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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Skyins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Great to have your company.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up in the program tonight. Victoria said
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Speaker 2: to take the lion's share of Islamic state women and
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Speaker 2: children as more discrepancies emerge between the state governments and
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Speaker 2: the federal government and these terrorist supporters. So who is
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Speaker 2: telling the truth? Speaking of discrepancies, how community market operators
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Speaker 2: say there's no risk of blackhouse if there are in
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Speaker 2: power station closes when their own analysis warns there's a
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Speaker 2: serious risk. I'll speak to the expert who discover this
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Speaker 2: major inconsistency that it would appear they tried to bury
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Speaker 2: live to the UK two as the Epstein saga claims
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Speaker 2: another major scalp. Former UK Ambassador former Labor Cabinet Minister
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Speaker 2: Beta Manilson erected on suspicion of misconduct. I'll get you
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Speaker 2: all the details on that and what it means for
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Speaker 2: an already embattled Keir Starmer. And in a speech, the
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Speaker 2: former Treasurer of Peter Costello has laid bare the government
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Speaker 2: spending crisis and why we'll all suffer.
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Speaker 3: So the government's softening people up for higher Texas because
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Speaker 3: spending has risen so much faster.
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Speaker 2: I'll stay with Peter Costello because that John Anderson inspired
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Speaker 2: a SPA conference in Sydney today, finally a blast of
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Speaker 2: economic good sense from Australia's longest serving and most successful
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Speaker 2: ever federal treasurer. And as I sat in the room
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Speaker 2: and watched Peter Costello in full flight, it was a
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Speaker 2: reminder of life when the adults were in charging Canberra,
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Speaker 2: and of what might again be possible if we stop
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Speaker 2: thinking that governments always know best and the bigger government
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Speaker 2: and more spending is the answer to all our problems.
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Speaker 2: Costello today reminded us that out of control government spending
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Speaker 2: and debt is intergenerational theft.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of talk about fairness to various kinds
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Speaker 3: of voters, but what about fairness to not voters, those
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Speaker 3: too young to vote, and those not yet born. Fairness
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Speaker 3: to these people is known as intergenerational equity. We tried
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Speaker 3: to embed this thinking with the Australian Charter of Budget Honesty,
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Speaker 3: which we introduced in nineteen ninety eight. It requires our
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Speaker 3: government every five years to produce an intergenerational report to
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Speaker 3: look at the long term sustainability of policies over forty years.
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Speaker 2: And Costello's report card was good, almost unbelievable really, given
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Speaker 2: where we are today. Under Jim Charmers, we introduced.
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Speaker 3: The very first Intergenerational Report in two thousand and two.
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Speaker 3: It began as follows. Commonwealth finances are strong. The Commonwealth
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Speaker 3: budget has recorded accumulated cash surpluses. Commonwealth net debt, already
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Speaker 3: one of the lowest amongst the industrialized economies, has fallen.
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Speaker 3: Sound fiscal management has given us a platform for low
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Speaker 3: inflationary growth, jobs and higher incomes. You see, it was
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Speaker 3: a pretty good starting point, but we knew problems were coming.
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Speaker 2: When the Howard government was elected and Peter Costello was
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Speaker 2: the Deputy and also Australia's Treasurer, public finances were in
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Speaker 2: a mess. Even though the Hawk government had been a
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Speaker 2: reforming government, reduced tariffs that floated the currency, and it
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Speaker 2: began the process of privatizations and kept union power in check.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't always that case. I mean, yes, the Hawk
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Speaker 2: government was a polar opposite of the Albanezy government. But
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Speaker 2: after Paul Keating became Prime Minister and Peter Walsh left
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Speaker 2: the Finance Ministry, the fiscal discipline slipped, so John Howard
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Speaker 2: and Peter Costello inherited what was then a massive Commonwealth
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Speaker 2: debt ninety six billion dollars. Was the black hole. I
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Speaker 2: worked there for ten years, the Howard Air, and it
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Speaker 2: was bludgeon into our minds on a daily basis. Costello
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Speaker 2: called it then the equivalent in nineteen ninety six of
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Speaker 2: twenty percent of GDP now, ten of Costello's twelve budgets
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Speaker 2: were surplus budgets, which meant that not only was there
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Speaker 2: no net debt with how our government left offers, but
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Speaker 2: there was also about fifty billion in net assets, mostly
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Speaker 2: invested into the Future Fund to help pay future public
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Speaker 2: service pensions. Now as Costello reminded us today.
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Speaker 3: So the first Inner Generational Report in two thousand and.
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Speaker 4: Two was a wake up call.
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Speaker 3: We didn't want future generations to be settled with high attacks.
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Speaker 3: We didn't want them to have lower productivity.
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Speaker 4: We had to cap spending.
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Speaker 3: We wanted to set out and build a strong financial position.
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Speaker 3: We had an ambitious program to pay off sovereign debt.
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Speaker 3: We wanted to get the national government debt free. As
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Speaker 3: I've always said, debt free government is the best youth
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Speaker 3: policy you'll ever come across. We wanted to get the
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Speaker 3: government debt free. We established a sovereign fund to build savings,
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Speaker 3: and we went all out to enhance productivity. And for
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Speaker 3: a while Australia was successful.
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Speaker 2: Now under the conservative team of Howard and Costello, when
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Speaker 2: it was genuinely conservative, unlike some of the liberal governments
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Speaker 2: it followed it. Australia cut tax, welfare reform, tackled there's
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Speaker 2: something for nothing mindset, with the introduction of work for
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Speaker 2: the doll and the productive private sector grew as the
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Speaker 2: size of government was reduced. Indeed, between nineteen ninety six
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Speaker 2: and two thousand and sevens this is the Howard era,
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Speaker 2: Australia's annual growth average three point six percent, Real wages
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Speaker 2: rose by over twenty percent, and Australian's net wealth per
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Speaker 2: capita doubled. Look at this data on the screen. This
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Speaker 2: is from the current budget papers and you can see
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Speaker 2: that as a result of the hard work of good government,
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Speaker 2: at this time Australia's net worth was sixty seven billion dollars.
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Speaker 2: It was a golden ape. But not anymore, because that
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Speaker 2: same graph from last December's my EFO budget papers shows
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Speaker 2: Australia's sorry decline to a position where we as a
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Speaker 2: country have no net worth. There it is a negative
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Speaker 2: budget position of some six hundred and forty four billion dollars,
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Speaker 2: and that in per capita terms the difference is stark.
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Speaker 2: Here's another graph, and look at this one carefully. In
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Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, net government dead per person was
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Speaker 2: actually minus three thousand. Look at that blue bar there.
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Speaker 2: In other words, we had net assets. In twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 2: look at the red bar. It's almost twenty thousand dollars.
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Speaker 2: Under the Albanezy government, between twenty twenty two and twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty five, GDP per persons actually shrunk by over two percent. Now, sure,
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Speaker 2: overall growth being positive thanks to record migration, but GDP
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Speaker 2: per person has shrunk because new migrants, on average have
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Speaker 2: been less productive than the general Australian community. Between twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty two and twenty twenty five, real wages have actually
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Speaker 2: declined by over three percent, partly because immigration puts downward
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Speaker 2: pressure on the cost of labor. In Australia, productivity which
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Speaker 2: in economic terms just means what's produced by each unit
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Speaker 2: of labor that has flatlined. It's now where it was
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Speaker 2: ten years ago in twenty sixteen. So we as a
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Speaker 2: country we're standing still and that's not good. Part of
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Speaker 2: the problem is the explosion in public spending and the
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Speaker 2: expansion of the public sector under this labor government. During
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Speaker 2: this time, federal spending has risen by almost three percentage
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Speaker 2: points of GDP to a record level. It's only been
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Speaker 2: beaten by the times our country has been at war.
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Speaker 2: Over the past three years, eighty percent eighty percent of
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Speaker 2: all new jobs have been created in sectors funded by
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Speaker 2: the government, and we now have over fifty percent of
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Speaker 2: Australian households primarily funded by government. So instead of trying
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Speaker 2: to shrink the government octopus, the Albanezer government wants to
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Speaker 2: expand it further.
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Speaker 1: That's why they're.
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Speaker 2: Softening us up for yet more taxes. With all this
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Speaker 2: talk of changes to property taxes and CGT and more
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Speaker 2: in sued our country is drifting backwards and government is
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Speaker 2: making it worse. The government's and missions obsessions driving our
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Speaker 2: power prices and d industrializing our country. Its union links
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Speaker 2: are crushing productivity and as green fixation has stopped almost
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Speaker 2: every new large resource project. Now this is nothing short
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Speaker 2: of economic self harm and it won't change under alban Esi,
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Speaker 2: or is their apparent gym charmers because to them, spending
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Speaker 2: buys votes. A labor will do whatever it takes to
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Speaker 2: stay in power. Peter Costello's presentation today to the Aspire
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Speaker 2: Conference was a reminder that decline is not inevitable, that
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Speaker 2: the issues such as immigration are both economic and cultural.
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Speaker 3: How very briefly, I want to say something about demographic change,
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Speaker 3: because it's already been mentioned, and you've been encouraged to
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Speaker 3: look at hungry and I'm going to suggest to you
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Speaker 3: that we even have some domestic experience in this area
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Speaker 3: which is very instructive in relation to demographic change. A
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Speaker 3: natural increase in population over the last three years was
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Speaker 3: about three hundred and twenty thousand people. Three hundred and
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Speaker 3: twenty Hold that in your brain. The net overseas migration
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Speaker 3: was one point three million, four times that. So in
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Speaker 3: the last three years overseas migration has contributed eighty percent
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Speaker 3: of our population growth. We bring in labor to compensate
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Speaker 3: for low growth in natural population.
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Speaker 2: This is why new Liberal leader Angus Taylor has hit
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Speaker 2: such a nerve in just ten days.
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Speaker 5: In the top jobs have been too high, but the
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Speaker 5: standards have been too low, and we haven't shut the
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Speaker 5: door to people who hate our way of life.
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Speaker 2: Finally, finally, we've got a liberal opposition focused on what matters.
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Speaker 2: Let's hope next week in Canberra they don't take a
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Speaker 2: backward step in taking up the fight to this seriously
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Speaker 2: bad labor government, because, as Peter Costello reminded us all today,
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Speaker 2: we do not have a lot of time to turn
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Speaker 2: things around. And from someone who's done it all before,
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Speaker 2: that is one hell of a wake up call, isn't
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Speaker 2: it all Right? Let's go to Camban now for the headlines.
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Speaker 2: Sky News political reporter Rubon Spargo.
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Speaker 6: The Royal Commission into the Blondei massacre is underway, as
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Speaker 6: Justice Virginia Bell warns there will be limitations to ensure
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Speaker 6: the accused killer receives a fair trial. The commissioner also
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Speaker 6: revealed crucial security and intelligence evidence has already been delayed
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Speaker 6: due to key agency seeking legal advice. Justice Bell confirmed
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Speaker 6: the Royal Commission will look solely at anti Semitism and
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Speaker 6: not other forms of racism.
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Speaker 7: I trust everyone will appreciate why the focus of this
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Speaker 7: commission will be on tackling anti Semitism as a starting
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Speaker 7: point in strengthening our bonds of social cohesion.
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Speaker 1: An interim report is due at the end of April.
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Speaker 1: A final report will be handed down by the first
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Speaker 1: anniversary of the Bondo massacre on December fourteen. The Federal
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Speaker 1: government is committing hundreds of millions of dollars more for
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Speaker 1: Australia's first high speed rail line. It will fund detailed
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Speaker 1: planning and approvals expected to be completed within two years.
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Speaker 1: If the project proceeds, high speed services between Newcastle and
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Speaker 1: the Central Coast could begin within twelve years. Services to
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Speaker 1: Sydney are slated for twenty thirty nine and to Western
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Speaker 1: Sydney Airport by twenty forty two.
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Speaker 8: We are now going to go basically meter Bimeta down
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Speaker 8: this line, design all the tunnels to all of that
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Speaker 8: detailed work to then be able to make a final
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Speaker 8: investment decision.
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Speaker 1: The latest funding of two hundred and thirty million dollars
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Speaker 1: brings the total federal investment to six hundred and sixty million.
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Speaker 2: All right, Jony me now on the desk. Sky's Political
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Speaker 2: editor Andrew Clenew Andrew, welcome, great to be again with
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Speaker 2: you in person here. BONDI Day one today kicked off
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Speaker 2: obviously in Sydney, Virginia Bell and she was a controversial
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Speaker 2: appointment into a Royal commission that the Prime Minister never
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Speaker 2: wanted to have. She made a couple of comments today.
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Speaker 2: One obviously, and I think this is fair enough in
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Speaker 2: justice terms, being careful given the alleged guvernment it's stall
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Speaker 2: to face the trial and she wants it to be
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Speaker 2: a fair trial. But also she's already flagged some problems
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Speaker 2: with evidence from intelligence services. What did you make a
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Speaker 2: date one?
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Speaker 9: Well, I think it's a concern that we can't hear
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Speaker 9: from the witnesses at the event, or that there's any
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Speaker 9: bar to the fullest evidence possible. I mean, you'd have
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Speaker 9: to hope that the gunment she did it was said
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Speaker 9: by the counsel assisting that there could be some in camera,
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Speaker 9: but she was saying the commissioner that she didn't want
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Speaker 9: to prejudice the trial or risk that and might not
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Speaker 9: even call those sort of witnesses. So I think that's
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Speaker 9: a concern. Definitely, you'd have to hope that the alleged
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Speaker 9: terrorists would play guilty, though I meant not to, but
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Speaker 9: I guess people like that individual would not want to
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Speaker 9: do that sort of thing.
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Speaker 2: Just the point the lawyer's point though, if it is
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Speaker 2: in camera, so that obviously he's not televised behind closed doors,
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Speaker 2: that's a good way to get the evidence you need
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Speaker 2: for the Royal Commission. But to protect justice, I hope
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Speaker 2: they're not squibbing it.
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Speaker 9: No, And look, it is harder to squibber or commission.
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Speaker 9: That's why people were calling for it, as you know,
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Speaker 9: than an internal inquiry, because ultimately the reputation of the
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Speaker 9: Royal Commissioner and the Council assistings on the line. So
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Speaker 9: I think there's that check and balance around it. I
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Speaker 9: didn't get the impression there are a couple of things
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Speaker 9: that Virginia Belle said today like that that I may
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Speaker 9: be a little uneasy, but overall I felt her opening
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Speaker 9: showed that she was going to look really thoroughly at
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Speaker 9: the issue. She said it was the first examination of
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Speaker 9: intelligence agencies in fifty years, and I think all of
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Speaker 9: us are looking to that as one of the most
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Speaker 9: interesting aspects of But two big points. I mean, obviously
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Speaker 9: there'll be a lot of stuff in there about anti
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Speaker 9: Semitism and how not enough was done on that, but
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Speaker 9: it is about asio and letting these men go to
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Speaker 9: the Philippines and not red flagging after that. And it
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Speaker 9: is also about just being too laxadaisical I guess as
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Speaker 9: New Southalist police. So it seems to have an event
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Speaker 9: like that on or maybe there are other events like
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Speaker 9: that on and have you know.
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Speaker 4: A couple of cops that's it.
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Speaker 9: So those are two really obvious areas you'd expect findings
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Speaker 9: even before the thing begins, and I think they're critically
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Speaker 9: important because if we want to prevent other attacks, you'd
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Speaker 9: have to fear them after this.
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Speaker 4: This is the only way I.
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Speaker 2: Don't think she's right about. This is the only time
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Speaker 2: that we've had ASIO or intelligence services looked do at
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Speaker 2: in fifty years. There was the famous flood inquiry. There's
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Speaker 2: been a series of inquiries about resourcing. I know after
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Speaker 2: Manharen Monis there was an inquiry there both and federal level.
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Speaker 2: But I think you can't look at this enough in
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Speaker 2: the current climate, and I think resourcing is critical. You know,
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Speaker 2: we've got eighteen thousand people on asio's watch list. I mean,
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Speaker 2: clearly they can't watch them all, but we can't be
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Speaker 2: in a situation where we have a terror attack like
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Speaker 2: this again on Australian soil.
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Speaker 9: It's alarming that one of the men involved had come
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Speaker 9: to the attention of Asia before, had temporarily been on
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Speaker 9: a watch list, and had gone to the Philippines only
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Speaker 9: a couple of months before. I mean, you put all
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Speaker 9: that together, it's hard not to think the systems fail.
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Speaker 2: One of the challenges, and we're seeing this with these
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Speaker 2: Islamic state women. Wee the challenges of our system is
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Speaker 2: we've got state and federal law enforcement overlay, state and
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Speaker 2: federal legislation overlay resourcing that moves between both state governments
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Speaker 2: and federal governments. Interestingly, we learned today that Victoria, we're told,
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Speaker 2: will take the lines share of this cohort of women
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Speaker 2: and children from Syria. Let's have a listen to what
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Speaker 2: the premier did or didn't tell us today in the media.
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Speaker 10: Now, I will say that our officials are engaged with
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Speaker 10: commonwealth officials as is appropriate, but I'm not going to
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Speaker 10: go into detail of those discussions at this stage because
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Speaker 10: that would not be appropriate. Citizens have rights, but so
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Speaker 10: too do the citizens of Victoria have their right to
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Speaker 10: have their community safety protected, which is why I will
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Speaker 10: work through these matters appropriately through officials.
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Speaker 2: Now, Chris Mins was a lot more forthcoming and here's commentary.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to Chris Mins.
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Speaker 11: There are other security type arrangements in place, particularly in
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Speaker 11: relation to security arrangements on site in Australia. It's difficult
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Speaker 11: for me to go into the circumstances, but that was
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Speaker 11: part of the conversations with the Commonwealth Agency security agencies
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Speaker 11: as well.
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Speaker 2: Have you compare that with your prime ministers. Your interview
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Speaker 2: with a Prime minister on Sunday where you know he
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Speaker 2: still has this line. They are not assisting with repatriation
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Speaker 2: and clearly the premiers have been across this for months.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, there's a lot of inconsistencies here. And one of
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Speaker 9: the big questions I have is the involvement of Jamal
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Speaker 9: Reefi is a Belmore GP. I had reason to deal
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Speaker 9: with him from time to time and always found him
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Speaker 9: pretty decent. But it's known his friends with Tony Burke.
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Speaker 9: He set up a group called Friends of Tony Burke
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Speaker 9: to campaign against a Muslim candidate, and his said I've
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Speaker 9: went over there and got the thirty four passports I
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Speaker 9: think in an interview this afternoon. So Tony Burke says, well,
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Speaker 9: I never spoke to him about it. Well, can we
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Speaker 9: really believe that Jamal Reef he hasn't spoken to Tony
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Speaker 9: Burke or his office about this when he's gone and done.
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Speaker 2: This, you could not get thirty four pasts.
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Speaker 9: Look, it's just there's a few things missing here in
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Speaker 9: terms of just being open and honest. It has the appearance,
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Speaker 9: at least I'm not saying this is what happened. Has
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Speaker 9: the appearance of them hoping they could quietly get this
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Speaker 9: cohort back into the country because the camp was shutting
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Speaker 9: down or whatever it was, and no one would notice. Well,
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Speaker 9: you know people have noticed, and that's a problem, particularly
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Speaker 9: in the wake of Bondi.
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Speaker 4: It's a big political problem.
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Speaker 9: You've got Bondi, you got one nation rising, and you've
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Speaker 9: got a government that's sort of dancing around this and
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Speaker 9: initially appearing to assist them get home or not get
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Speaker 9: in the way, and now saying, oh, we don't want
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Speaker 9: them here, but they might be able to come here.
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Speaker 9: I mean, it's just a political mess you don't want.
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Speaker 2: Apart from anything, it'll be a feature of Parliament win
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Speaker 2: it returns next week.
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Speaker 9: It will be And look, I thought it was interesting.
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Speaker 9: Albanezy suggested they could face the full face of the law.
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Speaker 4: Are we talking about control orders? Are we talking about chargers?
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Speaker 9: And I also think, to be frank, there's people in
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Speaker 9: this country who are men, who are we have more
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Speaker 9: to fear from than these isis Bride's coming home in
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Speaker 9: terms of their ability to commit a radical terras stacks.
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Speaker 9: But what this becomes is just more emblematic for the
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Speaker 9: government of have you done enough on all these fronts?
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Speaker 9: Are you taking it seriously enough? Or are you worried
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Speaker 9: about votes and being politically correct.
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Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see. We'll watched closely camera next week, Andrew,
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Speaker 2: thank you. It will be an episode feature of question
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Speaker 2: Time and beyond it, particularly in the Senate, it will
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Speaker 2: be pursued. Let's go down to the UK, though, where
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Speaker 2: we have seen overnight the arrest of Peter Mandelson. He's
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Speaker 2: the man who recommended the former Duke of York be
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Speaker 2: made a UK Troit Envoy. Lord Mandlsson's a member of
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Speaker 2: the House of Lords. He is also a former Labor
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Speaker 2: Cabinet minister in the governments of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.
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Speaker 2: He's now been arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public
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Speaker 2: office for leegedly sharing information with Jeffrey Epstein. Here to
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Speaker 2: tell us more. Sky News contributor and our European correspondent
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Speaker 2: for News Corps, Sophie Elsworth. Sophie, I tell you what,
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Speaker 2: almost every single day this front pages and arrests and
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Speaker 2: story still emanating from Jeffrey Epstein. We've got both Mandalsson
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Speaker 2: now and Andrew matten Windsor on the same charge now
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Speaker 2: in addition to the police investigations and they're ongoing. Are
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Speaker 2: they facing pressure to front any of these investigations into
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Speaker 2: Epstein that are on foot. We know they are in
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Speaker 2: the Congress in the United States, but elsewhere. What's happening
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Speaker 2: with the public mood on this, Well, the.
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Speaker 12: Public mood is not good here, Peter. The British public
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Speaker 12: are very annoyed about this. We can just see here
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Speaker 12: on the front pages today, on the front of the
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Speaker 12: Sun it's saying things can only get sweatier here for Mandlsson,
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Speaker 12: and on the Daily Mail. Now Manderson faces the music.
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Speaker 12: I mean, this is really damaging for Sekir's starmer because
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Speaker 12: he is the one that appointed Peter Mandlsson.
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Speaker 2: To this role.
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Speaker 12: So the question has been asked on how did this happen,
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Speaker 12: How did he get in this role in the first place?
22:03
Speaker 12: And there are documents due to be released that looks
22:06
Speaker 12: at how this appointment happened, So there's a lot more
22:09
Speaker 12: information to come out. But I must stress Peter in
22:12
Speaker 12: both the case with Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and Lord Mandleson,
22:16
Speaker 12: no charges have yet been laid.
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Speaker 2: Where's Kier Starver or all of this because the early
22:21
Speaker 2: reports I had read were he looks to have circumvented
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Speaker 2: the usual processes to appoint Mandleson. Is this going to
22:31
Speaker 2: be the straw that breaks the camel's back?
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Speaker 12: It may well be Peter because there's a lot of
22:36
Speaker 12: pressure on him on how on earth did he appoint
22:40
Speaker 12: this man? Given it was widely known that Lord Mandleson
22:44
Speaker 12: maintained his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and it was all documented,
22:48
Speaker 12: it was out in the public domain before he was
22:50
Speaker 12: appointed to this position. So questions are being asked of
22:54
Speaker 12: Keir Starmer on how on earth did this did it
22:57
Speaker 12: get to this point? This is hugely embarrassed. There's a
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Speaker 12: by election coming up on the weekend here in the UK,
23:03
Speaker 12: which is very important for labor, and then we've got
23:07
Speaker 12: elections in Scotland and Wales coming up, So the next
23:10
Speaker 12: few months will be very trying for the Prime Minister,
23:14
Speaker 12: who is doing very poorly in the polls here, I
23:16
Speaker 12: might add as well.
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Speaker 2: And of course the former Prince has been his whole
23:21
Speaker 2: life inside the Royal family and under a Normers scrutiny
23:25
Speaker 2: and often accompanied by security details everywhere he has gone,
23:29
Speaker 2: so there'll be interest in what the former police security
23:33
Speaker 2: detail heard or saw and you've spoken I understand or
23:37
Speaker 2: former head of Scotland's Royal Yard, the protection team at
23:41
Speaker 2: Scotland Yard for the Royals, who was in command there
23:44
Speaker 2: from ninety four to ninety eight, he said he's been
23:46
Speaker 2: calling for a formal investigation into Mount batt and Windsor
23:50
Speaker 2: for years, Sophie, how's that not happened? What's he been
23:54
Speaker 2: able to tell you?
23:56
Speaker 4: Well?
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Speaker 12: I spoke exclusively to Die Davies yesterday, who was the
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Speaker 12: boss of the former Royal Protection Command from nineteen ninety
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Speaker 12: four to nineteen ninety eight, and he said he's been
24:06
Speaker 12: calling this for many years for a formal investigation, particularly
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Speaker 12: after the release of that image of Andrew mount Baton
24:14
Speaker 12: Windsor with Virginia Dufrey back in two thousand and one,
24:18
Speaker 12: and he also spoke about this shortly after that infamous
24:22
Speaker 12: BBC Newsnight interview that Andrew mount Batton Windsor did with
24:26
Speaker 12: Emily matelest But he said to me basically, Andrew mount
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Speaker 12: Batton Windsor is guilty ten times over in the court
24:36
Speaker 12: of public opinion. Now I must stress he's always denied
24:39
Speaker 12: any wrongdoing. But this is awfully shaky ground for Andrew
24:43
Speaker 12: mount Batton Windsor, and where the charges are laid against
24:46
Speaker 12: him and Lord Mandelsson, we can only wait and see.
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Speaker 6: Peter.
24:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look this a whole A bit about the
24:53
Speaker 2: royal succession is number eight. It's highly likely to ever
24:56
Speaker 2: get the throne, but fine, taking him out of the
24:58
Speaker 2: royal succession legislation will have to be passed in places
25:02
Speaker 2: like Australia. I get that, but I mean I see
25:04
Speaker 2: this domestically, Sophie as a distraction for our Prime minister,
25:08
Speaker 2: who is really in trouble over the Islamic State women.
25:12
Speaker 2: But in addition to Andrew, there's been a lot of
25:16
Speaker 2: focus on Fergie. Do we know what's happened to her?
25:19
Speaker 2: Because she reads very badly and the Epstein files as well.
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Speaker 12: She does Peter she looks terrible out of all of
25:29
Speaker 12: this as well, but she seems to have gone into hiding.
25:31
Speaker 12: She hasn't been seen in public since December. There were
25:35
Speaker 12: reports that she was at a Swiss mental health clinic
25:38
Speaker 12: which was some exorbitant amount. I think it was about
25:41
Speaker 12: twenty thousand dollars a night. She was checked into there
25:45
Speaker 12: over the month of January. But she's nowhere to be seen.
25:49
Speaker 12: And we know they've been joined at the HIT for decades,
25:51
Speaker 12: even though they are divorced, so more will certainly come
25:54
Speaker 12: out about her.
25:55
Speaker 2: I suspect that I leave it there. Thank you, Sophie.
25:58
Speaker 2: After the break, I'm a guru, Ross Green who joins
26:01
Speaker 2: me on the desks to talk about Peter Costello's big
26:04
Speaker 2: speech today. You've heard my view on it. Let's talk
26:06
Speaker 2: to Ross. But also the dire state of federal finances.
26:10
Speaker 2: An expert told Ross over the weekend that our best
26:14
Speaker 2: years are behind us? Is it really that bad? Welcome
26:23
Speaker 2: back today At the Aspire conference in Sydney, where has
26:26
Speaker 2: been a good part of the day, former treasure of
26:28
Speaker 2: Peter Costello made some sobering remarks about the state of
26:30
Speaker 2: our economy, the tax system and the federal budget. Costello's
26:35
Speaker 2: analysis of the budget paper shows that government spending p
26:38
Speaker 2: capita in constant dollar terms has grown by about thirty
26:42
Speaker 2: two percent since two thousand and seven, that's when the
26:45
Speaker 2: government changed hands from the Coalition to Liberal Now on
26:48
Speaker 2: average that's twenty six thousand dollars. Over the same period
26:52
Speaker 2: of time, tax per person has ritten by about sixteen
26:56
Speaker 2: percent to just under twenty four thousand. All of this
27:00
Speaker 2: has more dependent than ever on government.
27:04
Speaker 3: So government's softening people up for higher taxes. Right, And
27:07
Speaker 3: this is why capital gains tax is now being discussed.
27:12
Speaker 3: Why tax per person has been rising, We've never been
27:17
Speaker 3: raising as much, so why do we need a new
27:19
Speaker 3: tax rise. It's because spending has risen so much faster.
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Speaker 2: Right, johny Mey now SKYS and Business editor Ross Greenwood. Ross,
27:31
Speaker 2: We'll get to the substance of what I had to say,
27:32
Speaker 2: but I tell what I was sitting there in the
27:34
Speaker 2: room going gosh, this is what it was like when
27:36
Speaker 2: the grown ups were running the country, you know, seeing
27:38
Speaker 2: Costello there in full flight. Yeah, I was hankering for
27:41
Speaker 2: the old day.
27:42
Speaker 13: There was budget discipline because the government could only spend
27:45
Speaker 13: a certain amount of money, so it had to spend wisely.
27:48
Speaker 13: It relied on the private sector to do most of
27:51
Speaker 13: the heavy lifting, and as a result, you had projects
27:54
Speaker 13: that had to reach hurdle rates so that they grew,
27:57
Speaker 13: profits grew, taxes grew.
27:59
Speaker 4: For the government.
28:00
Speaker 13: As a result of this, the country was more productive,
28:03
Speaker 13: and so as a result, the country could grow at
28:05
Speaker 13: its long term average of above three percent without creating inflation,
28:10
Speaker 13: without putting pressure on interest rates. Now it's fallen back
28:14
Speaker 13: into the old ways, where a centralized government that's wanting
28:18
Speaker 13: more taxes to afford its own spending is getting in
28:21
Speaker 13: the way of the private sector, and as a result
28:24
Speaker 13: of that, the country now can't grow to afford that
28:27
Speaker 13: spending without creating inflation and higher interest rates.
28:32
Speaker 2: If focused also on I guess the percentage or the
28:37
Speaker 2: growth of government, but not just government spending, the number
28:41
Speaker 2: of people in the economy that are working for the
28:44
Speaker 2: government sector, which is always least productive when you can
28:47
Speaker 2: compare it with the privacy.
28:49
Speaker 13: So that's childcare, that's age care, that's healthcare, all very
28:52
Speaker 13: important things for first world nations, so long as you
28:55
Speaker 13: have a country, a national economy that is growing fast
28:59
Speaker 13: enough to be able to afford those things. So big
29:02
Speaker 13: questions for government right now, centralized government, Why, for example,
29:07
Speaker 13: is the NDI is not means tested?
29:10
Speaker 4: Why is childcare and why.
29:11
Speaker 2: Is it uncapped? Because not uncapped?
29:15
Speaker 4: That's so.
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Speaker 13: Therefore, these things are going to grow and continue to
29:19
Speaker 13: grow at a time when you've got other pressures on
29:21
Speaker 13: your budget, including your defense spending.
29:23
Speaker 2: So so why I also, you know, there's a story
29:25
Speaker 2: today about the Commonwealth being hit by the unions who
29:28
Speaker 2: want another round of increases to childcare wages. Now childcare
29:32
Speaker 2: businesses are put largely for profit, privately owned commercial businesses.
29:39
Speaker 2: Why on earth would the taxpayer have to fund these increases?
29:42
Speaker 13: Yet again, that's right, and so this again adds to
29:45
Speaker 13: the cost of government at the point which which the
29:49
Speaker 13: individual in the past used to pay these costs, used
29:53
Speaker 13: to bear these costs. Now middle class welfare has become
29:56
Speaker 13: so large many families could not really sort of operate
30:00
Speaker 13: without that. And this is the fundamental they're beholden to
30:04
Speaker 13: government as compared with being beholden to themselves. So the
30:08
Speaker 13: real issue now is twelve percent superannuation going in. Make
30:12
Speaker 13: certain you've got your superannuation because we were told in
30:15
Speaker 13: the past you will be self sufficient in retirement. But
30:18
Speaker 13: it's still not enough. And indeed, younger generations coming through
30:23
Speaker 13: who are the disadvantage ones, is no doubt. Peter Castillo
30:26
Speaker 13: talked about this today. They're the ones who will not
30:28
Speaker 13: be as well off as their parents were. It used
30:31
Speaker 13: to be used to be able to go to a
30:33
Speaker 13: country high school, a metropolitan high school, go to university
30:37
Speaker 13: and be.
30:37
Speaker 4: Better off than what your parents' generation was.
30:40
Speaker 13: The sad reality is unless you come from a family
30:43
Speaker 13: that has real estate, that has enough superannuation, you're probably
30:48
Speaker 13: not in that situation in the fuldre.
30:50
Speaker 2: That's just the very edges of the demography spread in Australia.
30:54
Speaker 2: You know, you've got a little bit down here who
30:57
Speaker 2: will always live on welfare, so they'll be looked after.
30:59
Speaker 2: The stay in a little bit up here who are
31:01
Speaker 2: generationally reach the vast walk of the Australian middle class,
31:06
Speaker 2: which has been the injurine room of this economy. They
31:09
Speaker 2: are in trouble.
31:10
Speaker 4: Well, they are bleeding, that's true.
31:11
Speaker 13: And think about it, that cohort is going to live longer,
31:15
Speaker 13: so they're going to spend.
31:16
Speaker 4: Most of their superannuation.
31:17
Speaker 13: So their kids coming after them probably hoping to rely
31:22
Speaker 13: on say some sort of equity to pay off their
31:26
Speaker 13: own debts.
31:27
Speaker 4: Might be sadly disappointed when they get.
31:29
Speaker 2: The divide between the left and the right, though, because
31:31
Speaker 2: the left wants you to depended on the state.
31:34
Speaker 4: That's it.
31:34
Speaker 2: They want a big state, but they want you to
31:36
Speaker 2: depend it on the state, because even if you don't
31:38
Speaker 2: like things they're doing and you want to vote against them,
31:41
Speaker 2: you're so financially beholden. The converse problem here for the
31:44
Speaker 2: right is obviously, how on earth do you tackle government spending,
31:48
Speaker 2: particularly recurrent spending. How do you tackle it? Because you
31:52
Speaker 2: can't because you're going to take money out of people's pocket.
31:53
Speaker 13: That's right, because politically, you've got to walk in and
31:56
Speaker 13: sack public servants. You've got to be able to reduce
32:00
Speaker 13: the size of government departments. You've got to take away
32:03
Speaker 13: benefits to the community, all of which are right now
32:06
Speaker 13: political poison.
32:07
Speaker 2: And we saw what happen over the twenty fourteen budget
32:09
Speaker 2: when they even just tried to have their differ.
32:11
Speaker 4: That's right.
32:11
Speaker 2: Just before we go, I was watching your program on Sunday.
32:14
Speaker 2: Never miss it, my audience, I'm sure never misses it.
32:17
Speaker 2: You had a comment made from your guest that really
32:21
Speaker 2: I set up and took notice, and I want to
32:23
Speaker 2: play it again tonight from my viewers.
32:24
Speaker 13: AT's all listen, Will the next generation be better off
32:29
Speaker 13: than their parents?
32:30
Speaker 2: If you know the answer to that?
32:31
Speaker 4: The answer is no.
32:33
Speaker 14: No, is that our generation and the generation probably are.
32:37
Speaker 14: We were the last ones. We were probably the last
32:41
Speaker 14: mass generalization. I reckon and the whole audience is throwing
32:45
Speaker 14: things at the screen. But the probable reality is that
32:49
Speaker 14: the next generation, because of inflation, because of the cost
32:52
Speaker 14: of housing and all these other reasons, because of AI,
32:54
Speaker 14: that will put people out of jobs. No, we've seen
32:57
Speaker 14: the best of it to a large extent.
33:01
Speaker 2: Sobering, sobering on so many levels. That was the economic part.
33:04
Speaker 2: But of course, you know, in health terms, life expectancy
33:07
Speaker 2: will be less for these generations going forward. And also
33:11
Speaker 2: they argue because of our dependency on devices ross and
33:16
Speaker 2: the fact we don't read books anymore and we don't
33:18
Speaker 2: have any inquiring mind in the education system intellectually, in
33:21
Speaker 2: IQ terms, we're also going backwards.
33:24
Speaker 13: That's right, And so Richard Quest, you know CNN's business
33:27
Speaker 13: edits or at large, interviewed most of the major business leaders,
33:31
Speaker 13: know political leaders in the world, and I've known him
33:34
Speaker 13: for thirty years, I say there is.
33:35
Speaker 4: And it was a debate. It was a really conversation
33:39
Speaker 4: back and forwards. And I love that.
33:40
Speaker 13: Type of person to talk to because their global view
33:44
Speaker 13: of the world and what they see bringing it back
33:47
Speaker 13: home here to our Australian context makes you, in a
33:50
Speaker 13: very sober way, recognize that unless you have decisive government
33:55
Speaker 13: that can make decisions and won't sit in the hands,
33:58
Speaker 13: then the reality is ultimately Australians go backwards and that's
34:02
Speaker 13: not anybody's interests.
34:03
Speaker 2: All right, Ross Green with great to be with you
34:05
Speaker 2: in person, great show anyway, Thank you. I've got a
34:11
Speaker 2: cup of tea here, but I've a children glass of
34:13
Speaker 2: wine after that. Very depressing sort of sigma there with Ross.
34:16
Speaker 2: But this is what we've got to face up to.
34:18
Speaker 2: This is the reality or an after the break a
34:20
Speaker 2: major discrepancy and the energy market operator is reported there
34:23
Speaker 2: analysis that forecasts rolling blackouts if Arah Ring's closed. So
34:28
Speaker 2: why have we only just found out about this? The
34:31
Speaker 2: man who found out this secret information joins me in
34:35
Speaker 2: a moment, welcome back. Now you will not believe just
34:43
Speaker 2: into Allen's hypocrisy on women's health and transgender ideology. I'll
34:49
Speaker 2: bring you that in a moment. But first it's been
34:51
Speaker 2: revealed the Australian Energy Market Operator has advised the government
34:55
Speaker 2: there would be no risk for the energy greed if
34:57
Speaker 2: the giant errah In power station shut down. However, this
35:01
Speaker 2: report is directly contradicted by forecasts two weeks earlier that
35:07
Speaker 2: predicted a greater risk of rollouts of blackouts because of
35:10
Speaker 2: the shortage in the grid if a new South Wales
35:13
Speaker 2: power station was to close. Joining me out to discuss
35:16
Speaker 2: the detail here. Center for Independent Studies Director of Energy
35:19
Speaker 2: Research Aid Morrison. Well, you've raised this contradiction in research
35:26
Speaker 2: with the regulator. Have they responded? How have they responded?
35:30
Speaker 5: No, it doesn't appear there's much of a response so far.
35:32
Speaker 5: We've put in a submission highlighting this as a big discrepancy.
35:35
Speaker 5: It goes to the heart of whether the energy transition
35:37
Speaker 5: is actually on track. And in the article today we
35:39
Speaker 5: can see that they've just claimed there is a technical
35:41
Speaker 5: different purpose and said that nothing to be seen here.
35:44
Speaker 5: So there is clearly something to be seen here. So
35:46
Speaker 5: I think there is no excuse so far for what
35:49
Speaker 5: we've seen is different contradictory reports coming from the same organization.
35:52
Speaker 2: And remind people at home how important Irarring is to
35:56
Speaker 2: our energy supply in this country.
35:58
Speaker 5: A ring is the largest single coal fired power station.
36:01
Speaker 5: So it's got about two point eight gigawatts of capacity,
36:04
Speaker 5: four different units of about seven hundred megawats each, and
36:06
Speaker 5: so that supplies a very significant share, probably about a
36:10
Speaker 5: third of the coal fired power station capacity we have,
36:13
Speaker 5: and so it's the biggest single piece of our energy security.
36:17
Speaker 4: We haven't so.
36:17
Speaker 2: Any discrepancy about ERRAI is absolutely front page years.
36:22
Speaker 4: It certainly is.
36:22
Speaker 5: This is the biggest asset, the most important asset. It's
36:24
Speaker 5: the first one schedule to retire. So if we don't
36:27
Speaker 5: get a arring right, we've got nothing seriously right about
36:29
Speaker 5: our modeling and planning.
36:30
Speaker 2: I think we've got a graph we can put on
36:32
Speaker 2: the screen in a moment. I want you to talk
36:34
Speaker 2: fewers through what this graph tells them and how they
36:38
Speaker 2: should interpret it. There it is on the screen.
36:40
Speaker 5: Great This graph shows three different simulations the market operator
36:43
Speaker 5: has done and you can see on the right hand
36:45
Speaker 5: side of the first two plots. There you can see
36:48
Speaker 5: this red line which is New South Wales, shooting up
36:51
Speaker 5: into the top right hand corner above the two horizontal lines.
36:54
Speaker 5: That shows huge breaches of the reliability standard. So the
36:57
Speaker 5: highest point on that chart there is a thousand times
37:01
Speaker 5: the interim reliability measure that we have in force. We'd
37:04
Speaker 5: be talking about an hour per week of blackouts in
37:06
Speaker 5: New South Wales for the whole state blackout if we
37:09
Speaker 5: were to realize that particular expectation. So these are huge
37:12
Speaker 5: blackouts and the final different row there where there's nothing
37:15
Speaker 5: that goes above that.
37:17
Speaker 2: Those horrizony one right down at the bottom.
37:18
Speaker 5: Down at the bottom. That's the simulation they ran the
37:21
Speaker 5: day after the Airing power station announced that it would extend.
37:25
Speaker 5: And so they'd been sitting on these simulations for months
37:28
Speaker 5: and months and months showing there'd be huge blackouts again
37:30
Speaker 5: and again, simulation of simulation, and they rerun, they crank
37:34
Speaker 5: the handle again the day after auring announced extends and
37:37
Speaker 5: it's all gone. It seems as though that hope that
37:39
Speaker 5: no one would notice that they had a huge critical
37:41
Speaker 5: problem while saying to the whole community that we had
37:44
Speaker 5: enough energy in the system. The opposite is true according
37:47
Speaker 5: this analysis they're producing.
37:49
Speaker 2: What does the modeling suggest to us about the renewables rollout?
37:54
Speaker 5: It suggests to us clearly that it's not going at
37:56
Speaker 5: anything like the place that was planned and so, and
37:59
Speaker 5: that's the real contradict here, because the market operator back
38:01
Speaker 5: in August and then update in October, produced a report
38:05
Speaker 5: called the Energy Statement of Opportunities, and its news was
38:08
Speaker 5: that things are going okay, that this time around this
38:11
Speaker 5: year we have enough energy in the system to replace
38:14
Speaker 5: Aarring when it closes in twenty seven, and there was
38:17
Speaker 5: only technicalities around security that might cause a minor extension.
38:21
Speaker 5: But actually we've got nothing like enough energy to replace
38:24
Speaker 5: Araing when it closes, which in tuitive we know because
38:27
Speaker 5: the pipeline is basically empty. There's not much more grid
38:30
Speaker 5: scale energy projects that are reaching financial close lots, signing
38:34
Speaker 5: applications and putting in planning applications, but not actually putting
38:38
Speaker 5: their money down and proceeding to construction. So it seems
38:41
Speaker 5: that this is what we all intuitively expected. That COLE
38:44
Speaker 5: basically fires New South Wales overnight almost every night, and
38:47
Speaker 5: without these big power stations we'd have blackouts.
38:50
Speaker 2: Chris Brown's announced a review of the governance arrangements for
38:54
Speaker 2: the regular for AEMO. What's behind that review and what
39:00
Speaker 2: do you want to see come out? Of the review.
39:03
Speaker 5: Well, that review was the recommendation of a Senate inquiry
39:06
Speaker 5: that was set up in the previous year, and so
39:09
Speaker 5: I think it's absolutely high time that we did have
39:11
Speaker 5: an EMAIL undergo a governance review. The massive question that
39:14
Speaker 5: has to be asked here is is a EMAI still
39:17
Speaker 5: meant to be serving consumers all right, which is what
39:19
Speaker 5: the rules and statutes say, They're meant to be serving
39:21
Speaker 5: the interests of consumers, or are they simply serving the
39:24
Speaker 5: interest of politicians and the ministers because it seems as
39:28
Speaker 5: though we have this huge planning system. The idea was
39:31
Speaker 5: the experts will determine what's best in consumers' interests, and
39:34
Speaker 5: the ministers would follow some of that expert advice. The
39:37
Speaker 5: opposite is now happening, where fanciful goals like reaching eighty
39:40
Speaker 5: two percent renewables by twenty thirty, or closing a rah
39:44
Speaker 5: Ring in twenty five, as Matt Keen thought was possible,
39:46
Speaker 5: or a twenty seven they're being hard coded into this report,
39:50
Speaker 5: which is actually letting us all assume that something expert
39:53
Speaker 5: and credible and analyzing the merit of these proposals has happened,
39:57
Speaker 5: when actually it's not. It's simply pure political time targets
40:00
Speaker 5: that have been basically dressed up to look as though
40:03
Speaker 5: the experts produced them.
40:04
Speaker 2: It isn't this, though, where the rubber hits a row
40:07
Speaker 2: between political aspirations and the politiking of Matt Keen and
40:11
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen and the job of a regulator, which is
40:15
Speaker 2: to be independent. But if the feels like there's been
40:18
Speaker 2: a bastardization in that relationship, it's.
40:21
Speaker 5: Been catastrophically bastardized. And you can see this in the
40:24
Speaker 5: campaign that Chris Bowen ran. His primary theme in saying
40:28
Speaker 5: that trust me on energy was about I'm with the experts.
40:31
Speaker 5: The experts came up with this plan as an expert plan,
40:34
Speaker 5: and he used that directly even in debates in the
40:36
Speaker 5: election campaign against his opponent, and held up these reports
40:40
Speaker 5: such as the Integrated System Plan and said, look, this
40:42
Speaker 5: is the expert analysis that backs our plan. But we
40:45
Speaker 5: actually know, if you listen carefully, the experts have told us, no,
40:49
Speaker 5: we didn't come up with this plan. We first assumed
40:51
Speaker 5: that all government policy was achievable, and he is achieved
40:55
Speaker 5: in this plan without casting any effort to assess the
40:59
Speaker 5: merits of how usable, let alone how cost effective. That
41:02
Speaker 5: plan actually is so we've been told we have an
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Speaker 5: expert plan. In fact, actually the experts have just been
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Speaker 5: dressing up and disguising the politicians' plans as coming from experts.
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Speaker 5: And I think that's a tragedy and it needs to
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Speaker 5: be addressed in the governance review.
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Speaker 2: Good only ad the good only for d and to
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Speaker 2: the detail. Thank goodness, we've got you on the team.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you all Right after the brak, the
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Speaker 2: Victorian Premier weighs in on allegations of surgical misconduct at
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Speaker 2: the Melbourne private hospital. But her hypocrisy here, it's breathtaking
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Speaker 2: plaus government silence and speculation. That isis league families are
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Speaker 2: on their way to Victoria. My panel on the conflint
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Speaker 2: Jamie Rogers up next, welcome back. Well today the Victorian
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Speaker 2: Premier just into Allen's come out swinging. Our allegations are
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Speaker 2: necessary and potentially criminal surgical misconduct at a Melbourne private hospital.
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Speaker 10: I've referred these allegations to Victoria Police. Now I'm not
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Speaker 10: going to comment on some of the specifics because I
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Speaker 10: want Victoria Police to do their work. But performing unnecessary
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Speaker 10: surgeries is a crime. That is why it needs to
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Speaker 10: be investigated by Victoria police. Removing a woman's organs without
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Speaker 10: an identified clinical need is a crime.
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Speaker 2: Right, Johnny, We're here to discuss this and more. Former
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Speaker 2: Liberal MP ter Coole Flintsky and his contributed to Jamie Rodgers,
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Speaker 2: and I'll start with you because I know this relates
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Speaker 2: to allegations of misconduct in relation to endometriosis surgery. And
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Speaker 2: you've been a huge advocate Ferendo. But those lines she said,
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Speaker 2: they're about removing women's organs without an identified clinical need.
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Speaker 2: Does she not know what goes on at the Royal
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Speaker 2: Children's Hospital in Melbourne. Surgery is performed on minors who
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Speaker 2: can't even give consent. So it's hypocrisy, that's right.
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Speaker 8: So we have young people who are making well, who
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Speaker 8: are allegedly making decisions that I don't think they're capable
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Speaker 8: of making, as you've just said, because they're too young
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Speaker 8: to consent or truly understand what they're doing to their body.
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Speaker 8: And these are irreversible changes that perhaps one day in
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Speaker 8: five or ten or twenty years time, they wake up
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Speaker 8: and have deep regrets about the fact that they probably
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Speaker 8: can't have children, that their body hasn't developed as it
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Speaker 8: should have.
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Speaker 2: That they haven't gone through puberty.
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Speaker 8: There's been more recent reports that countries overseas are blocking
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Speaker 8: are banning puberty blockers, and yet the Victorian premiere seems
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Speaker 8: completely incapable of understanding the analogy with what she's just
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Speaker 8: said to what is happening to young people who can't consent.
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Speaker 2: Jamie. I want to talk to you about other things
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Speaker 2: as well, but I mean clearly this will be the
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Speaker 2: legal crisis of the future. The compensation claims and the
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Speaker 2: millions of dollars are already starting to flow. Countries around
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Speaker 2: the world, the United States, United Kingdom in particular, are
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Speaker 2: rapidly reversing these policies. Here in Australia, we're going faster
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Speaker 2: and deeper than ever before. And every time someone who
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Speaker 2: is an expert says we must have a medical based
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Speaker 2: inquiry in this country, politicians block it in the parliament.
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Speaker 15: It's so concerning when you're being told by the medical
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Speaker 15: regulator that well, you are literally flying blind here because they.
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Speaker 2: Haven't been doing that. Just so for people that I'm
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Speaker 2: follow that that's the story today, that the TGA has
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Speaker 2: got no idea what's happening here, and the Health Minister
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Speaker 2: Mark Butler is not instructing his agency, he's not oversiting
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Speaker 2: his agency as he should.
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Speaker 15: No exactly, And the fact that they're proceeding ahead with
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Speaker 15: things like the puberty blockers when there hasn't been the
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Speaker 15: proper research or the clinical trials. And as you just
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Speaker 15: mentioned in the UK back in twenty twenty four, they
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Speaker 15: put that indefinite ban on the puberty blockers outside of
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Speaker 15: clinical trials. And to listen to this so safety concerns
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Speaker 15: regarding puberty blockers, long term biological harm including sterilization, irreversible
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Speaker 15: bone damage, interfew heerence with normal brain development, and cardiovascular disorders.
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Speaker 15: And in that article today children as young as nine
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Speaker 15: have been given puberty blockers. And when I read that,
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Speaker 15: it breaks my hearts. My son's almost nine, and I
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Speaker 15: look at him and I think, you also don't have that.
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Speaker 15: He's very smart, but you don't have that mental capacity
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Speaker 15: to be able to make that decision to say I
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Speaker 15: want to be taking these sort of medical I just
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Speaker 15: think it's terrible. And Peter, we're going to look back
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Speaker 15: on this and think, what on earth did we do
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Speaker 15: to all of these children? What were we all thinking
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Speaker 15: at this time, and why did anyone stop it?
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Speaker 2: When they could is laving state. Nicole, We've talked about
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Speaker 2: this a lot. I know you've been in it and
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Speaker 2: around government when all of this went on, and you'll
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Speaker 2: have very strong views. We finally get an answer for
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Speaker 2: Chris Min's yesterday on Monday, where he says, look, we've
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Speaker 2: been in discussions about this for months, even though she
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Speaker 2: tried to dance around it. Today we got the same
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Speaker 2: confirmation from Jacinta Alan. All the while, the Prime Minister says,
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Speaker 2: we're not repeturing it, repatriating anyone but Tony Burke's mate.
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Speaker 2: And we know he's his mate because he starts a
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Speaker 2: Friends of Tony Burke club. Is over there with thirty
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Speaker 2: five passports and his poor trying to get these women
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Speaker 2: back to Australia. The Prime Minister was pushed on this
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Speaker 2: point on the Karl Stefanovic podcast Have a Listen.
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Speaker 9: Did Tony Burke do a deal with refugee advocates before
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Speaker 9: the last election?
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Speaker 4: Is that true?
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Speaker 16: Well, Karl, I call bullshit. The fact is that that
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Speaker 16: group that was spoken about, the non government organization, took
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Speaker 16: the Australian government to court to demand the repatriation and
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Speaker 16: we won that case.
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Speaker 2: Well, RIFFI isn't part of that cohort, and RIFFI is
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke's mate, and RIFFI is over there with these passports.
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Speaker 2: Well Bs and the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely either Labor guilty of letting these isis brides back
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Speaker 8: into Australia because they are doing nothing. I don't believe
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Speaker 8: they're doing nothing. They're letting them back in because they're
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Speaker 8: refusing or failing to pass legislation to stop them from
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Speaker 8: coming in if that's the problem, because it's been suggested
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Speaker 8: that our current citizenship and passport laws can't prevent them.
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Speaker 8: But are they also actively assisting third parties to work
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Speaker 8: the system effectively to get these women in, which it
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Speaker 8: does seem like they are. And what I want to
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Speaker 8: know is why do people who do the wrong thing
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Speaker 8: or are very likely going to be a risk to
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Speaker 8: our national security have all the rights and Laura abiding
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Speaker 8: us Stadians will pay the price.
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Speaker 2: And not just in terms of our security, Jamie, I
47:43
Speaker 2: want to know how much these women are gonna cost us,
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Speaker 2: that is exact homes, welfare, childcare, mental health support. They
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Speaker 2: will probably never work and they'll cost us millions.
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Speaker 15: And Chris Mins was asked that today and said where
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Speaker 15: are these families supposed to live? Are they going in
47:58
Speaker 15: government housing? If that's the case, do they get to
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Speaker 15: jump ahead everyone else that's been waiting on the list.
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Speaker 15: He couldn't answer that. But again, who's paying for this?
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Speaker 1: All of us?
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Speaker 15: And when you look at the Sunday Telegraph where they
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Speaker 15: had that poll, and sixty four percent of voters don't
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Speaker 15: want them to return back here and there's only fifteen
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Speaker 15: percent that said that they did, and that includes labor
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Speaker 15: voters as well. And I keep thinking what about the
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Speaker 15: children that as in the Australian kids, that these children
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Speaker 15: will be at school with them? What protection is going
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Speaker 15: to happen for them or for all of us walking
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Speaker 15: the streets with them?
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Speaker 2: Stuff? What about the Assyrian Christians who fled them? They
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Speaker 2: have to now limit suburbs next to Isis.
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Speaker 4: There?
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Speaker 2: That's it for me? See tomorrow night. He's anthropot