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New Bombshell Lead in Maddie McCann Disappearance? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: A little girl goes missing from a wonderful vacation with
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Speaker 2: her parents practically right under their noses. In the last hours,
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Speaker 2: very disturbing and knew Maddie McCann claim what happened to
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Speaker 2: the little girl? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. That's right. In the
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Speaker 2: last days, a very disturbing new Maddie McCann claim that
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Speaker 2: a drunken wife of a British man ran over the
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Speaker 2: little girl before the couple dumped.
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Speaker 1: Her body at sea.
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Speaker 3: This has just emerged.
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Speaker 2: Prosecutors have been accused by the media a failing to
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Speaker 2: properly investigate a claim Madeline maddiemann was run over by
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Speaker 2: a drunk driver. Now, Portuguese officers allegedly get a tip
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Speaker 2: about a British man who was covering up a secret
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Speaker 2: about his German wife who reportedly ran over Maddie while
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Speaker 2: the wife is drunk, and then to cover it up
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Speaker 2: they hid the little girl's body. Okay, that's another claim
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Speaker 2: in the search for Mattie McCann, But it was decided
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Speaker 2: at that time to continue solely investigating suspect Christian Bruckner
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Speaker 2: joining me an.
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Speaker 3: All star panel to make sense of what we know
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Speaker 3: right now. High profile lawyer joining me out of the
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Speaker 3: Atlanta jurisdiction, former prosecutor of felony crimes just like this
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Speaker 3: one now, Defense attorney Darryl Cohen. Doctor Angel Arnold, renowned psychiatrist,
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Speaker 3: joining us, also from the Atlanta jurisdiction, and you can
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Speaker 3: find her at her website. Doctor ANGELA. Arnold, MD dot com.
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Speaker 3: Special Deputy Sheriff Johnson County Sheriff's off as executive director
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Speaker 3: of the Kelsey Smith Foundation, Greg Smith joining us. First
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Speaker 3: to Charlie Langston, Editor Dailymail dot com. Charlie, thank you
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Speaker 3: for being with us. Charlie, what a long time we've
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Speaker 3: waited for justice. And then Maddie McCann disappearance or should
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Speaker 3: I just call it like it is, Charlie, the Maddie
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Speaker 3: McCann murder, This little girl just three years old when
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Speaker 3: she was abducted.
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Speaker 4: I mean, this is a case as a brit It's
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Speaker 4: something that has been a part of my life for
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Speaker 4: over a decade now, and I think the incredible interest
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Speaker 4: that remains in this case and in all of its
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Speaker 4: developments just go to show how much of a sensational crime.
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Speaker 4: This was It was devastating to the entire country, to
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Speaker 4: the entire world to see this three year old girl
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Speaker 4: disappear without the trace, and to see her parents year
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Speaker 4: after year begging the authority is begging the public to
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Speaker 4: help them try and find out what has happened to
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Speaker 4: that child.
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Speaker 2: You're right, Charlie, just seeing the McCanns crying and begging,
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Speaker 2: and of course under the circumstances where little baby man
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Speaker 2: he went missing, they were first suspected, which tore them
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Speaker 2: up all the more. Guys, who is this guy that
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Speaker 2: is now the suspect?
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Speaker 3: Finally he's been in their cross heres for a long time.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what has taken them so long to
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Speaker 3: name him an official suspect. Take to listen to ourka.
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Speaker 3: Three are friends at sky.
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Speaker 5: But Madeleine McCann's parents there's still hope she's alive. But
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Speaker 5: prosecutor hands Christian Volters says he's leading a murder investigation.
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Speaker 5: Madeline's parents still believe she could be alive. Why do
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Speaker 5: you call it a murder investigation?
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Speaker 6: So so many effects that she's dead, so there's no
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Speaker 6: mucleicut opportunity. Opportunity that she is still living.
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Speaker 5: The case against the new suspect, Christian b is circumstantial.
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Speaker 5: He's a convicted child sex abuser. He lived along Portugal's
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Speaker 5: Algarve coast for twelve years. His last home was in
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Speaker 5: prior to Louge. When Madeline vanished, His phone was used
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Speaker 5: outside the mccoun apartment the night she disappeared with.
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Speaker 6: The Armistlaija from Medlan mckinn begin aboulf an.
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Speaker 7: Hours does he taught us We don't have Madeline mcken's buddy,
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Speaker 7: but we expect that she's said. We have some evidence
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Speaker 7: that the suspect has done the deed, but we need
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Speaker 7: more information from people places he has lived, so we
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Speaker 7: can target these places especially and search there for Madeline.
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Speaker 2: You know, I find it really interesting out to Greg Smith,
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Speaker 2: a special Deputy Shriff joining us justin County.
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Speaker 3: You of our.
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Speaker 2: People know the power of the ping. Okay, the power
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Speaker 2: of a cell phoned ping.
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Speaker 3: Did I just hear Greg Smith that this guy cell
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Speaker 3: phone pain just outside Matty mccannon's apartment. It was like
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Speaker 3: an Airbnb where they were staying at this plush resort.
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Speaker 3: They didn't know that before.
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Speaker 8: Now, well, it depends on how they did it. I mean,
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Speaker 8: there is a way to get live location data, you know,
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Speaker 8: at the time of the crime. That type of thing,
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Speaker 8: the stuff that I work on all the time. There's
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Speaker 8: also a way to get that data though, from historical data,
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Speaker 8: from what's known as CDRs, are called detailed records. You
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Speaker 8: can go back and get the information on which towers
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Speaker 8: ay phone contacted, and their software you can put that
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Speaker 8: into and it'll map that out and you can actually
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Speaker 8: see where that phone has traveled. So it would be
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Speaker 8: interesting to know when they got that information. How long
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Speaker 8: ago did they get it. Is it something they just
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Speaker 8: recently said, hey, we can do this. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 8: there's a lot of questions here, but yeah, fifteen years
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Speaker 8: is a long time, you know.
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Speaker 2: Charlie Linkston, I don't understand it. Charlie Langton joining us
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Speaker 2: before with dailymail dot com.
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Speaker 3: She's the editor of Female Femail. I don't understand it.
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Speaker 3: If he is linked outside where our parents were staying
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Speaker 3: at the time, why has it taken them so long?
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Speaker 4: You know, this whole case has just been filled with
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Speaker 4: error after era after error, starting right from the jump.
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Speaker 4: When Maddie disappeared, the Portuguese police came under huge criticism
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Speaker 4: at the time because they failed to take any action immediately,
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Speaker 4: which we now believe allowed this suspect, this man to
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Speaker 4: get out of Portugal. As soon as the media for
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Speaker 4: all began around the Maddie McCann case. This guy slipped
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Speaker 4: out of Portugal and we believe went back to Germany.
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Speaker 4: None of the borders were locked down, none of that
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Speaker 4: stuff was put into place, and that allowed him to
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Speaker 4: walk right out of the country. So to even know
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Speaker 4: that he was there at the time, we would have
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Speaker 4: had to have identified him as being in Portugal. Nobody
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Speaker 4: knew at the time because he was allowed to flee
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Speaker 4: before anyone could even raise him as a suspect.
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Speaker 3: And at that time, Darryl Cohen, he was already a
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Speaker 3: sex offender. He had been molesting little girls, oggling them,
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Speaker 3: just a long, long history.
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Speaker 2: How he was moving so freely from one country to
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Speaker 2: the next.
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Speaker 9: Nancy, you have to wonder where the police were, where
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Speaker 9: their eyes were, where their head was, and their hands
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Speaker 9: weren't moving the way they should have.
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Speaker 3: Well, obviously I know where their heads were up their
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Speaker 3: rear ends, because this guy was allowed to wander around
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Speaker 3: right there where this child was staying and there are
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Speaker 3: now other cases a rate of a US citizen in
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Speaker 3: the area, and a sex attack on another elderly lady,
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Speaker 3: another young girl.
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Speaker 2: Who goes missing, not too too far away around the
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Speaker 2: age and.
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Speaker 3: Very physically similar to Maddie McCann. And he's connected to
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Speaker 3: all these things that I know. I know, Darryl Cohen,
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Speaker 3: that you.
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Speaker 2: Would scream bloody murder at trial if I did this.
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Speaker 2: But don't you think it's quite the coincidence that where
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Speaker 2: the elderly woman is raped, where the US citizen is raped,
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Speaker 2: where the other little girl goes missing, that looks like
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Speaker 2: Maddie McCann. Where Maddie goes missing, he's always in the area,
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Speaker 2: he's always right there, a couple of blocks away.
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Speaker 3: That doesn't bother you.
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Speaker 9: I absolutely admit it is not a coincidence, because I
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Speaker 9: don't believe in coincidences, But I am very concerned about
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Speaker 9: the lack of appropriate police fork and their investigation would
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Speaker 9: dead end until finally and maybe now we'll have justice,
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Speaker 9: just maybe.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I want you to take a listen now to
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Speaker 3: our cut eighteen our friends at Sky News, and this
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Speaker 3: is about the possibility that some of Madeline, baby Madda
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Speaker 3: Mcamn's clothes were found in an area. I don't know
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Speaker 3: if you guys have this, but in a lot of.
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Speaker 2: Areas, especially densely populated areas, there are patches of ground
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Speaker 2: where people can plant a garden, they can have a
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Speaker 2: structure there.
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Speaker 1: That is what this guy.
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Speaker 3: Had, this Christian Bruckner, and it is there that we
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Speaker 3: believe there's a possibility that some of Maddie's clothes were buried.
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Speaker 3: Take a listen.
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Speaker 5: Do you still have the same suspect you had three
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Speaker 5: months ago?
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Speaker 6: Yes, we have only one suspect, only Christian.
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Speaker 5: Me how much information has you been sent?
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Speaker 6: We got hundreds of hens. Of course, there are some
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Speaker 6: hens which are only rubbish. There are some hints we
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Speaker 6: are hopeful that can make our investigation more successful.
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Speaker 5: Three months ago, you said you needed good evidence, forensic evidence.
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Speaker 5: Have you found that yet?
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Speaker 6: We have no forensic evidence. But it's not necessary to
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Speaker 6: have forensic evidence to.
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Speaker 10: Charge our suspect.
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Speaker 6: But we need some more evidence, maybe a witness, maybe
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Speaker 6: a photo or a video.
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Speaker 5: I asked the prosecutor what evidence he has that makes
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Speaker 5: him certain that Madeline is dead. He won't say, but
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Speaker 5: he is aware of rumors.
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Speaker 6: Someone told me that we have found the clothes of maybe.
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Speaker 5: He has the pajamas.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's not true. If we found something like that,
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Speaker 6: it would.
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Speaker 9: Be great.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Natty Grace.
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Speaker 2: In the Last Days, a shocking new Mattie McKinnon claim
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Speaker 2: emerges that a drunken woman married to a British man
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Speaker 2: runs over Maddie. Then to cover it up, the couple
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Speaker 2: dump Mattie's body at sea.
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Speaker 1: Oh my stars.
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Speaker 2: Now law enforcement allegedly gets this tip about the cover up,
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Speaker 2: but authorities apparently rejected a request to use an undercover
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Speaker 2: police officer to try to befriend this wife and firm
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Speaker 2: up suspicions. Now, that's according to the media. The report
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Speaker 2: claims a sister of the British husband made the tip
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Speaker 2: off to police that prosecutors were asked to authorize a
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Speaker 2: covert police operation with someone posing as a friend and
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Speaker 2: trying to get her to confess, but.
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Speaker 3: The court refused.
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Speaker 2: Wow, it was decided at that time to continue solely
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Speaker 2: investigating suspect Christian Bruckner. Okay, who is Christian Brickner? And
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Speaker 2: shouldn't every lead be pursued? Take a listen to our
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Speaker 2: cut twenty five Our friends at Wuthr.
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Speaker 11: Prosecutors in Portugal now believe they may have a suspect
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Speaker 11: in the Madeline McCann case. You might remember that was
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Speaker 11: the three little, three year old little girl from Britain
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Speaker 11: who vanished while she was vacationing with her family back
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Speaker 11: in two thousand and seven at a resort. He also
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Speaker 11: has a previous conviction in a child's sexual abuse case.
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Speaker 3: Evans linking Christian Bruckner to Mattie McCann is we believe
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Speaker 3: a photo or a video of her? Now, why would
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Speaker 3: he have that? Take a listen now, our cut In
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Speaker 3: nineteen our friends at Inside.
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Speaker 12: Edition, Peter Vancentd questioned prosecutor Hans Christian Vaulters about the investigation.
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Speaker 6: We have strong evidence that Christian be killed Maddie mckenn.
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Speaker 3: But you don't have a body, correct, there's nobody.
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Speaker 6: No, we have no forensic evidence.
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Speaker 3: Then how can you be so certain?
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Speaker 13: We have out the evidence and may I speculate that
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Speaker 13: that evidence may include photographs or video of Maddie McCann.
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Speaker 6: H may speculate, but I'm not the laws to.
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Speaker 3: Tell you if you are right or if you are wrong.
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Speaker 12: Forty eight hours reports that a search of an abandoned
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Speaker 12: warehouse that once belonged to the suspect turned up USB
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Speaker 12: drives that contain pictures and videos of child abuse. The
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Speaker 12: prosecutor wouldn't confirm if images of Madeline were on the drives.
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Speaker 3: Let me go out to doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists
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Speaker 3: joining us, doctor Angie. It's one thing to.
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Speaker 2: Molest a child, it's another thing to video it.
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Speaker 3: Because if in fact Bruckner had video or photos of
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Speaker 3: Maddie McCann, he would have to have made them himself,
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Speaker 3: because at that time Maddie was not public, there were
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Speaker 3: not pictures and video off her online. He would have
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Speaker 3: to have made it, which means it would have been
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Speaker 3: most likely video of him raping or torturing this three
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Speaker 3: year old little girl.
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Speaker 14: Well, and the horrific thing is if you video something
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Speaker 14: so that you can watch it over and over again
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Speaker 14: because you get some sort of thrill out of doing
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Speaker 14: it and watching it over again, it also means that
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Speaker 14: this had some planning on his part, doesn't it. The
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Speaker 14: thing that just gets me is that there's later they're
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Speaker 14: asking if there's still a lot, if she's still alive.
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Speaker 14: Maybe if they had have done their work in the beginning.
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Speaker 14: If she was still alive, they could have found her then.
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Speaker 14: I don't know why they think that all of a
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Speaker 14: sudden she's going to be still alive. How are they
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Speaker 14: ever going to find her?
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that anyone has said that she
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Speaker 3: is still alive.
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Speaker 14: And that's not and that's not his mo. Apparently he's
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Speaker 14: you know, he if he did it, he raped her,
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Speaker 14: he abused her, he filmed it, and because of all
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Speaker 14: the bumbling around in this, in this in the police,
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Speaker 14: in this country, he's gotten away with it for this long.
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Speaker 2: It's horrible what happened the night that this little girl
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Speaker 2: seemingly vanishes into thin air while on vacation with her family.
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Speaker 3: Take a listen to our friends at the sky.
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Speaker 15: A three year old British girl has gone missing in
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Speaker 15: the Algave in Portugal. Of course we can speak now
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Speaker 15: to Dan Mason, who's a journalist who works in that area. Dan,
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Speaker 15: thanks for johinning us on Sky New Sunrise this morning.
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Speaker 15: What are the details that you've gleaned so far?
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Speaker 8: Talia?
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Speaker 13: All I basically know is that the child is obviously
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Speaker 13: saying a mark Corner establishment and was reported missing around
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Speaker 13: m last night. She's three years old and sister the
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Speaker 13: name of Madeline or Maddie Fair, and most of the
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Speaker 13: people in the area were searching through to about four
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Speaker 13: o'clock in the morning yesterday, obviously through hedges and down
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Speaker 13: the beach, et cetera.
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Speaker 3: Straight out to Charlie Lengthy joining us on dailymail dot com, Charliegain,
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Speaker 3: thank you for being with us. Exactly what happened surrounding
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Speaker 3: her disappearance.
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Speaker 4: So the disappearance happened while Maddie's parents and their friends
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Speaker 4: were out at a restaurant in Portugal. They were dining
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Speaker 4: at a place about one hundred and eighty feet away
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Speaker 4: from where they were staying. Throughout the night, the parents
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Speaker 4: went back checked on the children, and at ten PM,
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Speaker 4: Kate went back Maddie's mom to find that Maddie had
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Speaker 4: disappeared from her bed. Obviously, as any mother would, she
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Speaker 4: flew into a blind panic, alerted as many people as
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Speaker 4: she possibly could. They then spent the entire night hunting
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Speaker 4: for Maddie, but couldn't find her anywhere. Portuguese authorities did
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Speaker 4: not issue They didn't even issue a description of Maddie
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Speaker 4: until around twenty four hours after she had disappeared. They
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Speaker 4: didn't lock down any kind of entrance or exit from
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Speaker 4: the town where the family was staying, And it really
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Speaker 4: was just a horrific comedy of errors that continued right
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Speaker 4: up until the point when Maddie's parents, Kate and Jerry,
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Speaker 4: were named as official suspects because Portuguese police accused them
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Speaker 4: of killing their daughter in some tragic accident in the
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Speaker 4: apartment and then trying to cover it up. So we
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Speaker 4: have a man being named as an official suspect for
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Speaker 4: the very first time since Maddie's own parents were accused
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Speaker 4: of killing their child.
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Speaker 3: I think that there was a lot of public outrage
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Speaker 3: that the parents left her and her siblings in the
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Speaker 3: hotel room while they went to have dinner. True it
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Speaker 3: was only one hundred feet away. True they had nothing
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Speaker 3: to do.
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Speaker 2: With her disappearance, but still it was a real witch burning.
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Speaker 9: Daryl Cohen, go after the people who were closest to
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Speaker 9: what appears to be a victim easier than going after
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Speaker 9: the real investigation, Easier than saying, don't have a suspect.
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Speaker 9: Suspects yet we're looking carefully, Easier than looking at trouding
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Speaker 9: this net and finding this guy who was a convicted
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Speaker 9: child molester. Who finding this guy who went after a
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Speaker 9: girl that looked like Mattie. I mean, this is outrageous.
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Speaker 15: You know.
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Speaker 3: Another thing about it to you, Greg Smith, I agree
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Speaker 3: with Daryl Cohen, the fact that they focused so much
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Speaker 3: on the parents at the get go really delayed the
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Speaker 3: search for Maddie's abductor. And another thing, Greg Smith, Greg
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Speaker 3: the very first saying when a woman or a child
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Speaker 3: goes missing, you look for sex predators in the area,
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Speaker 3: and who is in the area unmonitored Christian Bruckner, they
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Speaker 3: did nothing.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's standard procedure. Nancy, you immediately checked. I mean,
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Speaker 8: here in Kansas we have the sex Vendor Registry, so
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Speaker 8: that was done. In Kelsey's case, that was one of
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Speaker 8: the first things that was done. We'll see who's in
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Speaker 8: the area, who could have been in the area, interview them,
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Speaker 8: talk to them. And while in a lot of these
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Speaker 8: cases it turns out that there's a family member involved there,
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Speaker 8: and there's a tendency for police to focus on that,
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Speaker 8: You've you've got to be aware of the big picture
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Speaker 8: and be open minded and figure out that you know,
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Speaker 8: they may not be this aspect and you can't just
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Speaker 8: hone in with a preconceived notion that this is what
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Speaker 8: you've got. So, yeah, that's that's problematic.
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Speaker 3: And not only that, do you try Langston. It's my
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Speaker 3: understanding that this announcement comes nearly fifteen years to the
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Speaker 3: day that Maddie goes missing. Do you find that odd
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Speaker 3: at all? Fifteen years to the day.
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Speaker 4: It's actually not odd because Portugal has a fifteen year
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Speaker 4: statute of limitation on crimes that would call for a
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Speaker 4: ten plus year sentence. So I think the timing is
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Speaker 4: actually in no way coincidental or strange. I think the
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Speaker 4: timing is very, very purposeful because Portuguese authorities know that
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Speaker 4: if they don't do something right here, right now, then
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Speaker 4: it may well be too late to ever punish whoever
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Speaker 4: perpetrated this horrific crime and to ever find any kind
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Speaker 4: of justice or at least answers for Kate and Jerry McCann.
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Speaker 3: Well, you're right, what Charlie Langston is telling you is
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Speaker 3: absolutely correct. Thing that this is just.
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Speaker 2: The authorities trying to save their own skin in this case.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to Orakat twenty seven. Our friend Simon.
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Speaker 16: Jones Madeline went missing from a holiday apartment on the
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Speaker 16: third of May two thousand and seven, while her parents
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Speaker 16: were having dinner at a nearby restaurant. In July twenty thirteen,
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Speaker 16: the met Police opened its own investigation, saying it had
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Speaker 16: new evidence and new witnesses, and it was in June
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Speaker 16: twenty twenty that German police first revealed they had a suspect.
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Speaker 16: There have been searches in Portugal, but no breakthrough. In
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Speaker 16: less than two weeks, a statute of limitations would take effect,
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Speaker 16: meaning under Portuguese law it would no longer be possible
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Speaker 16: to make someone a person of interest. But it's understood
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Speaker 16: this latest development is driven not by timing, but by
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Speaker 16: strong indications that a crime has taken place. There had
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Speaker 16: been many false dawns in the investigations into what happened.
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Speaker 16: The police in Germany had previously worn their inquiry like
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Speaker 16: the others, could end without a charge, but Madeline's parents
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Speaker 16: have always said they need to know what happened so
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Speaker 16: they can find peace.
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Speaker 3: They've blurted out publicly that they don't have any forensic
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Speaker 3: evidence that hurt the case. But now I'm understanding Charlie
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Speaker 3: Langston's joining us from dalimail dot com that they are
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Speaker 3: claiming they've got a witness.
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Speaker 4: Now supposedly, yes, they are saying that they have a
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Speaker 4: witness who may be able to come forward and link
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Speaker 4: Christian B. Christian Bruckner to the crime. But I should
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Speaker 4: also point out that a TV special is due to
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Speaker 4: air in the UK in which four witnesses are understood
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Speaker 4: to be coming forward to corroborate an alibi for Christian B,
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Speaker 4: which would once again, potentially, you know, completely ruin this
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Speaker 4: whole case before it's even really got off the ground.
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Speaker 4: So it will be interesting to see what happens when
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Speaker 4: these four people who are named, who supposedly have no
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Speaker 4: connection to Christian be whatsoever, no reason to defend him,
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Speaker 4: come forward and cooporate whatever alibi it is that he
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Speaker 4: plans to offer.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know what, Charlie Langston, I'll just burn that
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Speaker 3: bridge when I get there, because I've had a lot
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Speaker 3: of cases where the defense claims I've got an eyewitness
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Speaker 3: to say fill in the blank, and you know what
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Speaker 3: I say to that b s, I'll stand on my
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Speaker 3: own witnesses, because very often I've had witnesses come on
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Speaker 3: for the defense. I remember one, very notably Daryl Cohen.
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Speaker 3: They came on trying to tell me he saw what
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Speaker 3: he saw the night of a murderer. I guess the
23:40
Speaker 3: defense did not count on me going to the scene
23:44
Speaker 3: and pointing out that that point of view was absolutely
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Speaker 3: impossible because there's a thick hedge of bushes about six
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Speaker 3: feet tall between the eyewitness and the murder.
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Speaker 2: Impossible unless he flew over the hedge and look down.
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Speaker 3: To see the murder. So I don't believe any eyewitness
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Speaker 3: until they're tested by cross examination. And as a matter
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Speaker 3: of fact, Darryl Cohen in the Black and White Letter
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Speaker 3: of the Law, eyewitnesses can be tested as to their vision,
24:17
Speaker 3: the lighting, the distance at which they saw what they
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Speaker 3: claimed to have seen. I mean, it's.
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Speaker 2: Laid out in black and white how a so called
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Speaker 2: eyewitness can be cross examined.
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Speaker 3: So I'd like to get a.
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Speaker 2: Hold of those eyewitnesses myself and see what's left of
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Speaker 2: them after I finish.
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Speaker 9: I'd like to know what these eyewitnesses have to say.
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Speaker 9: I would like to be able to cross examine them.
24:41
Speaker 9: I'm with you, but let's assume their testimony is impeccable.
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Speaker 9: It doesn't stop the police. It doesn't stop the prosecutor
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Speaker 9: the courts from trying this guy. And if the statue
24:52
Speaker 9: of limitations is running out. I would rather have some
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Speaker 9: prosecutoral time incarceration than nothing at all. And if somehow
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Speaker 9: he does this again, we'll get him.
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Speaker 3: Explain what you're talking about.
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Speaker 9: Him and I both know. There are times we know
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Speaker 9: a person is guilty as a prosecutor, but we don't
25:10
Speaker 9: have enough evidence, and the statute of limitations is running
25:14
Speaker 9: And in our country we wouldn't have to worry about
25:16
Speaker 9: a murder statue limitations. It doesn't exist, but there in
25:20
Speaker 9: Portugal it apparently does. So they can arrest him, they
25:25
Speaker 9: can try him and keep him incarcerated and keep the
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Speaker 9: case running as long as possible, and if he is acquitted,
25:33
Speaker 9: so be it. But he's spent time in jail, in prison,
25:38
Speaker 9: and also his name, his likeness, his face is all
25:43
Speaker 9: over the media, all over the press, and that's all
25:46
Speaker 9: he has to do is breathe again, and they've got
25:48
Speaker 9: him for something else. Sometimes you have to get even
25:52
Speaker 9: more than getting him the way you really want to.
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Speaker 2: Let me just say, officially, I don't know what you're
25:58
Speaker 2: talking about.
25:59
Speaker 3: Charlie Lane and joining us from dailymail dot com. This
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Speaker 3: guy is a child sex predator? What is his record?
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Speaker 2: Why has he been labeled already a child six predator
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Speaker 2: at the time he.
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Speaker 3: Was skulking around Maddy McCann's airbnb.
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Speaker 4: I mean this man is not just a child sex predator.
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Speaker 4: He I mean he was described by a woman he
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Speaker 4: used to be in a relationship with as a human pig.
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Speaker 4: He has perpetrated so many sex crimes against children, against
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Speaker 4: women ranging in ages from as you said, a seventy
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Speaker 4: two year old American citizen who he has understood to
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Speaker 4: have raped in Portugal in two thousand and five. Now,
26:42
Speaker 4: he was not convicted of that crime until twenty nineteen.
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Speaker 3: He is currently.
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Speaker 10: Serving a jail sentence for that crime, seven year jailsen,
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Speaker 10: hold on, hold on, you know what, Charlie, you know
26:54
Speaker 10: the fact so well listening to us like drinking from
26:56
Speaker 10: the fire hydront is too much too fast.
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Speaker 3: Lets did you hear what Charlie likes and just said.
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Speaker 3: This guy, Christian Brickner, is just now serving a seven
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Speaker 3: year sentence on a two thousand and five rate of
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Speaker 3: an elderly woman in Portugal, same place is where Maddie
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Speaker 3: was stolen. That's a seven year sentence and he just
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Speaker 3: now has started serving it. And it started the event
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Speaker 3: happened in two thousand and five, So you've got that.
27:28
Speaker 3: Then you've got him being connected to the rape of
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Speaker 3: an Irish tour represented in two thousand and four, exposing
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Speaker 3: himself to children on a playground. But there's another little
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Speaker 3: girl where he was near her at the time.
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Speaker 2: She goes to me saying, she looks so much like
27:46
Speaker 2: Maddie what about that case?
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Speaker 4: So much so that she was actually nicknamed German Maddie
27:52
Speaker 4: in the media. This was in twenty sixteen, and this
27:55
Speaker 4: is actually the first case that made people connect Christian
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Speaker 4: Bruckner to the Maddie mccancakes, because the similarities between the
28:04
Speaker 4: two was so astounding that it didn't seem plausible that
28:08
Speaker 4: he couldn't have been connected to the Madeline mccancase. But
28:12
Speaker 4: it's not until six years later that we're actually hearing
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Speaker 4: for the very first time that he's been named a suspect.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Angie, hold the thought. Hold the thought, because I
28:22
Speaker 3: want to hear it, but I want to analyze what
28:24
Speaker 3: you just said, Doctor Angie.
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Speaker 2: With me is renowned psychiatrist, doctor Angela Arnold. Doctor Angie,
28:31
Speaker 2: I remember a case. You might remember it too, Darryl Cohen.
28:35
Speaker 2: It's the case. I tried this guy's serial killer. I
28:39
Speaker 2: got him on one and his victim will forever be
28:45
Speaker 2: a Jane Doe.
28:46
Speaker 3: She has never been identified. That's really hard to prove
28:49
Speaker 3: that kind of case because you can't if you don't
28:51
Speaker 3: know the victim. You don't know who they hung out with,
28:53
Speaker 3: where they're from, who was their last boyfriend. Anyway, she's found.
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Speaker 2: Strangled, rape out in a feel long story short, I
29:04
Speaker 2: got a bead on the purp, so I started looking
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Speaker 2: for people that knew the purp.
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Speaker 3: I found his girlfriend, the mother of his child, who
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Speaker 3: had kicked him out for trying to strangle her.
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Speaker 2: I found another woman he tried to strangle in the
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Speaker 2: Fulton No. She was in the Gwnette.
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Speaker 3: County jail, Daryl.
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Speaker 2: I had a reconstructionist draw the picture of what the
29:28
Speaker 2: dead victim would have looked like in life. Guess who
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Speaker 2: she looked like, almost identically looked like twins his girlfriend
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Speaker 2: that had rejected him and thrown him out of the house.
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Speaker 3: And I put those two pictures, those two sketches, up
29:46
Speaker 3: in front of the jury and argued, who would have
29:50
Speaker 3: killed this woman other than the man who was rejected
29:55
Speaker 3: by this woman? Did you hear what Charlie Langston just
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Speaker 3: said that German Maddie looks just like Maddie McCann. Doctor Angie, what.
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Speaker 14: About it, Nancy. The fact of the matter is, I
30:10
Speaker 14: don't understand why all of this information is being ignored
30:14
Speaker 14: because we have known for a very long time that, unfortunately,
30:19
Speaker 14: sexual predators do not change their stripes, and they will
30:24
Speaker 14: continue and continue their behavior until they are stopped, which
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Speaker 14: is why in the United States we have sexual predator
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Speaker 14: list that we put them on. Nancy. They are incapable
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Speaker 14: of being rehabilitated.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Angie.
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Speaker 2: Everything you just said is correct, but that is not
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Speaker 2: responsive to the question I asked.
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Speaker 3: I asked you about the physical similarities in victims. Why
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Speaker 3: the perpetrators do.
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Speaker 14: That, Because they're playing out their fantasy, whatever it is,
30:57
Speaker 14: they're playing it out through another person that looks just
30:59
Speaker 14: like that. It's it's it's right out there, Nancy. It's
31:03
Speaker 14: it's simple. We're not looking for a zebra. They are
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Speaker 14: acting it out on someone who looks just like.
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Speaker 4: The other person.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: According to reports, this mystery couple were quote alcoholics. The
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Speaker 2: wife had been drinking near the Ocean Club the night
31:32
Speaker 2: Mattie went missing from the ocean club. The report also
31:37
Speaker 2: claims the couple's neighbor told police she heard them arguing
31:43
Speaker 2: loudly the day after Mattie goes missing. She heard the
31:48
Speaker 2: husband yelling why did you bring her? Over and over
31:53
Speaker 2: and over this according to reports, But what do we know?
31:58
Speaker 2: Prosecutors have stated specifically about Christian Bruckner their number one suspect.
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Speaker 3: Charlie Langston.
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Speaker 2: It has been reported that prosecutors are quote one hundred
32:11
Speaker 2: percent sure that Christian Bruckner is the part that took Maddie.
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Speaker 3: Why now? And what do you think the evidence is?
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the evidence is all circumstantial in
32:26
Speaker 4: terms of he is just a truly horrendous man who
32:31
Speaker 4: has perpetrated crime after crime after crime against women and children.
32:36
Speaker 4: He has a history of perpetrating crimes exactly like that
32:41
Speaker 4: one in the Maddie McCann case. Now, we said earlier
32:44
Speaker 4: it wasn't his mo typically to you know, murder one
32:49
Speaker 4: of his victims. However, I think it's important to remember
32:53
Speaker 4: the media fraw around this case was so extraordinary that
32:58
Speaker 4: there would have been no way for someone to perpetrate
33:02
Speaker 4: this crime and not be charged with it had she
33:07
Speaker 4: returned to her parents, had she been found, had the
33:11
Speaker 4: police managed to track her down in one way or another,
33:14
Speaker 4: there's no way that the person who committed this crime
33:18
Speaker 4: wouldn't have been found. So I think tragically, While I
33:22
Speaker 4: understand how important it was to her parents to call
33:26
Speaker 4: attention to this case, I think the enormous public interest
33:31
Speaker 4: in it may well have sealed Maddie's death. And that,
33:36
Speaker 4: to me is the most horrendous thing about this. It
33:38
Speaker 4: took the police so long to begin properly investigating this
33:43
Speaker 4: case that Maddie could have survived had they actually pulled
33:47
Speaker 4: their thocks up and gotten on with things in the
33:50
Speaker 4: you know, from the get go.
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Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying if she has still been alive,
33:53
Speaker 2: but Greg Smith joining us a special Deputy sheriff, the
33:57
Speaker 2: reality is when children are taking and at this age,
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Speaker 2: typically they are killed.
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Speaker 3: Within the first seventy six hours.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, Nancy, that's I mean, that's the modus operandi
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Speaker 8: for young children, you know. And I don't know that
34:13
Speaker 8: media attention is a bad thing, maybe a double edged sword,
34:19
Speaker 8: but Kelsey's case had a heck of a lot of
34:23
Speaker 8: media attention. We were on every news outlet in the
34:25
Speaker 8: United States and even international, and while Kelsey didn't come
34:29
Speaker 8: home alive, she came home. We found her.
34:31
Speaker 3: Now I'm thinking about what you're saying, guys.
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Speaker 2: Uh, for those of you just joining us, an official
34:38
Speaker 2: suspect has finally been named in the disappearance of a
34:42
Speaker 2: three year old little girl, Maddie McCann. Take a listen
34:46
Speaker 2: to Hour Cut twenty eight our friend Alison Roberts.
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Speaker 17: Yesterday they issued a statement saying that on Wednesday an
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Speaker 17: individual had been named as an official suspect and that
34:58
Speaker 17: was an international request from Portugal to the German authorities
35:03
Speaker 17: to inform that person of interest that they have been
35:06
Speaker 17: made an official suspect. Your previous into interviewees said, this
35:10
Speaker 17: is always a significant step because it means effectively that
35:12
Speaker 17: someone is being or will soon be questioned under caution.
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Speaker 3: That's the same questions maybe that.
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Speaker 18: Could incriminate them, which gives them the right not to answer,
35:21
Speaker 18: of course, so it's actually a status to protect that individual.
35:25
Speaker 18: But it is always significant as it's a necessary prelude
35:28
Speaker 18: to charges at some point, although there is no sign
35:30
Speaker 18: of that just yet.
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Speaker 3: No sign of official charges. After he has been named
35:35
Speaker 3: a suspect what does that mean, Charlie. He's been named
35:38
Speaker 3: an official suspect, so why want charges naturally follow?
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Speaker 4: Well, what I think is the next most obvious step
35:46
Speaker 4: is that he will be extradited from Germany to Portugal,
35:50
Speaker 4: and that is when charges may well be brought against him.
35:54
Speaker 4: But right now I think what is going on behind
35:57
Speaker 4: the scenes is that Portuguese authority is in conjunction with
36:00
Speaker 4: German authorities, are scrambling to try and get as much
36:04
Speaker 4: evidence as humanly possible, to try and get some witnesses
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Speaker 4: who will come forward and at least say I saw
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Speaker 4: him at this place, I saw him here. I know
36:15
Speaker 4: that he is a sex offender, whatever it may be.
36:19
Speaker 4: And right now I think the most important thing is
36:22
Speaker 4: that he has been named as a suspect again, the
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Speaker 4: first official suspect, which marks at least a step forward
36:30
Speaker 4: in a case that has been dragging on for more
36:33
Speaker 4: than a decade now.
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Speaker 3: Charlie, were Maddy's parents ever named official suspects?
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Speaker 4: Yes, they were named as official persons of interest way
36:42
Speaker 4: back in two thousand and seven, and interestingly, at the
36:47
Speaker 4: time they had a huge amount of public criticism aimed
36:51
Speaker 4: at them. They were accused of neglect Portuguese authorities suspected
36:55
Speaker 4: that Madeleine had died in a tragic accident in the
36:58
Speaker 4: apartment that her parents had then tried to cover up. Now.
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Speaker 4: They stopped being official suspects in two thousand and eight,
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Speaker 4: when Portuguese authorities dropped the case completely because there was
37:10
Speaker 4: a lack of evidence. Ever since then, not a single
37:14
Speaker 4: official suspect has been named until now.
37:17
Speaker 3: Take a los to Araka twenty nine our friend Martin Bradt.
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Speaker 5: It's hardly been a secret. The German drifter has been
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Speaker 5: the main suspect in the Madeline Macan case for three
37:27
Speaker 5: years or more, but now it's official. Christian b is
37:31
Speaker 5: suspected of abducting and killing Madeline. German prosecutors are leading
37:36
Speaker 5: the investigation but haven't charged him. The British girl was
37:40
Speaker 5: three when she vanished from the family's holiday apartment in
37:44
Speaker 5: Portugal in two thousand and seven. This week, the suspect
37:48
Speaker 5: had visitors to the German prison where he's serving a
37:52
Speaker 5: rape sentence. He was told that Portuguese prosecutors had made
37:56
Speaker 5: him an arguido, a formal suspect. He was questioned for
38:00
Speaker 5: the first time but refused to answer, So.
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Speaker 3: It's Rerllie Langston being named a formal suspect there in
38:07
Speaker 3: that jurisdiction. That's the first time cops could question.
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Speaker 4: Him, Yes, the first time, and he remained entirely silent throughout.
38:17
Speaker 4: He refused to answer a single question. But interestingly, a
38:22
Speaker 4: woman that he was in a relationship with previously, she
38:26
Speaker 4: came forward last week and she said that he told
38:29
Speaker 4: her in twenty thirteen, I know what happened to little Maddie.
38:34
Speaker 4: She also suggested that he may have been the abductor,
38:37
Speaker 4: the abuser, and that he may have passed Maddie off
38:41
Speaker 4: to someone else. So there are still an extraordinary number
38:45
Speaker 4: of questions surrounding this case. However, the mere fact that
38:49
Speaker 4: he's been named as an official suspect, I really can't
38:52
Speaker 4: overstate what a key step forward that is in this case,
38:58
Speaker 4: especially given that he's only the third person when you
39:01
Speaker 4: look at Kate and Jerry McCann, only the third official
39:04
Speaker 4: suspect to ever be named by Portuguese authorities.
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Speaker 3: Is justice delayed?
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Speaker 2: Justice denied because now we learn this unnamed British man,
39:14
Speaker 2: the husband has died and we don't.
39:17
Speaker 3: Know if the wife's still alive.
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Speaker 2: In front page reports, papers claimed police refused to cooperate
39:25
Speaker 2: in the investigation of a clue that pointed to Mattie
39:29
Speaker 2: McCann being run over and the possibility a couple disposed
39:33
Speaker 2: of her body hours later in the Ocean.
39:38
Speaker 1: Now a woman went to police to say she.
39:41
Speaker 2: Suspected her brother was involved in the disappearance of Mattie McCann.
39:46
Speaker 2: She said her brother was an alcoholic and since the
39:49
Speaker 2: day Mattie vanished, he was hiding a painful secret.
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Speaker 1: Hmm, and now he's dead. Oh my stars.
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Speaker 2: Whether it's true or not, if Bruckner ever goes to trial,
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Speaker 2: this will be fodder for the defense. They can argue
40:08
Speaker 2: he didn't do it, this couple did. The husband's not
40:11
Speaker 2: alive anymore to defend himself or say anything otherwise. We
40:16
Speaker 2: wait as justice un false.
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Speaker 11: Goodbye friend,