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SCOTT PETERSON WRANGLES NEW TRIAL BID IN MURDERS OF LACI & BABY CONNER · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace.
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  Speaker 2: I never dreamed I would put these four words in
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  Speaker 2: the same sentence. Scott Peterson Innocence Project. You know, I've
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  Speaker 2: disagreed with a lot of cases, and this project has
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  Speaker 2: handled over the years the way that they handled it.
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  Speaker 2: But I've had deep respect for them.
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  Speaker 1: Not anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Really, this guy has been through an appeal, another appeal,
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  Speaker 2: another appeal, a habeas corpus and now this based on
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  Speaker 2: new evidence? What new evidence?
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grece, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories
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  Speaker 2: and on serious XEM one eleven. Let's take it back
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  Speaker 2: and get a little reality check on what really happened.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this. I can I help you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, my father in log call, he went playing golf.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning, nine thirty.
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  Speaker 4: My daughter has been listing since this morning and she
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  Speaker 4: eight months pregnant.
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  Speaker 2: She sunk her dog for a walk in the park
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  Speaker 2: and the dog came home with just the lead shock and.
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  Speaker 4: The dog came back without your daughter, Right.
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  Speaker 3: I tak the dog name got Peters, your stepdaughter lay Peter.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks her slin right p r F. He's why brought
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  Speaker 3: the stemic Asian She's Portugues.
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  Speaker 2: Like, how old is he?
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  Speaker 3: She's twenty six? Why can you she leave the Hoffman
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  Speaker 3: and come back that we don't know.
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  Speaker 5: We just had a call from our son.
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  Speaker 6: In law said he left this morning and nine thirty
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  Speaker 6: to play Dollie that home about a half hour ago.
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  Speaker 2: Nowhere around she went to walked the dog with walked.
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  Speaker 4: It Dicky in that heart chet and eight minute pregnant,
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  Speaker 4: he said, pardons.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, joining me an all star panel to make
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  Speaker 2: sense of what we know right now, including Christine Lazar
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  Speaker 2: joining US investigative reporter kkel CBS. They're in La who's
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  Speaker 2: been on a story all over the story, But first
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  Speaker 2: let me go to the director and founder of the
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  Speaker 2: Cold Case Research Institute, star of a hit series Zone
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  Speaker 2: seven podcast, Cheryl McCollum. Did you hear what I just heard?
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: This is a lightning around that means yes, no, if
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  Speaker 2: you can contain yourself.
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  Speaker 1: If not, I understand.
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  Speaker 2: Did I not hear on one but two occasions? And
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  Speaker 2: Rod Grantsky may he rest in peace. I'm on one
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  Speaker 2: call that Scott Peterson, Lacy's husband told him that he
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  Speaker 2: was golfing that morning.
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear that?
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  Speaker 6: Because I heard that loud and clear twice.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, Cheryl McCollum, I know what I did
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  Speaker 2: this morning. I woke up super early. I made a
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  Speaker 2: shake from my son, and oven baked bacon for.
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  Speaker 1: Him and Lucy. I took food to my mom.
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  Speaker 2: I fed the cats and the dogs and everybody, and
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  Speaker 2: then they went to school.
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  Speaker 1: I know exactly what happened this morning. Now, how is it?
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  Speaker 1: At first he thought he was playing golf, and then
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  Speaker 1: that change to he.
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  Speaker 2: Was fishing the morning his wife disappears fishing in the
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  Speaker 2: rain and the cold on Christmas Eve.
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  Speaker 1: In San Francisco. Babe, were her body turns up?
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  Speaker 6: Why?
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  Speaker 4: Because I think he realized they'd got my tag at
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  Speaker 4: the marina when I came in, and he also had
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  Speaker 4: to pay a fee that gives you a timestamp receipt.
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  Speaker 4: He knew that was something they were going to be
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  Speaker 4: able to prove.
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  Speaker 6: He had no choice put the change statement.
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl. My question was, why did he say he was
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  Speaker 1: playing golf?
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  Speaker 6: Because he law the night before that that's what he
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  Speaker 6: was going to be doing, so he had already put
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  Speaker 6: that in the universe.
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  Speaker 2: Del Carson, high profile lawyer joining me out of Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 1: What I like about Carson.
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  Speaker 2: It's not only is he high profile defense attorney. Don't
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  Speaker 2: like that as much, but former FBI and former cop
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  Speaker 2: in Miami Dade. Never a lack of business for cops
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  Speaker 2: in Miami Dade. Author of Arrest Proof Yourself. You can
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  Speaker 2: find him at del Carson.
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  Speaker 1: Law dot com. Okay Dell.
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  Speaker 2: He said he was playing golf because he was lying,
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  Speaker 2: because then he changes story to fishing based on what
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  Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum just said. He was busted going in and
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  Speaker 2: out of the marina. Look, I don't care that there
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  Speaker 2: is a guard gate when I take the children drop
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  Speaker 2: off a pickup. I don't care if I'm spotted. Why
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  Speaker 2: did he care?
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  Speaker 3: I know the answer to this, and it is quite simple.
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  Speaker 3: He's talking to his father in law. And any person
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  Speaker 3: who would leave the night before Christmas or the day
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  Speaker 3: before Christmas and go out fishing with his pregnant eight
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  Speaker 3: month old wife home by herself is not to be
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  Speaker 3: believed with anything. He says. How could a man do
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  Speaker 3: such a thing, And he certainly doesn't want to be
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  Speaker 3: called out by his father in law for being the
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  Speaker 3: absolute incredible liar that he is.
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  Speaker 2: Another thing, let me go to Christine Lazar and by
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  Speaker 2: the way, I agree with you Dale Carson. Now it's
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  Speaker 2: a cold day in h double l that Dale Carson,
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  Speaker 2: who has won a lot of Jerry trials, says a
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  Speaker 2: defendant is lying. Normally he takes their side, you know,
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  Speaker 2: no matter what. Christinazar joining me, investigator reporter ca cal Cbs.
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  Speaker 1: Christina Zar. Also the theory goes on that Lacy.
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  Speaker 2: Peterson, Now this is according to Scott Peterson, think he's
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  Speaker 2: got a reason to lie, got an his skin in
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  Speaker 2: the game, got a dog in the fight.
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  Speaker 1: He says she was going for a walk in the park.
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  Speaker 1: But isn't it true?
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  Speaker 2: Christine Lazarre that one of the several doctors monitoring Lacey's
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  Speaker 2: pregnancy testified at the original trial that Lacy had called
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  Speaker 2: the hero clinic complaining about being dizzy when she walked,
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  Speaker 2: and this doctor told her not to exercise or do
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  Speaker 2: it late in the day when she had plenty on
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  Speaker 2: her tummy and was hydrated.
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  Speaker 1: Now that doctor was doctor Tina A.
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  Speaker 2: Drockey, and she was under direct examination by prosecutor David Harris.
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  Speaker 2: She called again November the eighth, claiming she had shortness
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  Speaker 2: of breath.
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  Speaker 1: Again she was told don't.
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  Speaker 2: Exercise early in the day. Isn't that true, Christine Lazare.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: So at the time of the trial, I was a
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  Speaker 7: reporter in Fresno and they sent me up to Redwood
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  Speaker 7: City to cover it because, as you may remember, Scott
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  Speaker 7: Peterson's mistress, Amber Fry, was from the Fresno area.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, wait, just stop right there, Christine Wazar, I think
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  Speaker 2: my head is physically going to blow off because everything
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  Speaker 2: you just said is true. But now I'm talking about
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  Speaker 2: Lacey short of Bread. The doctor says she wasn't going
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  Speaker 2: to walk in the morning, and you brought up the
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  Speaker 2: F word Amber Fry, who happens to be a very
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  Speaker 2: lovely lady.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, YE spent time with her and her lawyer, who.
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  Speaker 2: I admire a lot, Gloria Allread. I mean, okay, go ahead,
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  Speaker 2: I think my head is still attached to my neck.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Christine.
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  Speaker 7: Well you know, look, I mean that really was the
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  Speaker 7: I guess you could say, smoking gun of that trial
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  Speaker 7: when we all sat around and listened to those audio
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  Speaker 7: tes Scott Peterson saying that he's at the Eiffel Tower,
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  Speaker 7: when in reality he's at a vigil for his missing wife,
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  Speaker 7: who was pregnant with his first child, his unborn child.
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  Speaker 7: Those memories of listening to those tapes will always stick
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  Speaker 7: with me being in that trial. When this first came
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  Speaker 7: out that the Innocence Project was taking on this case,
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  Speaker 7: all my colleagues wanted to know what it was like
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  Speaker 7: covering that trial. And I will also say, and I know, Nancy,
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  Speaker 7: you were there. One of the things we all talked
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  Speaker 7: about was Scott's demeanor and how he walked into that
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  Speaker 7: courtroom every day with a swagger and a smirk on
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  Speaker 7: his face, like.
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  Speaker 1: A cocky soob that was a star quarterback of his
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  Speaker 1: own murder trial. That's what it was like, I mean, all.
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  Speaker 7: Puffed up, yes, And it was hard to wrap your
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  Speaker 7: brain around the fact that even if he was innocent,
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  Speaker 7: he has a wife who is dead and his first
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  Speaker 7: child who died with her, and so it was hard
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  Speaker 7: to reconcile his behavior with the crime that we were
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  Speaker 7: all there.
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  Speaker 2: For, you know, changing a story from how could you
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  Speaker 2: get that wrong? The day your wife goes missing? And oh,
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  Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, correct me, wasn't that her father, stepfather Ron
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  Speaker 2: grant Ski, calling in, not her husband?
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  Speaker 6: So he didn't even make the call.
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  Speaker 4: He's showing no concern.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much there.
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  Speaker 2: But do you remember that, Cheryl McCollum, I was out
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  Speaker 2: in Redwood City covering the trial live, but I was
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  Speaker 2: in Atlanta, as were you, in New York much of
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  Speaker 2: the time when the investigation was going on.
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  Speaker 1: And I will never forget the moment. I remember where
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  Speaker 1: I was.
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  Speaker 2: I was standing in the lobby of my apartment building
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  Speaker 2: in New York, about eight blocks from the Court, TV
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  Speaker 2: studios and HLM, and the photo of Scott Peterson comes
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  Speaker 2: out with his hand on his mistress, Amber Fryes rear
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  Speaker 2: in and she had on this beautiful red Christmas dress
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  Speaker 2: and he was dressed up to go to her Christmas
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  Speaker 2: party while Lacey, eight months pregnant, stayed home with her
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  Speaker 2: feet up because she was feeling bad. Point feet up,
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  Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, last count you had.
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  Speaker 1: Two children feet up.
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  Speaker 2: She was so heavily pregnant she had to put her
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  Speaker 2: feet up all the time and was told directly by
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  Speaker 2: multiple doctors do not walk in the morning, if at all,
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  Speaker 2: because she was getting dizzy to the point of thinking
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  Speaker 2: she was going to pass out when she would go
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  Speaker 2: for a walk.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, So, do you remember that feeling where your ankles
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  Speaker 4: are swelling up. You don't even feel like getting up,
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  Speaker 4: much less walking. But she was told not to do
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  Speaker 4: it because she was at risk for doing that. She
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  Speaker 4: needed to rest. But Nancy, the pre and post behavior
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  Speaker 4: here is something we've talked about a lot. So not
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  Speaker 4: only is he having an affair, he is doing so
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  Speaker 4: where he is maintaining the relationship with Amber fryar Fry
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  Speaker 4: after Lacy goes missing. That to me is critical because
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  Speaker 4: people always say, well, just because you're having a bear
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  Speaker 4: doesn't make you a murderer. Absolutely, But that behavior after
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  Speaker 4: she went missing, where he's calling Amber during the candlelight
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  Speaker 4: vigil for Lacy and Connor, and he's explaining, oh, I'm
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  Speaker 4: watching these fireworks and I'm thinking of you. He's not
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  Speaker 4: searching for her, he's not desperate to find her and
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  Speaker 4: his unborn child. He is trying to maintain a relationship
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  Speaker 4: with somebody he's only known for weeks.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Cheryl, you just brought to my mind who
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  Speaker 2: I consider to be a friend, Lacey's mother, Sharon Roche,
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  Speaker 2: and I will never forget. And I guess, Christine Lazar,
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  Speaker 2: you were in the courtroom for this. I had been
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  Speaker 2: out front. I've been doing something for either it had
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  Speaker 2: to be for court TV. And I raced back in
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  Speaker 2: and all I could get was a very bad.
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  Speaker 1: Row seat, and I was happy to get it all
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  Speaker 1: the way in the back of the courtroom, and I'm short.
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  Speaker 2: I had to take my backpack off and sit on
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  Speaker 2: top of my backpack to see Sharon Roachell on the stand.
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  Speaker 2: I remember she on this beautiful yellow outfit and when
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  Speaker 2: she was describing burying Lacey her bones of course, because
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  Speaker 2: she was skeletonized by the time she washed ashore. Lacey
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  Speaker 2: was buried holding Connor, her baby in her arms, and
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  Speaker 2: I will never forget her. Looking over at Scott Peterson
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  Speaker 2: and I am reminded of a truth. And the truth
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  Speaker 2: is those most vested in a true verdict are the
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  Speaker 2: victim's family, and they Lacey's family is convinced Scott Peterson
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  Speaker 2: is guilty.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Now the innocence project is coming in full steam after
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  Speaker 2: multiple appeals climbing there's a new evidence. But speaking of
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  Speaker 2: Sharon Rochel, listen to this.
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  Speaker 8: I would like to thank all of you for being
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  Speaker 8: here and helpings is trying to find our daughter. I
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  Speaker 8: would just like to send a message out there that
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  Speaker 8: whoever has her, please please please let her go.
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  Speaker 9: Bring her back her so much, Please close our back.
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  Speaker 8: We want her and our grandson home safely and immediately,
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  Speaker 8: So please bring her.
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  Speaker 3: Back to us.
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  Speaker 2: You hear Ron Grantskey breaking down in the background, and
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you Ron Grantskey was very, very emotional.
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  Speaker 2: He loved Lacey so much he could hardly ever speak
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  Speaker 2: before the cameras. Reminded me a lot of my dad,
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  Speaker 2: very sentimental, could hardly get through three sentences straight without
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  Speaker 2: breaking down and crying about Lacy. And now this and
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  Speaker 2: Sharon Roach has to live through the whole thing again
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  Speaker 2: and more from Sharon Roache.
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  Speaker 8: Lacy was just a loving, happy, generous, vivacious person. She
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  Speaker 8: just Lacey loves life, she loves people, she loves entertaining.
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  Speaker 8: She's happy, she's She and Scott are just so much
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  Speaker 8: in love. They're just I think everybody envies their relationship.
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  Speaker 1: They're just perfect together.
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  Speaker 8: They have a wonderful life.
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  Speaker 9: They're looking forward to having their baby.
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  Speaker 8: They've waited a long time, they tried for a long
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  Speaker 8: time to have a baby, and she finally became pregnant
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  Speaker 8: and this is just the center of her worlds to
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  Speaker 8: have her baby and be with her husband.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that is what Sharon Roach thought before this. Listen.
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  Speaker 10: I met Scott Peterson November twentieth, two thousand and two.
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  Speaker 10: I was introduced to him. I was told he was unmarried.
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  Speaker 10: Scott told me he was not married. We did have
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  Speaker 10: a romantic relationship. When I discovered he was involved in
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  Speaker 10: the Lacy Peterson disappearance case, I immediately contacted the Modesto
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  Speaker 10: Police department. Although I couldn't have sold or sold the
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  Speaker 10: photos of Scott and I to tabloids, I knew this
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  Speaker 10: was not the right thing to do. For fear of
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  Speaker 10: jeopardizing the case or the police investigation. I will not
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  Speaker 10: comment further.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Amberfrey was dragged through the mud, tarred and feathered
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  Speaker 2: over having a relationship with sex relationship with Peterson, But
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  Speaker 2: I believe.
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  Speaker 1: Her that she did not know he was married.
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  Speaker 2: She could have made probably at least one hundred grand
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  Speaker 2: of selling those photos of her story, she didn't do it.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to more of Amberfry.
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  Speaker 10: I am very sorry for Macy's family and the pain
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  Speaker 10: that this has caused them, and I pray for her
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  Speaker 10: safe return as well. I would appreciate to my friends
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  Speaker 10: and acquaintances to refrain from talking about me to the
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  Speaker 10: media for profit or recognization. I am a single mother
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  Speaker 10: of a twenty three month old child, and.
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  Speaker 1: I asked to respect my hypocy.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, her life turned upside down and she was
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  Speaker 2: again tard and feathered on cross examination when she bravely
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  Speaker 2: took the stand in court. But you know what to
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  Speaker 2: Karen Start joining me renowned psychologists joining us out of Manhattan.
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  Speaker 2: You can find her at Karenstart dot com. That's Karen
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  Speaker 2: with a C in case you tried to find her. Karen,
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  Speaker 2: did you hear Sharon Roach say that Lacey loved entertaining? Okay, Karen,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember. You and I worked
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  Speaker 2: on this case together.
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  Speaker 1: You were with me night after night after night during
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  Speaker 1: the trial on air, and.
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  Speaker 2: I remember telling you that I had gone to Lacey's
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  Speaker 2: home and actually got to look inside, and it looked
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  Speaker 2: like I could tell she loved her home. It was decorated.
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  Speaker 2: I could tell on a budget, but it was so
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  Speaker 2: perfectly done. I'm getting to a point. Be a cold
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  Speaker 2: day an h E double l that David Lynch, my
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  Speaker 2: husband that you told me to marry.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, would go out.
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  Speaker 2: Remember Lacey was expecting all the family to come to
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  Speaker 2: her place and was getting it all ready.
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  Speaker 1: I mean she was having everything, getting her everything ready
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  Speaker 1: for Christmas. It was December twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: It would be a cold day in hell that David
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  Speaker 2: Lynch would leave when I was trying to get the
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  Speaker 2: house ready and cook a turkey and homemade dressing and
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  Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah, get all the presents, wrap, everything done.
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  Speaker 2: No way he would be there trying to help me,
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  Speaker 2: and with her pregnant. No way was he going to
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  Speaker 2: go golfing or fishing.
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  Speaker 11: Nancy. She was eight months pregnant and told that she
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  Speaker 11: should not be exercising or doing any undue labor while
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  Speaker 11: she was pregnant at that point. And he was out golfing.
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  Speaker 11: Oh wait, no, he wasn't golfing.
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  Speaker 3: He was fishing.
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  Speaker 11: And do you remember the interview that they had with
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  Speaker 11: him when he picked up a call. He was so nonchalant.
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  Speaker 11: You would never ever guess that this man had lost
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  Speaker 11: his wife and his child.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the only newly discovered evidence there is to
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  Speaker 2: be found at this point is to tell me exactly
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  Speaker 2: how he murdered his wife.
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  Speaker 1: To doctor Todd M.
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  Speaker 2: Barr joining me board certified anatomic clinical forensic pathologists featured
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  Speaker 2: in thin Places Essays from in between doctor Barr, thank
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  Speaker 2: you for being with us. The defense has thrown out
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  Speaker 2: so many, many, many different theories as to who murdered Lacy.
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  Speaker 1: They said a thing. They said a Hawaiian gang did it.
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  Speaker 1: Then they said some other kind of gang did it.
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  Speaker 1: Then they said oh.
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  Speaker 2: One of the theories was that some when a kidnapped
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  Speaker 2: Lace and cut her open to take baby Connor for
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  Speaker 2: their own. But yet when she was found there was
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  Speaker 2: no indication of that, although she was largely skeletonized. But
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  Speaker 2: the state's theory, which was backed up by medical examiners,
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  Speaker 2: was that over time, weeks and weeks and weeks in
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  Speaker 2: the San Francisco Bay, the last portion of a woman's
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: body to decompose would be that thick uterine wall the womb,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: and that in the end it did deteriorate and baby
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Connor just floated out. Because while she was largely decomposed,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: baby Connor looked like a little one of those little plastic,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: shiny baby dolls that you get at a store.
• 20:48
  Speaker 12: Sure, I mean, the fact that the baby was in
• 20:52
  Speaker 12: utero was very protective, you know, in the in the
• 20:56
  Speaker 12: cold waters of the San Francisco Bay, you know, that
• 21:00
  Speaker 12: slows down decomposition. Now, of course, Lacey's body is exposed
• 21:05
  Speaker 12: to all the elements, including animal predation, you know, animals
• 21:10
  Speaker 12: or fish that might be you know, gnawing on her flesh,
• 21:13
  Speaker 12: which will actually promote the acceleration of her decomposition. So, yes,
• 21:20
  Speaker 12: I agree that the baby would have been the last one,
• 21:23
  Speaker 12: the last one out, so to speak, and would have
• 21:26
  Speaker 12: been relatively well preserved at that point.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: So would there have been any evidence left that someone
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: had cut her stomach open? I mean, if they had
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: done that, they would have tried to get Connor out
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: he was still in there.
• 21:39
  Speaker 12: Yeah, And I would think that if somebody was you know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 12: not a surgical person, that was trying to open up
• 21:47
  Speaker 12: her abdomen to take the baby out, it's very possible
• 21:50
  Speaker 12: that the baby would have sustained some sort of injury
• 21:55
  Speaker 12: in the process, you know. I mean it's a tight
• 21:58
  Speaker 12: space in the uterus, so when you're trying to cut
• 22:01
  Speaker 12: a baby out, there very well could have been evidence
• 22:05
  Speaker 12: that the baby sustained some sort of sharp force injury
• 22:08
  Speaker 12: from someone trying to extract the baby.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: A homemade ccerean. Yeah, the baby is cut out of
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: the stomach. But you're right, you would have expected Connor
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: to have some sort of cutting or injury or something.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: He had nothing.
• 22:24
  Speaker 12: Yes, unless it was done by an obgyn, you know
• 22:28
  Speaker 12: that knew what they were doing exactly. Most of us
• 22:31
  Speaker 12: would wouldn't know where to make the first cut.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Even as a medical doctor.
• 22:35
  Speaker 12: Myself, I wouldn't. I wouldn't know how to do a
• 22:37
  Speaker 12: Sysyrian section because I'm not trained as an obgyn.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I try to tell people that all the time.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you want me to write your will, Yeah,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: I'll try. But that's like asking an ear doctor to
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: perform open heart surgery. But okay, guys, we are hearing
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: that the Innocence Project has actually taken on Scott Peterson's case.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Now to Cristado Zar joining US investigator reporter KKL CBS LA.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I understand that they claim there.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Was blood spatter evidence that quote might have exonerated him
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: and other suspects who were quote overlooked.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Is that what they're basing this on.
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: You know, they're not saying a lot, but that is
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: what they are pointing to, that there was some sort
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: of blood spatter evidence inside this burned out van. And
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: as you may remember, there was a talk that there
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: was a robbery in the area right before she went missing,
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: and could that be linked to her disappearance. Again, in trial,
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: the prosecution kind of pushed that aside and said those
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: were completely unrelated.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: But the emphasis right now is on that van.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Well, well, you're talking about a robbery. I thought it
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: was a burglary.
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: Yes, correct, I'm.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Sorry, kind of caddy cornered to Lacey's home there on
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Covena And I believe the reason prosecutors discount it is
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: because they caught the burglars and interviewed them at length
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: and polygraph them and decided, yeah, that's not what happened.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Is that the burglary you're talking about?
• 24:08
  Speaker 12: Yes?
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: And I will say here in LA this is all
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: anybody seems to be talking about. And a lot of people,
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: if you look in the comment section, if you hear
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: the responses to the stories we've been doing, a lot
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: of people very upset with the Innocent Project, feeling like
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: this is a case that is not worthy of their
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: time and attention. Most people I talk to say they
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: believe Scott Peterson did it. There was a lot of
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: circumstantial evidence in the trial. But one thing that we
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: kept saying as reporters covering it back in four if
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: not him, then who all signs seem to point to
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: Scott Peterson? And I will say, after covering that trial
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: and walking away from it, I did feel like the
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: jury made the right decision.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is this, we're just touching on some
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: of the evidence right now, just a tiny tiny bit
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: of it that I that through the trial, I heard
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the evidence. I like many people agree Peterson murdered his
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: wife and unborn child. As to the Innocence Project, they
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: actually do fine work in many cases. There are wrongfully
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: convicted people in our country and they need to be released,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: and they need to be exonerated. There are cases out
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: there that desperately need the Innocence Project. So why latch
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: on to Scott Peterson's case like a tick, sucking the
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: blood out of it? Why time stories with Nancy Greece, Guys,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: speaking of guilt, We've been talking about the mistress and
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I kind of hate to even refer to her that
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: way because she's a very nice lady with a new
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: life and a new family.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Listen to this This is the call Cheryl McCallum refer.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: To where, even after Lacey is missing, of course dead,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: you hear him continuing to lie just to get laid
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: what one more time?
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Listen ever, ever, ever.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Hear me?
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Ever there there? Every happy here?
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 26:49
  Speaker 11: Right there?
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, I wish you could.
• 26:54
  Speaker 8: Eye.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I think that you're there.
• 26:56
  Speaker 13: I'm my you.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: The idle power is unreal. It's huge.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: It's that huge.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Remember, ever you're there. I can't hear right now, but
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I'll call you on your knees.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Ever Okay, Cheryl McCollum. My chest is hurting now. At
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: first I thought my head was going to blow off.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Now I think I might be having a heart attack.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Did you hear that?
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: It's so near the Eiffel Tower, and.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: The celebration is quote unreal. The crowd is huge. There
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: was a huge crowd. But wasn't he had his wife's
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: vigil when he did that.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: He was literally standing also the side during the candlelight vigil.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: Keith again wanting to keep the relationship with ambergoing, and
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: that thing. It's so crazy to me, even if you're
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: having an affair, and even if you're having a great
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: time with this person, that you just meant weeks ago.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: If you're wife legitimately goes missing and she's pregnant with
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: your unborn child, it seems like your focus would flip
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: because again, your parents are going to be hurting. Her
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: parents are going to be scared to death and hurting siblings.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: You've got other people involved with your marriage that are
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: going to be connected to Lacey and love her.
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: And here's the thing.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: His mother in law turned on him and understood that
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: he was a liar and did something to Lacey. His
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: best friend distanced himself because he's like, look, his alibi
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: is not making any sense to me. Nobody supported him,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: that knew him, no one. So everything that he started
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: to do again, there's some things you're right about, Nancy, that.
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: We don't have.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: We don't have the cause of death or at the
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: time of death, or a weapon, but there's things we
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: do have. We've got hair impliers on his boats that
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: we know Lacy never went on.
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: He's the one that said, oh, you're probably going to
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: find blood in my truck. He gave them that. He's
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: the one that told it. Dad, I might be pulling
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: an OJ.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, everything he did gave us reason to look
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: at him, especially when he goes on Dan Sawyer and
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: is talking about her in past ten where they.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Were still searching for her.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: You know, Dale Carson joining me, high profile defense attorney
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: joining us out of Jacksonville, former FBI and beat cop
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: in Miami, Dade del Carson, I want to hear what
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: you think about the changing defense theories and about this
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: blood spatter, But first let me ask you something about
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: the Nocence Project, which I have long held in esteem.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I don't believe you have ever heard me rant and
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: rave about.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: The Nisons Project, because they have actually led to some
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: exonerations that were desperately needed by Lady Justice. So deal Carson.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: What I find very curious is you heard Christine Lazar.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: She's a very well known and respected investigative reporter joining
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: us out of.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: KKEL CBS LA.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: She said that the Innocence Project has not revealed what
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: the quote new evidence is. Why if it's new evidence, man,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: and it was proven Scott Peterson isson, I would be
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: shouting from the rooftops.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Well, I took the opportuite to read the appeal essentially,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: and it's fairly lengthy, but there are just points that
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: you've already mentioned frankly, the two burglars. They've been interviewed,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: a van with a mattress in it that had blood
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: in it, the argument that the dog was out and
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Lacey'd been walking the dog and she was abducted by
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: these individuals. I mean, it's fairly laid out, and the
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Innocent Project does an excellent job where it's needed. I
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: think this is more of a publicity stab than it
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: is anything else, and I don't think it's particularly necessary.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: I think it's a waste of their resources and energies
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: on something is fairly clear. I mean, the most interesting
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: thing to me from an investigative perspective is the fact
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: that her head and her hands were missing. Those are
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: identity clues, and there's only one person who would do
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: something like that and we all know who that is.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: So yes, in any large, major case, there's going to
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: be evidence, just as there was the Atlantic kid killings
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: that I was involved with, where there's additional evidence that
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: shows up years later. But that doesn't mean that the
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: individuals who's been convicted is somehow innocent.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Can I point something out.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: A legal aspect that I think will immediately quash this
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: appeal newly discovered means newly discovered the van and the
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: plus purported sidings of Lacey before he disappearance. We're known
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: at the time of trial. This is not newly discovered.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I'm only curious regarding the blood. The project is asking
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: DNA testing to be done on blood and that previously
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: unheard interviews with witnesses.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Be re examined. There is nothing new.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, am I missing something, Christine wis are the
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: blood they're talking about the blood spatter they're referring to,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: if it exists, would have been in that van.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Is that the blood they're talking about.
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: Well, look, I mean they're not saying a lot. They're
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: not giving us specifics.
• 32:28
  Speaker 14: A lot of this is just us trying to read
• 32:31
  Speaker 14: between the lines and figure out where there had is
• 32:33
  Speaker 14: that because so many people are surprised that this is
• 32:36
  Speaker 14: a case that the Innocent's Project has decided to take on.
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: At this point, we're being told that it has something
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: to do with blood in that van.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: That they had the van at the time of trial.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: The van was discoverable at the time of trial, and
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: under the law, if this was evidence that could be
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: discoverable at the time of the trial, it is not
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: quote newly discovered, which is required for a case to
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: go forward on appeal on the grounds of newly discovered evidence.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: It's not newly discovered.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: That said, I would still want the truth. But back
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: to the facts.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Remember when Amber Fry was entertaining that call from Peterson
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: the night of his wife's vigil, As Cheryl McCollum described,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: going off to the corner and calling Amber Fry pretending
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: he's in Paris quote near the Eiffel Tower. Man, he
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: can shoot a line of well, let's see, I gave
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: up cursing crap. But she knew he was under suspicion
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: when she took that call.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: She was recording it for police. And how do you
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: think that made her feel? Knowing a guy and likely
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: killed his wife and he was out.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: And you're cooperating with police. She did it anyway. Now
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: she confronts him, listen.
• 33:53
  Speaker 15: For me this elaborate night about her missing and this
• 33:56
  Speaker 15: tragedy and that and that this will be the holidays
• 34:00
  Speaker 15: without her, said Amber.
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: God, I don't want to fight with you, but you
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: know that I never said tragedy or missing.
• 34:10
  Speaker 15: Oh yes, you said you've watched your wife obviously without
• 34:14
  Speaker 15: me staying much.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: But we were.
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: Yes, you did, I did.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, So either he's clairvoyant or he's a killer. Help
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: me out, Sheryl Nancy.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: He told another mistress named Janet that kids were gonna
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: disrupt his lifestyle.
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: He told other people his wife was dead.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: He has done so many things before she went missing.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: He got an insurance policy for a quarter of a
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: million dollars, He bought the boat. He you know, good
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: things to line up to be a single person, it
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: would appear, and then after she goes missing, the lives
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: kept going. He didn't want to take a polygraph. He
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: told the detective. There's no outside people, there's no third
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: party in our marriage. Our marriage is fine. But he
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: continued to call Amber. He continued to say, look, everything's
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: good here.
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: There's no problem.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: You know, even when this case got so hot, Lacy's
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: face was everywhere. Everybody's concerned about this young woman who
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: is so adorable and eight and a half months pregnant,
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: and they want to focus on this watch that was pawned.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: Let me ask you something, what criminal kidnaps this person?
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: The case gets hot as fire.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: And they wait a week to pawn her watch. That
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: doesn't make any sense.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: There are two Croton Croto in watches Pond and it
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: has never been established that that was Lacy's watch that
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: she had inherited.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Croton I think is a brand of watch. Hey, you
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: left out the fact that.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: He immediately ordered the poor Horn channel, added that to
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: the cable bill, and tried to sell the house in
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: the car. Now, this is when Lacey is still missing. Obviously,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Karen Start, you're the shrink. He's not expecting her to
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: walk through the front door. It would be again a
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: cold day in hell that David Lynch adds on the
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: porn channel.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: When I'm missing.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: It's like I go to the school for a reason
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: for the children, and he orders the porn channel while
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: I'm gone. No, because he knows I'm going to walk
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: in and see porn on the TV.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: No, that would not do.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: But Peterson wasn't worried. He knew Lacey was never coming home.
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: Karen Start, that's right, Nancy.
• 36:42
  Speaker 11: And how about when he was telling everybody and people
• 36:46
  Speaker 11: need to hear this that he could not go into
• 36:49
  Speaker 11: the nursery, he could not go into Connor's room until
• 36:53
  Speaker 11: they were back and somebody and he was definitely going
• 36:56
  Speaker 11: to keep that door closed, and then they discovered that
• 36:59
  Speaker 11: he was used yet as storage. He led again, he
• 37:03
  Speaker 11: had things in there. He had no respect for the
• 37:06
  Speaker 11: fact that he still didn't even know what was going
• 37:08
  Speaker 11: to happen with this baby.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Guys, I want to cut forward to our cut ten sixteen.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: I want you to analyze more of what Peterson did
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: at the time Lacey quote goes missing.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 37:22
  Speaker 16: At nine thirty am Christmas Eve, Scott Peterson goes fishing
• 37:25
  Speaker 16: in his brand new boat. Peterson claims the fishing trip
• 37:28
  Speaker 16: is a last minute decision. He planned to go golfing,
• 37:31
  Speaker 16: but it was too cold and blustery for golf, so
• 37:33
  Speaker 16: he went fishing. Lucky for Scott, even though his decision
• 37:37
  Speaker 16: to fish was last minute, he bought a two day
• 37:39
  Speaker 16: ocean fishing license on December twenty second. Peterson fishes without
• 37:43
  Speaker 16: success and returns home late in the afternoon. When he
• 37:46
  Speaker 16: gets home, Scott finds Lacey's car in the driveway. Their dog, Mackenzie,
• 37:50
  Speaker 16: is in the backyard, but the house is empty. After
• 37:52
  Speaker 16: he takes the time to shower and change clothes, Scott
• 37:55
  Speaker 16: Peterson goes to a neighbor's house to see if they've
• 37:57
  Speaker 16: seen Lacey. The neighbors hadn't seen Lacey, so Scott calls
• 38:01
  Speaker 16: Lacey's mother, Sharon. According to Fox News, Scott Peterson doesn't say,
• 38:05
  Speaker 16: have you spoken to Lacey today? Do you know where
• 38:08
  Speaker 16: Lazy is? He tells Lacey's mother that Lacey is missing.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, No.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: When I'm looking for David, when he goes out of
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: town or he has some meeting or something, I would
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: never say David's missing. I go, hey, where's David? Have
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: you seen your dad? Something like that, And that is
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: what Sharon roach to testify to on the stand. So
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: he's out on a secret boat, Christine Lazar is joining
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: us KKEWCBSLA. He's out on a secret boat that he
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: didn't tell anybody about. He has he went fishing last minute,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: although we know two days before he got a fishing license,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: so it's not last minute.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Isn't it true?
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Christine Lazar that when he gets home, the dog Withckenzie's
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: in the backyard with the gate locked.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Was it the backyard gate? Lot? Anybody jump in that?
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Can remember that?
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: I do remember that from trial.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: So what the dog let himself in and lot the gate?
• 39:07
  Speaker 13: Right?
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: Well, the defense argued, as you may remember that a
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: neighbor had put the dog in there and had closed the.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Gate, And did that neighbor come forward at trial?
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: No?
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Right, Okay? What exactly is the Innocence Project doing?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: They're refusing to state what the newly discovered evidence is.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: And my question is, if they're all about the truth
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: coming out, then why keep it a secret?
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: What are they hiding and why are they hiding it?
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  Speaker 2: Or is there really nothing there? Take a Listen to
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  Speaker 2: Crime Onlines Rachel Benia.
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  Speaker 9: Scott Peterson's former attorney, Mark Garrigos on TMZ Live says
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  Speaker 9: he can debunk all the prosecution evidence, but said he
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  Speaker 9: believes the jury was laser focused on Peterson cheating on
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  Speaker 9: his wife. The filing by the La Innocence Project says
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  Speaker 9: Peterson's claims of actual innocence is support by newly discovered
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  Speaker 9: evidence and more.
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  Speaker 5: Listen in court documents, The Los Angeles Innocence Project is
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  Speaker 5: asking for witnesses who may have seen Lacey walking her dog.
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  Speaker 5: There may be witnesses who saw Lacy Peterson alive after
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  Speaker 5: her husband left Modesto to go phishing caron reports, Police
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  Speaker 5: and prosecutors said Lacy was murdered before Scott Peterson left town.
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  Speaker 5: In court document, Scott Peterson wrote, during the search to
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  Speaker 5: find Lacey, the police continually ignored evidence, including eyewitness reports
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  Speaker 5: that Lacy was alive and walking our dog the day
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  Speaker 5: she disappeared. The project is asking for all reports detailing
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  Speaker 5: investigative actions taken in response to eyewitness accounts reporting sightings
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  Speaker 5: of Lacy Peterson on or after December twenty fourth, two
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  Speaker 5: thousand and two.
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  Speaker 1: None of that, deal, Carson, is new evidence.
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  Speaker 3: You're exactly right, none of it is new. And as
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  Speaker 3: you say in appellate work, you have to have evidence
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  Speaker 3: that was not discovered at the time, and if they
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  Speaker 3: don't have that, they don't meet the boundary for that
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  Speaker 3: to be appealed effectively.
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  Speaker 2: And again they're dredging up the burglary across the street
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  Speaker 2: Caddy Corner to Lacey's home.
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  Speaker 1: Listen.
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  Speaker 13: Another request from the La Innocence Project is information regarding
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  Speaker 13: the burglary that took place at the Medinas house across
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  Speaker 13: the street from the Peterson's home sometime between December twenty
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  Speaker 13: four and December twenty six. Kron reports that the two
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  Speaker 13: burglars were caught and during their interviews with police, denied
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  Speaker 13: having anything to do with Lacy Peterson. The La Innocence
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  Speaker 13: Project seeks a complete copy of the Medesto Police Department's
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  Speaker 13: investigation into the burglary, as well as Modesto Police Department
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  Speaker 13: reports on the steps they took to verify the alibis
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  Speaker 13: of the two burglars, Stephen Todd and Donald Glenn Pearce,
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  Speaker 13: establishing their whereabouts on December twenty four, two thousand and two.
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  Speaker 1: And is this the blood they're talking about? Listen?
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  Speaker 16: Suspicious van fire happened on Christmas Day, less than a
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  Speaker 16: mile from the Peterson home, the day Lacy Peterson was
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  Speaker 16: reported missing, and the LA Nison's Project once reports from
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  Speaker 16: the police Department and Fire Department concerning the investigation of
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  Speaker 16: what they call an incendiary fire of an orange van
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  Speaker 16: containing a mattress with a parent bloodstains. Court documents show
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  Speaker 16: the van appeared to have been intentionally ignited to cover
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  Speaker 16: up a crime.
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, did I just hear the word apparent. They
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  Speaker 1: don't even know.
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  Speaker 7: If that's blood, correct, So again, you walk this thing
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  Speaker 7: through forensically.
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  Speaker 4: We don't have blood that came back as Lacey. We
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  Speaker 4: don't have blood that came back from Scott in that van.
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  Speaker 4: We don't have blood that came back from anybody.
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  Speaker 6: Else in that van.
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  Speaker 4: We don't have an eyewitness that saw the van on fire.
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  Speaker 4: We don't have these two burgerers running from that van.
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  Speaker 4: We don't have clothing from Lacey. We don't have hair
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  Speaker 4: from Lacey. We don't have anything in that van connected
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  Speaker 4: to her. We do, however, have her hair in the
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  Speaker 4: pliers in the toolbox inside the boat that she was
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  Speaker 4: never in, never fool with. We do have his blood
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  Speaker 4: in his truck that he said we would find. We
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  Speaker 4: don't have him searching for her, looking for her, calling
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  Speaker 4: the police about her. He didn't do any of that,
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  Speaker 4: none of it. But what we do have is an
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  Speaker 4: insurance policy, multiple affairs, him telling people before she went
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  Speaker 4: missing that she was dead. He refused to take a polygraph.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it just goes on and on and on,
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  Speaker 4: and even though it's circumstantial. You and I both have
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  Speaker 4: worked how many cases where somebody was killed for a
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  Speaker 4: lot less than two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 2: This is all I have to say, Scott Peterson, I'm
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: going to have my hot tea. You stick to your Pruno,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: your jailhouse hooch, because you're going to need a lot
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  Speaker 2: of it when this appeal is rejected, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: it will never concern you at all what
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  Speaker 1: You're doing to what is left of Lacey's family.