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Biblical Help for Spiritual Depression with Nate Pickowicz & Walk Worthy Men’s Conference with Dr. Mark Jobe · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond its cast
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  S1: and crew. Quick update on this Freedom Friday. Want to
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  S1: let you know we opened up the gates and we
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  S1: prayers in here. We had we had some notifications going, hey,
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  S1: you guys filled up all these slots and I didn't
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  S1: get a chance to get in there. And we don't
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  S1: want to create obstacles here. We do have to, um,
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  S1: wrap this thing up here today, but super Di, before
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  S1: she left for a little R&R today, she opened up
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  S1: some bandwidth and some more seats at the table. And
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  S1: here's why. We've got a third party kind of roster
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  S1: here for everyone that's going to be praying throughout. Share.
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  S1: And we're so thrilled that you are jumping in at
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  S1: days and one hour. That's nine hours of programming, which is,
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  S1: for us, astounding.
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  S3: Oh yeah, I mean, that's that's the quickest that it's
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  S1: Yeah. For sure. So it's a it's a joy man
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  S1: to see that kind of response. And then some of
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  S1: you weren't listening Monday and Tuesday because for some reason,
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  S1: I don't know why you aren't tuned in here for
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  S1: hours a day, every day. I don't get it. But
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  S1: you weren't tuned. I'm tongue in cheek, guys.
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  S2: Of course.
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  S1: Um, I want to make sure everybody gets that. Uh,
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  S1: but we opened it up the tolerances a little bit
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  S1: more to allow, um, more of you to get in.
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  S1: Even though we opened it up, we did fill up
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  S1: a few half hour slots already, but there's ample half
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  S1: hours left for you to join the prayer crew. And
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  S1: this is going to be really sweet. We're going to
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  S1: have two so far, two specific targeted prayers that we're
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  S1: going to be going after. And we're going to lay
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  S1: hold of the willingness of God. This is going to
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  S1: be great to taste and see that God is good.
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  S1: Some of you who've never been a part of a
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  S1: prayer movement where you've seen God move. And we're going
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  S1: to give you report backs and updates. And 30 minutes
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  S1: of prayer is going to be beautiful from you, because
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  S1: you're going to hear things from the Lord personally that
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  S1: are going to be so enriching. I think it's going
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  S1: to really put a fuel in your belly for more
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  S1: prayer down the road. So again, we've opened up some
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  S1: more seats. There's ample half hours for you to jump
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  S1: in and grab one right now. Just text the word
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  S1: crew to 805 five, five, 78, 98. Just the word
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  S1: crew to 805 five, 578, 98. And I just am
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  S1: blown away at the response of folks here.
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  S3: I'm just looking at it, and I don't have a count,
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  S3: but it looks like we moved from 10 to 15
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  S3: per half hour. And yeah, we do have some of
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  S3: those earlier in the week, half hours totally full, but
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  S3: there are still slots available. So if you missed out
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  S3: we yeah, we don't want anyone to feel like they're
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  S3: not being included. so please.
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  S1: Pray.
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  S3: Oh man, what a cool problem to have, right?
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  S1: One of the one of the greatest problems going. You
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  S1: want to choke up this old timer? Well, you're you're
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  S1: doing it. Boom! Crew. This is beautiful. No matter where
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  S1: you are in this world, man, you can be a
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  S1: part of the gospel changes everything. That's going to be
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  S1: our theme for week and a half. Little less than that.
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  S1: When we kick this thing off in earnest, it's going
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  S1: to be beautiful. By the way, I want to give
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  S1: you a heads up, and I'm going to I'm going
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  S1: to mention this. Oh, don't let me forget this, Sally.
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  S1: I want to mention this all day long. We're going
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  S1: to be having one hour per day of pre share
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  S1: starting on Monday. But during our show one of the
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  S1: four hours. So we're going to have one hour of
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  S1: pre share. And here's why we just I mean we've
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  S1: got a big stretch here. And some of you have
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  S1: the spiritual gifts of quick starts. Yeah. You got the
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  S1: spiritual gift of getting us out of the chute, and
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  S1: we're so grateful for you. Quick starters. And there's so
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  S1: many of you already that have already given online or
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  S1: called in and just grateful. Um, man, it's just beautiful.
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  S1: And look at these more, more folks are getting the
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  S1: crew link to jump in in prayer here. This is
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  S1: just amazing. Just a beautiful, beautiful thing. Well, Young Thunder
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  S1: said to me a couple of days ago, several days ago,
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  S1: he said, hey, I've I've got something the Lord has
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  S1: shown me in the word. I'd love to be able
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  S1: to pour my heart out about it. I'm like, absolutely
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  S1: young Thunder. Are you kidding me? So he's been prepping
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  S1: for it, and, uh, we're going to be unleashing that here.
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  S1: You buckled up. Ready to go yourself, young Thunder?
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  S2: Yeah. Let's do it.
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  S1: All right, man.
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  S5: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew.
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  S2: Talking about different types of prayer that we can pray,
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  S2: praying for God to provide in our lives and show up.
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  S2: Show up in our lives. We've been talking about answered prayer,
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  S2: how God has answered prayers. You know, as latest as
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  S2: this week. But before we get into any of those
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  S2: types of prayer in our lives, we need to focus
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  S2: on one very specific type of prayer. It's Freedom Friday.
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  S2: Of course we're going to the gospel. There's a prayer
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  S2: that needs to be prayed for you before we can
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  S2: ever focus on any of these other ones. What is
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  S2: that prayer? Has that prayer been prayed for you? We're
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  S2: going to talk about that three minutes.
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  S5: Helping you take the next step in your walk with Jesus.
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  S6: God longs for us today to seek him and ask
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  S6: him to move in ways that we never could.
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  S5: You're listening to Carl and crew.
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  S6: It's a pretty.
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  S1: Cool thing when you open up the Word of God
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  S1: and you see something and you go, oh my goodness.
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  S1: Young Thunder had an oh my goodness moment. And boy,
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  S1: it's the goodness of God isn't it? My man.
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  S2: It is the goodness of God. He. He reveals to
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  S2: us new things. Things that can refresh our soul and
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  S2: give us new clarity on him each and every day,
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  S2: if we just come willing. You know, I was listening
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  S2: to a quick shout out for Doctor Ron Sowa's podcast
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  S2: here on Moody Radio. Uh, they they have a podcast
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  S2: called Quiet Time with Doctor Sauer, and I've been listening
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  S2: to it a lot, and they had an episode recently
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  S2: on prayer. And as we're talking this week about prayer,
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  S2: I thought it was really timely. So I was sitting
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  S2: and listening and they mentioned a had a quick conversation
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  S2: in there about a passage from the Book of Job.
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  S2: Job 42 eight where where job's friends had sinned against
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  S2: God and job. Because this whole book is about job
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  S2: experiencing a lot of pain, a lot of loss in
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  S2: his life, and his friend's conclusion about God was, well,
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  S2: this must be because you're a bad person. You you
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  S2: look great on the outside, but you have this. You
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  S2: must have this sin because God wouldn't have done this.
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  S1: Such great friends.
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  S2: I know good friends. Good friends. You must be really
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  S2: bad and we just don't know about it. Uh, but
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  S2: the truth is, is that this didn't happen to Joe
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  S2: because he was right or unrighteous. It happened because he
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  S2: was righteous and God had a different thing working in
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  S2: his life. And and so at the end of it,
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  S2: God talks with job and he talks with his friends.
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  S2: And he says to his friends, you've spoken to me,
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  S2: you've spoken about me incorrectly, and therefore they had sinned.
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  S2: Ali read job 42 eight.
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  S3: Now therefore, take seven bulls and seven rams, and go
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  S3: to my servant job, and offer up a burnt offering
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  S3: for yourselves. And my servant job shall pray for you.
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  S3: For I will accept his prayer not to deal with
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  S3: you according to your folly. For you have not spoken
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  S3: of me what is right as my servant job has.
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  S2: Now, when I first heard this passage, you know, not
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  S2: reading it, I'm just listening to it. My mind went
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  S2: to a place of. well, that doesn't it doesn't feel right.
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  S2: Why does job have to pray for his friends? Why
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  S2: can't they just pray and repent? And God hears it
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  S2: and takes it? Well, why is it that job has
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  S2: to do it in order for God to hear it?
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  S2: And and so I went to the passage and I
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  S2: took a look at it. And God showed me, in
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  S2: the midst of reading this, that this is actually a
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  S2: deeply biblical design that God had set up really, all
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  S2: throughout the Bible. You see, in the Old Testament, the
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  S2: purpose of priests was to be a mediator between God
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  S2: and man. When man sinned, there was a break in
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  S2: the connection between God and man. And God had set
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  S2: priests to come and accept sacrifices from the people, and
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  S2: then sacrifice them and pray to God fervently on behalf
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  S2: of the people for the forgiveness of their sins. And
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  S2: with that mediation, God would accept the sacrifice, and then
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  S2: they would be connected again. It brought forth the idea
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  S2: of atonement being at one with God. And so I
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  S2: looked at this passage in a different way after I
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  S2: saw that and I said, oh, you know what? This
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  S2: is just the the implication of what God does with
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  S2: the priests to his people, that that job was, in
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  S2: a sense, acting as a priest for his friends, accepting
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  S2: the sacrifice and praying to God on their behalf for
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  S2: the forgiveness of their sins. And then God showed me
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  S2: something else. He said, that's exactly what I'm doing for
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  S2: you right this minute. This is still a biblical idea
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  S2: that's lived out to this day, but it's not lived
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  S2: out with an imperfect human priest anymore. We don't have
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  S2: to go to a human priest to get our sins forgiven,
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  S2: to have them go to God on our behalf. We
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  S2: have a new reality in the priesthood of Jesus. Ali,
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  S2: can you read Hebrews 723 and 23 to 25? Actually,
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  S2: do you have that? Yeah.
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  S3: Let me just let me get one more verse for you.
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  S3: Give me a second.
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  S2: Thank you.
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  S3: This is in the English Standard version. Starts with the
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  S3: former priests were many in number because they were prevented
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  S3: by death from continuing in office. But he holds his
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  S3: priesthood permanently because he continues forever. Consequently, he is able
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  S3: to save to the uttermost those who draw near to
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  S3: God through him, since he always lives to make intercession
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  S3: for them.
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  S2: This is the new reality that we have in Christ Jesus.
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  S2: It says that he's able to save us to the uttermost.
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  S2: When you take that Greek word uttermost and translate it,
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  S2: it means one of two things. And I actually think
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  S2: it means both in this scenario, it either means that
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  S2: he's able to save us perfectly, or he's able to
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  S2: save us forever. So either in its completion or over time,
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  S2: and I think it's both. He's able to save us
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  S2: both to its fullest, and he's able to save us forever.
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  S2: Our salvation is guaranteed in him forever and ever because
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  S2: of his perfection. He is our new priest. And not
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  S2: only is he our new priest, he actually took the
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  S2: place of both sacrifice and priest. He came to earth
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  S2: to live the life that we couldn't live. And then
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  S2: he died as our sacrifice, the sacrifice, the perfect sacrifice
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  S2: to God for our sins. He took our sins to
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  S2: the cross and nailed them there, and they stayed dead.
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  S2: And now he lives forever as our priest. And I
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  S2: think this is so interesting. I had never thought about
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  S2: it before, but in verse 25 it says, those who
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  S2: he's able to save us to the uttermost, those who
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  S2: draw near to God through him, since he always lives
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  S2: to make intercession for them, he is in heaven right
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  S2: now praying on my behalf, intercession to God for me,
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  S2: for Ali, for Carl. Because I'm still a sinner. Even
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  S2: though I am saved through grace in his sacrifice, I
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  S2: still sin. But my sins are not counted against me
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  S2: because Jesus is right there making intercession for me in
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  S2: this very moment. I don't have to be afraid because
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  S2: he's praying for me right now. I have that assurance.
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  S2: He's praying for each of us. I know where Carl
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  S2: is with Jesus. I know where Ali is with Jesus.
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  S2: Is Jesus praying that prayer for you right now? That's
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  S2: a question we have to ask ourselves because we can't
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  S2: come to God on our own. Romans 323 says, all
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  S2: have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
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  S2: Me by myself in my sinful ways, have no ability
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  S2: to stand before God and make myself right with him
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  S2: in any type of way. No equivocation. I have no
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  S2: ability to do it, and none of us do. We
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  S2: can't just go to God on our own, by our
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  S2: own merit, by our own sacrifice, and say, God, I'm
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  S2: good with you now. I can't make it right with him.
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  S1: You have the power of this young thunder, which is powerhouse. Wow.
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  S1: Great insight is that there's people listening right now that
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  S1: the Spirit of God is so working in their life,
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  S1: they will become an answer to the prayer of Jesus. Yes,
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  S1: they will become that answer 100%.
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  S2: It is so.
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  S1: Right. They will repent. Yes, they will believe in Jesus.
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  S1: And that's because Jesus is praying for their soul and salvation.
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  S2: And and just like we are job's friends in this scenario,
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  S2: we are the friends who were unrighteous and unable to
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  S2: come to God with our own, our own ability to
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  S2: receive his forgiveness. Job had to pray for his friends.
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  S2: He was the righteous one who made intercession. Jesus is
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  S2: job in this scenario. He is the righteous one that
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  S2: makes intercession on your behalf so you can be connected
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  S2: with the father. Hebrews 24 says, or actually Hebrews 25 says,
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  S2: those who draw near to God through him. John 14
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  S2: Jesus says, I'm the way, the truth, and the life.
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  S2: No one comes to the father except through me. If
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  S2: you want to be connected to God, if you want
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  S2: forgiveness and relationship with the father, you have to come
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  S2: through Jesus. And maybe you've been sitting here today and
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  S2: you're listening to Christian radio because you've either focused on
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  S2: your own merit, your own ability to get it done,
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  S2: your own ability to get it right with God. Or
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  S2: are you focused on maybe maybe you're sitting here because
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  S2: you focused on going to a priest? I've gone and
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  S2: I've talked to the priest and I've received he's told
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  S2: me what to do. He's told me to pray these
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  S2: prayers on how to make it right with God. No
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  S2: human priest nor our own actions can make us right
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  S2: with God.
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  S1: Yeah, and it's a priest or pastor or leader.
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  S2: No one can do it for you. Yeah, Jesus can
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  S2: do it for you. His sacrifice and his priesthood are perfect,
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  S2: and they continue forever. And how how do we receive it, Karl?
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  S1: Well, I mean, and here's what's really cool about what
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  S1: you're saying, because there's a lot of people that have
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  S1: responded to a earthly figure and the words that he
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  S1: or she said to say yes, but only response and
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  S1: being an answer to the prayer of Jesus will save
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  S1: you thoroughly and completely for eternity.
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  S2: Absolutely. That is the only way.
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  S1: Some of you want to be an answer to Jesus's
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  S1: prayer today, and you never even thought of it until
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  S1: this moment, because the Spirit of God has quickened your soul.
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  S1: Jesus has been praying for your salvation since you were
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  S1: born before, and today he's calling you to be an
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  S1: answer to his prayer. This isn't going to a priest
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  S1: or a pastor. This is going to the Holy One
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  S1: who stands in that high priestly role, the Savior of
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  S1: the world. You say, how do I do it? You
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  S1: repent and you surrender all that you are to Jesus Christ.
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  S1: And you say to him, you are my Savior. You
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  S1: are my authority. I am answering your prayer for me today.
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  S1: I turn over my life completely to you. It's a
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  S1: cry of the soul. It's so personal. You go to
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  S1: the great High priest Jesus today, right now, and you
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  S1: surrender all you are to him. If that's you right now,
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  S1: come to Jesus. Be an answer to his prayer. You
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  S1: might say, well, how does that work, exactly? Do you
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  S1: believe that Jesus is the Son of God? Do you
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  S1: believe now, quickened by the Spirit of God, that he
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  S1: died to make full remission of your sins? So you
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  S1: gotta see yourself as a sinner, but you come to
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  S1: Jesus and you say, I'm an answer to your prayer today.
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  S1: Today I repent, I turn, and I'm going to follow
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  S1: you all the days of my life. And if that's you,
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  S1: we want to help you in your first steps with
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  S1: Jesus today. If that's the cry of your soul before,
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  S1: you've never been an answer to the prayer of Jesus.
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  S1: You've responded to earthly words and earthly person, but you've
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  S1: never looked to heaven and said, Jesus, thank you for
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  S1: praying for me and today I surrender all that I
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  S1: am to you. And if that's you today, it's a
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  S1: cry of the soul, right, guys? This isn't some.
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  S2: No words, man.
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  S1: It's. It's no words. It's a cry of a soul
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  S1: that says, thank you for praying for me today. I
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  S1: surrender all that I am to Jesus. And if that's you,
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  S1: we want to help you in your brand new first steps.
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  S1: Being an answer to prayer to Jesus today by texting
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  S1: the word new. New to (800) 555-7898. We're going to do
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  S1: all we can to help you, and now is the
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  S1: first offering we can give you in you being an
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  S1: answer to Jesus's prayer today. God caught you at a
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  S1: moment when you realized, man, there is there's no other
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  S1: hope that I have in this world. But Jesus died,
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  S1: paid the price, spilled his blood To take full remission
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  S1: of your sins past, present, and future. And today you
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  S6: I think one of the slipperiest.
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  S1: Slopes that we find in the Christian world is, how
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  S1: do we handle depression? And there it runs the gamut
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  S1: all the way from get everyone on medication to medications,
• 20:25
  S1: no good to you name it. I mean, there's there's
• 20:29
  S1: a lot of opinions when it comes to depression. My
• 20:35
  S1: take on this thing is stay off meds if at
• 20:39
  S1: all possible, and do everything we can now. Often everything
• 20:43
  S1: we can is dealing with things like depression at a
• 20:48
  S1: very cellular level. We almost have a counseling approach to
• 20:53
  S1: depression that leverages nothing with regard to the Word of God.
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  S2: Yeah, you're absolutely right. I think, and like you said,
• 21:03
  S2: there's so many different ways of handling this that then
• 21:05
  S2: you get the kind of the other side of the
• 21:07
  S2: pendulum swing where someone goes and says that they're depressed,
• 21:11
  S2: and we throw a couple verses at them, and then
• 21:14
  S2: we walk away and, and, and so there are so
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  S2: many ways we can handle this incorrectly. Yeah.
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  S1: Yeah, it's a big challenge. It really is. So coming
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  S1: up here in a moment, we're going to be talking
• 21:28
  S1: about spiritual Depression. I don't know that I've ever had those.
• 21:34
  S1: I've heard those words. But I don't know that anyone's
• 21:37
  S1: ever tackled depression from a takeoff point of it's a
• 21:43
  S1: spiritual issue. I think most Christian counselors would say there's
• 21:47
  S1: a spiritual issue going on here, but when that's your default,
• 21:52
  S1: let's talk about spiritual depression. That's a game changer. Hang on.
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  S1: That's coming up.
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  S1: One of the great misses in Christianity today. Really being
• 22:09
  S1: a disciple of Christ is that we often we often
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  S1: demonize depression. We actually Pooh Pooh it and we think, ah,
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  S1: I mean, if God came to give us the abundant life,
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  S1: how dare I be depressed? Well, all you got to
• 22:26
  S1: do is read the Psalms and you realize great men
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  S1: and women of old have gone through seasons of real discouragement.
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  S1: But I think it's important for us to distinguish between
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  S1: depression that is commonly categorized in the world today and
• 22:42
  S1: how they treat it, versus the spiritual war and the
• 22:45
  S1: reality of what this guest has spiritual depression. That's his topic,
• 22:51
  S1: and we want to get after it. Nate Pinkowitz with
• 22:54
  S1: us right now. Nate, I am so grateful that you've
• 22:56
  S1: tackled this topic, spiritual depression. Delineate for us the difference
• 23:01
  S1: between what is diagnosed as everyday depression garden variety depression
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  S1: versus spiritual depression.
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  S7: Uh, it's a challenging question because I think there's a
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  S7: lot of confusion, a lot of different opinions about it.
• 23:14
  S7: I generally try to stay clear of the so-called medical
• 23:18
  S7: or clinical stuff, and I usually tell people if someone
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  S7: has a condition where there's something wrong with their brain,
• 23:24
  S7: with their body, with their physiology, then go talk to
• 23:27
  S7: a trusted doctor. But what I'm talking about specifically is
• 23:30
  S7: issues of the mind and of the heart. Anytime the
• 23:33
  S7: Bible deals with things like anxiety, fear, depression, worry, it
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  S7: deals with them on spiritual terms. And so, so much
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  S7: of this in the life of the believer is trying
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  S7: to get our heart and our mind and our faith
• 23:45
  S7: and our walk right with God and do the things
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  S7: that he is commanding us to do. Again, this is
• 23:50
  S7: not under the guise of having something wrong with you
• 23:53
  S7: physically or in your brain, but something in your life
• 23:56
  S7: and your mind and your heart. So that's really what
• 23:58
  S7: I want to get at, is, is how to battle
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  S7: those on those terms and how to give victory for
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  S7: the believer who's struggling in this area.
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  S1: You know, I think we've done a pretty good job
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  S1: as of late, highlighting the reality that depression, uh, can happen.
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  S1: In fact, I'm going to be this bold. I don't
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  S1: know that anyone who's a follower of Jesus can avoid
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  S1: seasons or bouts with spiritual depression. What do you say?
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  S7: Yeah, I think that's probably accurate. I know a few
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  S7: people who tell me they haven't, but most Christians that
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  S7: I know have gone through either seasons or bouts or
• 24:35
  S7: just personal struggles in this area. Sometimes it might be
• 24:38
  S7: a lack of assurance of faith. It could be overcoming
• 24:41
  S7: or overcome with worry, fear, anxiety, or just a lowness
• 24:45
  S7: of spirit. A lot of people struggle, and even a
• 24:47
  S7: lot of people in church history and even in the
• 24:49
  S7: Bible have struggled with this very thing. So it's a
• 24:52
  S7: very real experience for most believers.
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  S1: Yeah, you mentioned it and it's so true. We talk
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  S1: a lot about this here with Carl and crew in
• 25:00
  S1: the mornings, and we tackle it from a perspective of
• 25:04
  S1: the mind is the battlefield. And we know that we're
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  S1: to take thoughts captive and we're to be renewed, becoming
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  S1: worshipers of God by renewing our minds. So the mind
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  S1: is a battlefield. I think we underestimate Nate, how significant
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  S1: this is. What do you say?
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  S7: Yeah. There's an old adage that your mind affects your emotions,
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  S7: which affects your will. So what you think about what
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  S7: you focus your mind on the immaterial part of who
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  S7: you are, your whatever your mind is focused on is
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  S7: going to inform how you feel, and how you feel
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  S7: will dictate what you do. So there's a connection between
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  S7: your thinking and your believing and your feeling and your actions.
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  S7: And so if we don't learn to discipline and control
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  S7: our mind and have a presence of mind, to follow
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  S7: the Lord and obey him and do the things he's
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  S7: calling us to do, even in the way that we
• 25:54
  S7: respond to trials, if we don't learn how to do that,
• 25:57
  S7: we are going to struggle. And so, so much of this,
• 25:59
  S7: as you said, is a battle of the mind. And
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  S7: that's what I try to help people tackle.
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  S1: The only offensive spiritual weapon of war that we find
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  S1: in the Ephesians six passage on these, uh, implements of
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  S1: armor and battle is the Word of God. And it's,
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  S1: by the way, the rhema word of God, the spoken
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  S1: word of God, getting it off your lips. It's almost
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  S1: like a spiritual Self-talk kind of a thing. How much
• 26:27
  S1: do you drill down on in your new book, Overcoming
• 26:29
  S1: the Darkness Biblical Help for Spiritual Depression. How much do
• 26:34
  S1: you think? Wait it out versus just having good conversations
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  S1: and being in fellowship and giving your lives away, which
• 26:40
  S1: you prescribe, are some of the most important elements here.
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  S1: How central is the Word of God to getting victory
• 26:47
  S1: over spiritual depression?
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  S7: It's absolutely key. And you know, when you look at
• 26:52
  S7: the what I've written, so much of my book is
• 26:55
  S7: just trying to understand and apply Scripture. Scripture is there.
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  S7: I also have Scripture guides. You know, sometimes when you're
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  S7: in about a depression like that, when you're struggling, sometimes
• 27:06
  S7: you can't, you know, listen to a whole long talk
• 27:09
  S7: or a sermon or even a whole book, but you
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  S7: can grab a verse, you can grab a part of
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  S7: a verse sometimes. And it's the truth of God's Word
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  S7: that informs and changes us. You know, we live in
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  S7: a world that's just embedded with lies, and even we
• 27:22
  S7: lie to ourselves. We believe things that aren't true about
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  S7: who we are, who God is, and what our situation is.
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  S7: And so to reinforce truth and there is no greater,
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  S7: truer truth than the Word of God. And so we
• 27:34
  S7: need that to learn it, to read it, to know it,
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  S7: memorize it, to ponder it. It's so important to recovery. Absolutely.
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  S1: You know, I used to think depression was something that
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  S1: was characteristic of certain personalities until I hit about when
• 27:53
  S1: I got into a bout of spiritual depression. It created
• 27:57
  S1: in me way more empathy. Nate. It created way more
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  S1: empathy in my heart. And that's maybe one of the
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  S1: best takeaways for me. But when you're in spiritual depression,
• 28:08
  S1: it's a fog that is unusual and you don't even
• 28:12
  S1: know your way out. Have you experienced this yourself, Nate?
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  S1: And what was the first thing that you hung on
• 28:20
  S1: to that made some some path clarity before you.
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  S7: Yeah, I've struggled with various kinds of spiritual depression since
• 28:29
  S7: I was a child. I remember just being a really
• 28:31
  S7: anxious kid and struggling in those areas. And when I
• 28:34
  S7: became an adult, it just began to overtake me until
• 28:37
  S7: I became a Christian. And then once I became a Christian,
• 28:40
  S7: I started reading my Bible and realizing that that wasn't
• 28:42
  S7: God's desire for me, that he didn't want me to
• 28:45
  S7: be anxious or worried or fearful. So for me, I
• 28:48
  S7: just held on to the promises of God. I would
• 28:50
  S7: go to places like Matthew six where Jesus says, do
• 28:53
  S7: not be anxious for your life, things like that. When
• 28:56
  S7: he says, come to me, all you who are weary
• 28:58
  S7: and heavy laden, and I will give you rest. I
• 29:00
  S7: begin to go to God's Word and minister the truth
• 29:03
  S7: of God's Word to my own heart. And you know
• 29:06
  S7: the challenges to believe, to focus in, on, and believe
• 29:09
  S7: on what God is saying to you and not listening
• 29:12
  S7: to what yourself is saying to you. That's what David
• 29:15
  S7: does in Psalm 42. You know, he's asking himself, why
• 29:18
  S7: are you so downcast? And then he gives himself the answer.
• 29:21
  S7: Hope in God. I'll again praise him. So. So important
• 29:25
  S7: to to know the Word of God. And as you said,
• 29:28
  S7: to experience that. And when you have experienced that, to
• 29:31
  S7: be able to help other people and have empathy and
• 29:33
  S7: a heart for other people, it's so important.
• 29:35
  S1: I gotta believe there are tens of thousands right now
• 29:38
  S1: listening that are hanging on this word. It's hopeful just
• 29:41
  S1: to have it identified that, wow, you can get into
• 29:45
  S1: spiritual depression, but there is biblical help for it as well.
• 29:48
  S1: Nate Pickett's my guest right now. He's a pastor, unusual
• 29:52
  S1: pastor in that he got his chops in financial services.
• 29:56
  S1: God called him out of this. I love those kind
• 29:58
  S1: of stories. When we get back, we're going to get
• 30:01
  S1: into some specifics. This will prime the pump for some
• 30:05
  S1: of you to go grab this resource, this book. But
• 30:08
  S1: yet we want to give you hope today. Hang on
• 30:11
  S1: more with Nate straight ahead.
• 30:13
  S5: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.
• 30:17
  S5: You're listening to Carl and crew.
• 30:19
  S1: Nate Pinkowitz my guest right now. He's the pastor of
• 30:22
  S1: Harvest Bible Church in New Hampshire. And Nate, I'm thrilled
• 30:26
  S1: that you're tackling this topic, and I'm thrilled that you're
• 30:29
  S1: not you're not putting a big bucket. It's like biblical
• 30:32
  S1: help for depression. You've quantified it as spiritual depression. Explain
• 30:38
  S1: why you put in that word spiritual. And then we're
• 30:41
  S1: going to get to some anecdotes here.
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  S7: Yeah, I think the reason it's important to talk about
• 30:45
  S7: it as being a spiritual thing is because we're not
• 30:48
  S7: talking about something that's physically wrong with a person. There's
• 30:50
  S7: nothing wrong with their brain. You know, sometimes our physical
• 30:54
  S7: can affect our emotions in a way, and you need
• 30:57
  S7: some kind of help outside of that. And like I
• 30:59
  S7: tell people, go to a doctor if you think there's
• 31:01
  S7: something wrong with you physically. However, when you're talking about
• 31:04
  S7: the issues of the mind and of the heart, your faith,
• 31:07
  S7: your feelings, you know what's going on inside of you
• 31:10
  S7: on a spiritual level. Uh, that's something, you know, a
• 31:13
  S7: person can't deal with you on those terms. On medical terms.
• 31:16
  S7: You need the Lord. You need the Word of God
• 31:18
  S7: to minister to you? So that's what I'm hoping to do,
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  S7: is just take the Bible's remedies for these problems and
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  S7: try to apply it in the life of the believer,
• 31:26
  S7: so that all of us, as believers, can can access
• 31:29
  S7: the Word of God and have those helps for spiritual depression.
• 31:32
  S7: So something that's near and dear to my own heart,
• 31:34
  S7: and hopefully it's going to be helpful to a lot
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  S7: of people.
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  S1: Yeah, I believe it will. You know, you outlined causes
• 31:39
  S1: for spiritual depression as exhaustion, laziness, selfishness, fear, spiritual rebellion,
• 31:46
  S1: but you also mentioned spiritual forgetfulness. What do you mean
• 31:51
  S1: by that?
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  S7: That's an interesting one, because I think there are times,
• 31:54
  S7: especially as believers, when we know certain truths, you know,
• 31:58
  S7: we understand the gospel of our salvation. We understand that
• 32:02
  S7: Jesus died on the cross to pay for our sins,
• 32:05
  S7: that the penalty for our sins is gone. And yet
• 32:08
  S7: when we get into these bouts where we're struggling with
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  S7: depression or anxiety or fear or worry, and sometimes we forget,
• 32:15
  S7: we forget that God has already done the work. We
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  S7: forget that we belong to Christ and we're, as the
• 32:20
  S7: Bible said, seated with him in the heavenly places. We
• 32:23
  S7: have reason for hope. We tend to forget those things
• 32:26
  S7: and we have to remind ourselves, wait a second here.
• 32:29
  S7: I actually belong to the Lord and he loves me.
• 32:32
  S7: He has a plan for my life, for my future.
• 32:35
  S7: He wants something for me to be his child and
• 32:39
  S7: to grow. So I think to remember his promises. Remember
• 32:42
  S7: the work he's done. It's vitally important to pulling out
• 32:45
  S7: of this.
• 32:46
  S1: Okay, let's get really pragmatic, because the one significant bout
• 32:50
  S1: of spiritual depression that I had and I did it,
• 32:53
  S1: was it came on the heels of a deep, deep
• 32:56
  S1: wound of betrayal. And I felt like the world was
• 33:00
  S1: against me and I didn't. I couldn't even hear. I
• 33:03
  S1: heard the words, God is for you. But it almost
• 33:07
  S1: didn't cut through the fog of that opposition and depression. Pragmatically,
• 33:14
  S1: how do we take the truth of God's Word and
• 33:19
  S1: penetrate the darkness and the fog in a distorted thinking
• 33:24
  S1: to set us free?
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  S7: Yeah, I think the first thing anyone has to do
• 33:29
  S7: is go directly to the Lord. You know, even though,
• 33:32
  S7: you know, we're called to examine ourselves and to look
• 33:34
  S7: and ask questions and really try to drill down, why
• 33:37
  S7: do I feel the way that I feel? Again, that's
• 33:39
  S7: David in Psalm 42. Ultimately, we're going to find our
• 33:43
  S7: source of hope and joy and healing in Christ. The
• 33:47
  S7: first thing you have to do is go to him
• 33:49
  S7: in prayer. If you know that you're struggling, maybe it's
• 33:52
  S7: a sin issue that you have to confess. Or maybe
• 33:55
  S7: you've been sinned against, and you have to ask the
• 33:57
  S7: Lord to help you to to forgive them, or even
• 34:00
  S7: to just put your hope and your trust in him
• 34:03
  S7: and trust in his work of restoration, to trust in
• 34:06
  S7: his judgments. But I think going to God, recognizing that
• 34:09
  S7: you can't do it on your own, you need his help.
• 34:12
  S7: He's able to do things in you spiritually that you
• 34:14
  S7: just can't do for yourself. So I think on the
• 34:17
  S7: most practical level, get some time alone with God. Open
• 34:20
  S7: God's Word. I think the Psalms are a great place
• 34:23
  S7: to be because the Psalms sort of resonate with our
• 34:26
  S7: hearts emotions. But I think getting alone with God and
• 34:29
  S7: just pouring out your heart to him, tell him what's
• 34:31
  S7: going on. And then even in light of that, talking
• 34:34
  S7: to a trusted friend, you know, a spiritual leader, a
• 34:37
  S7: pastor or a counselor, and just talking these things through
• 34:40
  S7: getting it out of yourself, otherwise you'll start to believe
• 34:43
  S7: lies that just aren't true.
• 34:44
  S1: Yeah, I believe that there is something about opening your
• 34:48
  S1: chest cavity, pouring out your soul to someone. Articulating what
• 34:52
  S1: you're feeling can be one of the big breakthroughs. It's
• 34:55
  S1: interesting to me because as you think about spiritual depression,
• 34:59
  S1: and I can testify to this because when you're in
• 35:02
  S1: spiritual depression, sometimes the last thing you're thinking about is
• 35:06
  S1: being obedient to the Word of God because you're thinking,
• 35:09
  S1: for crying out loud, I'm depressed. I need a pass
• 35:12
  S1: on some of these things. Maybe not forsaking the fellowshipping
• 35:17
  S1: together with other saints. All right. It can be a battle,
• 35:22
  S1: but you've seen real hope in staying obedient, even though
• 35:27
  S1: you're going through the fog of spiritual depression. Speak to that.
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  S7: Yeah. I think one of the things that depression will
• 35:33
  S7: do to you is it isolates you. It stops you
• 35:36
  S7: from forward progress. It just, you know, ultimately this drives
• 35:40
  S7: you to the very bottom of the pit, as I
• 35:42
  S7: like to describe it, where you just can't see your
• 35:44
  S7: way out. But I think part of pulling out of that,
• 35:47
  S7: and that's part of why I wanted to write the
• 35:49
  S7: book the way that I did, is to try to
• 35:51
  S7: give people a couple of steps just to take a
• 35:53
  S7: little push forward, and sometimes even just the basic disciplines
• 35:57
  S7: of like what you're talking about, even just showing up
• 36:00
  S7: and being at church with God's people, or just the
• 36:03
  S7: discipline of opening your Bible and just reading something, or
• 36:07
  S7: even the discipline of just stopping and praying and talking
• 36:10
  S7: to God. Sometimes the most simple things. It's not going
• 36:13
  S7: to set the world on fire, but at least it's
• 36:15
  S7: forward progress. And sometimes it just takes that little step
• 36:19
  S7: of discipline and obedience to break the dam and everything
• 36:22
  S7: starts coming out. So don't underestimate the value of just
• 36:26
  S7: the small things. Even just getting up and making your bed.
• 36:30
  S7: Taking a shower. Small things can make a big deal.
• 36:33
  S7: A big difference when you're struggling with spiritual depression. So
• 36:35
  S7: don't underestimate discipline and obedience.
• 36:38
  S1: Amen. Nate Pinkowitz is, uh, our guest, and he's got
• 36:42
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• 36:46
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• 36:50
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  S1: If we don't die to self and learn to live
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  S1: with our wives in an understanding way, we're going to
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  S1: miss the blessing of God. Like the broad side of
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  S1: a barn. Yeah. And so we are going to feature
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  S1: something coming up here in a little bit. That is
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  S1: going to be dynamite. It is a conference that there
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  S1: is time to get signed up for you can you
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  S1: don't even have to be in Ohio to be a
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  S1: part of this thing. Some of you are like, good,
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  S1: because I don't want to go and I'm too far away.
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  S1: But you can do this online. We're going to give
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  S1: you details. And we got a special guest ducking in here. Yep.
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  S1: The man, the myth, the legend.
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  S2: Another one.
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  S1: 10th president of Moody Bible Institute, doctor Mark Jobe, is
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  S1: going to be with us in just a little bit.
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  S5: The gospel changes everything.
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  S8: Where else am I going to gonna find peace? Joy,
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  S8: eternal life not found in anyone else.
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  S5: You're listening to Carl and crew.
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  S6: With us right.
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  S1: Now. The man, the myth, the legend. The 10th president
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  S1: of Moody Bible Institute, pastor Mark Jobe. How are you doing,
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  S1: my friend?
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  S9: Carl, I'm doing great.
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  S1: So good to have you with us. All right. Big
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  S1: announcement came out recently. I'm not going to sing. Turn
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  S1: out the lights. The party's over because the lights are
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  S1: still on and cooking here. But, boy, God is. God
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  S1: has shown you that. It is time for you to transition.
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  S1: For those that don't know, pastor Mark Jobe has announced
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  S1: that he is going to begin a transition. Uh, we
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  S1: are in the process of looking for the 11th president
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  S1: of Moody Bible Institute, and I got to start by
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  S1: saying I was so sad and yet glad at the
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  S1: same time. Give us the back story on this, mark.
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  S9: Yeah. You know, most of the listeners know that I've
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  S9: been pastoring in pastoral, church planting, evangelism type ministry for
• 40:13
  S9: many years. When Moody called me up to see if
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  S9: I would entertain being the 10th president, I kind of
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  S9: laughed at the time. And my wife said, why are
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  S9: you laughing? I said, well, I love moody, but I
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  S9: don't want to leave lead Moody. I love what I'm doing.
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  S1: That sounds like an Abraham Sarai story, right? Exactly.
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  S9: It does a little bit. And you know, I've learned
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  S9: to listen to the Holy Spirit and my wife over
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  S9: the years. And, um, she said, I think you should
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  S9: at least pray about it. And I was a little
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  S9: bit surprised because she loves what we're doing as well.
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  S9: So we did. We fasted, we prayed and felt this. God,
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  S9: if you want us to take this, make it very
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  S9: clear at the end of four months a unanimous vote
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  S9: by the board. Just a lot of things in line.
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  S9: We knew God was saying, take this assignment. And so
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  S9: I stepped in with never desiring to to do this,
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  S9: but with a clear sense. This is my assignment and
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  S9: it's been a great run. I've so enjoyed Moody. I
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  S9: tell I told someone last week I'm leaving Moody as
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  S9: a super fan. I appreciate Moody more as I'm leaving
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  S9: than I did when I came in. I value it more.
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  S9: I see the hand of God on this place, but
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  S9: I also, when I started, Carl had a sense that
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  S9: it was an assignment for a season. Yeah. In fact, um,
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  S9: the coup that started with me, he asked me, Mark,
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  S9: how long do you plan to stay at Moody? I said,
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  S9: I don't know, but I feel like it's an assignment.
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  S9: If Moody's going well, if we're on mission, if Enrollment's good,
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  S9: if our finances are good, if we're in a good place.
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  S9: I told him seven years ago I didn't make this public,
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  S9: but I told him, you know, 2026 would be a
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  S9: great time. It's the 100th year anniversary of radio 140th
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  S9: year anniversary of the school. It's a great time to
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  S9: celebrate the past, but also cast a vision for the future.
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  S9: That would be a great time if we're doing well.
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  S9: And by God's grace, we are. And so I let
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  S9: the board know that that was my intention. They've been
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  S9: super supportive. We have a great team in place. And, um,
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  S9: the other thing that struck me, Carl, is, you know,
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  S9: we had said we wanted to double our impact by 2030.
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S9: And, um, you know, at the time, I'd asked how
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  S9: many people is moody impacting currently through radio, through publishing,
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  S9: through education. And they estimated in 2019 that it was
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  S9: between 8 to 10 million people a year. And so
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  S9: we started praying that we would impact 20 million people
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  S9: a year. I had a board member tell me recently that,
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  S9: you know, it was a tough time at Moody at
• 43:06
  S9: that time and education and all these things were going
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  S9: on and they thought it was, she said. I thought
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  S9: that was crazy. But I was informed this past year, 2025,
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  S9: as we came to a close, that minimal we impacted
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  S9: 20 million, probably closer to 30 million or more. So
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  S9: I just have realized the hand of God in this,
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  S9: and I'm returning really to my first passion, which is preaching, evangelism,
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  S9: church planting. And so I'm going back to church ministry.
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  S1: It's great.
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  S9: Yeah, very excited for where Moody is at. The vision
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  S9: that it has the team that's in place and leaving.
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  S9: Like I said, my wife and I are super fans
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  S9: of Moody.
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  S1: That's beautiful. Uh, it's I want you to know, boom crew,
• 43:54
  S1: that there is a search committee in place and they
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  S1: are working it as we speak. They've been on it
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  S1: now for a month or two and plans are in place.
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  S1: The wheels are moving and Mark's right. We got a
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  S1: lot cooking. I mean, in in a week and a
• 44:09
  S1: half mark, I'm staring at a dashboard that says, $4
• 44:13
  S1: million we gotta raise for spring share. And you know what?
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  S1: You know what? I'm so confident of God's work here
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  S1: that by God's grace and through a movement of prayer,
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  S1: unleashing hundreds and hundreds of prayer warriors through that week,
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  S1: we're going to see this go on 100 years celebrating
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  S1: Moody Radio, and we're going to see it go on.
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  S1: So I want to thank you. You've been incredible, but
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  S1: I don't want to leave you there because we want
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  S1: to spike an event that's going on starting tomorrow, and
• 44:42
  S1: it's going to be an event for men across the world.
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  S1: Anyone listening can be a part of this. Give us
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  S1: a vision for Walk Worthy in Ohio.
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  S9: So, you know, I've always had a real passion to
• 44:54
  S9: see men step up to the plate, break cycles, take
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  S9: bold steps in Jesus name. And so since I've, uh,
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  S9: before I even started as president, I was a regular
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  S9: speaker at some of these walk worthy events. We are
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  S9: having a tremendous response already to this event that will
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  S9: be hosted in Akron and Cleveland, Ohio, all serving all
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  S9: that area. We have three speakers. Worship. This is a
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  S9: an event that challenges men not to be passive. Challenges
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  S9: men to step up to their God given call with
• 45:34
  S9: their family, in their marriages, with their children, with, uh,
• 45:38
  S9: the leadership that God has placed on them to break
• 45:42
  S9: the chains of passivity, to engage in understanding that they
• 45:48
  S9: legitimately have a call upon their life and not to
• 45:51
  S9: waste their life. That's the essence of walk worthy. And, um,
• 45:56
  S9: we have some great speakers lined up for this as well.
• 46:00
  S9: And God uses these events. I've had so many men
• 46:03
  S9: that have come back to me and said, I gave
• 46:05
  S9: my life to Christ. I broke up with the unhealthy relationship.
• 46:10
  S9: I went back and and talked to my wife and
• 46:13
  S9: asked forgiveness and said, I need to step in. So hey,
• 46:17
  S9: don't come unless you expect to be changed. So I'm
• 46:20
  S9: just giving you a warning here. This is a dangerous
• 46:24
  S9: place to go, wise. If you're listening. It's a dangerous
• 46:27
  S9: place to send your husbands because they may come back
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  S9: very transformed.
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  S1: Oh. That's awesome. All right, guys, you want details on this?
• 46:35
  S1: The conferences tomorrow, Mark and others are going to be there.
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  S1: If you heard pastor tanks earlier this week, you're like, yeah,
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  S1: got to get there, Tex. Walk to (800) 555-7898. Again, live
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  S1: or across the world via the internet. Text walk to
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  S1: 800 555 7898.