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Fictional Women Around the World: Holiday Movie Edition · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm welcome stuff Never
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Speaker 1: Told You production of iHeart Radio and today welcome to
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Speaker 1: another sub sub sub sub sub segment, Fictional Women around
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Speaker 1: the World. This is a special one because, as it
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Speaker 1: comes out, it is Christmas Eve. Happy Christmas Eve to
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Speaker 1: anyone who celebrates Chris, Happy Christmas to whoever, Happy Day tooever,
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Speaker 1: good luck. Because of that, I thought I'd do something
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Speaker 1: a little different for this fictional Women around the World,
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Speaker 1: and we would just talk about some popular tropes around
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Speaker 1: women in holiday movies, because there are a lot of them,
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Speaker 1: starting with the workaholic. And we briefly discussed this in
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Speaker 1: one of my recent happy hours about how I feel
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Speaker 1: like I've sort of been put into this trope. This
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Speaker 1: is the woman who puts her career first and now
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Speaker 1: her life is meaningless. She has to go home for
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Speaker 1: Christmas for some reason and then finds out it's all
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Speaker 1: a line. Here we go she finds the meaning of Christmas,
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Speaker 1: usually because of the related trope the hunk who shows
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Speaker 1: her life is more than work. They're always like a carpenter, yeah,
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Speaker 1: or they work at like the local store and they
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Speaker 1: have they wear a lot of plaids.
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Speaker 2: Or they own a bookstore, yes, than the Go to
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Speaker 2: Go two things.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess I should put a disclaimer here.
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Speaker 1: I have seen plenty of holiday movies, but I'm not
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Speaker 1: like I haven't delved into Hallmark at all, Like I
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Speaker 1: don't know even I though I know some of these,
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Speaker 1: I know these.
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Speaker 3: Hey, I was actually thinking about this because it is
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Speaker 3: now on the advertising for Google TV. So if you know,
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Speaker 3: if you have that as you know ro Google TV,
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Speaker 3: Google TV, they show you holiday movies you might want
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Speaker 3: to watch in The Hallmark channel is absolutely featured.
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Speaker 2: Old school days.
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Speaker 3: To be in a Hallmark movie meant that you were
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Speaker 3: about to make it, like you haven't quite made it,
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Speaker 3: but you've been on either a kind of a syndicated
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Speaker 3: show or you're about like you're jumping from TV to
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Speaker 3: movies like you Like I just saw it with like
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Speaker 3: Skate Ulerich I think and Carry Russell. Yeah, so Skate
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Speaker 3: Oleridge and Carrie Russell's old, old old Hallmark movie And
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Speaker 3: I was like, my god, did they do one?
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Speaker 2: Really?
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Speaker 3: It was way back when, and I think it was
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Speaker 3: at the era of her being in Felicity and like
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Speaker 3: way back when, like she was starting to get big,
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Speaker 3: her hair was being talked about because for some reason,
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Speaker 3: the nineties era of like women in hair like that,
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Speaker 3: everybody wanted that haircut anyway. But I was like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I think once upon a time when Tiffany and Berthieson
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Speaker 3: was getting off of Saved by the Bell, she was
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Speaker 3: in a crime Hallmark Lifetime movie. Like it was weird
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Speaker 3: because at that point, Lifetime on Hallmark one in the
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Speaker 3: same like they were featuring because Hallmark channel wasn't its
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Speaker 3: own channel, it was all being featured on Lifetime. I'm old,
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Speaker 3: just go work and being with me, and so you
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Speaker 3: would have both. But like it's so fantastictually just pulled
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Speaker 3: out the magic ordinary days of ordinary days.
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Speaker 2: Maybe it was a real movie and I just thought.
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Speaker 3: It was Hallmark version, but I'm pretty sure.
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Speaker 2: But I'm like, wow, to truly have made it.
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Speaker 3: And now it's people who have either their career needs
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Speaker 3: to be revived or we've never heard of them.
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Speaker 1: Well, like I said, if you could get a good
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Speaker 1: Christmas movie, like I've said before, I haven't said it
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Speaker 1: in this current episode, but like I've said before, if
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Speaker 1: you can get a good Christmas movie, that's kind of
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Speaker 1: a guaranteed yearly income moneymaker.
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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, mm hmm.
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Speaker 1: I do have a friend who was on Sminty back
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Speaker 1: when we didn't have a co host, and she loves
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Speaker 1: Hallmark movies and she talked she broke it all down
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Speaker 1: for me. But these tropes, I mean, I feel like
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Speaker 1: they've infiltrated. They've infiltrated. And this was part of the
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Speaker 1: reason I wanted to talk about it was my mom.
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Speaker 1: She got it in her head. She wanted to watch
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Speaker 1: Hot Frosty and I was like.
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Speaker 2: He's a gay Hellmark movie.
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Speaker 1: It you don't know what it is.
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Speaker 4: No, oh, it's about No, it's not man, It's about
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Speaker 4: hot Snowman abs and comes to life and it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, love is fanned.
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Speaker 2: I guess was the title Hot Frosty?
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Speaker 1: Really? Yes, I have heard some people like it, and
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Speaker 1: I'm not judging it. I haven't seen it. I was
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Speaker 1: just kind of like Bob, I always only bringing this
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Speaker 1: up because I kind of think it's funny. But then
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Speaker 1: she got in her head it's like we should.
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Speaker 2: Watch it, did you No? Oh?
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Speaker 1: Now, well, my mom. I love her to death, but
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Speaker 1: she's not good at watching movies. She usually falls asleep
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Speaker 1: within like the first twenty minutes, so I was like,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to be stuck watching Hot Frosty about myself,
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Speaker 1: and maybe I would like it. I have an upcoming
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Speaker 1: classic about how I brought up all this debate about
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Speaker 1: what a Simon role actually is the tripe. So I
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Speaker 1: don't know.
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Speaker 2: Uh, I guess.
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Speaker 1: I disagree, but I think, yes, I can see it.
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Speaker 1: I can see it, but I haven't. I haven't watched
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Speaker 1: the movie, so I got to do that before I
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Speaker 1: can judge.
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Speaker 2: Finally disagreeing already, Dal.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, based on the article I read about it
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Speaker 1: their points, I disagree, but I haven't seen the movie,
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Speaker 1: so I'll have to watch and then I can judge.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, my mom will fall asleep in it, i'd
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Speaker 1: be watched, I'd be left watching it by myself, and
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Speaker 1: I wasn't in that place at the current moment. So
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Speaker 1: here is a quote from mc sweeney's about the kind
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Speaker 1: of workout workaholic Christmas movie woman. Sure she gets great
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Speaker 1: satisfaction from maintaining her independence, achieving her goals, and surrounding
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Speaker 1: herself with people who challenge and inspire her, but it's
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Speaker 1: time for her to stop working and start living the
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Speaker 1: Hallmark way. It's time for her to go home for
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Speaker 1: the holidays. Once home, she will agree to whichever of
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Speaker 1: her parents is still living. She's required to miss at
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Speaker 1: least one of them tragically. Then she must bump into
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Speaker 1: some guy she knew in high school. He knew her
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Speaker 1: when she was still young and carefree, before she'd had
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Speaker 1: any meaningful life experiences, and before her brain was even
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Speaker 1: really finished developing. He knows the real herb perfect It's
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Speaker 1: a really great article. It's satirical, I hope, obviously, but
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Speaker 1: it has a lot, a lot, a lot of great quotes,
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Speaker 1: so if you're interested, I would say go check that out.
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Speaker 1: Also related is the perfectionist, and this is sort of
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Speaker 1: the woman who has to get all of Christmas right.
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Speaker 1: She has to get all the decorations right. She's got
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Speaker 1: to win the cookie contest and the light show contest
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Speaker 1: and all of that. That is also a popular trope.
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Speaker 1: These last two are the ones I'm most familiar with.
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Speaker 1: The nagging mom. This this is the woman who does
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Speaker 1: like everything, but the man gets the credit for finding
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Speaker 1: the spirit of Christmas or something right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It's usually like she asked him to do the one
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Speaker 1: thing and then he didn't do it, and then for
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Speaker 1: some reason she's the villain in this for bothering him
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Speaker 1: about it, and then he eventually finds some way to
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Speaker 1: succeed and he's.
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Speaker 2: The hero, like he becomes Santa Claus.
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Speaker 1: He becomes Santa Claus. That's a big one orgy jingle
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Speaker 1: all the way, which, by the way, has a post
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Speaker 1: credit scene if you didn't know, And the post credit
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Speaker 1: scene is so the whole plot of that movie is
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Speaker 1: he like doesn't spend any time with his family and
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Speaker 1: then he was supposed to get this like really hard
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Speaker 1: to get gift and he didn't, and now he can't
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Speaker 1: get it because everybody's sold out everywhere. He's able to
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Speaker 1: get it in the end, but whatever, whatever, whatever. Anyway
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Speaker 1: credit scene post credit scene is his wife is like,
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Speaker 1: I'm so impressed with everything you did for our son,
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Speaker 1: and it makes me wonder what did you get me?
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Speaker 1: He didn't get her anything, and I'm like, yep, yep,
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Speaker 1: that's it, right.
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Speaker 3: I like that ending like yeah yeah, and his face
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Speaker 3: like the Blue Boars are like, oh yeah, it like
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Speaker 3: does the quick zoom and he's like, oh, like I
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Speaker 3: don't know if it's just implying that all men have
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Speaker 3: ADHD in that they don't I don't remember to tell,
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Speaker 3: or they wait to the last minute. Yeah, and then
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Speaker 3: they're like, oh no, I'm scrambling around for kind of
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Speaker 3: a good gift. I will say the time to get
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Speaker 3: away from me this time as well, So I'm like,
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Speaker 3: they're not the only ones, but.
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Speaker 2: Get it together.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I was reading an article before this about
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Speaker 1: I mentioned it briefly in the Happy Hour that will
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Speaker 1: come out about how there's been a lot of articles
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Speaker 1: lately about people realizing that their moms bought and wrapped
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Speaker 1: their own gifts. And there was one article who was
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Speaker 1: written by someone who was like, you know, I'm always
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Speaker 1: kind of annoyingly bragging about how our relationship is so
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Speaker 1: equitable and we share all these responsibilities, but when Christmas comes,
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Speaker 1: it goes out the window, and he's always so last minute,
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Speaker 1: and I'm like shouldering all this other stuff. And when
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Speaker 1: we talked about it, what he said was he's never
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Speaker 1: he doesn't get the exchanging of gifts, so he just
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Speaker 1: it doesn't occur to him. But she was like, well,
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Speaker 1: tell that to all the people in our life. I
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Speaker 1: don't know right. It was interesting though.
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Speaker 3: But guarantee he would have been embarrassed if they didn't
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Speaker 3: show up with gifts and things in all of that
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Speaker 3: and been like, oh no, And then when he.
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Speaker 2: Gets gives and be like, why didn't you do it?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, and she was saying, like a lot of
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Speaker 1: times people they would cut their eyes to her because
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Speaker 1: they're expecting her to do it. So he's even though
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Speaker 1: it's on him, he's not getting the blame.
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Speaker 2: Right, No, she is, but he was still feel embarrassed.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that is such a trope, especially in Admittedly,
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Speaker 1: my data set of like holiday movies is from when
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Speaker 1: I was growing up, so like the nineties, right, I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure if it's changed, but in the nineties this
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Speaker 1: was a huge trope.
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Speaker 2: Well, just like a Disney movie.
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Speaker 3: I had a lot of movies about like parents dying
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Speaker 3: and them being alone and having one parent trying to
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Speaker 3: shoulder all that. But then like telling me the kid
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Speaker 3: to get it get over it, or like having the
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Speaker 3: ant come in still being seen as a villain.
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm, prancer. That traumatized me.
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Speaker 3: I hate it with a passion, hate it with everything
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Speaker 3: in my being.
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Speaker 2: Everything about it makes me angry. This is why I
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Speaker 2: don't get into the Christmas spirit. I think movies.
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Speaker 1: That's fair. There is another related trope I would say,
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Speaker 1: which is that the mom who is underappreciated and puts
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Speaker 1: everyone first even though they're having a terrible Christmas. So
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Speaker 1: a lot of people gave who is it taylorone from
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Speaker 1: Love actually like she's having this horrible No, who is
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Speaker 1: Ama Thompson?
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Speaker 2: Okay Thompson aste.
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Speaker 1: Like of love actually happy? But they say, like, she's
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Speaker 1: having this horrible Christmas and she's just like putting on
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Speaker 1: smile and still trying to.
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Speaker 2: I mean, to be fair.
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Speaker 3: She finds out that her husband is talking to a
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Speaker 3: very very very young secretary.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, rip Alan Rickman.
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Speaker 1: I mean, of course she's having a terrible Christmas, but
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Speaker 1: like that idea of her, Yeah, feeling like I have
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Speaker 1: to right shoulder on and put it on the smile
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Speaker 1: and make all this magic, right, yeah, make.
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Speaker 3: The costumes of a lobster for the first lobster and
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Speaker 3: then they tivity y'all if y'all know, you know, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: there's so many like the mom. Like even the Christmas Story,
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Speaker 3: the mom is just tired and I've only seen I
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Speaker 3: still have not seen all of the Christmas Story because
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Speaker 3: it is on repeat everywhere I go, and I can't
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Speaker 3: stand it.
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Speaker 2: Not because of it's a bad movie. It's just because it's.
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Speaker 3: So overplayed that I'm like, I will never watch this,
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Speaker 3: no offense to those who love it. I get it,
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Speaker 3: it's a good Christmas movie for y'all. But like the mom,
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Speaker 3: she is thoroughly tired and constantly having to watch after
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Speaker 3: the kids and constantly having to watch over her and
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Speaker 3: besilac husband essentially, so it seems someone's gonna come out
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Speaker 3: here and get really mad at me about me denigrading
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Speaker 3: the Christmas Christmas story. But I think about that as well,
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Speaker 3: and even like Elf, her character is just trying to
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Speaker 3: like being like, no, I have a job to You're
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Speaker 3: responsible for the son.
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Speaker 2: He's miserable because of you. You need to get it together.
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Speaker 3: Like she's also tired of him, and also taking kind
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Speaker 3: of care of El, the adult man who was his son,
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Speaker 3: who thinks that he's an ELF. I'm pretty sure she
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Speaker 3: and Here are the closes same age, by the way,
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Speaker 3: But anyway, but I think like even the newer movies
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Speaker 3: still have the moms just being like secondary characters who
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Speaker 3: are just done getting tired.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think about that too, because it's usually like
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Speaker 1: it's about the main dude finding Christmas and she's just
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Speaker 1: there like, please help, please do your job, please do
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Speaker 1: the bare minimum once again.
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Speaker 3: At least they don't paint her as the bad guy
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Speaker 3: in this one, because she is so secondary, but she's
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Speaker 3: just more like I'm done and I appreciate that, but
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Speaker 3: like that's still that level of nagging in which you
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Speaker 3: really are trying to pigeonhole women in these characters. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: we've done those episodes before, it is, so I'm like,
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Speaker 3: why do we need to do this again?
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Speaker 1: Well, this brings us to I have a tiny bonus
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Speaker 1: one after this, but our final main one is all
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Speaker 1: I want.
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Speaker 2: Is a man.
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Speaker 1: Big trope. She is single on Christmas.
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Speaker 3: No, the family stone is not that, but it's kind
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Speaker 3: of like being the perfect girlfriend to keep a man.
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Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of the a lot of
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Speaker 1: the kind of rom com ones are she's single at Christmas.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, oh no, no no, and they're usually presented
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Speaker 1: very comically like she's can't get her life together. Maybe
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Speaker 1: she got fired from her job, maybe she slipped in
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Speaker 1: the road, and it could be anything, but she's not
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Speaker 1: having a good time at Christmas. Here's the quote. Here's
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Speaker 1: the quote from the stylist. Being single at Christmas in
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Speaker 1: a festive film is akin to being a social pariah.
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Speaker 1: Your entire purpose is to find love before the credits roll.
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Speaker 1: The longer it takes you to achieve this goal, the
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Speaker 1: more you will be punished via a series of cinematic misfortunes.
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Speaker 1: Your bags will break and spill your shopping all over
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Speaker 1: the floor. For example, you will make it ours of
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Speaker 1: yourself at the office karaoke part. You will wind up
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Speaker 1: drunk and home alone at least once dancing to the
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Speaker 1: Killers are singing album myself. See The Holiday and Bridget
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Speaker 1: Jones's diary for proof. It's true, it's true.
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Speaker 2: It's more about New Years though both.
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Speaker 1: If we did do I think both of those for
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Speaker 1: holiday movies? Yes we did, we did, but yeah, that
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Speaker 1: kind of whole. I can't be alone over Christmas. No,
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Speaker 1: and very heteronormative sense, not even just your family, but like.
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Speaker 3: Well apparently there's a gay Christmas movie.
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Speaker 2: You single all the way, There's there's more.
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Speaker 1: There's more than that one there because there are exceptions.
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Speaker 1: Things are changing. It's very slow going, but yes, there
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Speaker 1: there are a few. Because for so long it was
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Speaker 1: very straight, very white. It still largely is, but there
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Speaker 1: are exceptions, and there are more and more exceptions, so
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Speaker 1: that's something. But yeah, I was reading articles about like
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Speaker 1: just so much of it is still kind of like
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Speaker 1: and I mean, it's the reality. Unfortunately, it's still the
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Speaker 1: women in the kitchen cooking and making everything and doing
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Speaker 1: all the gift giving and all this stuff, and they
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Speaker 1: are secondary and less. They're single, and they need to
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Speaker 1: find a man to find their meaning than otherwise, what
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Speaker 1: are you even doing?
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Speaker 2: What are you even doing?
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Speaker 3: I just love, honestly that a bunch of the movies
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Speaker 3: are just quite on the nose, like a merry single Christmas. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: I will say, during the pandemic one of the best
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Speaker 3: Christmases I had. I'm a love of all my Christmases,
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Speaker 3: but as me being by myself at my house because
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Speaker 3: we couldn't travel anywhere, and my parents all of them
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Speaker 3: had COVID because they all decided to see each other
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Speaker 3: like a week before and all of them got COVID.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not coming to see you. And then
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Speaker 3: my partner ended up going I think actually went to
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Speaker 3: see his family, and we weren't at that point yet,
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Speaker 3: like we weren't visiting each other's family, and I was like,
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Speaker 3: how much chill here?
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Speaker 2: I'm good.
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Speaker 3: Happy holidays y'all. And I think I watched like Christmas
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Speaker 3: movies and just sat at home.
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Speaker 2: It was delightful.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing. It doesn't have to be
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Speaker 1: the saddest thing. Ever, it's not. For a lot of us,
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Speaker 1: it's not. But we've also talked about how before when
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Speaker 1: you go home, a lot of times you get those
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Speaker 1: questions and why are you still single? And that can
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Speaker 1: make you feel like is that the only only purpose
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Speaker 1: I have?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but for plenty of us, you could even enjoy
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Speaker 1: these movies and know that it's very silly, and uh,
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Speaker 1: it's not.
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Speaker 2: Okay, it's enjoying those silly movies.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, just you know, always recognize when you get some jokes.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, come on.
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Speaker 2: We talked about this before recently. Cliche tropes, they're not
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Speaker 2: all bad, No, enjoy them with caution.
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Speaker 1: Enjoy with caution. So I would say my honorary mention
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Speaker 1: is young girls who like help everybody find the spirit
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Speaker 1: of Christmas. Miracle on thirty fourth Street is a good example.
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Speaker 1: And Cindi lu who who actually did find a really
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Speaker 1: interesting article about her and about how she basically is
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Speaker 1: like rescuing her family in town from capitalism and go, okay.
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Speaker 2: That's nice.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Frosty the Snowman is a young girl that rescues Frosty
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Speaker 3: the Snowman essentially in the spirit of Christmas as well.
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Speaker 3: There's several that's like that. I think it's always typically
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Speaker 3: young girls. Again, plants are still traumatized, but it's that
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Speaker 3: same trope and I hate it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's there's definitely several that fit into
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Speaker 1: that as well. But I hope listeners that whatever you're doing,
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Speaker 1: wherever you are, however you're choosing to celebrate or not celebrate,
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Speaker 1: you are well. And if you have any thoughts on
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Speaker 1: any of this, any suggestions, because there are some like
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Speaker 1: pretty newish movies that have come out that I was
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Speaker 1: reading about. I was like, oh, this is different. I
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Speaker 1: haven't seen this holiday movie before, so always appreciate suggestions.
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