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Credlin | 20 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandler live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Let's have a look
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Speaker 2: at what's coming up tonight on Kredline.
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Speaker 3: First that librook.
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Speaker 2: Now nationals they're in for a meltdown, former party leader
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Speaker 2: former Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce declaring himself over the
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Speaker 2: weekend to be a free agent and setting the party
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Speaker 2: into a bit of a tail spin. And those one
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Speaker 2: nation rumors, Well, I'll quiz Pauline Hanson's chief of staff
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Speaker 2: James Ashby on that. Shortly the much awaited meeting between
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump and Anthony alberaneazy set for tomorrow. Our PM's
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Speaker 2: landed in DC and the credible talk is that the
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Speaker 2: deal's already being.
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Speaker 3: Done on critical minerals.
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Speaker 2: So will that mean a trouble free oval off us
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Speaker 2: sit down for alb and easy, Well, we'll see.
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Speaker 3: Don't forget.
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Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd is also in the room. Class Australia's top
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Speaker 2: science agency stands accused of crossing the line embedding climate
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Speaker 2: propaganda into reality TV.
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Speaker 3: Nickkta joins us to warn that the CSIRO has swapped.
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Speaker 2: Hard science for mind games on net zero and those
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Speaker 2: shocking scenes in the heart of Melbourne on the weekend,
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Speaker 2: riot police hospitalized after left wing thugs pelted them with rocks.
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Speaker 2: The presier has got her head in the sand. She
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Speaker 2: doesn't live in Melbourne, I do. Let me tell you
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Speaker 2: the city is in trouble.
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Speaker 4: It should not be repeated, but I will repeat that. Yes,
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Speaker 4: Melbourne's CBD is safe, and I think it would be
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Speaker 4: wrong and misleading to conflate the behavior of a very
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Speaker 4: small number of people yesterday who came to the city
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Speaker 4: to bring violence, and they were dealt with swiftly by
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Speaker 4: Victoria police. With the incredible number and growing number of
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Speaker 4: people who come in and out of the city every
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Speaker 4: day and on weekends and do so safely.
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Speaker 3: As I said, she was a living in Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: She lives two and a half hours away in country Victoria.
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Speaker 2: I'll come back to that in a moment, But first,
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Speaker 2: it was Bob Menzie's who observed that defeat disunites the defeated,
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Speaker 2: and given he was the senior political Conservative the last
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Speaker 2: time Labor had a majority as big as they do now,
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Speaker 2: back in nineteen forty three, well he would know. Part
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Speaker 2: of her recovery process back then was the formation of
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Speaker 2: the new Party, the Liberal Party out of the wreckage
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Speaker 2: of the old United Australia Party. Now things are not
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Speaker 2: quite so bad now. I don't know it's getting bad though,
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Speaker 2: But in the absence of strong leadership, the one certainty
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Speaker 2: is that they will get worse, and with that there's
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Speaker 2: the risk that what's left of the coalition will splinter.
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Speaker 2: Now he might not have run a good campaign, but
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Speaker 2: one thing Peter Dutton was able to do was keep
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Speaker 2: the team together.
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Speaker 3: Well, not anymore.
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Speaker 2: Two of the Liberals' best talents, Andrew Hasty and Just Enterprise,
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Speaker 2: both on the backbench, essentially because the leadership won't take
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Speaker 2: a harder ligne against record high immigration and against the
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Speaker 2: net zero strait jacket, and two more of their best talents,
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Speaker 2: Ankas Taylor and James Patterson or they've recently been talking
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Speaker 2: about the Liberal Party and where it should be headed,
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Speaker 2: rather than articulating specific policy and campaigning on it. Of course,
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Speaker 2: Patterson's right to say that the pity Party must stop,
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Speaker 2: that the review process must end, and that the coalition's
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Speaker 2: got to start taking up the fight to this deeply
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Speaker 2: underwhelming labor government. But that can only really happen if
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Speaker 2: lives a few strong positions on topics and voters care
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Speaker 2: about that. They are then prepared to argue for every
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Speaker 2: single day until the next election. Now they can do
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Speaker 2: that over the voice. If they could turn the tide
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Speaker 2: there because they had arguments of conviction, then I still
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Speaker 2: believe anything's possible, not if they start to fall apart
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Speaker 2: and start the bitching and the moaning against each other.
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Speaker 2: Over the weekend, rumors swept Canber that former National Party
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Speaker 2: leader and Deputy Prime Minister barning With Joyce was about
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Speaker 2: to quit the party and join One Nation Now. In response,
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Speaker 2: Joyce said that the relationship between him and the current leader,
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Speaker 2: David Little Proud had essentially broken down. That the Coalition
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Speaker 2: must dump Net zero, said Joyce, because it was devastating
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Speaker 2: the economy and dividing rural Australia, and that he would
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Speaker 2: not recontest his New South Wales lower seat of New
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Speaker 2: England for the Nationals and in the meantime and these
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Speaker 2: are all caging words, in the meantime he would consider
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Speaker 2: his future.
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Speaker 5: I won't be sort of involved with the National Party
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Speaker 5: at a political level in Canberra. The next thing is, oh, well,
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Speaker 5: what are you going to do next?
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Speaker 2: Them?
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Speaker 5: Lead them up to me. I'll make my decision in
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Speaker 5: my time. I'm now, as I say, a free agent.
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Speaker 2: It's also reported today that Lew O'Brien, the National Party
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Speaker 2: member for White Bay in central Queensland, is also said
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Speaker 2: to be considering his position. Meanwhile, fellow Mad Canavan, who
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Speaker 2: exiled himself to the back bench a couple of years
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Speaker 2: ago in protests over the Liberals labor like policies, to
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Speaker 2: his credit, set at least he would never defect.
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Speaker 3: Now. There are two.
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Speaker 2: Essential points I want to make here. The first is
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Speaker 2: what Australia needs right now is strong liberal conservative alternative government,
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Speaker 2: not a right wing protest party.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: As much as I respect Pauline Hanson and I like
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Speaker 2: her political honesty, she's no Donald Trump, she's no Nigel Farage,
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Speaker 2: and one nation's never going to form government. And to
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Speaker 2: try and compare one nation with Farage or even what's
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Speaker 2: happening in the US, it's nonsense given the radically different
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Speaker 2: voting systems. The second thing is that without Barnaby Joyce
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Speaker 2: Liberal National Coalition will be weaker, not stronger. It'll be
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Speaker 2: more wishy washy, not more decisive and determined, and the
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Speaker 2: only beneficiary is from Barnaby's departure if that's what ultimately ensues,
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Speaker 2: or with those liberals and Nats who want to minimize
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Speaker 2: their differences with Labor and shift the coalition further to
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Speaker 2: the left. As I said, we'll come back to that
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Speaker 2: with James Ashby Paul and Hanson's chief of staff in
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Speaker 2: a moment, but let's go now of the mess that
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Speaker 2: is Victoria. Yesterday, on the streets of Melbourne, yet another
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Speaker 2: hard left activist rally, this time out with the pro
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Speaker 2: Palestinian flag and in with the latest cause, this one
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Speaker 2: the known racism push, which is a little more than
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Speaker 2: a thinly disguised way to keep the antifa types out
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Speaker 2: on the streets as ordinary Australians marched in protest against
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Speaker 2: our country's ever increasing immigration rate. Because this is how
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Speaker 2: well the left works. If we're defending Jews against anti
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Speaker 2: Semitic hate and terrorism, they're trying to money the water
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Speaker 2: over claims of starvation in Gaza. If we're trying to
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Speaker 2: defend our flag and our freedoms, they're marching against racism, which,
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Speaker 2: by word association alone, is meant to imply that anyone
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Speaker 2: who thinks we're taking in too many migrants too quickly
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Speaker 2: or they must.
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Speaker 3: Be a racist.
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Speaker 2: Once the world's most livable city, then the world's most
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Speaker 2: locked down. Under Daniel Andrews, Melbourne is the hard Left's
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Speaker 2: petro dish of permanent protest and hate throw in out
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Speaker 2: of controlled crime, the carjackings, the home invasions, the Maschheti
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Speaker 2: attacks with yet another one last night at Luna Park,
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Speaker 2: Ens and Kilda, and it's hard to avoid the conclusion
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Speaker 2: the place is broken. Even the police can no longer
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Speaker 2: dodge the reality for life of those who venture into
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Speaker 2: the CBD.
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Speaker 6: These were being thrown at police. Bottles filled with shards
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Speaker 6: of glass were being thrown at the police. Bins were
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Speaker 6: put on fire, flags were on fire, and I think,
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Speaker 6: you know, really, enough's enough.
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Speaker 2: I note those specific comments from VIC Pole commander Wayne Cheeseman.
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Speaker 2: He talked about the behavior of the two protest groups. First,
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Speaker 2: a hard left render crowd activist Balaklava, clad and armed
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Speaker 2: with projectiles.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 6: The people that came to pick the fight with police
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Speaker 6: were the issue motivated groups on the left. They're cowards.
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Speaker 6: They come in face coverings, they come in masks, they
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Speaker 6: come with hoodies on, they hide behind each other. You
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Speaker 6: can see them today. They had the umbrellas up. They
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Speaker 6: ducked down behind the water filled barriers. They ducked down,
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Speaker 6: They pulled the rocks out of their bags and they
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Speaker 6: throw them as hard as they can at the police.
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Speaker 2: And then note his comments about the other protest group,
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Speaker 2: Ranching for Australia. I mean, everyday types, ordinary Australians with
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Speaker 2: their Ossie flags calling on the government to wind back
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Speaker 2: our record rates of immigration.
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Speaker 6: I can tell you that the March for Australia group,
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Speaker 6: they were peaceful, they were engaging, They listened to our instructions,
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Speaker 6: they did what they were told and they protested by example.
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Speaker 2: Thank god for a cop who says exactly what the
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Speaker 2: truth is.
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Speaker 3: And does not mince his words.
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Speaker 2: Then compare these comments from attendees, the hard left raging,
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Speaker 2: and then ordinary people who have simply had enough.
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Speaker 1: Hundreds of thousand people coming in, like I'm not against immigration.
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Speaker 7: I'm just against mass immigration, you know, for the kids.
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Speaker 6: I just fear for their future.
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Speaker 8: It's any humane, it's unconstitutional and it's unfair.
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Speaker 2: There you go, I mean that is just ordinary Australians
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Speaker 2: who have had enough. Indeed, to contrast the two crowd objectives, here.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at this poster on a city pole
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Speaker 2: yesterday in Melbourne. It reads build a bright future for
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Speaker 2: trans kids. Throw a brick at a cop today. That's right,
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Speaker 2: that's what it says, throw a brick at a cop. Reprehensible, yes,
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Speaker 2: but also a very clear example of the intersectionality of
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Speaker 2: this sort of hate on the left, trans riots mixed
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Speaker 2: up with anti racism rallies and indigenous rights and propalacity
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Speaker 2: in flags, adding the so called climate catastrophe. And it's
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Speaker 2: a modern day version of that old line from my
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Speaker 2: university days thirty years ago, land.
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Speaker 3: Rights for gay whales.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we might snigger at their stupidity, but none
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Speaker 2: of this is by mistake. All of this is highly coordinated,
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Speaker 2: it's carefully organized, it's very well funded, including by some
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Speaker 2: sources out of.
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Speaker 3: The United States.
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Speaker 2: And yet if you managed to catch some of the
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Speaker 2: commercial news programs last night, and I did, I made
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Speaker 2: sure I flipped around them all, well, you could be
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Speaker 2: forgiven for thinking that both sides yesterday were as bad
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Speaker 2: as each other.
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Speaker 9: Our city in Kaos, the scenes turned ugly as parts
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Speaker 9: of the demonstration descended into chaos. Outside state parliament, officers
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Speaker 9: were targeted and as protesters broke police containment lines, the
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Speaker 9: floodgates opened.
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Speaker 2: That's the commercial newss but not what you heard the
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Speaker 2: police chief say. March for Australia well behaved, took construction
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Speaker 2: and the hard radical left with the projectiles. Now in
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Speaker 2: push today by the media of the Victorian, Premiere repeated
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Speaker 2: her fascical claim, But Melbourne is safe.
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Speaker 4: It should not be repeated, but I will repeat that. Yes,
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Speaker 4: Melbourne's CBD is safe.
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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, lady, no one believes that. As
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Speaker 2: I said, I live in the city.
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Speaker 3: You don't.
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Speaker 2: You live two and a half hours away in the country.
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Speaker 2: I live in the city and the city is not safe.
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Speaker 2: Just look at this most recent stabbing and a warning
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Speaker 2: footage of course is disturbing. It's a stabbing we only
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Speaker 2: know about because footage was leaked online, not because of
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Speaker 2: any official information from the government or the police. This
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Speaker 2: was broad daylight in Melbourne. It was unprovoked, half past
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Speaker 2: seven in the morning, a weekday morning.
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Speaker 3: But it's safe, says the Premiere.
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Speaker 2: So safe that in overall terms, criminal incidents are up
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Speaker 2: eighteen percent during this year. This is a twenty year record.
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Speaker 2: So say the car thefts are up forty two percent,
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Speaker 2: up twenty seven percent. And in addition to all of that,
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Speaker 2: there's over three hundred thousand unsolved crimes on the books
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Speaker 2: in Victoria. But again the Premier says Melbourne's safe to work.
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Speaker 4: For hospitality experiences, for retail experiences, for catching up with
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Speaker 4: family and friends. The city is a safe place to
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Speaker 4: continue to do those activities.
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Speaker 3: So not the only clown.
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Speaker 2: Melbourne's Lord Manic Rees says Melbourne safe as well.
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Speaker 7: Well, look, Melbourne is a safe city.
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Speaker 2: I like your nick which are lying through your teeth.
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Speaker 2: No one believes you, nor does someone like this heckler
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Speaker 2: have a listen.
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Speaker 10: Please help the please one belief full on that corner
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Speaker 10: all the time.
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Speaker 7: Just scary going in and.
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Speaker 3: It's scary coming out to one police all the time.
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Speaker 7: So beyond that, it's very dangerous for us.
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Speaker 2: Because I wrote my herald On column yesterday, someone during
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Speaker 2: the week called her just into.
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Speaker 3: Andrews, and they're right.
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Speaker 2: She's down Andrews in a skirt and just like him,
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Speaker 2: she is responsible for the broken state of Victoria. I'll
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Speaker 2: say it again. If a premier had any decency tonight,
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Speaker 2: she would just resign. All right, let's go to camp
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Speaker 2: now for the headlines. Sky News political reporter Trinty Macintosh.
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Speaker 11: Barnaby Joyce reveals he has spoken to One Nation leader
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Speaker 11: Pauline Hansen, but he won't confirm if he's looking to
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Speaker 11: defect from the Nationals.
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Speaker 5: I'll make my decision in my time. I'm now, as
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Speaker 5: I say, a free agent, and I'm not going to
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Speaker 5: start some salami slicing off all possible ideas.
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Speaker 12: It's a decision for Barnaby the balls in his court.
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Speaker 12: But as far as the National Party's concern, he's still
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Speaker 12: a member.
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Speaker 13: He's still welcome.
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Speaker 10: The internal turmoil in the coalition once again overshadowing the
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Speaker 10: opposition leader's attempt to get the focus back on policy,
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Speaker 10: promising today to take unspecified income tax cards to the
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Speaker 10: next election.
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Speaker 13: Some people are saying to me, why are you even
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Speaker 13: talking about this now? You should wait until much closer
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Speaker 13: to the election and then you can say something more
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Speaker 13: in more detail. I believe what I've outlined today is quite.
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Speaker 3: A bold approach.
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Speaker 13: We will have personal income tax cuts at the next election.
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Speaker 13: It's not an aspiration, it's actually a well we need
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Speaker 13: to see what the state of the budget is.
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Speaker 11: And the Prime Minister has touchdown in Washington preparing for
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Speaker 11: his talks with Donald Trump at the White House. Arriving
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Speaker 11: at a soggy Maryland's Joint Bass Andrews Anthony Alberinezi greeted
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Speaker 11: on the tarmac by former PM and Ambassador Kevin Rudd.
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Speaker 10: The talks did you just start? Two am Eastern daylight time?
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Speaker 10: Trudy McIntosh Sky News, Canberra.
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Speaker 2: There is a lot to get across Le's breea my
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Speaker 2: panel to do that now, one nation cheap of Staffrom
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Speaker 2: James Ashby and senior fellow at the men'sis Research Santa.
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Speaker 3: Nick cat As.
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Speaker 2: I said, a lot of issues and James, I'm putting
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Speaker 2: you on notice. You are in the hot seat tonight
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Speaker 2: on Barnaby and Joyce. But I want to pick up
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Speaker 2: something that's happened to say afternoon in Breaking News. That
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Speaker 2: was the Defense Department's statement. I'll give you what it read.
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Speaker 2: It said, the Australian Government has expressed its concerns to
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Speaker 2: the Chinese government following the unsafe and unprofessional interaction with
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Speaker 2: the People's Liberation Army Air Force aircraft. We're now told
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Speaker 2: that the incident reportedly happened yesterday a Chinese fighter jet
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Speaker 2: releasing flares in very close proximity to a RAF aircraft
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Speaker 2: over the South China seat. He was Defense Minister Richard
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Speaker 2: Miles addressing the issue a little earlier.
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Speaker 1: But on two occasions it released flares very close to
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Speaker 1: the P eight and it's really that the proximity at
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Speaker 1: which the flares were released which has given us cause
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Speaker 1: to deem this unsafe and unprofessional. We have made representations
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Speaker 1: to the Chinese embassy here in Canberra, and indeed our
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Speaker 1: embassy has also made representations in Beijing.
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Speaker 2: James, how often is this need to happen before we
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Speaker 2: take it with a seriousness?
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Speaker 3: We absolutely must.
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Speaker 8: Well, this is a government that thinks that China is
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Speaker 8: our friend. It's clearly not. And to put it into perspective,
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Speaker 8: a P eight is about the equivalent of a seven
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Speaker 8: three seven. They're made by Boeing, so they're just deliberately
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Speaker 8: made for the defense force, and I think we're one
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Speaker 8: of three countries that actually use these.
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Speaker 14: They're used for.
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Speaker 8: Maritime surveillance, so it's not as though they're a war aircraft. Yes,
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Speaker 8: they might be painted gray, but at the end of
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Speaker 8: the day, they're pretty docile aircraft and two fireflares, yes,
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Speaker 8: it puts our offense personnel at risk because one of
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Speaker 8: those could go into the engine of one of those
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Speaker 8: aircraft and it could mean the end of so many
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Speaker 8: of our brave men and women who get up there.
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Speaker 8: And as I say, we're not at war with China.
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Speaker 8: We're simply doing what we normally do in all parts
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Speaker 8: of the globe, and they've taken this hostile action against US,
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Speaker 8: and nick.
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Speaker 2: I reckon it's probably got a lot to do with
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Speaker 2: the IMP meeting tomorrow in Washington and as show of
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Speaker 2: strength here by China.
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Speaker 14: Well, if anything, this should sharpen minds in the White
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Speaker 14: House tomorrow because this is the number one strategic foreign issue.
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Speaker 14: Foreign policy issue for the United States is China. The
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Speaker 14: number one strategic foreign policy issue for US is China.
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Speaker 14: There's nothing more important than our relationship with the United States.
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Speaker 14: I think that the United States and Donald Trump will
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Speaker 14: be inclined to be very, very helpful. Hopefully we'll see
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Speaker 14: some confirmation of the orchestrale. But it's so important that
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Speaker 14: we keep recognizing that the US is our number one
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Speaker 14: ally and sure we can continue to trade up to
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Speaker 14: a point with China, but I think alb and Easy
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Speaker 14: really needs to redress, rebalance his foreign policy outlook towards
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Speaker 14: the United States. Tomorrow's his chance to do that.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the National part of news over the weekend,
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Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce announcing he will not contest his New South
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Speaker 2: Wales Lower House seat of New England for the Nationals.
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Speaker 3: He says, Leu.
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Speaker 2: O'Brien, this is another colleague in Central Queensland is also
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Speaker 2: threatening to quit over the issue of zero. I when
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Speaker 2: James Ashbitty you first confirmation today that Barnaby Joyce has
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Speaker 2: spoken to Paul led Hanson. I don't think that's breaking news.
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Speaker 2: Their good mates have known each other a long time.
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Speaker 2: There are reports in the Nine Papers though, that they
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Speaker 2: are in advanced talks for him to join One Nation.
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Speaker 2: He's pretty cagey about this. He's not retiring from politics.
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Speaker 2: He's just saying he will not run for the Nationals
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Speaker 2: in that seat. To me, that means he's keeping his
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Speaker 2: options open. But you've got the rails run here. You
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Speaker 2: know what's really going on? Well, what can you tell us?
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Speaker 8: Well, let's face it, the Coalition's policies are about as
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Speaker 8: popular as Prince Andrew these days, and this is why
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Speaker 8: so many people are abandoning the and National Party. They're
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Speaker 8: struggling to get members. I know that the biggest challenge
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Speaker 8: for a lot of those within the conservative ranks of
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Speaker 8: the Coalition have had their challenges both with Susan Lee
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Speaker 8: and with David Little Proud when it comes to the
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Speaker 8: net zero policy, and Barnaby I think, to his credit,
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Speaker 8: has had enough.
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Speaker 7: There's only so long you.
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Speaker 8: Can keep banging your head against a brick Wallpeter, you know,
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Speaker 8: But unlike they're all family who had the decency to
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Speaker 8: get rid of Prince Andrew because he was just toxic,
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Speaker 8: this coalition government will not get rid of their toxic policies.
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Speaker 8: And so what is a person like Barnaby, Joyce and
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Speaker 8: so many of the James you know the speculation might leave?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Is this brinkmanship though? I mean?
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Speaker 2: Is he making this statement to force the coalition to
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Speaker 2: do what they should and they all know that. They
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Speaker 2: tell you privately that they've all got to get out
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Speaker 2: of net zero, but they've yet to make that public move.
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Speaker 2: Is this about brickmanship to force their hand or do
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Speaker 2: you genuinely think he is open to leaving the party
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Speaker 2: and joining one Nation?
21:08
Speaker 8: Well, I don't think Barnaby has hollow threats. I think
21:12
Speaker 8: he's made it very clear now for some time. I
21:14
Speaker 8: know when he was leader of the National Party, because
21:16
Speaker 8: I've had to go with himself over the fact that
21:18
Speaker 8: the National Party did support net zero at a time
21:20
Speaker 8: when Scott Morrison flew over to suggested that he was.
21:26
Speaker 3: With this when he was leader, and yeah, correct.
21:29
Speaker 8: But you know what came from that was that, unfortunately
21:33
Speaker 8: he tried to lobby against net zero within the party
21:36
Speaker 8: room and the overwhelming number supported it because of David
21:40
Speaker 8: Little Proud. Now he has argued against that, like Matt Canavan,
21:43
Speaker 8: like you know, Colin Boyce and even Lewi Brian. I
21:47
Speaker 8: know that they've all had a lot to say within
21:50
Speaker 8: the party room, but you know, this is a party
21:53
Speaker 8: room that no longer wants him. Prior to the last election,
21:56
Speaker 8: I know it was not publicized very well, but he
21:59
Speaker 8: was asked to leave the National Party. He was asked
22:01
Speaker 8: by both leaders of the Coalition at that stage to leave.
22:06
Speaker 8: I don't know why he stayed on. I thought he
22:08
Speaker 8: you know, I thought they sunk the boot into him
22:11
Speaker 8: enough back then. I think he's tried to hold in
22:14
Speaker 8: there for the purpose of his people and for the
22:17
Speaker 8: purpose of getting policy right for this country. But we've
22:21
Speaker 8: seen the coalition ignore the wishes of the majority of
22:24
Speaker 8: conservative voters out there, and that is why they're coming
22:26
Speaker 8: to us. And on another point, if they so dearly
22:28
Speaker 8: wanted to keep him Peter, why are they knifing him today?
22:31
Speaker 8: Why are they knifing him? Why are they backgrounding journalists
22:35
Speaker 8: and suggesting that there's all this previous Who are between
22:39
Speaker 8: Paul and Hansen and him in the past.
22:43
Speaker 7: Oh, of course I do.
22:44
Speaker 8: But you can't say you want to keep him, well,
22:47
Speaker 8: you're knife and him behind the scenes.
22:51
Speaker 3: I'll bring people in at home on that.
22:52
Speaker 2: The reason why they would be doing that because they
22:54
Speaker 2: would be concerned, the coalition, particularly the National Party, that
22:58
Speaker 2: he will be a deadly weapon in regional and rural
23:01
Speaker 2: seats if he wants to join One Nation. Before I
23:04
Speaker 2: bring in Nikata, just quickly. You know, you've been around
23:07
Speaker 2: One Nation a very, very long time. We've often talked
23:10
Speaker 2: about what happens when Paul and Hanson eventually retires. I've
23:13
Speaker 2: asked you about Lee Hanson, her daughter. You say it's
23:16
Speaker 2: probably too early for her to assume the leadership, And anyway,
23:19
Speaker 2: it's it's not an hereditary job like it might be
23:23
Speaker 2: in the UK. But do you want to see him
23:26
Speaker 2: as the leader of one nation? Has he got what
23:28
Speaker 2: it takes to lead one nation?
23:33
Speaker 8: Look, there's so many premature I guess calls been made
23:40
Speaker 8: by the media.
23:41
Speaker 3: Straight answer, James Ashby, don't.
23:45
Speaker 8: I'll give you this straight answer. Look, I'll tell you this, Peter.
23:47
Speaker 8: I'd happily welcome him. I've said that to him point blank.
23:50
Speaker 8: I've said it to his wife as well. I'd encourage
23:52
Speaker 8: them both to join the party, and I would encourage
23:54
Speaker 8: anyone who is sick to death of the Coalition that
23:58
Speaker 8: is in a seat, don't retire, don't get out, come
24:02
Speaker 8: over to us. We can And I take you up
24:05
Speaker 8: on something you said, we can't win government. Neither can
24:07
Speaker 8: your mom. At this moment, Peter, we've got more chance
24:09
Speaker 8: of winning government than the Coalition. You know, it's unlikely
24:15
Speaker 8: they can win government for the next three terms. I
24:17
Speaker 8: think One Nation has a damn good chance. And now
24:20
Speaker 8: you know, if Barnaby does make that decision to come across,
24:23
Speaker 8: we'll have somebody with the experience as deputy Prime Minister
24:26
Speaker 8: in the past that can project and certainly take us,
24:30
Speaker 8: catapult us down in that direction of taking government in
24:33
Speaker 8: the future.
24:35
Speaker 2: All right, Nikata, I think too many people on the
24:37
Speaker 2: center right side of politics have drunk the reform Nigel
24:40
Speaker 2: Farage kool aid, because the big difference between Australia and
24:44
Speaker 2: the UK's you know well is they've got first past
24:47
Speaker 2: the post, which could put one nation you in with
24:51
Speaker 2: a chance up against the National Party.
24:53
Speaker 3: We don't have that here.
24:54
Speaker 2: We have preferences, and if the Right starts to splinter,
24:58
Speaker 2: all that's going to do is in labor for yet
25:02
Speaker 2: more time in office.
25:05
Speaker 14: Yeah, the best option for this country is that the
25:08
Speaker 14: Liberal Party finds a firm policy on immigration and net
25:14
Speaker 14: zero that will satisfy both sides of the party and
25:17
Speaker 14: they then enter into a coalition with the Nationals and
25:20
Speaker 14: they fight as hard as they can to win the
25:23
Speaker 14: next election. Obviously that's the best solution. But if they
25:27
Speaker 14: can't come to that position, if they can't accommodate both
25:30
Speaker 14: sides of the party, then I fear that what we've
25:32
Speaker 14: seen with Barnaby Joyce is just a foretaste of what
25:35
Speaker 14: we're going to see for the next few years. This
25:37
Speaker 14: is the realignment of fracturing of the center right because
25:40
Speaker 14: there are so many voters out there who feel unserved
25:43
Speaker 14: by the two major parties, particularly in seaks like Barnaby's
25:46
Speaker 14: in New England where they have a heavy problem with
25:49
Speaker 14: renewable energy. Plus all the alb and Easy government is
25:53
Speaker 14: doing with the environment which will impact farmers. So there
25:57
Speaker 14: is red hot anger in those districts and I think
26:00
Speaker 14: Barnaby Joyce is reacting to that. And unless the Coalition
26:03
Speaker 14: can embrace that side of Australia, the big vast part
26:08
Speaker 14: of Australia, which is not in the eastern suburbs of
26:10
Speaker 14: Sydney or the eastern suburbs of Melbourne, then this is
26:13
Speaker 14: going to occur. So it's just a reminder they've got
26:15
Speaker 14: to get their act together.
26:18
Speaker 2: So Nick, just just on that point. Susan Lead's out
26:20
Speaker 2: there today is saying, you know, we've got to have
26:22
Speaker 2: all that. We will have all of these policies. You're
26:24
Speaker 2: announcing sort of an economic and tax strategy today with
26:29
Speaker 2: the party. We are the voters waiting for an announcement
26:32
Speaker 2: in relation to net zero. We know they won't back
26:35
Speaker 2: the twenty thirty five targets. I think if you come
26:38
Speaker 2: back twenty thirty five, you certainly come't back twenty forty
26:40
Speaker 2: and twenty fifty. Everyone you and I know tells you
26:44
Speaker 2: privately they think that this has got to go. They've
26:47
Speaker 2: got a jettison net zero by twenty fifty. If they don't, though,
26:53
Speaker 2: what happens to the coalition? Nick, Because it won't just
26:56
Speaker 2: be Barnaby who walks out in the door.
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Speaker 14: No, it wurn't. I think there will be a major
27:02
Speaker 14: realignment on the right of politics. There will be people
27:05
Speaker 14: leaving both major parties and going who knows where. One
27:09
Speaker 14: nation is doing very well at the moment. But you know,
27:11
Speaker 14: with respect to James, not because they put any great
27:14
Speaker 14: credible policies forward in the last three years, but just
27:17
Speaker 14: because they are not the Liberal or the National Party.
27:20
Speaker 14: So that's exactly what I think. That's true, James. I
27:23
Speaker 14: think people are people send to the membership going to
27:26
Speaker 14: one nation if you're wasting a stamp, listen. People are
27:33
Speaker 14: looking for any home that is that is conservative and
27:37
Speaker 14: with a strong leader like Pauline Hanson, who knows what
27:40
Speaker 14: she's talking about, she's consistent. That's what they're looking for.
27:44
Speaker 14: But they need to find that within the within the
27:48
Speaker 14: within the within the Liberal and National parties. So it's
27:50
Speaker 14: up to the leaders of both those parties to lift
27:52
Speaker 14: their game.
27:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you on that point. I've said
27:57
Speaker 2: this many times. The clarity of her message, the simplicity,
28:01
Speaker 2: the consistency that cuts through is what in this modern
28:06
Speaker 2: age of the politician who runs out the lines written
28:09
Speaker 2: by their staff is what people are desperate for. That's
28:12
Speaker 2: why they're attracted to Farage, That's why people have fallen
28:16
Speaker 2: in behind Trump, and he's got an audience all around
28:18
Speaker 2: the world. And I guess this is the challenge for
28:21
Speaker 2: the coalition. I mean, they could see off paul and
28:24
Speaker 2: Hanson when Abbott was there with clear lines and dinner
28:26
Speaker 2: with Howard, when Howard got his head around Pauline after
28:30
Speaker 2: she left the party. This is the challenge for the
28:33
Speaker 2: coalition because right now you've got no idea, you know,
28:36
Speaker 2: no idea what they stand for, and they've got no
28:38
Speaker 2: policies out there to color in the edges either. James,
28:42
Speaker 2: I've got to ask you about this fight that I'm
28:44
Speaker 2: watching go on about the Defense honors rulings. So this
28:50
Speaker 2: will be the ban on any consideration of a Defense honor,
28:56
Speaker 2: a VC honor, a meritorious class, any sort of recognition
29:01
Speaker 2: of defense service and if the consideration isn't within twenty
29:06
Speaker 2: years of the act of valor, then it will be scrapped.
29:09
Speaker 2: You won't be able to have any opportunity to go back,
29:12
Speaker 2: even if there's new information that comes to like, do
29:15
Speaker 2: things here for me? What's the problem they're trying to fix.
29:19
Speaker 2: I can't see what that is. And two we always
29:24
Speaker 2: say lest we forget, but labour now saying well, yeah,
29:28
Speaker 2: after twenty years you must forget. We will forget and
29:31
Speaker 2: will not give them another go to have the valor recognized.
29:35
Speaker 3: Do you think this is going to get up.
29:39
Speaker 8: That's a really good point you make. Look for my
29:42
Speaker 8: experience with defense people, they're very humble. They're not looking
29:45
Speaker 8: for medals when they sign up. But it's often after
29:48
Speaker 8: they've retired from the force, or whether that be just
29:53
Speaker 8: they're out or they're retired through injury. They don't really
29:55
Speaker 8: talk about their time until many years later, and often
30:00
Speaker 8: it's family or friends who know them over time that
30:05
Speaker 8: you really get into the depths of the work that
30:08
Speaker 8: they did do in deployment and especially in hotbed zones.
30:12
Speaker 8: They're the things that you and I take for granted.
30:14
Speaker 8: We look, I don't want to ever put a use
30:18
Speaker 8: by data on this or a period where we just
30:22
Speaker 8: can't recognize people in the future. Often history has a
30:25
Speaker 8: way of coming out over time, and I think some
30:28
Speaker 8: of those people should be rewarded. As I say, they're
30:30
Speaker 8: very humble. They don't go around saying I did this,
30:32
Speaker 8: I did that. It's only over time that people reveal
30:36
Speaker 8: the true efforts that people went to to save lives
30:40
Speaker 8: in this country and saved the lives of many in
30:42
Speaker 8: other countries as well.
30:46
Speaker 2: Let's go just quickly, Nick aec returns Electoral Commission really
30:50
Speaker 2: started today. This is about donations made during the May
30:53
Speaker 2: federal election. Now I would say it's interesting, but it's
30:57
Speaker 2: not surprising. Disclosures from Climate two hundred confirmation today nearly
31:02
Speaker 2: eleven million dollars worth of donations during the campaign. Alex
31:07
Speaker 2: Dyson who tried to unseat Danteen in the Victorian set
31:11
Speaker 2: of one, and he received over two million dollars. Monique Ryan,
31:15
Speaker 2: they're in the seat of Couyong one point nine million,
31:18
Speaker 2: a leg respender Sophi Scamps one point seven million.
31:22
Speaker 3: Both Any surprises here.
31:25
Speaker 14: Well, I just think that this Climate two hundred injection
31:28
Speaker 14: of money and other money from the renewable energy industry
31:32
Speaker 14: has just inflated the cost of electioneering here out of control.
31:37
Speaker 14: Luckily there are now going to be caps on this
31:39
Speaker 14: for the next election. But just think of it, Peter,
31:41
Speaker 14: two million dollars plus, because presuming the other people put
31:44
Speaker 14: in to fight a campaign in one and you know,
31:48
Speaker 14: three elections ago, you would have thought two hundred thousand
31:50
Speaker 14: was a pretty generous sum of money for a campaign
31:53
Speaker 14: like this. And this is all this money that's coming
31:56
Speaker 14: in from the TiAl side of politics they have. They
32:00
Speaker 14: are basically buying elections, buying candidates, buying places in parliament
32:05
Speaker 14: by just spending huge amounts of money. And of course
32:08
Speaker 14: that's only what you see on the surface. There's a
32:11
Speaker 14: lot more being spent behind the scenes which we don't
32:14
Speaker 14: get to see. So I think the cap is a
32:16
Speaker 14: great idea, but I think the arrival of this American
32:19
Speaker 14: style moneyed politics into America is a very very bad development.
32:26
Speaker 3: Industralia.
32:27
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, Nikata, Thank you, James Ashby, you did very well,
32:31
Speaker 2: very well you and iisen straight with me tonight, Thank
32:33
Speaker 2: you very much.
32:33
Speaker 3: Mate.
32:34
Speaker 2: All right, after the break, left wing protesters attack police
32:37
Speaker 2: with rocks and glass, but the cinerel and you've heard her.
32:40
Speaker 3: Melbourne's safe, she says.
32:41
Speaker 2: Victorian Opposition leader Brad Batton joins me after the break. Plus,
32:45
Speaker 2: a big test for the PM is in the US.
32:47
Speaker 2: He's got the Oval Office showdown tomorrow. I'll speak to
32:52
Speaker 2: a professor of US politics coming out. How's it said
33:00
Speaker 2: to welcome back to the Oval Office Showdown. We'll get
33:02
Speaker 2: to that with a political expert in a moment. And
33:05
Speaker 2: the multimillion dollar legacy for Australia's agricultural future from mining
33:10
Speaker 2: magnet Gena Reinhart eventually opened on the weekend.
33:13
Speaker 3: We had cameras out. I'll bring you the.
33:15
Speaker 2: Latest there, but first let's go to those shocking scenes
33:18
Speaker 2: out of Melbourne on the weekend.
33:19
Speaker 3: We're so called andy.
33:20
Speaker 2: Erasers and protesters clashed with police.
33:24
Speaker 15: Weekly protests disrupting the streets of Melbourne over the weekend.
33:29
Speaker 15: Violence this time aimed at authorities.
33:32
Speaker 6: This is what was finn in police today and I
33:34
Speaker 6: think Melbourne has had a gutfull.
33:36
Speaker 15: Two police officers were taken to hospital after being hit
33:39
Speaker 15: by glass bottle. A female sergant received a serious hand
33:43
Speaker 15: injury and a male scenior constable suffered a serious laceration
33:47
Speaker 15: to his leg.
33:48
Speaker 6: The people that came to pick the fight were police.
33:51
Speaker 12: We go to work safe for fatalities all the time
33:53
Speaker 12: in our job, where people die in their workplaces. We
33:57
Speaker 12: don't like going to them when there are own members.
34:00
Speaker 12: We've had a bad run of this of late when
34:02
Speaker 12: we're doing our job, when we're trying to lower crime
34:04
Speaker 12: and keep vulnerable people safe. It shouldn't happen when we're
34:07
Speaker 12: at protests or demonstration. We shouldn't be subjected to that
34:10
Speaker 12: level of risk.
34:13
Speaker 2: Joing me now, Victorian Opposition leader Brad Baton, Brad, thank
34:16
Speaker 2: you for your time. I made this point. At the
34:19
Speaker 2: top of the show, the premier says Melbourne is safe.
34:24
Speaker 3: I made the points.
34:24
Speaker 2: She doesn't live in Melbourne, she lives two and a
34:26
Speaker 2: half hours away. Do you think Melbourne is safe?
34:32
Speaker 16: I don't think people in the community need to know
34:34
Speaker 16: what politicians think. The reality at the moment in Victoria
34:37
Speaker 16: is what we are seeing on the streets with those protests,
34:40
Speaker 16: where coppers are getting injured just going to work, where
34:44
Speaker 16: innocent people are being stabbed on their way to work
34:46
Speaker 16: in the morning. Kids are getting murdered on the street
34:49
Speaker 16: on the way to a basketball game. That says it all, Peter.
34:52
Speaker 16: It's genuinely not a safe place at the moment. There
34:55
Speaker 16: are lots of things that can be fixed and areas
34:57
Speaker 16: we can address to fix that as quick as possible.
35:01
Speaker 2: Why don't we have to put up with these radical
35:03
Speaker 2: protest groups? Because we really yesterday got the first bit
35:07
Speaker 2: of honesty directly from the police. They made it clear
35:10
Speaker 2: it wasn't the everyday Australians waving their flags and speaking
35:14
Speaker 2: out against high rates of migration. It was the Antifa
35:19
Speaker 2: types that the professional hard left activist crowd who came
35:23
Speaker 2: to the protest ready for a fight. Now, why do
35:28
Speaker 2: we have to put up with this in Victoria every
35:30
Speaker 2: single weekend. It's not a feature of Brisbane or Sydney
35:34
Speaker 2: or Perth or Adelaide.
35:35
Speaker 3: Why Melbourne?
35:39
Speaker 7: There is a very simple answer for that, Peter.
35:41
Speaker 16: We have to put up with a far left protest
35:43
Speaker 16: for one reason because the government have failed to put
35:46
Speaker 16: in place the policies to stop it, and they won't.
35:48
Speaker 7: Speak against it. They're the first out in the front
35:51
Speaker 7: to try and bag other groups. But the reality at.
35:53
Speaker 16: The moment is as a far left group that have
35:56
Speaker 16: continuously got away with their protests and taking over the
35:58
Speaker 16: city and the government won't bring in the permit system
36:01
Speaker 16: to ensure that we can protect the community and the
36:04
Speaker 16: businesses that have to close when this happens, and allow
36:06
Speaker 16: the families to come in who just want a day
36:08
Speaker 16: in Melbourne. They're the priorities we must put in place
36:11
Speaker 16: and bring back on our move on laws. The toughest
36:14
Speaker 16: move on laws in Australia should be here because the
36:16
Speaker 16: biggest issue with protests it's causing the biggest lot of
36:19
Speaker 16: crime is right where we stand in Melbourne.
36:23
Speaker 2: Okay, you've worn the uniform before. In practical terms, if
36:27
Speaker 2: you had your protest permits, if you had your move
36:30
Speaker 2: on laws, what would that have looked like in relation
36:34
Speaker 2: to yesterday?
36:37
Speaker 16: In relation to yesterday, if there was groups coming in
36:40
Speaker 16: specifically for violence, to block streets or to create chaos,
36:44
Speaker 16: then they're the groups that wouldn't get their permit because
36:47
Speaker 16: that's not about free speech, that's about violence.
36:49
Speaker 7: But groups that are coming in to have a say,
36:52
Speaker 7: even if I.
36:52
Speaker 16: Don't agree with it, they should be getting a permit
36:55
Speaker 16: to ensure.
36:55
Speaker 7: That they're going to walk through the city or go
36:57
Speaker 7: to a place it's a safe location of block.
37:00
Speaker 16: Business is going about their everyday life of trading and
37:03
Speaker 16: trying to create jobs for the next generation. And more importantly,
37:06
Speaker 16: it's going to create a safe environment so parents can
37:09
Speaker 16: come in here with their kids and enjoy a day
37:11
Speaker 16: out without the fear of what they saw yesterday. And
37:14
Speaker 16: most importantly, the police would know what resources they need,
37:17
Speaker 16: where and when, and that way you wouldn't have the
37:20
Speaker 16: violence where two officers have been injured just going to work.
37:25
Speaker 2: Surely, if someone turns up with a balaclava on their
37:28
Speaker 2: face at a rally, the police are within their rights
37:32
Speaker 2: to grab them throw them in the back of the
37:34
Speaker 2: divv van because anyone protesting with their face covered is
37:38
Speaker 2: there for another purpose.
37:41
Speaker 7: That's one hundred percent.
37:42
Speaker 16: If you're coming in to cover your face, not only
37:44
Speaker 16: are you a coward, but we should have the place,
37:46
Speaker 16: the legislation.
37:47
Speaker 7: In place that the government.
37:48
Speaker 16: Let's not forget justinto Allan promised this over twelve months
37:52
Speaker 16: ago where she said I'm going to get tough on
37:54
Speaker 16: protests and I'm going to ban face coverings. It's over
37:57
Speaker 16: four hundred days later and it still hasn't happened.
38:00
Speaker 7: Now, that was.
38:00
Speaker 16: When it was against the Jewish community to try and.
38:03
Speaker 7: Send a strong message. Well, I call on the government.
38:06
Speaker 16: Now, let's get those laws through as fast as possible.
38:08
Speaker 16: Back our move on laws and have the permit system
38:11
Speaker 16: so these cowards can't come in here and tack police
38:14
Speaker 16: in gang mentality and create absolute havoc on the streets
38:17
Speaker 16: in Victoria.
38:20
Speaker 2: Brad, what about that woman who was stabbed? Was half
38:23
Speaker 2: past seven in the morning, as I said before, she
38:25
Speaker 2: was on her way to work. I think it was
38:26
Speaker 2: a Tuesday morning, completely unprovoked. She had a lung punctured,
38:31
Speaker 2: She was in some mysterious strife afterwards. We only know
38:35
Speaker 2: about that because that CCTV footage about two weeks later
38:40
Speaker 2: was made public, went viral, and then the police and
38:43
Speaker 2: then the Premier and indeed the Lord Mayor had to
38:47
Speaker 2: address what had happened. They'd been telling us for two
38:50
Speaker 2: weeks over the Masheti attacks and other things, the carjacking
38:53
Speaker 2: in Burke Street that the city was safe, but it
38:55
Speaker 2: wasn't safe if someone was stabbed on their way to work.
39:00
Speaker 2: Why the secrecy, why the lies? Why is the government
39:03
Speaker 2: not being straight with us?
39:06
Speaker 16: That's up to the government to answer now, why they're
39:08
Speaker 16: not answering questions or what has been hidden when it
39:11
Speaker 16: comes to violent crime here in Victoria.
39:13
Speaker 7: We see it each and every day.
39:14
Speaker 16: You actually can't hide crime anymore because there's not any
39:16
Speaker 16: cameras everywhere, but everybody's got a mobile phone. We've seen
39:20
Speaker 16: it in Fountain Gate where kids have attacked another kid
39:22
Speaker 16: with a machete. Just recently we saw it outside Luna Park,
39:25
Speaker 16: a machete attack again. We saw the tragic outcome out
39:28
Speaker 16: in Cobblebank where two kids were killed, and now we've
39:31
Speaker 16: seen us stabbing in Melbourne on the streets of just
39:34
Speaker 16: someone going to work first thing in the morning. The
39:36
Speaker 16: government can't hide this, so rather than hide it, fix it.
39:40
Speaker 16: And the best way to fix it is to put
39:41
Speaker 16: the laws in place. So we've got sentencing in line
39:43
Speaker 16: with community expectations, break bail, face jail. Because many of
39:47
Speaker 16: these offenders are getting out after committing violent offenses. We
39:51
Speaker 16: will make sure that doesn't happen and bring in Jack's
39:53
Speaker 16: Law to get the knives off the street. Don't wait
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Speaker 16: and hope that the crooks wi drop them off at
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Speaker 16: the police station. Give the police the power and the
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Speaker 16: ones so they can go out and take the knives
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Speaker 16: off the crooks at the locations to keep the community
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Speaker 16: safe and lock them up if they want to carry
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Speaker 16: around knives in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: You know they're calling her just sin to Andrews. You
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Speaker 2: know that she's Dan Andrews in a skirt and certainly
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Speaker 2: feels like that for Victorians. Isn't it time now, given
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Speaker 2: where we are with crime in the state and the
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Speaker 2: budget and all the other calamities, isn't it time for
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Speaker 2: Justin to Alan to resign.
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Speaker 7: Look, I'm not going to call and just Into Alan
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Speaker 7: to resign. She's doing a terrible job. What I need
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Speaker 7: more importantly is.
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Speaker 16: The Victorian community to know what we will do, because
40:38
Speaker 16: on November twenty eighth next year, they're going to have
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Speaker 16: a very clear choice just Into Alan, who's got her
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Speaker 16: head in the sand and thinks we don't have crime
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Speaker 16: happening across the state, or myself who will go out
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Speaker 16: there and fight this crime and return the streets to
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Speaker 16: those people who want to come in and enjoy our city,
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Speaker 16: or a government at the moment with just Into Allen
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Speaker 16: and Labor who are letting a budget go out to
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Speaker 16: the stage, we're focusing on up with nearly twenty nine
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Speaker 16: million dollars an hour in interest.
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Speaker 7: I want to make sure we can have.
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Speaker 16: Less waste here in Victoria and put that money into
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Speaker 16: the services that Victorians thoroughly deserve. We need a fresh start,
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Speaker 16: we need lower taxes, we need less waste, and we
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Speaker 16: need lower crime.
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Speaker 7: I will deliver that. So let's not worry about what
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Speaker 7: she's going to do.
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Speaker 16: I'll worry about what I can do and give Victorians
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Speaker 16: a genuine alternative.
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Speaker 3: See what things are pretty grim? Tourism's down, Brad.
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Speaker 2: You might have anything much left in the budget should
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Speaker 2: you get to get there. Thank you for your time tonight, Ntelle.
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Speaker 2: What if the current and the new from New Zealand,
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Speaker 2: the new Chief Commissioner to Victoria Police can't sort this out,
41:37
Speaker 2: I'd put Wayne Cheeseman, the bloke you saw there in
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Speaker 2: the short sleeves.
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Speaker 3: I put him in the job. He absolutely means business.
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Speaker 3: Right after the break, all.
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Speaker 2: Lies on the Trump Oval Office tomorrow, our PM in
41:48
Speaker 2: the hot seat. Interestingly, Kevin Rudd's going to be in
41:50
Speaker 2: the room. That'll be interesting, won't it, Professor Tim Lynch.
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Speaker 3: After the break, Welcome back still.
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Speaker 2: Jina Ryan Hartz Legacy and latest Legacy for young leaders
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Speaker 2: in the agg sector officially opened yesterday and some very
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Speaker 2: pointed comments about just how tough it is to run
42:09
Speaker 2: a business in Australia at the moment. But first the US,
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Speaker 2: where Anthony Albertez is touchdown early today head of the
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Speaker 2: much anticipated meeting with Donald Trump tomorrow. Alongside all the
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Speaker 2: talk of a deal on critical minerals, there's going to
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Speaker 2: be I need to talk about in relation to ORCUST,
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Speaker 2: given it faces congressional review. Join me now to discuss
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Speaker 2: is and more. Professor of American Politics at the University
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Speaker 2: of Melbourne, Professor Tim Lynch. Tim, welcome to the program.
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Speaker 2: It's before they've got together, and they're going to sit
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Speaker 2: in the Oval office and of course an unpredictable president
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Speaker 2: who doesn't mind a camera being in there for the
42:47
Speaker 2: spray after the private conversation.
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Speaker 17: What can we expect, Well, I'd be very surprised if
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Speaker 17: you saw anything like the drama of a Zelenski meeting
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Speaker 17: or a Cyril opposer. You know, these these these inquisitions
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Speaker 17: that Trump had plotted and seem to have rehearsed. I
43:09
Speaker 17: think this is going to be much duller and I
43:11
Speaker 17: hope won't live in the memory for that. For that reason,
43:14
Speaker 17: both sides are fundamentally on the same page when it
43:19
Speaker 17: comes to things like the containment of China, Albow's student
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Speaker 17: politics over Palestine, I think probably won't intrude. All of
43:28
Speaker 17: America's key allies recognize Palestine, and I don't think it's
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Speaker 17: gonna he's going to single Australia out on that one.
43:37
Speaker 17: But Trump is nothing if unpredictable, and I would imagine
43:41
Speaker 17: that our Prime minister is taking this one more. This
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Speaker 17: meeting is bilateral, more seriously than he would most others
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Speaker 17: in his career.
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Speaker 2: So maybe it won't be as you say, it won't
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Speaker 2: be the fireworks of the earlier meetings, but it may
43:56
Speaker 2: not be that the warm meeting that Australian have come
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Speaker 2: to expect. Regardless of what political persuasion the various leaders
44:05
Speaker 2: might be on, it's generally been warm. But given you know,
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Speaker 2: Trump doesn't like what people have said about him in
44:11
Speaker 2: the past, and he doesn't forget He made that clear
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Speaker 2: at Charlie Kirk's funeral, I mean give Kevin Rudd will
44:17
Speaker 2: be there as well, has also had a lot to
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Speaker 2: say about the President. Maybe a frosty meeting, if not,
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Speaker 2: if not outspoken, but frostiness to the relationship might be evident.
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Speaker 17: Ah well, yes, possibly, I don't think I'm not being
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Speaker 17: an Australian. I hope when I say this that I
44:38
Speaker 17: just don't think any American president and this includes Donald Trump,
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Speaker 17: really thinks that much about Australia. I mean, I think
44:45
Speaker 17: there is a kind of warm sense of affection and kinship,
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Speaker 17: but not much in terms of detail and an obsession.
44:55
Speaker 17: And I think this is going to be illustrated of that.
44:58
Speaker 17: And again, all I would say, and this is not
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Speaker 17: a defense of Trump, but his grudge bearing is highly selective.
45:05
Speaker 17: He can demonize and go after opponents years after the fact,
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Speaker 17: and he can also forget slights and insults very quickly
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Speaker 17: if you look at his stop start relationship with Elon Musk,
45:16
Speaker 17: and I think that's particularly true of how he deals
45:19
Speaker 17: with foreign leaders. Putin is at one moment on the
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Speaker 17: outs and then on the inns, and then Zelenski follows
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Speaker 17: the similar pattern. I don't think I think Trump it's
45:29
Speaker 17: a word I think we should probably ban, but in
45:31
Speaker 17: this case it captures it. Trump is transactional when he
45:35
Speaker 17: comes to foreign policy. He's not playing a moral, value
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Speaker 17: driven game, and that's denied. I think Australia a bit
45:41
Speaker 17: of space because we pride ourselves on the blood and
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Speaker 17: treasure we've leaked into foreign battlefields in defense of our values.
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Speaker 17: Donald Trump doesn't care about that.
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Speaker 2: Well, the point you made about the US president and
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Speaker 2: how we might factor in the relationship was exactly what
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Speaker 2: Dave even said to me on Saturday night. And I
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Speaker 2: think all Australians overthink it. We elevate our importance. Yes,
46:06
Speaker 2: we've got a good real estate here for US bases
46:10
Speaker 2: and other things, but it's not like it really is.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly, I've got to get some comments from you
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Speaker 2: critical minerals China and obviously what's happened in Southternoon in
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Speaker 2: relation to our RAF jets and the Chinese military.
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Speaker 3: Is that related to tomorrow's meetings?
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Speaker 17: Do you think, well, it does. I mean Albanese is
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Speaker 17: not asked for my advice, but were he to, I
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Speaker 17: would say, and I imagine good people at DEFA had
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Speaker 17: have done the same, including Kevin Rudd. Australia's key value
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Speaker 17: to Donald Trump is the containment of China geographically, geostrategically,
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Speaker 17: politically in terms of ORCUS that needs to be the
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Speaker 17: central message without Australia On the American side, America's containment
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Speaker 17: of that of the People's Republic is going to be
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Speaker 17: much much harder. If he can our Prime Minister can
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Speaker 17: leave the meeting with that more firmly and trenched in
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Speaker 17: Trump's thinking, then I think would count it as a victory.
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Speaker 2: Right well over there we will watch and see Tim Lynch,
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Speaker 2: Professor Tim Lynch there from Melbourne UNI. Thank you, right,
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Speaker 2: quick break, Look, before we go to night, I want
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Speaker 2: to touch on a really powerful reminder over the weekend
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Speaker 2: of what hard work, risk and belief in Australia really represents.
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Speaker 3: This was the opening of.
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Speaker 2: Nicholas Hancock House at Marcus Oldham. This is a college
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Speaker 2: at and college just outside of Geelong and Victoria, and
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Speaker 2: it was a celebration of the massive steake we all
47:36
Speaker 2: have in the success of the egg sector. How along
47:39
Speaker 2: with mining and resources, it represents the spirit of enterprise
47:44
Speaker 2: and self reliance on which this country was built.
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Speaker 3: Now it's a terrific place.
47:47
Speaker 2: Jenna Reinhardt did not attend Marcus Oldham, but she's now
47:51
Speaker 2: one of its biggest supporters. She donated millions to build
47:54
Speaker 2: the new Nicholas Hancock House. It's a home, it's a
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Speaker 2: residential home for these agg leaders and it's attribute to
48:01
Speaker 2: her own Pining family It's a signal too that she's
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Speaker 2: investing in people who want to keep our regions strong
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Speaker 2: and Jesus under pressure, aren't they because look at the
48:08
Speaker 2: penalties that are going to hit agriculture with zero There
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Speaker 2: on the weekend was her CEO, Adam Giles, who on
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Speaker 2: behalf of Missus Reinhardt, told the students that what too
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Speaker 2: many politicians seem to have forgotten, this country was built
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Speaker 2: on people who took the risks, who worked hard, backed themselves,
48:27
Speaker 2: not by the bureaucrats.
48:29
Speaker 3: Or the activists.
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Speaker 2: I just want to keep on shutting down farming and.
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Speaker 18: Mining now, despite Victoria being the worst state in the
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Speaker 18: country to do business in to the point where we
48:40
Speaker 18: aren't encouraged to invest here, we are in strong alignment
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Speaker 18: with the values and the independent and practical nature of
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Speaker 18: Marcus Soldom. And that's why Missus Reinhart has donated to
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Speaker 18: the Marcus Soldom College to make possible the Nicholas Hancock
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Speaker 18: House as an investment in our nature's future to remain
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Speaker 18: an Agrica cultural superpower that can feed us and our
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Speaker 18: neighbors to the north.
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Speaker 2: It's a beautiful building or credit to mssus rhin harstch
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Speaker 2: She certainly puts her money where her mouth is when
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Speaker 2: it comes to supporting the leaders of the future and
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Speaker 2: agriculture that pays our way in the world. If only
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Speaker 2: others would do as much. That's it for me, see
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Speaker 2: you tomorrow night.
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Speaker 3: He's the Ball Report.