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: it was I internalize everything, and that's that's the whole thing.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Like I was like, I internalize everything. You guys should
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: internalize everything, and then you'll get all this and all
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: this is nothing.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I disagree. I don't like, yeah you don't.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: No no no no no no no no no, but
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I agree. But that that was where that was coming from.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: That's what that was. And on and for years after,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's like, these things aren't
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: gonna boo me out of nothing. No, this is I
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: believe that, and I still believe it. And as time
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: is passed, I'm like, oh they were, No, they were
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent right. That is what you when you
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: accept this type of behavior from people that throughout history
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: have exemplified to you that they hate you, and then
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: you accept the behavior to get out of the circumstances
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: that you're in. You are giving up. You were giving up.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: It's it's undignified. You're giving up your own dignity, which
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I never really it never crossed my mind, you know
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: what I mean, because it was just kind of like
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: the way it when I say survival, it's not like
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I ever feared for my life or anything like that,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it was just like
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: growing up I had to be personally the way that
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I moved to the world was like, yeah, bro, white
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: people are like, you know what I mean, That's just
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: that's just how they are. And I don't really see
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: them because they don't even know half the time, they
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: don't even know the weird ship that they be doing
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: or the way they move to the world, you know
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: what I mean.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Disagree with that.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: I say that when it comes to legislation, like we
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: talk about systems, like somebody had to create the system,
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: so clearly somebody knew what was doing. If you put you,
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: if you was label somebody only three quarters of a
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: human being, Yeah, that's an intentional choice.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Well okay, yes, and that's your in the spirit of
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: self awareness, my I don't even subscribe to or participate
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: in politics because I'm like, I don't have the the
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: the bandwidth, the mental bandwidth, like dealing with what's the
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: word you just used, legislation, legislation, all that stuff. I'm like,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I just kind of assume whatever does come of of
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: all that doesn't involve me, you know what I mean,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: It involves as Yeah, but I love with Nina turns
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: that you don't.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: You may not do politics, but politics is eventually gonna
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: do you. Yeah.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: No, I get, I get what you're saying, but I
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: just mean, like I then that's my cynicism. I don't
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: believe that any level of participation, that like any level
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: that I participate in politics, well that actually the country
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: is founded on racism. I just don't think that playing
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: the game of politics will solve the issue. It's like,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I think politics is downstream from a deeper issue, a
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: spiritual issue, you know, like politics is dealing in the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: physical like like mind proceeds, mind prospedes, proceeds, Spirit proceeds form,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's like what we're
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: dealing with is like, what we're dealing with is is
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: evil politics. I just don't me personally.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: To be able to you know, you know, elections do
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: have consequences, and I mean when you see you know,
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: people's civil liberties being rolled back the way that they
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: are now, then.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: You have to disagree with yourself.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah No, but I just think I personally assumed that whoever,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: if we put Kamala, Kamala, whoever we put in there,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: eventually this is gonna happen. That's my personal But that's cynicism.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: And maybe if we vote right, one day, America, black
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: people will run America and it will be our country.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I don't, I mean, I don't know. It just doesn't feel.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: It just doesn't.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: What I was asking. I was gonna ask, was that
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: your is that your homie or stand up?
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: That was also I mean, that was like a trauma response.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: It was just like I saw when I look at
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Yes Jules, I see an orphan girl that that that
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: wants to be black, you know what I mean. And
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, that's so mean, bro.
• 36:47
  Speaker 9: She doesn't like she could come to your at that time. Now.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: But I don't know nothing about it, I guess.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was just like I felt bad for her,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: especially being a black kid that grew up surrounded by
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: white people. I'm like, what the way she grew up?
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: What is she supposed to do? She's trying to embody
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: what she understands.
• 37:09
  Speaker 9: Is so different than hers.
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: And I think, yes, Jeweles, I think yes, Jewels is
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: a like, it's not even about her. The conversation that
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: people try to have about her is a bigger conversation
• 37:20
  Speaker 8: about what we allow culturally and what we should protect
• 37:23
  Speaker 8: and all those things. So I think that's where people's
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: frustration comes in when you jump out the window for
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: her and it's not just about her, you know what
• 37:30
  Speaker 8: I mean. But said, he's trying to explain that this
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: is he understands it now because.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Of his Yeah, no, no, no, I don't, and I wouldn't.
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: It was a.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: It was meant to happen. It was meant And I
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: almost don't regret it because I don't think I would
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: have come to this understanding of what's going on in
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: myself and in the world around me if I hadn't
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: done that, you know, because I was just like internalizing
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: and I didn't realize. I was like, oh my god,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: all this choosing to internalize. They called me a coup
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: and I was like, I was like, there's no way
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: because I think this, this and this and this m hm.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: And then I'm like, oh my god, have I been
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: sacrificing my dignity by internalizing things. Sometimes when someone comes
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: to you the wrong way, you're supposed to crash out
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: immediately on the spot, you know. But there's just been
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: so many moments in my life where someone says something
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: that's a little weird or whatever, and I'm just like,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: you know, your fight or flight, and you're like, wait,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: is that weird? Am I supposed to cuss out everybody
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: in this room right now? Am I supposed to stop?
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: So basically, you just.
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: Saw a girl that wanted to be black, that just
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: you know, wore shirt that it didn't really mean anything
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: to you.
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: It was just like, yo, this is just another girl
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: orphan shown she want to be black.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: It's naive because I was moving to the world really
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: believing like, oh maybe we could all come together and
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: understand each other and be like spending this much time
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: in America, I'm like, oh no. But if you think
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: all all all or no all virality. All virality are
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: all like codes of codes of moving through the world,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god. If you follow it to
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: any thought process at the very end, it's like, all right,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: who who are we killing? That's actually what it is.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Someone's gotta die. That's how this whole world is set up.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: It's like these group of people believe this, and we
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: believe this, and we will never agree, so we have
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: to kill them.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Damn, Dan, What did you ultimately learn from this situation?
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: So that's what I'm getting. I'm getting that you learned
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: something from that, Sue.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I did, and the niggas don't lie, like, Yeah, I learned.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I learned. It's it's a ship show out here and
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: all that I can How do I say this? I
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: can only control me and the world around me is
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: is is of my own creation, you know. And you
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: go through things and you experience them, and if you
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: don't want it to happen again, you look at what
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: went wrong and you try and adjust.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Did the backlash your faith make you more guarded as
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: an artist? Are more honest?
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: More guarded? And now more honest? Because it's all like
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: it forever changed the trajectory of my whole life.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: You know, really, what do you mean?
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah? For sure? Because it was just I just I
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: thought I was being honest with myself and that I
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: didn't realize how first. I didn't realize how much anger
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: and hatred I had in my own heart.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: For who your own people are.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: No no, no, no, I mean for the world around
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: me and for myself. It's kind of it's all like
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: hete It's all like I am you you are. Yeah,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: it's all the same. It's all flowing the separation that
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: you are a different person than me, and you and
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: you have your own life. It's not real. You know,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: you drop some acid and you're like, oh, we're actually
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: all one. We're all just different leaves on a tree.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: You know. The separation that we think we feel it is.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: It's mercy. It's mercy because the reality is that there's
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: only one spirit and it's floating out in space and
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: it's alone. The reality of existence is that we were
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: alone and there's only I'm a figment of your imagination.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: I am you're figuring in my imagination. I am actually
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: the center of the universe. None of you guys are real.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: But also I am a figuring of your imagination. I'm
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: not real. We're You're alone. There's nobody else here.
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: You're all just energies moving through time. I swear I
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: heard Jim Carry say something like this. I mean it's
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: like where I literally heard somebody say this. Sorry Jim
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: if you didn't, but I thought he said something like
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: this before one of them Golden globes.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Uh, the spiritual practices of anyone free colonialism?
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: Do you dos or ayahuasca or anything like that?
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Is that you okay?
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Acid?
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: Oh you're talking about like that? I mean like on
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: a bado? Okay, all right, you know what I'm saying at.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 42:30
  Speaker 8: Cool.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: That's interesting though, because I feel the exact opposite. I
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: feel like, you know, human connection is the only reason
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: that we exist, no, I.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Based That's why we yearn so much for it. Because
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: when you connect with someone, even when you it's like
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: you're long for connection, Like you see a girl and
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: she's so beautiful, you know, and you go and talk
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: to her m hm, and she doesn't like you, and
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: you're like damn, and that pain that you feel where
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: it's like, what's wrong with me? And then you realize
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: it's beautiful because I really believe in that moment that
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: she's not me, and so I'm not alone. And then
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: you meet you meet someone and you fall in love
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: with them and it's the beautiful and you have a
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: crazy experience together and it's the same. It's like, oh
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: my god, I'm not alone in this world, you know.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: And then things happen and it's you know, and then
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: you are alone again, and then you remember, do you
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: feel me? Yeah? No, but it's yeah and then and
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: then yeah. But no. Life is about human connection, and
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: that's kind of the whole way I've structured my life,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: you know. I write songs about human connection. And that's why.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Another reason why marriage is scared to me, because it's
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: like to to choose to marry is to be like,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: all right, connection, got it?
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: No more connection, because then the connection don't always That's
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: what we mess up. Connections don't always have to be romantic.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: Connections don't always have to be you know, intimate on
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: a sexual level. Connections can be a new friend that
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: you meet. Connection can be somebody that you get in
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: the studio with that's a producer, and y'all connect and
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: y'all create something that's an amazing.
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: That's what he's talking about.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Run Through is crazy you ever had, You've never like
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: the I am it's dop. I mean, the most powerful
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: connection is the connection that is is eros is a gape,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's all the different types
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: of love one can experience more than you always rod.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: That's what I just told you.
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: Trying to run through.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you don't always have to do that.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: Like, Actually, to me, one of the most powerful connections
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: is when you meet a woman, like you know, all
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: of these women in this room, even from Natina and down,
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: are women that I have met.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: There's no sexual attraction. Even to people that I consider
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: my homegirls, my sisters. I love them. Sometimes that is
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: the more powerful dopamine hit than.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I feel like you're understand. I'm not saying that I
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: can't have don't have friendship.
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: You're talking about that first feeling when you fall in
• 45:03
  Speaker 8: love and it's energetic and it's like whatever.
• 45:05
  Speaker 9: Right, But I think because they've.
• 45:06
  Speaker 8: Been married for a lot of time, right, what I'm
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: what I think you're missing from what they're saying is
• 45:13
  Speaker 8: that even with your partner, if you're just talking about wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend,
• 45:18
  Speaker 8: there are so many different experiences where that same dopamine
• 45:21
  Speaker 8: feeling comes with that same person, just depending on where
• 45:24
  Speaker 8: you are in the relationship, what's happening. It's work, though,
• 45:27
  Speaker 8: and I think people out of that work to refill
• 45:30
  Speaker 8: that feeling because you think it's only one instant that
• 45:32
  Speaker 8: it's a great point for a single person.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna front learn that a good point envy.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you know playing with me. There's certain points.
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: That you get older and you look at your wife
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: sometime you're like, damn, man, I hit the lottery, Like
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: I love.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: My wife all the time. Absolutely, I'm doing the same.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: Ask a question when you were younger, did you have
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: a lot of girlfriends or were you the the one
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: that didn't that because you went to a white school,
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: they didn't appreciate you like they should have.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't. I didn't date until ninth grade.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: And that's the reason why he probably feels the way
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: that he did. He never really felt accepted when you
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: was growing up as a kid. He never had the love.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: He never had that friendship.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: They called you ugly all that stuff.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: But that's that's the reason.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: But that's the reason he's act like like he is
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: because he never had that love growing up. So now
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: when he's a celebrity, he's a star, he can pick
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: and choose with whatever.
• 46:23
  Speaker 8: And even then though it gets empty at some point
• 46:26
  Speaker 8: because and have a baby, it'll get me, right.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Of course, it gets but yeah with me in Penthes, yeah,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: because that's that was funny.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Have a baby with me, like yeah, but not with the.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: Other dude, like what woman left you that you was like,
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: don't leave, please, I'll I'll put a baby.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: And you don't leave.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, no, no no. So that's like the girl that
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I wrote my first Frediano was Yeah, that was like
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: a whole that was a whole thing. And but I
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: have a baby is like, it's funny to put it
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: in parentheses. Yeah, because of the experiences that I had.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: That's my other thing, like with you're really okay, So yeah,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: you guys, you nailed it. It's in relationships. I can't
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: help but feel like it's about controlling what the other
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: person does. I feel controlled when i'm this person. I
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: feel like going over here and doing this and running
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: around and doing that. And you tell me it hurts you.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: But I'm just being myself, you know. So what do
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: you want me to do? You want me to be
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: somebody else? This is I didn't get you by being
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: somebody else. I got you by being myself. You know.
• 48:06
  Speaker 8: But at a part in the song when you're talking
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: to her, it sounds like she's like putting her clothes on,
• 48:10
  Speaker 8: she's about to leave. But figure that's like the physical,
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: but in like thinking about it, she's kind of tapping
• 48:16
  Speaker 8: out of the relationship, right, You're almost like begging her
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: to not at some point because you realize that you
• 48:22
  Speaker 8: started all these little fires and it got you to
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: this point and you just want to give her that
• 48:25
  Speaker 8: dream like what she thought or where she thought you
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: guys would end up. So how how are two things synonymous?
• 48:31
  Speaker 8: Like how do you feel like that? But then when
• 48:33
  Speaker 8: she's putting on her clothes and she's ready to leave,
• 48:34
  Speaker 8: you like, no, have a baby with me and with me, like,
• 48:36
  Speaker 8: let's do it.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: How is that?
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Ass toxic? Yeah, said SELFI Yeah, I'm glad. This is
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: very self aware selfish.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: That's kind of I mean, that's being an artist. That's
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: the thing being an artist is like that is that
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: you can't be a good artist and not be selfish.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: It's about I experienced stimuli from the outside world, and
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not worried about the outside world. I'm worried about
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: how I feel about it, because then I go to
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: the studio and I and I do what I gotta do,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: and I process it and I go through it.
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: I'm not worried about Which is the greatest dopa main
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: high ever for you?
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Life literal value? You know, what I mean changed.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: Was it a woman that made you start acting like that?
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: Or when you started being the one that these women
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: started liking it changed you? Because at one time, I'm
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: sure you didn't feel accepted you maybe it was rejection.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: How you know it's not just the fame or the
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: money or a celebrity.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, don't you don't know? You don't know, it's
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: only over time.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: And is that why you're being selfish? Like I don't
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: know why you liked me because they didn't like me.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: So I'm just gonna sling dick to everybody have a
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: baby with me?
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I because I want an artifact of our love.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I want an artifact.
• 49:54
  Speaker 7: Idea of what read No no, no, yeah, not in
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: the buns in the bun no no no, no no no,
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: no one's pregnant, no no no yeah.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Give them some time to process the question though internalized.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, that's so interesting. Artifact that crazy? Yes, yes,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: you want to.
• 50:16
  Speaker 9: You're stopping a gift shop at.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: They call a baby that? Yeah, that's crazy.
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: Look at my souvenir. He's six today.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: What we'll holler next year Christmas?
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: You know? Just interesting.
• 50:30
  Speaker 8: I think once you get through this to take that
• 50:33
  Speaker 8: text back you said somebody that you.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: No, I definitely said that, and I've said that a bunch.
• 50:40
  Speaker 9: They be eating it up. What they be saying it back?
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: No, it'll be texting it's no, no, no, it's I
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: use I use that term when I'm in debate about
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: the subjects, not when I'm talking m which I guess
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: maybe yes now that yes.
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: The question is this album more of a confession, our
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: therapy session or our spiritual reckoning?
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I mean I personally always get to spiritual reckoning through confession.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: I love the thought of singing it that you can
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: say whatever you want when you're singing it, and you
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: can say a lot of things. I mean, a lot
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: of things have been said here today that are insane
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: to say in conversation with strangers. But and that's that's
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: just something I.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Like to do.
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: But it's still a conversation, you know.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: It's how you feel, and it's connection. I feel like
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: I'm i feel you know, more connection, I feel you know.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I would say spiritual reckoning. I would say
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: spiritual reckoning, but it's it's I'm still caught up on
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: this artifact. I when I say artifact. I mean like,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: I don't mean I want to have a kid and
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: then disappear. I don't believe in that. I'm like my
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: dad where it's like like bound by honor, you know,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: to something like that. It's just more of a it's
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: more of a I don't think I can be married.
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: Hmm.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I just want to co parent.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: You said all of that just to say this.
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: I just want you to know you just want a
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: cold parent.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: I give him a copy of your book.
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: Just has a book coming out called Tell Death Parent
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: Privileged Publishing, Simon and Shooter, and it's all about cold parenting.
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: So I just okay, So so you co parent, co
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: parent well with my son's father yet so she's married
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: to Yeah, but I'm not married to my son's father.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: I'm married just father was divorce or was it just
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: a no? No?
• 52:42
  Speaker 9: No, that was just a relationship.
• 52:43
  Speaker 7: We met when we were with nineteen or something like that,
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: and I had we had a track of their love
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: and oh, my master, Ashton, if you were not, but yes,
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: we did have anot of fact.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: His name is yes, Ashton, my name is Ashton.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Is it thought your name is Daniel?
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: No? No, no, no, that was a whole other. My
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: dad was like, if you're not going to send gospel music,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: you can't use my name. Wow damn.
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: Okay, So.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you've never been divorced.
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: No, that's my first time being married.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: It's great.
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: Okay, I've only been married for like seven eight months though,
• 53:17
  Speaker 7: but yeap, so we're nearly words.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I love it. Okay, you're going to read
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: this book. Yes, you can have this.
• 53:27
  Speaker 8: Advise him to start out co parenting first if he
• 53:29
  Speaker 8: knows what's to do, or do you advise himself?
• 53:32
  Speaker 7: No, no, no, no no, I would bringing it back
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: down and you were saying you have a kid, go
• 53:38
  Speaker 7: Actually you were just saying, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, no, just.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Like I am just kind of like I'm just very
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: anti divorced, and I'm just like, why why why can't
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: I just im someone what I know? Would I believe
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: that I can promise them or I could promise them
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: more than I think we could. I should promise them,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: We get divorced, and then we still end up doing
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: this anyhow, how many people are out here we speak,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: self aware and trying to circumvent and maybe that's it's
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: maybe it's coward it's trying to circumvent the pain or
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: the you know, but it's kind of like a long
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: way there.
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: It's like yo, shortcut baby, all right, let's go parent
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: right here right now, because I know I cannot be.
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: I can't participate in the active monogamy with you right now,
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: like because that's not how I feel marriage. It does
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: not serve me. I don't like it, all the things
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: attached to it. I do want a child. I want
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: my own offspring, though, and I would love to co
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: parent with you.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: That's what it is.
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: So you got to find somebody that's like you, that
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: that is okay.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: With that to do that with.
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: And there are women like.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Your money and your shoes as well, and you play
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: around with these women like that.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Confidence at least. But no, no, no, but you who
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: will do that? Here's and here's the thing. Because I've
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: been so honest today, I understand that there's probably it's
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: easy to assume that that I have a deep that
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: I don't understand women are like or how like I'm
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: a sitting duck for getting exploited by a woman that
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: just wants it for my money. I've been, I've been,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean I know I can pick
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: a woman to have a child with me. I have values,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: you know, and they sometimes it's like that's another thing,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: is like sometimes the woman that aligns with my values
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: actually find this often the woman that aligns the most
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: with my values does not make me feel passion, But
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: she's she's a very good person.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: And a great baby maker.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: No, no, not even not even it's not even like
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: even like she's like not even a sexual thing. It's
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: just like her values. I respect her values. You know,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: how much time do you have? Okay, I have another well,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: I mean off off screen. You guys are calling me
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: as Daniel. Okay, this is another I'm filled with theories,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: and I think one of the major reasons as to why,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: and people are gonna be upset with me for saying this,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: as to why, uh, the institution of marriage is suffering
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: so much, is because I personally think that there was
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: farther back in society. It's this the whole thing, like
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: withou like farther farther back in time, there was a
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: clear distinctnction amongst the classes of women in society. MM,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: there were there were women that you court and they
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: don't and they're you know what I mean, and that
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: you don't have sex before marriage and all this stuff,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: and then you know, you do the whole thing. And
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: there were prostitutes and there was a clear distinction in
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: society and men weren't just.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Like between visits and no's and black queens exactly. I
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: don't know I agree with that, but I understand what
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: you're saying.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: I also, because all people are I'm talking about the
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: systems in which we live, they had to pick. You
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: have to pick all women because all women want to
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: be free and too experience prostitutes. The benefit of being
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: prostitute is you get to you're not beholding to all
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: these different rules that the wives have to beholden to.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: You could be free. You can move to society as
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: you want, you know what I mean. However, obviously your
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: life is highly in danger. You know all these different you're.
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: Extreme as prostitute. There's mischief that feels like that the
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: mistress I feels like I don't want to be the wife.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: I'm just happy being I know.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: But now we're getting into two subgroups. If you if
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: you boil it down, it's like the wife is going
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: to call the mistress of prostitute same thing, you know
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: what I mean pretty much.
• 58:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the girl that excites you that you have a
• 58:16
  Speaker 8: baby with, she's on the courting side for sure, or
• 58:20
  Speaker 8: is she on the prostitute side?
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: Who knows.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Exactly?
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: And this is actually actually where I have to Yeah,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: you stop talking about it.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Because now, Yeah, one of my favorite songs on the album, by.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: The way, it's awesome, my favorite. Man.
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: You have one of the most beautiful voices ever, so talented.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad to meet you.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: So that actually might be the most honest song on
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: the album.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Probably a waste of your time.
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because I think that if all of us, I
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: think that's the problem, right, Like all of us act
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: like we know, and none of us truly do.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: We just know what we believe in whatever moment in
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: time that we're in.
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: And if you're really doing this life thing right, you
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: remain open and you allow yourself to change in evall,
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: So you'll probably be saying who knows for the rest
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: of your life.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Who knows is actually always the right answer?
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that is, yeah, very like, yeah, do what
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: that will like? Yeah? Yeah, who knows? So you just
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: whatever you think you're supposed to do is really the
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: only thing that you can afford.
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: To be doing and think about all the stuff we
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: stress about that we truly don't know, you know what
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like all of these meanings of life and
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: where we go after we die, who we pray to,
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: all of these different things, who actually knows?
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: Nobody really knows.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: And yeah, but learning to to live with that is.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like I've been in this space lately
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: where I'm like, I used to think be thinking so
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: hard and so deeply on things, was like would give
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: me a leg up or an advantage and moving to
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: the world, And I'm like, Oh, I actually think it's
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: it's yeah, thinking is, yeah, you know what I mean,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: Because it's you can't control after a certain point. If
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: you want to control outcomes, you have to be willing
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: to enact violence on others or to lie, to cheat,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: or to steal. So it's just kind of like, yeah,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: he's gonna move.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: On the song moon, you ask, who's gonna be my Jesus?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: How does your dad feel when he hears you say
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: things like that.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: At this At this point, he's like he just doesn't
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: like cursing. It's very very cribbing like that. Every everything else.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: He's like, uh, you know what, he's gonna be Okay,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: He's not a dummy, so he'll like, he'll figure it out.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: He doesn't agree though. Yeah.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: It's my last question. Man, if you could sit with
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: the version of yourself who first dropped the Fruitian Freudiandian Freudian,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: what warning would you give that young brother and what
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: hope would you offer him?
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: I would tell him there is nothing to fear, and
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: literally just that, and if you are afraid, you can
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: just go and sit down somewhere until you're not afraid,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: you know. But making decisions and moving to the world
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: afraid is it's the only way you'll have regrets. I
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: feel making like fight or flight decisions. I think I'd
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: have to think about that more. But off the top
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: of my head, yeah, being afraid, it's like, there's no
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: need to be afraid. You're good at your job. Just
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: be good at your job and do it.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: But what do you want to hear that Let's get
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: something off down on right now. What's your favorite record
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: that you would love the masters to hear. I feel
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: like you should play a couple We're already gonna play
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: have a baby with Me. Yeah, that's the single, right.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: The next single, who Knows?
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: That was good, definitely who Knows, Who Knows? Who Knows?
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: And then you got a look at your album to
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: see what's on.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: I do because I'm this conversation is very exciting for.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Me, so I love that.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good, that's the win. I would say, who knows,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: rain down.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: Rain Down. We appreciate you for joining us. Absolutely, it
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: was a great conversation for you.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: Absolutely absolutely check you, Vie.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: We might hurt you when you come back, but.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: Genuine Caesar is the breakfast club. Good morning, every day,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: breakfast club.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: You're clinical, yachdum