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Episode 34. Jeff Goldblum on the Wall & Sonic The Hedgehog vs. Loki (Feat. Jonathan Reddoch, Author & Editor) · High n' Dry Podcast

• 0:15
  SPEAKER_01: Fucking around.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's fucking around lead in.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we try for.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck around lead in.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck around and find out.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we do here at High and Drypod.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: We always fuck around and find out.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds like what Loki was gonna say right before uh is that a challenge?
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck around and find out.
• 0:38
  unknown: Yes.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, so I think I guess I invented fucking around.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I just my life's been finding out.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_02: Wonka wonka.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: You just found out without the fucking around.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's just been it's just been finding out.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's it.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's been finding out my whole goddamn life.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_01: You got your fuck around time.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I did.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_02: I did.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: You got your fuck around.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_02: I suppose you're right.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, you guys ready to do this?
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_02: Let's do this thing then.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, so welcome to High Enjoy Podcast, the only podcast where we do all of our own stunts.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_02: I'm your host, Ryan Barron North, drunk philosopher.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_02: With me as always, James Crosslin, Resident High Philosopher.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_02: What's going on, James?
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: Not much.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: You're you're you're in it today.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: You're in a rush.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get to it.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_02: Let's get this done.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: High energy.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_02: So much content to make.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have time to make this content.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna I'm gonna slow down a little bit.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody out there, let me massage your ears with my velvet tone.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: The velvet hour.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: I am I'm doing okay.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm doing well.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm happy to be here.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm excited to be here.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: I love recording this podcast, hanging out with my friend, meeting new people, just like our guest today.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: Why don't you go ahead, right?
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_02: So today we're bringing with us Jonathan Reddock.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_02: He's a writer who's recently featured on Hope Screams Eternal.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_02: He's also editor and publisher.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_02: Jonathan, what's going on?
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: How are you doing?
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for being here.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'm doing great, fellas.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_02: So uh tell us more about what so what's what's the deal with Hope Screams Eternal?
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh well, so there's a podcast.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's um called Unsembling Reads, and they they review horror books and things like that.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: And they just they decided, hey, we're gonna do an anthology, and so they put out a call.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: I submitted some poems and I got accepted.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm part of that.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: Congratulations, congratulations.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna drink to that here in a minute.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_02: But uh thanks for joining us, man.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_02: We really appreciate you taking the time.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, we're gonna have a good time with you.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_02: For those of you who are just joining with us, how High and Dry works.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we have a two-part episode for you.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_02: The first part of the episode, we bring out a little philosophical question, we talk it out, we figure it out.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_02: That's the our guest is already getting started.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna regret that soon.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then we break it down, we have a fist fight for you guys, it devolves that way as those things often shake out.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_02: But before we do that, what sets high and dry apart, which brings us a little up there, is that first we get a little drunk and then we get a little high.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_02: So uh before we kick that off, James, what are you smoking this week?
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_01: This week I'm smoking a wonderful strain called Let Me Find Package.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's called Raspberry Skywalker.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_03: Whoa.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's got some really so I'm pretty sure they infused terpenes into this.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's not like the real, it's not like from the plant.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: They infused raspberry terpenes into it and they put a shit ton in there.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: And it tastes like some nightmare distortion of raspberries.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like so like it's like Mark Hamill dipped his balls in strawberry sauce and raspberry.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: No chlorine count on that product.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_01: Not not that he dipped his uh dipped his balls in strawberry sauce, it's like strawberry hyperconcentrate, like strawberry, like raspberry dust.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's like you get from like a sour uh one of those sour packets.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you know, I read something about him that he does things like that.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_01: All right, cool, cool.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: I can snort some snort some uh raspberry dust.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: This isn't the first time we've talked about snorting or licking something off of someone's balls.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's been a long show.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_02: So uh so speaking of snorting stuff off of balls and whatnot, uh Jonathan, uh what I understand you're gonna be a drunk philosopher.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_02: What are you drinking this week?
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, I have Moscow Mule.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: I've got I made a couple, so I'm guaranteed to go.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: And uh we're gonna need some coke.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I also have a Red Bull, so if I want to, you know, if I run out, I need more.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Red Bull.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_02: All right, cool, cool.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I'll be joining you, gentlemen, today with the Pink Whitney.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_02: I uh brought that bottle last week and I just gotta finish it off.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_02: I can't help myself.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_02: What is that that you're drinking?
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_02: So the Pink Whitney, it's a new Amsterdam pink lemon flavored vodka.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um I've gotten to the point of just drinking this where it just basically tastes like pink lemonade.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's pretty tasty.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's really good.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's really good.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, you know, for$12.99.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: We're not sponsored by them.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: Stop promoting.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_00: Where do I get this amazing product?
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: We're not getting any money from this.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: Stop it.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_02: All right, so let's get it on.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: We got three toasts.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_02: So our first toast today is gonna go out as always, to share to Carl Urban and to our newest guest, Jonathan Reddick.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_02: John, thanks for joining us.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Master Reddick.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: Let's have a let's have a toast.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, okay.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: Cheers.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's good stuff.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna I don't I don't cheat people out.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna take a big one.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: You owe us.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you owe the fans.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: All this weed I want to I just all this alcohol I don't want to drink.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: I have to.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_02: This is for work.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_02: This is something this is up for work.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this is work.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: I get no enjoyment out of this.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_02: All right, and so our uh second toast is actually going out to today, uh, Fort Leonardwood, Missouri.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_02: Fort Leonardwood.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_02: Fort Leonard, Missouri, I think we know who that is.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_02: Sophia, is that you?
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_02: Is that you out there, Sophia?
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_02: Missouri.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was nice to hear.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was nice to hear that she was she missed us and was listening to our podcast.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_01: We missed our friends too.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's true, it's been really tough.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: The whole pandemic is, I'm sure everyone out there can relate to the fact that the whole pandemic has kept us away from our friends for so long.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: In addition to that, we had good friends move uh halfway across the country during the pandemic.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: So we don't even they didn't get this new time with us, we didn't get this new time with them, and it's been like a loss almost.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's been really tough.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, but we're getting through it.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: Getting those vaccinations out there, hopefully.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: I really wish Brandon could be there with us for karaoke tonight.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: I love Brandon's singing voice.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: I miss him.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, John, I wish you were in the area.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's uh Monday is actually my birthday, so uh this evening we're going out for some karaoke.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_02: So we're gonna we're gonna sing one for you.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, so which moves us into our third shot, our third hit.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so on the third one, John, guests toast, what's it to?
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: I would like to do a toast to my good friend, uh Elizabeth Suggs, who you had on the show, because today is her birthday.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, happy birthday, Elizabeth.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: We'll have to shoot her a message.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_02: All right, and here's to Elizabeth.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_02: Good toast, man.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: I should say good friend and um business partner.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_02: What uh uh so you said that you would you would listen to the episode that she was on.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_02: What fight did we do with her?
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh uh it was what's her name from Scooby-Doo uh Velma the Slender Man.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Velma, yeah, that's right.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_02: Velma versus the Slender Man.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: That was a good one.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: I all I remember is because I'm like, you guys had this whole uh idea that she could rip off his mask and reveal like the white guy, like Jeff.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's a it's a rich guy.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: The part I remember most from that episode was Slender Man riding on a on a mine cart uh uh does a loop and loop.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was like every episode of Scooby-Doo.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so many mine shamps.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: When I was a kid in like the 90s, Scooby-Doo didn't have the mask.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: They got rid of that and they were doing like real ghosts and stuff.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's true.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_02: No, I remember it, I think that's that started with Zombie Island.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: If you recall Zombie Island, they were already soft track.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: We're already soft tracked.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_02: Something along the way.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I remember that one too.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: They were real ghosts, and I was like, okay.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they really moved broke out of their theme.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_02: Rich white men bought Scooby-Doo.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: They were like, we can't keep blaming us for this.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: And okay, but I do remember there was also the key, there was a version of the show, do you remember, where they were little children?
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I do.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: I do remember one of their kids.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: Scooby-Doo was a puppy, and they did go back to the mask removal part for that show.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, they did?
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: No, I never saw that one.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_02: I remember that one.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: But I just I still remember the one with Cher on it.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_02: The Scooby-Doo with Cher.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_02: It was a two-part episode.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: Way off track.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: Way off.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: We've gotten so far off track.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_00: It was like a Batman one, right?
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that bringing it?
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: Bringing it back in, reeling it back in.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm already the show.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, sorry.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: Starting the show.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Cher's gonna be pissed about that.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_02: So again, uh, John, thanks for joining us.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_02: And uh thank you, audience, as always.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, please, if you can, like, subscribe, do all those things.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know how we didn't start the show yet.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: Please, please share us.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sure.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like us.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the more you share us, the quicker I'll start the show.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: No, start the show.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_02: All right, so let's do this thing.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's we've gotten a little drunk, we've gotten a little high.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's time to jump into our question.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_02: So, the question I have for you guys today, it's gonna require a little introspection.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_02: Boo.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: Boo, looking at myself.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_02: Boo.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: So on this one, you have been granted the power to become a fly on the wall.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_02: My question for you guys is if using this ability, what do you think people would say about you?
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: So you're a fly on the wall, friends, whoever it happens to be, what do you think the world says about you?
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: Guests first, Jonathan, what do you think?
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_02: You're a fly on the wall.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_02: What does your mom say about you?
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: Why would you do this to me?
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's all gonna be negative, I'm sure I'm making.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they're either gonna say nothing, or it's gonna be like, uh, he's kind of a dick, or oh, he thinks he's so smart, or him with his master's degree.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: So clever with his call him master rock.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I don't know.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: This is like psychological torture.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: Why would you do this?
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh really messed up.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't know.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I they probably say all kinds of things.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: They'd probably say some nice things like uh, oh, isn't he uh I don't know.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't he lovely?
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's exactly what you know.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's what they they all just sing now when you're away.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: Is it like a prompt?
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: Is it like like like hidden camera where it's like, hey, what do you really think of uh you just happen to roll into that conversation?
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna tell him anything.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: This is just between us, you know, have a few yeah.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_02: One of those events is playing out, like we all imagine happens about us, but doesn't actually happen about us.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we're all so uh self-centered that we think that as soon as we leave the room, the world just continues talking about us.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't you didn't let me finish.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't let me start.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's I was gonna refute that.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_02: Well, um, so let's break it down like this.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_02: So um, what would your family say?
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, and what would your friends say?
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_02: And then what do you like if you had I mean hopefully you don't have any sort of enemy, but if it's someone else out there, what what do you think?
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_02: So let's start with your family.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think your family would say?
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh gosh, I don't know.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm divorced, and uh I think my wife, my ex-wife, she took the family, both sides of the family with her.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: So not all probably enough.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_02: Take another drink.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm not drunk enough for this in-depth conversation.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: If you listen to the Elizabeth one where she got asked what your what book would your life be?
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: I know I'm like, uh, I wanted the same question.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: I would also be a romance book.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I it would be more like a teaser adventure.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'd be a coloring book.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: Can I ask it?
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: No, um, I don't know.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think here's the truth.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like most of us we're we're not all good, we're not all bad.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: They probably say some nice things, they probably say some mean things.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think I hope the one thing that I think my family would take away is they think that I'm a good dad, that I'm a good father.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's like that's the one thing I worry that people will judge me on, you know.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, well, that's interesting, Britain.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I think I think I'd like to bring it to that way.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: I like that you ended in a positive way, that you know, you you feel like they would say one specific positive thing at least about you.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: And hey, that's great.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_02: No, for sure, for sure.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, so well then so James, uh, so you gain the ability of flying the wall.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, if you don't want to break it down in terms of friends, I got it.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_02: Instead, break it down by what do you think something bad they might say, and what do you think something good they might say?
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't want to do that.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna do the other one.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: However you want to do it then.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna do the other one.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: So uh first off, I like that you know you brought it up before that you know, the first thing we do is think about what anyone's saying about us.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, man, I don't give a shit what everybody's thinking about me.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know, I'm doing my best.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm fucking trying.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't give a shit.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: And that's probably what they'd what they'd be.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: They'd probably be like, man, he doesn't give a shit.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, that guy doesn't give a shit.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, that's true.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I thought I made that really clear.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um but no, so I think I think there's I think that I like the way you broke it down before.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: Family.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: So family first, let's do Shara and Shara's family and my family.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: Definitely got the uh definitely thinks he's so smart.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: Got that one for sure.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um that one I I'm an asshole.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's I mean, we see we both came up with romance novels, both assholes, both both think we're too smart for sure.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um before we should be best friends.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so um, so family, probably that one, but also like a good problem solver and also uh really driven and enthusiastic.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'd hope.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh for for friends, you know, it depends on old friends.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: You, I I have no fucking clue what you think of me.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: There's been too much uh canon material and I literally have I literally I I've tried to think about what you you think of me, and I'm like, there's no I have no fucking idea.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea what he thinks about me.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: I know, but I mean like I don't know like if what's what if you'd be like, what do you think about him?
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how you see me at all.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: I've never asked.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe maybe maybe you can help me out with that sometime.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: We'll talk about it.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what do you think of me?
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we have an after party coming up.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'll answer that then.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: Great.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: And um but like my my friends that I have like in my coding community, they probably have a totally different opinion of me.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of them have like such a high opinion of me.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's so weird.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's I've had to like come to this huge adjustment in my life where people have like a high opinion of me, um, without almost any like drawbacks.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like people have just a really good opinion of me.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: I've like made so many mistakes in my life that it's so difficult for me to accept that kind of role.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: I've like hurt people so bad that I I have trouble accepting that someone can just have a really good opinion of me.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um so it's really strange.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's had it's been something that I've had to confront recently.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize it'd be this hard to be like good and liked.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize how hard it'd be to accept that in myself, you know.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um I feel like I'm doing a good job, but I always feel like a fraud.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's weird.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's interesting.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: I got bad imposter syndrome.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: Imposter syndrome, exactly.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: I I feel like we need to start having a therapist just on retainer for this show.
• 17:14
  unknown: Yeah.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: Where's my goddamn Biden care?
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: I want it so bad.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: Give me some fucking health care.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh um, and then for me, um that's you you went a lot of interesting ways with it.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: And um the first thing uh that I I at least hope, uh, you know, I I I've moved away from the thought that you had when you were younger where as soon as you leave the room, as soon as your friends are away from you, they're talking about you.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we talk shit about you all the time.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I I liked I've relaxed into the you know the mindset of that the world does not revolve around me.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_02: Why the fuck are they talking about me?
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's definitely part of it.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_02: But I I would say, you know, I really don't know.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_02: I this makes me realize how little I think about it.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: Especially, I mean I guess especially when it comes to family.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I haven't really seen my any sort of biological family in years now.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_02: And then that's just always kind of been who I am.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_02: I'm very what's happening to me in the present.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: Me too.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_02: And then the things that are outside of that, like uh, you know, I uh you know, I call when a son should and everything like that, but uh, you know, I'm busy.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even do that.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm bad.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I do feel bad about it every once in a while, but it's like I, you know, I'm trying to build a life here.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: I'm you know, I kind of have a few uh cards stacked against me here that I'm trying to fight through.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um but then so but you brought it up and it kind of made me think about my professional life and at work, I'm an asshole.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um and but I also I I've started doing that for a reason, just because I I I want to make sure because I'm coming off the same place as you are.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I guess when we're younger, we're all kind of assholes.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I want to keep that in check.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: And so I tend to, especially in a professional environment and things like that, and because I am in the military, um, and I can be a little more, you know, professionally vicious, yeah.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_02: I like to keep everyone at hand's length, you know, at arm's reach, you know.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I don't like letting people get too far in because I I feel when things become personal, that's when you make mistakes.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean that's when you uh you know go a little too far, you you know, say some things you probably shouldn't have, or you know, and but you're missing out on a relationship for fear of messing up.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's the thing, that's the lesson there is that people mess up.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: And that's okay.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: And as long as you show to the people you care about that you're committed to growth, um, and talk to them and be like, I messed up, we all mess up.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: I I want to work through this because I value our relationship, that's how you grow.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: You have to confront that though.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: You can't keep everyone at arm's length.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_02: No, that's true.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_02: And it well, I'm even saying it from a uh a point of view where the the closer I let myself to someone, the cl the harder I have to check my own impulses.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean But that's good.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good thing.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's not a bad thing to have to check your own impulses.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: Be wanting to have someone close to you and checking your impulses on their behalf, yeah, that's an amazing feeling.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: You get such a feeling of self-worth from saying, I want to check, I'm not checking my impulses because I have to, I'm doing it because I want a relationship with this person, and they make me want to check my impulses so that I don't hurt them.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: And it's a valuable lesson to learn that in I never saw my parents do that shit.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like they were at each other's throats all the time, and that's how I learned to have a relationship.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so it was really hard for me to learn that lesson.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: But now that I'm kind of programmed myself to give and like and feel like if I if I give something up, am I really losing it or am I doing it because I love a person?
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: And it's actually helping me and our relationship grow.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, then it's not death, it's f it's like fodder for the plants, it's food for the plants.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: Well, then bringing it back over.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, so Jonathan, um, what are your final thoughts on the topic?
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: Damn, I'm like listening to all this.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, shit, I do need therapy.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to High and Dry.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_02: We lead you in with Pikachu fighting Darth Maul, and then we cram this crap into you.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: This is getting so deep.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, dang, I can really relate to a lot of this.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, that's great.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: That means there's probably a lot of people out there who relate to help.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, like uh for so, like we already said, for me, for example, I've I've gotten to the point where I kind of keep everyone at arm's reach.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, you know, because I know, you know, I've been granted, I've been gifted from my uh family line impulse control when it comes to just about everything.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so in order to curb that, because of be from a desire to be a better person, I've sort of fallen into like stay three feet back, I'm gonna be a little bit of an asshole.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: But uh, you know, I mean.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's probably not the way to go either.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: So, John, so back to you.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, well, what what do you think?
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: So, final thoughts on the topic.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you're a fly on the wall.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: What what you you have to what what do people think of you, man?
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think of yourself?
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, okay, some of the things you said were like problem solving and blah blah blah.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not good at that kind of stuff.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh yeah, if I have a problem, he can help me.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's one of the positive things.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: I do think I can be kind of a jerk sometimes.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I'm too honest.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you've heard that criticism before, but yeah, but I was being an asshole at those times.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's what I had to learn was that that's me being an asshole.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: I should probably knock that shit off.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: There's like this this fine line that I'm trying one day I'll learn to walk where it's like, I don't want to be dishonest, but I also don't want to be an asshole.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so you're like, how do you navigate that space?
• 23:01
  unknown: You know.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I found with my wife was that you can always just ask someone, be like, how would how do I politely tell you, you know, that I I have this, there's this thing that that whatever, you know, that's that's wrong that I don't feel comfortable with, and I'd like to express it to you.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how can I do that in a way that won't hurt you?
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: And and if they and if they if you just say, you know, like I'm not here to hurt you, if you make that clear when you're doing it, uh, even if you include it in the question, it like makes a lot of sense to people where they're like, this person's not trying to hurt me by bringing this up.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: They just want to talk to me.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like my job as an editor, I've been an editor for a long time, is like I always say, you know, no one pays me to kiss their butt.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: They pay me to find all their mistakes and hopefully find solutions.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, growth, a growth mindset.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um and hopefully they they don't mind when I say, Oh, this doesn't really make sense, or this is unclear, or this is terrible, and you suck, but you know, we're whatever.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would say yeah, but starting out with like a you're you're setting expectations.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's part of it.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: You're saying, hey, in this relationship, I'm going to be very honest with you because that's what you're paying me for.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: You say that right out of the gate.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: You're setting expectations for the relationship.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: But a lot of people start relationships without setting expectations.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: And therefore, things like people have differing expectations and therefore don't get what they were expecting or wanting.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: And that creates miscommunication.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: So you're setting the terms of the relationship up front, and that's very healthy.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we could do more of that in our personal lives if we were to do that with people we're close with.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: That would be very healthy.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: What is it?
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: What's the thing that Thumper's dad says in Bambi?
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so, like, yeah, it's like, okay, just you know, obviously I shouldn't give unsolicited advice on things, but uh, you know, if they ask and they say, Oh, give me honest feedback, then I feel like they don't have a right to be upset at that point.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: No, I think so.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_02: And and a deaf, especially in like the the literary world, I mean, you you have to thicken your skin a little bit.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm very sensitive.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: Every writer I know is very sensitive when it comes to artwork.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: Same in programming.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: Anybody who has to like put words down, I think.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, really.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: Well, see, when I first when I first started in the whole writing world and sending my stuff out there, I I just read a bunch on just you know that you can't be.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um so for me myself, um, when it came to you know showing work to anyone or anything like that, I I'm I'm very good at flipping that off, you know, and I basically and I mean I guess I mean I'm also you know a military guy and an asshole and all that, so I don't know if that factors into it, but um I'm very good at just uh-huh, interesting, interesting, and then just just taking myself out of that particular thing.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's such a good skill.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: Sarah said I had a skill to walk away from any conversation, to like get out of any conversation.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember saying once to a person, all right, I'm gonna go over here now.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: I said that to their face.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: I need to write this down.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good one.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna go over here now.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_02: Well, uh then James, uh, just if you have any um final thoughts on the topic.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_02: Fly on the wall, people are talking shit.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_02: That's everything.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_02: All right, and then uh the for me, um, I you know, it it's probably only half fixed.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, just the way I I handle the situation is you know indicates that um I understand that there is an issue, um, but it's not quite fixed yet.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, I would have no no problem, dilemma, or you know, letting people close or as far as they want or anything like that.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um so that that's that's me recognizing that there's still work to do.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um but uh I I I always man.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: Forever.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's just life is work and then you die.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: But working toward working for someone feels so good.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: It it's something I didn't realize a while ago.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I I just hope that the the people, I mean, because like at work, one of the things I do, like even when we have a new person, I explain to them what level of trash they are to me.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: You're top level trash, let me tell you.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um even just uh it was the other week.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: I had um when a guy first came in, I I said just you know how he's this linerless fucking uh trash bin um that I wouldn't spit in and that sort of thing.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_02: And then I but then I just say that, but then later on I see that he's you know he's working hard and doing all those things, and I had written him an award.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: Like I tried to you know push it up and get leadership to respect that.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: And at the end of it, I wrote that you know he came to me as this linerless trash bin.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but now he's one of those bespoke ones from Pottery Barn.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um the special liner.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it has a special scented liner, and there's a glade plug-in nearby.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: You can only buy one type of trash bag, the trash bag that fits that garbage can that particular garbage can.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and and so I I just hope that you know people recognize that you know he's a bit of a dick, but he he's he's honestly just doing it so he doesn't become a dick.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, who knows?
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_02: Who knows?
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_02: But I am not a fly on the wall.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, all I do know is that's the end of philosophy therapy time.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get to the good stuff.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's time to get into a fist fight.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: But before we do that, we gotta get a little more drunk and we gotta get a little more high.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: That was some bullshit.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: So let's pour them up.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: That was bullshit.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: So uh James, what's this one too?
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh this one is oh damn, you told me, didn't you?
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's Sonic the Hedgehog versus Oh God, hold on just a sec.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: He's in Marvel.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um he uh he never stops fucking smiling.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: Never stops smiling in Marvel.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um his uh sister was once uh very beautiful elf in Lord of the Rings.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, Loki.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: Loki, gotcha, gotcha.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: There we go.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: Couldn't remember.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm always too high.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_02: So here's to Sonic the Hedgehog, and here's to Loki.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_02: Uh drinking out of that high and dry podcast shot glass.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_02: What an interesting pair-up.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: What an what an interesting pair.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, actually, we owned we owned a hedgehog and it was named our first hedgehog, it was named Loki.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: For what?
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: Whoa.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_02: That that's trippy.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't even think about that until just now, but wow.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, weird.
• 29:24
  unknown: Huh.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: Are we so are we using the hedgehog?
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: Is it gonna be hedgehog versus hedgehog?
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: Is that is that canon?
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: Is that officially canon?
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think our hedgehog, well, first of all, it's dead.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you get him at its strongest.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: You get the hedgehog at its strongest.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: So uh for those of you first-time listeners and who've stuck around at this point.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: We've got this far.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: Congratulations.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_02: You've gotten this far, and you've been able to look at yourself as a fly on the wall.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_02: Congratulations.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um you're miles ahead of everyone else of us, all of the rest of us who don't have healthcare.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: How high and dry does it is we break this down into a three-round method that guarantees satisfaction.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_02: Round one, the two characters enter into a basement, uh fight club style, Brad Pitt looks on, the two characters take off shirt, shoes, belt, and they just beat the hell out of each other.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_02: Round two, the zooms out into the city view, where these characters have both received a manila envelope beneath their apartment doors or wherever it is Sonic lives.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: And gets it delivered to a men like one of those robotic balls.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: In a bush or under a tree stump.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's somewhere.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_02: And um, and they're they're now aware that they have 24 hours to kill the other one.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: They have access to all the things that make them them, and worst case scenario, they can go out and buy a shotgun.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then round three is the same thing as round two, except this time they get to bring a friend.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_02: Round one, we're ready to get started.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: These two characters have been brought down to the Gen X bar.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: Brad Pitt has explained the rules.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: Meanwhile, Cher and Carl Urban have been escorted up to the box office.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_02: The philosophers have been seated after them.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and now we're ready to look down on this fight.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Fight for us.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_02: So Sonic.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: You demand entertainment.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_02: So they just start beating the hell out of each other.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_02: No anything, nothing at all.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: So Sonic the Hedgehog starts, I guess, ramping up and flies into Loki.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_02: Fight is on.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, guests first, round one is begun.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_02: John, who do you think is gonna take it?
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: Sonic or Loki?
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: What happens?
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, round one, so he doesn't have his knives, right?
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: Or his like knives.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, Bradford is very thorough.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, this one to Sonic because Loki has his his skill set is all about setting people up, influencing them, tricking them into their this elaborate scheme, right?
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: This round he can't do any of that crap.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't even have his weapons.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: And if you've seen all of the uh Marvel movies, in a straight up fight, he always gets his ass handed to him every time.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like over and over again.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh what's her face?
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: Bulky, she beat his ass, obviously Hulk, pretty much all the Avengers at one point or another kicked his ass, even Hawkeye kicked his ass.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, these are true things.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because that's not his skill set.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: His he okay, he took down a helicarian, but that was with planning, with manipulation, but in a straight-up fight, he gets his ass handed to him every time.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: I like that idea.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: I I like that idea.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I do have I do have a slight well Loki does have magic, he does have access to magic inherently.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: But he you're right.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: A lot a lot of his magic though is trickery-based.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like how much can Sonic be tricked?
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because honestly, Sonic is persistent.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: If you've ever played the Sonic games, you know how fucking annoying it is uh to have to try to beat some of these bosses.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Sonic will persistently miss and then come back.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: He's not gonna play, but I can barely get past the second world.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, yeah, you can we get him at his best.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: Sonic Sonic is nothing if not incredibly persistent at attacking one one thing.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, all right.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, and then from can I just say one thing?
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: So you said trickery, so like he could he makes duplicates of himself, and he's quick Thor into like jumping at or other characters at jumping at like an empty version of himself.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I could see like him using that and Sonic running to a wall.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: But Sonic is so fast, he can run through all the illusions.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: It wouldn't be a he wouldn't die from that move, though.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: He would just hit his wall.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: He'd just come back, he'd he he never stops.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it also depends on how many coins he got on the way here.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um well uh then for me.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: There's no spikes, there's no spikes in the basement.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, for me, I I see that Sonic just ramping up and yeah, it just rips clean on thrum.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like it is it is brutal.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um he gives the people the blood they came here for, uh in my opinion.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: Hedgehogs do have a weak spot on their tummy, if it's a very soft tummy.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, I I guess it would depend on you know how but uh the only thing I could see happening then is that it gets close enough just to get the audience tantalized.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Sonic misses a few times.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then he rips through them.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah eventually.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: Eventually, Sonic is going through Loki.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: Because I mean like a whole bunch of ghost Loki's, right?
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: That like you know what I'm talking about, the ones that are just like all of them, but he's like doo, doo, doo, doo doo, doo, doo running through all of them, right?
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: That would be what would be happening.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's gonna start running in a circle and he's gonna make that circle smaller and smaller until until Loki's no has nowhere to go.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: And by then he's pissed.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, okay.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: All right, well then I I think we're pretty good to go on this one.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: I I feel like we're we're in agreement.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_02: If uh if you guys are alright with it, I'm just gonna say Sonic takes round one.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds good.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Easily, yeah.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_02: All right, so round one goes to Sonic, which moves us into round two.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_02: Clear winner.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: Very clear.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_02: So we now have moved into the City View.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_02: These two characters have received their manila envelopes.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: They understand that they have to go kill the other one.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: Sonic gets a rock thrown at him and has writing on scratch writing.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, he's got like I mean, I mean like fucking tails and all of them are using technology.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's true.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: They do have like an airship and shit, don't they?
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: They do?
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh shit.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like the Sonic cards.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_02: It gets weird.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: It gets weird.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: There's like an airplane for some reason.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like killing.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: I do remember that.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, well, so round two has just begun.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: The characters now know that they have to kill the other one.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: They have you know 24 hours to pull it off.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: What do we think's gonna happen?
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: Guests first, John, what do you think is gonna happen?
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I gotta give this one to Loki for sure.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: With even with a day planning, Loki can come up with some really manipulative shit.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know what kind of access he has to artifacts.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: All of it.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: All of it.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, because you know, in the movies, and also in he's got knives, of course, but he's also got all kinds of magical shit.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's got the ice thing, he's got the mind control stick.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: He's got tons of shit.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's always got crap.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: He's got equipment.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: He's he's got he's got a whole bunch of equipment and he knows how to use it.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, he can prepare a trap easily enough, I think.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: Also, Sonic's a fucking idiot.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: If you if anybody watched cartoons or games or anything, Sonic's a fucking moron.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay, that makes sense.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Loki's pretty smart.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's his that's his ability is thinking, out outsmarting, outwitting.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: Sonic's always confused.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: He's always like, what's going on?
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_02: Fist.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, uh well then James, uh, what what happens?
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I think Sonic, I think Sonic goes looking for Loki, but Loki is not he Loki went somewhere where Sonic can't find him, and then there Loki prepares, and then Loki comes to Earth when Sonic is not expecting it and takes his his girlfriend or whoever hostage, because that's how comic books work.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um he's gonna take someone close to Sonic hostage, and then he's going to end up making Sonic puts putting Sonic in a vulnerable position where he succeeds.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: Probably I feel like Tails would fall victim to that pretty easily.
• 37:48
  unknown: Right?
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: Sadly, you know, if if Sonic had tails, perhaps this would be a different fight, but sadly Sonic is alone right now.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if Tails would also get tricked, but they would at least be a pair.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: But right now, it's just Sonic against Loki.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: And so you're gonna say, well, all right.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna say Loki wins this one.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, and then for me, so I see the little hedgehog shooting off.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and you know, Loki's gonna start planning.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I I would I would say that the bar that Loki has to overcome in the Marvel universe in order to be clever is pretty fucking low.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: Sonic doesn't even have Sonic doesn't know what clever is.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's worse.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we're talking about a universe where the Air Force decided, no more bombs, we're making a hovering base.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're making a floating pentagon, and we went, but why?
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and he's like, uh uh uh I don't know.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's still still miles above Sonic.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, still miles above Sonic.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_02: And for that, I would have to say, Loki will take this one.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_02: I I think that I think that given enough planning and time, one of the three of us could potentially kill Sonic the hedgehog.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, I mean I live in America, I have 24 hours, I can have a gun.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um he's not super detail-oriented, Sonic.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: And in fact, most of his life is a blur.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't take a whole lot to hurt him.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, he can swim, and he touches a spike or a bug, a metal bug, and he goes, ah, and like jumps in the air.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: Two hits, one he loses his rings, two, he's dead, you know.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_02: No, and I guess it also depends on like the iteration of Sonic.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, because at the same time, he gets to the end of a running level and he literally takes down hovering bases.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_02: He just keeps bouncing at him.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, yeah, Loki takes down hovering bases too.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: I I think Loki is more competent than Dr.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: Robotnik, though.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's pretty close.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's pretty fucking close.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's pretty close, but he's got more artifacts and shit, so he's more competent.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: He did he did achieve a lot of power against not the Avengers, but like a bunch of other ones, right?
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: He did put himself in positions of power and succeed when it wasn't his a very specific set of people interacting with him.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if Sonic makes the grade.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_02: I suppose.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, well then uh so um uh John, final vote then?
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well, don't forget, Loki's died like a hundred times and somehow keeps coming back.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: So it's true.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, well, I mean Sonic only has to do it once.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: Uh then John, your final vote then?
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think the more time you give Loki, the better his odds.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_02: So one for Loki, James, the same.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then me, I'm gonna have to say the same.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, definitely.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna Was that always the case?
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I would say so.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_02: I would say so.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: Were you were you were you waiting for a good sonic argument?
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_02: No, I mean at the end of the day, I feel like you gave me 24 hours against this fucking hedgehog, and I I could probably figure it out.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the hard part about these like kinds of contests is like there's this unspoken rule in comics that like the hero always wins no matter what, right?
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yeah, when theme comes in.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: If this were a comic book, Sonic would win because he's Sonic and he's a good guy, and Loki's a bad guy.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: So Sonic wasn't in a comic book.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's no he's got Sonic's got a comic book.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, he does?
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, well then maybe Sonic wins.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um well, but then at the same time, I mean Loki's getting his own show.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's a dark horse comic where you know bad guys can win.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: Sonic gets bought by Dark Horse.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, I would totally read that fucking comic where Sonic like is roll like he tears through he like all of his friends get murdered and he sees their grisly corpses and it drives them to take revenge on Dr.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: Robotnik.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: I would read it.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Dr.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, Dr.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: Robotnik's not chasing me anymore.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm chasing Dr.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: Robotnik.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it starts with the memories playing out in like the spilled whiskey that he's putting his cigarette out on.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like those, you know, they you know how there's Archie comics, but they also have like the horror version of Archie Comics.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they could do that for anything.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um but I mean, even that being the case, I I think that right now, the way it's going, um, with Disney realizing that their their second run of heroes isn't really working out, um, with with you know, like cat with the new captain and all that kind of stuff.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and with the fandom that Loki did manage to gather as the bad guy, and with them making him his new show and everything like that, I feel like they're trying to alter the perception of him, so he's like, hey, I'm good too.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_02: And um, so I can see him potentially going up against that particular theme.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, I'm pretty sure that Disney has more money than Sega.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's true.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: So you know, one thing that's interesting about looking in the comics is he was originally a bad guy, but you know, he's based on this like trickster guy.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: So they've always kind of played fast and loose with his status as a villain or an anti-hero, or just kind of a nuisance, or or sometimes even a hero, like in uh he's a hero too at times in the comics.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's like a professional wrestler.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's all over the place when it turns to he's like, what is that, chaotic neutral or something?
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_00: Chaotic evil, maybe I don't know.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: Whichever one is like he don't know what the hell he's gonna do.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_00: He's kind of a dead type of guy.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so uh yeah.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: True neutral.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: Well then well then, James, for two round uh for the second round, uh what's your vote?
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: Loki.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_02: Loki, yeah.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: No, um, I'm gonna go Loki too.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: We already done that.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_02: Did we?
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's already over.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_02: I've been drinking.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we already read it.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we already did that.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_02: We just started talking again, and maybe it opened back up.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: All right, third round.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_02: So round three, we've now zoomed back.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_02: We're still out there, but now this time they get to bring a friend.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and this might really help Sonic out, uh, or it might hurt him.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_02: Who knows?
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_02: John, round three, who do they bring?
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_02: What happens?
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_02: Guests first, what goes down?
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think uh Loki is probably gonna bring Thor.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: They're gonna fight, but they'll work it out.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know, overlapping agendas and all that.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh who would Sonic bring?
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it matters.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: Knuckles is be my choice because he doesn't mess around, you know.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: Tails is punk.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: So Tails gives air secure.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: Who can you trust more than your little brother?
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: He's the Luigi, Luigi of the game.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um, well, James, uh, who do they bring?
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: What happens?
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_02: What goes down?
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't I don't know if Loki would bring uh Thor.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: Thor would have to Thor would have to insert himself in it.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: Loki doesn't want to bring Thor.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: Thor's just always there because Loki because he rescued Loki.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: But it's always in it's always in uh Thor's movies that Loki teams up with them.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: Loki has a movie, I think.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think Loki has a movie now.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: Well team, yeah.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and he does not team up with Thor.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_01: He he he does his own things, he makes his own decisions, and I think he can make a better decision than Thor.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: He teams up with Owen Wilson, actually.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh well that's what I would do.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_02: Shanghai Noon all the way.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so so Loki Loki is able to bring in the Shanghai Noon universe to this fight, then.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm down for it.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_01: So so Loki's able to pull in the theme, you know, because specifically Owen Wilson.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, specify is it just Owen Wilson's theme?
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, are you s if you're saying he brings in Jackie Chan?
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: No, he doesn't bring in Jackie Chan, just Owen Wilson's character and the theme.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: And the theme.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: The Owen Wilson character's theme in that movie.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: Just being a deadbeat, like a lovable deadbeat who fails upward.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_01: Who fails up.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: So he's got a lovable deadbeat, Owen Wilson, who brings the failing upward theme into this fight.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but there's no way that Thor doesn't just randomly show up.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's gonna be in the show.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_00: We know he's gonna show up at some point.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: A cameo.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's gonna be a cameo.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_00: Loki cannot just live his life.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_00: He tries his hardest to live his life, and Thor always ends up right in the thick of it.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, well then what else?
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_01: But we can't bring his but Sonic can't bring Thor into it.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: If Thor acts as like a problem.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_02: But what I would say though, um just because talking about themes, um, when it comes to Loki, um, I I feel that's like in the Marvel universe, um, they're very bent on getting your ass kicked will overcome whatever intelligence you have.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, fail upward.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, you you have that's a failing upward mentality.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean you have you have Tony Stark, who they kind of play off as the most intelligent dude in the universe.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_02: Failed upward, who keeps failing upward, but then he's also Robert Downey Jr.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_02: and he's he's cool, and you know, and but then you have Thor, who's his jockey brother, um, and then eventually all of his plans are for not because as Tony said, we have a Hulk, yeah, and then he just gets wrecked.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, Disney's trying to show us that Braun will beat intelligence every time, and that's why I think um Sonic will bring Knuckles.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_02: I think Sonic will bring Knuckles, and Sonic will be like, I brought a Knuckles, and then Knuckles will beat it.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: And then Knuckles wrecked itself.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then Knuckles just beats the fuck out of it.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, Owen Wilson gets between them.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, hey, oh, hold on.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_00: This is like, wow, wow, hold on.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, if I if I remember accurately the 90s, Knuckles was like the cool badass version of Sonic, right?
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_00: So whereas Sonic would spin around and make the Loki dizzy, Knuckles is gonna be his face.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_00: Just beat the fuck out of him.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_00: With those Knuckles, with those huge.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Knuckles was kind of pragmatic.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, I'm a badass, I don't care about the rules.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not nice.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: That was his thing.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and and I think that um while Loki is getting his shit wrecked, why are you asking questions and being considerate of others, you fucking loser?
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_01: Sonic.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: Stop asking questions, trying to gain understanding, just act, you dummy.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_02: I I think that while Loki's getting his shit wrecked, we're going to get us as the audience, we'll have the joy of watching Owen Wilson tangle with Sonic, and that'll end in a draw.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_02: But the fight was against Loki, who is dead because Knuckles beat the fuck out of her.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, how much time does Loki have to plan in this stage?
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_02: 24 hours.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_02: But but like as we saw, even what no matter the time he has, if the if the movie needs to end and Disney's directing it, he's just gonna get wrecked.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_00: He does get his shit wrecked.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_00: The Disney rule of the the ass beating.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, eventually he's gonna get his ass beat.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: He gets his ass beat.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: He gets wrecked eventually.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what you're trying to teach us, Disney.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: But if you can abandon us every time he gets his ass wrecked.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm thinking about like Thor Ragnarok, right?
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_00: Loki he does good at the end, but then at the beginning of the next movie, he gets his ass handed to him by Thanos.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_00: So I guess maybe that sort of you know Yeah.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, well, I mean Cheers.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um I mean maybe Cheers.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: Let's take a cheer, let's take a cheers.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_01: So Loki's plot making sure that when it's a large a large film where he's not in cooperation with the hero, that he will get his ass beat.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: That is his theme.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_00: Here's the ass pounded Well, I mean, when Thanos killed him, he was on the the side of the uh Thor.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, so he's not protected by whose side he's on.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's because that's that's because Thanos kicked everyone's ass.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_01: Destined.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: Destined to get his interesting kick.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_02: Without um well, then I would say because because I was I'll put one more thing forward for Loki's sake, that Loki, because he has the the sort of planning that's required of High and Dry Podcast, he would bring the one um Marvel hero who's unstoppable, Toby Maguire.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um and what I't Toby Maguire, the dancing Toby Maguire.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_02: The dancing Toby Maguire.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_01: I knew it.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_01: I knew that's what she wanted.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: Because technically, Marvel Universe.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_02: Very, very technically.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so uh or um or Tom Hardy.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Toby Maguire is gonna be in the new Spider-Man movie.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you heard that.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's gonna look just like Michael Keaton's gonna be in the new uh Flash movie.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: But um I would say it's supposed to be as Spider-Man with Andrew Garfield.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, really?
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's gonna be the rumor is they're doing um the the Spider-Verse.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh they're gonna be the other Spider-Man from the other movies.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, that's awesome.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_00: I love Dead of the Spider-Verse.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: Great movie.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean we'll see.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I like the Concord, one of my favorites.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_02: And that movie was um well, uh but then I would say there's one more weakness that Marvel has is that they do not have the ability to reach over the aisle into other parts of their fractured comic universe that they sold to different entities.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that closes them off to a lot of things, and his only chance, and so he wouldn't be able to reach back for Toby.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like you like you can't reach into Sony for their stuff, or you or you're otherwise you wind up with that shit version of Quicksilver.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so yeah, so that being said, I think what's gonna go down is it's it's gonna come right down to the wire.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Owen Wilson and Loki are like standing above Sonic's bruised and bloody corpse, almost corpse, yeah.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_02: And then he opens his eyes and he's like, I have a knuckles, and that's just fucking it.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I I see that that's what happens for me.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_02: Well, so so Jonathan, uh, final thoughts and your vote.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_02: What happens?
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, did you see um they did bring over that other quick sliver into uh did you see um Yeah, that's what it was.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_00: Want a vision, yeah.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I don't know.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: I kind of well, see here's the two things that I'm conflicted about.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: Number one, given enough time, Loki always comes with good plans.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_00: But then again, in the movies, those plans are always thwarted because the hero wins, you know, that's just the rule.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_00: So if we're living in a hero wins world, then there's no chance.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_01: But is there precedence in his comics for succeeding without being thwarted?
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: Who, Loki?
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_01: Is there precedence for him ever having like long-term gains?
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he became, you know, ruler of several realms for a number of years in the movies.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's but it's all but it's never long-term gain.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's always a short-term thing that he ends up being ousted and then goes to a different thing.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, when he turned good, he ended up getting killed for it, so I mean there's a lesson there.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_02: Keep that in yeah.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm curious to see how the show goes because he's the protagonist of the show, so he's gotta win this one.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_00: He needs a win at some point, you know.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think he I think his best planning is mid-movie.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the second round of our fight was mid-movie.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's a movie where it's a movie where there's only two things where you don't bring in all this other junk that you have to consider.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's a mid-movie portion.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_01: And Sonic Lost.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_01: And Sonic Lost, because it was mid-movie.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: But once you move to late movie, uh where you have an ensemble and shit, uh, Loki loses when that happens.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_00: I kept I keep seeing this image in my mind of these knuckles bearing down on his face.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: Destroy breaking it, you know.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Thompson just beat his ass, and I think it would be the same in close quarters fight with knuckles.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think, yeah.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think what you were saying, knuckles and his knuckles are right.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think that I have to vote in that favor too, so all right.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_02: So there's one from uh for uh Sonic.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um James.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still undecided.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: What what do you think?
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_01: You tell me.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm saying that like I said before, I I just don't see.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if we're if we were talking the uh the Norse god Loki, this might be a little different, but we're we're not we're not.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um and what I see happening is that you see Knuckles like white glove coming down off screen, and you know Loki's face is down there, yeah.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_02: And then eventually it comes back and his white glove is red.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_02: And then Owen Wilson goes, wow.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_00: And then they have matching noses, which would be really funny.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I I just think I think that Sonic's gonna take round three.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_01: I always agreed.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you had never had any other opinion.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: We haven't had we haven't had a actually in our last episode, there were a lot of disagreements.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_02: There was some contention.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_02: All right, well, there you have it.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_02: So Sonic takes it away.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_02: Uh two to one.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_02: Congratulations, Sonic.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_02: Way to go, team.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_01: We did it.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_02: We figured that shit out.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_01: Masteretic in the house.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: We all get we got we got our votes in.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: We all agree.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_01: There's no contention here.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_02: So uh Jonathan, and thank you so much for joining us here.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_02: And way to go, Sonic.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, cheers, cheers to Sonic ripping uh ripping Tom Hiddleston to pieces.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_02: Pieces.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_02: We're waiting for that script.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_01: Cheers, you down both those mules.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_02: Way to go, man.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_02: All right, very nice.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_02: So again, uh Jonathan, thank you for joining us.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_02: It was great having you on.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was fun.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um where can we find you?
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I just wanted to mention we were originally talking about doing uh that Lady from the Conjuring, and I watched all three movies last night, even though I didn't have to.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I I hope you got as much enjoyment as the fandom does out of my.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's all you can see.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_00: They were all right.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, you were saying uh So where can we find you?
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh well I spent a lot of time on Instagram, so I have my handle there is illusions with an A underscore of underscore grandure, if you know how to spell that, underscore.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I also have a website.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh ctpfiction.com, and that's uh my publishing website that I share with my um co-owner and publisher, Elizabeth Silver.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what we say.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so we have that yeah, horror books and stuff that we're gonna put out.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_01: So awesome, we'll check that out.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um and uh James, where can you find us?
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_01: You can find us at high and dry podcast on Instagram.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_01: You can find us, oh, and Twitch.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_01: Eventually we'll put something on Twitch.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_01: We're doing it.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_01: We're we're trying.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's the thing shit's hard.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_01: You can find us at high and drypod on Twitter.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_01: You can find us at uh you can find Ryan at Barron underscore north on Twitter at Ryan Barron North on Instagram at Barron Ryan Barron North.com.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um you can find me at the Diabolical on Twitter and Twitch.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_02: And also if you're listening now, so we've just started our second racket, second bracket.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna put a front loader message on this also.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so we have our second bracket of tournaments going on now.
• 57:14
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• 57:16
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• 57:20
  SPEAKER_02: If you vote, you have a chance to win a shot glass.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we're on the second rounds now, so thank you so much for listening.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_02: John, thanks for coming in.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_02: We appreciate you.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, that's it.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_02: Bye.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_02: Bye.