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Healing with Frequency: Vibration, Consciousness & the Future of Medicine with Dr. Har Hari Khalsa | Ep 24 Live Free Ride Free · Live Free Ride Free with Rupert Isaacson

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Okay.
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Today we're looking at alternative medicine and we're looking
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at the sort of new generation where technology meets medicine
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biotechnology, medical technology.
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So most, most of us are used to thinking of alternative.
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medicine as medical practices like Ayurveda and so on and so on.
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But in recent decades, and increasingly in an accelerated way,
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there's been a great upsurge in the understanding of vibration frequency.
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As medicine and many companies, especially in Europe creating devices
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that are now being adopted by doctors and other types of practitioner worldwide.
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And so it's, it's really worth taking a dive.
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So I've got with me Ha Hari Khalsa, who's a doctor, a chiropractic
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doctor from Los Angeles with us.
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Ha Hari, thanks for coming on.
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Who are you and what do you do?
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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Well, I'm really honored to be here.
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First of all, thank you so much for spending the time to listen and hear me.
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I, well, I've been a chiropractor since 1988.
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I've been in the holistic realm doing, you know, with yoga, meditation,
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vegetarian lifestyle since 1980.
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So it's about 40, 40, 45 years now, actually.
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It started when I was young, when I was 20.
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And so I, I've always been a, you know, very open to holistic methods of healing
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since I was 20 basically I, my history is I, I was kind of like a daredevil
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when I was a kid, and I ended up by the time I was 20 I was in chronic pain from
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a lot of different skiing accidents.
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Clip diving, getting hit by trucks, all different kind of things happening.
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But bottom line was by the time I was 20, I was racked in pain.
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And the medical doctors told me that I had the spine of a 70 year old at 20.
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And I was like, Oh my God, that's not good.
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Rupert Isaacson: Seven year old or a 70 year old.
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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I would, I would know I was 20 and I had the spine of a 70 year old.
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Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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I was 20.
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So I was like, Okay, what do I do?
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So the medical doctors, you know, I was, I didn't know anything about
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holistic medicine at that point.
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All I knew was, I went to a medical doctor maybe once or twice my whole
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life and I didn't even know anything about chiropractic And so I just did
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what the medical doctors told me to do go to the physical therapist take
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drugs You know, so I did that for like a year and really nothing changed.
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I was still in pain and what happened was I was in a yoga
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class and I Told the yoga teacher.
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I said, listen, it's hard for me to do the yoga because it's so much pain.
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What, you know, what, what do you have?
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What, what can you suggest?
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He said, well, you should go to see a chiropractor.
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And I'm like, well, what is a chiropractor?
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I didn't even know, you know, what chiropractic is only used by about
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less than 10 percent of the population.
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In the United States, probably worldwide, too.
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I mean, it's not well known.
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It's been actively suppressed for probably over 100 years by the medical profession.
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Unfortunately, they because we're a direct threat to their livelihood, right?
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Rightfully so, because a lot of chiropractic actually does work.
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So in my case, it did work.
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It helped me Get out of the pain I was in and then that, that's
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kind of what launched me into the idea of even being a chiropractor.
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I was on the path of actually going to medical school and
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I was in a very young age.
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I was working in biotech.
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I actually worked in a company that made heart valves.
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when I was 16.
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So I was very science oriented.
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I really was passionate about medicine and I really thought
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I wanted to be a medical doctor because I didn't know any different.
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But once I met the chiropractor, it was like light bulbs went off.
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I was like, Oh my God, this is what I want to do.
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So it made a whole lot of sense to me.
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And at the time my chiropractor was also a naturopath.
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So he was working with homeopathy And cranial, you know doing cranial
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work pretty even for chiropractic.
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He was exotic back then and so I was totally blown away by that experience
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and it it really propelled me into the whole world of holistic healing And so
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I've, you know, been practicing, like I said, since 1988 as a chiropractor and
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I've studied pretty much consistently.
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I've never stopped studying ever since I got out of school.
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School is just to get you started.
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But if you're a true healer, you're still You're studying and
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researching your entire life.
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So I literally have been studying and researching this field of
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holistic medicine for 44 years.
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That's how I kind of came to where I'm at now.
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Rupert Isaacson: So chiropractic how is that different from osteopathy?
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Can you give us the one, two, three on that?
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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Okay, so they're they're like parallel professional, the original.
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Okay, so there's a big difference about current, but the original osteopaths
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and chiropractors were doing manual therapy, you know, adjusting the spine
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with their hands, you know, slightly different flavor, different techniques,
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but Basically, the idea was to unblock the vertebra said you had proper nerve flow.
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Your body works better, right?
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That's the nuts and bolts of it.
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But what happened over the years was the osteopaths.
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went more into mainstream medicine and started, you know,
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incorporating drugs and surgery.
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And now they're more like at the status of say, a orthopedic doctor
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where the chiropractors stay in the realm of drug free medicine, but
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still focusing on manual therapy.
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I would say those are like the overarching big picture type thing.
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You know, within those professions you do have holistic practitioners in both.
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Like for example, Dr.
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Mercola.
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I don't know if you know who that is.
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Dr.
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Joe.
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Rupert Isaacson: Dr.
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Who?
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Sorry.
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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Mercola.
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Dr.
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Joe Mercola.
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He tell me about Dr.
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Joe
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Rupert Isaacson: Cola.
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No, tell me about him.
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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Well, he's, he's probably the best known holistic doctor in the world.
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He's got, he was, you know, during the era, he was, he was the number
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one band doctor on the internet.
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They took him down.
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He was one of the first guys they took down.
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But he has a huge following.
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You have to search for it though, because they, you know, they
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banned him off the internet.
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So, but he's an osteopath, but he's, he's deep, very deep.
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He's one of my mentors.
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I follow him daily.
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He, you know, has a newsletter that he puts out every day about different
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topics, but he's an osteopath, right?
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So there's, there's a lot of crossover, but I'd say, you know,
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in, in general, it's the same concept, but with different flavors.
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Rupert Isaacson: Got it.
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I'm looking up Dr.
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Joe Mercola,
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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take
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Rupert Isaacson: control of your health.
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Physician, 70 years old just, this is just for the listeners so that they know I'm
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quickly, I quickly jumped on my phone.
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Here we go.
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Dr.
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Joseph McCullough is a physician and New York times bestselling author.
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He was voted the ultimate wellness game changer by the Huffington post and has
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been featured in okay, blah, blah, blah.
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His mission is to transform the traditional medicine medical paradigm
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in the United States into one in which the root cause of disease is treated
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The root cause of disease is treated rather than the symptoms in addition He
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aims to expose corporate and government fraud and mass media hype that often
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sends people down an unhealthy path Yeah, they'll get you crucified for sure
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But he seems to be doing all right up there on the cross I'm just also while
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you were talking you because you were you were mentioning, you know, the
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history of chiropractic being over a hundred years old and I I looked that
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up and it's indeed, I see that it's indeed true, which I didn't know.
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I just want to, for the listeners, just give you a couple of
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paragraphs of this because I think it helps to provide context.
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So, I'm on Wikipedia.
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The history of chiropractic began in 1895.
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When Daniel David Palmer of Iowa performed the first chiropractic
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adjustment on a partially deaf janitor, Harvey Lillard, while Lillard was
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working without his shirt on in Palmer's office, Lillard bent over to empty
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the trash can and Palmer noticed that Lillard had a vertebra out of position.
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He asked Lillard what happened, and Lillard replied, I moved the wrong
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way and I heard a pop in my back, and that's when I lost my hearing.
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Palmer, who was also involved in many other natural healing philosophies,
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had Lillard lie face down on the floor and proceeded with the adjustment.
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The next day, Lillard told Palmer, I can hear the racket on the streets.
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This experience led Palmer to open a school of chiropractic two years later.
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Reveal, Reverend Samuel H.
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Weed coined the term chiropractic by combining the Greek words chiro,
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hand, and praktikos, doing or
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Okay.
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Interesting.
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So of course I've gone to chiropractors in my life.
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And usually I've gone for an adjustment, but I wouldn't say I've
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gone for any kind of health condition.
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And I wouldn't say that I've noticed a.
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uptick in my physical health or mental health either way, other
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than the relief of tension.
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But do you think I should have?
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Or does that just mean that maybe I was doing fine and there wasn't
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anything really that much to fix?
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Or what's your take on that?
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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Well, that's a really deep question you're asking, because the thing is,
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is back then, you know, over, you know, back in the 1800s, you know,
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when Didi was alive, there was a lot less toxicity and electromagnetic
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stress in the, on the planet.
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You know, we didn't have, how did you know I
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Rupert Isaacson: was that old?
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Well, I just,
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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then I look great, but the thing is like back then, you know, we
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didn't, we, you know, think about it.
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Like right now we have over 80, 000 environmental toxins that are in our body.
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As we speak, every human on the planet has 80, 000 environmental
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pollutants in our body, heavy metals, organic bottle compounds,
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forever chemicals, nanoplastics.
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There's only eight.
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There's over 80, 000 of them that are in our body.
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So those things are disruptors of hormones.
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It interferes with mitochondrial function.
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It's causing so, so much havoc within ourselves that a
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chiropractic adjustment 100 years ago could cure something like it.
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Like deafness or cancer or whatever, just because you're releasing the
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pressure on a nerve, the problem now that we face and what you said is a
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perfect analogy is the chiropractic adjustment now is only going to relieve
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maybe 10 percent of your interference because now you've got electromagnetic
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stress and all these environmental factors that are shutting down and
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inhibiting your proper cell function.
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Rupert Isaacson: There's a question that I often wonder with that, you
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know, when one reads obviously I'm a journalist, so, you know, I always go,
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hmm, you know, whenever I read anything, including anything I write or anything
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I say but one frequently has a picture presented of this is sort of the most,
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you know, toxic time we've ever lived.
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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Hmm.
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Rupert Isaacson: Is it?
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I remember, for example, as a boy in London, the pea super fogs.
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That don't exist anymore before the Clean Air Act came in.
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And I remember people had tuberculosis.
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I remember people had various types of conditions.
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There was polio.
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There were other things as well, you know,
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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do, but, you know, do you know the word polio?
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This is something I just
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Rupert Isaacson: figured out.
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Uhhuh
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, Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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they changed the definition.
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So now when you get gi, gi, Gillian Beret syndrome, you
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know that syndrome that you get?
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I,
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Rupert Isaacson: I do not, no.
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Gillian Beret.
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Well anyway.
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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Bottom line is they changed the definition.
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Rupert Isaacson: Ah, well that's handy.
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People still get
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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polio.
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They just don't call it that anymore.
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We
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Rupert Isaacson: had that, we had that with a , a nuclear reactor in England
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in the eighties, who, which had a leak, so it was called wind scale.
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So the government solved the problem by changing the name of the reactor
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to sell a field, and, and it worked.
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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I mean, the tricks they play on us.
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So that's,
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Rupert Isaacson: but nonetheless, I remember people's health being
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severely compromised back then.
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And then, you know, I spent a lot of time in the parts of the world, like,
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you know, India or say Turkey in the winter, you know, where you get, you
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know, coal fired stuff, you know, in the way you go to Delhi right now, you
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know, like massive, massive pollution.
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But that was.
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Europe.
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And that certainly was the United States in any industrial industrialized city,
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even certainly a hundred years ago.
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So people were dropping like flies from all sorts of toxicities.
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And of course things weren't controlled.
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Foods were not controlled.
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People were taking all kinds of terrible things and dying from them
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and getting diseases from them.
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So are things actually more toxic now or are we just more aware of it?
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Sorry to say that.
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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Yeah, the thing is, is that back then, there was maybe 20 things, right?
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20.
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Now we've got 80, 000.
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That's a huge difference.
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That are, you know, forever chemicals.
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That means they're not going away.
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They're in the environment.
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They're circulating through.
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And yet we
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Rupert Isaacson: live longer.
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And our bodies last longer.
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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Right, and the reason is because we got better hygiene, you know, everything
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in our lives are improved since a hundred years ago, mainly because
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of hygiene, sewage waste treatment.
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Penicillin.
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There's a lot of things we've done right, but over 50 percent of the
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population is suffering from some sort of chronic or autoimmune disease.
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That's not That's not normal
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Rupert Isaacson: that I'll give you.
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Also, you know, for me, I'm lucky because the lifestyle I live I have
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all parallel career where we, I train horses and we are constantly, constantly,
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you know, hours and hours and hours a day out there in nature doing that.
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So if I go for a chiropractic adjustment, it's because,
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you know, something happened.
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But.
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In general, I'm moving, I'm limber, I'm out in nature, I'm breathing
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in a lot of poo particles from herbivores, which is good for me.
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I know they're
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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probably healthy for you.
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I'm
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Rupert Isaacson: told that's very good for the, for the, my gut
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bacteria and so on and so on.
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There's been an interesting study on dairy farmers in in the Netherlands
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who don't seem to get cancer even though they're chain smokers.
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And it seems to come down from what I read to the inhalation over decades of cow poo.
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So
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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they're getting all the healthy microbiome.
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Rupert Isaacson: Indeed.
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So I'm, I'm, I'm a believer.
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I believe in poo, but those who know me know how much I believe in poo.
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But I, you know, so it's, it's interesting to me because we, we
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often get this picture presented to us of, Oh my God, we're in crisis.
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And if you look back at every generation for as long as written records, you'll
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see, Oh my God, we're in crisis.
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However, perhaps what's true is that the crisis.
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I have a very good friend.
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Whose dad had a great if you've got a problem, get a bigger one.
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So maybe, you know, but that doesn't mean, and I I'm, I'm, I'm just
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being, I'm not being flippant, but I'm being, I want to raise these
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questions because I do think that.
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One of the ills of our age is people perceiving themselves as unwell.
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When they might or might not be.
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And that, I think, is sometimes as big an issue as people actually
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being unwell because of lifestyle.
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It's, it's a funny, strange line that people have to tread now.
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What do you think about that?
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Because we get so much negative stuff through the media.
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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You know, you have your epigenetic stressors, which are the things that
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are environmental like what we're talking about, but also personal history
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trauma that we store in ourselves.
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It's cell memory, right?
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And that's not only personal, it's also transpersonal.
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So You know what you're saying?
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Like people are unwell, they don't know why, you know, and a lot of times
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it's not because of them, it could be because of the group think, you know,
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when we were in the midst of COVID, the group think was very, very demented and
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weird, you know, you gotta wear a mask, you gotta, you know, it was all based
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on lies, you know, so we're being pre programmed societally to believe a lie.
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I never believed it from day one, but you know, I, I'm just one little guy,
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but you know, most of the population of the world bought into the lie of COVID,
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which was, you know, you gotta wear a mask and six feet of this and this, and
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this, you know, it was just made up.
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We know now it's all fraud, but back then everybody took it real seriously
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because it was like a life threatening thing, you know, and you're right.
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Like we're always being presented with the next.
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You know, dangerous thing, you know, and you know, the way I kind of, the
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way I perceive it for me anyway, it's like, you have to live your life like
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you're Neo in the matrix, like, you got to realize, first of all, you're
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in a matrix, and the matrix is there to control you, and your job is to
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break the chains of that control.
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On the physical and the emotional and the mental, all three.
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Rupert Isaacson: Has it not always been so, here I go again?
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So, if you were in where I'm sitting now, interviewing you from Germany, if we'd
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been sitting here 85 years ago, if I'd been sitting here 85 years ago, there
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would have been a groupthink going on.
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That said, do some very, very, very bad and reckless things as a nation.
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And believe in this wholeheartedly.
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Go off and commit a bunch of atrocities and then destroy yourselves.
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And everyone went, I'll hit that.
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So it's not the first time we can eat
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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animals.
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You know, we're not a whole lot different than elk or deer, you know, let's go
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Rupert Isaacson: take back the Holy land, you know, 12th century
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France, you know, or let's go.
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Make Europe under Islam, you know, the Ottoman Empire or the 8th century.
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So those group thinks for, for conquest and sort of negative, you know, the
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Mongols, you know, let's kill everybody.
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We get everybody from the Pacific to the Mediterranean every two generations.
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So those types of negative group thinks have been around for a bit.
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Are we any different now?
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Really?
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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I think we're just more sophisticated with it.
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We have way more.
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Input through our antenna.
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You know, our brain is an antenna, and we're getting massively way
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more data coming in than we've ever had in the history of the planet.
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Like, you know, they talk about AI.
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We are AI.
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Our brains are hooked in.
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We don't need a chip in our brain.
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We already have the internet and we're hooked in planetarily.
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Just the fact that you and me are sitting here talking, I'm in
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Los Angeles, you're in Germany.
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I mean, it's happening all over the planet, but
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Rupert Isaacson: that's an essentially good thing because
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here we are disseminating information that for well being.
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Right.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I, I, these things are always seem to be balanced out.
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I'm only, I'm only raising these questions because I'm, I'm playing devil's advocate.
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I'm a great believer in all of the, um, movements within alternative medicine
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because I myself have seen, experienced and, and delved into many of them.
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And I also know, you know, that to some degree, the history of the.
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American you know, Physicians Association and how that monopoly was deliberately
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created in the sort of 1920s and so on.
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And what medicine looked like before that and what it's looked
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like since and so on and so on.
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So it's, It's been an, it's an evolution and I do want to get into this.
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One thing more though I want to ask you about you.
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So you are called Har Hari Khalsa.
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And you're sitting opposite me wearing a Sikh turban.
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But I don't think you were born a Sikh.
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Now and Sikhism is a very interesting and very specific philosophy
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and way of life, as you know.
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So me growing up in, in London and You know, the Commonwealth and the aftermath
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of the Empire and all of that and then having spent quite a lot of time in
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India myself I'm somewhat familiar with Sikhism and I know that Khalsa is a is
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a High, I think you can't really use the word caste within within Sikhism
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because As far as I know, Carl, no
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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s is just a, you know, it's like Smith or Jones.
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It's a common
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Rupert Isaacson: No, no, no.
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It's, it's the, the s were a very, very influential and high born clan.
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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Yeah.
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Well, in the pun, Punjab.
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In Benal.
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It's not about birth.
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Were they, were sort top of about birth.
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It's not a birth oriented thing.
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It is a.
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Conscious commitment to consciousness, like to pure calls.
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It means pure words, right?
23:17
So it's basically living a pure lifestyle, you know, when I started that meant being
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a vegetarian doing yoga Meditating every day, you know, but purity basically,
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that's what calls the means and it and I think it transcends religion In the sense
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of I think the thing that differentiates the Sikhs from every other religion
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is technically Sikh is not a religion.
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Sikh means student of the truth.
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Right.
23:48
And so that's why I embrace it at a very young age because I, I
23:53
recognized a lot of falsehood and lack of integrity in modern religion.
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I was born Jewish and I respect the religions, but for me it wasn't enough.
24:07
I wanted to have a much deeper spiritual experience of spirituality, which you
24:14
get from doing yoga and meditating.
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Rupert Isaacson: So, and Could one not find that within the mystic
24:19
traditions of any religion, though?
24:21
Yeah, exactly.
24:21
But it takes a
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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conscious effort.
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Sufism,
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Rupert Isaacson: you know.
24:25
Yeah,
24:25
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
24:25
well, all these things, it doesn't Okay, we differentiate it, like Sufism, Sikhism,
24:32
but in reality It's being present in the present moment with your breath, with your
24:39
mind, with your body, with your intention.
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We put different labels on that, right?
24:44
But it's meditation is in action.
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It's not a static thing where you're sitting there on a pillow
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and just emptying your mind.
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It's something you, it's your life.
24:56
It's how you live.
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Rupert Isaacson: Right, but I think a lot of, say, Benedictines would say
25:00
the same thing, or Sufis or whatever.
25:03
So why pick, why, you say, why then pick a particular?
25:07
Well, okay, so that's a really good, that's like a personal,
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
25:10
okay, so the question you have there, I, and this is gonna sound very
25:14
bizarre for some of your people, but I'll just tell you my, what happened.
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I, when I was, 19 years old, I saw Sikhs walking on the road and
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I'm like, what the hell is that?
25:26
Like, it just kind of, my brain just went, went into like some kind of spinning.
25:32
I don't even understand.
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Like, I just was like, whoa.
25:35
And then what happened with me is I started taking yoga classes with
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a Sikh Turban Westerner, right.
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In a college at University of Oregon and Eugene.
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And I started having these prophetic dreams.
25:52
While I was, you know, in the midst of doing all this yoga.
25:56
And basically what had happened is I started having a past life recall
26:00
of being with these Sikh gurus in India, and I didn't know who they
26:05
were or why I was having these dreams.
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And I'm like, What the heck?
26:09
You know, because I was seeing clearly these visions of these historical
26:13
events with the Sikh gurus in my dream.
26:17
And I didn't know what it meant and I didn't know who they were.
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And then I found out later who these people were and what the vision was.
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And I'm like, Oh my God, I was, I was in shock.
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I was like, I was a Sikh in my past life.
26:32
If you believe in Palestine, I don't know.
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It's a collective remembering individual, whatever point is, is I had a clear
26:40
vision of being with these gurus.
26:44
You know, historic, and so I happened to be at the same time, Yogi Bhajan,
26:50
who lives, lived here in, in California, he was teaching and there was a
26:56
huge movement of Kundalini Yoga and Sikhism, and I just was like, you
27:01
know what, I'm supposed to be here.
27:03
It was just something I knew I needed to be and I ended up living
27:06
in an ashram in Boulder, Colorado.
27:09
That's, I actually went to school at the University of
27:11
Oregon, University of Colorado.
27:14
And I lived in the ashram for like four years.
27:17
and took up the Sikh lifestyle, which, you know, if you talk, there is
27:23
many Sikhs on the planet, that's how many lifestyles there are of Sikhs.
27:27
There's no such thing.
27:29
Yeah.
27:30
So basically I have my own version of it.
27:33
Let's say, you know, so
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Rupert Isaacson: what's interesting is where, if you were having those
27:37
prophetic dreams, it's very interesting to hear you talk about that.
27:40
And that kind of perhaps answers my question of, you know, if you're
27:43
looking towards the mystic, which is.
27:46
Pan religious or even outside of religion, but religions can certainly
27:51
have their ways of expressing it So I was thinking well, why choose that one?
27:54
I think you've answered that very well, but something something which
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I find interesting about Sikhism is it's so specific, like the history
28:01
of it, they, it's, it's 15th century.
28:04
So right when, you know, the Medici's are beginning to flower in Florence
28:10
and, you know, the reconquest of Spain is happening and the wars of the
28:14
roses are going on in the, in England.
28:16
And, you know, we think of that as the kind of high medieval right at
28:19
the beginning of the Renaissance over there in the Punjab, you've got.
28:23
These blokes who say, Hey let's not, let's not be Muslim or Hindu, even
28:29
though they're sort of coming out of the Hindu thing, let's not do this
28:32
caste thing, which seems to create a lot of suffering and atrocity.
28:36
And Buddhism did the same thing.
28:37
I mean, Buddhism came out of Hinduism as well, and more or less said
28:41
the same thing much, much earlier.
28:43
So this is all fucked up, you know, let's get back to what we should
28:47
actually have an equality and fraternity.
28:48
And so I love that, but what I find intriguing about the Sikhs, and I
28:53
want to ask you about this, they're very, very, very militaristic and
28:57
that the Punjabi warrior culture is you know, one of the most warlike
29:04
in Asia, perhaps in the world.
29:06
And you talked about the, you know, the Khalsa meaning pure, sure, but
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we, there was also the Sikh Khalsa army perhaps something a bit like
29:16
the Unsullied in Game of Thrones.
29:18
And this became such a powerful militarized force that they went on.
29:23
Conquest.
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So they were, they were conquering from the Punjab up
29:27
into Afghanistan and over it.
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You know, they, they were expanding their empire, which means they
29:33
were absolutely putting people to the sword, you know, a lot.
29:37
And then the Brits of course showed up at the empire and went, Oh, they're useful.
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Let's, you know, let's employ them.
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And by the time you had the height of the British Raj, you
29:47
had all these British officers.
29:48
You know, in the Sikh army, and then somewhere around 1850, 1849 actually, the
29:54
British army kind of went, You know what?
29:56
These guys have gotten a bit too powerful.
29:58
Let's just break that up a bit.
30:00
And so then they went to war with the Sikhs and, you know, obviously had
30:04
more firepower and blah blah blah.
30:05
But this, but the Sikh military thing and, and wars of conquest
30:11
that the Sikhs engaged in over centuries seem to go rather against
30:17
these love and peace and fraternity.
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The
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
30:22
thing is you've got to go a little deeper into the Sikh history because the first,
30:27
there were 10 Sikh groups and start with the first nine of them were pacifists.
30:34
peace loving yogi type people, right?
30:38
And what happened is when Guru Govind Singh came on the scene,
30:42
he was the 10th Sikh Guru.
30:43
He was known as the warrior, this soldier saint.
30:46
He was the one who started the Sikh armies, okay?
30:50
And the reason that happened was because the Mughal emperors in India at that
30:55
time were doing The Mughals being
30:57
Rupert Isaacson: the Muslim overlords.
30:59
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
30:59
Yes, they were doing mass, you know, mass Talk about genocide.
31:03
They were killing hundreds of thousands of Hindus at that time.
31:07
And the Sikhs rose up to defend the Hindus.
31:10
That's the original army of the Sikhs that they actually made a pact.
31:15
With the Hindu clans at that time to protect them.
31:20
And then that's where the Sikhs came in is the Kassat catastrophe.
31:25
I'm not saying it right.
31:26
The, the, the warrior class, you know, they actually put themselves in the class
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Rupert Isaacson: of
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
31:31
the warrior cloud to protect the Hindus.
31:34
Okay.
31:35
And then it grew from there because now you've got the expansion and then the.
31:39
You know, the, you know, then the Sikhs got more power because they did defeat,
31:45
eventually did defeat the Mughals.
31:48
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
31:48
And a lot of, you know, prominent army officers in the, in the Indian army
31:52
today are Sikhs, you know, and they, they seem to be the often the ones
31:56
who, who rise to the highest sort of.
31:59
Field marshal, admiral, you know, career career soldiers.
32:03
Okay.
32:04
So, but I, you know, we, we can allow for ambiguity within Catholicism, one can have
32:10
Hildegard of Bingen and Francis of Assisi alongside the Spanish Inquisition and
32:15
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
32:15
and the Crusades.
32:17
I've spent a lot of time in, in Assisi, actually.
32:21
He studied there, did a lot of healing, a lot of my training
32:25
happened in Italy there.
32:27
Rupert Isaacson: I guess, again, the reason I bring it up is I think
32:29
there can be a tendency in the West to sort of eulogize the East for its
32:36
spiritual traditions, you know, and anyone who's ever spent, you know,
32:40
a long time, a bit of time in India kind of looks around and goes, Whoa,
32:44
you guys are brutal to each other.
32:47
But at the same time yes, there is this intense spirituality as well.
32:52
Both exist in parallel with each other, but the, and this paradoxical
32:56
ambiguity, ambiguous nature of this.
33:00
spiritual sort of theater there is definitely very real.
33:06
But I do think that it can be quite naive within the West to think, Oh, well,
33:10
they're all very spiritual over there.
33:12
And we're not very spiritual over here.
33:13
And a little bit more complex, perhaps.
33:18
Okay.
33:18
But I was intrigued, you know, to see that you had adopted the Sikh thing.
33:23
Now tell me about where you were born.
33:25
And so Jewish background, Jewish from where, what type of Judaism?
33:30
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
33:30
Well, I mean, my parents were from the East Coast, but my
33:32
ancestors are from Eastern Europe.
33:34
So they're Ashkenazi Jews.
33:37
Right.
33:37
Same, same as my ancestors.
33:38
Yeah.
33:39
Yeah.
33:39
Belarus.
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I think Lithuania.
33:41
Then we're
33:41
Rupert Isaacson: probably cousins.
33:42
Yeah.
33:43
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
33:43
Yeah.
33:44
There we go.
33:45
You know, so I mean, you know, my, my dad and mom, they, they
33:48
came from the East Coast when I.
33:51
In 1960 when, and they were like the renegades because most of my family
33:57
was planted on the East Coast and they were like, we're escaping this
34:00
place and they went to the West Coast.
34:02
So I was born here in Los Angeles.
34:04
And my parents, I guess, in a way were revolutionaries of their
34:08
own because they were brought up in, I would say, Orthodox Jewish.
34:14
Life, you know, I think one of my grandfathers was a cantor and the other
34:18
was a kosher butcher And my dad moved here and he actually was responsible
34:24
for starting The reform temple, which is the most liberal version of judaism.
34:30
Rupert Isaacson: Okay, but why what got them interested in that?
34:35
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
34:35
Well, I just think, you know, my dad was a hardcore Jew.
34:38
I mean, you know, in the wide
34:40
Rupert Isaacson: reformed temple, why not just go?
34:42
Well, because I
34:43
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
34:43
think that's the thing.
34:45
Like, I think my dad and my mom were a little bit more liberal than the
34:50
normal people, the normal Jews, let's say the conservative Orthodox Jews.
34:55
Right.
34:56
So they, I think there must have been a movement at that time for Reformed
35:01
Judaism, and you know, that's kind of, I didn't even know that until
35:07
after, at my dad's funeral, where they, they told the story about he
35:12
and a group of his friends started the temple that I was bar mitzvahed in.
35:17
I had no idea because they never told me this.
35:20
So did
35:21
Rupert Isaacson: you go to synagogue growing up?
35:22
And well, a lot of people have been bar mitzvahed and maybe only set
35:26
foot in a synagogue once or twice.
35:27
Like a lot of Christians go to Easter, but I mean, I,
35:31
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
35:31
I, I got, you know, I went to what do you call it?
35:33
Hebrew school.
35:34
So I learned Hebrew and you know, and I was a good experience I'd say overall.
35:40
I mean, I think it was, I think the whole tradition of Bar Mitzvah and like
35:45
bringing the young through that, it's kind of like a portal or a, you know.
35:49
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, a rite of passage.
35:51
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
35:51
Rite of passage.
35:52
I think that's very useful.
35:54
I think it was really a good thing.
35:56
But the thing was, is after that, I didn't feel like I was getting
36:00
what I needed from Judaism.
36:03
Like, I felt like it was more of a social gathering versus a true spiritual.
36:08
Rupert Isaacson: Well, that was going to be my question is, if you
36:11
were at a reformed Jewish synagogue, how do you think that, how did,
36:17
how did those ceremonies that, how did that ritual differ from
36:22
quote unquote, normal Orthodox?
36:24
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
36:24
Well, I never had been exposed to Orthodox, so I, I don't really know.
36:28
I mean, I see, I actually, the neighborhood I live in
36:31
right now is in West LA.
36:34
And this is like the home of Orthodox Jews.
36:37
Like there's probably more Orthodox Jews in this neighborhood than there
36:40
are in Israel, or at least the same.
36:43
I mean, it's all Orthodox Jews.
36:45
So I'm around the culture.
36:47
I've been around it now for over 40 years, but I don't, I don't participate.
36:52
Although I know rabbis, you know, the rabbis are always
36:55
trying to get me to come back.
36:57
They're like, come back to our fold.
36:58
I'm like, no, I'm
36:59
Rupert Isaacson: kidding.
36:59
Well, you've got the beard.
37:00
I mean, you know, you're half foot there.
37:01
Yeah.
37:04
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
37:04
I was in a building where I actually, there was an, I was like over two, 20
37:08
years ago, I was in an office where the, the lower part of the building was
37:14
an Orthodox, Persian Orthodox temple.
37:17
Okay.
37:18
That's a very niche.
37:20
They, and, and it was really interesting 'cause they, they
37:24
still to this day sacrifice goats.
37:28
They do ritual sacrifice.
37:29
Rupert Isaacson: The Persian Orthodox.
37:30
The Persian Orthodox.
37:31
How Very interesting.
37:32
Where was that?
37:33
In la?
37:33
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
37:33
Yeah, in LA And I was shocked 'cause I, I was, I was going down in the
37:37
parking lot one day and I'm like, why is there a goat down here?
37:40
And they're like, oh, we're doing a ritual.
37:42
I'm like, what?
37:44
Rupert Isaacson: Interesting.
37:45
That's very, I need to look that up.
37:47
Persian meaning Babylonian, meaning
37:49
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
37:49
Yeah, but
37:51
Rupert Isaacson: meaning Persian from when the Jews were displaced
37:58
to Persia, well to Assyria.
38:03
Yeah, I would assume.
38:04
I don't know the history on that.
38:06
But it's, you know, they're still
38:09
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
38:09
doing animal sacrifice, which I'm fine with.
38:12
I mean, cause I, I sense have changed my eating habits where
38:16
I do eat flesh and eat meat.
38:18
Now I was a vegetarian for 25 years, but
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Rupert Isaacson: Why did you change that out of interest?
38:24
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
38:24
Well, there's a it's a long history.
38:26
My my first wife had cancer and The doctors we were going to at that time
38:34
They all told her she needed to eat meat.
38:36
She'd been a vegetarian for 25 years and so I was of course being her husband.
38:43
I was like, okay, i'm not gonna just let you eat meat.
38:46
I'm gonna eat meat, too and so that kind of Brought me into
38:50
the realm of eating meat again,
38:51
Rupert Isaacson: but why why keep going with it?
38:54
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
38:54
Well, you know, I I think over the years You know being kind of science oriented.
39:01
I listen to a lot of different doctors who you know you know
39:06
the subject of nutrition and
39:09
you know, it seems to me that there's a lot of evidence that
39:14
meat is very beneficial and If it's the right type of meat.
39:18
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
39:19
Well, we are hunter gatherers after all.
39:22
I just, before we move into the various forms of alternative medicine
39:26
that that you are practicing I just want to talk, go down this reform
39:31
Judaism and Persian Judaism rabbit hole, because I'm fascinated.
39:34
So here I go.
39:36
Back on Wikipedia.
39:37
The origins of Reformed Judaism lie in the mid 19th century Germany where
39:43
Rabbi Abraham Geiger and his associates formulated its early principles
39:48
attempting to harmonize Jewish tradition with modern sensibilities in the age
39:52
of emancipation, brought to America By German trained rabbis, the denomination
39:57
gained prominence in the United States, flourishing in the 1860s to
40:01
the 1930s, from the 1860s to the 1930s, in an era known as classical reform.
40:06
Since the 1970s, the movement has adopted a policy of inclusiveness and acceptance,
40:11
inviting as many people as possible to partake in its communities, rather than
40:16
adhering to strict theoretical clarity.
40:19
It's strongly identified with progressive and liberal agendas in
40:22
political and social terms, and this is where it gets interesting, mainly
40:26
under the traditional Jewish rubric.
40:29
Tikkun olam, the repairing of the world.
40:32
Tikkun olam is a central motto of Reform Judaism, and acting in its name is one of
40:38
the main channels for adherents to express their affiliation, the movement's most
40:43
significant centrist in North America.
40:44
So, I've been aware of Tikkun olam for a long time, this idea of, to Repair
40:54
the world through living peacefully through acts of kindness through and this
40:58
being central to particularly Ashkenazi Judaism and very much also Kabbalic which
41:10
incidentally kind of comes around Not a dissimilar time to Sikhism and then
41:17
let's, so it's interesting that you came out of that tradition, the repairing
41:22
of the world, however, however aware of it, you were, you must have been
41:28
hearing that term going on around you.
41:30
Yes, that's
41:31
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
41:31
actually the first time I've heard it.
41:33
Rupert Isaacson: I really, okay.
41:34
But
41:34
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
41:34
I think I mean that, but the thing is, it's not, the word is interesting, but
41:39
I think the ethos was always there.
41:42
Yeah.
41:43
Anyway, because that's, you know, it's like mitzvah, you know, it's like a very
41:47
root thing, understanding of Judaism, that you're, you know, doing good in the world.
41:54
I mean, helping people, you know, doing good, good karma, you know,
42:02
it's real basic stuff, I would say, it's like the most basic stuff.
42:07
Rupert Isaacson: So it's interesting, so the Persian, yeah,
42:09
the Persian Jewish tradition.
42:12
I've got it here.
42:13
So that the destruction of the second Jewish temple, but in
42:16
Jerusalem by Rome in that's the beginning of the diaspora, 70 AD.
42:22
That's when all ritual sacrifice.
42:26
Within Judaism pretty much ended and but yes indeed there had been by
42:33
the rivers of Babylon there, we sat down and and wept how should we sing
42:36
the Lord's song in a strange land?
42:38
You know, we know, we know all this and it carries over into
42:41
Rastafarianism with reggae and stuff.
42:42
But what that refers to is.
42:45
Way earlier than that, in about, I think the 7th century I need to check it B.
42:49
C.
42:50
The Assyria took over Judea and brought, sacked the temple, brought a whole
42:57
bunch of Jews into exile into Babylon and all their national treasures.
43:01
And then it was under, I think, was it under, I can't remember whether it was
43:06
Nebuchadnezzar I think was it Asur?
43:09
Nebuchadnezzar?
43:10
Nebuchadnezzar?
43:12
Nebuchadnezzar maybe was the one, I should check it.
43:14
Who let them go, and let them go back.
43:17
But a lot of them stayed.
43:18
A lot of them stayed, actually no one quite liked it over here.
43:20
Because they've been treated quite well.
43:21
And it does indeed seem that that Persian form of Judaism, which
43:24
includes animal sacrifice, does have its roots with the ones who stayed.
43:29
Yeah.
43:29
It's fascinating that all
43:32
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
43:32
the different cultures in the world have adopted, you know, I think.
43:36
Ethiopia.
43:37
There's Ethiopia.
43:38
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, no, there is.
43:39
And it's, you know, I think a lot of these religions like with Christianity,
43:42
you could really argue that there have always been Christianities and there've
43:47
been Judaisms, you know, you know, so you get the very, very peaceful
43:51
thing of the reparation of the world.
43:54
But if you look at, you know, first set temple Judaism, it's.
43:57
We kill everybody, you know, so that they're not as nice that
44:01
they're just a kind of Kareem.
44:04
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
44:04
Well, you know, there's, there's some, you know, I follow this one guy, his name
44:08
is Cliff High and he, he goes back 6, 000 years and talks about, and I think it's
44:16
mentioned in the Bible is the the Elohim.
44:18
Yeah.
44:19
You know, and that's the plural Elohim.
44:22
It's not the one, it's the plural.
44:24
Rupert Isaacson: Sure.
44:24
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
44:24
And, and he, you know,
44:26
Rupert Isaacson: God's, yeah.
44:28
Huh?
44:28
God.
44:29
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
44:29
Yeah, so, you know, and, and he claims and I don't know if it's him
44:32
or where he's getting that, but that these gods were the ones who created
44:39
that ethos of terror among the Jews.
44:43
Rupert Isaacson: As you know, if you followed any of my work, I'm
44:46
an autism dad and we have a whole career before this podcast in helping
44:53
people with neurodivergence, either who are professionals in the field.
44:58
Are you a therapist?
44:59
Are you a caregiver?
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Oh, yeah, no, I can tell you kind of the theory of that.
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So, Judaism was actually a polytheistic religion.
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It starts with gods, not God.
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It's a Canaanite, you know, so it's from that whole area from
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southern Anatolia down to Egypt.
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They have a bunch of gods, and they are essentially the same gods,
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similar gods to the Mesopotamian gods, because it's the Fertile Crescent
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from, you know, 6, 000 years ago.
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That's where all agriculture and the cities begin, and that
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crescent is from the Gulf of Mecca.
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the Arabian Gulf here, Kuwait, up the Tigris and Euphrates in an arc, whoops,
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a little bit of southern Turkey, and then down through Syria, Lebanon,
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Israel, and along the coast towards, towards Egypt and the Nile Valley.
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But it's, it's, it looks like a big crescent, so hence the fertile crescent.
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And that's where, you know, we see agriculture and.
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The cities as we know them beginning with Sumeria and so on about 6, 000 as
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you say years ago Although there are many alternative timelines of history
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being rewritten which gets very exciting now And but definitely at that time
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Judaism was polytheistic and then it gradually gets whittled down to the
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two main Mesopotamian gods, which is Enki And, um, gosh, his brother
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an, he's the nice one who likes us.
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And then there's oh gosh.
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Neil,
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
47:59
is it Bill and Anky?
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Right?
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How am I,
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Rupert Isaacson: how am I forgetting the, an he's because
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it, he, because it's the bad one.
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Who becomes the nasty one?
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Who doesn't like us?
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Who ends up being the one who gets worshiped?
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And becomes Yahweh, but before he's Yahweh, he's so we've got Enki and Enlil.
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And Enlil, Enlil becomes Yahweh and has a wife, by the way.
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And, you know, in the early temples, all the Yahweh.
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Idols have a wife.
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She gradually sort of disappears from the scene.
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As things get a bit more patriarchal.
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But yeah, it seems that this idea of the angry God, the jealous God was
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this endless back and forth, which the Mesopotamians hadn't between.
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The god who creates us and loves us which is Enlil, and his brother who finds us
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a massive pain in the arse and wants to wipe us out all the time when we cease
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to become useful for mining activities and other slave activities, and has a
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go from time to time, and then Enlil keeps coming along and saving us, and
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then somehow, the Israelites end up with Yahweh not his nicer brother, and then
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they're always trying to appease him.
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And so that's where we get this idea of appeasement and heaven and hell
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and punishment and, you know, angry gods and pestilence and all of this.
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But it, it, this all comes in kind of gradually.
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And then of course, the, then that all gets very softened by the
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time you get to the second temple, you know, around the Iron Age.
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And then, so by the time the Romans show up.
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And take over Judea because it's the border between the Roman
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Empire and the Persian Empire.
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So it's an area you've got to have control of, otherwise you lose
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control of the Eastern Mediterranean.
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And so they, you know, say, okay, this is Roman now.
49:43
By then, it's to some degree Judaism as we know it, but it's I've gone through many,
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many evolutions and so, and, but it's interesting that your father was very much
49:54
part of the sort of progression of that
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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and sort
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Rupert Isaacson: of through Kabbalah to this reform movement with this
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idea of healing and repairing the world, because I would say that that
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is kind of what you're trying to do.
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Would you agree?
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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Yeah.
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Well, yeah, it's interesting because I had, I didn't realize this, but I
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had a one of my uncles who was, you know, I think cousin of my father,
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he was the governor of Rhode Island.
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Okay.
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He was an amazing progressive governor who put through a lot of, you know,
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societal changes in that state that, we're talking in the 1960s, you know.
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Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
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Interesting.
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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Yeah.
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Rupert Isaacson: All right.
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Let's get to the actual healing.
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So, you've got a bunch of things that you do, and I kind of want to give them all a
50:50
little bit of time and attention, because I'm not sure people will be aware of them.
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So chiropractic touched on it a bit, so let's get through that one rather quickly.
50:58
Let's say somebody had some sort of chronic autoimmune thing going
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on, rather than just a sore back because they fell off a horse.
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What Does chiropractic do
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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well, the very high level theory on that and it's very simple, you know,
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five year old kid would get this is that imagine that it's too much for
51:23
Rupert Isaacson: me.
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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Imagine you've got a hose and the water's coming through the hose.
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And you kink the hose.
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Now the water is not coming through the hose.
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What's the solution?
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You unkink the hose.
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So that's really the whole theory of chiropractic.
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If your nerves are getting pinched because the vertebrae are misaligned
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or subluxated it's gonna inhibit the life force nerve flow into your organs
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and your cells and your tissues.
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So, you remove that interference through the adjustments.
51:57
And now you've got more life force, the body there's a really elegant
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saying the chiropractors have.
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This is one of the first things I learned in chiropractic school is the power
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that made the body can heal the body.
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So you remove the interference by releasing the nerve flow and there you go.
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Rupert Isaacson: Now when you say life force and you know, you could,
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you could, you're, you were a yoga student for as long as I still are,
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I think, cause you offer yoga And that would be for you Kundalini
52:25
but in Western allopathic medicinal terms, how can we define life force
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
52:31
electric,
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Rupert Isaacson: electric energy within the body?
52:35
Well, if you look
52:37
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
52:37
at, look at, you know, cardiology, what's the number one test they do?
52:41
It's an EKG, you're measuring the electrical conduction of your heart.
52:45
If you've got a brain problem, they're measuring the electrical
52:48
conduction of your brain, you know, so these are just really obvious.
52:53
You know, signs that the body is electrical and there's electricity
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flowing through your body.
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Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
52:59
Which is a frequency and a vibration.
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Absolutely.
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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So that electricity is the most obvious version of it.
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But in Chinese medicine, we talk about chi or life force, where
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It's subtle, even more subtle.
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It's more like the electromagnetic field versus the electrical is like
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the flow of the ions, which you can physically measure, but then
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you've got this whole energy field.
53:25
So whenever you have electricity, you also have the electromagnetic
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field associated with it.
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Rupert Isaacson: Define ions and what they mean biologically.
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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Well, an ion would be like.
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You know, it's exactly what you look at in a wire, you know, a copper
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wire, negative ion flowing through that's Channeling electricity, right,
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you know, in the most like physical term, we call it an electron, right?
53:55
Rupert Isaacson: That's what I was going to say, is an ion the same,
53:56
is an ion the same as an electron?
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It's like a
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
53:58
free electron, it's floating, right?
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Rupert Isaacson: Why not call it an electron then, why is it an ion?
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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Well, ion is You know, they're interchangeable terms, you know,
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it's, it's like, you know, you've got one form of an apple, another form.
54:14
It's just, it's a term that we use to describe that form of energy.
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Rupert Isaacson: But to put simply chiropractic allows
54:23
the flow of electrical energy.
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
54:25
Yeah.
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To
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Rupert Isaacson: go more freely.
54:26
Like, like, you know,
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
54:27
I would say electrical slash life force chi, but it allows the, you
54:33
know, the basic concept is the power that made the body can heal the body.
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Just like if you have a cut, the cut heals on its own.
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We, we don't have to go to a doctor to heal a cut.
54:45
It heals on its own.
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You might need to put a bandaid on it, but it heals.
54:50
Rupert Isaacson: By the way, I'm, again, I had to check, because
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I always have to check electrons and ions, so here's what I got.
54:56
An ion is an electrically charged particle produced by either removing
55:03
electrons from a neutral atom to give a positive ion, or Adding electrons to
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a neutral atom to give a negative ion.
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So it seems that the addition of electrons makes ions.
55:18
So maybe it's many, depending on how they're charged.
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Okay, so, it's always good to check in with these things because, you know,
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people I think have these questions and are often a bit scared to ask.
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
55:28
One of the things I would say on that, you know, this is a very
55:32
deep topic when we talk about ions because You know, in Western terms,
55:39
we think of them as particles, right?
55:42
It's like a piece of an atom that displaces or attaches,
55:46
like a puzzle, right?
55:46
It comes off or it goes in.
55:48
And that's true on one level, right?
55:52
But on a deeper level, that ion is a hologram that exists in another realm.
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And we hallucinate it.
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In our minds,
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Rupert Isaacson: all right.
56:03
Well, you're talking about quantum, you know, where I'm
56:06
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
56:06
talking about the quantum level of that of that.
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I am
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Rupert Isaacson: right.
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So I think I think that is largely accepted these days that light and
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electricity and all of these things are in superposition, meaning that they could
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be in many places at once in potential until they're measured or observed.
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And then they become a particle for that moment.
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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Right,
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Rupert Isaacson: but then they go back to being in superposition
56:34
again Yeah, yeah, that's
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
56:35
very important to understand
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Rupert Isaacson: Which is I I rather love that because it's it's
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just means everything is possible.
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Okay.
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So do you think do Do you do you regard chiropractic?
56:47
As a preventative thing.
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So for example, if I say, well, look, I'm, I'm, I sort of feel,
56:50
okay, why would I need to go?
56:53
Well, an adjustment you say, no, actually ru an adjustment every
56:56
three months is a good thing.
56:57
Just, yeah, I mean, to make sure that things are flowing.
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You know, it
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
56:59
depends on your lifestyle and what you do.
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Like I'm a yogi, I'm, I'm moving my spine, I'm doing all kinds of yoga things.
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I might need to get adjusted once a year.
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Mm.
57:09
You know, but if somebody does not have a yogic lifestyle and they're not
57:13
moving properly or doing anything that.
57:17
It fosters proper alignment.
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They're going to need a car, correct?
57:20
Yeah.
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And that's like about 90 percent of the population, maybe, maybe even more.
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I heard a statistic today that said that only 1 percent of the population works.
57:34
In on farms, you know, whereas 100 years ago, it could have
57:37
been 50 percent maybe 200 years.
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It was 90%.
57:41
So bottom line is about 99 percent of the population is either stuck in a car
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and office or a sedentary lifestyle where they're not moving their spine like what
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you're doing, like going out and working with horses and most people don't do that.
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Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, sure.
57:57
No, and I, you know, I can definitely feel when I feel a bit stiff, but I
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can usually relate it to something.
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I got a bash.
58:03
I fell off.
58:04
I was pushing the wheelbarrow up Pooh Mountain and it twisted slightly
58:09
or something, you know, if someone is leading a standard sedentary
58:12
lifestyle, do you think, how often do you think they should probably
58:15
go and get themselves an adjustment?
58:18
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
58:18
My main recommendation I'd say is like once a month, I would say.
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Okay.
58:24
Monthly.
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Monthly.
58:25
And again, that's based on your lifestyle.
58:27
If you're like an extreme athlete, you might be going twice a month
58:31
or three times a month, you know.
58:33
It's like, you know, it just depends.
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I mean, I have patients who get adjusted weekly.
58:38
You know, they have the chiropractor come to them.
58:41
They're billionaires.
58:42
Rupert Isaacson: Can that be too much?
58:44
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
58:44
Not necessarily, no, if it's, you know, cause a lot of times like chiropractors,
58:49
I would say most modern chiropractors, they're going to be doing a lot of
58:55
different therapies that are not just adjusting, they might be doing, you
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know, massage or, you know, some kind of physical therapy where it's really
59:05
a form of active release or muscle training or, you know, stuff like that.
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Yeah.
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. Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
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Alright.
59:12
You are also doing a lot with hyperbaric oxygen therapy.
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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Yeah.
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This
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Rupert Isaacson: is something I think a lot of us has heard, have heard of.
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Why is to be oxygenated like this?
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So good.
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And how do you do it?
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
59:29
Okay, so hyper barracks have been around that we know of since the 1600s.
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That's when the first hyperbaric chambers were used medically and basically what
59:43
they found is over the last several hundred years is that exposing your body
59:49
to a in a hyperbaric environment where you're increased pressure, air pressure.
59:56
What it does is there's a physics principle called Henry's law.
1:00:00
Okay.
1:00:01
And basically what that says is, you know, when a gas is put under
1:00:05
pressure, that gas, if it's also You know, in contact with a liquid, more
1:00:13
of that gas will go into the liquid.
1:00:15
So it's like forcing more air into water in the in, you know, in the
1:00:20
most basic way of understanding.
1:00:23
So when a person goes into a hyperbaric chamber, now you've got that increased
1:00:28
pressure, and because of Henry's law, air, more air is being pumped
1:00:33
into your plasma, beyond the red blood carrying capacity of oxygen.
1:00:38
So now you're flooding your tissues with far more oxygen that
1:00:42
you would normally be exposed to.
1:00:44
And what they found in the research is that that will cause epigenetic
1:00:51
switches in your DNA to be turned on.
1:00:55
And what's happening is massive anti inflammatory response.
1:01:00
So it's really, really good for any kind of autoimmune condition.
1:01:03
Okay.
1:01:03
Brings down inflammation.
1:01:05
Yeah.
1:01:05
Rupert Isaacson: It's interesting too, I'm reading here that in, in
1:01:08
1918, during the massive Spanish flu thing that killed everybody, Dr.
1:01:14
Orville Cunningham discovered a difference in mortality rate between the flu patients
1:01:18
living in higher elevations compared to patients living at lower elevations.
1:01:23
In higher elevations, you breathe in less oxygen.
1:01:26
This discovery led to many flu patients seeking hyperbaric oxygen
1:01:30
therapy treatments with great success.
1:01:34
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:01:34
That's an interesting thing.
1:01:35
So we're talking about two things here.
1:01:37
One is hyperbaric and one is hypobaric.
1:01:40
Rupert Isaacson: Yes, exactly.
1:01:41
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:01:41
When you go to a high elevation, now you're hypobaric.
1:01:45
Right now.
1:01:46
But so the latest research shows that when you do intermittent hypobaric
1:01:52
therapy going, in other words, lowering the oxygen content in your blood, You
1:01:57
get almost the exact same benefits of being in a hyperbaric chamber.
1:02:02
Interesting.
1:02:02
Because the body has to respond by creating more blood, increasing Releasing
1:02:08
Rupert Isaacson: more oxygen.
1:02:09
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:02:09
Yeah, more, so it, it, it, everything turns on so you can absorb more oxygen.
1:02:14
And you
1:02:15
Rupert Isaacson: said, you, you, you talked about the 17th century
1:02:17
and I'm, I'm reading this now.
1:02:19
There's oxygen therapy began in 1662 when British physician Nathaniel Henshaw
1:02:24
built the first pressurized room to treat pulmonary and digestive conditions.
1:02:29
At this point, the use of oxygen therapy stalled until 1788.
1:02:34
So a century later, when they use compressed hyperbaric air and a diving
1:02:37
bell for underwater repair, this spawned.
1:02:41
August Ziba to create the first deep sea diving suit in 1819.
1:02:45
The first true hyperbaric tank arrived in 1834 under the direction of Dr.
1:02:50
Juno, the bulletin for the academic.
1:02:53
The Academy of Medicine reported Dr.
1:02:55
Juno's success with a complete recovery from a variety of medical conditions and
1:02:59
then, okay, then the 1900s come along.
1:03:02
But what, hold on, back in 1662, they didn't know what oxygen was, so how,
1:03:10
how could they, how, why would they be knowing to build a pressurized
1:03:13
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:03:13
What they were doing was compressing air.
1:03:16
Why?
1:03:17
Because, okay, the thing is, it's not the oxygen per se, it's the pressure of
1:03:23
the air or the atmospheres that so think of about like when, when you go into
1:03:28
water and dive down, when you get down to say 10 feet or 12 feet, you're at 1.
1:03:34
3 atmospheres.
1:03:36
That's the, that's a form of hyperbaric right there.
1:03:39
So what they're doing is reproducing the effects of that.
1:03:42
Okay.
1:03:43
Of being underwater, but with air, not not even oxygen, just air itself,
1:03:50
because once you pressurize that air, the volume of oxygen itself will
1:03:56
concentrate more into the plasma.
1:03:59
So hyperbarics does not need to be done with extra oxygen.
1:04:05
Although if you add the extra oxygen, you get even more benefit
1:04:09
because now you're increasing the availability of oxygen even more.
1:04:14
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
1:04:15
Okay.
1:04:16
I'm going further down the Henshaw rabbit hole.
1:04:18
Cause I'm thinking how could a guy called Nathaniel Henshaw in England in 1662.
1:04:22
Which is English Civil War.
1:04:25
No, it's, it's just, it's under Cromwell, I think, at that point.
1:04:30
You know, people don't know much about things at that point.
1:04:35
And now it says, actually, he proposed to create a chamber.
1:04:41
thinking that it, but he didn't actually build it.
1:04:43
It was never built.
1:04:45
And then other people came along, I think in the 18th century and did, but
1:04:50
what, so Henshaw recommended pressures up to three times atmospheric pressure
1:04:58
and durations for acute conditions until their resolution, what I'm,
1:05:03
and there was another 170 years before a functional air chamber would
1:05:06
finally become a reality, but what.
1:05:09
What I'm intrigued by is how would somebody in 17th century
1:05:16
civil war England, where they're still burning witches be coming
1:05:21
up with I'm intrigued, how, why?
1:05:24
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:05:24
You know, I think that, you know, if you look back in the history of medicine You
1:05:29
know, to Paracelsus and even Isaac Newton.
1:05:32
I don't know what year they were in, but these people had very advanced thinking.
1:05:36
So you got to, you got to think, okay, they're thinking of everything.
1:05:41
Pressure of air, the effects of magnetic energy.
1:05:44
I mean, they were using magnets back then, you know?
1:05:47
So they're right.
1:05:48
And he was, I said,
1:05:50
Rupert Isaacson: was a member of the Royal society.
1:05:51
So they were all.
1:05:53
Getting together and experimenting.
1:05:54
And of course, as you say, Isaac Newton was in there with him.
1:05:57
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:05:57
Yeah.
1:05:58
Yeah.
1:05:59
They were looking at gravity, magnetics, you know, all different
1:06:03
forms of physics experiments, you know?
1:06:07
So it just makes sense that they would, you know, experiment with
1:06:10
air pressure as, as one of the, you know, things that, you know,
1:06:15
Rupert Isaacson: I think, yeah, I think he's, I think he was coming from the.
1:06:18
Rome, the, the, the Greek physician, the ideas of Galen, you know, Claudius
1:06:23
Galenus the Greek physician but living under the Romans, you know, 126 to 216 AD.
1:06:29
A lot of things go back to him.
1:06:31
This idea of the humors and fluids, and putting pressure to correct
1:06:36
the balance in humors and fluids.
1:06:39
And I guess they must have been observing that changes in
1:06:42
atmosphere and air pressure make people feel differently, right?
1:06:45
We spoke about that,
1:06:47
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:06:47
right?
1:06:47
The people who live at altitude?
1:06:49
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
1:06:51
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:06:51
They have longer lives?
1:06:51
Yeah,
1:06:52
Rupert Isaacson: the mountain people seem to be healthier and
1:06:55
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:06:55
Yeah,
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Rupert Isaacson: more jumpy aroundy.
1:06:56
Yes.
1:06:57
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:06:57
No,
1:06:58
Rupert Isaacson: not dying of malaria
1:07:01
On the planes.
1:07:02
Yes, the good cleaner interesting though because in in that time you know There
1:07:07
were still people obviously believing that you shouldn't open the window at
1:07:10
night because of bad humors from the air, you know I think mistaking swamp fever
1:07:15
and being bitten by malaria carrying mosquitoes and that sort of thing.
1:07:19
So It's interesting, and there's nothing specific here in what I've just been
1:07:23
able to see in the last two minutes saying, Oh, Henshaw noticed that people
1:07:27
living up in the Scottish Highlands or the French Alps seem to live longer.
1:07:32
But there must have been these observations going on.
1:07:35
I presume that people like Galen must have because the
1:07:37
Roman Empire spanned all these.
1:07:40
But it's fascinating to me that, okay, so hyperbarics, we're going to get
1:07:44
more oxygen in our systems, and that's going to help us with inflammation.
1:07:48
Yeah, that,
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:07:49
well, inflammation is the low hanging fruit.
1:07:51
The other thing that hyperbarics does that every, every week that you spend
1:07:57
in a hyperbaric chamber, meaning one, one hour a day for five days,
1:08:02
or seven days either one, I think.
1:08:04
What they've seen now, and this is very recent research, is that your,
1:08:10
your circulating stem cells will triple in your blood for every week that
1:08:16
you spend in a hyperbaric chamber.
1:08:19
Rupert Isaacson: And if you do a once a week treatment.
1:08:21
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:08:21
Yeah, well, no, not once a week, every day for a week.
1:08:25
Published studies.
1:08:26
I have access to some real recent stuff.
1:08:30
It's unpublished.
1:08:31
Rupert Isaacson: So again, as a preventative, what do
1:08:33
you recommend for people?
1:08:35
If they want to explore hyperbaric?
1:08:36
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:08:36
Well, you know, the reason I did it personally was because of the
1:08:41
Israeli research, so that Israelis.
1:08:44
You know, published a research paper is about four years ago now where
1:08:48
they showed that spending 60 days in a hyperbaric every day, two hours a
1:08:54
day, increased telomere length by 25%.
1:08:58
Rupert Isaacson: What length?
1:08:59
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:08:59
Telomere.
1:09:00
Rupert Isaacson: Tell us what telomeres are.
1:09:01
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:09:01
Telomeres are the end caps of your chromosomes.
1:09:05
And what happens is every time your cells divide, those telomeres shrink, shrink,
1:09:09
shrink until they, when it gets to the end, you're, you don't divide anymore.
1:09:14
And that cell then becomes senescent.
1:09:16
Once you have enough of those senescent cells, that's it.
1:09:20
That's your lifespan, right?
1:09:22
So if you can increase that length.
1:09:25
You're essentially reversing the effects of aging.
1:09:30
Rupert Isaacson: And the hyperbaric chambers look like scary places.
1:09:32
They look like, you know, the old cast iron forms of like MRI
1:09:37
things that they put you in where you're gonna die of claustrophobia.
1:09:40
So, how do you deal with not going mad when you go into a hyperbaric chamber?
1:09:44
Well, okay, that's a
1:09:45
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:09:45
great question, you know.
1:09:47
Because of that, we, we got the largest possible chamber we could get.
1:09:51
The chamber we have is over 60 inches.
1:09:55
diameter.
1:09:56
So it's very large on the inside.
1:09:58
It can accommodate like four to five people.
1:10:02
Usually just one or two goes in there.
1:10:04
But
1:10:04
Rupert Isaacson: because is it sealed?
1:10:05
Once you go in that clock, the, the, the door closes.
1:10:09
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:10:09
Yeah.
1:10:10
Yeah.
1:10:10
Do people ever panic in their windows?
1:10:13
So, you know, 99 percent of the patients don't have a problem at all.
1:10:17
Cause once you're in there you can get the, the reason
1:10:20
people get claustrophobic is.
1:10:22
The fear of not being able to escape And so there is internal mechanisms within
1:10:29
the chamber where you can get out from the inside You're not trapped in there.
1:10:34
So what people will realize that they will.
1:10:36
Oh, yeah, I could i'm Okay, like I can get out of here if I need to That usually
1:10:41
lowers the, the fear factor quite a bit.
1:10:44
Rupert Isaacson: And what do people do while they're in the hyperbaric chamber?
1:10:47
Are they having a pint?
1:10:49
Are they reading a book?
1:10:50
Are they
1:10:51
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:10:51
declaiming epic poetry to each other?
1:10:53
Or are you
1:10:54
Rupert Isaacson: lying there very still?
1:10:56
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:10:56
Yeah, you can do whatever.
1:10:57
I mean, I'll listen to podcasts or read a book or whatever.
1:11:01
You can do whatever you want.
1:11:02
But typically after about a half an hour in a session, You'll fall
1:11:06
asleep because it's very sedative.
1:11:08
It has a very relaxing effect on your nervous system.
1:11:11
Rupert Isaacson: And do you still go into a hyperbaric chamber yourself?
1:11:15
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:11:15
Yeah, I do a, yeah, I usually do it two or three times a month.
1:11:18
I go in.
1:11:19
Rupert Isaacson: And how long do you go in for?
1:11:21
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:11:21
Yeah.
1:11:22
Rupert Isaacson: How long do you go in for?
1:11:23
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:11:23
For like an hour, sometimes an hour and a half.
1:11:27
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
1:11:28
Okay.
1:11:28
Talk to me about red light, not the red light district of, of
1:11:33
Los Angeles, of course there are many but red light therapy.
1:11:35
But,
1:11:36
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:11:36
The red light is you know, it's the up and coming biohack.
1:11:40
There's a lot of research coming out about red light, you know, red
1:11:44
light, basically what it's doing at the most fundamental level is it's.
1:11:50
activating the mitochondria.
1:11:52
It's it's the mitochondria are the energy factories within our cells.
1:11:57
And mitochondria just so happen to have what are called chromophores,
1:12:01
which are light receptive, you know, antennas basically.
1:12:05
Right.
1:12:06
Rupert Isaacson: So that we basically, we photosynthesize
1:12:08
without knowing it sort of thing.
1:12:09
Exactly.
1:12:10
So
1:12:11
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:12:11
when you get exposed to the right.
1:12:13
wavelengths of light, which happen to be in the red and the near infrared range,
1:12:18
you're activating the maximal amount of ATP production, as well as mitochondrial
1:12:24
biogenesis, so it actually helps strengthen and grow healthy mitochondria.
1:12:30
Rupert Isaacson: Why, why of the different lights that are on the spectrum?
1:12:36
Why is red light such a powerful one?
1:12:39
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:12:39
I think it's probably due to the fact that, you know, terrestrial life, we
1:12:44
evolved, I think over 40 or 50% of the light that comes from the sun is in
1:12:50
the red and the near infrared range.
1:12:52
Mm-hmm . And so it's a factor in life really.
1:12:56
It just comes from the biology of life on the planet.
1:13:01
In UV light, all is also important as well.
1:13:04
And that's where we're getting our vitamin D from.
1:13:08
And then, and also in the recent research, it's not just vitamin D, it's all of
1:13:13
your hormones get increased in UV light.
1:13:17
Rupert Isaacson: Could you not just, you know, go buy a red incandescent
1:13:20
bulb from the light store?
1:13:23
Why do you need, what's special about a machine?
1:13:26
Well, the
1:13:27
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:13:27
thing is that they, you know, from all the decades of research, there's been
1:13:31
decades of research done on red light.
1:13:33
There are a few like say bands of the frequency and the light in the
1:13:38
wavelengths where you're getting the biggest bang for your buck.
1:13:42
Okay, so if you're just buying a, you know, like a standard
1:13:46
thing of incandescent light, you're going to get some benefit.
1:13:50
But when you, you go within those very tight bands, you're getting the maximum.
1:13:56
So, it's really about efficiency.
1:13:58
Like, in our clinic, the red light that we use, the treatment
1:14:02
time is only 12 minutes.
1:14:04
It doesn't take a long time to get the biologic effect of red light.
1:14:08
You know, with like an incandescent light, you might not even get all the benefits
1:14:13
if you sat in front of it for hours.
1:14:15
You know, so it's like, it's about efficiency.
1:14:19
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
1:14:20
People talk about it.
1:14:22
I've heard people talk about it as an anti aging thing.
1:14:24
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:14:24
Yeah.
1:14:25
Rupert Isaacson: It's the reality that it's actually boosting your mitochondria.
1:14:29
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:14:29
Yeah, mitochondria and the corollary to that is your cells, you get
1:14:36
collagen production in your skin.
1:14:38
You get increased function of your organs.
1:14:41
Clinically we've seen people with heart conditions.
1:14:45
Improved or a neuro neurologic conditions like MS Parkinson's dementia
1:14:52
all get benefited because our brain has a massive amount of mitochondria.
1:14:57
And so when you expose the brain and the body to a massive amount of the right
1:15:03
wavelength, the red near red, you're, you're rejuvenating the mitochondria.
1:15:09
Rupert Isaacson: Mhm.
1:15:10
Okay.
1:15:11
I'm also, of course, because I need to know the story behind
1:15:13
everything, say light therapy has been around for more than 50 years.
1:15:17
I'm reading here.
1:15:18
It was discovered by the Hungarian physician, Andre Mester in the 1960s when
1:15:23
scientific experiments with red lasers on rats led to hair growth and wound healing.
1:15:29
According to a research article published in the journal of biophotonics.
1:15:33
Over the years, light therapy was largely considered bogus, but with new
1:15:37
research, some conflicting, the scientific community has started to take notice.
1:15:43
Right now in the U.
1:15:44
S.
1:15:44
it's still considered non mainstream, but there's growing academic and
1:15:48
clinical centers adopting the technology and making it available.
1:15:51
Yeah, so, it's very interesting The, we know that people also use other types
1:15:59
of color, like blue green as well.
1:16:02
Yeah.
1:16:02
So why is red so much better and what do blue and green also
1:16:07
we're Often the blue is bad.
1:16:08
Right?
1:16:09
That our, our screens are blue and
1:16:10
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:16:10
we, yeah, so the blue, the blue I believe is more antimicrobial.
1:16:15
Mm-hmm . So if you have an infection, you can use light.
1:16:18
Green light.
1:16:18
It has another effect, I think on pain.
1:16:22
So each, each wavelength of light will have a variation
1:16:29
of its benefits on the body.
1:16:31
But the thing that differentiates red from all of those different colors
1:16:36
is that's the one that's focusing on your mitochondria, primarily.
1:16:40
Rupert Isaacson: And then, is red light the same as infrared?
1:16:43
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:16:43
It's in the, okay, so when I say red, it's kind of that band of red and
1:16:47
near infrared that we're looking at.
1:16:50
It's between like 600 and 1100 nanometers, okay?
1:16:56
That's the red and near infrared range.
1:16:58
Why not use
1:16:59
Rupert Isaacson: infrared?
1:17:00
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:17:00
Okay, there's near infrared is more targeting into your mitochondria.
1:17:07
The far infrared, which is typically more found with saunas are thermal heating,
1:17:15
so it doesn't have the photonic effect.
1:17:17
on the mitochondria as the near infrared, but there's still a benefit from using it.
1:17:22
It's just a different type of benefit.
1:17:24
Rupert Isaacson: Okay, got it.
1:17:27
It's fascinating because there's a bunch of things I've actually wanted
1:17:30
to ask forever about these things.
1:17:32
Because, you know, people tell you about them.
1:17:33
You're like, oh yeah, that sounds interesting.
1:17:35
And then they, oh, what did they say again?
1:17:36
I can't really remember, you know, except that it's apparently good
1:17:39
for me and over there and then you forget about it, you know?
1:17:42
So it's, it's really good to have a.
1:17:45
chance to dive deeper.
1:17:47
There's, there's one more I want to ask you about.
1:17:49
So, and this is to do with stem cells.
1:17:54
So
1:18:00
I think people now, you know,
1:18:05
I used to eat the word stem cell and, but I remember, what was it, you know, 10 or
1:18:11
15 years ago, stem cells were suddenly things that were being talked about.
1:18:15
Oh, what the fuck is a stem cell?
1:18:16
You know, now, now suddenly it's like, Oh yeah, stem cells.
1:18:19
And, and as I understand them, they are the stem, the, the embryo.
1:18:24
of a cell that gets put into place, and then it can be become this cell or that
1:18:29
cell depending on how it gets activated.
1:18:33
But as cells die, they need to be replaced with new stem cells and, or new
1:18:40
cells, which have to be stem, stem cells before they're specialized, no cells
1:18:45
or neurons or I'm trying to think of something funny, but it's escaping me.
1:18:49
So it looks like
1:18:51
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:18:51
when we're born, our body has a certain supply of stem cells.
1:18:56
That is.
1:18:57
sits dormant your whole life, pretty much life.
1:19:01
And what happens is when you're, when you incur, when you, when you're
1:19:06
injured or have something happen, where your body gets injured, let's
1:19:11
say like, say you just cut your finger, this is the most simple thing.
1:19:14
The stem cells in your body will get the message.
1:19:18
Hey guys, you need to wake up and go to that finger and repair that finger.
1:19:22
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
1:19:23
And that's like, it's like the poly filler.
1:19:25
It's like the concrete.
1:19:26
It's like, whoop, the concrete's got chipped over there in.
1:19:29
You know, the intelligence of our body, you
1:19:35
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:19:35
know, the intelligence of our body will work with those dormant stem
1:19:40
cells and put them where they need to go based on our requirements.
1:19:46
Rupert Isaacson: So with this in mind, talk to me about pulse
1:19:50
electromagnetic field therapy, pulse electromagnetic field therapy.
1:19:57
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:19:57
So PMF, you know, that's a type of therapy that originated,
1:20:01
I think it was in Germany.
1:20:02
It is part of the it was Germany and also Russia in their space program, what
1:20:09
they found was that the early cosmonauts when they come back from space, you
1:20:14
know, they were doing the long duration spaceflight they would come back and their
1:20:18
bodies would literally be like jello.
1:20:21
They'd come out of the spacecraft and they would collapse with no muscle tone.
1:20:25
You know, their bones were all osteoporotic, their body was literally
1:20:30
melting because they didn't have access to the magnetic field of the earth, right?
1:20:35
So they found out from doing experiments that living organisms on the planet
1:20:41
require magnetic field to even exist.
1:20:45
It's a requirement, just like water and air is a requirement.
1:20:51
They call it vitamin M, you know, the magnetic energy.
1:20:54
It's called vitamin M.
1:20:57
Rupert Isaacson: So given that we're here on the planet and we're getting that, why
1:21:01
do we need this magnetic type of therapy?
1:21:04
Well,
1:21:05
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:21:05
it's just like, you know, okay.
1:21:06
So think of it like this modern society we've, for the most
1:21:12
part, cut our connection to the earth, the electromagnetics.
1:21:17
Of the earth.
1:21:19
We walk around in rubber shoes or leather shoes, whatever kind of shoes we're
1:21:23
wearing on, you know, surfaces that are not electrically connected to the planet.
1:21:30
So we've lost that connection right there.
1:21:33
Just that alone, right?
1:21:35
And then you add in all the interference.
1:21:38
Of the modern, you know, electromagnetic pollution that we live in, we're getting
1:21:44
degraded massively from that connection.
1:21:49
And so we need an extra dose, just like, you know, a lot of people now in
1:21:54
LA will go to get an IV of vitamin C or vitamin B or whatever, because the
1:22:00
food is totally lacking in nutrition.
1:22:03
Vitamin M is just as important as any vitamin.
1:22:06
It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a requirement that we have it.
1:22:11
And so what we've seen, and the research really clearly shows this, is that
1:22:15
when you expose yourself to a pulse magnetic field, It's going to increase
1:22:22
and accelerate the healing process, no matter what that thing is, it could be
1:22:28
a bone related injury, a sprain strain, it could be an infection, it could
1:22:33
be you know, a tumor in your brain.
1:22:36
It doesn't really matter when you increase the magnetic energy into
1:22:40
the body, the body will start to repair itself in an accelerated way.
1:22:47
Rupert Isaacson: Okay, but then why not just go lie down under a tree?
1:22:51
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:22:51
That can work in most cases, I would say, like if you're just looking for wellness.
1:22:56
And like just to maintain your, your, your, your basic energy.
1:23:01
I've totally, I do that myself.
1:23:03
I do that every weekend.
1:23:05
I go to the beach and lay under a tree on the ground.
1:23:08
That's a very, very basic thing you can do.
1:23:11
But what we've seen is when you have either a chronic
1:23:15
illness or an acute injury.
1:23:18
And we're talking about broken bones.
1:23:21
We're talking about people with chronic digester or auto
1:23:24
immune issues and even cancers.
1:23:28
When, when, when the body gets that deranged and out of balance.
1:23:33
and you expose it to a high powered magnetic field, pulsing magnetic field,
1:23:39
it greatly increases the healing.
1:23:42
So when laying underneath the tree is not going to fix a broken bone, okay,
1:23:48
but getting on a high powered EMF will cut your healing time by one fifth.
1:23:53
That's what they've seen.
1:23:54
So it's, it's, you know, there are a lot of times people get a
1:23:57
fracture and it doesn't heal properly or it doesn't heal all the way.
1:24:02
And that's when a pulse magnetic field comes in.
1:24:05
It can finish, it can help the body, assist the body in finishing
1:24:09
that job that it's trying to do.
1:24:12
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
1:24:12
Okay.
1:24:13
And you use a machine for that.
1:24:14
So does the machine it's, and it's got this sort of big head on it.
1:24:19
Is it.
1:24:20
You have this big head because it's just going to throw out this
1:24:23
massive electromagnetic field at you.
1:24:26
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:24:26
Well, we have several different units we use in the office.
1:24:29
The primary one is a pulse table.
1:24:32
And it's literally the patient lays on it.
1:24:35
It's, it's the entire body.
1:24:37
Okay.
1:24:37
Your whole body from head to toe is being saturated in a
1:24:41
very powerful magnetic field.
1:24:43
That's the primary therapy, but we use that one that you're talking about the
1:24:47
head When we want to focus on a specific area like a joint say a knee or a shoulder
1:24:52
or a low back That head will generate a huge magnetic field pulse magnetic
1:24:58
field that will stimulate tissue repair.
1:25:03
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, it's, it's interesting.
1:25:05
I'm reading a little bit here from the Mayo clinic.
1:25:08
And also from
1:25:10
the, the FDA has approved it.
1:25:12
It's interesting because you know, they, they're so they won't
1:25:15
approve much that isn't the drug.
1:25:17
I'm actually surprised that they've that they've, that they've, approved
1:25:20
electromagnetic therapy and what is also true is, you know, spoiler alert,
1:25:25
actually I do work with quite a few physicians who wholeheartedly recommend
1:25:28
it for the reasons you just described.
1:25:30
But what I think is interesting is that when I say, well, why
1:25:33
not just go lie under a tree?
1:25:36
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:25:36
I
1:25:36
Rupert Isaacson: can actually answer that question.
1:25:39
I think that if you do when you say things like, well, it won't heal a
1:25:44
broken bone, I think it will still heal it faster if you can do that.
1:25:49
But I think, but I think the, I think the, the, the truth of the matter is that most
1:25:55
people have no opportunity to lie under a tree, even though they live on planet.
1:26:03
It's so crazy because I think most of us are zoo animals.
1:26:06
We live in cages.
1:26:08
It's not just that we're wearing shoes.
1:26:10
It's that we're walking on concrete.
1:26:12
And we go from, you know, our house to the car, and then we get into a car.
1:26:19
And also the big thing
1:26:20
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:26:20
that most people don't even tap into is non native EMFs.
1:26:25
Rupert Isaacson: Indeed I, I, uh I, I I, I know that you don't know much
1:26:30
about the work we do, but the work we do with the brain specifically
1:26:36
with people with autism, trauma psychosis, and so on, one of the first
1:26:41
things we do is take off shoes and go outside because it immediately has.
1:26:50
A calming effect.
1:26:51
And that's why everybody knows when you go to the beach, you know,
1:26:54
drinking hand toes in the sand, that's why does that feel good?
1:26:57
It's the toes in the sand bit that feels good.
1:26:59
Cause you can have a drink in a bar with your toes in leather.
1:27:02
It's actually not the drink that's making you feel good.
1:27:03
It's the toes in the sand and the.
1:27:07
Tapping into the electromagnetic field.
1:27:09
So like a camping trip whenever you lie on the ground, everyone
1:27:13
always comes back from a camping trip feeling rejuvenated feeling.
1:27:17
Yeah.
1:27:17
It's always, it's always the best thing you can do.
1:27:19
And, you know, it's interesting that billionaires don't really spend a lot of
1:27:22
time going to ultra fancy luxury hotels.
1:27:28
They're much more likely to invest in safaris in Zambia, you know,
1:27:32
where they're sleeping in tents.
1:27:34
It's Very much a product, of course, of the industrial age.
1:27:41
But even before that, I think, actually, even of the agricultural age.
1:27:45
First, as we left our hunter gatherer roots, where we're feeling great because
1:27:51
we're living on the planet as we're supposed to, agriculture comes in,
1:27:58
and now we've got hard, repetitive, back breaking, body breaking toil.
1:28:02
Instead of the adventure of hunting and gathering.
1:28:06
And then of course, you know, you throw a bit of slavery in there with it, and
1:28:09
a bit of serfdom, and you're off to the races for some good old suffering.
1:28:13
But then of course what people had a great desire to do, because then being tied to
1:28:17
the land was a form of slavery, was to get off the land, get away from the land.
1:28:21
So when the Industrial Revolution hit, there was a great desire.
1:28:26
For people to leave their sort of feudal settings and
1:28:28
escape the tyranny of the laws.
1:28:31
Of course, they replaced it with the tyranny of factory owners.
1:28:33
But as soon as that happened, and we're now 200 years in 250 years in from this
1:28:39
experiment So however many generations that is of Not it not being possible
1:28:46
to go and say lie under a tree Because you've got to now go to work in a factory
1:28:51
and you live in this house and you're going to work in the factory You're
1:28:53
going to go home sleep in the house.
1:28:54
So since about 1840
1:28:57
The chances for most people in the West to actually go and sit under a
1:29:01
tree every day went from reasonably
1:29:08
often to zero.
1:29:11
And then you've got generation after generation and this rejection
1:29:14
of nature's dangerous, it's scary, we can't go outside, you can't go
1:29:17
outside if it's raining, you can't go outside if it's too hot, you can't go
1:29:19
outside if it's too cold, you can't go out if it's this, if it's that.
1:29:22
So it's only if it's now beach holiday.
1:29:26
Which you probably end up, unless you live in Los Angeles, you know, people will
1:29:29
save up once a year to get on a plane to go for a week and have toes in the sand.
1:29:35
And, and then when they, they, the picture of retirement is,
1:29:39
I'm going to retire to the beach.
1:29:42
Why am I going to retire to the beach?
1:29:44
Well, partly that's the, that's the environment where
1:29:47
homo sapiens sapiens evolved.
1:29:49
Margin of land and water in a warm climate, Africa.
1:29:52
But, so we naturally feel at home there.
1:29:55
Also, it's because that's where we tap into the electromagnetic field,
1:29:59
maybe once a year on vacation.
1:30:02
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:30:02
Yeah.
1:30:02
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
1:30:03
Yeah.
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So it doesn't surprise me that one might need to hook up to a machine.
1:30:06
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Despite the
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
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The other, you know, the other huge thing that's afflicting society men and
1:31:14
women, but more so women after menopause.
1:31:19
I don't know what the actual percentage is, but it's pretty high.
1:31:24
Most women at some point in their life are going to be osteoporotic.
1:31:28
They're going to lose their bone matrix.
1:31:29
Okay.
1:31:30
And they're going to be susceptible to, you know, falls and broken hips
1:31:35
and that will quickly lead to death.
1:31:37
Okay.
1:31:38
So what we've seen clinically with the PMF is that women who are already
1:31:46
osteoporotic and the only option they are given is to take You know, western
1:31:51
meds would actually which will make their bones more dense, but more brittle
1:31:56
and more likely to break So that is not a great, you know remedy for that
1:32:03
situation, but what we've seen is that When women even just lay on the PMF once
1:32:08
a week, their osteoporosis will reverse.
1:32:13
We've seen patients that have gone from osteoporosis to no
1:32:18
osteoporosis in like a year.
1:32:20
It's not something that happens overnight, but you know, we had one lady who, who
1:32:25
in one year went from osteoporosis to no osteoporosis doing the PMF one day a week.
1:32:32
So that's a huge, huge like, factor in, like, sustaining the health
1:32:40
of the population, I would say.
1:32:43
It's huge.
1:32:44
Rupert Isaacson: So, with all of these, these treatments, there are now you know,
1:32:47
many devices out there for doing this.
1:32:50
I've got some in my house.
1:32:52
People talk about different ones and of course everyone
1:32:55
swears by the one they've got.
1:32:56
So, I use something called the Beemer.
1:33:00
B E E M E E R blanket.
1:33:02
Are you familiar with that one from Switzerland?
1:33:05
And we actually got that initially for our horses.
1:33:07
To Improved circulation, microcapillary circulation, which basically chilled
1:33:12
them out and made them more rideable as well as well being and healing.
1:33:17
But then, when we discovered there was a human one, we started sleeping on
1:33:22
that and, oh wow things like jet lag.
1:33:26
started going away and that sort of thing.
1:33:28
And you know, obviously that's a, you know, a form of biofeedback.
1:33:32
And then I also have something, an old Russian device called a scanner.
1:33:36
I
1:33:37
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:33:37
love the scanner.
1:33:39
That's one of my go to thing.
1:33:40
I travel, whenever I travel, I have a scanner.
1:33:44
Rupert Isaacson: So for those of you who don't know what it is,
1:33:45
it's a little handheld device.
1:33:46
You put a batteries in it or double A batteries in it.
1:33:49
and it, you put it around your body on anywhere that you've got that you think
1:33:54
might be a bit hurty and it kind of locks on in this weird way and then it goes and
1:34:00
then it goes beep when it's done and then you have to move it on to another spot.
1:34:04
When I smashed up my left leg In six places, I use many things, but
1:34:09
one of the things, you know, I, I, I a scan on the shit out of it and
1:34:14
went through like so many batteries cause it would use up all the juice.
1:34:17
Cause it would, it's supposed to do it for like 30, 40 seconds.
1:34:20
And on this big break, it was like giving me 20 minute doses.
1:34:24
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:34:24
I was
1:34:25
Rupert Isaacson: afraid I was going to break the machine.
1:34:26
So I, I've been using things for a while, but I know that you are a fan of a couple.
1:34:32
This taught me about the Sigma instrument.
1:34:36
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:34:36
Well, that's it.
1:34:37
Okay.
1:34:37
So what I use to analyze the spine.
1:34:41
Rupert Isaacson: So that's a chiropractic sort of machine
1:34:44
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:34:44
tool.
1:34:45
And the interesting history on that is it was originally developed.
1:34:50
as a piezoelectric sensor to test the the the hull of the space shuttle the the
1:34:57
tiles that they put on the space shuttle they use that sensor to check for the hull
1:35:02
integrity okay and then what happened was I guess I don't know who whose idea it
1:35:07
was but They figured out, oh, we can use this to test the integrity of the spine
1:35:13
Oh, that does make sense.
1:35:14
So it got repurposed into a spinal analyzing machine.
1:35:19
Rupert Isaacson: Well, that, that does make sense to me because
1:35:20
the concept of tensity Right.
1:35:22
You know, the, the tension and integrity of a building.
1:35:26
Yeah.
1:35:26
And then bio tensity, all of our tendons and ligaments that support Exactly.
1:35:31
So this
1:35:34
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:35:34
teeg of each segment of the spine.
1:35:37
And it also adjusts the segment with a vibration.
1:35:42
So it does the adjustment.
1:35:44
Yeah, so instead of cracking a bone, what it does is it vibrates the joint, instead
1:35:49
of using force, it's using frequency.
1:35:52
So, you know, just through the principle of physics, if you're
1:35:56
using a frequency, you can get actually even a better adjustment.
1:36:01
That is a deeper adjustment than actually cracking a bone because when you love
1:36:06
Rupert Isaacson: the cracking of the bone, if I came in on it, Oh, I want my crack.
1:36:09
I want my crack.
1:36:12
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:36:12
Crack a bone.
1:36:13
What happens?
1:36:13
The body will resist it because it's happening too slow.
1:36:17
When you increase the speed of the adjustment.
1:36:21
It goes below the body's reaction, and you can get a better adjustment.
1:36:27
So I use both.
1:36:28
I start my adjustments out with a sigma instrument.
1:36:32
If I don't see that vertebra move, which I can tell right away
1:36:35
because of the feedback it gives me, I will do a manual adjustment.
1:36:40
Rupert Isaacson: So I still might get my crack, that's good.
1:36:42
Yeah.
1:36:43
Because I like them.
1:36:44
And then so, stem wave.
1:36:47
Tissue joint regeneration regenerative therapy.
1:36:51
This is another one I've heard of and that's huge.
1:36:54
That's a German company.
1:36:55
Is it not?
1:36:55
It's a German,
1:36:56
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:36:56
well it's a German design technology.
1:37:00
The original technology came from Germany in the 1980s, and it was
1:37:06
originally called lithotripsy.
1:37:09
It's what they use in hospitals to crush kidney stones.
1:37:13
Ah, okay.
1:37:15
So that, that's the original.
1:37:16
What they found out was, is that those same shock waves, they do sound waves,
1:37:21
very powerful sound waves through water.
1:37:24
to target the kidneys when they had kidney stones.
1:37:27
They still use them today in a hospital.
1:37:30
And, but they found out that those same kind of shock waves would
1:37:34
stimulate the repair of a joint.
1:37:37
And so then the machines then got created at that point that had these
1:37:43
treatment heads so that you could focus the sound waves directly into the joint.
1:37:49
And so the stem wave is one of the top tier machines.
1:37:53
There's a lot of different shockwave devices on the market.
1:37:57
But the, the, they're called electro hydraulic shockwave.
1:38:00
Those are the original lithotripsy type machines.
1:38:05
And there's really only a couple of companies in the world that make them.
1:38:08
So, and they're both German design, basically Germany is the,
1:38:12
Rupert Isaacson: but it's, it's coming down once again to vibration.
1:38:16
It's using the sound is vibration, but
1:38:19
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:38:19
the key here is the focus.
1:38:22
And the intensity and the wave form.
1:38:24
So a true shock wave will have a huge wave form that goes straight up
1:38:29
and then down, and then it creates a negative vacuum effect into the tissue.
1:38:33
So it's like a shock wave.
1:38:35
So it's bam into the tissue and negative it's a positive and then a negative.
1:38:41
And that negative is where the bottom of the shock wave is where the cell
1:38:46
gets the active, gets the signal.
1:38:49
to repair.
1:38:50
Interesting.
1:38:51
It gets the signal to activate the body's self repair mechanism,
1:38:56
activating the, the stem cells.
1:38:59
So that, that's the, and that's the reason the machine is called
1:39:02
StemWave because it's actually initiating the, the signaling to do
1:39:09
enhanced and greatly accelerate the healing process within the joint.
1:39:14
Rupert Isaacson: Then
1:39:16
there's another device which again, I've heard of, CyberScan.
1:39:21
Cyber scan, biofeedback analysis, which obviously like a scanner
1:39:24
that we talked about or the Beamer, those are biofeedback as well.
1:39:28
How would something like this, what, how does the cyber scan differ from those?
1:39:31
And what's.
1:39:33
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:39:33
Well, okay, the CyberScan is really the thing that you're going
1:39:36
to love while we talk about it.
1:39:37
But anyway, CyberScan comes from Germany.
1:39:40
And actually, I went to Germany to be trained over a decade ago.
1:39:45
Right near Frankfurt, by the way.
1:39:47
And basically, the way the CyberScan operates is through scalar waves.
1:39:54
Rupert Isaacson: What's a scalar wave?
1:39:56
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:39:56
That's a great question.
1:39:57
A scalar wave is a non EMF wave.
1:40:01
So all these other things we've been talking about have electromagnetic
1:40:07
frequency, vibration, energy that you can measure with a, you know, a meter.
1:40:12
Okay?
1:40:13
The difference with a scalar wave is you can't measure it.
1:40:17
You cannot, there is no, well.
1:40:19
Rupert Isaacson: How do you know it's there?
1:40:21
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:40:21
Well, that's, okay.
1:40:22
That's, that's a great question.
1:40:25
This is very advanced physics.
1:40:28
Okay, there's very few people in the world even know about this type of
1:40:33
stuff, but essentially it is there, but it's very subtle and it has, it
1:40:43
has like this, the cyber scan has built into it the ability to use
1:40:48
the scalar wave as a measuring tool.
1:40:51
And that now.
1:40:53
What I'm talking about right now is a proprietary invention, okay?
1:40:59
I cannot tell you because I actually don't know myself.
1:41:01
I use it as a practitioner, but I can tell you this, is that the
1:41:06
readings that the CyberScan gives are extraordinarily revealing.
1:41:13
And in the sense that I can scan someone, know zero medical history on that person
1:41:20
and I could probably in 90 plus percent of the people tell them what their main
1:41:24
issue is that they've had their entire life or something that's happened to
1:41:29
them that was very traumatic or caused a lot of disruption in their energy field.
1:41:36
You know, it's hard to explain this because it's not something that we I
1:41:41
even relate to it in holistic medicine, let alone like traditional medicine.
1:41:46
It's it's using very advanced technology that I think it needs further research.
1:41:56
I've seen it work.
1:41:58
The reason I even got into the cyber scan is because it worked with me and with my
1:42:02
wife, you know, because the cyber scan also makes remedies that are imprinted.
1:42:08
I'll show you one of the cards, but you can imprint the remedies.
1:42:13
On to a magnetic strip that are gained from the biofeedback
1:42:18
and, you know, basically
1:42:21
Rupert Isaacson: like homeopathy.
1:42:23
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:42:23
Exactly.
1:42:24
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
1:42:24
So it's basically a homeopathy machine.
1:42:27
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:42:27
It is, but not in the traditional sense.
1:42:29
Okay.
1:42:30
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
1:42:31
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:42:31
Instead of using substances, because homeopathy uses substances
1:42:35
that are deluded to the point that they don't exist in the fluid.
1:42:39
The CyberScan is directly testing the energetics of the person's body
1:42:46
through the scan from the scalar wave.
1:42:49
Now the reason they actually developed the CyberScan is because of Germany,
1:42:54
they were using these Bhole devices.
1:42:58
I don't know if you're familiar with Bhole, where they would do
1:43:01
testing, electromagnetic testing of the meridian points on the finger.
1:43:06
That's a testing device that was developed in the, I think,
1:43:10
in the 50s and 60s in Germany.
1:43:14
And they used those for decades, but what, what, and they would use those to
1:43:18
test different substances, homeopathy, as well as herbal remedies, and they'd
1:43:23
use that as a testing device, right?
1:43:25
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
1:43:26
And I've seen those at work and I've, I've seen them get good, good results.
1:43:29
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:43:29
Yeah.
1:43:29
So those are fantastic tools.
1:43:32
There were a couple of things that were downsides with that technology.
1:43:36
One being practitioner Dependent error.
1:43:41
So depending on how the petitioner would use it, it could vary the results.
1:43:46
That was one factor.
1:43:47
The other factor is that you're using electromagnetic energy,
1:43:52
which will affect the meridian.
1:43:55
Okay, because you're introducing an outside energy source.
1:43:59
So now the body is not being tested in the most neutral
1:44:03
format that you could test it in.
1:44:05
So what they theorize is if you could test the body With a non EMF
1:44:10
wave, meaning a scalar wave, you can get a much more accurate and
1:44:15
detailed reading of that person.
1:44:19
And so that's how they developed this system.
1:44:22
Yeah.
1:44:22
So.
1:44:23
Rupert Isaacson: Interesting.
1:44:24
So I'm, I'm, I'm now looking at scale, scalar waves.
1:44:28
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:44:28
Yeah, yeah.
1:44:29
Rupert Isaacson: And I've got some really interesting things here.
1:44:31
Unlike conventional electromagnetic waves, scalar waves are believed to be
1:44:37
non Hertzian, meaning they do not travel through space and time in the same way
1:44:42
as traditional electromagnetic waves.
1:44:45
Scalar waves are often described as standing waves, meaning they
1:44:48
do not move through space, but exist as stationary patterns.
1:44:53
in space.
1:44:55
And then, I go a bit deeper.
1:44:56
Scalar waves, in other words, describe the flow and movement of energy in space.
1:45:02
Scalar waves, also known as longitudinal waves, were theorized by James
1:45:07
Maxwell and proven by Nikola Tesla, earning them the name Tesla waves.
1:45:12
So it seems that they're the same as the Tesla waves.
1:45:15
And then this is interesting.
1:45:17
Scalar waves are superluminal, which means that they move faster than the speed of
1:45:21
light because they're unbounded by the limitations of three dimensional space.
1:45:26
Also, since they don't exist in the third dimension in the way that
1:45:29
matter does, they move through the empty spaces between all matter.
1:45:33
Ha
1:45:34
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:45:34
ha!
1:45:37
You know, I'm still just blown away by right.
1:45:43
And
1:45:43
Rupert Isaacson: I guess it's because of this that Nikola Tesla discovered
1:45:47
that with these waves that you can do the you can generate any electricity
1:45:52
or energy without losing energy without entropy, because it's not traveling
1:45:57
through three dimensional time and space, therefore encountering resistance.
1:46:03
So it doesn't lose its power.
1:46:05
You
1:46:05
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:46:05
know, so they somehow figured out how to use these waves to measure the
1:46:11
body that that that part, the part that's still to me to this day, I
1:46:15
don't understand how it does it right.
1:46:17
Because Nikola
1:46:18
Rupert Isaacson: Tesla wanted to use it to give wireless energy transmission
1:46:22
and he was, he was poised to do that.
1:46:25
And, you know, his backer was JP Morgan Chase Bank, who then pulled out.
1:46:30
And wouldn't
1:46:31
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:46:31
well when he found out he wanted to give it away for free because it
1:46:34
Rupert Isaacson: couldn't he couldn't make any money off it so
1:46:36
he went with oil and gas instead.
1:46:40
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:46:40
So, anyway, they somehow figured out how to make a medical use out of this thing.
1:46:46
I really think it should be in every hospital in the world just
1:46:50
because what I've seen with it, it'll pick up things that it's almost
1:46:56
impossible for any other way of testing the body can even including.
1:47:01
You know, every kind of functional test you can imagine.
1:47:06
The CyberScan will pick things up.
1:47:08
It just does.
1:47:09
I don't I, to this day, am flabbergasted at how it can do that.
1:47:15
But I've tested people that are very up there in the genetic realm.
1:47:21
They do genetic testing and everything.
1:47:23
And I've tested those people.
1:47:25
And I tell them the results and they're literally like, dude, you just told me
1:47:29
everything that I know that's going on with me that it took me a month to get
1:47:34
the results from my genetic testing.
1:47:39
We're talking about the top people in the world that do this.
1:47:42
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, it's,
1:47:43
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:47:43
it's,
1:47:47
Rupert Isaacson: so, there's there've been studies, it seems, showing that
1:47:50
scalar waves may play a role in promoting cellular repair, enhancing DNA function
1:47:57
and supporting the body's natural healing.
1:48:00
Very interesting.
1:48:01
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:48:01
Yeah, it's extremely fascinating stuff.
1:48:04
I, I'm, I, I'm blown away by it.
1:48:07
Rupert Isaacson: You know, it makes the fact that it's a Tesla wave,
1:48:10
it's so interesting, isn't it?
1:48:11
Because what was it Tesla said?
1:48:13
If you want to understand the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy,
1:48:16
frequency, and vibration, frequency, and vibration, and all these methodologies
1:48:21
you're talking about come down to various forms of frequency and vibration.
1:48:26
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:48:26
It's all about frequency.
1:48:28
Even
1:48:28
Rupert Isaacson: if it's not necessarily electromagnetic, some
1:48:30
of them are, some of them aren't.
1:48:33
And yes, we need the electromagnetic ones, but it seems there are
1:48:35
other ones we need as well.
1:48:37
Isn't it fascinating to be?
1:48:39
alive on the planet at a time when this stuff is suddenly
1:48:47
emerging into the mainstream.
1:48:49
Because I mean, I've been using say a scanner for over 20 years, you
1:48:53
know, and the beamer for at least 10.
1:48:57
But I would say that when someone first showed me a scanner I totally poo pooed
1:49:02
it and despite the fact that I spent lots of time observing shamanic healings
1:49:10
in the Kalahari and that sort of thing.
1:49:11
But of course that's different because that's ancient culture.
1:49:13
And so, you know, and anyway, it's happening in front of your eyes.
1:49:16
So you, you see it happen, you know, you can't deny that person gets up and walks
1:49:20
away who couldn't before or whatever.
1:49:22
But I went to Honduras.
1:49:25
On an assignment, a journalistic assignment, and I got bitten by a spider.
1:49:30
And, it was probably a brown recluse.
1:49:34
But my face swelled up.
1:49:36
And, the lump just kind of wouldn't go away.
1:49:40
Just kind of was this Lump on the side of my face from the spider
1:49:45
and it, you know, I kind of thought, I've been in Africa a lot.
1:49:48
I've been in, yeah, it'll go away.
1:49:49
It'll go away, you know, and it was not going away.
1:49:52
And finally my friend had the S scan.
1:49:54
I said, why don't you let me try the S scanner on it?
1:49:56
I'm like, well, okay, fine.
1:49:59
Two days it was gone.
1:50:00
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:50:00
It was this your first time being spoken?
1:50:02
Yeah.
1:50:03
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
1:50:03
And I was like, all.
1:50:04
Maybe there's something in this,
1:50:06
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:50:06
I met the, you know, the Russian doctor who brought the scanner to this country,
1:50:13
but it was like about 20 years ago.
1:50:14
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, it was,
1:50:15
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:50:15
they were
1:50:17
Rupert Isaacson: using it, you know, behind the iron curtain to enhance
1:50:20
athletic performance and that heal their athletes and that sort of thing.
1:50:24
But she
1:50:24
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:50:24
came here, like I was, I was among the group of the first physicians
1:50:29
that got training in the scanner.
1:50:31
Like it was probably 25 years ago.
1:50:33
Rupert Isaacson: Yes, I think I think so.
1:50:35
Yeah, and I think I was I must have been yeah, you know, that's it was about that
1:50:41
I think I was I think I was first exposed to it in about 2000 and One or two.
1:50:47
Yeah, I always forget that that was 25 years ago.
1:50:50
I think it was well, you know that now there's
1:50:54
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:50:54
I don't know if you're aware of it, but they have scanner units now.
1:50:57
They're called Dinos It's it it's a different company, but it's by the
1:51:03
the original inventor of scanner He created another company called
1:51:07
Dinos And those units are consumer friendly, and they're only, you know,
1:51:14
you can buy them in this country for like 350, they're very cheap now.
1:51:18
Rupert Isaacson: Oh right, because the scanner is expensive, right, yeah.
1:51:20
Yeah, the
1:51:21
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:51:21
original scanners are thousands of dollars.
1:51:23
Rupert Isaacson: And even the handheld device is like 850, yeah.
1:51:27
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:51:27
Yeah, but now the D NOS units are as little as 300, 350.
1:51:34
They're very easy to get.
1:51:40
Rupert Isaacson: I'm just Looking them up now.
1:51:45
Okay.
1:51:47
So, if people were wanting to learn more about this, I mean, obviously you're
1:51:53
sitting in Los Angeles, and if people want to go to your clinic, they can.
1:51:58
And we'll certainly, you know, have you, people, how they can do that.
1:52:02
But, the vast majority of our listeners are not in Los Angeles.
1:52:05
They're all over the place.
1:52:06
So, if they were wanting to get some advice on some of these things.
1:52:11
And orient themselves.
1:52:13
I'm sure some people have been taking notes through this podcast and other
1:52:16
people will do what I do when there's interesting stuff on podcasts, go
1:52:18
back and re-listen to it and write that bit down that you forgot.
1:52:22
But can they contact you and can you help orient them?
1:52:25
Oh yeah.
1:52:25
We website, they can find something in their hood where they're,
1:52:28
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:52:28
yeah.
1:52:28
Our websites THU heal, T-H-U-H-E l.com.
1:52:34
Rupert Isaacson: PHU.
1:52:36
Heal, HEA l.com.
1:52:39
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:52:39
Transformational Healing universe.com.
1:52:41
Rupert Isaacson: T.
1:52:42
T, not P, yeah.
1:52:43
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:52:43
T.
1:52:43
T, yeah.
1:52:44
T-H-U-H-E-A-L-T-A
1:52:47
Rupert Isaacson: drink.
1:52:50
T.
1:52:51
What's it?
1:52:52
Dore Me.
1:52:54
A drink with jam and bread.
1:52:55
So
1:52:57
THU
1:52:58
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:52:58
and then U and then the word HEAL and then dot com.
1:53:02
Yeah, and we have a Instagram that's the same.
1:53:05
It's just THU HEAL on Instagram.
1:53:09
And
1:53:09
Rupert Isaacson: do you Could you consult with people?
1:53:11
Do you give people advice who are, you know, in Rotherham, Northern England or
1:53:17
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:53:17
Queen's?
1:53:17
I have patients that come from all over the world.
1:53:19
I have a guy here right now that we've been treating for a
1:53:23
whole, he's here for 40 days.
1:53:25
He, he ended up with a glioblastoma in his brain from Canada, actually.
1:53:32
And he's been here for an entire month.
1:53:35
Treating eight hours a day, you know, with cases like that, we'll treat the
1:53:39
patient literally eight hours a day,
1:53:41
Rupert Isaacson: but for people who can't get to you but need advice about
1:53:44
where they could look for certain types of device and technology in there.
1:53:50
Yeah.
1:53:50
In their area.
1:53:51
Can you help orient them a bit?
1:53:53
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:53:53
Sure.
1:53:54
Yeah.
1:53:54
They can contact us through either the website or the Instagram.
1:53:58
Super.
1:53:59
Yeah.
1:54:00
Rupert Isaacson: That's great.
1:54:01
And then you're also, of course, using yoga in your practice.
1:54:08
Would you say everybody should have kind of a yoga practice?
1:54:13
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:54:13
Yeah, definitely.
1:54:15
Rupert Isaacson: Can I, can I, can I do my little devil's advocate qualifier that
1:54:20
I, it's always been in the back of my mind about yoga, which is that I used to
1:54:25
have a very good yoga practice years ago.
1:54:28
And then I could totally let it slide because I became a parent and
1:54:33
also I'm so active with horses and there's no question I felt great.
1:54:38
However, you know, and I know that yoga was something in ancient India
1:54:44
and modern India for the wealthy classes who can, who have the
1:54:47
leisure to sit around and needing.
1:54:51
To move their bodies with yoga and that the blokes that you see out there breaking
1:54:55
stones on the road and carrying stuff around on their heads through the traffic
1:54:58
and Bob, they're not doing yoga because they got no time to do yoga, you know?
1:55:02
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:55:02
Let me just say that the reason I do kundalini yoga, I don't know, most
1:55:08
people don't know this, but kundalini yoga was designed for the household or
1:55:13
person just exactly what you're saying.
1:55:15
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
1:55:16
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:55:16
People who have busy lives, who have kids, who are working.
1:55:19
I'm the same way.
1:55:20
I work 10, 12 hours a day.
1:55:22
I don't have a whole lot of time.
1:55:24
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
1:55:24
'cause yeah, my yoga practice was like the yoga practice of like a
1:55:27
young man who's not a parent yet, and it's like out the window.
1:55:31
Well,
1:55:31
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:55:31
the thing is, but the Kundalini, my Kundalini practice consists
1:55:35
of three to 11 minutes of yoga.
1:55:37
Okay.
1:55:38
A day.
1:55:39
And that's actually enough if you know, if you're doing the right movements
1:55:43
and breathing patterns and stuff.
1:55:45
Where you can regulate your entire physiology in 3 11 minutes.
1:55:49
Rupert Isaacson: Because I am a great believer, you know, I'm playing
1:55:51
Devil's Advocate, I do believe in it.
1:55:52
And I do know that also if you are leading a normal life, which is a very
1:55:59
sedentary life, and you have to do, you have to go from house to car, or
1:56:03
house to train, to work, to back end, or even now these days with home office,
1:56:07
because People are still expecting you to be sitting there available on zoom
1:56:12
for the same number of hours if not more than you ever So you're still sitting?
1:56:17
Just without the travel.
1:56:20
Can you advise people we haven't time to go into it now in this particular podcast?
1:56:24
But can you help advise people when they contact you on how to get together a
1:56:28
small yoga practice that would enhance?
1:56:31
So yeah, so they're not just dependent on these devices and machines that also
1:56:34
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:56:34
100%.
1:56:35
I mean, we, we, my wife's Kundalini yoga teacher is I am too, but she
1:56:40
specializes in that and can teach people either in groups or in on
1:56:46
zoom or, you know, one on one.
1:56:49
But Kundalini yoga is very easy to learn.
1:56:52
It's very simple to do.
1:56:54
And it's, and it's fun.
1:56:56
That's the thing about like.
1:56:58
Whatever activity you're doing for health or wellness, if it's
1:57:03
not fun, then you shouldn't do it.
1:57:05
Yeah,
1:57:06
Rupert Isaacson: I so agree.
1:57:08
I mean,
1:57:09
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:57:09
if you're going to, if you're going to sustain any practice at all, you'd
1:57:12
better have some element of fun.
1:57:14
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
1:57:15
I can't, I can't exercise unless it feels like I'm just having a laugh.
1:57:21
Then I can do it all day.
1:57:21
Like I can dance all night and I'll happily climb that mountain.
1:57:25
And I'll ride, you know, train horses all day, but ask me to go to the gym and
1:57:31
I'm like, I'm so bored within three now.
1:57:33
I know some people absolutely adore the gym.
1:57:35
It's a different, it's a different temperament, different personality type.
1:57:38
But for me, as you say, if it doesn't involve play, I'm not, I'm not there.
1:57:44
Yeah.
1:57:44
Yeah.
1:57:46
And I think that's a nice note to end on, which is that play,
1:57:50
I think really is so important.
1:57:53
What's the, what's the age old cliche, but it's a true one.
1:57:58
We don't.
1:57:59
Stop playing because we get old.
1:58:01
We get old because we stop playing.
1:58:04
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:58:04
100 percent That's the essence.
1:58:07
This whole conversation.
1:58:10
Be like a kid.
1:58:11
Connect with nature.
1:58:12
And, you know, Heal yourself with fun.
1:58:16
Heal yourself with fun.
1:58:19
Rupert Isaacson: Words to live by.
1:58:20
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:58:20
You know Norman Cousins?
1:58:22
You know who that is?
1:58:23
No,
1:58:23
Rupert Isaacson: I don't.
1:58:23
Tell me.
1:58:25
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:58:25
Do it after we go offline, but Norman Cousins was a very famous.
1:58:30
I think it was a writer or both famous guy.
1:58:33
Bottom line is he got a terminal diagnosis.
1:58:37
They said, Okay, you're not going to live.
1:58:39
And so what he did.
1:58:41
to heal himself is he said okay i'm gonna watch a comedy every day like a
1:58:47
comedy movie tv show whatever every day for like a month right from his hospital
1:58:54
bed in one month he was completely cured just from laughing Every day
1:59:01
Rupert Isaacson: and he lived to be 85.
1:59:02
I'm looking at I'm looking about now I
1:59:04
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:59:04
mean, that's it.
1:59:05
That's that's the ultimate and that was with no yoga.
1:59:08
No technology.
1:59:09
That was just by laughing
1:59:11
Rupert Isaacson: You know, I think that's a podcast we got to do is like I'm
1:59:14
brick coming laugh therapy is coming up
1:59:16
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:59:16
Yeah,
1:59:17
Rupert Isaacson: Oh God, that will be fun.
1:59:18
Let's do that.
1:59:19
I'll do gonna do that one
1:59:20
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:59:20
Yeah.
1:59:20
Yeah.
1:59:22
Rupert Isaacson: All right.
1:59:23
Brilliant.
1:59:24
Awesome.
1:59:25
Well, so much for coming on.
1:59:28
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:59:28
Yeah.
1:59:29
My pleasure, man.
1:59:30
I appreciate it.
1:59:31
Thank you.
1:59:32
Rupert Isaacson: Maybe we'll do it again.
1:59:33
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:59:33
Okay.
1:59:34
Rupert Isaacson: All right.
1:59:36
When I'm in Los Angeles, I get there from time to time.
1:59:38
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:59:38
Yeah.
1:59:38
Well, it'd be fun to hang out with you.
1:59:40
I'll
1:59:40
Rupert Isaacson: do it.
1:59:41
Okay.
1:59:42
Only if it, well, maybe we're a little bit of fun.
1:59:45
Maybe.
1:59:45
Yeah.
1:59:46
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:59:46
Yeah.
1:59:48
Rupert Isaacson: All right.
1:59:49
Be well until the next time.
1:59:51
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
1:59:51
Okay.
1:59:51
Thank you.
1:59:53
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