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  Speaker 1: She landed 11 hours later, and she was fired.
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  Speaker 2: A post from three or four years ago that was
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  Speaker 2: public is going to make a big difference in your
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  Speaker 2: next 10 to 15 years and what your dream job is.
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  Speaker 3: So, knowing about the problem and understanding the full scope
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  Speaker 3: of the problem are two very different things.
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  Speaker 1: This is The Bad Hire, the show with the best
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  Speaker 1: stories about the worst employees.
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  Speaker 4: We fired him, of course.
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  Speaker 1: People are crazy.
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  Speaker 4: It's like an HR nightmare.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: One dad hire stole all of it.
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  Speaker 4: Crazy stuff. She got what she deserved.
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  Speaker 1: Oh. I'm your host, Ken Monroe, and every week we
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  Speaker 1: dive into real-life stories from the wild world of work
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  Speaker 1: and what can happen when the wrong person gets the job.
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  Speaker 1: These stories aren't just crazy. They're cautionary tales about lessons
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  Speaker 1: learned the hard way. Let's get started. Hey, everyone. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to The Bad Hire, the show with the best
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  Speaker 1: stories about the worst employees happens. We have maybe 28
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  Speaker 1: shows under our belt, and we have heard some really
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  Speaker 1: crazy stories. I've got two special guests today with me today.
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  Speaker 1: I'm joined by Randall Wilson. He's the chief operating officer
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  Speaker 1: over at B-Checks.
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  Speaker 2: Glad to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, it's cool. And Jamie Frankos, she's a
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  Speaker 1: vice president of global partnerships and alliance at Fairly. I
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  Speaker 1: think you were just in Europe or something, weren't you?
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  Speaker 4: I was in Paris.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm getting ready to go to Amsterdam.
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  Speaker 1: I saw something. But she's global partnerships and alliance at Fairly.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. Looking forward to having some fun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. All right.
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  Speaker 4: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 1: You guys know the drill. We'd love to get your stories.
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  Speaker 1: We'd love for you to submit them in. we want
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  Speaker 1: you to do that. It could be a good, it
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  Speaker 1: could be a bad story, a bad interview story, a
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  Speaker 1: bad hire story, an OG flame out, a first day
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  Speaker 1: blow up, whatever it is. And then if you've got
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  Speaker 1: a good hire story, you know, we love that too
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  Speaker 1: because I love the redemption stories. So, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: can send that in. Now, what we'll do is at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the year, you know, we're going to give,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to pick one story as the best story
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  Speaker 1: of the year and we're going to award that person $ 10, 000 to,
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  Speaker 1: for the best story of the year. So go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: take your shot. Send us a story. You can, you
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  Speaker 1: can either send us a story that's written or you
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  Speaker 1: can ask to be, do a segment on the show
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  Speaker 1: where you'll meet with a producer. They'll interview a segment
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  Speaker 1: with you where you can tell the story yourself. Those
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  Speaker 1: are always super fun. And then, you know, we encourage
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  Speaker 1: you to kind of get in line. I think we
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  Speaker 1: have 80 people in the pipeline trying to, trying to
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  Speaker 1: get on the show like that. So, and we're getting
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  Speaker 1: to them as fast as we can. So, But, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: sign up for it. All right?
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  Speaker 2: We must be one of the fortunate few that got
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  Speaker 2: that in front of the line of 80 other people.
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  Speaker 1: Oh. No, they're not hosts. So we don't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: what we found is so much easier to coordinate these
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  Speaker 1: segments than to try to get people to time everything perfectly.
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  Speaker 1: And then, you know, cross-talk and reaction stuff doesn't work
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  Speaker 1: as well when it's, somebody over the phone or on
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  Speaker 1: Zoom call or whatever, it's hard for them to get.
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  Speaker 3: Who's the ultimate judge of the story? Who gets to
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  Speaker 3: pick the best?
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  Speaker 1: I think the team will pick.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. So I have one particularly I like
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  Speaker 1: so far. So we got to top it, right? It's
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  Speaker 1: the cat story. So it's, well, a guy that gets
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  Speaker 1: on Zoom calls and team calls. He's laying in bed
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  Speaker 1: shirtless with his cat and he's on the company call.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great story. And it just resonated with me,
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  Speaker 1: I think, because we had an occurrence of that.
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  Speaker 2: Had somebody on a Zoom call in bed shirtless.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Wow. Just wow. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: We'll try to top this today.
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  Speaker 1: We watched this, you know, when you came out of,
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  Speaker 1: when COVID first started and we Started moving everybody around
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  Speaker 1: and got them home. I think we sent everybody home
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  Speaker 1: on March 17th or March 19th. And I just remember,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that everybody was so, like, everything was, you know, dressed.
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  Speaker 1: They still wore their gear. You know, they were still
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  Speaker 1: dressed up, hair done, makeup on. You know, everybody looked
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  Speaker 1: sharp that first six months. First six months.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then it all went downhill. Then it was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: the hair no longer, no.
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  Speaker 4: Or they just go off camera.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Or they accidentally turn their camera on and they're bare
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  Speaker 2: chested and laying in the bed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so it goes all the way to the end.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know. I think it's funny. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you just see this slow decline of like, okay, they
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  Speaker 1: don't dress up anymore. Now they don't really wash their
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  Speaker 1: hair or do their hair anymore. And, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: makeup's long gone. And so the end result is they're
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  Speaker 1: going to turn their camera off, right? So now you're
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  Speaker 1: doing an event with no one's on it. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: as a leader, I'm trying to like, how am I
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  Speaker 1: going to build and shape a culture of people who
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  Speaker 1: won't put their face, you know, you don't even know
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  Speaker 1: what people look like. If we hire somebody, no one's
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  Speaker 1: even going to know what they look like. Because if
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  Speaker 1: they come on and see that everyone turned their camera off,
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  Speaker 1: they're just like right back off.
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  Speaker 2: There's your opportunity to make some bad hires right there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: On camera only.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So we make, I think we have a rule,
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  Speaker 1: don't we, Doug?
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  Speaker 2: Always have your camera on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, camera's got to be on.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a camera on girl, too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You have to. You have to see them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Even on client calls or prospect calls, we'll come on
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  Speaker 2: with cameras. And I think the other hand feels a
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  Speaker 2: little obligated to turn their cameras on at this point.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, well, everybody there just turned their camera on.
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  Speaker 2: So let's flip our camera on. It's kind of a
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  Speaker 2: way to make sure they're paying attention, right? They're not
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  Speaker 2: just like dozed off.
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  Speaker 4: When you feel like you're talking to a wall, if not,
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  Speaker 4: you're like, well, just talking to the space.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So today is pretty cool because, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Jamie does is heavy into social media screening and her
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  Speaker 1: company is heavy in the social media screening. Got great technology.
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  Speaker 1: And and so that does that. And she's just you've
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  Speaker 1: been in it for.
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  Speaker 4: For a while now.
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  Speaker 2: For.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Since the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, of of of really when this became a thing,
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  Speaker 1: I think I remember when it first started that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it was just a lot of resistance in the industry around, like,
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  Speaker 1: is this legal?
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  Speaker 4: Can you do this?
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  Speaker 1: Every lawyer, every CRA, can't be doing that stuff right there. No, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: Our lawyer had a fit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he did.
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  Speaker 2: Do not put any scoring on there. Do not let
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  Speaker 2: them do this.
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  Speaker 1: Best thing you can do is just not do this.
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  Speaker 1: Just don't do this.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we're going to review every one of these before
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  Speaker 2: they let them send them out to the clients, like,
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  Speaker 2: It's a social media stream.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, it's public information.
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  Speaker 4: It's public posts.
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  Speaker 1: They just laid it out there. It's like I went
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  Speaker 1: to a speech and I heard them talk.
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  Speaker 4: How else are we going to see people without their
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  Speaker 4: shirts on? I mean, come on.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. Anyway, so you've been in that a long time.
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  Speaker 1: So today we're going to dedicate the show to nothing
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  Speaker 1: but social media blow-up stories. And so we've got You know,
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  Speaker 1: there's a couple of famous ones we're going to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: I actually did a post about one of these the
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  Speaker 1: other day where I talked about it. But we'll talk
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  Speaker 1: about it here on this show. And these should be interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So before we dive back into the chaos on the
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  Speaker 1: That's B-C- Why don't I get started? In 2013, all right,
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  Speaker 1: I guess social media was rolling in 2013. Yeah. And
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  Speaker 1: it's prom. Yeah. So in 2013, the head of PR
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  Speaker 1: for one of the biggest media companies in the world,
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  Speaker 1: Boarded a flight with 170 Twitter followers. That's all she had,
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  Speaker 1: 170 Twitter followers, which is kind of crazy because she's
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  Speaker 1: the head of PR at a huge media firm. She
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  Speaker 1: landed 11 hours later and she was fired. So she
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  Speaker 1: had already been terminated by the time she landed. So
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  Speaker 1: her name was Justin Sacco and she's the senior director
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  Speaker 1: of corporate communications at a company called IAC. And that's
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  Speaker 1: the company behind Match.com and Vimeo and the Daily Beast.
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  Speaker 1: So her entire job, her entire job was like managing
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  Speaker 1: the company's reputation. All right. And so before she posted,
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  Speaker 1: before she boarded, she posted a tweet. It was offensive.
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  Speaker 1: It was racist. And it had been sitting in her
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  Speaker 1: public feed like for years. So I guess she reposted it. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: she got on on an 11 hour flight and there
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  Speaker 1: was at the time no Internet access. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: used to be when you flew, it was the Wi-Fi.
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  Speaker 1: So you were just kind of down, you know. Let's
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  Speaker 1: use that little phone in the back of the seat. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, she's flying an 11 hour flight, no Internet
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  Speaker 1: access and had absolutely no idea what was happening while
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  Speaker 1: she was in the air. Right. So within two hours
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  Speaker 1: of her making that post, her tweet was the number
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  Speaker 1: one trending topic on Twitter worldwide. That just gets me.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine?
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  Speaker 4: And she's just sitting there playing.
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  Speaker 1: You're like firing something off while you're sitting in the tarmac.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you're waiting. Bing!
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  Speaker 2: She must have had a famous follower, at least one,
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  Speaker 2: that retweeted her or made a comment that crushed her.
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  Speaker 2: Had to have.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. And so, she becomes the number one
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  Speaker 1: trending topic. Celebrities were piling on. And a hashtag called
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  Speaker 1: Has Justin, Justine landed yet? Hashtag has Justine landed yet?
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  Speaker 2: So in her post, in her post, did she tell
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  Speaker 2: him she was getting ready to get on a plane
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  Speaker 2: and thought she would reshare an old tweet?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: But she had an hour.
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  Speaker 1: I read the post. I actually read the post a
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  Speaker 1: couple weeks ago, but I can't remember the details other
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  Speaker 1: than I know it was not a good one.
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  Speaker 2: So you're not going to share what she posted?
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to say it because I want to
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  Speaker 1: be exactly right.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't want to get his head pissed.
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  Speaker 1: Her hashtag has just landed yet. It's trending globally. And
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  Speaker 1: IAC had to issue a crisis statement. So the company
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  Speaker 1: she hasn't even started work for yet. They've hired her,
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  Speaker 1: but she hasn't showed up for her first day. It
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  Speaker 1: had to issue a crisis statement explaining that their own
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  Speaker 1: head of communication was unreachable on an airplane. Someone physically
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  Speaker 1: went to the Cape Town airport just to document the
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  Speaker 1: moment she landed. This is crazy. She was fired before
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  Speaker 1: the day was over. IAC condemned the tweet publicly, repeatedly
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  Speaker 1: in front of the entire internet. The head of communications
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  Speaker 1: became their biggest communications crisis. And the thing that still
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  Speaker 1: gets me is this was... All in her public feed.
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  Speaker 1: Not to her friends. Not hidden. Not private. That's a
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  Speaker 1: crazy thing about these social media people.
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  Speaker 2: Jamie, would a social media screen pick this up?
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  Speaker 4: If it was public, yep.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. So for years, a basic social media
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  Speaker 1: screen before she was ever hired would have found out
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  Speaker 1: this in minutes. Right? Right.
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  Speaker 2: So think about all the social media posts that you're
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  Speaker 2: doing as a teenager, as a young college student, getting
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  Speaker 2: ready to start your career and not realizing that a
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  Speaker 2: post from three or four years ago that was public
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  Speaker 2: is going to make a big difference in your next
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  Speaker 2: 10 to 15 years and what your dream job is.
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  Speaker 1: 50% of HR.
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  Speaker 1: Leaders and hiring managers admit to not hiring someone based
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  Speaker 1: on something they saw on their social media. Think about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. We have clients that do social media screening, but
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  Speaker 2: a lot of them think that they're detectives as well,
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  Speaker 2: and they'll go out and start looking on different popular
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  Speaker 2: social media websites, but nothing– That a deep dive on
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  Speaker 2: a social media screen will, of course, do because you
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  Speaker 2: just don't know.
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  Speaker 4: When you do it that way, too, that's hard not
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  Speaker 4: to have your own bias.
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  Speaker 1: You have to.
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  Speaker 4: So you just have to take that off the table.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's one of the cool things about
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  Speaker 1: social media screens is it's just the company sets policies,
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  Speaker 1: says this type, let's bring it in. And you don't
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  Speaker 1: have a rogue person has certain political beliefs, look at
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  Speaker 1: something and go, oh, I don't like that person.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They don't believe the same thing I do. So out.
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  Speaker 1: And so that runs prolific through, you know, an entire.
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  Speaker 2: For long. The entire organization is thinking like you do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Which is not always good.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's right. So, you know, have you have you
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'm blown away by how I don't remember.
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  Speaker 1: back in 2013, stuff happening. It certainly happens today. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I think there are more people wrecked and ruined off
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  Speaker 1: social media than way more than their background.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the political climate and everything else is so much more,
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  Speaker 2: you know, adversary today that people... What it used to be.
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  Speaker 2: What it used to be. So 2013, is that not
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  Speaker 2: about the time that MySpace was dying and Facebook was
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  Speaker 2: taking off and sort of handing over the reins and
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  Speaker 2: Twitter probably was still in its infinite stages.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the reality is people are more educated today
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  Speaker 3: on what to post and what not to post.
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  Speaker 4: But back then, you didn't know. You didn't think of, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to be online for the rest of my life.
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  Speaker 4: You don't think like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many instances today where people, like, it's
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  Speaker 1: brought up when they're 28 years old, something they put
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  Speaker 1: on social media when they were 16. And I'm like, bro,
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  Speaker 1: thank God. I didn't live back then because I was
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  Speaker 1: so wild and would have.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm glad I didn't have social media in college,
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  Speaker 3: high school. I'm glad I didn't have a cell phone either.
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  Speaker 2: Cell phone, cameras, everything in your pocket.
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  Speaker 1: So far deep in their feed, they haven't been back
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  Speaker 1: that deep in years.
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  Speaker 2: You're almost better off.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody, you know, got a little bit of success. You
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  Speaker 1: have a little, you make one person mad at work.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you create one enemy. In your life. And
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  Speaker 1: so they go down their deep dive. Yep. You know,
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  Speaker 1: and they're like, they're going to go and then they're
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  Speaker 1: going to expose something. And then they dig deeper and deeper.
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  Speaker 1: And more people start digging. You're just like, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Even if you're not, even if you're not public
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  Speaker 2: and you've befriended someone at work in your inner circle
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  Speaker 2: who now has a vendetta against you.
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  Speaker 4: That's not good either.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Who's going to take your tweet, take a picture of it,
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  Speaker 2: share it. You know, can't believe Ken said this five
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  Speaker 2: years ago. Look what he said. But it's not public.
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  Speaker 2: But now they've exposed you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because you thought they were a friend.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, even today when we do these and
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  Speaker 1: I do social media clips, I'm like, I've always got
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  Speaker 1: this kind of back filter on like.
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  Speaker 4: Should I post that?
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  Speaker 1: Should I not? There's been a couple of times where
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  Speaker 1: we posted something and. there was one time where we
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  Speaker 1: talked about a bad hire who went to work early
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  Speaker 1: on his first day at work and cut his thumb
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  Speaker 1: off before the, before his boss even got there. And so,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, you can find yourself making a
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  Speaker 1: lot of fun of that and it is kind of comical.
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  Speaker 2: But it's tragic too.
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  Speaker 1: It's tragic.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And it like the guy found him by following the
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  Speaker 1: blood down the road, the guy bicycled like 10 miles
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  Speaker 1: to the, to the hospital. And so I, You know,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: in the spirit of just kind of having fun, you know,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: is you just kind of, oh, yeah, it's fun. You know,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: you believe that you're walking around. And when I but
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: when I watched it, when we posted it, I was like, oh,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: that doesn't it just doesn't horrific. It doesn't feel good.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like I don't feel good.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: It's not the same story that was intended.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. It just didn't come across. You know, the
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: way we responded was in good, good fun. But I
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: thought about, like, if this guy watched that, he would
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: see us, and he might think we were making fun
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: of him.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: So this story is from 2013, right?
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: So for 13 years, this individual has had to live
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: with this nightmare that's still following her.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, we're telling her story today.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Talking about it publicly today, 13 years later.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Well, because she was in the news, and this is
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: a big story, so I.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Felt totally good with talking about it. Well, I have
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: one more question. Where's she at today?
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm going to look it up. It's
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: a good question.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: I'd be curious to... KJ, you want to look that up?
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: Let us know. Where are they now? She has a
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: better bad hire story now.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: She's improved her skills.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. All right. Jamie, what do you got?
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: You got one for us?
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sure. All right. Here's mine.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: In March 2021, the publisher behind Vogue, Vanity Fair, and
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: The New Yorker announced they'd hired Alexi McCannon as editor-in-chief
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: of Teen Vogue. She was 27... award-winning journalist, a rising star,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: and by every measure, the perfect hire. She had also
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: posted racist tweets back in 2011. So we're back in
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: that era, right?
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: 10 years earlier.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: She disclosed them during the interview. The publisher's own HR
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: department confirmed this publicly. They knew and they moved forward anyway.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: The announcement went out March 5th. Screenshots, you just mentioned screenshots.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Screenshots of her old tweets went viral almost immediately.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: She had an enemy. Somebody didn't get the job.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: That friend she made mad.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: 20 members of her own staff, people she hadn't even
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: met yet, publicly condemned the hire. Ulta Beauty paused a
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: seven-figure ad buy. Burt's Bees suspended their campaign.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: On March 18, 13 days after the announcement, Alexi resigned.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Before she started, before she published a single article, before
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: she even sat in the editor's chair. And this is
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: what gets me the most. The publisher knew about the
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: post Alexi told them about, but what they didn't find
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: were the homophobic slurs. The Halloween photo, the full pattern.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: She disclosed what she chose to disclose, and they.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Took her word for it. So, Knowing about the problem
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: and understanding the full scope of the problem are two
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: very different things.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: That's for real.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: What do we think of that one?
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. It's kind of like when someone
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: comes to work and they go, hey, you know, they always, hey,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: anything in your background?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, matter.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: But it's also.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Like when you're on the spot like that, you sometimes
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: are like, I don't know, like. I think I'm okay.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: But then you're like, I don't know what you're looking at.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Because you're like wondering if they're going to find it
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: or not. Like, is this too old? They won't find it? Or,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: you know, do you remember the Flying Biscuit story? It's
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: a restaurant called the Flying Biscuit.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Flying Biscuit.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The manager, the two owners.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Didn't write a background check or something.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Hire some guy to come in and do dishes
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: and do that kind of back of the house stuff. And,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: you know, they ask him, you ever... You know, you
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: ever been arrested? Oh, yeah. You know, it's just a
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: little minor thing on some checks is, you know, so.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: He didn't lie. He just did tell the whole truth. Yeah,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: he did.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: That's right. He disclosed he did have run-in with the law.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: It's just his run-in was armed robbery.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: And.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: I forgot.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: It's a fraudulent check.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, same thing as writing a bad check. I mean,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: he made it out like, oh, yeah. No big deal.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: It's a bad check. You know?
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, man. I just, you know, I was in between jobs.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: And so that's the reason I really need this job.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: So anyway, they come to him and they find on
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: like his seventh day of work, the nine-month, eight-month-old pregnant
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: manager's in there. When she opens the safe, he walks
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: up behind her and stabs her 15, 20 times, drags
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: her body outside and throws her in the dumpster, behind
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the dumpster. Right? And it's exactly like that. It's like
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: asking and then they go, oh, yeah. You know, and
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: you don't actually check. So he admitted to something. You're like, oh, OK. Yeah. No,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: you deserve a second chance. And then you don't find out.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: That wasn't the whole story. And that's probably it's kind
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: of like this is she went in there and said.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: And the fact that someone's willing to die from it. But,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: you know, bees, birds, bees, you know, others. Pull their accounts.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, you got 20 people revolting. You've absolutely disrupted
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: your culture because they're going to find out that you
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: knew or you were told and that you did it anyway.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: You know, the repercussions of that social media, their social
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: media posts are crazy. And people should they should do
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: these social media checks.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Again, they're public posts.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Public.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. This isn't behind a this is behind their firewall
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: of their friends. Now, you know, it's kind of crazy.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: What do you got?
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Do you see a lot of PR organizations running social
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: media screens these days?
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: And social media influencers.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Social media influencers.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: In today's world, right, everybody's used to, back in the day,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: print ads and different ways to do marketing and advertising.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: But lots of companies now hire influencers to promote their brand.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: We better do a social media check on that influencer because,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: God forbid, they're promoting your brand. But maybe on their
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: social media, they're promoting your competitor.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Not a good thing.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't even think about that.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: But they're independent contractors, so you.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: They're still your brand face. Right. Can you imagine what
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: happens when one of them hits? Like, oh, they're doing great. Like,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: they're killing it. They're, like, getting lots of clicks and
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: views for you. So it's like, oh, no.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Until you find out they're on the Epstein list.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then you're like.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: You go the opposite direction.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Now we've spent all this time and
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: money on this person.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: They had a contestant that they found out was doing
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: the racial social media post.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Got pulled right away.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: We just did a social media reaction videos last week
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and it was all about the girl on The Bachelor,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: The Bachelorette, who, you know, I think you're aware of
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: the story, but it is, you know, they found out
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: she was serious domestic violence. Oh, yeah. Like assault and battery.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: She had already been arrested. She had already had it
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: accused of her one time and then You know, she's
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: taking her current boyfriend. She's, you know, and she's.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Well, they already had that whole show fully filmed, right?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: They were like three quarters of the way through. They
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: probably had 70 million in it. I read they probably
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: had 50 to 70 million of capital expenditure.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: And I think about all the people that were on
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: the show.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: All those people quit their jobs to go on there
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: because it's a chance to be famous. And, you know,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: everyone's left holding the bag. Nobody's going to get any residuals.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: You know, you got, you got. AME or somebody, whoever
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: it was, is expecting 12 or 14 episodes, whatever the
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: number is. They're not getting their product. You know, they're
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: going to sue for what they would have made in
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the advertising. It's a mess.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: That's why I always say people.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: ABC had to have known. Yeah.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: But everybody goes into reactive mode. It just would have
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: been proactive from the beginning.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I could see, you know, same thing happen
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: probably even more often.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you that I remember, and this is
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: going to date me a little bit, but I remember
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: the first year that The Bachelor came out, when they
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: first created The Bachelor. And they went with the first season.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I think I was a baby at that time.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Well, probably.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: You've been around a long time.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: But on the second season, they had such a hard
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: time staffing it during the first season that, They ran
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: all these different sexually transmitted disease profiles on all these
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: contestants that were trying to get on the show. And
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: one of the producers called and said, hey, here's three
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: candidates that we need you to overlook their test results on.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: And because we really need these three out of the,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: you know, these three girls out of 20 to get
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: on the show.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: It helps ratings. It helps ratings.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: And so the producer said, was pressuring us to overlook
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: these results. And we wouldn't budge. And so they went
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: to another provider.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, you lost the business? Oh, we lost the deal
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: because we wouldn't... Oh, I didn't realize you were the vendor.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, we were the vendor that was handling all the.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Wow, you were the vendor of the Bachelorette.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Not of background checks, but of their health assessments.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Some health assessments. Yep.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Believe it or not. So they would run... I mean,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: they would run these folks through urinalysis, blood samples, run
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: all these different profiles on it. We would have our
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: doctors review the stuff.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: So understanding how deep they're looking, there's no way they
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: didn't know the background of that girl. They clearly knew
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: the background of that girl. Yeah, they just made up
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: their mind, as always, that that was going to be
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: more powerful. All right, so Randall, what do you got?
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: All right, so.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Outback Steakhouse. So in February, yeah, this is not a
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: commercial for Outback Steakhouse, by the way.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: They have good loaded fries, though.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Yep, they do.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Bloomin' Onion, right?
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Bloomin' Onion. So in February of 2018, a server
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: is working at Outback Steakhouse in Florida. It's a Wednesday morning,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: and a local megachurch calls in a massive takeout order.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: 25 steaks, 25 chicken, 25 orders of potatoes, and the
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: bill comes out to $ 735. 00. The server spends most of
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: her shift putting this order together. When the volunteer from
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the church shows up to grab the food, she loads
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: it all in the car. No tip. Here comes the
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: social media post. So she goes home that night and
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: posts about it on Facebook. She's mad. She's upset.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Venning that she only made $ 18 in tips the entire day.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: $ 18. That's what I feel bad for.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, this is 2018. $ 18, that's a hard day's
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: labor for $ 18. So she made $ 18 in tips for
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: the entire day because that one order had taken her
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: most of her shift to get prepared and out the door.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: A friend of hers sees the post. Okay, here's the friend.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Steps in and calls the church directly to complain. So
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: no one at the church seen the post. A friend
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: helped promote the post.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: And then announces, I saw this on social media.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: I saw this and you were to be ashamed. The
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: church responds by saying their volunteers simply hadn't known that
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: it was customary to tip on large takeout orders and
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: that they tried to contact the restaurant to get a
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: tip to the server after the fact. Okay. So they
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: were trying to do right. They were trying to do right.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: They were going to tip after the fact. But Apparently,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: the social media post went out first.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I can see someone who's never ordered $ 750 worth of food.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Or they aren't the ones that paid the bill, so maybe.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: It was already taken care of.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a pickup. I'm just the runner picking this
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: stuff up.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: 18%, 20% on a $ 735 order. You know, I'm just
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: a volunteer. I can't tip you $ 100. That's not my
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: $ 100 to tip. But anyway, so she shows up for
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: work the next day, and her manager tells her she's
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: fired for posting about a customer on social media because
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: it's against company policy. Oh, and the church got a
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: full $ 735 refund for that order. So to recap, she
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: worked most of her shift preparing a $ 735 order, made
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: $ 18 for the entire day, and got fired for talking
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: about it, and the church got their money back. So really,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: she's the big loser of the day. because social media
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: calls for her job.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: Because her friend calls for her job. Let's be honest.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because of her friend.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: That friend got me.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: That friend should get fired.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: So hopefully that friend has a job opening for her somewhere.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I was like thinking about Outback's move. Right.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: And they had to assess that. They had to assess that.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: The move of the of complaining about a tip was
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: worse for their brand. You know, then certainly the corporation
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: can't jump on and be like, yeah, you didn't tip us.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: And perhaps they knew the whole story.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: That the church had called and was trying to figure
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: out a way to tip. And, you know, maybe they
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: knew the whole story and the girl just didn't. So
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: she just, you know, shot off without really knowing.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Or she was venting, didn't call out the church directly.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Her friend knew who the church was. Her friend knew
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: she weren't an outback. You know, it's one of those
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: context things that you want to read the post. Did she?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: You know, hashtag Outback Steakhouse. Does she hashtag and call
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: out the church in her post? There's a lot of
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: variables there that could be challenged.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: There is so much that an employee can destroy with
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: a social media post.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: I mean— But to her defense, does she know what
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Outback's social media policy was?
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: She may not.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Probably not.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: So in her mind, she might have just been mentioning, like,
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: I worked all day.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Which is great.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: I just wanted a couple dollars. I didn't get it.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: That's a great idea.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: And then for Outback to come back and say, well,
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: we fired her because you're not allowed.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: To do that.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Well, did she know that?
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I don't even know if my employees here know the
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: social media policy.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was actually just thinking.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Better get on it.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that. We should do some research and
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: develop some. Share it with our customers. Like, if you
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: don't have one, here's a way to use this document
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: to kind of choose.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: We probably have one. If I know our loggers, we
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: have one. It's just, do we know it? And does
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: our staff know it? That's probably a different one. But,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like your handbook. It's a 50-page handbook,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: employee handbook. I don't know everything in there.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Well, employees are an extension of your brand.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: They are.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: It is HR's role to, if you have a policy,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: which I encourage everyone to have a policy, to make sure.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: They know it.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. My thing on the social media screening, I think
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the position I've taken is as B-Checks, you know, starts
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: to expand its really kind of awareness campaign on social
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: media screening and what it can do and all that,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: is like encouraging people. If you feel like you can't
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: do this all the way down to every employee, then,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: you know, at least start. Somewhere like, you know, people
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: who have big brand awareness or have forward facing, you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: would be a credibility voice for your brand, you know, principals,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: you know, superintendents. Directors of PR. Yeah.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I think we've talked about a couple of them today, right?
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Because, you know, they're going to go, hey, this.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: So-and-so, the director of this, that, or the other.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Your director level should know, but a server at Outback
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: is probably not going to be as aware of the
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: social media posts. But then again, she may not be
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: out there posting about Outback or about the megachurch. I'm
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: just saying that's a proper way to start in their
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: social media. Yes, without a doubt.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: And then my feeling is after they see You know,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: after you've done 50, 60, you'll probably be like, oh.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: We probably should do this on everyone.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: We probably should do this a little deeper. Because I
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: bet that 25-year-old we had probably has worse social media
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: than that other person we just did. You know, because.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Probably the younger generation has. Yeah, the younger generation has
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: a worse social media history than the older population.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Well, they live on it.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they live on it.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: They're also their daily news source.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Facebook was a novelty. Yeah, Facebook was a novelty. You
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: put pictures of your kids.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: All of our stuff got archived when MySpace went down.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, my kids tell me that Facebook now is for
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: the old people.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, what?
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: I still post pictures. Only old people look at Facebook.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Think about all the people who had all their records
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: archived when MySpace shut down.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: That's one way.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, gosh.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: I never had a MySpace page. I'm okay with that.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: You know, that's got to be the 90s.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: That's got to be the late 90s, right? Early 2000s.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think if I had a MySpace.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: That's when the internet, I think, first come out.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: But I don't... I was in college in the 90s,
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: so people were making MySpace pages.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: They were?
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so I was going to say 90s.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's also when you put the disk in
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: for AOL and you, you know, dial it up.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: People don't know what that is today.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: We might want to change the subject because we're all
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: aging ourselves. So, um, you gotta be careful here.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I loved it. This is, this was great. Those are, uh,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: really good, um, social media stories. And, and, you know,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: my advice to you is, you know, explore social media screen.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe, maybe if now's not the right time,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: you do it later and figure it out.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Um, Before it's too late.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Because, you know, when we did research for the show,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: the stories were not hard to find. I mean, it
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: was like an immediate, like, holy cow.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Just type in social media catastrophes.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right. And it's just, wow. And you're like,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: you know, it's pretty unreal. And so, you know, if
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: you're not doing them, you know, find one. Run run them.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I'm sure someone will let you have them for free
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Randall probably let you have You know a couple samples
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: and let you run it on people I know that
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: we did that one time on somebody used to work
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: For us and we.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: We had a pretty good idea of what we were
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: gonna find and we sure.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: And I've we found it so yeah, I mean if Yeah.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Good thing. They were prior employees.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, I said so but you know that would have uh,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: you know, knowing that now, you know, is you should
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: go out and get one and test it, review it,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: look at the results, you know, have some policy discussions
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and see if you can figure out how to use it.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: You know, um, I think they're, I think they're a
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: great investigative tool and I'm totally completely surprised at the
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: number of people who will post publicly, um, you know,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the worst things ever, you know? And so anyway. Hey,
• 36:46
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• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Bad Hire. We appreciate you listening to us. I enjoyed today.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: It was kind of cool having a theme about social media.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: I appreciate the invite. Yeah, glad you're here.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Super fun.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Thanks for coming. Of course. Yeah, you came a long way,
• 37:02
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• 37:03
  Speaker 4: I'll come back down, maybe next year.
• 37:05
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